Why Japanese Die From Overwork (Karoshi かろうし) | ASIAN BOSS
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Asian Boss Thank you so so much! This channel actually gives out a lot of information that are not sugar-coated, I learned a lot about Japanese and Korean culture from here. I think it's a way better method of understanding than boring articles.
nice video. I always wanted to live/work in Japan but the workaholic environment is a big turn off if you want to take care of your health.
In Western workplaces, it's the results that matter, not the hours you put in.
Reminds me of HK our working hours are pretty much the same.
Yeah, UBER even has a bad reputation anywhere else in the world.
this rant has nothing to do with anything here.
It's really reassuring to hear that many Japanese people don't approve of such practices.
and still i have never heard of people who stood up against it and tried to change it in a big way.
Change is very slow in Japan. Many Japanese love their traditions and take the respect of their superiors very seriously. It has to start with a strong, loud few and then overtime more will follow suit.
"overtime"
I see what you did there.
Even my coworkers and supervisor in Japan also don't approve of such practices. Working overtime does not necessarily equal to more productivity. When I was doing internship in Japan two years ago, I was told that I am not allowed to work overtime after 7pm.
haha, so they still wanted you to do SOME overtime, then, right? at the japanese company i work for, they OBLIGE me to leave after i've worked 8 hours.
Japan ppl need to understand that your own life is more important than what ppl may think about you...
You can’t just change an entire societies way of doing things over night. It will be decades before any real progress is made.
For japan, company is a family, so you have to give everything that you have for the company's welfare. I'm currently working in japanese company and it is HARD to keep up with them! Even in weekends they still working.
Dante's Woman That’s whack 🤦🏻 Glad I don’t live there
I'm pretty sure a similar thing existed in Western countries until recently.
Yes, it's right.
I really like how Asian Boss uses recent events as a basis for a lot of their interviews. It's really interesting learning about what going on in other parts of the world. Great interview guys!
that recent event happened like few years ago lol
Clem's comment and the video was also posted "a few years ago".
I feel like this is a vicious circle. They refuse to go home because they see their co-workers still working, but maybe, they are doing the same thing, they don't want to go home because they still see the other person also still working. I've seen this first hand working at my Japanese company (outside of Japan) where they do the same. It was so bad that the social inspection raided the company and fined us relentlessly.
Japanese people are NOT an example of how you want to work. There's no honor in living to work. It's all about working to live!
True
its a tradition or habit that why it is difficult thing to change. just like harakiri .
all things perfectly balanced that viciousness of humanity
they have all the anime and manga in the world and no time to enjoy it
They secretly watch it while they pretend to work.
Massoud Abdel Pay to watch/read. Do your research. Outside of Japan, we pirate their shows and streams outside. Why do you think they have have non-JP IP block to some of their sites, and laws on illegal download anime/manga?
True indeed...One thing I noticed over the years of watching anime and reading Manga. Is that Japanese anime and Manga has a lot of inspiring positive thoughts and ideas however in the real world few people can apply that. I think this is mainly due the corporate culture of Japan that needs to change! I believe the younger generation understand this very well I just hope for the best.
This video just shows where those perfect works come from, overworking
I feel wrong having laughed out loud at your comment.
This is the saddest aspect of asian societies. Workers need to stand up for themselves. The idea of not getting paid for overtime pisses me off
"if it takes you 100 hours to finish your job your doing something wrong" XD love that
Great interviews! I'm impressed you're always able to find people with so much knowledge about what's going on and with quite in depth opinions.
+Trevo That's the average Japanese person for ya.
Well I like it haha
Ban Ki-moon prove it.
Yeah, I'm always amazed by their insight as well.
+ONO Well, that pretty logic. In every countries you have idiots and smart people. No need to "prove it", tf you're saying. Japan isn't the perfect countries with the pefect people. That university professor is an example.
This was a news just because she graduated from Tokyo University (no.1 univ in japan), Dentsu is a famous company, she is a woman and she is cute. This shows how even the elite of elite in Japan have a miserable life.
Other people who dies by overwork will not even be on the news, nobody knows about them but I'm sure it happens regularly.
It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly obsessed people are of what others think of them, but Japan is in a league all its own in that regard. Anyone who doesn't follow the code of social etiquette and/or trends is automatically a social outcast likely to lose everything. That bitter old fart's social media remark may have been retracted, but it is an honest social standard of Japan as a whole. Anyone who'd try to make a fuss that could lead to change would just be outcast no matter how many people agree, and that's the most terrifying possible thing in the eyes of most Japanese. So no one will be the first, second or even third voice, and the most serious of matters are rubber-stamped as "appropriately addressed" with the retirement of some old businessman near the top, which changes nothing.
true. i like your comments.
Dear Ryudenki. You wrote in another comment that math is based entirely on memorization, and not on original thought. As a math lover, I am profoundly triggered. Math isn't - or at least shouldn't be - based only on memorization but to a large extent understanding the subjects you are working with. Especially when facing new and challenging problems you have to be creative and intelligent, not simply a memorizing robot. I am willing to discuss this further with you if you so please.
I think 6 hours a day of work, is more than enough.
Anything past that you're becoming a slave, in my OPINION.
You need time to enjoy life, if you can't enjoy it, what is the point in living?
true!
5 hours mo-thur is the best
so you can't conceive of a job in that doesn't involve enjoying life? The problem isn't if you spend 6 or ten hours a day at a job, the problem is if those hours, every day of every week for you entire working life, are seen as a grey zone in which your not living.
I like the 8 hour a day as ideal one if it is an office job but a labour work should be about 6 hour per person :D
but I mean for example, I am studying medicine, and for me it doesn't seem like, ok now im just pissing away my life working, waiting until I go out to "have fun and actually enjoy life", as in that for me is an important part of my life that gives me joy, and that I'm passionate about, far more than sitting in a cinema or playing golf or some shit.
No big difference compared with South Korea. We all work hard for the company we belong, but the fact is that our boss want us to work harder. They dont actually care our condition and what we really do. All they want is development of their own company. And of course there are some exceptions. I still remember a comment of a news about overworking in Korea: Hell yeah they(boss) want us to work like the company belongs to us and always tell us to work like a family, but when its a payday, they give money like we are divorced couple or abandoned siblings.(which makes sarcastic remarks on Korean overwork but lesspay)
Work smarter not harder. Back in the days i only worked for 8 hours everyday as signed in the contract, then walked home. Other workers looked at me like i was an alien. FUN!
I worked for the company for more than 3 years then quit and open my little restaurant. Hope my story will reach out to other salaryman working overtime out there. Stay strong mates.
until recently i thought staying late until your boss and everyone finishes means working a lot more, but then i heard that everyone already finished their work and they just keep waiting and pretend to work.
why cant companies see that making people wait at their workplace and have no private life instead is making them miserable and therefore unmotivated and more ineffective at work?
why is this morale thing more important than the actual work they do?
i wish there was a young generation who would speak up and not play along!
I think the girl at 1:54 hit the nail on the head. I've worked in East Asia (Not Japan specifically, but South Korea), and I can tell you, employment was very superficial and inefficient. What was actually accomplished, probably could have been done in half the time.
Here in Japan, after they finish their actual work, they start compiling individual reports of all the things that they did at work that day. Who the heck even reads those reports??
Exactly! I'd go crazy working at a Japanese company! If I'm done with my work, but they expect me to just sit around all day acting like I'm busy....Oh hell no!!
Japanese work ethics is known to be the most respectable and looked up to worldwide for a reason, but too much of anything is bad.. and this is really bad.
My condolences for the woman's family and loved ones.
Yes, but the office culture is a bit.... My brother worked at a software company in Japan and he said the work culture was very inefficient. Longer hours doesn't necessarily mean more productive. At times workers were just pressured to stay longer due to peer pressure as they said in the video. Looking and appearing busy was more important than actually producing good useful work. It wasn't unusual to see people sleep at work. Look at how Scandinavian hours work short normal hours yet still have good work output.
In the rest of the developed world, the Japanese work ethic is generally seen by those who know of it as backward and unproductive because they put almost zero value on quality and only judge based on quantity. Anyone with common sense knows that seven hours of focused work is far more productive than 13 hours of mind-slaving from people who have turned themselves and each other into braindead zombies. Japan is falling behind in technology, government and social structure because of such backward values. In a country where their entire education system is based on memorizing and it's basically taboo to think, they aren't exactly making a lot of headway these days, and it fits in perfectly with the topic issue in the video. It's stuff like this that makes me glad I grew up in the US.
i have never heard that they are being looked up to. dont know where you got that. i think they are pretty much known for working a lot and being very unproductive and having a super ineffective and unnecessarily complicated workflow.
Desutoroyalove Well now you heard it kid, please refrain of being a salty brat.
I have lived in Russia,Ukraine and the middle east (specifically UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia ) it's an international reputation, almost everyone agrees that Japanese work ethics is the role model they strive to be like, especially after how everyone saw the severe devastation and nuclear destruction that resulted it on Japan after WWII and how the Japanese managed to built it all again from the Ground Up and became even better than ever, that in less than 50 years they were dominating the world, this is not something to be taken lightly.
However like I said too much of anything is bad and they should definately try to refine the system as fast as possible.
you are really a very likable person. not. i am probably double your age and i know what i am talking about and you are talking about something entirely else. obviously this is not about history but about today. just try to focus and dont run around insulting people. smh.
I think this is a very interesting topic, thanks for interviewing people about it.
The irony is that for Japan, a nation widely perceived to be cutting-edge in technology and efficiency, NOT relying on a results-oriented work ethic is far from being efficient. Only "appearing" to work hard and staying long hours in the office (because you don't want to appear that you went home earlier than the boss) does NOT equal productivity. The more tired an employee is from long hours of work, the greater his productivity will drop. Staying in the office long (using up electricity, etc.) but not having any substantial material results to show for it, e.g. because of the tiredness, etc. is the exact opposite of efficiency and productivity. For all it's faults and imperfections, I think the "Western" work ethic of being "results-oriented" (and the indifference in how long one actually stays in the office) is a great thing and should gain more widespread support in Japan.
I know this comment is a few years old, but I so agree with you!
Japan is laughable when it comes to ‘cutting-edge’ technologies. Bureaucracy is entirely based on papers and people still use the fax machines. ATM is not even 24 hours.
"In Japan, you're judged by how hard you 'appear' to be working"
What if you look super busy but you're really just browsing and trolling reddit for 14 hours a day?
Tf are you doing there?
😂😂😂
no wonder they're not having sex
Why are westerners so obsessed with sex? lol
because t is an important part of life and unless you are asexual, then stop being in denial. Sex is a basic human need along with food and water.
อติรุจ Why not?
อติรุจ It's not an obsession it's a necessity. Sex is needed to increase population, as it is right now, population is declining.
the problem is not only just sex, but having kids. to get popullation growing up you need at least more than 2 kids.
Japan like any developed Country have 1 or 2 kids per familly, some have no kids.
don´t forget abortion is legal in Japan, Making 90% of teenager prefer to abort unlike some other Countries.
What sort of work are these people doing that require more than 8-10 hours per day? and how the rest of the world manage to accomplish all this without overworking their employees? how do you keep yourself that busy throughout the day? smaller workforce in companies? bottleneck in the workflow processes? what seems to be the problem?
lakib adhikari its not about work i guess its about who get home last
Yeah, they probably prolong their stay and put up a productive front to make themselves seem reputable. Although this requires less energy than actual overtime, they're still spending the time they could have gone home and rested by staying in the office looking busy.
they work very ineffectively and have a terrible workflow. also they finish their work in the usual time and have nothing to do while they wait for their boss to finish. i heard from a foreigner working there he started working on tasks for the next day during overtime and his coworkers were pretty confused by that idea.
lakib adhikari salarymen working culture is a case of working more for less...peer pressure and other factors are also part of the problem we dont really know as we havnt worked there but from the information it is clear there are major problems...me i worked in catering 10hr shifts were a short day 8hrs was a shorter day 6hrs was good excuse too got get drunk.lol i worked 12 too 14hr shifts 5 to 6 days a week 5yrs later got a new job with shorter hours ...hello life im back!! lol
It happened because of US support and technology transfer.
Lived in Japan for 18 years and loved many aspects of the country.
But the idea of working yourself into an early grave leaving a family behind I always found quite insane.
『働き方改革』=持ち帰り残業によって、業務時間を減らしているように見せる技術。
Japanese government introduces "work style-reforms". But the truth is that we take work home and say "we reduce the work hours Boss". And boss says "well done slaves".
A very interesting video about a sensitive issue (I think) in Japanese society. At first I thought that the interviewees would evade the subject (for public opinion) but their opinions have been very diverse and interesting.
This channel looks great, I subscribe! Greetings from Barcelona :)
The problem is that employees probably can't speak because if you start to contest your working hours by yourself you would just get fired right ?
When I see in France how people won't even do 10 more minutes if it's required.. They sometimes even pack their stuff 10/15min earlier to be sure to leave right on time.. And here they can work hours more and they are not even paid for it..
Man.. Are we even living on the same planet ..?
It's more like there is a common view in Japan (not with every single individual person - it's cultural and systemic) that it's best not to cause problems for anyone or "make waves" as some would say. It's considered best to go with whatever you're told and what everyone else is doing, because it's better for everyone. A lot of times that's good, but like in situations like these, it's dangerous for people who find themselves unhappy with their lives and only end up making it worse because they feel they can't or shouldn't ask for help or try to change things. So rather than getting fired for asking for shorter hours, it would just cause your boss and co-workers to have a lower opinion of you and likely have bad things to say about you, and to a lot of people, that's even worse than being let go from the job, because it's not good to be singled out negatively.
jiji I don't give a shit if my boss is the president, I will NEVER work for extra hours ✌
asians in general like to be more peaceful
I would say S. Korea is almost as bad. For me, I worked 7-10pm , sometimes till midnight. On top of that we have this company gathering where we drink a ton of booze(soju). Sounds fun but it's really not
Veronica Shim I really don't get it 😕 WHY tf you guys work for looong hours and say Nothing to ur bosses??? I mean he's not gonna point a gun to ur head!!!!!!
Hala Hala then your time in the office becomes tough enough to the point you have to quit. Then your disobedienceness gets known in the industry and you're never able to get a job again. quite similar to pointing a gun to your head, i think.
mujjingun No, I disagree with you here.. You know why?? Cz when you show to boss that ur weak and Okey with extra hours, he'll continue treating u like a machine and nothing else BUT if u stand up to him he'll either do wt you want cz after all ur the one who's making the money for his company not the other way around, OR he kick you out, right?! Am fine with being fired cz there's plenty of opportunities out there.. my life aint gonna end ✌
Hala Hala yeah, unfortunately it doesn't work like that. there are plenty of unemployed people just waiting to get a job, and the only person who gets affected by your quitting is you. the company can just hire more people who'll be more than glad to be a slave to the company. then will you get through years of job interviews to be forced to quit again? no. you'll work gladly where they've accepted you, disobeying your boss is over the horizon. i envy your culture where it's possible to do that.
Wait, let me get this straight!! So wt ur saying is that the boss has the right to make you work extra hours but am wrong if I complain to him?????? 😂 cz if thats the case its ur life and ur decision I won't tell you wt to do.....
And yes there are plenty unemployment out there who can fill my position when I quite BUT before I quit I make sure to find a job that's suitable and acceptable!!
Really love this channel!
I felt really bad to watch this, I agreed with the last guy - You shall work so you can live not live your life to work.
I work part-time job and many people in the beginning look down on me for doing that.
Like I'm lazy but when they see how much I can do on my spare-time they all starting to question about how much they work and have no time to spend on the spare-time.
Yes I don't get rich by doing this but I earn enough to survive and have afford to do fun stuff on my spare time and have a lot of time to do what I want after I come home from work. I'm not lazy - I'm smart.
If I was able to own a company in Japan I would make sure the employees didn't had to work overtime.
You have only one life to live and that is what you are going to live for.
I wish Asian Boss uploaded more often heh.. Love what the channel is striving for! I know and wish this channel will keep growing but I hope it stays to its true values unlike most, where fame and money blinds them.
quality over quantity my man
Jesus I'm glad I live in Australia. how would you ever see your kids/partner if you work into the evening?
@@fakhruddinsamad around half do, but it's just become natural to not have your partner be a partner in the way that it is here, rather just a person you share money, kids and items and don't really have time to love.
In South Korea, overworking environment is similar with Japan, or worse. (or this video dont express worse cases).
For example, some companys dont give overtime payment to workers although he or she worked overtime. These companys adopt expedients to not to give money to workers.
Moreover, this video describes just to wits(?) boss, but actually if someone leaves at regular time after finishing work, bosses give bad evaluation for promotion and salary negotiation. This customs at South Korea(I think Japan also have) are fxxking shit for employees.
Also in my country companies don't pay overtime, but we don't work more than 10-11 hours per day, fortunately (I am talking about office jobs, I don't know much about physical jobs)
It's ok that role is taken up by "Unpaid Interships"
Japan and S.Korea sharing same shit culture called Confucianism
04:08 "The employee should've been aware of her limits and communicated to her boss accordingly." Are you kidding? It was her boss who put her in that situation. She couldn't communicate with her boss. It is difficult for a person trapped in prolonged mental abuse and lack of sleep to make proper judgments or take action to get out of trouble.
This is actually pretty interesting
yeah
Thats why Japanese want to work at Malaysia because we off work on time😂 The best work in Malaysia is becoming a teacher, 6 hours working time and free on Saturday and Sunday.
tbf teaching is more than the morning hours at school, teachers have to prepare the lesson for the day after, correcting homework etc, attending meetings...
@@scaccu i totally agree with you. Indeed! My father was a teacher
At the afternoon he also have to attend extra class for his students...
And at the night he need to mark the exercise books then...
Sometimes has no time until he order me to help him marking the examination or exercise books
@@izzydoesart3297 actually i agreed too, because my father also a teacher. He not only work on weekdays, even weekends and holiday. he do most of the construction job at school, like expand the stage... Just to reduce school budget.
@@ArcticZombie i think it would be great if work on private school.... but not for public school
hello friends
This video is over 2years old but it is more refreshing to listen to and be aware of than any tv media i've witnessed the 28years I've been alive.
japanese society needs to wake up to the future, they have so much technology but also live in the past, stop with these extra hours ( japanese birthrate will increase ) and open the country.
it might not be the reason, but i am sure the birthrate would increase if people would get home on time and actually had to think of things they could do in their free time.
It is interesting that with more technology our lives become busier, don't you think. I think there is a technology-trap that our society is getting into.
yep. birthrate is not related with work.
Developed country even with more freetime have usually 1 or 2 kids. to grow up the population of a Country u need more than 2 kids.
with high cost of life in Japan nobody nowdays wants more than 2 kids or even 1 kid.
Toshio O. land is really expensive in japan,i guess thats why young people dont want to have a family
gyrules my aunt has 4 kids in Japan, good for her
Nobody lays on their death bed saying " I wish I would've worked more"
There is no other channel that enlightens me as much as yours (and I follow a good deal of them.) Well done, guys! You earned my subscription a while ago.
I imagine these interviews were done on a Sunday or national holiday, because otherwise, how could these people even be walking around outside with their significant others.
I am surprised by how well made and professional this is.
Really, well done.
ThisisPow why?
Punta Kinte Why what?
Such an inspiring video. I,as a Korean which is nextdoor country to Japan, can strongly sympathize what's happened in Japan. Korea has the second best working hour among so called developed countries group OECD and it's somehow doesn't feel right. I feel fortunate that my neighbor country also starts to raise question about too much working for nothing. There're a lot to change but for me it's a good sign to change for future
Thanks a lot for this. Very interesting!
in your videos, i really like the questions that you ask to extract opinions
Great video. I've lived in Japan for 8 years and can vouch for this fact - except in a few MNCs which have set up shop in Japan, the average work environment there forces you to spend long hours at work. A lot of that is due to inefficiency. But the best part of working there is you get a sense of what 'quality' really means. And the loyalty of employees to their companies is something worth emulating. The absence of mercenary culture (like how it is in US where I live now!) in the way the companies and employees try to take advantage of each other, is a very refreshing, positive thing in Japan. As is always the case, there are good and bad things everywhere!
‘Loyalty’ is because if you find another job, you have to start your salary from starting salary again. Do you even know 年功序列？
The "loyalty" is what keeps salaries low and people stuck in middle class and lower. I can't speak for Japan but in the US, one of the best ways to get a decent raise is change jobs. If current employers have a tight fist, they aren't worth staying with.
A job is a contract, folks. You owe loyalty to your family.
I am an American who once worked for a Japanese company here in the States. The work-life balance was always going back and forth between Japanese and American work styles. I learned a lot from Japanese interns as well. It was all very interesting.
This is another very interesting video! It offered a lot of insight into an issue that seems very bizarre at first.
really great video kei, very insightfuk
I worked in chinese company (not japanese) once. Employees here overworked and didn't get extra money. They got bonuses but it depends on company sales. I always be the one who home on time and I didn't care, I had done my job, and I have personal life. Boss act like they're care but they're mad when people home early and they mocking us in group so all employees know. We deserve 12 days of holiday per year. But boss cut it for holiday that's not suppose to be count. We never get holiday in national day, when all people enjoy their time with family, we work full time like usual, they will suspend the holiday in Saturday, but Saturday is supposed to be a half day work.
I could heard rage everyday from my boss and it affected my productivity as worker in creative division. Environment affect my creativity.
So yeah I quit and my boss cried. Meh, I don't care.
That's bad impression for me, but I wish not all japan/chinese company like that. It's sad.
I've gotten i'll 3 times and nearly died 1 time due to overworking in a japanese company. I think the main problem is there is no functioning workers union inside every company I've worked in and they have a bad HR management system and how they see new worker as
trash compared to old workers who are the real trash and holding the company down.
Great interview!
Thank you for this video. It's really very clear and questions are well-structured. The answers of people gave me better understanding how Japanese people are open-minded. Hope this issue will find better solution for everyone. People should live their lives not just work.
I wish there was a way we could better help the Japanese people
One would think with the decreasing population in Japan that there would be more jobs to do. So, you wouldn't have to work at slave-driving companies.
What? If anything Japan needs to increase the birth rate. It's abysmally low. That's why the Japamese government is doing all these campaigns to get people to have more babies. Because in the future there will be tons of old people (esp with the super long expected life spans of Japanese) but a pool of workers in the workforce (younger people) that is wayyy too small to sustain the country. And the economy will go down the dumps
We need to start up some awesome company in Japan, make it really profitable and cool...and then at 5pm FORCE everyone to go home and have a life. Half day on Fridays too. All the employees will be super happy and perhaps other companies will take note and slowly change their way of operating.
Hah, shame I have zero business ability, so it's never going to happen.
tigermunky good idea!
The Government needs to slip some Viagra into the country's drinking water system. Bam! Nine months later ... just sayin.
Well that easily demotivates me from moving to Japan. The "how hard you appear to be working" is what really gets to me.
You could work for a western company there
cool... I've actually been asking this question to my students quite often. Nice one Asian Boss, keep up the good work. Your contents are really nice :)
That is some seriously good and interesting show. Nicely done!
What's the point of having money if one cannot enjoy life due to work..
such a gem statement - "we work to live our lives rather than living to work"
True you are evaluated on how hardworking you appear
Thank you for your videos.
Everytime I go to my job. I wanna do it like how I did in the US where I just work until my shift ends and just leave. In Japan though every time before work I tell myself that's what i'm going to do, but end up not leaving until the boss says I can go which is the usual way in Japan. Also the fact that my dad works overtime and goes to work on his break days too just to go to work. Makes me feel like shit when I don't work more even if I'm working for no pay. I think it really has to do with how normal it is and how it affects your reputation.
In the US it’s increasingly on trend to follow the saying “work smarter, not harder.” Longer hours than required are frowned upon because you should be able to get it all done quickly in the 7-9 hours they give you a day. It’s a great saying to have if your place of employment has a full load of qualified staff, but many companies are cutting down on workers, so it actually becomes stressful. If the US would actually employ enough workers in all Departments, we would probably experience a much less stressful life. There would probably be a decrease in rage related incidents like road rage, escalated fights over nothing, less tolerance for political rage and the teachers would even be able to teach better. Having more teachers and classrooms for smaller sized classes, thus improving our education just because a teacher will be able to provide more attention per student.
Very good video, it's an interesting point of view! (From an European worker)
a very nice and important topic. Good job !
I think what workers need in japan are "workers sharing session" at least once a week where they can spit out their complaints or their "bad stuffs and experiences". My company i work in is did that too as a result the workers are always in good condition physically and mentally
Same that happened to me in Seoul, your boss is like your God here, thanks God I am foreigner i could quit and juat move back to my cuntry
I just quit my job 2 weeks ago because I was working 12-14 hours a day on top of my 1 hour commute. My boss had such a stupid look on his face like he couldn't fathom the idea of me quitting because of the hours. I told him just because everyone works like a dog doesn't mean it's okay to work us like dogs. I delivered beer 24pcks and about 40 kegs (170lbs) daily to stores and restaurants. It is exhausting!
The worst part is I was on salary 56k a year you went home when you finished your route. If it takes you all day you don't make a cent more just your daily pay. Also you still had to unload your truck u-boats, 35-45 empty kegs that had to be stacked on pallets with like brands.
I have 3 very nice vehicles 1 motorcycle on top of a lot of nice things truly blessed. I would give it all up if I could go back to school this very second, and just start over really take the time to appreciate myself, and every opportunity to enjoy life that I missed out on because I put work over actually living first.
I really enjoyed watching this video.
Wtf 10-11 hours
I would just be a hikikomori and chill
Ayyyyy
한국하고 되게 비슷하네.. 눈치보여서 못 가고 스트레스 풀러 노래방가고
Kampy187 학창시절이 가장 그리운데 나는...
Kampy187 학교에서 머무르는 시간과 근무 시간은 아예 비교 대상이 아니라고봅니다..학교는 정한 시간 이후에는 끝나죠. 여기에서는 잔업,야근같이일반적인 근무시간을 초과한 시간에 대해서 말하고 있지 않습니까..
***** 아,그런 맥락이라면 일리가 있네요. 다만 세세하게 따져보면, 그런건 학교에서 모두 이뤄진다보다기는 학교 이외 학원이나 가정에서 이어지는 잔업이잖아요. 직장인식으로 말해보면, 기존 직장에서 추가로 이뤄지는 잔업이라기보단 기존의 일을 하면서 또 다른 알바를 뛰는개념에 가까운거죠.어느 쪽이든 가혹한 양에 시달린다는 점에서는 비슷하겠지만서두요.
Kampy, i heard this before and it is crazy. every time i hear it i am shocked again. to me this sounds like child abuse.
do koreans even know that in other first world countries children go to school from 8am to 1pm and then play the rest of the day and sleep 9 hours? and still have really good education?
From a sociological point of view, you phrased your questions very well: they're very clear and did not seem leading. This interview therefore came out as both objective and informative. I liked it.
You translated it as just "yes", but the first guy answers "I am, of course". I feel that the fact that he adds "of course" tells so much about this topics. Great video!
In Singapore, we work long hours too, especially if one works for SMEs. But working overtime all the time will get you notice for all the wrong reasons because it is seen as a sign that you might not be setting priorities and you are not managing your time well. Working longer hours does not necessarily equate to greater productivity and in fact, decreases productivity in the long run. If I'm not mistaken Japan has one of the lowest productivity rates among developed countries. Top executives in Japanese companies are fully to blame and they must allow their managers to leave no later than 1-2hrs after official working hours. The staff will follow.
What can you achieve, what quality work can you produces if you work twice as long as you sleep per day. Because I can't image people working for 11 hours a day can sleep the full 8 hours. It's not like life stops while you're at work. You still have to eat and drink, do housework, raise children, keep educating yourself. Plus from what I know of Japan, people spend a lot of time commuting to and from work, like hours. So how they keep on living and working adequately is a mystery to me.
I work in software development and a lot of our working practices are based on the way Toyota and other companies work (maybe used to work, idk). It's where agile working methodologies come from. In the book "Scrum: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time" the author mentions in-company studies being done that point out to the ideal working week being a bit under 40 hours. If you work more than that you make more mistakes than you produce quality product. And I think there have been academical studies on the same topic, tough I don't have any sources atm.
So It's a bit surprising that Japanese people are doing the opposite of "Work smart not hard" more and more.
My mother once didn't come home for a week. She had been sleeping in her office for a week before an important deadline, working 20 hour days, all through the night and into the next morning and that was why she couldn't come home.
Very interesting and enlightening video
일본이나 우리나라나....
From someone who works 8-10 (14hrs) a day, I feel their pain. There's no going around it, you will get sick no matter what!
Is that still the situation for you? That must suck :/
Really smart interview
A relative of my mother used to work in Japan many decades ago. Ended up getting tuberculosis due to bad working conditions, plus overwork stress.
『逃げる手段も持たなければならない』と言う方が居られたけれど、本当に追い込まれた人こそ視野が狭まって逃げるという選択肢に辿り着けないのだと思う。
they do finish their work in 8 hours and still waste their time on overtime.
this problem already starts for kids who can learn everything in school and still have to take private classes before and after school to learn the same things multiple times.
when working hard means working a lot and not doing quality work, its just fucked up.
Thank you!
thank you so much
That remind of the story of a French Buisnessman who started an office in Japanthe problem was that in France, the boss is the last one to leavehe had to force himself to go home in time to avoid killing everyone from overwork because none of the employee wanted to go home before him by respect
what name
The sacrifices maintain high quality. Such as Public transportation system on time, Keeping the deadline for launching product, Extremely polite staffs working for even cheap store. Some say Japan is a good country to visit but not work. So I decided to leave Japan.
some of these guys really hit the point. It is better to work hard to finish on time than doing unnecessary long hours unless there is a special event that justifies doing so. And people should not forget to live...
I'm hoping to move to and work in Japan someday, and I've definitely heard plenty of scary things about the overworking mentality and かろうし especially. Going into this video, I was worried the general opinion would be "well, it's just how things are, it can't be helped" but I'm glad that everyone interviewed seemed to think that this mentality definitely needs to change. It makes me hopeful that maybe things won't be so bad by the time I get there.
I think that most human beings in the world when presented to it can be appalled and disgusted by the Japanese culture of overworking and of karoshi, even Japanese themselves.
일본에서 이런 일이 있었는 지 몰랐네 ....... 근데 정말 뭐 남의 나라 일이 아닌 듯하다.
이 주제로 한국인의 의견도 듣고 싶네요.
mihye park what does it mean?
mihye park I agree
나도요...
Everyone of these people gave such thoughtful answers. This goes to show how matured and intelligent each of them is, sad to see they are put under such tremendous stress.
I think personally, this video could probably go on for a little bit more due to the fact that this issue is not only a major issue in Japan but in the corporate world of most of the Asian countries. The Japanese philosophy of "One for All and All for One" , I think can also be seen as the stem of how the concept of Karoshi becoming one of the many cause of death in Japan.
Thank you for the video, it's been an eye opener :).
日本人は自尊心が強いんです。
自分のやっている事に見返りが無い事には生きていけないんです。意識高い系の人間やＳＮＳ等での構ってちゃんっぷりな投稿などが良い例。自分を幸せに見せ他人との差をつける事が生き甲斐なのです。悲しいですが助け合いの中で、自己満足というよりは利益を求める人間も多いのです。
한국이랑 완전 똑같냐; 일본은 좀 널럴해 보였는데
SH L 한국이랑 일본은 붕어빵..조직 집단을 너무 의식해버리는 나머지 개인적 행복자체를 추구하길 꺼려하는..조직역시 그걸 이용하려한다는..
i love how smart people are in japan, i mean he is just asking random people on the street not so easy to answer questions and yet everyone did solid answers, in my country (germany) more than half of the people who have been asked would have said something stupid.
My family and I were able to visit Osaka and Kyoto for the first time last April. I remember riding a train one Sunday about 3pm and we saw three young Japanese men (maybe early 20s) who were all asleep wearing the same suit and carrying the same briefcase (I guess they worked for the same company). They really looked very tired and worn out. That's about the saddest thing we saw on our trip.
Unpaid overtime. That’s wild. Time equal money, time unpaid means you made yourself worthless.
If you light candles everywhere in your house, would you be surprised if it burns down? Building a society of slaves who live to work will make many people severely depressed and some even suicidal. Don't act surprised, and don't give fault to anyone but yourself for feeding this sick system.
It takes courage to walk your own path in life, and in Japan that goes twice because the social pressure is immense.
Thank you for the interesting interviews. Please bring more of these rather than "sex"-related ones.