I was seriously interested in both jacket and pants. But ordering from Sweden would set me back an ADDITIONAL $500 in various fees! 😳😱 So…. Back to local stores then…
I have the ARC battle born, used it a lot, velcro on neck wore out, still have it. Then moved to KLIM Dakar, love it but using light weight rain gear over it when needed. I just used your link and ordered MSR explorer jacket, pants, base layers. Thanks
Hi Dork, thanks for the review and sharing your opinion with us! I really appreciate the POV from a larger person like myself. How does this compare to Alpinestars Halo jacket? I believe you had that as well in a past video?
I just received my MSR jacket and pants and immediately did the snow angel test. Dork is true to his word. Thank you sir. I bought these solely on your recommendation alone without any other research. After this you have my complete devotion. All hail the great internet riding buddy. 😂😂
After much research and finding your video, I bought the MSR ADV set. Just did the first 1200 mile ride with it, and while I'm too busy to do a reply video to your review right now, here are my comments: 1. Overall VERY satisfied with performance and build quality and water-resistance (but we only had one day of rain). 2. While the built-in CamelBak pouch is one of my favorite features, the loop on the front right chest only is limiting - I really prefer my drink tube on the left chest. 3. The forearm zippers/vents with their associated internal waterproof structure REALLY dig into my inner elbows when my arms are bent for things like fastening my helmet strap, to the point of bruises. NOT AT ALL a problem while in a riding posture - only when bending my arms tighter than about 90 degrees. 4. Definitely buying some clip-on suspenders. The lack of a rear jacket-to-pants zipper is a downside, and only when tightening the pants beyond the point of comfort would they stay up when not on the bike. Again, no issue when riding my DL650 V-Strom; only an issue when off the bike. 5. Pocket options are kind of limited, but I'm used to the one-piece Aerostich suit I've had since the early 2000s. 6. Jacket vents are surprisingly effective (so long as you open the shoulderblade vents as well). Pant vents do a little, but not as much as I wanted. I would prefer some outside calf vents that allow air in and up across the groin. Many thanks for your detailed review, and judging from the comments on MSR's site, a lot of us found your review pivotal to our purchase decision. EDIT/Addendum: Other comments have mentioned how the left sleeve change/ID pocket was on the original Aerostich - they're right, and it's a GREAT feature. I still use the Velcro clear map pocket for the left sleeve on my Aerostich, and want to figure out how to add that to the MSR.
Your comments about the Pant's venting is exactly what I suspected...I have been very much wanting to buy the pants, but the venting scheme seems inadequate/ineffective especially because the ones that the pant does have do not appear to stay open for effective in/outflow.
EDIT: After some consideration I decided to take advantage of RMATV’s size exchange and to my benefit it looks like the large size jacket will be a good fit for me after all. Indeed I’ll ave the waist adjusters taken all the way in, and I’ll have room for a pressure suit and/or some layers. I’m looking forward to putting some miles on! I already see a few modifications to make to help ventilation in the hot times. As for the elbows: having the longer sleeves did help a bit, and having any kind of long sleeve shirt under the jacket helps a lot. Dang I was excited about this suit, but it just arrived and unfortunately for me it is a no-go. I'm 6'2" and 180 lbs, (so tall-ish and thin), and the reports that the MSR is more "American" cut while the Klim is more "Euro" cut seems to be true. The jacket: The Klim medium size jackets fit me like a glove with perfect sleeve length and a trim-yet-comfy fit, and the MSR medium only sits right around the middle with the waist adjusters tightened while the sleeves are significantly too short in the medium. If I moved up to a large I'm sure I'd be swimming in the torso area, and would provably even need the XL size to get the sleeve length right which I would DEFINITELY be lost inside. If it existed a Medium-TALL jacket might work better, but sadly it does not. So for you thicker dudes the MSR might indeed be a winner, but for me I'll have to keep searching for a budget-friendly new suit. Also: the elbow bend issue many have noticed on the MSR: it is AWFUL! From the reviews I was like "how bad can it really be?", but it is actually painful to wear, and would be annoying as hell and very distracting on the bike. And I AM willing to sacrifice some comfort for good protection, but this level of discomfort would be a potential hazard. The wrist zipper and superfabric and elbow armor adjuster all come together right on top where the elbow bends and I almost couldn't wait to get the jacket off. If the sleeve length was correct on me this issue might be lessened (because that area might be moved down the forearm and inch or two), FWIW... I got the MSR 34 TALL pants and the fit was pretty good, length was good, a little bit longer than jeans (normally I wear 33W34L pants/jeans). They also felt pretty baggy so the armor would likely swim around, but again: for you thicker dudes it might work out great. I hadn't seen anyone talking about it from a tall/thin guy perspective, so here it is. Thanks for the review Dork! I really wanted this suit to work, darn.
Appreciate the openness of what they give you and what they pay or don't pay you. Sucks to find out someone got paid to push something and they when the deal runs out they don't use the product any more. I really feel like you are being as honest as you can be with us and it's appreciated. Definitely looks like good quality gear.
I've owned an MSR Explorer jacket (when it was Malcolm Smith Racing) for around five years and couldn't agree more with your assessment of the quality and the comfort this jacket provides. The D3O armor and rugged fabrics give me a sense of security I don't have with other jackets. It is heavy though (6.8 lbs.) and I don't like bothering with with the numerous vents to optimize temperature control so, on warmer days, I will usually chose to wear my FirstGear TPG Technical jacket which (4.4 lbs.) also has D3O armor and an added benefit of High Viz green color.
I saw an ad for this gear the other day and was wondering about it(I need new pants) . I'm buying the pants because of this video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the honest review Dork in the Road ....the lack of zipper attachment between jacket and pant on the MSR is the deal breaker....looking at the REV'IT! Sand 4 H2O Jacket and pants...a bit more spendy but looks like a better design...
Awesome video. I just bought the Klim Dakar jacket today for summer riding and I love it so far, but I wasn't looking forward to the winter gear price tag. This is probably what I'll be going for because of this review. Also, I met you at Rays in Sisters a few months ago. 😆 Glad you made it home safe brother!
That ID pocket on the left arm was stolen from AeroStitch originally so I guess it’s fair game these days. Thanks for an in-depth look at the MSR gear. 👍 I’m still planning to buy it through your link. I’m trying to drop some weight before making the purchase. Made a few lifestyle changes after retiring.
Thanks so much for your review. I’m in Florida and looking for something that’ll work for all our seasons here. That means the rainy season is also 90+ degrees so if it doesn’t breathe I’m still soaking wet but not from the rain.
Welp, I completed the PA Wilds BDR-x. Wore the ADV jacket and gloves, both performed as I hoped. The jacket is wonderful, rode in torrential rain and snow, and I didn’t get wet, although the button pockets on the side will get wet eventually. I laid the bike down twice, no tears or damage to the jacket. I’m very happy with the jacket. The gloves are phenomenal for the price point. If you can find a better value for $50, please send me a link, as I’ll buy those gloves too. I took a pair of the adv gloves and my pair of KLim Klimate gloves and the tips of my fingers got cold after two hours of riding in the low 40’s with intermittent rain while wearing the Klim gloves. The Klim gloves were $100 and didn’t do as well as I was hoping. My only complaint with the MSR gloves, is getting them on if your hands are sweaty. The liners in the fingers tend to bunch up so you have to pull each individual finger up when taking them off if you want to get them back on your hands quickly. Very happy with the MSR gear.
I purchased this kit based on your snow ride review with your link. I am in agreement that this kit is great. Really great. I also agree on the not so good points. The for arm vent zipper is too long it digs into the bend of my arm. The neck opening, designed for a gorilla neck. I’ll call have to wear a gater to fill in the gap on the cold days here in lane county. I got the size I usually wear (32) in the pants and large in jacket. I need to send them back for larger because in the winter I wear a base layer to stay warm. Too tight of a fit. Also I wish RM would have designed in a more roomy seat. I’m a thin guy and the back of the pants pull way down when I’m sitting. But, all that said I can’t wait to get it back in a larger size. Its great stuff.
So freaking awesome your reviews are so good very well thought out and makes folks like myself who are bigger inspired 👍I'd like to see the side by side compared. Thanks again brother 👊 keep up the great work
Thanks Dork for this review. I’ve done my research and this jacket looks legit. I ordered one just a few days ago from RMADV can’t wait till it gets here.
Lets be real, we all layer now. It's the way to go. I have been looking for a great outer 'shell' for relatively reasonable money. Most of the big brands are out due to money and a bunch of stuff I don't need, want. I don't want a thermal layer, I've got 5 of them. I don't want a rain liner...got a few of those too now. I don't need more armor...I've got a few sets sitting on my shelf. I DO need a solid, well made and durable outer shell for my adventure riding I plan to do early 2025. this might be the gear.
Just bought the jacket and I love it. I’m coming from Olympia gear and this gear fits me better. The KLIM and Olympia gear did not fit my short fat neck. The tall collars rub on the bottom of my helmet restricting movement. After watching your first video and your answer to my question I pulled the trigger. Glad I did it is great. Thanks Ben for the gear reviews. I feel your opinion is spot on.
@@scottfhscottfh I am 5' 10" 210 lbs. I have a 47" chest. My Olympia Ranger jacket is an XL and a little tight in the mid section. I have a some gut but not huge. The XL MSR has more room in the mid section and a little more in the chest. I was able to add a couple of layers under the jacket this weekend on my ride to Joshua Tree. My Olympia is to tight for anything more than a thin fleece under layer. Hope that helps
I actually like that when RMATV acquires a company, they keep the name. I like Tusk and MSR. I think it would be cheesy if they just lapped Rocky Mountain ATV on all the gear.
Tempting but I think I'll wait it out for a version 2. Needs jacket and pants connection Needs some internal elastic straps from bottom of hydration pocket to over the shoulders like a backpack strap to support the pocket. With a full bladder in there the weight pulls the jacket back and down exposing the neck, I do want the pocket to remain external. Also and this goes for all adv wear manufacturers, adv riders aren't wearing motocross neck protection stop making these open neck jackets. I want a higher closer fitting collar. Do these have suspender buttons? They should. The lack of wind protection should be addressed, you can't be 4 season jacket if 3 of 4 seasons you will be cold, even with a midlayer. There are vents for a reason in warmer times. More and better pockets, another pocket on upper right chest, and some nice napoleon pockets just inside. Love the price,love the colorways add a sage brown/green tooplz, and love the style, reminds me of klims original adventure rally jacket.
I swear by a light wool outdoors shirt for my mid layer. The kind you get from say Fillson, Pendelton or another 100% wool woven or felted shirt. It breaths & is warm as long as you have a solid wind break. Sometimes the wind can cut through the zipper if you don't have good mid line coverage. On that note I really want a good off centerline riding jacket. Like the OG bomber style leather jacket or the newer Captain America offset jacket where the zipper or w/e closure is on one side of the chest.
The gear looks good. But not sure you can compare this to what the battleborn was. I paid $185 for my battleborn jacket, and over 4 years later, it's still holding up perfectly - I like it even more than another Klim jacket I have. I don't think you can ask people trying out the sport, or just getting started to shell out $400 on a jacket. It's probably a great jacket for the price, and likely much better than the arc, it just doesn't represent the same value
I have the Klim Badlands Pro jacket and pants set, 2019 vintage. Three years in that gear, but I can ONLY wear it in cool / cold weather. It is just WAY too hot for the summer here in South Carolina. I just came across this video… now I have MSR in my sights. How is this in warm weather? I was THIS close to buying the new Klim S4 Baja set, but this now has my attention.
Thanks Dork, just added everything to my cart via your links, gonna go try on a klim jacket to make sure I have the right size. Hope to ride with you some time, I’m just north of you in woodland ,Wa
Just bought a pair of pants only. Considering returning them without riding in them because of the gusseted fly. To take a pee one would have to undo the buckle, unzip the fly, then pull the pant down four to five inches to relieve yourself. Frankly, the function of the gusset escapes me. In rain it would collect water because the gusset forms a pocket inside the zipper. Thinking about having the pant altered by cutting the gusset then hemming the edges to keep the cut from fraying.
Well, I'm sold. Once the snow melts I'll be getting a set of these. I'm really digging the blue and orange, that orange really pops without looking silly.
Howdy from Texas! New gsa in July. No real gear yet. Hard to spend for the Carlsbad which is my choice. If Rocky Mountain is comparable I'm there ! Please do another video ! Thank you
Just picked up the Sedici Avventura jacket and pants for my first adv set. So far I'm very happy with them both and they're very reasonable. So far I'm happy I went with one the cheaper options. Keep up the great work.
@@DorkintheRoad I haven't ridden in much rain yet and I try to avoid it but I have a separate rain suit for it that works very well. I didn't plan on relying on this suit solely.
I am pretty sure that is the jacket I have as well and I am very happy with it so far. I have not been caught in a torrential downpour yet, I do have rain gear as well. The Sedici isn't Gortex etc. Price reflects that.
Great review my friend. Through the years I have done the hodge-podge accumulating good gear that worked for me at budget prices due to circumstance.I have been riding back country for a tad over 50 years now- back when work boots/helmet/leather jacket and gloves was what there was unless racing. Through the years I have tried and added nearly every brand of something to my riding. I do not have Klim only because of the expense AND I have found hot/wet/cold gear that piece for piece and what I do to it (silicon spray, etc) that I have a large closet of specific gear for summer/WET/winter riding and other for nicer days/more road trip stuff/ride-hike-walk days, etc. It CAN mean from Bilt gloves, Leatt or LS2 helmet, EVS protective gear,Alpine Stars, TCX or Fly boots. And quite a few others. I got them on sale after checking reviews so was able to get pretty darn good gear for riding back in the mountains as a BDR Ambassador and a gear sponsored rider for EVS Sports protective gear with a wide range of gear yet always really good protection no matter the price point. I was a cop, raised five kids and still rode. That did not leave much money for gear but it IS available- maybe last years model- but it works. There is nothing wrong with getting what you can afford but should never feel like decent equipment is not out there at decent prices to put into gas and your trip.
OK, just received a set of gear , here's MY first impressions on FIT only, (have not used it on a ride yet): I'm 5"11 or so, and 245 lbs , maybe 47/48 size in chest Typical motorcycle gear I would need to get an XXL or higher in order to fit me (think RevIt brand) , the XL jacket size is a PERFECT fit for me. Also, I would wear a pant size typically of 38/40 length x 30 inseam.. the size 38 MSR pant fits VERY well, and i swear feels almost tailored to fit me . Both still fit with base and midlayers underneath. The pants I could see getting a bit too tight IF i put on a few extra lbs, but the range of motion on these things is EXCELLENT! I do feel that tightness in the elbows a bit, BUT its not that noticeable for me, and honestly, if someone else hadn't pointed it out, i might not have even noticed it.. The material feels very tough, and that superfabric feels bulletproof... Those are my initial impressions on fit ONLY, not usage.. They seem like gear that will last me a LONG time, BUT time will tell The one question I have regarding the eVent fabric, is they say to 'wash it often' .. what is often? once a month, after every ride, twice a year? I'd be curious to find that out , otherwise by far, hands down, the burliest riding gear I've ever owned..
The wife got me a set in grey for my BDay and this stuff is awesome! I wouldn't be surprised if the price increases in the future. I found the sizing to be right on point. I saw a few loose stands but nothing excessive at all. I would like to see an option to zip the jacket to pants but no big deal. There is a bit of a pinch on the crease of the arm but PLEASE dont let that stop you because this is EXCELLENT gear for the price and even if it were more expensive!
I just bought a set of MSR Xplorer (after watching this video.) I got the pants first and went for a wet ride yesterday. I stayed completely dry and was warm throughout the ride. There are no problems there, but my left pant cuff kept getting caught on my foot peg as I put my foot down. The pant cuff was zipped entirely and snapped to the tightest position. I'm not sure if it was because the outer layer was wet, causing the material to become more pliable, or maybe it just doesn't fit well. If it continues, I may add a cycling velcro pant cuff to prevent this from happening again. I was using a borrowed Klim ADV Badlands Rally jacket, so I'm curious how my ordered MSR will compare at a quarter of the price.
@@onemileattatime2642 I absolutely love my MSR gear! I'm currently on a 600 mile ride, and have had everything hit me, rain, hail, high winds and severe cold. This gear has conquered them all! Highly recommend!
@bryandees8242 how are they in warmer weather? I know mesh is the way for heat, but can you say if the jacket and/or pants flow decently with the vents? I was wondering of the vents wouldn't stay open sufficiently without a clasp to flow air.
@@onemileattatime2642 with the exception of the rain and hail storm, I've been in 80-90F weather riding up central Washington into Osoyoos, B.C. so long as all vents are open, I'm okay. As soon as you stop though, you'll warm up fast. I widen my knees while riding which allows for maximum air flow through the thigh vents in the pants which work pretty well. I might break down and buy a Revit air mesh for the hotter season. It works though.
Would love to see a comparison between this and the Klim Carlsbad. What's the weight comparison between the Klim Carlsbad and the MSR Xplorer Jacket. Also sounds like Mosko Moto IR Jacket that would be coming out in the future.
I completely agree about all the zip in liner options. I've purchased so many jackets and pants and I immediately remove all the liners and stow them in the closet never to be used. What a wSte
Appreciate the review & comparison! I've come from my sport oriented riding with my gear choices in the past but now getting further into dual sport & sport touring. These may very well be my next gear purchases.
Thanks for a thorough and honest review - typical of the Dork! If you do cut that gusset out, be sure and remove the garment beforehand. It probably says that on one of the long silken white lables sewn inside the waist band.
Would be interested to know what temperature range this gear would be good for in your opinion? I live in Southern Georgia so I'm more interested in cooling rather than insulating.
This looks great! I talked myself into a Knox Urbane Pro mesh motorcycle shirt recently. I loved the idea of the protective garment as the base layer with the armor worn over a thin polyester shirt and any insulation or waterproofing layered over that. Knox is a European brand and I'm an American so I bought a much larger size than the fit chart stated, to make sure it wasn't too small. It was too small. I have long but thin arms, and it was like a straight jacket. I had to fight a claustrophobic feeling as I tried to remove the jacket and the sleeves constricted on my arms like Chinese finger cuffs. The return shipping to the Netherlands was $65, which is a lot to pay to try on a jacket that I ultimately didn't want, so I appreciate Rocky Mountain offering one free return shipping on clothing purchases. When considering the weight, remember that the jacket and pants are waterproof so you don't need the weight or bulk of packing a rain suit. I like the added breathability compared to Gore-Tex. I mostly ride in warm weather where breathability is a good thing (in addition to the large vents) and I can wear a very thin windproof shell under the jacket if I want to be warmer... or I can wear my ultralight heated vest under the jacket.
I'm European, I take a large in Klim or xl in most Alpinestar or Revitt kit, but had to go XXL in the Urbane at 6 foot tall and 200 lbs [ get me doing US measurements] with a broad back 46" chest and a 34" waist so a pretty odd shape. I like the Urbane but even in xxl it kind of still digs into my back.
@@TheIdlesurfer - I loved the concept of the Knox Urbane Pro. Too bad it didn't work for me. Maybe if someone made the same tight fitting garment with sleeve zips as well as a front zip so it's loose when putting it on and taking it off. It's odd that there is American and European sizing. There's no significant genetic difference. Americans are just a lot fatter based on our bad lifestyle choices. That's embarrassing.
They almost knocked it out of the park with this gear. It's a shame they didn't go level 2 with the armor and at least include pockets for chest Armor. So it's more of a really good shell to pair with an armored level 2 shirt.
Badass. Thanks for the review, I’ll be looking into this for my next set! I’m based in Baker City and ride the same places you so pretty often so it’s a very valid review for me!
@dorkintheroad : You said the i.d. pocket was stolen directly from Kilm; my first actual motorcycle jacket had that. 1st Gear (Hein Gericke) Stealth fighter in 1997. So yeah thats not Klim's I.P. And i seriously don't understand why all, or at least most Moto jackets have those. So useful. The MSR sounds like a great deal, its really too bad because I finally saved up and bought my first expensive all weather jacket, Rev'it Sand 4 last Christmas. It's a solid jacket, and i like it, but that looks like better jacket in the same price range, for a bit more you have a whole suit. Ah well. Good review tho, i'll have to catch more of your gear reviews (been watching your KLR vids so far)
Timely review for me. I am actively looking at waterproof gear for my Alaska trip this summer. I currently have Tourmaster trek alpine gear, it’s nice but not waterproof. They do have a WP suit that is comparable in price to this MSR gear. I will check it out.
Nice review, the MSR stuff looks like some good riding gear. its nice to know the sizes fit normal, since some other brands set all of their sizes to only fit "lighter" riders. I have the Alpinestar Andes v3 jacket, for the price it is great for commuting and adventuring. now i need a good pair of pants to go with it.
I wish they would restock soon on sizes for thicc bois like me. Looking for my first set of ADV riding gear after 10 years of riding and this seems to really be the best bang for the buck outside of buying used gear on ADV Riders Flea Market
Nice vid and review. Great to see good pricing for good gear. Heading to Baja soon??? I’m heading there on a ride beginning March 4th with MotoQuest. Maybe I’ll see you on the road :)
3do level 1 is one big difference to mention one, klim is level 2 for the real deal.? Which you should always pick (higher level is better protection) and that will cost extra money
You didn't describe the pocket layout for the pants. Do they have regular hip-style pockets, or just those doofus thigh pockets like a Carlsbad? Those pockets were deal breakers for me, so I went with Latitude pants to pair with my Carlsbad jacket.
I just got my jacket yesterday and the sizing is great except for the arms as you mentioned. I have big arms and is pretty snug but I hope it will just wear in.
I ended up buying Sedici. The jacket and pants kept me dry on an unexpected down pour. it is less expensive than the gear you mentioned. The one problem is the sleeves are a bit short, for me, and I had to get gauntlet gloves.
i dont know why i watched this ( I was looking at a dual sport DRZ before the chopper bug hit so uncle Al Gorithm probably suggested it ) however your review was excellent for this.I dont need it at all but your enthusiasm for the gear makes me want some and I like to ride harleys to bars! Thumbs up. If I ever get a DRZ I will look into this stuff if they sell them in aus. Good review
CE level 1? I don't understand why they went all in on a hardcore jacket with superfabric but then choose the lesser protection of CE rated level one. Am I missing something here? Otherwise, solid offering
@@DorkintheRoad upgrading the elbows and shoulders from level 1 to 2 would add 20$ to the price. Not insignificant, but considering that its the most important aspect of impact protection, I'm surprised they did not went with CE Level 2, at least on shoulders and elbows 🤷♂️ Apart from that, once again, Im impressed. CE level 2 in shoulders and elbows would've made this suit a homerun in my book
I have the Carlsbad now, and would love to see a direct comparison. I bought my Carlsbad intentionally a little too big, be cause I wanted lots of room for layers underneath, so I am tempted to get a second jacket a size smaller for the summer months.
I kind of feel like it's a miss that the jacket and pants don't zip together. Since they don't, isn't there significant risk that the jacket rides up or the pants pull down if you go for a slide/tumble after a wreck? Or is that a silly thought?
Excellent review as always! People should not underestimate the mid-tier (or even budget) options when it comes to apparel. It's often surprisingly good (just stick to reputable MFR's, obviously-fake gear is no bueno). I've been rocking a (relatively) cheap Sedici suit (CycleGear house brand) for the last three years and it's served me quite well in the mild-to-hot climates where I ride. I originally bought it as an emergency stopgap when the main zipper on my Aerostich broke right before a trip, but ended up liking it so much that it's become my primary suit. However, it's starting to show some wear and I'm planning a weeklong ride in Iceland. So I think it's time to upgrade to something more capable (especially more waterproof). I really didn't feel like spending a grand or more on Klim or Rev'It-good to know there is an option that basically splits the difference in price between those and what I have now, but is closer to the "top-drawer" stuff in quality! I agree that the lack of a connecting zipper is a bummer, and potentially a small hit to safety as well. Isn't the main purpose of that to prevent the jacket from riding up if you end up sliding feet-first on your back? I'm sure I've been told that...
Decent looking gear, I wonder how much difference their is in CE level 1 protection in the MSR vs the level 2 in Klim as far as real world crash protection I dont think I have had anything with the level 1 protection but I can say the level 2 is pretty solid
riding on rocks offroad here in CO you take out the jacket armor and wear an armor shirt next to your body. For the pants the same except its like the hard Leatt knee guards. One thing you need to avoid is armor shifting off where you need it when you are bailing which happens often when riding super technical terrain or just aggressively offroad. Armor next to the body...always.
Just ordered the pants, through your link, was about to go Mosko and saw these that are quite similar at $200 less. Same event fabric/super fabric.. I just hope these vent well in the summer!
I had some Bilt gear once but I found if I just took the window curtains down and sewed them into a jacket that they were more durable and comfortable. And more rain resistant. I'd probably not recommend Bilt products.
Hi Sir, I've been using the Aerostich Darin standard pants for 10 years, on my second pair about 3 years ago at $350 and custom fit to my 30' inseam and fat boy waist has worked well for me. I'm currently using the A.R.C. jacket thank you for your content.
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I was seriously interested in both jacket and pants. But ordering from Sweden would set me back an ADDITIONAL $500 in various fees! 😳😱
So…. Back to local stores then…
I have the ARC battle born, used it a lot, velcro on neck wore out, still have it. Then moved to KLIM Dakar, love it but using light weight rain gear over it when needed. I just used your link and ordered MSR explorer jacket, pants, base layers. Thanks
The pants only go to a 42" waist; apparently, you aren't that "fat" then.
Hi Dork, thanks for the review and sharing your opinion with us! I really appreciate the POV from a larger person like myself. How does this compare to Alpinestars Halo jacket? I believe you had that as well in a past video?
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I just received my MSR jacket and pants and immediately did the snow angel test. Dork is true to his word. Thank you sir. I bought these solely on your recommendation alone without any other research. After this you have my complete devotion. All hail the great internet riding buddy. 😂😂
I'm happy to hear you like the gear!
Bro!! You have the awesomest videos!! Sound advice, zero ego and gatekeeping… I’m hooked!!
can't wait for the next ADV 101 video! I'm currently in the works of purchasing a KLR and am finding all your videos suuuper helpful!
Been wanting proper gear for a while, this looks good! More gear reviews please 🙏 😀
I really value your reviews. I have purchased several items as per your positive reports. Thank you for your efforts and time.
After much research and finding your video, I bought the MSR ADV set. Just did the first 1200 mile ride with it, and while I'm too busy to do a reply video to your review right now, here are my comments:
1. Overall VERY satisfied with performance and build quality and water-resistance (but we only had one day of rain).
2. While the built-in CamelBak pouch is one of my favorite features, the loop on the front right chest only is limiting - I really prefer my drink tube on the left chest.
3. The forearm zippers/vents with their associated internal waterproof structure REALLY dig into my inner elbows when my arms are bent for things like fastening my helmet strap, to the point of bruises. NOT AT ALL a problem while in a riding posture - only when bending my arms tighter than about 90 degrees.
4. Definitely buying some clip-on suspenders. The lack of a rear jacket-to-pants zipper is a downside, and only when tightening the pants beyond the point of comfort would they stay up when not on the bike. Again, no issue when riding my DL650 V-Strom; only an issue when off the bike.
5. Pocket options are kind of limited, but I'm used to the one-piece Aerostich suit I've had since the early 2000s.
6. Jacket vents are surprisingly effective (so long as you open the shoulderblade vents as well). Pant vents do a little, but not as much as I wanted. I would prefer some outside calf vents that allow air in and up across the groin.
Many thanks for your detailed review, and judging from the comments on MSR's site, a lot of us found your review pivotal to our purchase decision.
EDIT/Addendum:
Other comments have mentioned how the left sleeve change/ID pocket was on the original Aerostich - they're right, and it's a GREAT feature. I still use the Velcro clear map pocket for the left sleeve on my Aerostich, and want to figure out how to add that to the MSR.
Your comments about the Pant's venting is exactly what I suspected...I have been very much wanting to buy the pants, but the venting scheme seems inadequate/ineffective especially because the ones that the pant does have do not appear to stay open for effective in/outflow.
This is definitely making me rethink a few recent gear purchases!
Rocky mountain atv is my go-to company now. They have slowly but steadily inched out revzilla over the last 5ish years
As someone in the market soon for a set of gear, thank you! I'm a bigger guy and I believe you have sold me on this.
Bought this equipment on your review! Spot on fits great , versatile in all conditions. Love it
EDIT: After some consideration I decided to take advantage of RMATV’s size exchange and to my benefit it looks like the large size jacket will be a good fit for me after all. Indeed I’ll ave the waist adjusters taken all the way in, and I’ll have room for a pressure suit and/or some layers. I’m looking forward to putting some miles on! I already see a few modifications to make to help ventilation in the hot times. As for the elbows: having the longer sleeves did help a bit, and having any kind of long sleeve shirt under the jacket helps a lot.
Dang I was excited about this suit, but it just arrived and unfortunately for me it is a no-go. I'm 6'2" and 180 lbs, (so tall-ish and thin), and the reports that the MSR is more "American" cut while the Klim is more "Euro" cut seems to be true.
The jacket: The Klim medium size jackets fit me like a glove with perfect sleeve length and a trim-yet-comfy fit, and the MSR medium only sits right around the middle with the waist adjusters tightened while the sleeves are significantly too short in the medium. If I moved up to a large I'm sure I'd be swimming in the torso area, and would provably even need the XL size to get the sleeve length right which I would DEFINITELY be lost inside. If it existed a Medium-TALL jacket might work better, but sadly it does not. So for you thicker dudes the MSR might indeed be a winner, but for me I'll have to keep searching for a budget-friendly new suit. Also: the elbow bend issue many have noticed on the MSR: it is AWFUL! From the reviews I was like "how bad can it really be?", but it is actually painful to wear, and would be annoying as hell and very distracting on the bike. And I AM willing to sacrifice some comfort for good protection, but this level of discomfort would be a potential hazard. The wrist zipper and superfabric and elbow armor adjuster all come together right on top where the elbow bends and I almost couldn't wait to get the jacket off. If the sleeve length was correct on me this issue might be lessened (because that area might be moved down the forearm and inch or two), FWIW...
I got the MSR 34 TALL pants and the fit was pretty good, length was good, a little bit longer than jeans (normally I wear 33W34L pants/jeans). They also felt pretty baggy so the armor would likely swim around, but again: for you thicker dudes it might work out great.
I hadn't seen anyone talking about it from a tall/thin guy perspective, so here it is. Thanks for the review Dork! I really wanted this suit to work, darn.
Thanks for this feedback. You saved me the headache
Please do the comparison video with Klim and this MSR gear! Thanks. Great video!
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How is it in hot weather though???
Appreciate the openness of what they give you and what they pay or don't pay you. Sucks to find out someone got paid to push something and they when the deal runs out they don't use the product any more. I really feel like you are being as honest as you can be with us and it's appreciated. Definitely looks like good quality gear.
That was one advantage of the ARC Battleborn gear, 500 all in for the pants/jacket combo and it came with thermal liners
Would love to see a detailed comparison video between msr and the Klim gear. Thank you!
I've owned an MSR Explorer jacket (when it was Malcolm Smith Racing) for around five years and couldn't agree more with your assessment of the quality and the comfort this jacket provides. The D3O armor and rugged fabrics give me a sense of security I don't have with other jackets. It is heavy though (6.8 lbs.) and I don't like bothering with with the numerous vents to optimize temperature control so, on warmer days, I will usually chose to wear my FirstGear TPG Technical jacket which (4.4 lbs.) also has D3O armor and an added benefit of High Viz green color.
I saw an ad for this gear the other day and was wondering about it(I need new pants) . I'm buying the pants because of this video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the honest review Dork in the Road ....the lack of zipper attachment between jacket and pant on the MSR is the deal breaker....looking at the REV'IT! Sand 4 H2O Jacket and pants...a bit more spendy but looks like a better design...
Awesome video. I just bought the Klim Dakar jacket today for summer riding and I love it so far, but I wasn't looking forward to the winter gear price tag. This is probably what I'll be going for because of this review. Also, I met you at Rays in Sisters a few months ago. 😆 Glad you made it home safe brother!
The simplest answer to why this gear is so much cheaper is that the Klim stuff is massively over-priced and should be way cheaper than it is
The R&D and materials that go into KLIM are second to none.
@@redrideradventuresKeep buying that overpriced gear 👍🏻
@@guccipucci69420 agree with u on that..
@@redrideradventures did Klim tell you that? :-D
I just got some Klim stuff on sale, never pay retail, its a lifestyle...lol
The best part is that you were not kidding about the snow angel lol. I was actually looking for a new jacket come this riding season. Perfect timing!
it's the ultimatre test!
I busted a gut with your principals office analogy. Great video Ben. Keep up the great work. Cheers from Texas.
That ID pocket on the left arm was stolen from AeroStitch originally so I guess it’s fair game these days.
Thanks for an in-depth look at the MSR gear. 👍
I’m still planning to buy it through your link. I’m trying to drop some weight before making the purchase. Made a few lifestyle changes after retiring.
"Feels good in the hand" All complete reviews need this phrase.
Thanks so much for your review. I’m in Florida and looking for something that’ll work for all our seasons here. That means the rainy season is also 90+ degrees so if it doesn’t breathe I’m still soaking wet but not from the rain.
So next we can hear about the hot weather test and how much it can vent? Riding from cold and wet to hot and dry back to back!
Send me some hot weather and I'll get right on that
@@DorkintheRoad Mexico?
Great review.
Wondering if anyone has used these above 80°F or 30°c ?
Also what there under layers are like for cooler weather?
Thank you all.
Welp, I completed the PA Wilds BDR-x. Wore the ADV jacket and gloves, both performed as I hoped. The jacket is wonderful, rode in torrential rain and snow, and I didn’t get wet, although the button pockets on the side will get wet eventually. I laid the bike down twice, no tears or damage to the jacket. I’m very happy with the jacket.
The gloves are phenomenal for the price point. If you can find a better value for $50, please send me a link, as I’ll buy those gloves too. I took a pair of the adv gloves and my pair of KLim Klimate gloves and the tips of my fingers got cold after two hours of riding in the low 40’s with intermittent rain while wearing the Klim gloves. The Klim gloves were $100 and didn’t do as well as I was hoping. My only complaint with the MSR gloves, is getting them on if your hands are sweaty. The liners in the fingers tend to bunch up so you have to pull each individual finger up when taking them off if you want to get them back on your hands quickly. Very happy with the MSR gear.
Did you happen to use the MSR xplorer pants too; if so, thoughts 🤔 - ventilation?
I purchased this kit based on your snow ride review with your link. I am in agreement that this kit is great. Really great. I also agree on the not so good points. The for arm vent zipper is too long it digs into the bend of my arm. The neck opening, designed for a gorilla neck. I’ll call have to wear a gater to fill in the gap on the cold days here in lane county.
I got the size I usually wear (32) in the pants and large in jacket. I need to send them back for larger because in the winter I wear a base layer to stay warm. Too tight of a fit. Also I wish RM would have designed in a more roomy seat. I’m a thin guy and the back of the pants pull way down when I’m sitting. But, all that said I can’t wait to get it back in a larger size. Its great stuff.
So freaking awesome your reviews are so good very well thought out and makes folks like myself who are bigger inspired 👍I'd like to see the side by side compared. Thanks again brother 👊 keep up the great work
Thanks Dork for this review. I’ve done my research and this jacket looks legit. I ordered one just a few days ago from RMADV can’t wait till it gets here.
Lets be real, we all layer now. It's the way to go. I have been looking for a great outer 'shell' for relatively reasonable money. Most of the big brands are out due to money and a bunch of stuff I don't need, want. I don't want a thermal layer, I've got 5 of them. I don't want a rain liner...got a few of those too now. I don't need more armor...I've got a few sets sitting on my shelf. I DO need a solid, well made and durable outer shell for my adventure riding I plan to do early 2025.
this might be the gear.
I like it!
Not just the gear but the singing at the end as well 😂
If only he looked like Shania!
@@ParallelCamper 🤣👍🏻
I would like to see a side by side comparison with Klim gear. Wish they came out with this gear sooner.
Big Rock Motot just did a side by side comparison of Klim Carlsbad 🙌
It will be interesting to see how you like it in the heat
Just bought the jacket and I love it. I’m coming from Olympia gear and this gear fits me better. The KLIM and Olympia gear did not fit my short fat neck. The tall collars rub on the bottom of my helmet restricting movement. After watching your first video and your answer to my question I pulled the trigger. Glad I did it is great. Thanks Ben for the gear reviews. I feel your opinion is spot on.
I've also been looking for an upgrade to my ancient Olympia gear, this looks like exactly what I need for commuting in the pnw lol.
Does the jacket fit larger than the Olympia gear? Could you give me an example of what size you wear and the fitment please?
@@scottfhscottfh I am 5' 10" 210 lbs. I have a 47" chest. My Olympia Ranger jacket is an XL and a little tight in the mid section. I have a some gut but not huge. The XL MSR has more room in the mid section and a little more in the chest. I was able to add a couple of layers under the jacket this weekend on my ride to Joshua Tree. My Olympia is to tight for anything more than a thin fleece under layer. Hope that helps
@@kevinsterner9490 ohhhh that's good info. My xl Olympia fit exactly the same on me.
I actually like that when RMATV acquires a company, they keep the name. I like Tusk and MSR. I think it would be cheesy if they just lapped Rocky Mountain ATV on all the gear.
Agreed. 👍🏻
I just wish they'd disclose it.
Tempting but I think I'll wait it out for a version 2.
Needs jacket and pants connection
Needs some internal elastic straps from bottom of hydration pocket to over the shoulders like a backpack strap to support the pocket. With a full bladder in there the weight pulls the jacket back and down exposing the neck, I do want the pocket to remain external.
Also and this goes for all adv wear manufacturers, adv riders aren't wearing motocross neck protection stop making these open neck jackets. I want a higher closer fitting collar.
Do these have suspender buttons? They should.
The lack of wind protection should be addressed, you can't be 4 season jacket if 3 of 4 seasons you will be cold, even with a midlayer. There are vents for a reason in warmer times.
More and better pockets, another pocket on upper right chest, and some nice napoleon pockets just inside.
Love the price,love the colorways add a sage brown/green tooplz, and love the style, reminds me of klims original adventure rally jacket.
I swear by a light wool outdoors shirt for my mid layer. The kind you get from say Fillson, Pendelton or another 100% wool woven or felted shirt. It breaths & is warm as long as you have a solid wind break. Sometimes the wind can cut through the zipper if you don't have good mid line coverage. On that note I really want a good off centerline riding jacket. Like the OG bomber style leather jacket or the newer Captain America offset jacket where the zipper or w/e closure is on one side of the chest.
Kim is ce level 2 armor. Plus lifetime time warranty and 5 year crash warranty. Cannot find anything on the msr warranty.
The gear looks good. But not sure you can compare this to what the battleborn was. I paid $185 for my battleborn jacket, and over 4 years later, it's still holding up perfectly - I like it even more than another Klim jacket I have. I don't think you can ask people trying out the sport, or just getting started to shell out $400 on a jacket. It's probably a great jacket for the price, and likely much better than the arc, it just doesn't represent the same value
I have the Klim Badlands Pro jacket and pants set, 2019 vintage. Three years in that gear, but I can ONLY wear it in cool / cold weather. It is just WAY too hot for the summer here in South Carolina. I just came across this video… now I have MSR in my sights. How is this in warm weather? I was THIS close to buying the new Klim S4 Baja set, but this now has my attention.
Thanks Dork, just added everything to my cart via your links, gonna go try on a klim jacket to make sure I have the right size. Hope to ride with you some time, I’m just north of you in woodland ,Wa
Just got mine through your site here. Thanks for helping me make a decision. Appreciate you!!
Just bought a pair of pants only. Considering returning them without riding in them because of the gusseted fly. To take a pee one would have to undo the buckle, unzip the fly, then pull the pant down four to five inches to relieve yourself. Frankly, the function of the gusset escapes me. In rain it would collect water because the gusset forms a pocket inside the zipper. Thinking about having the pant altered by cutting the gusset then hemming the edges to keep the cut from fraying.
Well, I'm sold. Once the snow melts I'll be getting a set of these. I'm really digging the blue and orange, that orange really pops without looking silly.
Howdy from Texas! New gsa in July. No real gear yet. Hard to spend for the Carlsbad which is my choice. If Rocky Mountain is comparable I'm there ! Please do another video ! Thank you
Just picked up the Sedici Avventura jacket and pants for my first adv set. So far I'm very happy with them both and they're very reasonable. So far I'm happy I went with one the cheaper options. Keep up the great work.
I bought those recently too and got absolutely soaked on a rainy ride. I hope you have better luck
Nevermind I bought the Garda gear from sedici. I'm dumb
@@DorkintheRoad I haven't ridden in much rain yet and I try to avoid it but I have a separate rain suit for it that works very well. I didn't plan on relying on this suit solely.
I am pretty sure that is the jacket I have as well and I am very happy with it so far. I have not been caught in a torrential downpour yet, I do have rain gear as well. The Sedici isn't Gortex etc. Price reflects that.
It's what I wear. Fantastic gear at a great price. Kept me dry in our Texas rains..
I do like having the zipper for the jacket to pants thing. I really like that on my HWK gear.
Great review my friend. Through the years I have done the hodge-podge accumulating good gear that worked for me at budget prices due to circumstance.I have been riding back country for a tad over 50 years now- back when work boots/helmet/leather jacket and gloves was what there was unless racing. Through the years I have tried and added nearly every brand of something to my riding. I do not have Klim only because of the expense AND I have found hot/wet/cold gear that piece for piece and what I do to it (silicon spray, etc) that I have a large closet of specific gear for summer/WET/winter riding and other for nicer days/more road trip stuff/ride-hike-walk days, etc. It CAN mean from Bilt gloves, Leatt or LS2 helmet, EVS protective gear,Alpine Stars, TCX or Fly boots. And quite a few others. I got them on sale after checking reviews so was able to get pretty darn good gear for riding back in the mountains as a BDR Ambassador and a gear sponsored rider for EVS Sports protective gear with a wide range of gear yet always really good protection no matter the price point. I was a cop, raised five kids and still rode. That did not leave much money for gear but it IS available- maybe last years model- but it works. There is nothing wrong with getting what you can afford but should never feel like decent equipment is not out there at decent prices to put into gas and your trip.
OK, just received a set of gear , here's MY first impressions on FIT only, (have not used it on a ride yet):
I'm 5"11 or so, and 245 lbs , maybe 47/48 size in chest
Typical motorcycle gear I would need to get an XXL or higher in order to fit me (think RevIt brand) , the XL jacket size is a PERFECT fit for me.
Also, I would wear a pant size typically of 38/40 length x 30 inseam.. the size 38 MSR pant fits VERY well, and i swear feels almost tailored to fit me . Both still fit with base and midlayers underneath.
The pants I could see getting a bit too tight IF i put on a few extra lbs, but the range of motion on these things is EXCELLENT!
I do feel that tightness in the elbows a bit, BUT its not that noticeable for me, and honestly, if someone else hadn't pointed it out, i might not have even noticed it..
The material feels very tough, and that superfabric feels bulletproof...
Those are my initial impressions on fit ONLY, not usage..
They seem like gear that will last me a LONG time, BUT time will tell
The one question I have regarding the eVent fabric, is they say to 'wash it often' .. what is often? once a month, after every ride, twice a year? I'd be curious to find that out , otherwise by far, hands down, the burliest riding gear I've ever owned..
@Dork in the Road - Have you had a chance to wear the Xplorer in warm weather yet? I am wondering how well it vents.
Yes in mexico. I wouldn't go above 85 degrees in it, but it's not really designed for that. Get mesh gear for hot weather.
The wife got me a set in grey for my BDay and this stuff is awesome! I wouldn't be surprised if the price increases in the future. I found the sizing to be right on point. I saw a few loose stands but nothing excessive at all. I would like to see an option to zip the jacket to pants but no big deal. There is a bit of a pinch on the crease of the arm but PLEASE dont let that stop you because this is EXCELLENT gear for the price and even if it were more expensive!
Great Review. Come down to San Diego...Baja is great, I go twice a month! Make sure you hit the wineries in Valle deGuadalupe !!!
I just bought a set of MSR Xplorer (after watching this video.) I got the pants first and went for a wet ride yesterday. I stayed completely dry and was warm throughout the ride. There are no problems there, but my left pant cuff kept getting caught on my foot peg as I put my foot down. The pant cuff was zipped entirely and snapped to the tightest position. I'm not sure if it was because the outer layer was wet, causing the material to become more pliable, or maybe it just doesn't fit well. If it continues, I may add a cycling velcro pant cuff to prevent this from happening again.
I was using a borrowed Klim ADV Badlands Rally jacket, so I'm curious how my ordered MSR will compare at a quarter of the price.
Update please.
@@onemileattatime2642 I absolutely love my MSR gear! I'm currently on a 600 mile ride, and have had everything hit me, rain, hail, high winds and severe cold. This gear has conquered them all! Highly recommend!
@bryandees8242 how are they in warmer weather? I know mesh is the way for heat, but can you say if the jacket and/or pants flow decently with the vents? I was wondering of the vents wouldn't stay open sufficiently without a clasp to flow air.
@@onemileattatime2642 with the exception of the rain and hail storm, I've been in 80-90F weather riding up central Washington into Osoyoos, B.C. so long as all vents are open, I'm okay. As soon as you stop though, you'll warm up fast. I widen my knees while riding which allows for maximum air flow through the thigh vents in the pants which work pretty well. I might break down and buy a Revit air mesh for the hotter season. It works though.
Howdy @DorkInTheRoad!! Awesome review!!! Where can another “Large Fellow” find those suspenders!!?!
Would love to see a comparison between this and the Klim Carlsbad. What's the weight comparison between the Klim Carlsbad and the MSR Xplorer Jacket. Also sounds like Mosko Moto IR Jacket that would be coming out in the future.
I completely agree about all the zip in liner options. I've purchased so many jackets and pants and I immediately remove all the liners and stow them in the closet never to be used. What a wSte
Appreciate the review & comparison! I've come from my sport oriented riding with my gear choices in the past but now getting further into dual sport & sport touring. These may very well be my next gear purchases.
Excellent review. I have had this set in my cart and will click the link on your channel and get it.
Well done, thank you for the breakdown. And put me on the YES list, for wanting to see the comparison video.
I ordered the voyager set and I love it! Want a set of these next. Great review man love your vids 😎
Thanks for a thorough and honest review - typical of the Dork! If you do cut that gusset out, be sure and remove the garment beforehand. It probably says that on one of the long silken white lables sewn inside the waist band.
lol good tip.
Would be interested to know what temperature range this gear would be good for in your opinion? I live in Southern Georgia so I'm more interested in cooling rather than insulating.
Been looking for another grey adv jacket option, thanks for the link
This looks great! I talked myself into a Knox Urbane Pro mesh motorcycle shirt recently. I loved the idea of the protective garment as the base layer with the armor worn over a thin polyester shirt and any insulation or waterproofing layered over that. Knox is a European brand and I'm an American so I bought a much larger size than the fit chart stated, to make sure it wasn't too small. It was too small. I have long but thin arms, and it was like a straight jacket. I had to fight a claustrophobic feeling as I tried to remove the jacket and the sleeves constricted on my arms like Chinese finger cuffs. The return shipping to the Netherlands was $65, which is a lot to pay to try on a jacket that I ultimately didn't want, so I appreciate Rocky Mountain offering one free return shipping on clothing purchases.
When considering the weight, remember that the jacket and pants are waterproof so you don't need the weight or bulk of packing a rain suit.
I like the added breathability compared to Gore-Tex. I mostly ride in warm weather where breathability is a good thing (in addition to the large vents) and I can wear a very thin windproof shell under the jacket if I want to be warmer... or I can wear my ultralight heated vest under the jacket.
I'm European, I take a large in Klim or xl in most Alpinestar or Revitt kit, but had to go XXL in the Urbane at 6 foot tall and 200 lbs [ get me doing US measurements] with a broad back 46" chest and a 34" waist so a pretty odd shape. I like the Urbane but even in xxl it kind of still digs into my back.
@@TheIdlesurfer - I loved the concept of the Knox Urbane Pro. Too bad it didn't work for me. Maybe if someone made the same tight fitting garment with sleeve zips as well as a front zip so it's loose when putting it on and taking it off. It's odd that there is American and European sizing. There's no significant genetic difference. Americans are just a lot fatter based on our bad lifestyle choices. That's embarrassing.
They almost knocked it out of the park with this gear. It's a shame they didn't go level 2 with the armor and at least include pockets for chest Armor. So it's more of a really good shell to pair with an armored level 2 shirt.
Think this might be my next set of gear. Just wish it came in more interesting colors!
I remember yearning for the Malcom Smith enduro jacket back in the 1980's but couldn't afford the $160 price tag!
I strongly think that suspenders is a must while wearing most types of motorcycle pants.
So are you still using it? RMATV has been sold out for months and I’m wondering if it’s worth holding out for or if I need to just move on.
Badass. Thanks for the review, I’ll be looking into this for my next set! I’m based in Baker City and ride the same places you so pretty often so it’s a very valid review for me!
@dorkintheroad : You said the i.d. pocket was stolen directly from Kilm; my first actual motorcycle jacket had that. 1st Gear (Hein Gericke) Stealth fighter in 1997. So yeah thats not Klim's I.P. And i seriously don't understand why all, or at least most Moto jackets have those. So useful.
The MSR sounds like a great deal, its really too bad because I finally saved up and bought my first expensive all weather jacket, Rev'it Sand 4 last Christmas. It's a solid jacket, and i like it, but that looks like better jacket in the same price range, for a bit more you have a whole suit. Ah well.
Good review tho, i'll have to catch more of your gear reviews (been watching your KLR vids so far)
Timely review for me. I am actively looking at waterproof gear for my Alaska trip this summer. I currently have Tourmaster trek alpine gear, it’s nice but not waterproof. They do have a WP suit that is comparable in price to this MSR gear. I will check it out.
What gear did you end up choosing? Satisfied with it?
Nice review, the MSR stuff looks like some good riding gear. its nice to know the sizes fit normal, since some other brands set all of their sizes to only fit "lighter" riders. I have the Alpinestar Andes v3 jacket, for the price it is great for commuting and adventuring. now i need a good pair of pants to go with it.
I wish they would restock soon on sizes for thicc bois like me. Looking for my first set of ADV riding gear after 10 years of riding and this seems to really be the best bang for the buck outside of buying used gear on ADV Riders Flea Market
Nice vid and review. Great to see good pricing for good gear. Heading to Baja soon??? I’m heading there on a ride beginning March 4th with MotoQuest. Maybe I’ll see you on the road :)
3do level 1 is one big difference to mention one, klim is level 2 for the real deal.? Which you should always pick (higher level is better protection) and that will cost extra money
You didn't describe the pocket layout for the pants. Do they have regular hip-style pockets, or just those doofus thigh pockets like a Carlsbad? Those pockets were deal breakers for me, so I went with Latitude pants to pair with my Carlsbad jacket.
Great info... It's too bad Rocky Mountain doesn’t offer the MSR jackets and pants in Tall Sizes.
I just got my jacket yesterday and the sizing is great except for the arms as you mentioned. I have big arms and is pretty snug but I hope it will just wear in.
Same here. I'm optimistic.
I ended up buying Sedici. The jacket and pants kept me dry on an unexpected down pour. it is less expensive than the gear you mentioned. The one problem is the sleeves are a bit short, for me, and I had to get gauntlet gloves.
Solid review!
Got my eyes on that jacket and will use the link when I make the buy. Thanks bro
i dont know why i watched this ( I was looking at a dual sport DRZ before the chopper bug hit so uncle Al Gorithm probably suggested it ) however your review was excellent for this.I dont need it at all but your enthusiasm for the gear makes me want some and I like to ride harleys to bars! Thumbs up. If I ever get a DRZ I will look into this stuff if they sell them in aus. Good review
CE level 1? I don't understand why they went all in on a hardcore jacket with superfabric but then choose the lesser protection of CE rated level one. Am I missing something here? Otherwise, solid offering
cheaper, I assume?
@@DorkintheRoad upgrading the elbows and shoulders from level 1 to 2 would add 20$ to the price. Not insignificant, but considering that its the most important aspect of impact protection, I'm surprised they did not went with CE Level 2, at least on shoulders and elbows 🤷♂️
Apart from that, once again, Im impressed. CE level 2 in shoulders and elbows would've made this suit a homerun in my book
I have the Carlsbad now, and would love to see a direct comparison. I bought my Carlsbad intentionally a little too big, be cause I wanted lots of room for layers underneath, so I am tempted to get a second jacket a size smaller for the summer months.
I kind of feel like it's a miss that the jacket and pants don't zip together. Since they don't, isn't there significant risk that the jacket rides up or the pants pull down if you go for a slide/tumble after a wreck? Or is that a silly thought?
I'm set with Klim pants, but the jacket...waterproof and a pocket for a water bladder, that's super tempting.
Excellent review as always! People should not underestimate the mid-tier (or even budget) options when it comes to apparel. It's often surprisingly good (just stick to reputable MFR's, obviously-fake gear is no bueno). I've been rocking a (relatively) cheap Sedici suit (CycleGear house brand) for the last three years and it's served me quite well in the mild-to-hot climates where I ride. I originally bought it as an emergency stopgap when the main zipper on my Aerostich broke right before a trip, but ended up liking it so much that it's become my primary suit. However, it's starting to show some wear and I'm planning a weeklong ride in Iceland. So I think it's time to upgrade to something more capable (especially more waterproof). I really didn't feel like spending a grand or more on Klim or Rev'It-good to know there is an option that basically splits the difference in price between those and what I have now, but is closer to the "top-drawer" stuff in quality!
I agree that the lack of a connecting zipper is a bummer, and potentially a small hit to safety as well. Isn't the main purpose of that to prevent the jacket from riding up if you end up sliding feet-first on your back? I'm sure I've been told that...
Decent looking gear, I wonder how much difference their is in CE level 1 protection in the MSR vs the level 2 in Klim as far as real world crash protection I dont think I have had anything with the level 1 protection but I can say the level 2 is pretty solid
riding on rocks offroad here in CO you take out the jacket armor and wear an armor shirt next to your body. For the pants the same except its like the hard Leatt knee guards. One thing you need to avoid is armor shifting off where you need it when you are bailing which happens often when riding super technical terrain or just aggressively offroad. Armor next to the body...always.
Made in Vietnam and no abrasion rating 😢 Still may buy, but it gives me pause.
What's wrong with Vietnam?
always thought MSR was better just so hard get here in Australia & sells out my size so fast online
Just ordered the pants, through your link, was about to go Mosko and saw these that are quite similar at $200 less. Same event fabric/super fabric.. I just hope these vent well in the summer!
This looks to have CE level 1 pads throughout. Don't forget the mosko gear is just a shell, no armor.
ill tell you what the pocket on the sleeve is for a badge for federal bases.
I had some Bilt gear once but I found if I just took the window curtains down and sewed them into a jacket that they were more durable and comfortable. And more rain resistant. I'd probably not recommend Bilt products.
Well done dork! 😁
Getting my first adv bike next month and need first adv jacket and pants. 🙏🏽
Appreciate the candid comparison!
Thanks man. Please continue to keep it real.
Hi Sir, I've been using the Aerostich Darin standard pants for 10 years, on my second pair about 3 years ago at $350 and custom fit to my 30' inseam and fat boy waist has worked well for me. I'm currently using the A.R.C. jacket thank you for your content.