Older iPhones Bricked For Being Too Outdated - Locking Users From Their Data
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ธ.ค. 2022
- Hundreds of reports have surfaced of people stuck with phones that randomly locked up, being unable to access the phone or its contents. This issue is affecting the iPhone 6s, 6s+ and SE models on older IOS software.
Lets just hope its a bug.
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I have a 6s with ios 9, lost some pictures cos of this issue. If anyone knows a bypass, until then this phones just chillin in the cupboard on a activation error screen.
I feel bad for everyone who lost their data. I hope you can get it back
its disgusting how apple got away doing this type of thing
What happens if you try to install iOS 15 through a computer
I called Apple, they advised me to increase my storage to 100GB to handle my 64GB Phone, I didn't believe them, but they managed to export the pictures to icloud, sucks I have to pay icloud storage
@@jacobwillcock1999 as someone who works for apple, you most likely were close to capacity on storage and therefor it couldn’t load anything due to not having enough storage for caching. iCloud Photos allows you to optimize your device storage by keeping compressed thumbnails on your device instead of the full image, so something that would be 40GB of actual photo storage would only take up about maybe 1 GB of phone storage.
It's impossible to accept this as a "bug". This has been going on for many years, and Apple is _fully_ aware of it.
It’s been going on for many years? I’m pretty tech savvy and this is the first time I’m hearing of this. And I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one
@@rodrigojds the video clearly says that it started since early 2018
maybe watch the video one more time?
@@zakaryan2004 yes I’m aware of that. It’s still the first time I’m hearing of this. If it were really that bad we would have heard about this sooner. I just think that issue is so extremely rare that it’s flying underneath apples radar. How many people you know have an iPhone 6 and how many are still running iOS 9 on said iphone?
@@rodrigojds just because you haven't heard of it does mean apple has an excuse. It isnt a bug, its something apple does to make you buy a new phone.
This is just insane to me. Forget about repairs, you shouldn't need apple's permission to USE your phone that you bought, regardless of how old it is.
Apple’s got too much power, it’s hard to do anything about this. They clearly won’t do anything about this because why would they? It makes them too much money.
Ah yes, Apple being unfriendly to costumers again and Samsung has still not really fixed the battery problem. If you use your phone on a regular basis, that won't be an issue with Samsung, however samsung is known for the longer stored devices to bulge out of their frame coz after no use for a long time the battery starts to degrade and bloat.
fr 😞
@@stijnvdv2 lithium ion, not samsung, stop spreading fake news. iPhones have the same issue, keep it away from heat
Unfortunately this is just what happens when technology evolves at such break neck speeds that older devices quickly become outdated and security exploits become easier to find .
Apple doesn't do this bc their greedy, they do it bc they care about thier costumers security and brand reputation.
Quite some years ago, I made it to get the 4s when it just came out.
I loved it.
The quality of the screen was amazing.
A few weeks later, my wife dropped my beloved phone into a pretty big water bucket.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it laying there on the bottom.
I rushed home, studied iFixit and several videos. Then I took it completely apart, dried every single part as good as possible and left everything laying over night.
The next morning I reassembled it, and it worked and it's still working, the hardware at least.
I loved the massive parts, everything screwed together, nearly no glue.
Since the warranty was gone anyways, I started jailbreaking which took my device to a whole new level.
After several jbs, I erased something which I shouldn't have touched and was forced to update to iOS 6 (when they changed the whole design).
My phone had a complete new factory reset, everything was completely wiped and now exactly as Apple wanted it to be.
Without anything else installed, the phone got so slow that turned to be useless.
I even had the blobs for downgrading, but for whatever reason, it was not possible any more.
I was so extremely disappointed and in that moment Apple lost a very passionate client and fan forever.
After all these years with Android now, I'm actually thankful to Apple for what happened.
Android is open source.
You can root to modify the stock OS, install apps outside of the official store and even install other stores like F-Droid.
You can flash custom modified and optimised roms and so much more freedom.
And all that for a fraction of the price of a similar Apple product.
These are our devices, we payed (often quite a lot) for them and it's our right to use them as we want to.
Apple ALWAYS repeats themselves saying it's for your own security, for your own good.
In Android the manufacturers lock the bootloader that nobody can modify the phone who is not aware of what he's doing.
You get tons of warnings that it will kill your cat, burn your house and start a nuclear war.
On Xiaomi it takes a whole WEEK until they finally unlock YOUR phone.
But they do it.
I got warned, it's my loss of warranty, my phone, my responsibility, MY decision.
Huge thanks to you man. Without people like you who bring attention to this and inform consumers on how to troubleshoot, issues like the faceid being disabled would never have been fixed
Apple makes it feel like when you purchase a phone from them you're actually just renting it and they are the actual owners and get to do whatever they want with it.
Apple is known for decades to have a stranglehold over their software and hardware, Apple owns it, controls it and nobody else. It's always been called "A walled Garden".
That's how it works with pretty much every device now
@@justanotherpxrson We need regulators to force these shamelessly greedy megacorps to stop screwing us over. Billion and trillion dollar corporations (yes it has gotten that bad with the likes of Apple) are not your friends or identity, they see you as nothing more than a walking wallet. The EU has been ramping up its cleaning of the mobile industry, consumers need to support and demand more regulation and antitrust action from their governments.
@@justanotherpxrson I don't get the same issues with Xiaomi phones. Rooting them and tweaking them is well documented everywhere.
@@MsDestroyer900 well except newer models. Am a Xiaomi user myself, and my device (Redmi Note 11) still doesn't have its kernel sources released, which is why custom tweaking development is a bit of a mixed bag
Great video and explanation. Absolutely absurd Apple's able to just lock people out and not give any reason why- for a company that claims to focus on its consumers, they sure seem to love making life difficult for some.
Even just an explanation from them would be nice, honestly.
Hello Josh nice to see you here
Hey josh
They DO focus on their consumers: Apple's primary concern is that fanboys won't be able to get freedom of choice; once they decide programmed obsolescence is due....time to spend a fortune on a "new" stacy malibu a.k.a. iphone
Weird about this. Luke Miani got a 3G running.
Most likely because those devices will still have jailbreak and Apple is no fan jailbreak
I’ve seen that newer devices running iOS 16 will NOT let you proceed with activation until updating to the latest version of iOS. So if you erase the phone, you’ll be forced to update. Software preservation is important and there are people who collect old devices, and should be able to keep that device on its original firmware. I still have an old iPad on iOS 6, and I’m never erasing it.
why?
@@mosijahi3096 why not?
@@RStark-ek7mh ok ? Do they work?
@@RStark-ek7mh Ok understood 👍🏿
iOS 6?? Wtf are you doing transfer the data from that old thing to a server and throw it away
This is why I moved to Android as soon as I could after hearing about Apple's "Monopolization" in the phone market. I never regret going to Android, it gives me peace of mind and can be easier to work with than IOS. I literally tried to open my old iPhone 4s for someone I know, so they could use it for their work stuff, but it took me over 4 hours to unlock it, because of the crappy Apple servers and their terrible security systems. I took to asking customer support too and they were no help I think. It's so bafflingly bad. You know when people remember Nokia? We remember them because they were durable, and the only phones we had back in the day, the legacy it left was, quite something really, inspired a generation of durability in the phone market, I think anyway. Looking at Apple, they never did anything significant post Steve Jobs. They have nothing to give, and everything to take.
People criticize Android for providing only a few years of updates. Well, they don't ban you from using their phones once they are no longer supported. I used my parent's old S3 until 2022. Apart from the battery draining, the phone ran like new.
Apparently Apple are devastated at your move!
Steve was Apple, James was Project Veritas. It happens, and yes, of course other people were involved but a leader is a leader for a reason.
And with Android always innovating their software (specifically with Android 12 and 13), their OS is rapidly catching up with IOS. I think by Android 14, IOS will be surpassed.
@@_Devil Android is already a much better os than ios in many aspects. They've also changed how updqtes are delivered so that it's ewsier to support older devices. I have an m1 ipad and ipados is lacking in multitasking. Such a shame considering the capability of the hardware.
This is pretty terrifying to me because I sometimes turn on my dad's old phone who passed away a couple years ago just to look through pictures he took and also I take great pride in being the last person he texted of all my siblings. I'd sue if that phone got bricked.
I recommend you backup those files, even if it was on a non apple device
It's insane that you don't have multiple backups of those pictures. What are you thinking?
@@davidv6588 I know right… shame on me big time
@@americantroy77 What the fuck are you doing here??? Go backup those photos and don't let it connect to wifi!
@@americantroy77 yes, I’m glad you admitted that you’re stupid…
This is insane. Companies keep finding new ways to enforce planned obsolescence, no matter how well you take care of your device its producer will find a means to sabotage it in hopes you'll buy a new one. I have a small blacklist of companies who do this and boycott all of their products.
Which companies do you have blacklisted? Asking because I'll do the same. Planned Obsolescence is a predatory business tactic and won't be supporting any businesses that partake in it.
@@immonkey2074 i too would like to know
Same
I pretty sure at this point, it's easier to list companies who _don't_ do planned obsolescence.
Drop that list bro
This is the kind of "big tech" stuff that people should be wary of. And i knew Apple would be leading the way. Some friends and i discussed this some years ago when Apple was kicking people out for their laptops being more than 5 years old, Apple store wouldn't touch them.
I had one Iphone in my life. The 5 I think? Yeah, it looked slick and all, but I immediately saw a decline in battery power and phone capabilities after just a couple of updates. Well before my two year contract was over. I went back to Android. At least I could put an external SD card in those. Although they've removed that on a lot of newer models which I think is a piss take.
If it was the iPhone 6, you missed out on a class action lawsuit.
They were slowing down the phones to maintain their original battery life as it degraded.
Both the 6 and 7 actually.
It is just because some iOS upgrades cram a lot of new functions and features into it, which is too taxing for older devices to run.
I have the iPhone se 2016 with iOS 15 it’s still working pretty good besides the battery
My dad had the iPhone 5 and it worked really well for 2 years until I threw water onto it, maybe it was the placebo effect?
I tell every one of my customers that the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus were the best iPhone's ever made in terms of reliability and repairability. I still repair about 2 a week. I really hope someone at Apple simply forgot to remove the 6s from the Activation blocklist. Thanks for sharing this info.
The 5,5s SE1, 6s and 6s plus were the best iPhones imo. The 4/4s were good too. Anything after that was just gimmicks you don’t need or removal of necessary features.
The simple iPhones were better I still use them :)
I still use the iPhone SE1, since it has the perfect single hand form factor. I only use it for texting SMS, phone calls and as a music player with the headphone jack. I don't play games or use social media apps on it.
Were the last that had barely any competition and were relevant
I'm typing this on a 6s. One of the greatest phones ever
Apple: We're not including a charger in the box because we don't want to contribute to e waste.
Also Apple:
$$$$$
So i have to throw my old iphone 💀
I’d trust that statement when they give $100 discount for the missing charger.
Ah yes, we're also not including a working phone in the box because that also helps to reduce e waste
What an idiotic comment. All you have to do is update the phones iOS and it works fine
As a GB technician, I have seen this issue happen from time to time. There will be devices that are functional with Cellular 'Error' in settings, and after a device restore via iTunes the phone will be stuck at activation screen during setup. Usually with running MRI, we're able to determine that the failure is with the device's modem/cellular module, but as to what fails exactly I'm not sure.
I know what the problem is, the baseband chip is damaged or another component that works like Apple proprietary NFC is faulty. Also can be CPU or other components experiencng connection issue, RAM, diode, resistor, capacitors, broken circuit lines by moisture, by a strong fall, whatever. That's why update doesn't work, finds some hardware fail and doesn't install.
Can be repaired but they need lot of work and specialized tools to extract the information from the phone's nand memory chip, so can be reprogrammed in other chip and swap
If this info is unavailable only a special jailbreak method should bypass activation lock, if that doesn't work either, then bye bye iDevice.
Thank you for raising awareness
I work in technical support. Apple does this simply because they want you to buy a newer iPhone. If your older phone stops working, they think surely you’ll buy another phone. It’s happened to me personally more than once and it’s aggravating. Apple really needs to be called out for this but unfortunately there’s still many who will defend Apple no matter what.
Don't worry, isheep are there to defend every absurd decision of apple.
Hello this is Alex from Amazon tech support,how can I help you?
@blueBeanieboos TV what are you gonna do then?
@@gaswe9236 buy a phone that is not iphone, i would do that at least
i have no intention of buying a “new” iPhone when they cost more than my monthly living expenses ... have been using 6s last several years after losing job a d had to sell my 12 pro max to pay bills. and quite honestly Apple needs to think about reworking input screen layout and other standard features as quite simply input is quite primitive compared to latest releases of Android. sApple requires you to go into other screens for simple everyday punctuation f symbols, and the (space) boots you out of (Num Lock) - absolutely irritating.
hey hugh, you probably wont see this but i have an ipod touch 5 stuck on the activation thing. it has valuable photos on it and i need to get them. is there any way i could get them back?
I've got iPhone 5s in my collection that works just fine. The thing is - a few years back there was a bug discovered in iOS that some pre-shioped certificates were due to expiry, and apple did ship the urgent SW update saying - update your old iPhone now or it would be a brick, since after the certificate expiry date iPhones won't be able to communicate with apple servers to download the update (or activate in this case).
So it is not a deliberate disabling of the old devices, but rather a sw bug which apple did its best to fix on time.
Needles to say, that my old iphone 5e is still receiving security updates even in the year 2023, so apple is clearly working towards keeping it working.
Apple Moment
As usual.
😂
Apple Moment indeed.
Apple is like your overprotective parents
Apple moment
Apple should at least allow users to backup their images and videos even after the phone being bricked. Not allowing that just because you didn't update seems brutal.
You can just connect it to itunes and either back it up or update and keep data.
The person who bought the apple phone just didn't have enough literacy to understand that if Apple so chose, they could block you out of all your data, because it's all on Apple's servers, it's all apples systems.
It's not YOURS. It's theirs. And you're not buying a phone, you're licensing it.
Same with streaming services for media, STEAM for games (digital distribution in general) the cloud storage, the rental apartments, the future of auto mobiles... cloud software (Adobr for example), everything.
At the end game of capitalism you will not own ANYTHING and thus it can be taken away from you at any time.
People should go back to buying things that these companies cannot control.
Buy CD's for music, buy Blu-rays for movies, buy disks for your games, buy cars that don't rely on servers, don't get that "smart" lock to your home or smart watches... don't buy digital copies of books for e-readers... OWN your stuff again!
"But it's so inconvenient to use blu-rays and buy season boxes!"
Yes, it is, but you OWN it.
It's always a choice between convenience and ownership.
@@Mtaalas They can't even access offline local data though, this is wakeup call to stop using Crapple.
@@MrLewise67 2:05
@@Mtaalas Sheesh man, buy an Android and be thankful that you don't live in a commie system
In video from Виталя на связи also happens on iPhone 5 that downgraded to iOS 6 and iPhone SE 2016 with iOS 9.3.5.
Note from this video: Excluding iPad Pro 2015 Wi-Fi only model. iPad Pro 2015 Wi-Fi Model Only on iOS 9 still activates fine.
Let's be honest, _Apple users_ will buy a new iPhone _(and will continue to do so over and over)_ even if Apple decides to randomly brick _(which can be easily done online)_ half of the Phones in use.
And _that's_ why such companies will continue to live long and prosper.
Until anyone else offers a competitive level of competent ecosystem, yep.
And Apple is still gonna say they took out the charger because of the environment
I was honestly fine with that. Who doesn't have a drawer full of charger blocks??
I have so many USBA because of my Amazon fires and now quite the collection of USBC..
.... so not having a bunch of outdated lightning chargers is fine.. I use wireless charging anyway.
@@IntriguedLioness ok bozo you can take apples nuts out of your mouth now
@@IntriguedLioness Not all chargers are created equal. Try charging your phone on 10 year old charger vs a new one.
Shipping the charger separately uses more packaging though
@@IntriguedLioness we've found him ladies and gentlemen. The Isheep
the fact that a device can be *this* locked down, to the point where to even open it you need to contact the manufacturer and hope that they give you permissions, is just absurd.
I hope that this ends sometime. the consumer should own the device, not the manufacturer.
Well, android owners actually own their devices, apple users just don't.
@Sine Nomine
But i don't get locked out of my own phone, and don't need to ask The Big brother's permission to use my own phone.
Please, don't get triggered and turn everything into a "Apple vs android" debate. Cause it's not. I just stated a thing. That's it.
@@axd2312 And if android does that? We should all gather together and make a fuss. A massive fuss
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 big thing with android is you can just install a custom OS and ignore their updates since its literally just linux
@@hauthicus Thats true too
I've been saying it for years. Right to repair legislation is pointless unless users are granted root access and unlocked bootloaders.
I would brute force the iOS 10 or some version that is supported by using fast boot and rooting it with computer, but I'm not sure if it has "fast boot"
I’m still using a 6S as my main phone and thankfully it hasn’t bricked itself. This is definitely concerning though and thank you for getting this out there.
well your probably on a newer version so you shoudnt have this issue
running ios 9?
Are you on iOS 9?
@@hystonixok
No I’m running IOS 15 unfortunately.
It should be a law that when you release “updatable tech” that you have to provide access to ALL legacy versions of updates and patches.
I had an Iphone 6 from 2015 to 2022. It always worked fine until a certain update in late 2022. After that update the phone will reset itself all the time randomly when using application. There was never anything wrong with that phone. I'm 100% sure the resets were caused by the update, a way to force peoples to upgrade to new phones. That phone basically became totally unusable overnight.
your battery is probably dead. When opening an app the CPU can cause voltage spikes and because the batter is bad the phone shuts off
@@AJ-wf1vh unlikely
Actually good luck even trying to keep using an Android phone for 7 years.
@@tictactaylor5255no, not unlikely. It does sound like a dead battery.
if what you meant by reset was "restart" or "shutdown", then as many others said, it could be the battery or the hardware itself, that can be affected by the software update too. the thing is, i have android phone that pretty much new, bought in 2020. but i experienced the same thing because of the battery. it eventually restart itself every time i make a call or even play media, and it has nothing to do with software locked or something. so better get battery replacement or any parts if you still consider to use it, or just leave it alone.
Hi. I have several older apple products that are bricked as of the last few weeks…even with spare memory… “server not available”, software/apps scrambled on one, and a third just super slow. iphone 4s, ipod touch, iphone 6s plus. they were all woking fine until “software updates”
It's crazy to me that people will proudly line up and buy this company's products every year
Sheep allways gona by sheep
My phone is on its 3rd year. Will hit 3 years in October anyway. Let's see how long i can make it.
BeCAuSe iT HaS tHE ApPlE LoGo So iT MuST bE GoOd.
mfs be calling me broke because i dont wanna buy disfunctional hardware frrrrr
And I'm sitting here with my 200$ Android which works completely fine even after 2 years of use. Android for life
I can't believe the 6 is considered old enough to discontinue, I can remember clearly when it came out and I'm still pretty young. In any other industry this would be considered ridiculous.
Look at any android phone, see which big company supports them still.
@@stylestrydes8360 wdym?
@@SYNTH_M4N what that unga bunga means that overtime device will become obsolete, hardware on such device cannot be upgraded like the CPU GPU RAM, they are not modular compared to a custom pc that if you need to upgrade, you can! Therefore, newer software wise, it is hard to keep up with older hardware. There is not much you can do once you reach the hardware limitation. Android phone does it too. They too stop supporting older devices after couples of years but you can use it till well end of time, I guess hahaha. My good old Samsung A5,A8, S8, Sony Xa1, LG G2,G3 still work too this day.
That why I do like the idea of modular phone. Outdated parts, get newer parts and less e-waste.
@@Follower_Of_The_Onions Thanks for the more in depth response. I agree, although I do think that Samsung is somewhat better seeing as how I use a Galaxy S5 from back in the day which still works fine.
@@stylestrydes8360 while my older Android devices are no longer a supported by their manufacturer, *none* of those manufacturers have bricked my older devices.
Crap like this guarantees I will never buy and iPhone no matter how nice the hardware or software.
This is why I still haven't updated my iPhone 6S iOS. Still using 12.4 till this day, and the speed performance is still as fast as it was new.
Commenting for algorithms. My 6s+ working fine on 14.8 and leaving it there. Thanks for vid!
Devs: how much programmed obsolescence do you want we add?
Apple: Yes.
It’s the industry standard. Samsung only released 0-2 updates for years.
@@apgp1448 Not to locked its own user though.
@@apgp1448 not all brands, I have the same phone that I had 5 years ago. Thanks to some brief tutorials I have android 12 with LineageOS. The battery still in good condition.
this
@@apgp1448 I've a 2012 samsung tab which works piss poor, drains battery but here's the key point though it still works. It's not deactivated remotely
Way to tell us you don't let your customers own their own hardware without saying you won't let them own their own hardware, Apple.
The entirety of the mobile landscape is extremely anti consumer, tablets and smartphones are computers but compared to a desktop they’re so locked down it’s like you don’t own your own device. People need to take a stand, while they’re at it get their governments to break up megacorps like Apple and Google too. They’ve gotten too big, US regulators are seeking antitrust action against Google. Consumers should ensure it happens.
Just wait until Microsoft starts pulling the same bs. They're already working towards this degree of control.
Great vid thanks for sharing👍! My mom & I both have the iPhone 8 plus and we love our phones but I'm now worried that ours will become bricked soon too 😞 Are there any rumors that this will happen to these phones too?
no. but i recommend you back up important stuff. e.g. photos
I think you two will be alright.
Car, appliance, furniture companies have been doing this for years. Once upon a time products were built to last but corporations are greedy so they build them to break/shut down after a certain amount of time. Complete madness and we as the consumer are screwed over.
My brother made the mistake of buying a Mahindra tractor. Then he found out only Mahindra dealers could work on them! No shade tree mechanic, no John Deer mechanic. ONLY Mahindra dealers!
love that I can activate my 4th gen ipod touch with no issues, but apple is somehow threatened by their own past phones to the point that they have to nuke as many as possible
they're their own worst enemy. 😭
probably in part because they've canceled the ipod touch line entirely
I own the exact same iPod touch! And yes it’s running iOS 6
They’re not threatened, they’re just not gonna use up server space for phones several years old. Should we be complaining that we can’t buy a disc with windows 95 on it?
@@ganymedehedgehog371 One can buy a disc with Windows 95 on it.
I really really hate the fact that we don't own the very expensive devices we pay for
Here's the solution: don't spend money on things you don't own.
@@cobrazoid wtf???
@@choppings54 None of the parts in my pc were loaned to me. I own a phone I actually own. AKA not an Apple or similar phone.
This is why no one should be products nowadays due to all this stupid smart stuff and subscriptions. Stick with older products that were actually made to last
That's why people use Linux and CalyxOS. Near total control.
As a new iphone user, this is crazy. I'm not really impressed with the iphone or it's app store so far and seeing this. I think this will be the last one as well. I get companies not supporting old hardware anymore but if it can work, it should be allowed to work.. Imagine windows bricking your pc because you're still running windows 95 on an old laptop.
How the heck can this company consistently be so blatantly illegal in its anti consumer behaviour and get away with it over and over again?
Back in the day the US almost buried Microsoft for trying to block Netscape in Windows, when did things did a 180?
They probably bribe the US government or something like that.
For the same reason Google gets away with it? They don’t care anymore.
When people stopped caring because they’re just users and are split between so many generations and update so often they don’t run into problems like this.
In addition to users just not caring if it doesn't affect them personally, I think Apple & al. have done a 'good' job convincing people (and especially legislators) into thinking these kinds of things are for the best in terms of security and safety. E.g. saying it'd be too difficult to provide security updates for old devices, or that old batteries could explode if left in or are replaced by the user. It's one of those things where, because there's a kernel of truth in some of their claims, people that take them at face value because they don't look any deeper.
"....when did things (do) a 180?"
Wh€n politician$ $tarted to ¢are for ¢€rtain thing$ other than people....
Wow, I never thought a phone could be bricked for being "old"
Id cards are bricked and blocked for being "old" Quite sure you have to pay to get a new card too when they expire. Or you sit on it and bend the card. I mean I never thought my identity could be question for being "old" too. :)
My iPad Air 2 was iOS 13 and it suddenly entered a boot loop. So I was forced to upgrade it to iOS 15 and it was fucking slow, it was unusable until it had the same issue 2 days later. Thanks apple for leaving me with a dead iPad and lost pictures. In a few years will we have pop up screen such as “Buy a new iPad” or “pay 50$ for 1 more year of use” ?
if i want to sell more i would do as apple
Wait until you want to buy an old used EV. Why do you think they want you to drive them?
literally every pre-4g device would like to have a word with you
weird part too. The phones update when you set them up. Or format them and set them up. My green 5c was at the home screen. The tool i used forced it past setup. but it immediately went right back to the setup screen. Home screen is right under that stupid "bug" eventually enough people will be fed up with apples antics and they will sweat if they wish to keep a fanbase. I have 3 perfectly fine 8pluses and a simple total reset leaving no data. Would allow them to be reused. Till then they are glorified paperweights.
Here I am today with an iPhone 6 Plus that is no longer updating as it used too. It’s a bummer because I wish I could continue to use this phone. Now my phone is clicking random letters as I type or opening random apps.
With how long this problem has been going on & how they're aware of it; I doubt they care.
I hope they get sued for doing this in all honesty especially as this is definately illegal & that they're fully aware of it & did it themselves.
I agree 100% with you
Apple taking anti consumer to the next level.
Barely anyone is having an issue, so nobody cares enough to do that.
@@fynkozari9271 pro consumer
Its not illegal. Buy a newer phone. The phone turns on thats all they guarentee.
Despite the inconvenience, Apple should never take down any activation servers, no matter how old the device they’re for is. There’s got to be some kind of software that overrides the activation error/operating system without jailbreaking device and allows for users with a bricked iPhone 6 to continue using it.
Especially if it's being used in an environment that usually is slow to upgrade tech like government jobs and banks. Can you imagine someone trying to use their work phone and all of a sudden it just bricks itself? I'd be pretty fucking livid
@@michealpersicko9531 I guess that you don't actually ever "own" an iPhone. You have the device and can do what you want on it, but its software is eternally controlled by Apple, and they can choose brick it anytime. See: th-cam.com/video/XmkFoPV5DCg/w-d-xo.html
@@ddylan4cats
So in short apple is authoritarian and totalitarian
@@ddylan4cats sounds familiar
@@michealpersicko9531government and banking users are not running 10 years outdated software. Very much the opposite. A lot of old versions will have limited or no internet access due to outdated security protocols. That's from the server side. Who's getting hit with this are hobbyists.
I have a 9 years old ipad that I use daily and no issues at all. And there is an 8 years old iphone around the house that still works but the battery lasts for just a few hours. From what I see, these are isolated cases for people who purchased an 8 years old device from individuals?
i am just so curious in what you mean by " the phone accesing a server for activation codes " through what does it access it?..is it a process which requires internet connection so through wifi or what ? some other antena ? really asking
I know this is late, but basically yes. The iPhone has to connect to Apple's activation servers for activation, and it requires either a mobile phone connection or a WI FI connection to do so.
What keeps me away from Apple, is their attitude to device ownership, which led to this problem and others like the account lockout.
For me, it is very much "1984" when a device keeps in lifelong contact with the mothership to accomplish some very basic functions - which can include a device kill.
I can't accept the idea - but that's me. Others seem to be very happy of such insane dependence.
Google Android seems still fine; should things turn for the worse, it will be Linux phones all the way to the Paradise.
Thank you Mr. Jeffreys for being so dedicated to your viewers and followers, by producing this video, reminding Apple that customers deserve respect...
Solid comment.
I go to Android
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I wish this was true and it was only Apple doing this. It’s the same with most Android actually. None of the Android devices currently in my household would let me downgrade, unlock boot loader so I can use whatever software I want, use an SD card to do anything other than copy my photos and videos there, change the battery myself, uninstall apps or services I don’t want or need, and all that “good” stuf iphones aren’t known for. Gone are the days when I made my old Samsung phones FLY by changing their batteries for new ones in 5 seconds and put Lineage OS on them with minimal junk. Modern Android phones are just as bad as iphones, or worse
@@d3xmeister You need to buy Google only devices. Plenty of root kits available for these. It just seems to be 3rd partys who lock their phones down.
This is insane… I hope there‘re some lawsuits heading to Apple soon.
Lawsuits are peanuts for them when you compare with how much they earn on selling new phones. Only way to hurt them is stop buying their products alltogether
@@flaviokonti5522 or go and simply beat Tim Cook :P
@@ezhikebaniy may I join you?
@@flaviokonti5522 Agreed, I wish people would stop buying their over-priced crap.
What is the ground for the lawsuit "I'm too dumb to use this phone"?
I have a 6s with the latest updates (Ver. 15). So if I crash my iPhone and need to reinstall, it might not let me? Makes me a little nervous. So I can never pass this phone on to another person. I've got an old backup-could do a fresh one. Don't even know if its the right kind of back up. I at least, have not had problems, but I am not jail-breaked or using ios 9 on the phone or trying resell my phone. Good to know there are issues in advance, though. Thanks. My old iPad 3 is on ios 9 and only limited apps still work on it. Kindle app is the only app that will still work for library ebooks. At least both my devices still work. I have had more problems with printers and their damn proprietary ink.
something siliar happened to my iphone X. last november (2022)i had apple replace my battery. then in a acoule weeks later i did an ios update as i normally do.. and suddenly my face ID stopped working. Not sure what heppenned.
This should be grounds for a class action - I personally swore never to own an apple product because of issues like this
I'm truly grateful for this video. Thank you! My original iPhone 6s, which was running iOS 9.0 untethered jailbreak around the time of 2017, was almost rendered useless because it randomly froze and entered a bootloop. Fortunately, I didn't lose any photos or other personal information, but it now runs iOS 10.3.3. Despite this, I do have a number of iPhone 6s models that are just gathering dust as a result of the activation problem. Some of these models had already been activated before the problem occurred, but others I am unable to use and all are in between iOS 9.0 - 9.1.... Once more, I appreciate you bringing up this issue since it has been ongoing for a while now (I mean years) and needs to be fixed. ❤❤
I understand due to security aspect as older devices could be an entry point to apple servers. I have a 6plus so it must be worse off(I haven't used it for long time though)
This affects older iPod Touch also. I'm not sure what model I have but I made the mistake of resetting an old iPod Touch a year ago, to use in a car that has an iphone port. After the reset I could only get as far as this same error you are showing.
Being an older device, it can't be upgraded past iOS 9.
As someone who used iOS 6 exclusively until earlier this year ('thanks" T-mobile), it's been infuriating coming to iOS 15 and finding out just how tight Apple's death grip has become. I block as many of Apple's update servers as possible by hijacking the 'encrypted DNS profile' feature to avoid the 'update available' harassment notifications and hopefully prevent at least some things like this. But the fact that I can't even launch downloaded applications for the first time without letting them contact an iTunes server is so stupid.
Stop using them.
The way tech companies are forcing obsolescence is unacceptable, bricking perfectly usable phones with contrived error messages or forcing updates packed with so much needless bloat that it slows down the phone with older hardware. I hate to say this but it is time for the government to step in and force these tech companies to clean up their act and curtail their monopoly over the ownership of our devices.
@@BillOweninOttawa Only other option is Android, which I hate even more for different reasons.
@@avenged110 why do you hate android? /genq
@@alexanderbrennan1984 It's absolutely hideous (modern iOS is ugly, too, but this is so much worse). I really don't like how it works. AFAIK there aren't any nice, reasonably sized, well-spec'd devices (like Apple's so-called 'mini'). _All_ my devices are from Apple, so that's not going to turn out well.
The reasons are very clear and become more transparent as days go by. Companies don't want consumers using good products for a longer period of time which don't break easily. It works against their favor (revenues). I've had a similar incident with the Xiaomi mi4 that I believe released at the same time as the iPhone 5. They look like distant relatives in appearance. The Xiaomi also started having frequent reboots and I thought it was the motherboard or battery but I searched online and found others affected just like me and it turned out to be a software update causing this.
i have a xiaomi mi 3. still using and dont have those problem except for lags.
I've been dealing with this issue on my old Mac running High Sierra, when I tried to wipe it recently to be either resold or recycled. Apparently, the only solution is to downgrade to the preinstalled 10.8 Mountain Lion, which is absurd. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a PC OS will work 6 years after its release.
The same story here.
Powered up an old iPhone 6 for olds photos and got locked out immediately. No time to back up or anything.
It should be criminal to block my property I purchased. FYI the phone was purchased from Apple Store and I was the only owner/ user, as some people were accusing the victims of purchasing stolen phone.
I have an iphone 6s and have had it for years. I’ve replaced the battery myself over a year ago and will be doing it again soon. I refuse to get a newer iphone because I believe anything past the 6s is unnecessary and newer models remove useful hardware. This is really upsetting and I refuse to give Apple a dime until they start letting people own the products they buy
I agree 100% anything after the 6s is unnecessary and I need my headphone jack! I love my 6s and SE1
I regret getting rid of my 6s plus. The replacer of the 6s plus was SE2020. It was faulty and ultimately make me change for android
I may move on from my 6s as main iPhone cause app support but I’ll definitely keep mine up and running as long as I can because imma still use it as a camera and a secondary phone.
Yes I’m never giving mine away or selling it. This comment was typed on it btw.
dont upgrade beyond ios13. thats the perfect speed and efficiency for the phone. regretted it after upgrading to 14/15
I was a Apple loyalist from the ipod to the iPhone 3 iPhone 4 ,6 and iPhone X when my phone was functioning perfectly then I updated the phone and the phones battery went crazy and wouldn't charge properly and would drain battery quickly Apple wouldn't fix it without me having to pay. So they basically brick my phone and ask me to pay to fix it. I dumped the iPhone X and switched to Android and never looked back. ANDROID 4 Life the amount of features and the hardware is solid and the open nature of the OS I will never buy a iPhone again in my life
I bought a new-in-box iPhone 6s recently that was on iOS 9. Couldn't activate it on the original firmware so had to upgrade it to iOS 15. Not exactly what I wanted to do, but nevertheless I had to. Hopefully some regulatory pressure in the future can force Apple to allow users to downgrade their phones.
There’s no way in h e double hokey sticks.
@@markm0000
That’s what people said about USB-C and third-party apps/app stores
Apple will never allow downgrades. The point being it would re-introduce known (fixed?) bugs.
@@jfbeam That's what regulatory pressure is for
@@jfbeam Bug fixes are supposed to be on the same software version and there almost always should be a stable release of your favorite version. There's no need to upgrade your entire OS to fix a bug, it's absolutely dumb and ridiculous.
I have this issue with an iPhone 11 that was still on iOS 15. At first it wouldn't connect to the carrier services where it said it needed to update and then after multiple attempts to update it, I had to restore it, which factory reset it in the process. Now it turns on but won't activate in the setup process..
iPhone 8 did latest update, battery immediately went from full day to literally 6 hours, and connectivity went from never skipping a beat to SOS only, all overnight. Can’t wait for the Tesla phone to come out.
The worst part about this and the app store is that since Apple has certain cut offs for the iOS updates, if your phone is not on the latest or a more recent version, you can't download any applications unless you already have purchased them..
see, i locked myself out of an ipod 4. I lost ALL the things that are incompatible. Like minecraft
Almost had a heart attack when you mentioned 6S. I still use a 6 as my main phone, so I'm relieved those aren't affected. This situation is ridiculous, though.
I used my 6 till 2021. Was my first smart phone. Mine met it’s end for two reasons. Screen got demolished because it vibrated out of a window sill from a spam call and it shattered. I used it for several months more till one day the battery just decided it was done and I couldn’t use the phone without it being plugged in. I went and bought an iPhone SE that day. Feels like I have the same phone now but functional 😅
if u on newer OS version that will not affect you
@@jeremybennett5547Upgrading to a new phone from that 6 is like a night and day difference. That phone did not age well.
Man, I love those old dinosaur Apples. They used to be so good. My dad was gonna sell a survivor 1st gen ipod touch. I grabbed it right off the counter before the yard sale started. Unfortunately he had already wiped it, so I've gotta put all sorts of music back on it.
Absolutely! I still use my iPhone 6 as my music player since it has a headphone jack which my iPhone 14 Pro Max doesn't and this whole situation is ridiculous and Apple doesn't seem to care as they rather sell you a new phone than fix your older one.
I had to buy a new phone cos the app I used to buy tram tickets with suddenly stopped supporting my iOS version.
That app ran perfectly fine on other phones less advanced but for security reasons was no longer supported.
They simply remove the OS code from the install text file. Developers do it, otherwise their apps gets removed.
You know its f.. up when you can log into a bank but not buy a train ticket with the same phone.
Being into 80's and 90's retro equipment, I think I'm the most fortunate to have the best pre-internet era had to offer, during my childhood. I can authentically re-experience every item, replay any game, and no one is able to lock me out, because of this activation thing, that only became common this century. Kids who are growing up with gadgets that they will want to have again in their 30's and 40's - they'll have nothing. The generation growing up right now, will have nothing but archived youtube videos to look at, and maybe some VR virtual arcade type thing.
I personally loved and used Pebble watches, when they were around. Then FitBit bought them, and eventually removed all software support for legacy devices. You can still buy a new unused, unopened pebble from any generation that was released, but good luck pairing it up with a modern phone. Same thing. And I knew this was going to happen. The moment any purchase requires me to go online for anything, I think to myself: "Here we go again. If I knew ahead of time, I wouldn't have bought it."
Yep, and when you bought a game it was a one-time purchase. No added micro-transactions to get in-game perks/features or added content. Content that was added later like many Sims add-on packs you would pay for but it would still just cost for the add-on content and no added micro-transactions in those as well. If you didn't want your software anymore you could sell it. Not so nowadays since in order to run/play software one has to create an online account. I wish we could go back in time to that way of using software but keep the current graphics quality, especially in games.
yep my nokia 3210 and 7110 work perfectly! hope to find a new oldstock zire 71.
yeah all I'll have left is my fricken n64 that barely functions
@@KuptisOriginal don't buy games/software that have microtransactions or require online account then. Play other games or use other software.
What are you talking about? You'll be able to use most computers and most android phones in 10 or 15 years. Just not apple ones.
I remember one time Apple released an update that broke wifi. A number of people posted on the Apple forum, with some saying it was a router issue and some pointing at Apple. Any messages indicating Apple was at fault were quickly removed. I posted a number of messages as to why the issue was in Apple’s court, and every one of my messages got deleted, including the message I posted asking why they kept deleting my messages. Talk about frustrating! A subsequent update quietly resolved the issue but Apple never admitted fault. At no point prior to the issue, during the issue, or after issue resolution did I make any changes to my router, thus showing this was most assuredly an issue on Apple’s end (not the router), at least in my specific case.
slightly off topic, but I think that in settings there should be an option for swipe to unlock, either from left to right or bottom to top
Thank you Mr Jeffreys.
I have a 6SE, which is perfect for my needs, and am one of your "not technologically inclined" users.
I do appreciate your news items such as this, so that I can reluctantly upgrade the OS when commanded to.
Best wishes to you for the New Year, hope you have not been affected by these dreadful floods of 2022.
I recommend you to immediately backup your data to your laptop/PC (if you have one) to save anything precious (photos, videos, and documents) in case something wrong happens on your iPhone
if youre not running io 9, then youre fine
@@GarbanzoBeansFan I think it would be rare for people to be running ios 9 on the 6, as alot of people would of upgraded to whatever the last compatible ios was for the 6/6s
I like how sometimes Reddit thread rabbithole can give more context than actual forums and news sources.
Sometimes?
@@edwardcanez always ;)
Yeah,but don’t give em a pass just for that.
I got an iphone 6s from my aunt and when i went to set it up it gave the activation error and when i tried loading up an ios backup from itunes it would bootloop and i cant put it in dfu or recovery since the homebutton is gone
Just to double check, does this affect the iPhone 4/4s? Just checking cause I have photos and memories on that phone I want to save but I’m scared I’ll lose it all due to this error
Apple made great products, my mom is still using the 6S. But god dang they are greedy
Its like waking up one day to find your car is bricked because the ECU couldn't access the remote server
And you get told "Sucks to be you" when you ask them to resolve it.
John Deere does this with their tractors, funnily (sadly) enough
My 6S plus had the same fate, bricked for being too old. I loved that phone a lot as it was a present and now it’s bricked.😢
This also happened to me on ios 7.1.2 on an iphone 4. I'm glad that I already got the data, but I wanted to use it after restoring. However the phone is so old, that I had forgotten the password to the apple id it was binded to, and now it doesn't go ahead of the activation screen no matter what
What laptop that he use in 8:23? I don't remember that type of macbook had extra port
We need to stop rewarding these companies before it becomes the norm. Its already bad enough that they think they can get away with this.
People are dumb enough for just paying to get rid of their freedom of phone usage.
They don't THINK they can get away with it, they KNOW they can
@@DJL_Pass Bexause people are being more and more dumb.
Read the comments on this video. People are already addicted to the point of no return. Do you notice NOT ONE is saying _"I'm getting rid of my phone all together"_
This is a good example of why I have changed over to a Samsung. When I had my last iphone I never felt that it was mine, but was still belonged to apple and I just was allowed to borrow it in spite of paying a premium to own a apple. They could update when they wanted and it was mainly to apples benefit more than mine. Good that you are highlighting the issue.
"They could update when they wanted" - you know you can turn off automatic updates? At least it could actually be updated.
Enjoy just 2 years of software and security updates
@@CTE-6000EagleVeryHeavyFighter it’s not 2 years though
@@CTE-6000EagleVeryHeavyFighter It's 5 Years but oh well.
>They could update when they wanted
what? literally not a thing, turn autoupdates off lmao
i was literally on iOS12 when 15 came out
I concur that manufacturers should not limit/restrict the user/owner from using a product purchased. One can always use it with the existing OS or previous for whatever purpose.
This is happening on my iPhone 6S. Very annoying as it has old pictures that I cannot access and it also still has the game Flappy Bird that I installed when it was in the App Store. Not surprising to me that Apple thinks its OK to lock people out of their phones just because their iOS is not up to date.
I bought my 6s brand new when they were still fairly new models. It still works till this day and just recently had the battery replaced. I’ve dropped it numerous times, but thanks to an otter box case it is still pristine. Call me old school but I like my headphone Jack
You know you can easily convert lightning to aux right?
@@nyccollinyeah but How are you going to charge
True haha.
@@nyccollin why convert when I have both already 🤷🏻♂️
@@YCStudios_greece they actually do have a split adapter with a charge and a headphone Jack.
I'd be surprised if Apple responds to this in anyway. After all from their point of view, this 'bug' makes them money, why bother fixing it if they can just force users into buying a new handset?
I think they’d have to provide a solution, even if it means just providing a way to downgrade to a version that works. I’m sure they’ll be breaking some law by purposefully bricking everyone’s phone.
@@navjotsingh2251 According to the video at 6:32, they can upgrade their iPhone 6S to iOS 10 or later to address the issue.
@@Rosyna Even aside from that, I'd argue they could legally get away with it anyway. Never forget that while you may own your hardware, you do not own the software that makes it work. I'm sure their lawyers worked up an EULA you tapped "I agree" to that allows them to do this.
@@FarnhamJ07 They don't even need the EULA. There is not a single court that is going to say companies must support s/w indefinitely without getting paid. That judge would get tossed on their ass for being anti-capitalistic.
I have the same issue with an iPhone XR, it keeps asking me to update before it can be activated. When the Apple store ran a check on it they found it is running 16.2(newest software) but still refuses to allow me to activate it. I'm at my wits end as the phone is new and no one seems to have an answer how to correct this issue...
IDK why it's happening. My mom had replaced her IPhone 6s a few months ago because Apple ios 9 was unable to use and my mom couldn't backup her iPhone. Her new iPhone 14 is great and she's lovin it.
thanks Hugh for continuing to address these iPhone issues!
Great video Hugh, I hope it's seen by the right people! 👍
p.s. they are consumer focused, as they repeat frequently, namely focused on the consumer‘s money
Hi, I've seen you are using an USB 3 card in your Macbook. Can you tell me wich model of Card it is?
Only smartphone users would be okay with paying $1000 every year for a phone. Imagine if a car manufacture told you to buy a new car every year. 🤦♂️
That sucks that they are doing that!
By the way, I've never encountered this with android, as a matter of fact, my old Galaxy s3 is still working fine, some google apps are not supported anymore but I'd rather have this phone than an older iphone.
because android is better
and android can be completey reset and account removed unlike iphones
@@4000jes so what? I'd rather have that than a paperweight because I forgot a password.
What you have in your hands is a miracle, the S3 was one of the worst phones I ever had
@@RagingBad My mum used to have an S3, she gave it to me after she upgraded and it ran best on Cyanogenmod 11, android 4.4.4. It did run newer custom roms but fairly slowly. Only hardware problem with it was screen burn in which is normal on OLEDs especially the early ones.
I got an SE on 9.3.2 and it still works but the other day I recharged it after being dead for a while and it booted to the setup screen and I was like great. But after I set it up it went to the Home Screen with all my stuff still on there and then immediately went back to the setup screen and it just kept doing that everytime I set it up. So then I restarted the phone and it finally booted up normally but i immediately turned the Wi-Fi off and now it’s working fine. I’m afraid to turn Wi-Fi back on tho so I’ll leave it off
Another "workaround" though risky, jailbreak the device and block apples addresses in the dns. The riskier version is block the dns on your network but then if the phone connects to another network, well then...
*Just saw the section about the jailbroken devices keeping the activation codes*
I nearly had a heart attack when I saw this. I thought this was a new issue. But no, I went through this a while ago with my 6S. At the time I was terrified for days, looking for a solution, as I had never backed my phone up before. Stupid, I know. But in the end I was able to update the ios and everything was fine. I really could have used an actual guide for how to fix the problem though. It was ridiculous and I'm shocked that this was actually a widespread problem. Glad its finally getting attention, even though I resolved it
I was curious on if I went to purchase an older iphone or ipad gen 1-4 if I'd be able to download older app games mostly if that one app wont work on new version devices or will it only work if that app is already installed/purchased on those older devices?
Yes, I am interested in just using a spare just to get access to Mindsnacks again since I seen a few still able to play it on their old devices on YT but the app itself in general is no longer of use saying "The developer of this app needs to update to work for your version" on gen 5 and newer devices. They went ahead to make Elevate.
Please and thank you!
Fantastic investigative journalism. Thank you for this video!