This rush makes so much sense. I always failed miserably trying to rush in feudal age but it's probably due to putting 3-5 villagers on gold for no reason. When you explained the blacksmith i thought you needed it to get damage/armor upgrades but I didn't think of the siege engineering tech, that actually makes sense cause it's the only way to destroy landmarks reliably in feudal age. Of course in castle and imperial age you got trebs and bombards but I underrated rams.
Got my first win with this, thanks :D. Wrote it quickly in text so ppl can read it whilst in game: 1. put as many vills in Q 2. all 6 vills on starting sheep 3. set town center on gold - 1st builds goldmine - 2nd builds house 4. after 2 are on gold, TC back on sheep 5. after 8 food 2 gold, TC to wood - 1st lumber camp 6. when close to ageup, send 2 vills out already for forward wonder 7. once the 2 vills have gathered 100 gold send them on food 8. set 4 on landmark 9. 7 on food, all the rest on wood 10. scout out opp base 11. get 2nd house 12. once council hall done, set those vills on food 13. dont gather troops, just set mark near enemy base and let them flood 14. ruin their eco, kill villagers or let them idle in TC 15. opp not surrendering? build blacksmith and get siege engineering - build rams
tbh there are age2 rushes that hit at min 9 at 1.7 that is 5.3 minutes. Not really that much faster. From a macro side it looks a lot easier to pull off a fast rush doe. In my experiance aoe3 was always a lot easier to get the basic macro down. A good buildorder in aoe3 made you an ok player while in aoe2 you needed to put ages of training in to even get the execution kinda clean.
The devs are confused what their fans really want. When aoe3 came out, fans were disappointed saying that aoe3 doesn't feel like an aoe game. Now aoe4 is out, almost every aoe2 players complaining why it's the same game as AoE2. That's proven in the comments below. C'mon guys, what do you really want then???
Thats why AOE 4 should have been more daring like AOE3 and just find its own identity, the AOE2 community is going to complain regardless, now it's a wierd souless mish mash of the two games
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy tbh, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
Drongo talking about an English opponent in an earlier video: “They are defensive, they don’t make army very soon” Also Drongo playing as English: “Rush with bowmen directly into opponent’s base 5 min into the game”
as an aoe2 player who dabbles in aoe3 every so often, the feature I miss the most is projectiles being able to miss. Maybe that would be a step too far in the aoe2 direction, who knows... but the game is still very different from aoe2.
That would be a nice addition. I played it today myself for the first time and I actually quite liked it. I do wish they would add some more elements from AOE 3, my favourite game ever
I don't understand these people. Here, they are complaining it's not like AoE3. On other channels, they complain it's too different from AoE2... and I'm here like "damn, this looks super fun with some elements from CoH2." Are we watching the same videos I don't understand your complaints. This game is GOLD imo!
actually alot of similarities with starcraft 2 in this game. SC2 still feels a little smoother and easier to see whats going on but def similar in alot of ways. This game needs better selected unit highlighting. That lil white circle doesnt cut it and its not like it gives u any visual cue otherwise when u select an individual unit out of a group. Like if it would highlight that unit for a second when u select it, like make it glow or something, would be so helpful for me. Its a small thing but its actually one of my main gripes with this game, just being able to see and distibguish things from one another, and i dont wanna be zoomed way in
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy at all yep, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 what a sarcastic comment. Age 2 players not happy? These rushes are nothing to a skilled AOE2 player. Talk about an AOE3 "superiority complex". Yep nothing.
@@dtarchon You say that. And then you'll get sniped in Black forest. Because someone snuck an archery range into your allies section of the map. And then you're gonna get focused down by long bows. Because you assumed that since you got your palisades up. You're safe to do a dark age boom.
*AoE3 comes out* AoE2 Purists : Ew ! This game is too diffrent from AoE2 , back to Age2 ! *AoE4 comes out* AoE2 Purists : Yuck ! This is the same game as AoE2 but worse ! Back to Age2 !
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy tbh, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 defensive buildings are pretty strong against units that arent backed by mid-late game siege and cheap too. so rushes isnt too bad its mostly the wonder victory. why would someone ever try winning by destroying the enemy town or capturing more than one sacred point when you can just build a single wonder in the back of your base and turtle. the wonder should have more caveats to it maybe make it siphon that players res so they cant turtle as hard and make wonders more of a desperate last stand i dont know.
@@LoL-lt3mi I'm having this exact problem, 4 v 4 is a total sham, the winner is the biggest boomer and first wonder builder then you straight up lose in 10 mins. They need to do the trade monopoly approach and can only build wonders in very specific mid map areas.
I've liked aoe4 way more than I thought I would, and damn do I love the abbasids. Building my little megalopolis is so nice, and the camels are surprisingly tanky.
Why why why did they decide to get rid of these things from AOE3?!? 1) Batch training units 2) Infinite Farms & 10 vils each (mining and lumber camps are fine & make sense though) Also, the base towers having no attack?! and the attack upgrade being tower by tower...
Thanks I'm new to AOE having a blast just beat the "hardest AI" with this tactic holy moly bow cheese is strong, will be checking more of your guides out thanks! Don't think the AI are designed to deal with this haha probs much harder online.
Very early palisades can delay it but one mistake in placement or neglect in covering up other openings and there will be problems. Without a teammate the only real counter to this is another longbow rush
this game really isn't chill at all haha, i should have researched before buying. wanted a game where i can play and advance through the ages kinda chill defending what i have but not something as mind boggling as CIV - i shall keep looking
Ill never understand why people click the same spot one thousand times as if clicking faster will get you there faster I click just one time and i get there just as fast as you XD
Its an "actions per minute" habit that makes you start the move order before your mouse gets to its destination. Buys a fraction of a second per order.
I cant find video how to defend against real eng rush, when they attack in a first few seconds with 4 civilians + scout in a map where is less wood , try to control my gold/ wood, later build 1 barrack and mix longbows with spearman, i cant find way to defend it, i managed go to Feudal age and build horseman, but they are are useless vs spearman + longbows, seems like imba strategy :( any help here ?
This strat is so obvious I won't even scout for it just blindly spam horsemen if I can hide a stable somewhere You can also go double scout opening to kill any villagers wandering around
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Following Spirit of the Law's dark age build order, i get very consistent 5 minute age ups, which is probably pretty standard, but this video shows it at 4:15 i think, and is extremely dangerous Without warning and without help, the victim would need to rely on Town Center damage and focus firing with multiple villagers. Unless they're not english villagers. Bleh. Too much economy loss while the rusher continues making more villagers without contest. If the forward landmark was scouted, very early palisades can stop it but the longbowmen can move around and look for other openings. I main english right now but even i know this shit needs some nerfs lmao
Interesting strategy. How would you go about countering it? Seems difficult to predict since it looks like most standard builds. Without pulling stable out ASAP, this strategy seems very difficult to react to. The worst is that the attacker doesn't really take a large economic impact from doing this.
As the Abasid Dynasty you could probably counter by pulling back your Vils into the wilderness. And Build scouts from your TC. While the Vils that escaped continue to gather resources. You'll still be at a disadvantage. As you'll be behind on eco. But you can survive by building a land mark in some corner of a map. As you'll only get taken down if your TC and Land marks go down. That strategy won't work if your enemy is really good at scouting. But most players get tunnel vision when they are seiging down a TC. And won't notice you rebuilding your Eco off in the hills. From there, as an Abbasid player, you'd probably want to counter them with a scout rush. And smash their eco early before they can capitalize on the massive resource edge that they got from smashing your economy.
Also, as china, you've got fast walls. So if you're smart about it you can quickly throw up palisades to save yourself from complete annihilation. And at least slow down their siege. Though you'll probably lose a bunch of vils to long bows while doing that. Not sure what the british or Holy Roman empire counter would be. Didn't play either of them that much during the stress test
The attacker does in fact take a large economic hit in terms of opportunity cost, rams are 300 wood each, longbows take 50 wood each. All the wood one gathered could have been the resources needed to push to castle, build a small army or a second town center. Its a good strategy but it has to be done rapidly due to a couple weaknesses, The need for lots of wood makes early longbow rushs easy to scout, If your opponent has a ton of villagers on wood early game that's the sign. The counter is that defenses both static and mobile are much much cheaper then rams.
Aussie, I tried this and failed as they had walled early, however had great map control early game. But against the Chinese late game(fire lancers, nest of bees and bombards) I had nothing to throw back. What should you build as English late game, I always feel weak
Lets say you do your early longbow rush and they have built a bunch of walls and outposts, You cant get through, So long as you realize this early enough to back off and you haven't committed to the expensive rams then at that point you probably have an army and they don't. So what you can do is start taking advantage of the fact you have map control, Pin them in, push for castle, grab relics/sacred sites and gold starve them so they cant afford their bees and bombards. good luck friend.
I see this strategy a lot and am still not really sure how to beat it if the other player is competent. Unless you are on Black Forest where you can stall with walling or that water map no one wants to play on you just can't econ enough Man at Arms or Knights to defend this consistently and Horsemen just get straight farmed by Longbows.
ironic the one unit to counter longbows doesn't mean shit because apparently its fair to give longbows pailings. "Hey guys build this unit early and don't worry about horses, we make sure you're safe from that too!"
This strategy is reliant on gathering tons of wood, So there's your tell. Your opponents English, You scout their base at minute 3-4.... See they have 4-5 villagers on wood. That's the sign. The safest response in my opinion is to tech up to feudal age ASAP and then start spamming horsemen. Assuming your not collecting wood for a rush yourself then you've been collecting more food and gold, You should get to feudal age about a minute faster and that's your first window to punish them, Especially if their landmark has been placed in the center of the map like in this clip.
You can play them defensively. Their strong dark age man at arms units lets you deal with enemy scout rushes. While their long bows can put in some real work if you place them behind a wall. But, honestly, this long bow rush looks like more fun!
It is. Its made by a different studio than the folks who work on AoE3 and AoE4. That's how its coming out so fast. Since its produced by Relic entertainment, while AoE3 DE was done by forgotten empires. By using two teams Microsoft can roll out way more content in a short amount of time. But the trade off is that AoE 4 feels pretty different form AoE3 DE since its done by a different team.
The point is to raise your elo (ranking) to the point where you opponents scout and then counter your longbow rush. Then the games start lasting longer, moving on to Castle age strategies etc etc.
Somehow I'd prefere to see longbows as a mid/late game unit. I'd love to rely on them later in the game. It makes sense with the armor and everything that in the late-medieval period they are less and less viable and used, but maybe they could be buffed with applying slowdown (~snare) to enemy units, so they could transition from ranged dmg to mostly support as part of mixed army.
Disclaimer: I only played for a day so far in the stress test. Maybe they change a lot of this idk. Anyway I just felt the game was a little bland or bare bones? Not much unit variation or very many unique mechanics. The factions seem too similar to me. Not very many upgrade choices. Also the abbasid faction is broken OP.
@@ANSELAbitsxb yes they are different but the units are so similar. Spearman, man at arms, archer, light cav, heavy cav, etc. Other than a few unique units every faction has the same units.
sorry drongo... you are a great streamer and youtuber, you will always have my respect and affection and support in all your projects, but I think the community is so frustrated with the game that the way it is it is almost impossible not express outrage in the comments. Sorry you have to read some negative comments , keep up your wonderful work and do not give up on the age of empires as a whole or the community
I know aoe4 was meant to be a soft reboot of the series but the more gameplay I watch... It's just a straight up remake of aoe2. Probably gonna hold of on buying Day 1 like I was planning to.
I mean, yes and no. Its not a straight up remake. Its more like . . . AoE2 with an sprinkling of Mechanics from Dawn of War. You have strategic points, I mean sacred sites that you can capture to win the game. Which can often lead to miniature king of hill type skirmishes. Also a lot of individual units can gain abilities that impact how the unit plays. So, once you get all your upgrades up, it can get pretty micro heavy as you try to make the most of unique units abilities or unique traits. It's a bit like playing Protoss in Star craft. The game looks just like AoE 2 on the surface. But once you dive under the skin you can see Relic entertainments bones. It is a shame that they didn't bring over sync kills though. Watching an Elephant pick up a dude and throw a dude, or watching an Landskhect decapitate a dude would have been totally Sick.
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This rush makes so much sense. I always failed miserably trying to rush in feudal age but it's probably due to putting 3-5 villagers on gold for no reason. When you explained the blacksmith i thought you needed it to get damage/armor upgrades but I didn't think of the siege engineering tech, that actually makes sense cause it's the only way to destroy landmarks reliably in feudal age. Of course in castle and imperial age you got trebs and bombards but I underrated rams.
Got my first win with this, thanks :D.
Wrote it quickly in text so ppl can read it whilst in game:
1. put as many vills in Q
2. all 6 vills on starting sheep
3. set town center on gold
- 1st builds goldmine
- 2nd builds house
4. after 2 are on gold, TC back on sheep
5. after 8 food 2 gold, TC to wood
- 1st lumber camp
6. when close to ageup, send 2 vills out already for forward wonder
7. once the 2 vills have gathered 100 gold send them on food
8. set 4 on landmark
9. 7 on food, all the rest on wood
10. scout out opp base
11. get 2nd house
12. once council hall done, set those vills on food
13. dont gather troops, just set mark near enemy base and let them flood
14. ruin their eco, kill villagers or let them idle in TC
15. opp not surrendering? build blacksmith and get siege engineering
- build rams
And then call yourself a bot.
my guy it is a video game
Aussie Drongo has entered a golden age
Aoe4 kinds of players be like
Aoe2 players: I want to build a connection with my base
Aoe3 players: Rush before 5 mins
Depending on how large the game is, it can literally go AOE3 rush game or AOE2 hour slugfest with wonder win, there's no middle.
tbh there are age2 rushes that hit at min 9 at 1.7 that is 5.3 minutes. Not really that much faster. From a macro side it looks a lot easier to pull off a fast rush doe.
In my experiance aoe3 was always a lot easier to get the basic macro down. A good buildorder in aoe3 made you an ok player while in aoe2 you needed to put ages of training in to even get the execution kinda clean.
The devs are confused what their fans really want. When aoe3 came out, fans were disappointed saying that aoe3 doesn't feel like an aoe game. Now aoe4 is out, almost every aoe2 players complaining why it's the same game as AoE2. That's proven in the comments below. C'mon guys, what do you really want then???
Dude its simple, we want a game thats the Exact same as Aoe2 without actually being the same, isnt that simple??
@Szolnoki diliház how are the civs imbalanced?
Thats why AOE 4 should have been more daring like AOE3 and just find its own identity, the AOE2 community is going to complain regardless, now it's a wierd souless mish mash of the two games
@Szolnoki diliház funny how people is complaining about imbalance even when not all the civilizations are out
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy tbh, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
Drongo talking about an English opponent in an earlier video: “They are defensive, they don’t make army very soon”
Also Drongo playing as English: “Rush with bowmen directly into opponent’s base 5 min into the game”
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm no expert but i think this strategy would only be efficient in 1v1 games as it leaves you pretty vulnerable in other areas.
Aoe4 looks like the definitive edition of the definitive edition of Aoe2
It also plays like it
as an aoe2 player who dabbles in aoe3 every so often, the feature I miss the most is projectiles being able to miss. Maybe that would be a step too far in the aoe2 direction, who knows... but the game is still very different from aoe2.
That would be a nice addition. I played it today myself for the first time and I actually quite liked it. I do wish they would add some more elements from AOE 3, my favourite game ever
It needs more micro control and polish the reaction of units and it willl be better
Aoe2 DE looks much prettier
I don't understand these people. Here, they are complaining it's not like AoE3. On other channels, they complain it's too different from AoE2... and I'm here like "damn, this looks super fun with some elements from CoH2." Are we watching the same videos I don't understand your complaints. This game is GOLD imo!
Yeah, I don't know what the haters are on about, I love the game.
actually alot of similarities with starcraft 2 in this game. SC2 still feels a little smoother and easier to see whats going on but def similar in alot of ways. This game needs better selected unit highlighting. That lil white circle doesnt cut it and its not like it gives u any visual cue otherwise when u select an individual unit out of a group. Like if it would highlight that unit for a second when u select it, like make it glow or something, would be so helpful for me. Its a small thing but its actually one of my main gripes with this game, just being able to see and distibguish things from one another, and i dont wanna be zoomed way in
These poor aoe2 boys are gonna be so mad with us.
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy at all yep, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 what a sarcastic comment. Age 2 players not happy? These rushes are nothing to a skilled AOE2 player. Talk about an AOE3 "superiority complex". Yep nothing.
@@dtarchon You say that. And then you'll get sniped in Black forest. Because someone snuck an archery range into your allies section of the map.
And then you're gonna get focused down by long bows. Because you assumed that since you got your palisades up. You're safe to do a dark age boom.
I'm an aoe2 player and I love this. Its like going straight archers in a team game but faster
*AoE3 comes out*
AoE2 Purists : Ew ! This game is too diffrent from AoE2 , back to Age2 !
*AoE4 comes out*
AoE2 Purists : Yuck ! This is the same game as AoE2 but worse ! Back to Age2 !
XD
I agree man. Age of 2 fans dont know what they want. I like age of 4 and I am sure this game will be pure classic like age of 2.
I play a lot of Age 2, and i believe Age 4 is going to be amazing, i understand there are still issues but the game isnt even fully released yet
I hope the devs dont cave in too much from the backlash.. Maybe it just needs time to settle, to get fine tuned, and to get used to
I just can't unsee the AOE2 in this game
Age 2 players not gonna be very happy tbh, the rushes are very AOE3 and very strong, in fact, during my time in team games they only go one of two ways, you either rush and get the single weakest player of the team out early and make the others resign, or the game become a stalemate with walls everywhere until someone booms enough to build the first wonder. And that's pretty much a guaranteed win for their team, units take YEARS to travel team maps and there's no way you can reach anyone's base if they're defending together like they should.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 defensive buildings are pretty strong against units that arent backed by mid-late game siege and cheap too. so rushes isnt too bad its mostly the wonder victory. why would someone ever try winning by destroying the enemy town or capturing more than one sacred point when you can just build a single wonder in the back of your base and turtle. the wonder should have more caveats to it maybe make it siphon that players res so they cant turtle as hard and make wonders more of a desperate last stand i dont know.
@@LoL-lt3mi I'm having this exact problem, 4 v 4 is a total sham, the winner is the biggest boomer and first wonder builder then you straight up lose in 10 mins. They need to do the trade monopoly approach and can only build wonders in very specific mid map areas.
totally dude, like... medieval times!!
Wonders are a blessing. They force large teamgames into conflict instead of dragging them out for hours.
We are presenting AoE2 Double Def Edition with Starcraft UI.
Kinda looks like Assassin's Creed
I've liked aoe4 way more than I thought I would, and damn do I love the abbasids. Building my little megalopolis is so nice, and the camels are surprisingly tanky.
Fun build but I learned the hard way that one knight will put an end to this attack really quick
Just a couple of Spearman should do it
Why why why did they decide to get rid of these things from AOE3?!?
1) Batch training units
2) Infinite Farms & 10 vils each (mining and lumber camps are fine & make sense though)
Also, the base towers having no attack?! and the attack upgrade being tower by tower...
Late to the party but I also despise how towers don't get an attack by default and it's individual.
There are plenty of ways to counter this:
Outpost near resources outside the safety of TC fire
Stable > horsemen
Stable > knights)
Yes in the early game it’s all about scouting, if you lose to a rush, it’s because you haven’t scouted properly.
Thanks I'm new to AOE having a blast just beat the "hardest AI" with this tactic holy moly bow cheese is strong, will be checking more of your guides out thanks! Don't think the AI are designed to deal with this haha probs much harder online.
Late reply from me but congrats on breaking the hardest ai wall. Just want to say when you get to that point youll start doing ok on ladder.
so OP still use to this day, got my to Bronze II thanks aussie!!!
No problem 👍
Nasty cheese. I guess one of the best counter is scouting
Very early palisades can delay it but one mistake in placement or neglect in covering up other openings and there will be problems.
Without a teammate the only real counter to this is another longbow rush
this game really isn't chill at all haha, i should have researched before buying. wanted a game where i can play and advance through the ages kinda chill defending what i have but not something as mind boggling as CIV - i shall keep looking
you CAN play defense by simply chilling . usually after you learn mechanics u can start adventuring and attacking back but you have to win somehow ^^
People are so annoying with their entitled disappointment with this game. Chill guys.
This comment is just a ^Technical Stress Test^
Appreciate this guide, I absolutely smashed the hard Ai with this method
Abbasid and HRE pls :(
Units look like they have 2 frames per year
best low elo strat
haha yeah pretty much. This all only seems impossible to counter to inexperienced players.
Sees this video, thinking great I could follow and try this method.
Island map for 3 games in a row.
I would be so mad, such a toxic strategy rushing that early
Ill never understand why people click the same spot one thousand times as if clicking faster will get you there faster I click just one time and i get there just as fast as you XD
Its an "actions per minute" habit that makes you start the move order before your mouse gets to its destination. Buys a fraction of a second per order.
I cant find video how to defend against real eng rush, when they attack in a first few seconds with 4 civilians + scout in a map where is less wood , try to control my gold/ wood, later build 1 barrack and mix longbows with spearman, i cant find way to defend it, i managed go to Feudal age and build horseman, but they are are useless vs spearman + longbows, seems like imba strategy :( any help here ?
This strat is so obvious I won't even scout for it just blindly spam horsemen if I can hide a stable somewhere
You can also go double scout opening to kill any villagers wandering around
Going good before wood. Nice idea. My aoe2 brain had me stuck on 6 on food 3 on wood first
subscribed, so freakin smart, ty sir, now im gonna beat the other silver in the game HAHAHA
counter to this? facing duos both choosing english and both doing this, can never train horseman as french quick enough to counter
my eyes can;t handle this "technical stress test" floating around. got a headache and stopped watching :/
you look like that dude from PIXEL (2015)
6:15 Those are some really long bows
How do you have 9k gold without gathering it in this clip?
how to counter this attak this attack? how to kill 100 archers?
wtf is that stress test, it got me mad enough to pause the video and write this comment
Wtf is this "technical stress test"? Pretty annoying.
Ehhh i remember those these ware the days exciting times
I had someone do this to me... How do you even stop it?
Hello Mr.TH-camr I’m a Chinese player and I failed to search for the guide of English single TC in Chinese video websites. It’s lucky for me to find your video here. If it’s possible, could u please allow me to upload your video in Chinese website? The name is BiliBili which is similar with TH-cam and I will show your original video link. I’m waiting for your reply!
Only France and rus with early knights could stop this push. Especially after the new patch. Rams got cheaper.
Thanks a lot,bought aoe4 few days ago and i made so many mistakes cuz i had musscle mem from playing english in aoe3 this helped a lot ty pal
I'm afraid this will kill aoe3de because it's my style of game not this...
Hey I understand that Drongo and other streamers got the game early. but how come other players got it too before the 28th?
this is actually a strong build. the real question is, how does this fail? what does the enemy do to fight this properly?
Following Spirit of the Law's dark age build order, i get very consistent 5 minute age ups, which is probably pretty standard, but this video shows it at 4:15 i think, and is extremely dangerous
Without warning and without help, the victim would need to rely on Town Center damage and focus firing with multiple villagers. Unless they're not english villagers. Bleh. Too much economy loss while the rusher continues making more villagers without contest.
If the forward landmark was scouted, very early palisades can stop it but the longbowmen can move around and look for other openings. I main english right now but even i know this shit needs some nerfs lmao
Right now, the only good counter to longbow rush is another longbow rush.
Put away your villager for gold and Wood 300meter of you TC , gather max sheep , build stable and raid his base especialy Wood peon.
As the Abbasids you might be able to counter with scouts.
Make a tower that protects one or two exposed resources (typically gold) and be smart about which wood line you go for
I want BFME3
Nice, so the wonder will counter this strategy ? and what military works best against long bow
Interesting strategy. How would you go about countering it? Seems difficult to predict since it looks like most standard builds. Without pulling stable out ASAP, this strategy seems very difficult to react to. The worst is that the attacker doesn't really take a large economic impact from doing this.
Just a nerf from 6 damg to 4 would would be enough. Already takes 7 archers to one shot a villager with 4 damg you need 12...
As the Abasid Dynasty you could probably counter by pulling back your Vils into the wilderness. And Build scouts from your TC. While the Vils that escaped continue to gather resources.
You'll still be at a disadvantage. As you'll be behind on eco. But you can survive by building a land mark in some corner of a map. As you'll only get taken down if your TC and Land marks go down.
That strategy won't work if your enemy is really good at scouting. But most players get tunnel vision when they are seiging down a TC. And won't notice you rebuilding your Eco off in the hills.
From there, as an Abbasid player, you'd probably want to counter them with a scout rush. And smash their eco early before they can capitalize on the massive resource edge that they got from smashing your economy.
Also, as china, you've got fast walls. So if you're smart about it you can quickly throw up palisades to save yourself from complete annihilation. And at least slow down their siege. Though you'll probably lose a bunch of vils to long bows while doing that.
Not sure what the british or Holy Roman empire counter would be. Didn't play either of them that much during the stress test
Build a tower that protects your far out resources. They have really long range and hit archers really hard with a few villagers inside
The attacker does in fact take a large economic hit in terms of opportunity cost, rams are 300 wood each, longbows take 50 wood each. All the wood one gathered could have been the resources needed to push to castle, build a small army or a second town center.
Its a good strategy but it has to be done rapidly due to a couple weaknesses, The need for lots of wood makes early longbow rushs easy to scout, If your opponent has a ton of villagers on wood early game that's the sign. The counter is that defenses both static and mobile are much much cheaper then rams.
had to listen to the start three times till i realized you said starting sheep not shape but great video i love it
I have been absolutely wrecking people with this... thank you!!
wow you really showed that princess..... O_O
Play against Mongols on hard or very hard AI and you'll see you will need spearmen to counter the Mongol cavalry wreaking your longbow.
technical stress test
Is there a spawning tool style write up for AoE 4 build orders? Fun build btw
Lol stress test already BO... i dont think this is a BO
thank you for this i usually play rts's casually and want to actually sweat thanks for creating a sweaty xD
Aussie, I tried this and failed as they had walled early, however had great map control early game. But against the Chinese late game(fire lancers, nest of bees and bombards) I had nothing to throw back. What should you build as English late game, I always feel weak
Lets say you do your early longbow rush and they have built a bunch of walls and outposts, You cant get through, So long as you realize this early enough to back off and you haven't committed to the expensive rams then at that point you probably have an army and they don't.
So what you can do is start taking advantage of the fact you have map control, Pin them in, push for castle, grab relics/sacred sites and gold starve them so they cant afford their bees and bombards. good luck friend.
Geez I thought I was showing against AI xd
The new Transition animation is smooth as heck Keaton. Big Steve From ESPN 🤠
I think we need some urgent ESPN AoE IV coverage.
I see this strategy a lot and am still not really sure how to beat it if the other player is competent. Unless you are on Black Forest where you can stall with walling or that water map no one wants to play on you just can't econ enough Man at Arms or Knights to defend this consistently and Horsemen just get straight farmed by Longbows.
ironic the one unit to counter longbows doesn't mean shit because apparently its fair to give longbows pailings. "Hey guys build this unit early and don't worry about horses, we make sure you're safe from that too!"
The counter is your own long bow rush.
Early scouting and outposts are your friends against rush strats
Hey Drongo, why don't you post more and more recent build orders ? I would love to see more really like your videos!
How do you defend this? I loose every single game because everybody plays this and i have 0% win rate.
This strategy is reliant on gathering tons of wood, So there's your tell.
Your opponents English, You scout their base at minute 3-4.... See they have 4-5 villagers on wood. That's the sign.
The safest response in my opinion is to tech up to feudal age ASAP and then start spamming horsemen.
Assuming your not collecting wood for a rush yourself then you've been collecting more food and gold, You should get to feudal age about a minute faster and that's your first window to punish them, Especially if their landmark has been placed in the center of the map like in this clip.
does this work for al vs all 4 players in?
wAsn't England suppose to be a defensive civilization? This seems like quite the fast one ye?
You can play them defensively. Their strong dark age man at arms units lets you deal with enemy scout rushes. While their long bows can put in some real work if you place them behind a wall.
But, honestly, this long bow rush looks like more fun!
the fast Robin Hood victory
Very nice video! Glad you can also rush in AoE 4, it s quite similar to AoE 2!
Does this work in team games? I feel you will end up having other enemies come through
I mean... if your whole team does it probably.
get an counter by french cav
Legit used this strat and won 2 games in a row haha
Sub 5 minutes wall it is.
Tried this and works like a charm
That new espn effect of replay amazing
Can you make some walls ?
This game is awesome.
It could be nice to add a last part in the video : how to counter it
U gotta go scouts no? Or towers
GREAT VIDEO !
More aoe4 please
Looking forward to more. Good stuff.
How to counter this? Looks like everyone is doing this
Men-at-arms or horsemen.
As the Abbasids you can counter with Scouts.
Hello
Wait what ? Just bought aog3 . Is this new game ?
This is an open beta for aoe4 that will release in october(i think),but dont worry aoe3 will still have an active comunity
It is. Its made by a different studio than the folks who work on AoE3 and AoE4. That's how its coming out so fast. Since its produced by Relic entertainment, while AoE3 DE was done by forgotten empires.
By using two teams Microsoft can roll out way more content in a short amount of time. But the trade off is that AoE 4 feels pretty different form AoE3 DE since its done by a different team.
I played the beta its a different experience
I miss the days when you and the other guy agreed to a 20 min build period and then fought.
Yeah speed rush is so boring to me, like you won yeah… but it’s just not fun
@@adamzeller4160 You underestimate the satisfaction of a strategic parry and crushing castle age counterattack.
ehhh those days never existed, its a competitive game where winning is the objective no matter how it is achieved
Seems such a sad way to win a game though, is there any point in playing this way? You miss all the fun stuff. It's a technical win.
:/
The point is to raise your elo (ranking) to the point where you opponents scout and then counter your longbow rush.
Then the games start lasting longer, moving on to Castle age strategies etc etc.
You are literally, my hero.
I wanted to figure out some builds for this game, but it has proven too difficult to have it actually run on Windows 7, Linux, or LTSB 2016.
Srsly, people already looking for ways to cheese and finish the game as soon as posible in a beta stress test....
Easily the lamest way to play the game with absolutely no strategy and skill. Way to kill an awesome game.
Somehow I'd prefere to see longbows as a mid/late game unit. I'd love to rely on them later in the game. It makes sense with the armor and everything that in the late-medieval period they are less and less viable and used, but maybe they could be buffed with applying slowdown (~snare) to enemy units, so they could transition from ranged dmg to mostly support as part of mixed army.
arrow volley is pretty nasty in imperial. Speeds up firing rate 70%. Also abusing the campfire ability helps survivability
Disclaimer: I only played for a day so far in the stress test. Maybe they change a lot of this idk. Anyway I just felt the game was a little bland or bare bones? Not much unit variation or very many unique mechanics. The factions seem too similar to me. Not very many upgrade choices. Also the abbasid faction is broken OP.
@@ANSELAbitsxb yes they are different but the units are so similar. Spearman, man at arms, archer, light cav, heavy cav, etc. Other than a few unique units every faction has the same units.
this shit playing style kills the game
Aoe4 sucks. Can’t believe I won’t be buying it, after waiting for 15 years… lol
sorry drongo... you are a great streamer and youtuber, you will always have my respect and affection and support in all your projects, but I think the community is so frustrated with the game that the way it is it is almost impossible not express outrage in the comments. Sorry you have to read some negative comments , keep up your wonderful work and do not give up on the age of empires as a whole or the community
You are a real Hero ❤️🇸🇪
I know aoe4 was meant to be a soft reboot of the series but the more gameplay I watch... It's just a straight up remake of aoe2.
Probably gonna hold of on buying Day 1 like I was planning to.
I mean, yes and no. Its not a straight up remake. Its more like . . . AoE2 with an sprinkling of Mechanics from Dawn of War.
You have strategic points, I mean sacred sites that you can capture to win the game. Which can often lead to miniature king of hill type skirmishes.
Also a lot of individual units can gain abilities that impact how the unit plays. So, once you get all your upgrades up, it can get pretty micro heavy as you try to make the most of unique units abilities or unique traits. It's a bit like playing Protoss in Star craft.
The game looks just like AoE 2 on the surface. But once you dive under the skin you can see Relic entertainments bones. It is a shame that they didn't bring over sync kills though. Watching an Elephant pick up a dude and throw a dude, or watching an Landskhect decapitate a dude would have been totally Sick.
Lame that some have access and head start.
I won’t be buying.
Longtime player of all 3 aoe
Everybody has access it is an open beta / stress test. Its on steam they have opened up for the weekend.
Lmao
It's an opened beta...
oh no so sad sarah slye didnt get to play day 1 and sweat.
Thats why youre not supposed to leave the kitchen
Great video