The Trinity: Is it Constantine’s Invention? (part 1)
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- Did Emperor Constantine invent the doctrine of the Trinity at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., as Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code, along with many other critics of the doctrine, would lead us to believe? This video surveys the history of the doctrine of the Trinity in the pre-Constantinian era by considering what some pagan Roman rulers, along with many early church fathers, wrote about Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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It is sickening until now days to witness that still some people worship idols! Bible said to not worship idols, and that there is only one true God! And still people are deadly blind to accept the truth! May God guide us to the right path of Adam, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed peace be upon all of them ❤
It is only the Imperial Church of Rome continues with soft idol worship!
If you deny the deity of CHRSIT you are not saved - a regular human could not have paid for your sins... The Trinity (GODhead) is 100% biblical. FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT = 1 GOD in 3 persons.
JESUS is GOD (see John 1, Hebr. 1 etc.)and HE came to earth in the flesh so HE could pay for your sins on the cross and come back to life on the 3rd day!!! Thank JESUS for this if you want to go to heaven!
King James Version
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Listen to real biblical theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Mark Hitchcock and their guests.
Why the early Christians who deny the concept of the trinity were persecuted and many executed by the Christians who had some power because they became allies with the emperor? The ones who joined the power of the world persecuted those who were not following their own narrative,who was right?
The Roman church did the burning and killing of Christians who refused to believe in the Trinity and other false teachings.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
Paul's prophecy which would happen after his death.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God and God is one. Jesus Christ is God, divinity in Human flesh. I hate when people deny what the Bible plainly describes in any context, much less such a foundation as the Holy Trinity.
Making claims and proving them may be difficult. No Christian in the First Century and now worships any Trinity.
Please read the book of Acts and the other letters and see whether one can locate a single instance of Jesus or the holy spirit being worshiped. None exists.
Here is how the Trinity came about. Paul's prophecy.
(Acts 20:30) and from AMONG YOU yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
That is how the Trinity got the 'Christian' tag.
Colossians 1 : 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 2 : 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ.
The word "TRINITY" is not found in the Bible. Neither in the old testament or the new is not mentioned in the Bible.
However YHWH ( God of Israel) Reveals HIMSELF as a TRI- UNE Personality.
Abraham saw Jehovah (YHWH) as " 3 persons" ( see genesis 18:1-3).
If He reveals Himself who are we to challenge?
Hear hear 👍🏾
More like three angels appeared and then later on early church fathers looked for examples of the trinity and stumbled upon ambiguous portions of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Having read the bible from Genesis to Romans as a 12 year old, I only had to read the first Chapter of the Holy Quran (Al Fatiha) and I was convinced.
Just wondering why so called curious individuals fail to read the last testament. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter.
Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adultery, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society. You would definitely be xenophobic Islamophobic nuts if you disagreed with that.
Believing in GOD almighty will instantly eliminate there ills of the western societies of godlessness. Islam is everything you Christian want Christianity to be. Islam is the only religion in the world that doesn't use/defame other religions to prove itself right. It is the only religion that actually asks you to seek knowledge. Persons swimming in truth will never drown in ignorance. The ink of a scholar is more sacred than the blood of a martyr, Muslims believe. There is only one Devine religion, the fastest growing one. The more you attack it, the faster it grows.
One million Americans have converted to Islam since the beginning of the century. Fifty thousand Americans convert to Islam every year. There are currently more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in many European capitals, notably London. Muhammad has become the most popular newborn male name in England. Many churches have been converted to mosques in America and Europe. The same spread of information that caused the adoption of Protestantism in the middle ages is fueling the spread of Islam in the current age. Get ready for the day your children or grandchildren telling you that they have reverted to their natural state of submission to their creator God, a state called Islam.
Muslims don't reject Jesus, peace be upon him. They accept all prophets staring with Adam, through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Moses, Jesus and ending with Muhammad, PBUT. They reject the Roman pagan polytheistic religion promoted by Paul and Rome behind him. It is very easy to learn the truth. Jesus taught submission to one God, Islam. He was indeed a Muslim prophet. In his second coming, he will establish the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Islam.
Roman pagan polytheistic religion under a new management, that’s what man-made St. Paulism is. All its beliefs, practices, ceremonies, holidays, religious figures all are authentically pagan.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
Luke 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Matthew 21:11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”
John 4:19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet.
Matthew 21:46 "And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds because they held him to be a prophet".
Acts 2:22 says, "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you by the miracles, wonders, and signs he did through Jesus. You all know this, because it happened right here among you"
Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one
Amen! And if a person denied the deity of CHRIST he or she is not saved because a regular person could not have paid for our sins!
The Bible says, There is ONE and ONLY ONE [ Echad ] GOD and ONE and ONLY ONE REDEEMER [ Ishu Meshikha ].The est is fable:
the Christian kalma ought to be, I believe in ONE GOD and I believe in ONE REDEEMER.
Christian doctrine do not come from theologians, but from Scripture alone. Trinity is not found in Scripture.
Watch the other videos in this series to see that the doctrine of the Trinity is based on a careful study of the Scripture, the Holy Bible.
Constantine didn't want to "settle the dispute". He wanted to use Christendom and the emblem of the Cross . He thought he had a vision of the cross leading his troops into battle and I don't think he was concerned about Christendom except the effect he could get for forging his armies. If he was really concerned about the church you might think he would have already gotten baptized as a matter of his faith. Yet he waited until 336 ( some say 337 as to the date he was baptized as an Arian).
Did you read St. Lactantius', "Divine Institutes"?
Is Jesus in control of History or not ?
@@jwsanders1214 He allows things to happen according to His will which we cannot fathom. He didn’t build an earthly temple here of church buildings and institutions but rather the spiritual body that makes up the Ecclesia, the body of Christ. It’s a collective unit of those who are truly His sheep and it’s a spiritual thing. It says in the end that many will be deceived, if possible even the elect. That there were false apostles even in the early church (check revelations, the message to the Ephesians and is discussed in epistles as well as the acts of the apostles), that Satan appears as an angel of light so it is no surprise if he shows himself as a minister of righteousness. That just as Israel and Judah turned away when God made a covenant with them, they were made to be a lesson unto us.. and also a prophetic warning; there would be a great falling away. The Greek word actually means apostate, which means turning away from something you already knew at one time. The foreknowledge of something makes us more responsible for what we receive and what we decide to do with it. Jesus has shown us the warning signs of what imposters would look like in the Ecclesia and to keep one’s heart with all diligence. The mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots.. who do you think that is? The non-believers? Or rather an once faithful group of believers who fell away and were caught in the snare of deception and become wicked partakes of the deeds of Belial?
One faith, One Lord, one baptism
@ranospiteri5776
Jesus also said in the bible:"I Am
Read the early Church Fathers writings from the 2nd Century. The Trinity was already understood just not named
Exactly!
Since the True Church ceased to exist after the 1st Century, any so-called church Fathers teachings should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Paul has prophesied what would happen after his death.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
If the RCC was the one true church, then by breaking away, the Protestants made themselves the apostates. Logically, that is.
@@tongakhan230 As far as I know. The Church Father's of the 2nd Generation were followers of the Disciples.
I am not overly dogmatic in my Faith.
If you confess that Jesus is Lord. You are my Brother or Sister.
@@tongakhan230
" Since the True Church ceased to exist after the 1st Century, any so-called church Fathers teachings should be taken with a pinch of salt. "
The true church ceased to exist after the 1st century? How did you come to that conclusion? Joseph Smith? Your understanding of Scripture and church history is lacking severely.
@@rickdavis2235 : Here is some good advice.
1 Corinthians 4:6.....that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,”
All writings of the Bible ended with John's writings. Nothing was to be added.
Satan was trying to take over the Christian Congregation even while the Apostles were alive. Once they all died, Satan took over.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the APOSTASY COMES FIRST and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. (Pope?)
7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness IS ALREADY AT WORK, but ONLY UNTIL the one who is RIGHT NOW ACTING AS A RESTRAINT IS OUT OF THE WAY. 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed,
The ones acting as a restraint stopping Satan taking full control were the Apostles.
Just think a bit. How did the Titles, Pope, Bishop, Cardinal, Priest, Pastor all come about? Also addressing humans with the spiritual title, Most holy Father, Reverend Father, Father and such. There was no such thing in the First Century Christian Congregation as per Jesus' command.
Matthew 23:8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and ALL OF YOU ARE BROTHERS. 9 Moreover, DO NOT CALL ANYONE YOUR FATHER ON EARTH, for ONE IS YOUR FATHER, the heavenly One. 10 NEITHER BE CALLED LEADERS, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
Pease read Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 16:18 and let me know what one thinks Jesus was saying there, taking the above into consideration.
As a trinitarian I could not explain it ..and made myself look stupid trying to defend it .Christ did however pre exist prior creation as the word .and the word was not a creation .
Mark 12:28-32, John 17:3, John 20:17, Rom 15:6, Rom 16:27, I Tim 2:5, Rev 3:2, Rev 3:12. Just a few for starters.
Here's my list, so far:
Exodus 20:1-3
And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
John 17:1-3
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
Mark 12:28-32
One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Then the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that ‘he is one, and besides him there is no other’
John 8:25-29
“Who are you?” they asked.
“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied. “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”
They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”
John 8:38
I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
John 8:40
As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.
Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Mathew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Luke 18:19
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
John 14:28
You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because [a]I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
Awesome scriptures Revelations chapter 3 verse 14 an exodus chapter 6 verse three
@@random2188 And Exodus 3.15. Read the LSB. It's fascinating. Tells us who God is and what his name is.
It says it in chapter six
This is many Christian’s problem, counting Constantine as a Christian and anything from him as reputable. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not an invention of any human but is from heaven and makes it possible for us sinful humans to regain what Adam lost, our direct relationship with our heavenly creator. You can kick against the work of God all you want, it will only make you dumber. If God is relating to believers through the Holy Spirit to our spirit, you can’t stop him. What we have now was a mystery to the profits.
The pagan Constantine was instrumental in making the Trinity official.
Wasn't it a fulfillment of Paul's prophecy:
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
@@tongakhan230
You lack understanding on the subject. Stop using Catholic sources, conspiracy theorists, unitarians, oneness religions, and so on for your research.
@@rickdavis2235 : Why? Are the scriptures frightening?
People who use the Trinity are following in the footsteps of the Roman Catholics as it was their baby.
@@tongakhan230
The Roman Catholic church didn't exist for hundreds of years after the plurality of God was known by the early Jews. Anti-trinitarians sound ignorant when they have scripture to support it but they choose to deny it.
I bet you also think the Catholic Church is the church Jesus founded, that Peter was the first pope, the Catholic church gave us the Bible, and you know who shot Kennedy, where Bigfoot is and who bombed the WTC.
Well said
The word Trinity isn't in the Bible. God is one I AM
Also the word Christian is not in the bible.
Carol be careful how you word it. We are not against the word, but rather the concepts the word trinity employs. In other words that God is a substance / essence composed of 3 persons. This is false.
@@benharis1956 Yes, it is. Twice as a singular word, once as a plural. Acts 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16, and the plural is in Acts 11:26. Leave it to an atheist to correct your lack of knowledge of the Bible.
@@benharis1956 Christian is just another term for ROMAN
@@enkidufive3349 No it does not. The Christian doctrine made by council of nicea. It's pagan origin.
The Holy Trinity is not an invention, it is True. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
John 8:24 says "Unless you believe that I Am "he" you will die in your sins". The word he is italicized, meaning it was added by the translators to add clarification from Greek to English. In the original context it would read "Unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins". When Moses asked God at the burning bush, that wasn't consumed; Whom shall I say sent me? God responded and said tell them " I AM sent you". Jesus is incarnate deity.
AMEN!
Look at John 8:28, a few verses later he repeats this sentiment but then says, "I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." So he does NOTHING on his own, meaning he has no God like attributes other than what God has given him for a temporary time just like previous prophets. Jesus does not even know the hour God will bring his revelation.
@@BilalHijab the humanity of YHWH as our example reveals or teaches as a live archetype, prototype or first of his kind. We can do nothing of ourselves. Keep in mind John 5:19 with John 8:28. The son can do nothing of himself unless he first sees the Father do it. At what point then do we see the Father teach how to die for our enemies? How to establish or even preach the new covenant? Greatest of all? The Almighty? Lord of all? Yah of yahs?
@@BilalHijab Aman Sum what you stated is correct. Jesus depended upon the Father for everything, just like you and I do. Yet unlike you and me, Jesus lived a live of perfect submission i.e. he never rebelled once.
Being the perfect human being, Jesus is in position to stand in as the represenative of humanity. Your represenative and my represenative.
For the real God requires perfection and won't tolerate rebels to be in his presence.
This poses a problem for both you and me. We're both found to have rebelled multiple times against our creator.
The real God can't wink at rebellion and just excuse it. The real God is holy, holy, holy. Holiness is the only atribute of his many attributes that's repeated repetitively in order to express it's importance.
Only the God of the Bible, can harmonize justice, judgement, mercy and truth. And this is accomplished at the cross, which Islam denies. God is found to be both just and justifier, in Jesus at the cross.
Contrast this with Allah who is said to be the most merciful, yet he also claims to be just and to exicute judgement.
Where is Allah's justice when he winks at the sins of one rebel, while condeming another rebel? How is Allah found to be the most merciful? When he condemns one and excuses another? How is truth testified to by Allah's fickleness?
It's impossible for Allah to be just and express judgement, while being merciful and aboding in the truth. All while not respecting no person and being impartial to all. For the real God is love and God loves every human being that has or will walk the face of this planet.
Jesus, the Son of God had to become a human being in order to live a life you couldn't live. He had to die and suffer in order to satisfy God's justice and judgement. Through Jesus, God's Son. God offers up mercy to all i.e. God's not impartial. To all who repent and acknowledge their guilt before God i.e. God abodes in the truth.
Justice, judgement, mercy and truth are all brought into harmony at the cross. Let God be true and all men found to be liars.
You sir are a rebel and are deserving of judgement and justice. God offers up mercy but you must abide in the truth.
Islam has it's concept of truth and the Bible has another concept of what is truth. Jesus said "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
@@kurtwinslow2670 ☝️
No logical response to scriptural criticism. The accounts of Jesus say he was perfect so he must have been god. Seems logical.
If jesus was alive today, would he be going around preaching the New Testament ?
Nope. His teaching have been altered over the centuries. Even people who learn Coptic the original language of the New Testament are thrown for a loop since it's very different from the current NT in use. The Council of Nicea removed reincarnation and other core teachings.
Yes, because historic Christians believe that Paul got his teachings directly from the risen Lord; that was his claim, and it was affirmed by the earliest Christians. His life and death is quite impossible to explain otherwise.
"no,He has His servants therefore
Why do people make these claims when Thomas called Jesus MY LORD AND MY GOD. Constantine had nothing to do with Jesus’ divinity 🙏❤️
Amen and if someone denies the deity of CHRIST he or she is not saved. John 1, Hebr. 1 and Isaiah also call JESUS GOD.
One can find hints of the Trinity in the New Testament: Mat 28:19. Jesus's last words to his Disciples (according to Mathew): "Baptise those in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". Most English translations say something like that. The Nicene Father would have read and discussed such verses.
Since Christ came in his Father's name... wouldn't it make sense that when baptized we too would be taking His name as a member of the family. We are baptized into the same name as the Father and Son by the power of the spirit. With Yahuah being the Father of all.
@@gearlabell3059 What "makes sense" in theology is in much dispute. The question in the video, however, was about the history of the Trinity. The meaning of the Trinity is settled for Christians in the Creeds, but, as far as I am concerned, open as long as it is a Trinitarian Formula. (Yours is nice).
Why would God just give hints instead of just telling us about the trinity? You need to understand that the Bible is God's only means of communication after the prophets, and the death and ascension of Jesus. And that is clearly written in Hebrews chapter 1. Understanding the Bible is not a matter of hints and interpretations. It is a very very clear book that is self referencing and self explanatory. If the trinity were a thing, it would be very explicitly stated in the bible. What you are claiming is pagan and has nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever.
@@otienoroberts Sorry, nothing is very clear in the bible or about how the bible was put together. You obviously know very little about the first couple hundred years of Christianity and the earliest debates or why there was a Nicene Council 325 AD (CE) to try to put an end to the different interpretations of what it meant to be a Christian. And some of these debates still go on today. And it is good to know that you understand God and man so perfectly.
@@richardrumana5025, those debates are ongoing because those people engaging in them don't bother to read the Bible and understand it. And you seem to be among those that don't read and understand the bible. And the reason I have to make that conclusion is very simple, how are you a Christian if you are claiming that nothing is very clear on the foundational document that shapes Christianity????? What are you relying on to determine that you are a Christian???? The Bible is very clear, and it is self-explanatory, and I believe it appears complicated or unclear by design. Mathew 13:10-11 says:
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
If you can't understand it, maybe you shouldn't consider yourself a Christian.
For those who promote the Trinity, they also promote the belief that God is going to resurrect lost people from the dead and then keep them alive supernaturally for all of eternity so that He can burn them alive for eternity because (1) they rejected salvation in His Messiah, and/or (2) they didn’t believe in the Trinity. Perhaps Trinitarians should work out what “hell” really means and then come back and revisit the subject of the Trinity.
Not true. There is no hell.
Deu 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.
Deu 25:2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.
Deu 25:3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.
max 40, and an eye for an eye, under torah.
so eternal fireprison isn't compatible with this, especially not after the cross where sin was dealt with.
Anyone who decides to live a life apart from the source of life only has one other option- hell. There is nothing good outside of God. Make your choice as many have brother
That is a stupid analogy. People go to hell because they reject Christ and his salvation. Repent and call on the Lord!
@@cmmarsden The Holy Bible says different.
There is one problem Muslim preachers overlook: if I, for example, reject the idea of the Trinity, and am no longer a Christian. But what if I don't accept the Qur'an as the final revelation and Muhammed as the final prophet?
Or what if I do accept the Qur'an, but don't accept the idea that Muhammed is the final prophet, but thet there were other prophets of one god after him? Obviously, I can't be a Muslim if I reject the core part of Islam, right?
Also, there are non-trinitarian Christians
There is only one type of Christians. They are DISCIPLES of Jesus. Not his worshipers.
There are however those who claim to be Christian, worshipping Jesus.
Here will be Jesus' response to them soon.
(Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Here is how to recognize Jesus' True DISCIPLES.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are MY DISCIPLES-if you have love among yourselves.”
@@tongakhan230 i wonder why Muslim who rejected Jesus as God, keep on using the Bible verses to justify their own understanding.
when Jesus Christ rejected those, and sending them away, it's not because they worshipped Him as God but because of their actions as a sinners. In order to become a faithful servant of Jesus Christ, a servant must follow and obey Jesus Christ. Believing or having faith is NOT enough. There must be an action. Their faith is dead without works. A tree is useless without a fruit. And by their fruit you shall know them.
You see, if i don't believe in the koran as a word of God, i will never use a word from it, as a christian. i will continue to believe God from the bible and defend my faith from the bible. I cannot use any word from the koran to prove God from the bible that Jesus is God because it will only contradicts my faith and belief that Jesus Christ is God.
If a man who don't believe in the bible and use the verses from it to justify his understanding that Jesus Christ in the koran is not God, then he has a problem with his koran. why? it only shows that his koran is not enough to prove his understanding about Jesus. if he cannot believe the bible, how can he understand the true meaning of that verse? how can he justify that it is true if he himself don't believe the book? 😂😂😂😂
If i saw a gun and don't believe that it can stop my enemy,, why should i use it? simple as that.
BUT, if they, muslim use it.. then, they must believe that the bible is true or indeed they accept and believe it is true. 😁 to God be the glory.
@@tomdavid952 : Just think a bit instead of following the crowd (cf Exodus 23:2).
If Jesus was God even for a millisecond, why would John who grew up and around Jesus, state in unambiguous terms.
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20.
If the apostles knew that Jesus wasn't God, how can some Council 400 years later presided over by a pagan Roman Emperor decide differently?
Here is Paul's prophecy about falsehoods that will be labelled as Christian after the apostles die.
(Acts 20:30) and from AMONG YOU yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
Here is some good advice.
1 Corinthians 4:6....that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,”
@@tongakhan230 if you're a muslim, you need to believe and accept that the bible is true with all your heart. if not, what is the use of arguing something you don't believe? 😁
@@tomdavid952 : I believe the Bible. That is why I use it to explain the TRUTH.
People who claim to believe the Bible do not rely on its teachings. This video is an example.
Using words of apostates to try and prove a Trinity which the Bible doesn't even hint at.
I was only trying to help people think for themselves and rely on the scriptures.
Ephesians 4
5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
The Trinity (GODhead) is 100% biblical. FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT = 1 GOD in 3 persons.
JESUS is GOD (see John 1, Hebr. 1 etc.)and HE came to earth in the flesh so HE could pay for your sins on the cross and come back to life on the 3rd day!!! Thank JESUS for this if you want to go to heaven!
King James Version
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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This shouldn’t even be an issue. Anyone who is truly born again can’t help but see that the father communing with our spirit because of Jesus shed blood, works as a trinity. Jesus before he departed said he would send a helper, the Holy Spirit. He searches the mind of God and testifies to our spirit that we are his children.
How is someone born again, may I ask?
@@tongakhan230 By Believing that Jesus died in your place to make atonement for your sins with his own precious blood , and that he was buried and rose from the dead on the third day , and ascended to Heaven , and he will return to earth to Judge the living and the dead . Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved .
@@jwsanders1214 : The question was about the meaning of being born again. Here! This may help.
9 Most of God’s servants today may find it difficult to understand what happens to someone when God anoints him. This is normal because they themselves have not been anointed. God created humans to live forever on earth, not in heaven. (Gen. 1:28; Ps. 37:29) But Jehovah has chosen some to live in heaven. So when he anoints them, he changes their hope and way of thinking drastically, so that they look forward to life in heaven.-Read Ephesians 1:18.
10 When Christians are anointed by holy spirit, they are “born again,” or “born from above.” Jesus also indicated that it is impossible to explain exactly to someone who has not been anointed how it feels to be “born again,” or to be “born from the spirit.”-John 3:3-8; ftn.
“for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
Colossians 1:16 KJV
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16
- Who is Jesus? God
The CREATED BY him is a KJV translation. All other translations say THROUGH HIM.
In other words, God used Jesus to help in creation. Proverbs 8:30.
Much like the Minister of Housing uses a contractor to build houses.
@@tongakhan230 WROTE:
" The CREATED BY him is a KJV translation. All other translations say THROUGH HIM. "
You started off with a demonstrably false assertion.
NIV - in him
NLT - through him
ESV - by him
BEREAN STANDARD - in him
BEREAN LITERAL - in him
KJV - by him
NKJV - by him
NASB - by him
ASV - in him
ISV - by him
Let's go to the Koine Greek manuscripts and see what Colossian 1:16 says: "because in him "were created" all things in the heavens and upon the earth the visible and the invisible, ...."
The word used for "were created" is "ektisthē".
Strong's Concordance: ektisthē
ktizó: to build, create
Original Word: κτίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ktizó
Phonetic Spelling: (ktid'-zo)
Definition: to build, create
Usage: I create, form, shape, make, ALWAYS OF GOD.
HELPS Word-studies
2936 ktízō - properly, create, WHICH APPLIES ONLY TO GOD who alone can make what was "not there before" (Latin, ex nihilo, out of nothing, J.Thayer); figuratively to begin ("found"), especially what is habitable or useful.
[This is also the meaning of this term from Homer to Josephus.]
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to build, create
NASB Translation
created (13), Creator (1), make (1).
@@rickdavis2235 : Please read Hebrews 1:2. Here it is for convenience.
(Hebrews 1:2) Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom HE (ie. God) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, and THROUGH WHOM he made the systems of things.
IF Jesus did any creating, he logically would be the OWNER. But he is God's appointed HEIR.
Let me know why God appointed Jesus his HEIR.
@@tongakhan230
Please don't read proof-texts to me that you don't understand and please stop distorting the gospel. Systems? Where do we see that in the Greek manuscripts?
Revelation 1:7-8
7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[b] on account of him. Even so. Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Is God the Father coming back with the clouds or Jesus? This is Jesus speaking as though He is God, which He is.
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Revelation 1:17-18
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
God is the first and the last and He has the keys to the kingdom. When did He die?
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Revelation 4:8-11
8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say,
“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
who was and is and is to come!”
9 And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 “Worthy are you, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they existed and were created.”
The Lord God Almighty who was and is and is to come! That's Jesus.
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Revelation 22:12
12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Jesus is the one who is coming soon and He says He is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Those are God claims.
Can someone answer me this question: In Genesis 1:2 The Bible says the spirit was moving on the earth , where was God when His Spirit was hovering over the earth?. Was God in Heaven or was God on earth together with His Spirit?
Awaiting answer's?.
God's spirit also called the holy spirit is the power God uses to make things happen. It was this power that was creating things.
Yes! People who believe in the Trinity have a problem
@@tongakhan230 Good day , thank you for your answer. Do you have a Bible scripture to back your answer that the Holy Spirit is God's power ?. The Holy Spirit will give you power , that's what Jesus said before He ascended into Heaven .
@@jpsports041 : You will receive power when holy spirit comes upon you -Acts 1:8.
It clearly identifies holy spirit with power. This power emboldened the scared disciples to boldly witness despite the threat of death.
This holy spirit can be poured out.- Acts 2:17.
The holy spirit can be given as a gift - Luke 11:13.
Are we talking about a person or power from God? An active force.
@@tongakhan230 Thank you for that . Good scripture, you will receive power that's what the scriptures say , The Holy Spirit is God .
@@jpsports041 : Jesus couldn't do any miracles until God gave him this active force. Once Jesus received God's holy spirit at his baptism he was able to do miracles.
Check out Newton's first law. It will help understand what the holy spirit is.
People don’t realise, one of the last days deceptions is Christians denying Christ’s divinity. Early Christians and the disciples knew who Jesus was, God manifested in the flesh.
Jesus, my Lord, and my God.
I believe the Old Testament AND the new testament. God repented multiple times in the old Testament. Jesus never repented, he didn't have to. Jesus never sinned.
😂
God has no flesh, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
@user-rw7zj9gk5z So God has sinned? How contradictory is that? Well, I guess you are right. I mean, God sinned against humanity, so God had to sacrifice Jesus to us and asked us to forgive God for his sins.
John 3:16 makes it clear
Mark 3:21
When his family heard this they went out to restrain him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
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and he said to them, How can Satan cast out Satan .... better to keep it in context
Horrible take trying to use a Scripture our of context to disprove the Trinity. Look at Revelation 19:3 then John 1:1-5.
@Christology 101 why Rev 19:3?
The Greek word for “family” is not in the text. It literally says, “those by Him.” Sorry 😂
@@David-kk4dr That's a transliteration "οι παρ αυτού" translates as, "those belonging to him" or "family"
There is a difference between having three aspects to one’s self, and being three distinct individuals. The Church doesn’t seem to understand that. The commandment is “I am the lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other Gods before ME.” It does NOT say “WE are - - - - - - Gods before US” Since God is eternal, so is the trinity. ONE God, three aspects. That is the trinity.
YHWH is referred to as both plural and one in the OT. -- The church DOES understand modalism (3 aspects/modes) and it was one of the earliest heresies that was condemned.
@@bridgetazaz
Elohim is both singular and plural, not Yahweh.
Your position is unclear. Are you arguing for or against the doctrine of the Trinity? Aspects seems to lean toward modalism.
Even if Jesus came down and refuted either "Unitarianism or the Trinity"...i dont think any Christian will change their respective position 😀
when i die...on the day of judgement...this is one judgement that will set the record straight, for which I will eagerly be listening to
I absolutely would.
I already changed my opinion once, going from the opinion I was raised in, my whole family believed, and by leaving that opinion lost my entire community I grew up with.
I don't think I'm too proud to accept I can be wrong from God himself after that.
The holy spirit is the gift/staff/arm of God, and was given to Moses to part the sea, he is there to glorify God only. John 16:13-14 the scriptures says, that the holy spirit will not speak on his own initiative, In other words, he will only say what he is told to say by Jesus Christ, in John 20:22 Jesus christ said to his disciples, "receive the holy spirit " .Acts 1:1-2 Jesus christ, giving instructions through the holy spirit to the apostles. Jesus christ never said that the holy spirit and I are one, It is only the farther and Jesus Christ (the lamb/body)that are one in bodily form 🙏
Religious leaders didnt change then
They wont change now
They love there traditions more than the word of God
@@AstariahJW it's so easy to say that isn't it?
It's so easy to say people you have never met, and know nothing about don't love God, Because _you_ disagree with them.
It's so easy for you to larp a prophet, while the clergy actually make serious sacrifices in their life for the love of God and his people. Maybe, just maybe, there is something you don't know going on?
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 wtf is this nonsense?
Jhn 8:24 KJV - "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [HE], ye shall die in your sins."
Exod 3:14
There is no Trinity to Christ - it's a Satanic ploy, straight up. Trinity appears in the Matrix for a reason - the Dark Side of the Moon/Rabbit Hole. Christ was clear: the way to the Father is through him, the way to him is through the Spirit of Truth - Matthew 6. That is why you still doubt - you can't follow simple instruction, where the veil lifts by the minute for me. It's not a "belief," it's a way of being and you all missed out. And the ones that support the Trinity - they thirst. Find Christ.
The trinity is biblical. Only those who actually read and follow the bible understand this.
The council of Nicea in 325AD focused entirely on esoteric theories about the nature of the Creator of all life on earth. But, reading Christ's words in the Gospels tells us clearly that He was not focused on theories, or interested in debating esoteric points of theology.
"I have come that you may have life and have it in abundance."
"Thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and the wise and revealing them to the innocent and the simple."
And most importantly in light of the history that followed the council of Nicea:
"He who would be your leader must be your servant. He who would be your king must be your slave just as the Son of Man has come not to be served, but to serve and give His life as a ransom for many."
Is that what the emperors of Byzantium did? Did the monarchs of Europe who professed to rule by divine right for the next 180 centuries give their lives to serve their serfs and peasants? Did the Pope's who ruled over the Catholic church for 180 centuries "Treat all others as you would be treated for that sums up the Law and the Prophets" as Christ clearly taught??
If they had there never would have been war after war after war by so-called royalty. No Inquisition, no murdering other Christians and Jews for their religious beliefs. All of that history of warfare and self-serving destruction is in complete disagreement with everything Christ said and did when he walked among us to give the world the good news.
"Come, oh beloved of my Father and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundations of the world."
Contrast those words with the legend that before a great battle to take the city of Rome Constantine saw the sign of the cross in the sky and heard the words "By this sign conquer".
Constantine did establish freedom of religion in the Byzantine and the former Roman Empire. But, nowhere in the Gospels is Christ quoted as saying, "I have come that you may kill wantonly for centuries in my name. The few shall enrich and empower themselves for centuries to come by terrorizing and enslaving the many."
Lastly, He said 2,000 years ago that "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." I take Christ at His word, just as the Centurian did.
And so, clearly we have some explaining to do and a great deal of work to do to correct the long-term destructive legacies of the past that have held mankind back from realizing the kingdom of heaven on earth as Christ intends for us to do to this day.
The good news is the door to freedom, equality, and justice for all people is still open.
Actually, when Christ comes in his second advent, he will smite the nations with the sword of his mouth. If we try to spiritualize this then what does it mean that there will be "blood to a horses bridle"? Or calling the birds of the air to eat the flesh, the carcasses? Ezekiel 38-39 speaks of this war. Armageddon is prophesied. Did not Judas Maccabaeus slay many in the name of his God?
@@st.christopher4854 Christ never once said in any of the Gospels, "I have come that all humanity might perish at the swords of tyrants." I am constantly surprised that so many who call themselves Christ-ians are so focused on the Old Testament to the point many seem to be unaquainted with what Christ taught in the Gospels.
At the last supper Christ initiated the New Covenant. He put everything to do with the history of the followers of Moses, none of whom could fulfill the commandments given them by God perfectly, though some came close, solidly in the past.
He fulfilled his mission. For if he had not no one on earth would know who Christ was, and still is to this day.
I don't expect my words here to have the slightest interest to you. But, I do strongly hope you open the Gospels and putting all previous thoughts aside simply listen with your heart to Christ's voice. There is no other like it in the entire history of mankind.
The vast majority of people on earth who historically worshipped Christ were illiterate and so could not read and, thus, feel Christ's words for themselves. That left the door open for centuries of despots disguised as God’s chosen rulers on earth.
We are seeing a live rerun of the same arrogant, greedy, murderous, tyrannical destruction of human life being perpetrated by Putin in Ukraine over the past year as was the case for millennia before and over 100 centuries since Christ walked among us.
Humanity is blessed by the Creator of all things with cognizance, freewill, self-determination. The Creator’s gifts are so abundant, so eternal that even when we fail to use our God-given blessings as well as we should life is still renewed, still eternally prolific. We have but to open our eyes, ears, hearts, and minds and fulfill Christ's teachings and intentions to realize the kingdom of heaven on earth as Christ intends. Matthew 25:31-46 explains in words anyone can understand how we open the door to the kingdom of heaven on earth.
@@chrisgreco4249
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thes 5:3
@@st.christopher4854 Nothing Paul wrote to the early Christians should be construed to be above Christ. Dire predictions of the end of the world teach us nothing about how to live according to Christ's words.
If the evil deeds of arrogant tyrants were going to end all human life as we know it the previous 180 centuries of rule by despots were far more violent, far more destructive of innocent life, far more corrupt in every way than the last 300 years of human history.
If siting portentous warnings from the bible seems enlightening, then please read what Christ actually taught. "I am the Truth, the Light, and the Way."
@@chrisgreco4249
St. Paul said his word was taken as God's word by the Thessalonians and St. Peter in his second epistle also says that St. Paul's letters were scripture. Jesus gave to his Apostles authority. And St. Paul begins his teaching in 1 Thessalonians 4 as "this we say unto you by the word of the Lord." 1 Thes 4:15
Well, I don't know about Constantine or the donkey he rode in on, but Isaiah 48:16-17 [KJV] convinces me that my God is triune. Even so, God has said that He made man in His image and likeness Gen 1:26 [KJV]and in 1 Thes 5:23[KJV] God thru Paul tells me that I have a spirit, a soul and a body. Now, if I have these characteristics / compositions, why should I be so curmudgeonly as to deny them to my God who by His grace made me in HIS LIKENESS & IMAGE ?
Jesus had invented Trinity when he always refer to the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit! The disciples did not realize that Jesus was the 2nd person in the Trinity and they believe Jesus wholeheartedly as God.
No he didnt . Jesus and apostles didn't teach the trinity
They didnt think once to add any pagan teachings to there biblical truth
@@AstariahJW your ignorance is overwhelming: Jesus claimed God's" I am " for himself
@@davidjanbaz7728 oh thanks :).
But did you know that I AM is a mistranslation and poor grammar?
The Jews question his age . Got nothing to do with a title
Jesus told them the truth that he existed in heaven before abraham was born
So an accurate translation is before abraham was I have been or I was
So According to your poor understanding what jesus was saying before abraham was Jehovah
Since you think jesus was claiming to be the I Am as Jehovah God
@@AstariahJW Titus 2:13. "Theos kai hamone sotare Iseous Christos" which is "God and our Savior Jesus Christ in the Greek.
Also, Christ is the Word of God. See Revelation 9:13 then look at John 1:1-5.
Technically, he didn't invent the Trinity, He just is.
*Genesis 2:24*
_That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become ONE flesh._
Q. What does ONE mean?
_this is not about sex! A man does not stop having sex with his parents to have sex with his wife_
Q. Then what does ONE mean? Now apply that to GOD.
Two individual becoming ONE in a bond of union.
Just like Jesus and God. Jesus and his disciples.
Jesus in prayer to his God says concerning all his disciples:
John 17:22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one,
Loved the content. It’s very much along the same lines as I try to present in my channel. I’d love to get your permission to reference and use clips from this video.
Thanks for asking, could we discuss this via email?
1 Peter 3:15: "but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you;"
Please answer two simple multiple choice questions:
In the context of what Paul wrote:
1) Who would most likely kill Jesus just for looking like, and believed to be just a human as related in the Kenosis Hymnal in Philippians? In other words who would find it a crime just for looking like, and believed to be human that's punishable by death?
Philippians 2:7-8
NRSV
"but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death - even death on a cross."
YLT
"but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made, and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,"
A) Romans B) Jews C) Romans & Jews D) Satan
In the context of what Paul wrote:
2) Who would most likely not kill Jesus if was made known to them (without a doubt) that killing Jesus would fulfill God's preordained secret plan for mankinds salvation as per God's will? In other words who would be against eternal life for humans in that they would not follow through in killing Jesus because it would give said humans a chance at immortality?
Note: Rulers of this Age (Principalities); Rulers of the Earth realm is interchangeable with rulers of the spiritual realm to the ancient reader.
1 Corinthians 2:6-8
NRSV
"Yet among the mature we do speak wisdom, though it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to perish. But we speak God's wisdom, secret and hidden, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."
YLT
"And wisdom we speak among the perfect, and wisdom not of this age, nor of the rulers of this age -- of those becoming useless, but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory, which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified;"
A) Romans B) Jews C) Romans & Jews D) Satan
Taking these verses all together; We have Jesus not taking equality with the Father, but lowered himsellf taking on a flesh disguise, and ventured where it is a crime punishable by death for being a human. In this same place (Paul does not say where) of being found in human form whoever it is would not kill Jesus if it was made known to them. Whoever it is does not want the gift of immortality for mankind from the Creator. Who best describes killing humans on site, and not wanting eternal life for them?
Jews/Romans: Did they go around enforcing death sentences for the crime of looking like a flesh & blood human? If they were made known with no doubt, and whatever misconceptions they had were corrected of the plan of the Highest God (note: Romans seen their highest God Jupiter & the Jewish God Yahweh as the same deity, but they worshipped it differently)? Would they be for their own destruction, or for their own immortality (a gift from an all loving God)?
Satan: Would Satan attack flesh, and, or kill a human? Would Satan be against humans gaining a chance at immortality?
Take note:
1 Cor. 5:5 "5 you are to hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord."
2 Cor. 12:7bc "7 Therefore, to keep me from being too elated, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me, to keep me from being too elated."
Gal. 4:3 "So with us; while we were minors, we were enslaved to the elemental spirits of the world."
Gal. 4:9 "Now, however, that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits? How can you want to be enslaved to them again?")
Psa. 78:49 "49 He let loose on them his fierce anger, wrath, indignation, and distress, a company of destroying angels."
Job 1:7 "7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."'
Why didnt Jesus show up to the council of Nicaea? He apparently revealed himself to Paul, why not all the members of the council?
As such, General, Herod maintained to the trio that in the new, overarching Kingdom of Israel, he was going to be the emperor and would be based in Jerusalem. Just like the Greek empire of Alexander had been a triarchy (a kingdom divided into three governments), the global Kingdom of Israel (�Thy Kingdom Come� in the Lord�s Prayer) was going to be likewise.
There was going to be a ruler in the east, a ruler in the west, and a ruler in the centre, that is Jerusalem, under the oversight of Herod himself. Hillel would rule in Jerusalem; Menahem in the east; and Jacob-Eliakim in the west. If these three happened to have disappeared from the Earthly scene by the time the Kingdom of Israel came into being, their descendants would observe the same setup.
The pecking order would thus be like this: Herod as the emperor; Hillel as the senior king; Menahem as the second-ranked king; and Jacob-Eliakim as the junior king. Put differently, Herod had by the stroke of a pen reduced the Davidic dynasty from foremost to least important as it posed the most serious threat to his office. Meanwhile, the three kings-in-waiting would go by the names of the Old Testament patriarchs.
Hillel would henceforth be called the Abraham, or the Father (or Papa, which later morphed into Pope), since Abraham was the Father of the Jewish nation; Menahem would be called the Isaac (Abraham�s son); and Eliakim the Jacob (Isaac�s son). Half a loaf was better than nothing at all and so Jacob-Eliakim meekly accepted this arrangement.
When Jesus later said, �Many will come from east and west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the new Kingdom of Heaven (MATTHEW 8:11),� he did not mean an afterlife kingdom: he referred to the Earthly setup proposed by King Herod.". Benson Saili
Yeah..bs
Matthew 8:11 But I tell you that many from east and west will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of the heavens;
12 WHEREAS the sons of the Kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”
“The sons of the kingdom . . . thrown into the darkness outside” are natural Jews who do not accept the opportunity offered first to them of being rulers with Christ. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob represent God’s Kingdom arrangement. Thus Jesus is relating how Gentiles will be welcomed to recline at the heavenly table, as it were, “in the kingdom of the heavens.” Luke 7:1-10; Matthew 8:5-13; Acts 10:28.
God's Kingdom was only set up in 1914.
(Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,
The last world power was the Anglo-American one. God sets up his Kingdom while this last world power was at its peak.
@@tongakhan230 The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the 63rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23, 1913. The law created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States.
With respect. Since Israel does not exist anymore, how can there be any prophecies about it?
In Jesus' time Israel did not even exist. Only Judah did. That too was abandoned by God after it produced the Messiah.
(Jeremiah 12:7) “I have abandoned my house; I have deserted my inheritance. I have given my dearly beloved one into the hand of her enemies.
Compare Jesus' words at Matthew 23:37,39.
The Kingdom of the Heavens is God's Government in the hand of Jesus to bring this earth back to a paradise state (cf Revelation 21:3,4).
It is already active with Jesus being involved in Micah 4:1-5. The complete take over of this earth and the cleaning of it of all the undesirables is shortly to happen. (Psalms 37:10,11, Daniel 12:1).
Jesus taught his disciples to pray:
'Let your Kingdom COME' - Matthew 6:10.
It was a future event.
@@tongakhan230 I do not wish to change anyone's mind I merely mentioned Herod's idea of a trinity, to deify himself.
How sad that even Christians live in ignorance of the deepest most essential truth of our faith and flaunt it to mislead others. Triune God IS THE TRUE GOD.,
True Christians KNOW who God is. They also KNOW who Jesus is.
They do not confuse one with the other.
Christians are WORSHIPERS of God. But DISCIPLES of Jesus.
No one can become a disciple of God.
Just a thought.
There are no three Gods no matter how they twist it.
The fact you speak of three persons or three essences is proof you don't have one God.
If God is one, you should be able to replace any name or title of God with he word God in a text and the text should flow.
Yahweh says do not eat pork. You can replace it and get God says do not eat pork. It flows and makes sense.
Do this in John 14 for example and you end up with a mess and we see you don't have one God. All it took was doing this basic reading trick in verse 1.
God is saying the people already believe in God but must ALSO believe in God.
This shows that they aren't the same God. If you already believed in the One God , you would not need to believe in another by definition of the word One.
@@salman13 God the creator is one and only.
@@Mwendatezicomm I know and believe that. Christians don't.
God says he is one. A simple statement easy to understand but Christians make it one in three nature's or essense.
The minute you need three distinct persons to describe one God, regardless of the claim of monothiesm, it's not monotheism.
@@salman13 That's pure idolatry.
@@Mwendatezicomm that's Christianity for you.
Interesting video in how it shows beliefs from some of the early Christians. However, do they agree with the scriptures? Does the Bible really support the trinity concept? We already know that the spirit of apostasy was already working even in the days of the apostles.
The Emperor, Constantine, started the Christian religion, the result was the official start religion of Rome, and prayed in the farther, son and holy spirit, making the sign of the cross, that resulted in the believe of the trinity. That is not in the scriptures.
It's more complicated. Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicsm butted heads about Christian dogma. This was a big reason for the Crusades - and I found this surprising myself - it was more about Rome versus Orthodoxy and not Rome versus Islam. "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco details it. (The book not the movie.)
@@marcietownsend3635 You are right, but this does not change what the trinity started at that time, and the Roman catholic church, that God is three persons, If God is three persons, we can not be in God's image. And the scriptures says that Jesus christ and the father is in in bodily form, as the one person as the one and only true living God who became flesh and dwelled with man, and created man in his image.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 The Bible is a collection of traditions, political ideology and occult histories. Understanding how dogma was created allows us to potentially grasp what was the intention of these beings on Earth.
@@marcietownsend3635 tell us what you believe in and who or what, we know that we believe in, So please tell us.
The Da Vinci Code says that Jesus and Mary Madlene were married
Isaiah 9:6 " For unto us a child is born , unto us a Son is given , and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful , Counsellor , The Mighty God , The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace " Jesus
Are you saying this verse supports that Jesus is God the Father?
Jesus is the Son of God the Father. He is divine by nature, by inheritance. Jesus is my God. He is my "father" as the second Adam. But He is not His Father's God. I reject anything trinitarian or triune. It can not be supported by scripture.
@@Want2cJesus No I don't believe that Isaiah is saying that Jesus is his own Father . This verse tells us that The Holy Spirit told Isaiah about what was coming in the future , that God Almighty was going to send his one and only Son to be the Savior of the world and he would be victorious . Jesus is everything that Isiah 9:6 declares him to be .
El Shaddai is too complex for us to ever understand on this side of eternity. The word trinity , meaning three in one is not in The Bible , but The Father , Son , and Holy Spirit are
@jwsanders1214
I agree, brother. However, the Scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and His literal Son. I do not find scriptural evidence for a 3rd being. I pray to the Father in Jesus' name for their spirit.
Matthew 28 ..... Baptizing them in The NAME of The Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit ....
John 16:7 " Nevertheless I tell you it is expedient for you that I go away , for if I go not away the comforter will not come to you ,but if I go away i will send him to you "
Notice that Jesus ALWAYS < WITHOUT EXCEPTION CALLS THE HOLY SPIRIT He NEVER it
Its the same way in Greek .
What is the NAME of The Father , Son , and Holy Spirit ?
What is the Name above all names ?
The ONLY name given among men by which we can be saved ? @@Want2cJesus
Don’t like what Isaiah says about Jesus ? @@Want2cJesus
Very well put.
Having read the bible from Genesis to Romans as a 12 year old, I only had to read the first Chapter of the Holy Quran (Al Fatiha) and I was convinced.
Just wondering why so called curious individuals fail to read the last testament. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter.
Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adultery, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society. You would definitely be xenophobic Islamophobic nuts if you disagreed with that.
Believing in GOD almighty will instantly eliminate there ills of the western societies of godlessness. Islam is everything you Christian want Christianity to be. Islam is the only religion in the world that doesn't use/defame other religions to prove itself right. It is the only religion that actually asks you to seek knowledge. Persons swimming in truth will never drown in ignorance. The ink of a scholar is more sacred than the blood of a martyr, Muslims believe. There is only one Devine religion, the fastest growing one. The more you attack it, the faster it grows.
One million Americans have converted to Islam since the beginning of the century. Fifty thousand Americans convert to Islam every year. There are currently more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in many European capitals, notably London. Muhammad has become the most popular newborn male name in England. Many churches have been converted to mosques in America and Europe. The same spread of information that caused the adoption of Protestantism in the middle ages is fueling the spread of Islam in the current age. Get ready for the day your children or grandchildren telling you that they have reverted to their natural state of submission to their creator God, a state called Islam.
Muslims don't reject Jesus, peace be upon him. They accept all prophets staring with Adam, through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Moses, Jesus and ending with Muhammad, PBUT. They reject the Roman pagan polytheistic religion promoted by Paul and Rome behind him. It is very easy to learn the truth. Jesus taught submission to one God, Islam. He was indeed a Muslim prophet. In his second coming, he will establish the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Islam.
Roman pagan polytheistic religion under a new management, that’s what man-made St. Paulism is. All its beliefs, practices, ceremonies, holidays, religious figures all are authentically pagan.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
Luke 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Matthew 21:11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”
John 4:19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet.
Matthew 21:46 "And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds because they held him to be a prophet".
Acts 2:22 says, "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you by the miracles, wonders, and signs he did through Jesus. You all know this, because it happened right here among you"
Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one
Constantine did not change the truth of Trinity. When Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Old testament was Constantine saw him? We see the plural term of God Elohim. God said, let Us make man in our image. ( Genesis 1:1-3, 26, 27 ).
It’s a remnant of the Mesopotamian myths that were copied and altered into a monotheistic narrative. El was a Midianite deity that had a family, Yahweh (the god of the Bible) was one of his sons and Jacob was his portion of the earth Deuteronomy 32:9
If God is some Trinity of persons and humans are made in his image, shouldn't all humans be schizophrenic?
Schizophrenia is a mental illness according to Medical Science.
God was obviously talking to someone.
Colossians 1:15 (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created THROUGH HIM and for him.
There is Trinity right from the beginning of the Bible.
Jesus mentioned father, son and holy spirit.
no my friend. Father Son Holy Spirit are not separate persons, but rather separate manifestations of the 1 true God. In a word, Jesus said God is Spirit. We also know that the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit are used interchangeably (makes sense there is only 1 Spirit) thus Christ is the Spirit embodied. When Jesus said "HE" would raise His body, who is the "He" here? Well obviously the Spirit of Christ / Holy Spirit. Notice in this single verse ( There are many more but this suffices to make the point ) that Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I" and not "He." This alone refutes the idea that Christ and the Spirit are separate persons. Instead understand that Christ is both fully man fully God, Spirit and Flesh. The Son relates to Christ's human nature, the Father to Christ's indwelled Spirit, thus we have Father and Son encompassed in 1 person. The flesh in submission and obedience to the Spirit, the Son in communion with the Father.
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@@JoshuaHults based and truth pilled
God is one being. He has no “other” manifestations and he would certainly never appear on earth as a man numbers 23:19 1 Samuel 15:29
@@nickc9223 Bold of you to put limits on God. He can do anything, especially if He deems it necessary.
@@nickc9223 oh really now? "Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by."
"The men turned from there, and went toward Sodom, but Abraham stood yet before Yahweh."
"Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the sky."
Note that it was YHWH who appeared as a man. Note it was YHWH who destroyed Sodom. Note Jesus was a man and attributed the titles of YHWH to Himself. Note how silly you are.
Citing Christian patristic tradition to prove the authenticity of the dogma of the Trinity above and against the plain teachings of the Hebrew prophets , Christ and the Apostles is the sure way to perdition. The Holy Bible is quite very specific regarding the precise personality of the only true God , Jesus mentioned in His prayer that the Father is the ONLY true God ( John 17:3) which the apostle Paul confirmed to be their ONE God , the Father (1 Cor. 8:6). It does not matter how high the political position of WHO enforced that teaching or how many church fathers taught it or how many bishops approved in which council if that trinity teachings LACKED BIBLICAL SUPPORT
Thank you so much.
Tertullian was the one who taught the trinity. Which dates back to the 2nd Century AD. Therefore when many atheist and Muslim say that "it was at the Council of nicaea 325 ad it was declared Jesus Christ Divine" is absolutely false
cannot imagine going to toilet with the man worshipped a few minutes earlier
Why?
If you Knew, Jesus Christ, you would Praise His Mighty Name !
Like how Christians say, “Jesus is Alive” and Until you’ve made Claims to these Words, Jesus Christ, is UNKNOWN to you !
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Knocks at your Door !
Let Him In !!!
Father, *Word* , Holy Spirit makes it clear.
tHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A HOLY SPIRIT
Read Surah Iklas in Quran, 4 sentences God is only 1, He begets not, Nor is he begotten, And there is nothing comparable to Him. Saying Trinity is Blasphemous.
@@garystanfield2274 is there an unholy spirit? satan who comes to KILL STEAL DESTROY? Read the Words of Jesus in John 10:10.
The LORD JESUS told us that He will come again as The HOLY SPIRIT - read John 14:16-20. The Sons of GOD are Led by His Spirit in real time by their inner Peace. He is Our Peace - Ephesians 2:14
@@benharis1956 Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@alanx4121 Cut & Paste. Lol.
Here are Bible verses showing there are two: the Father, and Jesus:
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
2 John 9 is similar:
■ "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."
■ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
■ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
Only the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the opening greetings of the epistles:
■ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ”
(Paul, in Romans 1:7)
■ “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:3)
■ “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
(John, in 2 John 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 1:2)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2)
■ "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:2)
■ "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Colossians 1:2)
■ "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 1:1)
■ "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:2)
■ "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 1:4)
■ "Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philemon 1:3)
■ "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" (2 Peter 1:2)
The only persons mentioned were the Father, and Jesus. Can we be honest enough to admit there is *_nothing_* to suggest a Trinity - *_three persons_* - in these greetings?
There are many similar statements, mentioning only the Father and Jesus. Here are a few of them:
■ “Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Ephesians 6:23)
■ “Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.”
(1 Thessalonians 3:11)
■ “Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.”
(2 Thessalonians 2:16,17)
■ “Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.”
(1 John 2:24)
■ “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”
(1 John 1:3)
■ “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his”
(Romans 8:9)
I would be careful about denying the Holy Spirit of the Living God. In Luke 12:10 Jesus Himself states that if anyone says a word against Him it will be forgiven but if anyone blaspheme the Holy Ghost it will not be forgiven in this life or the next. Truly it is a terrible thing to fall into the hand of the Living God.
@@johnwolff3562 As if I were denying the holy spirit . . . Jesus and the Father are holy, and are spirit. When they dwell in us, we have holy spirit dwelling in us . . . not a third person.
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
@TheBibleSays 1 John 5:7 there are 3 that bare record & these 3 are 1. It seems to me that if you have any one of these you have the other 2 as well
if they are 1.
@@johnwolff3562 There are a few verses trinitarians often present as evidence of a trinity. Here's 1 John 5:7,8:
■ "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5:7,8)
The phrase "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" could be taken as evidence of a trinity, especially if you have already been taught there is a trinity. But that passage has questionable origin. Later Latin texts have those words, but early Greek texts do not. This caused great controversy back in the early 1500s as translators sought texts to translate into German and English. Look up the "Johannine Comma" ("comma" referring to that phrase) to get the detail on that controversy. Many translations today - being based on earlier Greek texts - do not include "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost." The RSV and ASV are examples:
RSV:
■ "And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree." (1 John 5:7,8)
ASV:
■ "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one." (1 John 5:7,8)
Well, I sincerely thank you for your teaching and I pray that God will bless you, In the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost (even as you were baptized, I hope).
Eusebius the priest that baptized King Constantine I did not believe in the Trinity. The followers of Arius did not accept the Trinity. Even Constantine’s sons did not accept the Trinity.
Was Eusebius an Arian?
Eusebius
was an Arian priest who baptized Constantine the Great on his deathbed in 337.
Some of Constantine’s sons were also followers of Arius.
So what exactly is your argument ? I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. The video never said that nobody denied the trinity. It said over 600 leading people of the church came together to summarize and accept what’s been believed in already (and that’s what the Bible tells us) as he stated a ton of sources of people talking about the trinity before that council and before Constantine.
I doubt if it was a full water immersion baptism , it was a token baptism on his death bed ? It was a fake baptism with a pagan emperor who encompasses different religions in the Roman Empire .
If you're interested in delving a little deeper into the history of the development of Christian doctrines concerning the Trinity, you may wish to listen to a series of podcasts on early church history by Rev. Alan Strange, my church history professor. You can find them here:
www.midamerica.edu/podcasts/mid-america-reformed-seminarys-round-table/188/164-the-first-council-of-constantinople
www.midamerica.edu/podcasts/mid-america-reformed-seminarys-round-table/168/148-the-arian-controversy
www.midamerica.edu/podcasts/mid-america-reformed-seminarys-round-table/165/145-the-apostolic-fathers
www.midamerica.edu/podcasts/mid-america-reformed-seminarys-round-table
Muhammad copied books of Bible and made Quran
He married many to protect them
He killed many as they were bad
So he added polygamy and jihad in Quran
Jesus is the only way.
In the last days many logical men will come with wrong understanding and many will fall
Pray nonstop till you know who is God
Why are you encouraging people to listen to nonsense instead to read their Bible ? The Bible is the source of living water, and you send people to drink from cisterns of broken water. Be careful what you are doing! The Prophet Jeremiah will tell you the same thing !
THE PAGAN WORD "TRINITY"
“The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis, being the first one. Semiramis demanded worship for both her husband and her son as well as herself. She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son. Yes, he was “god the father” and “god the son” - The first divine incomprehensible trinity.” - The Two Babylons; Alexander Hislop, p.51Alexander Hislop, p.51
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"TRINITY" comes from paganism.
Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis;
The first trinity,Nimrod started the pagan religions, so they all started with him.
The Trinity doctrine did not enter Christianity until the 300's when Christianity was created by Constantine
"TRINITY" comes from paganism. The Trinity doctrine did not enter Christianity until the 300's. “The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis.
Perhaps, however, the indebtedness of Christian theological theory to ancient Egyptian dogma is nowhere more striking than in the doctrine of the Trinity. The very terms used of it by Christian theologians meet us again in the inscriptions and papyri of Egypt.
Originally the Trinity was a triad like those we find in the Babylonian mythology. The triad consisted of a divine father, wife, and son. The father became the son and the son the father through all time, and of both alike the mother was but another form."
Most of Christianity teaches a Trinity doctrine that the trinity is 3 persons, the Father, Son and Spirit. In that case there should also be 3 thrones, yet scriptures teach that there is only one throne.
Psalms 47:8 Yahweh reigns over the nations; Yahweh sits on his righteous throne.
Isaiah6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the House.
Revelation 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.
Revelation 3:21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Revelation 3:24 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Psalms 11:4 Yahweh is in his righteous House; Yahweh's throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man.
Revelation 22:1 Then the Messenger showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Just One Throne.
"The Puranas, one of the Hindu Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.' "Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383). Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are not deities different from Shiva, but rather are forms of Shiva. As Brahma/Sadyojata, Shiva creates. As Vishnu/Vamadeva, Shiva preserves. As Rudra/Aghora, he dissolves. An old passage states that “..Brahma is One, yet includes His brother. Vishnu is One, yet existeth not apart from His brother, younger in point of time yet older far. Shiva is One, and antedates Them both, yet He appeareth not nor is He seen, until They both have cycled through Their courses…." Egypt "The Hymn to Amun decreed that 'No god came into being before him (Amun)' and that 'All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, and there is no second to them. Hidden is his name as Amon, he is Re in face, and his body is Ptah.' . . . This is a statement of trinity, the three chief gods of Egypt subsumed into one of them, Amon. Clearly, the concept of organic unity within plurality got an extraordinary boost with this formulation. Theologically, in a crude form it came strikingly close to the later Christian form of plural Trinitarian monotheism" (Simson Najovits, Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. 2, 2004, pp. 83-84).
"TRINITY" comes from paganism. Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis; The first trinity Nimrod started the pagan religions, so they all started with him. Nimrod is the one who started pagan religions and the Trinity belief goes back to him, He turned his back on Yahweh and became the first False Messiah as Sol the Sun, that went by many different other names after the Tower of Babel, from the many cultures that came from Yahweh changing their languages and dispersing them,starting new cultures and beliefs.. The Trinity doctrine did not enter Christianity until the 300's. Ancient religions had triple deities:
Wicca triple goddesses Maiden, Mother, Crone.
Greeks Zeus, Posiedon and Hades
Is there a Trinity in Greek mythology?
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The Greek trinity and the distribution of the three kingdoms of the Earth: Zeus God (Heaven), Poseidon (Seas and oceans) and Hades (Underworld). Theos (minor gods) are the children of this trinity.
Romans Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto.
Hindu's Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. This one goes along with the beginning Hindu information.
Norse Odin, Vili and Ve.
Toaist
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The first Pure One is universal or heavenly chi. The second Pure One is human plane chi, and the third Pure One is earth chi. Worship for the Taoist Trinity dates back to the 4th century.
Egyptians Isis, Horus and Seth. -- IHS is a popular Latinized monogram acronym from the Roman 3rd Century
Trinity: The oldest creed that Egypt had known for thousands of years was based on the Holy Trinity, the Father God Osiris, the Mother Goddess Isis, and the Son Horus, whom Isis bore without defiling herself.
Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis, the divine child of the holy family triad. He is one of many gods associated with the falcon. His name means "he who is above" and "he who is distant".
The SPIRIT is the FATHER. So, that takes care of FATHER and SPIRIT. The SON is the FLESH that the FATHER put Himself (who is Spirit) into FULLY.
John 14:16-20 - In these verses he is saying that he is the Spirit.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [ HE IS SAYING HERE, THAT HE IS THE SPIRIT ]
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty One, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The King of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty One, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The King of Peace.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Spirit.
In the NAME not NAMES of the Father, Son and Spirit.
HE IS THE FATHER, HE IS THE SON, HE IS THE SPIRIT, HE IS ONE, MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit: and these three are one.
This above verse goes right along with Matthew 28:19 above this verse.
It does not promote a TRINITY, Christianity did that. Yahweh the Father is Spirit, so that takes care of Father and Spirit; the SON / FLESH / WORD, Yahweh put Himself into the FLESH fully. The name people were baptized into was YAHWEH. Father, Son, Spirit are offices of Yahweh, the name never changes only the office. Yahweh is not a Trinity, but ONE. SELF-SAME-SPIRIT, SELF SAME HIMSELF. Thus, you have YAHWEH MESSIAH, YAHWEH the FATHER which is SPIRIT in the FLESH. Yahweh is ONE, not a TRINITY. He put on the FLESH to dwell among men and to become the offered Lamb. He revealed Himself through the FLESH and the SPIRIT.
Trinity, Godhead, same thing.
MAYBE WITH 2 IT WILL SINK IN.
@@garystanfield2274 Make the two ONE
@@ryandavis394 YAHWEH IS ONE
@Gary Stanfield Yahweh is the leader of the Eloyin the Angels they call him General Yahweh.There is only one Supreme Creator of all, and EVERYTHING no one know his name for it is utterbale.He is within all and is everything.He cannot be detected by any sense of the word,seen,smelt,heard etc . He is the great IAM. He is beyond human comprehension. A certain G-d consiouness person will be endowed with his power.
So you’re saying, God used a non-Christian pagan to settle such an important matter? Seems to me that God settled the matter with his own words in the Bible. Nowhere does it say anything about a trinity, never did Jesus say he was God or equal to God, in fact, he even said that the father was greater than he, I think a lot of Christians should take a closer look at this doctrine. A doctrine that was not taught by the apostles or the first century Christian congregation, and doesn’t gain traction until after all the apostles were gone.
Thanks for the instructive video. People continue to believe what they want to believe in spite of facts.
What facts?
@@a-train3503 Recorded history.
Recorded history already had the early church fathers discussing the Trinity and the perpetual virginity of Mary before Constantine if your only going to name the condemned groups that the early church before it became part of Rome like the Gnostics as your source they were only one cringe outcast group that was declared heretical before the Council of Nicea
@@marcietownsend3635 Satan comes as a angel of light!! Don't be fooled!! This guy only wants to tickle yours with nonsense and untruth. Trinity is false teaching!!
Facts! Let's see if you really have facts?
Provide us with clear and explicit biblical evidence in which your Christian trinity god declares himself by himself as being made up of 3 coequal yet distinct persons and names them all by himself?
If you know the Old Testament, the trinity is from the beginning.
Can you explain the Cherubims and the Flaming Sword turning every way to keep the way of the tree of life.
Who is the flaming sword in the midst of the Cherubims. ?
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Matthew 10:32-34 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Above it stood the seraphims:
each one had six wings;
with twain he covered his face,
and with twain he covered his feet,
and with twain he did fly.
Isaiah 6:1-3 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Tell me , when Abram spoke to the LORD before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He saw three persons .
Two left of toward Sodom and Gomorrah wich Lot met as two angels .
Abram reasoned with the third one as the Lord that was nothing but Ash and dust. Yet he saw a figure like a man ; that is of a angel .
Meaning this Angel speak not the mind of his own , but of him that speaketh.
Exodus 23:20-22 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
This very Angel is the pillar of fire in the evening and the pillar of Cloud in the morning.
Joshua 5:13-15 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Is this man the image after the likeness of God ???
Yes !!!!!!!
He became flesh again , and dwelled amongst us.
Hebrews 1:1-9 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
So , in short words .
The Word begot a earthy image first .
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
After he died as a human , he received a heavenly image as the invisible God in wich the LORD'S name is in.
He became flesh again as the very same image , after the likeness of the invisible God.
Called the Son of God, and named JESUS !!!!!!!!
AMEN !!!
MAY God bless !!!
Utter nonsense
Trinity is all over the old testament.
That’s what Christianity teaches
That's a lie read the scriptures carefully again. The scriptures is all about God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit belongs to them both.
@@NickSandt That's what the Bible Teaches.
It's not in the Original Testament.
@@goodcat1681 Where’s the Trinity in the Old Testament?
The council's decision on the trinity is very vague, that's why the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestants don't understand the trinity uniformly? All 3 have different interpretations.
Thank God you came to enlighten us, after 2000 years
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In the name of the father and the sun, Amen Ra 🙏
Constantine had absolutely nothing to do with the Council of Nicea other than calling the Bishops together. St. Lactantius attended this council and explains much of what happened including that Constantine said nothing and made no decisions but left it to the Bishops. Read St. Lactantius' "Divine Institutes" to know the truth about the Council of Nicea.
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Constantine presided over the Council in Nicea. When have pagans determined what Christians should believe? Constantine declared himself the Pope.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
This is Paul's prophecy which would take place after his death. Hence, the Trinity and other false doctrines of the Roman church.
Just some help.
@@tongakhan230, Constantine did not preside over the 1st Council of Nicaea nor did he ever declare himself to be the Pope. Constantine was never the Pope.
@@tongakhan230
Constantine was not a pagan, he was a Christian. Please don't believe modern lies, study history.
God bless
@@st.christopher4854 : Constantine couldn't become a Christian as Christianity died off after the death of the Apostles.
Constantine seemingly converted to Roman Catholism on his deathbed.
He was a pagan all his life.
Google and check. Wikipedia can help too.
Constantine went with Paul's covenant , which similar to the ancient pagan religions of the Romans & Greeks , of God having mothers & fathers & sons & daughters , Jesus is god & also the son of god , also the son of Abraham , David , Joseph & also the son of Mary , who is the mother & daughter of god , A man with no father , you gave him four ?
If one says there is no God head and just one or there is three limits God supernatural power. If God can be in the past,present and future should explain his power. I don't think we as simple minded humans can put a number on the God head as Paul explained in the book of Romans.
"True Salaam" did a great job showing one side of the doctrinal conflict that was SETTLED by Constantine by the Council of Nicea, by cherry-picking only writings representative of that one side. Obviously, there were church leaders who believed in the "trinity." Just as obviously, there were leaders who did not.
2 Corinthians 13:14,
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all." That settles it Constantine invented nothing.
You don't understand scripture!!
(2 Corinthians 13:14) The undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the sharing in the holy spirit be with all of you.
Mentioning three things or persons in one scripture makes it a Trinity??????
Isn't this a sign of desperation?
@@briankregg6329 You Sir are in denial. All I did was quote a passage that teaches the Trinity. And that passage is there for time and eternity.
@@tongakhan230 without question
@Rev. Stephen A. Cakouros but it doesn't, Paul by inspiration from God said, " but unto us there is but ONE GOD THE FATHER " 1 cor. 8:6
We have 1 GOD, John 17:3, deut. 6:4, Isaiah 45:5
We have 1 lord, Jesus Christ the son of God
God is a spirit and He is Holy
God isn't triune and He isn't 3 separate persons
We don't truly know how Christianity managed to become so powerful but the idea of morality and equality inside a BRUTALITY INHUMANE EMPIRE SUCH AS THE ROM BECAME EXTREMELY POPULAR...ESPECIALLY BY FEMALES.
Genesis 1:26
"Let US make man in OUR image": Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages: Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8. The unanimous opinion of the apostolic Fathers was that the Father was
talking to Jesus.
Genesis 19:24
"Then Yahweh [on earth in human form] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh [in spirit form in heaven] out of heaven. Genesis 19:24. In this text Abraham is visited by three individuals, one being Yahweh and
the other two angels. Here we have God on the earth (Jesus) and God in heaven (father) sending down fire from heaven. This incident when Abraham met with Yahweh God, is what Jesus referred to when he said, "Your father Abraham
rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." (John 8:56) The unanimous opinion of the apostolic Fathers was that Jesus visited Abraham in Genesis 18 and 19.
Isaiah 6
Isaiah saw the glory of Yahweh, but John says that Isaiah really saw the glory of Christ. This proves Jesus is Yahweh. Combine this with the fact the Yahweh said, "Who will go for US" is a plural pronoun indicating more than one
person in the Godhead.
Isaiah 40-55
Jesus echoes the "I AM" statements in Isaiah chapters 40-55. This spectacular link explores over 20 different passages in Isaiah and John.
Isaiah 45:23-24
I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. "They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and
strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him shall be put to shame.
Micah 5:2
But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.
Mark 2:5-12
Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 5:18
For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 8:58
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham
was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.
John 10:33
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. ... Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'?"
John 12:41 + Isaiah 6
A simple reading of the context of John 12 makes it clear that John is saying that Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus Christ himself in Isaiah 6. This proves Jesus is Yahweh.
John 19:7
The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."
Romans 14:11
For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God."
2 Corinthians 13:14; Philippians 2:1-2
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Philippians 2:6
"who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." (Philippians 2:6-8)
Philippians 2:9-11
"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue
should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Revelation 22:3
"And there shall no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His bond-servants shall [latreuo] serve Him." - Jesus worshipped in the highest sense of "latreuo".
This can all be settled with one question. Did the Apostles or believers in the New Testament believe, comprehend or even know anything about 3 separate Persons or were they Monotheistic? I know they never even heard of such a thing as a Trinity because the Apostles themselves would have crucified you if you even Blasphemed God like this. They were Monotheistic and understood God was manifested in the flesh. Why don’t you try reading historical records and see that it took 325yrs for the Catholic or Universal Church to pervert God into a Polytheistic God dividing him. And if you didn’t believe the Trinity you were killed or burned alive. All in the name of the Trinity. The Trinity Doctrine is so wicked it killed more true believers of Jesus than the Emperor NERO. All Religions that follow the Trinity fall under the Catholic umbrella of faith, remember this Harlot has many daughters and has deceived many. Many were burned alive for Baptism in Jesus name, o you didn’t know that they also changed at the same council the Baptism from the book of Acts which the Apostles baptized in to the titles Father, son, Holy Spirit to further influence their Doctrine, taking away the name above every name to measly titles that have no power at all to Remit sin. Acts 2: 38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:1-7
so we have to trust those people 's letters .. where did they get their believe from ! and what of those people before the trinity can't enter heaven ! they don't know the trinity ..
Not impossible to understand. A MAN can be a trinity. He can be a FATHER a SON and a HUBSAND........all in one and ALL at the same time with a different ROLE of being each one within that SAME one. The SUN is a trinity. It gives off LIGHT, HEAT and ELECTRICITY. All different roles and functions within the ONENESS.
A man can be more than one in position or work assignment. Never in personality.
If so, he will be called a schizophrenic. Which Medical Science calls a mental illness.
God created man in his image as a body, soul and spirit (breath of life) as one person with a name Adam, so if God is three persons we can not be in the image of God but in Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety (farther, son) lives in bodily form in the body of Jesus christ. Jesus christ gives direction to all things, created all things by him for him.
To say we’re made in God’s image doesn’t mean we look like him, and especially since Paul said in Phil 2 that Jesus was in the form of God, then took on the role of a servant in the likeness of man. He took that which he didn’t possess; which would include what he looks like by your interpretation.
Rather, to be in the image of God means that we reflect who he is and what he can do: I.e. we have emotions, free will, and can exercise things like rational, logic, and such.
@@andriod090 John 14:5-11 Jesus answered Thomas, I am the way the truth and the life,,,you know my father, you do know him and have seen him.,,,,and to Philip, Jesus said, after I've been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the farther. So God is in our image but in glorified form, as we are going to be with our lord one day. 🙏
GOD is Spirit - John 4:24. humans were created spirit, which is why animals are not spirit.
@@ktermalkut8332 spirit is the breath of life, Jesus Christ is in all things and created all things. By Him for him. And God has created man in his image, body soul and spirit, as one person, So God has a body/the lamb on the throne of God, and is the divine conscienceness and eternal spirit of life/living water of life, the breath of life.
@@andriod090 who is coming to judge the world with all his heavenly angels?
Bottom line is: The Trinity, or Godhead can be proven biblically. So I don't need history to teach me anything. The bible and the bible alone!
no my friend. Father Son Holy Spirit are not separate persons, but rather separate manifestations of the 1 true God. In a word, Jesus said God is Spirit. We also know that the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit are used interchangeably (makes sense there is only 1 Spirit) thus Christ is the Spirit embodied. When Jesus said "HE" would raise His body, who is the "He" here? Well obviously the Spirit of Christ / Holy Spirit. Notice in this single verse ( There are many more but this suffices to make the point ) that Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I" and not "He." This alone refutes the idea that Christ and the Spirit are separate persons. Instead understand that Christ is both fully man fully God, Spirit and Flesh. The Son relates to Christ's human nature, the Father to Christ's indwelled Spirit, thus we have Father and Son encompassed in 1 person. The flesh in submission and obedience to the Spirit, the Son in communion with the Father.
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Let this mind be in you which was in christ, who being in the form of God did not take it upon himself to be equal to god
Of course. All an invention of Constantine. The Pharisees didn’t accuse him on many occasions of claiming equality with God! 🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂
The Secretary of State is taking decisions that only the President should take.
Thus, the SoS is making himself EQUAL to the P.
They will always remain TWO SEPARATE INDIVIDUALS.
Making someone equal to and actually being that someone are two separate things. Also remember, the Jews were bringing FALSE CHARGES against Jesus.
Trust this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Of course, no problem calling yourself the Son Of God, when we know God doesn’t have true children and then calling God your father? But the true judge is what does the Father call you? Hebrews 1:8…. But unto the Son the father says “THY THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER “.. so the Father calls the Son GOD, and tells the Son it’s his Throne! Pretty open and shut case
@@tongakhan230 do we call the Secretary of State the President? Do we? NO, but the son is called God multiple times in scripture
@@glorytogod1973 : Where will God ever address anyone else as God? How many Gods are there?
Hebrews 1:8 was fist addressed to a Judean king. Paul ALSO applies it Jesus.
Psalms 45: 6 God is your throne forever and ever;
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness.
7 You loved righteousness, and you hated wickedness.
That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.
Note verse 7 which is also applied to Jesus at Hebrews 1:9.
(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation MORE THAN your companions.”
How does God have a God? Does God also have companion Gods?
How can God anoint himself?
Just taking a badly translated verse to come up with some agenda would mean conveniently ignoring all other scriptures.
Wouldn't that show desperation and not a desire for TRUTH.
@@glorytogod1973 : Show me a single instant in which Jesus calls himself God, Please!
The Jews also accused Jesus of being a blasphemer. Was he?
Jesus says He is the alpha and Omega, the almighty in the book of Revelation. This shows that Trinity is true.
May I ask where did Jesus ever claim to be Almighty?
Please read Revelation 1:1. God GAVE Jesus the Revelation. Why? Because only God knows the future. Jesus didn't.
How could Jesus become the very Almighty God who was GIVING him the Revelation while it was being given him?
@@tongakhan230 Incorrect, but I already know you are afraid to look at the truth and test your false claim.
Only those seeking the truth will find it, and we both know you are not seeking the truth.
@@follow_the_way : Please! I asked a question. If there is no answer please say 'I don't know'.
Making baseless accusation is not helpful.
What one referred to could be this:
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
The term Alpha and Omega appears only three times in the book of Revelation. It is not about Jesus. But God.
God gave Jesus the Revelation. So how can Jesus be Almighty if he didn't know the future. Here are Jesus' own words to show he is not Almighty.
Mark 13:32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven NOR THE SON, but the Father.
@@tongakhan230 When you say that you are willing to listen and answer some questions, then you you will find out that there is an answer.
Are you willing to answer some questions?
@@follow_the_way : Shouldn't it be the other way round.
People who claim to be Christian should be able to explain the scriptures to pagans.
I wouldn't ask questions as it might prove embarrassing. This being a public forum.
OK ask away. Please!
The Bible do not contain any explicit teachings about the trinity that is why there is a need to have a Nicean creed.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
That is how the Trinity got the 'Christian' tag.
Did you spot the typical Trin itarian sleight of hand? We begin by talking about the Trinity and whether the Emperor invented it. No one seriously claims this. But then comes the first misdirection : we go back to early sources that talk about the 'divinity' of Jesus. ( This is NOT the same as the Trinity. In the Greco- Roman world, any figure such as Jesus who had ascended to heaven would be viewed as a god. And did you notice how Pliny talked about Jesus? He talked about believers singing hymns "to Christ as to a god". Pliny was not a Cristian . He is simply writing about what has been reported.. But the phrase "to a god" only supports the idea of Jesus being divine in the Greco-Roman world view and has nothing to do with Jesus being part of a triune God.
Next we have the claims of Tertullian which are not regarded as authentic.
We follow this with selective quotes quotes from Ignatius. However, the presenter failed to point out that scholars believe that some of his letters are filled with interpolations and therefore the authenticity of some claims is disputed.
We then follow this with other selective quotes from various Church Fathers. The fact that these Logos theologians called Jesus 'God' should be taken in context. They believed Jesus to be the Logos, a secondary or lesser , intermediary God. Do you see the problem ? This is still not a triune God and yet their views are being used to support the Trinity. The fact is that all pre-Nicean Church Fathers were subordinationists and did not hold views in line with what the doctrine later became.
When it comes to the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, the presenter does admit that this was less refined - it wasn't even discussed at Nicea. But he fails to mention that these Church fathers were heavily influenced by pagan Greek philosophy in which they were schooled. All he has really shown is that views about the nature of Jesus and his relationship with God were evolving over time .
However, this is a far cry from claiming this was the view of the original disciples of Jesus back in the first century. There is an abundance of evidence from standard reference works and scholars that the doctrine of the Trinity is post-Apostolic and was not known by the NT writers.
Nice sleight of hand. But once you know how a magician does a trick, you don't get fooled again.
It's a shame people have to resort to extra biblical helenistic material to defend a non biblical theology, nowhere in scripture are we told to believe in a triune God, nowhere in scripture are we told to preach a triune God, what we do have is Jesus, by whose words we will be judged, preaching about the Father being His God, our God, and the only true God
Jesus tells you that he holds all the power in the universe . John tells you that Jesus is God Almighty and that Jesus created everything in existence
Constantine didn't invent the Trinity. There was already division as the debates between Tertullian and Sebellion demonstrates. Tertullian taking the Trinitarian side and Sebellion proclaiming the One God side. Constantine provided political pressure for the 325 AD Council of Nicea to decide. Of course it wasn't until years later that Constatine, himself was Baptized as a Trinitarian.
Wrong. Constantine was baptized as an Arian.
It's a historical fact that Constantine was baptized by an Arian. You lied.
1 Let us make man in our image, 2. I baptise u in the name of the Father,Son and the Holy Spirit 3 on Jesus baptism a dove appear overhead and a voice heard This is my Son....." some verses in the Bible
Did Jesus disciples baptise in the trinity formula?
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" Did Jesus disciples baptise in the trinity formula? "
If they obeyed God, they did. Note that they baptized in the NAME (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not the NAMES (plural) of... The three are the one God.
Could he count that high? Ps Jefferson and Franklin denied the Divinity.
The problem was when Arius was declared heretics all his theological writings were burned. had it not we could know his reasons about God and Jesus compared to the Trinity. But I believe what Arius asserted that Father God is unbegotten. He has no beginning; and Jesus has a beginning because he was begotten by Father God. we can read in the bible that Jesus was claimed begotten by God. If Jesus was begotten or generated from what substance was Jesus generated? the Bible is silent on this matter. But early Church fathers think that Jesus was of the same substance like father God. God Almighty was unbegotten. He was not generated as he has no beginning. No one knows if God was made of a substance or none.
It’s amazing and ironic to me how anyone could speak about the “empire” namely the Roman Empire, that crucified our lord, then believe that that same empire becomes the ultimate authority defining who our Messiah was ontologically, and then actually believe they got it right! Don’t you understand that the combination of church and state outside of Messiah’s rule is ALWAYS antichrist? The true ignorance of this video and “Protestants” defending a Roman Catholic formulation of God’s nature is equally as ironic! It honestly baffles my mind!
Honestly, I don’t care what early church fathers said. Their beliefs are just as valid as anyone else’s today. I mean think about it. Jesus said that after the death of the apostles that the church would go into an apostasy. You also had people quoting that Jesus was really just a spirit and not a real human. We see that called out in the Bible. So we can’t just assume because some people said somethings that it makes it a valid doctrine
Constantine the Great, was Roman emperor from AD 306 to 337, the first one to convert to Christianity in 320 AD. long after the Christian church confessed the Trinity. He had nothing to with that. It is a Bible concept The word "Trinity" comes from "Trinitas", a Latin abstract noun that most literally means "three-ness" (or "the property of occurring three at once"). Or, simply put, "three are one". The first recorded use of this Latin word was by Tertullian in about 200, to refer to Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or, in general, to any set of three things. ( Theophile of Antioch - 115-181 - introduced the word Trinity in his Book 2, chapter 15 on the creation of the 4th day).
The Greek term used for the Christian Trinity, "Τριάς" (a set of three or the number three), has given the English word triad. The Sanskrit words, "Trimurti or Trinatha," has a similar meaning, as has "Dreifaltigkeit" in German, and many other words in other languages.
The New Testament does not use the word "Τριάς" (Trinity), but only speaks of God (often called "the Father"), of Jesus Christ (often called "the Son"), and of the Holy Spirit, and of the relationships between them. The word "Trinity" began to be applied to them only in the course of later theological reflection.
The earliest Christians were noted for their insistence on the existence of one true God, in contrast to the polytheism of the prevailing culture. While maintaining strict monotheism, they believed also that the man Jesus Christ was at the same time something more than a man (a belief reflected, for instance, in the opening verses of the Letter to the Hebrews, which describe him as the brightness of God's glory and bearing the express image of God's own being, and, yet more explicitly, in the prologue of the Gospel according to John) and also with the implications of the presence and power of God that they believed was among them and that they referred to as the Holy Spirit. The Epistle to the Colossians further states that "in [Jesus] lives all the fullness of Deity bodily" ( Colossians 2:9).
The importance for the first Christians of their faith in God, whom they called Father, in Jesus Christ, whom they saw as the Son of God, the Word of God (Gospel of John), King, Saviour (Martyrdom of Polycarp), Master (First Apology of Justin Martyr), and in the Holy Spirit is expressed in formulas that link all three together, such as those in the Gospel according to Matthew, the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" ( Matthew 28:19); and in the Second Letter of St Paul to the Corinthians: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" ( 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Constantine presided over a Council of Nicea which made the Trinity official church doctrine. He was a pagan at that time.
Here is Paul's prophecy.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
The mention of three persons or three things in one sentence doesn't make them a Trinity.
Matthew 17:1 Six days later Jesus took PETER and JAMES and his brother JOHN along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves.
@@tongakhan230 To understand the Trinity you need a relationship with Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Without that you are like the Pharisees. When they understood that Jesus made the Claim to be Deity [GOD] they took up stones. However they could not stone Him because His time to DIE had not come yet. Later they shouted Crucify Him. They were Blinded like all who deny Jesus as the Son Of God and ONE with the Father. The Trinity does not come from the counsel of Nicea it comes from Scripture. Jesus says it. John 10: 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself GOD. That is what you too are doing. I could tell you Tonga where those Pharisees are now, but I want you to figure that out yourself.
@@MariusVanWoerden : The Jews were not that crazy to believe a man could be God. They FALSELY ACCUSED Jesus of making himself into a god.
Jesus responds. If human Judges are called gods at Psalms 82:1,6 what is wrong with me claiming to be GOD'S SON. - JOHN 10:34-36.
Note Jesus' response. Did he say that he was God or God's SON?
Here is a simple unambiguous scientific statement.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME'. - 1 John 4 :12,20
Jesus was definitely seen. What is the logical?
@@tongakhan230 I have no illusions that I can convince you. There is more needed than that. This Scripture is clear about that. Jesus never said No Peter the people are right you have the wrong idea about me. Also Jesus said MY CHURCH not yahweh's church Matthew 16: 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” 14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” This also is my last reply and I will not read more of yours. I hope you come to the knowledge of the Truth. Jesus said If you have seen me you have seen the Father. So according to you Jesus was a Blasphemer.
@@MariusVanWoerden : Try reading Matthew 16:18 carefully and let me know what Jesus prophesied in it. That is, if interested.
God the Farther God the Son God the Holy Spirit. Everything else was created by Them. Is the creation wiser than the Creator.
Jesus told all secrets to his apostles, Matthew 13:10-11 Mark, 4:34, When they start preaching they dont hesitate to say that the God of our forefather raised Jesus from the grave,,,Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7 /2nd, kings, 5:7, Acts, 5:28:31, so, books, and whatever references the christian theoligist have, had nothing to do with the paddles and fishnet of the apostles, trinity is wrong,
Edict of Thessalonica forced all to accept the trinity by threat of the Roman swords in 380 A.D. and its a product of Theodosius I.
Romans who recognize the diety of Jesus places him among a pantheon of gods for the Romans. it is NOT saying Jesus is part of the One creator God as they did not have that kind of philosophy.
The concept of the Trinity is taken from scriptures. The council discovered it. They didn't make it up 😊🙏✝️
john 12: 47-50
sola scriptura for me too.
unless/until they attempt to prove that the NT is a direct product of the pagan constantine.
The" I don't speak of my own authority" is proof Jesus isn't God.
God doesn't speak of his own authority.
Really? 😂😂
@@salman13 he is one with God
@@alanx4121 that doesn't mean the same thing at all.
For example, when he said he who sees me has seen the father. If we actually read the chapter, it would be silly to assume he meant he was God.
Also, taking that verse literally means he was lying in John 4 or 5 where he says nobody has ever seen God nor heard his voice.
Apostles were one with Jesus the same way he was one with God.
Using your view, they are also God?
We should take all the 10-20-30 verses where he speaks of himself and God and then see how it all fits.
Not take one only and out of context and then say Jesus is God.
That's what any same person would do. Once we bring in context, a lot of these divine claims are debunked.
That is what Christians do unfortunately.
@@salman13 ok, what should i do now?
Maby Constantine was more concerned about uniting the pagans and Christians. The Pagans believed in a single God that didn't fit with the Christians belief in God the Father and his Devine Son and the holy Ghost separate but united to bring to pass the salvation of all mankind.
It is possible to believe that Christ is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament, and that he did not pray to himself; he prayed to his Father, who also was also a God.
Jesus _had_ to have a God in order to be the high priest of the new covenant. And the argument that he "prayed to himself" is invalid in that it presupposes unitariansim. You cannot presuppose one worldview in order to disprove an opposing worldview.
The scriptures clearly state that The FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT are in unity. GOD can do anything.
God is never described as a nature. God is a person that has a Son Jesus. What trinitarian do is they have to turn God from who into or what. That’s like saying I’m a man you’re a man and my brother is a man, but we are all by essence one human. That doesn’t make any sense unless you turn human into the word humanity. What you’ve done as you’ve taken God, who is a noun and turned them into an adjective.
We have the Bible, The Apostles are our Example.
This TH-camr says, "Now Constantine should not have used his political position to convene a church counsel." What? Where does it say that in the Bible? lol. Seriously, to make this claim shows that this presenter/commentator injects his personal bias into historical construction. What other bias distortion is he creating? He also claims over 600 bishops attended Council. All other reports I have read or heard say closer to 300. Is he making an exaggeration on that point? His claims about Aries also lack clarity. Aries wrote that God created ALL things through Christ his only begotten Son. The Apostle Paul writes the same thing. Creating all things, all of creation, the universe and all things in it sounds like something only God could do. I find much conflicting reports of what Aries actually wrote as his understanding of Scripture. I'm dismissing this report and moving on to another. God Bless y'all.
They also uninvited all of the Hebrew Messionic believers of the Eastern congregations as well as most all of their other opponents in whom they did not agree. The council of Nicaea 1, 325ce was in fact a rigged council. Shalom
Not Aries,Arius
@@cmmarsden 😉👍, darn microphone
@@thomaspayne3347 it sure appears to have had a lot of political maneuvering. The bishop of Rome certainly had his boys pounding the tables. Not that everything they did and discussed was wrong. But much of it was interpretation of scripture, to help the human mind reconcile things it can't understand, using the language and vocabulary of the day. Some of it I think was unnecessary from what I read in Scripture, since the blood of Christ is primary to the New Covenant. It seems like a lot of Roman pride in the mix. Caesars are that way ya know :-)