What The Japanese Think of Suicide | ASIAN BOSS
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What do you think of suicide?
Do your country have suicide problems?
日本の自殺率は２６位だ。６位ってのはどっから出てきた数字だ？ソースを持って来い
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Thank you for working so hard! Really appreciate your work!
I'm from New Zealand, and we unfortunately have the world's worst Youth (15-19yrs) suicide rates. This is caused by a lot of things, like the Christchurch Earthquake (2010/11) but also by a very "she'll be right" attitude where perservering is seen as the right thing to do. We don't put enough government funding into mental health treatment either.
I hope we can work together to help suicide levels decrease. Bless you Hiroko-San for doing this interview. :)
I’m from Indonesia, I dont think the country is known for its suicide rate but I’ve personally tried to commit suicide twice. So has my close friend.
And lately I’ve been reading more suicide news.
As for my case it was depression, during my adolescent years.
My close friend, he had overwhelming family and relationship problems.
And for what happens in the news theres more different cases;
Somebody hung himself live on Facebook cause his wife cheated & left him
Some mom dragged her kids to die together also because of infidelity..
It’ll be 300 pages long if we want to break it down based on different cases of suicide..
But basically I think theres a dark circle between one’s mental health and how society works that won’t ever end, so..
Last man: " (...) I'd talk to them. I don't know exactly how much it would help but at the very least, I'd like to hear what they have to say".
That was very sweet to hear. I've had depression for more than a decade, and knowing that people like that exists makes me feel more comfortable.
He seems to be so affected. I wish more can be done to help people with suicidal tendencies.
I can see there's a great divide in the older and younger generations thinking
Eve R there’s always a divide in every generation. Everyone always believes their generation superior to the next
Naturally.
I can see this pattern of thinking in my country as well. Most older people seem to think that depression it´s a form of weakness. They believe that since they overcame their hardships, anyone incapable of doing so must be weak. And also, because in their times it was taboo to talk about depression and other mental health issues, they feel as these didn´t exist back in their days- which is of course, wrong.
@@GratsielaLily survivor bias I suppose
It is not that old people lost their soul. Its sounds so wrong if you think like that, thinking back, old people that faced the terror of war or have the economy struggle is much worse than us rn. Knowing the old man said something like that, i think that old generations have a strong mentality and fought the depression well / didnt even have a good education about depression back then.
It’s always “if the person had reached out”. Come on guys, it’s not that simple. People don’t forsake their lives because they are weak or helpless; it’s because they have lost all sense of hope. It’s just so tough to break out of absolute hopelessness and “reaching out” is easier said than done in most cases.
We should stop offering unsolicited opinions or explanations to people at risk, but rather simply just offer assistance and help. The last thing these people want to hear is someone else trying to explain how they feel or how they should feel.
what what Couldn't have said any better. Some people focus only on intentions and the eagerness when doing something, but with things that should be approached carefully like mental disorders where there are clearly wrong ways to go about it, good intentions and wanting to make things better by themselves just don't cut it. Being considerate and caring while also being aware of what's going on and what kinds of results your words and actions can lead to is also important.
Its all a matter of how you define it. "Its just too tough to break out of" is parallel to "weak". Both statements equate to finding the willpower to break out of your current mindset and thought patterns. This takes strength.
Shmee not exactly. A jail cell has steel bars. To escape the jail cell, the prisoner cuts or damages the bars, rather than brute forcing it. As such, it has nothing to do with the strength of the individual but the tools they are provided with - therapy, emotional support, or medication.
It’s kind of the same concept here. Depression is that kind of jail cell, and every individual who’s suffered or is suffering from depression has varying “thickness” in said _steel bars_ ; it’s why even absolute fighters have succumbed to the confinement.
Not to mention most times you reach out and people don't even respond well, the whole thing probably gets worse or negatively affect more people which is why nobody reaches out in the first place. Pretending as if crying for help can always make the situation better because everyone are angels and heroes is so hypocritical.
It's especially true for guys, literally everybody will just tell you about how wrong YOUR personal feelings are in one way or another. Like everybody will literally just dehumanise you further even in their "help". Girls might get some empathy if they are lucky, but it's not like it's much better.
In any case everybody always says oh reach out we will help you! Yea no if your situation can't be "helped" with a simple 20 minute talk people will start to be displeased with you immediately and quite often alienate you to shake of their own guilt. Everybody else has their own shit to deal with and society simply isn't as loving as people like to pretend to be.
It's like everybody pretends to be helpful and the embodiment of goodness... until beggars and broken people actually show up at the door, then watch as a million reasons come on why no help shall be given. And then watch as people go back to pretending like help is available as soon as nobody is demanding any.
Very few people are actual helper personalities, but makes the real world seem too depressing so we just pretend as if it's a common virtue.
This is how you end up with a whole world of "helpers" dropping a 0.01% of their income into some tax avoidance/management paying "charity" can call it a day, always refusing to spend even any bit of their own energy and resources into understanding anything about the things they are supposedly helping.
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Nah, recently most Koreans are furious at Chinese smog (PM2.5, PM10).
During Korean winter, due to westerly wind from China, the Korea is living hell!!
The next topic should be about Chinese smog air pollution.
Ask Chinese people about responsibility of their government,and ask Koreans how much they're anger at China!
제가 저번 동영상에 쓴댓글에 한국이 자살율이 oecd국가중에 가장높다는데 그게맞나요??혹시 제의견때문에 다음 토픽을 써주신거면 감사합니다 ㅎㅎㅎ 일본인들이 자살하는이유가 우울증을 가볍게 여기지 않는다는것,일을 많이해야된다는것 이런거를 볼때 한국과 굉장히 비슷하다고 느낍니다.원래 일본과 한국은 세계에서 가장 비슷한나라일껍니다 왜냐하면 한국은 일본의 식민지 였기때문이에요.
한국도 일본과 마찬가지로 정신과를 간다는거를 나약한사람,문제가 있는사람 이렇게 많이 인식합니다.또 한국과 일본은 이상할정도로 남의시선을 굉장히 많이 의식하고 삽니다.그런데도 한국이 일본보다 자살율이 높은이유 특히 한국은 남성의 자살율이 높고 남성과 여성의 기대수명이 가장많이 차이나는 나라입니다.인간의3대욕구인 식욕,수면욕,성욕중에 한국은 성엄숙주의여서 일본처럼 성산업이 발달되지도 않은것도 그중에 하나인것같습니다.사람들이 스트레스를 풀 방법도 모르고 게임만 하는나라입니다
그리고 징병제와 강제 야자, 강제 야근도 한몫하고 있죠.
저는 솔직히 말해서 군대만 강제로 안가도 진짜 살맛 날것 같습니다.
중소기업 가도 상관없으니.
You should do a topic about in the closet LGBT idols in korea.
This is a really hard topic to talk about. Thank you Asian Boss for bringing light to this topic
We shall not suicide! It's disrespect to the one who gave us life. It's immoral and a murder of yourself by your own hands.
@@outatisater7943 The reason people hurt/kill themselves is not to disrespect whichever god they believe in or their parents, it's not because they want to die. It's because they are not happy with the life they live, or the person that they are. It's not their fault they were cursed by a horrible stress disorder.
i have been living here for ten years and im a half japanese. i can somewhat answer in my own opinion. one thing is from my impression, people here dont seem to know how to enjoy life. they just work their butt off and have this behavior that society expects and if you dont youre a loser or a failure. i dont have that mind set since i wasnt raised here. second is what one of the guy in the video said about human connection being virtual now... thats already been disconnected way before the social network to be honest. you will never know who you are friends or close with here because people arent open and honest. im at a point where people here are full of crap. they are not honest or genuine. if they are thats very rare. so why would you have anyone to open up with your own problems when you cant even open up your own opinion. thats my opinion and my thoughts. ive lived in other countries so i can see how its different.
My little girl is half Japanese and I am concerned that Japan has a lot of transformational waking up to do for her to have anything approaching a good life.
i imagine it to be a little difficult to grow up as a half or quarter kid here in japan. i luckily didnt grow up here and wasnt too concerned by it back in the philippines. i was able to juggle both identities, culture, and language. not matter how hard you try to be japanese here, if you dont look like it, they will treat you differently here. people are still ignorant on what they say or think in regards to kids who are half or non japanese growing up in japan. so if you decide to raise your kid here in japan, think really hard of the thing they will deal with growing up because its really hard. i think some parents, especially japanese wives are just too proud to the idea of having a foreign husband and a mixed kid and get attention from people that they do not realize what kind of identity crisis and social difficulty the kid will deal with. im a teacher here i have kids who can obviously speak english but they refuse to speak it properly because they wanna feel like they belong to the group. or if they look foreign and cant speak, they still get discriminated for it. ive heard stupid things like people saying my mom is not a educated person or my dad met my mom in some pub or something. yet my mom is an educated person who came to this country as a student. i luckily didnt have to deal with the idea of being a half since every where i went i was pretty much just bein myself. i went to an international school in the philippines and i went to the US for college. i can speak japanese like a native japanese yet im still treated like an outsider.
I am a concerned English father with an (ex) Japanese wife indifferent to our child's feelings. She loves our daughter just as I do, so I am concerned our child's real feelings are being re-conditioned out of her, just as her mother was socially conditioned.
from my observation i havent seen too many well balance mixed marriages. its either they divorce. or usually the kid becomes more japanese due to the kid living in japan most of their life and not having much of an english environment at home. its good to have that balance for the kid. and to make sure to cherish and love who they are and where they came from not care what other people think. if people dont understand or accept you, thats there problem and there ignorance. luckily in the school im teaching, kids do not get bullied or discriminated as much. if it ever happens we give them a big talk about how its not okay and its not acceptable.
jaysato Hey, I am wondering if you can help me? I want to be an English teacher in Japan, not just as a transition job, but I want this to be my career. I have a heart for the Japanese people, I believe that just like many people outside of Japan commit suicide do to depression and just don't know better, it's the same with the Japanese people, but almost the whole society is like that instead of select individuals. I believe it's a difficult path, but change is nevertheless very possible.
What I want to ask is - can a teacher help a student if they notice they have depression or other mental struggles? I've lived in two countries and in both it's acceptable for the teacher to talk to the student alone. Is that so in Japan? Is it possible for you to give me any advice? Any advice would be much appreciated!
All the best to you. ^^
I swear the older people they interview the wilder the opinion is in your videos. Like what the old man said” they were too weak.” Well he seems to not know what its like at all
Indeed. As someone who's only recently gotten medication and therapy for my depression, it's not really helped that much at all, and I'm still struggling. A lot of the time I want to cave in and just, y'know, be done with everything, but I don't feel like that'd be because I'm weak. I feel like it's because I'm tired of being strong and fighting these feelings away. Even on good days just trying to stay positive is exhaustive. I feel like people with any kind of mental disorder are some of the strongest there are, even if they ultimately lose out to it in the end. To keep fighting with yourself day after day, well, I think that makes someone strong. It's a lot to deal with on top of everything else.
i think they do this for a reason. theyre trying to provide a diverse yet accurate way of the public perception. its very common that older people tend to have more drastic views on topics like this. they grew up in a different generation where they dealt with different problems than current times
He’s right in a way. Those people should’ve dealt with it a way without causing pain to the people that love them
Althought it may sound harsh, i promise you it is true. You must be strong to go through the troubles of life and not end it. It isnt an insult, its just the TRUTH and the old man says the truth. People have gone through worse like war and death all around them, and they still have the hope of a better future. You must be strong to have hope and never let it waiver.
it probably wasn't as bad in his generation, so I'm sure its hard for him to understand. everyone is a product of their own society
I think the old man made his insensitive comment because he probably grew up in a worst time, when Japan wasn't as prosper, probably experienced world war 2, so sees little sympathy for, and is callous against, young people that kill themselves because of depression.
Also for people who never experienced depression, have no idea why a depressed person would do the things they do, read David Foster Wallace's take on suicide.
Victor P. Yeah, why kill yourselves over bad feelings, when in his time they might struggle not to starve to death. Depression while living in a first world country is laughable compared to post-war poverty. It's more than likely that people had depression back then. They just had more pressing issues to deal with over such trifling matters.
Alan's Saladbar Whoa! It is Not 'laughable' at all! Stop devaluing the pain of someone who is heartbroken, clinically depressed, etc! Often, it is a genetic predisposition and cannot be controlled! It is not a choice!
Sometimes, meds help and are needed!
It is a large, deep topic!
Your attitude is part of the problem! You obviously have not experienced it! It is like telling a cancer patient how to feel when you never been through it yourself and never have known the anguish!
Or talk to those who have or used to have depression.
depression and other mental illness are not just "bad feelings"
Lenita A Ha, how do you know I haven't experienced it before? Like I described, depression is not something of the first world. Making yourself the victim is a first world problem. Probably because there's just no big pressing problem weighing on you, eg your children and old parents possibly starving to death. In that case there's just no other way but to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get to work. It's completely possible to power through pain and illness, and debilitating conditions in some cases, if there is a big enough impetus.
Don't tell me you can't pull yourself together and push through pain, unless you're fully paralyzed or in a catatonic state. People on wheelchairs have completed races, people with deformities have surpassed themselves. And here you are whining about "ooo poor me, the world hates me", while the rest of the world passes you by. Your attitude is part of the problem. Stop coddling a bunch of grown adults like they're 6 year olds. Jesus Christ.
Those advices about 'you should go for a nice meal.' and 'hang in there for a day or a week and do something you love' and 'talk with a person close to you' really warm my heart. Thank you for this absolutely beautiful video.
smile rin its very sweet and they mean well but it really shows that people don't know much about depression.. A nice dinner might make your day but it won't cure your depression, same with doing something you love for a day or a week. Talking to someone is a good one though!
And sadly, talking to a friend or family might not help much either. Since most of them don't know how to deal with the situation.... many people suffering from depression have taken their lives, despite having loving families and friends. Not to mention celebrities who had, apart from love in their lives, money,fame and appreciation. It only goes to show how serious and complicated depression is. We need more education on the topic of mental health, not only in Japan and SK, but everywhere in the world :(
kiki kiki Plenty of people getting professional help have still decided to go through with it. Not a single person in the world will get rid of depression by working out, sleeping well and eating healthy. When people are depressed they don't think about having a night of good sleep. Telling that to them makes it harder for them rather than helps them.
I know they mean well but that advice isn’t super helpful. I mean, when I opened up to my sister about it after hiding my mental illness for years, she freaked out and was like “don’t think like that”. It just made me feel worse...now I don’t want to EVER talk to anyone about it.
not all depresion is caused by your life style, I live and was raised in the mountains and still have depresion, the only thing that has helped me are pills and terapy, people have to get a proper individual diagnosis and treatment, there is no cure it all for depresion
Japan's mental health care is so weird... my Japanese friend has depression and the treatment she gets is annual talks with a doctor and bi-monthly massages and neck treatments because they think if they cure her physical issues (lost of taste and smell sense) shed get better.. 🤷🏾
Obviously it might be just her doctor but I was still shocked at that~...
If you get out of the public health system (aka pay more), you'd get better treatment
The Massages, actually, is a good idea! It values a person through touch and care, and can be beneficial for someone that has lost her or his self-esteem, self-confidence, etc! It is reaffirming! Yet, it needs to be accompanied by regular weekly Counselling and Support Group!
Let her know of the Crisis Line, and online support groups, etc! Facebook has a number of the Depression Groups, also!
Depending on how depressed she is, you many need to gently encourage her and find help for her!
An Annual Chat with the Doctor is ludicrous in this day and age!
She may find meds
helpful! She can try St John's Wart, available in pharmacies over-the-counter!
This plant unlikely to help someone with severe depression! And, it cannot be mixed with prescription anti-depressants!
There are Sites that show what a Friend can do to help!
I've heard that seeking treatment for mental health problems is really looked down upon in Japan
She may have a severe neck problem which needs a Chiropractor to restore her nervous system and brain function to good balance. Massage will not help. So many young people of this generation are developing 'Text Neck' (Forward Head Pronation) and this problem is already reaching pandemic proportions globally. I am 20 months into treatment for this devastating problem so I know quite a lot about it. Look for Dr Allan Mandell on TH-cam...motivationaldoc - or Dr John Bergman (Chiropractor) for the expert truth. Good luck!
When my foreign friends in Japan experienced depression for the first time in their lives due to the schooling system, when they went to a (English speaking) psychiatrist and they didn't really listen to the problem or work through solutions. They threw antidepressant pills at the problem. Needless to say, nobody was really helped.
I wonder why the suicide rates are so high, when people are living in an extremely competitive society from a young age and told that their only goal is to get into a good university to get a good job. They are guaranteed a 'good life'. This is certainly not the case. When people are left out and heavily pressured by society, that is when they are feel isolated and depressed that they are 'failures' in life. There are so many ways to live and people are afraid to try it. The government should provide more opportunities so that individual talent is not wasted. Everyone is different and talent exists in different forms. I hope that everyone recognises their true value one day. It's better to live than to survive.
Daniel Kim well said
Daniel Kim "There are so many ways to live and people are afraid to try it" - I think this is an issue with the individual not the government. It's not like some government worker came up to Zuckerberg and asked him to try doing something different, and he started Facebook and he became successful. The opportunities already exist. The people who don't see the opportunities will lose out in other ways even if someone waved them right in their faces.
They were told to get into a good university to get a good job because it was the most obvious and straightforward way to get a pretty good life at the time. No one can tell you, hey start this restaurant, and maybe you will be able to start multiple stores around the world and get really rich. The market doesn't work like that, there's simply no way for you to know if it'll work out- as with most things.
On the other hand, if you work really hard and get into a decent medicine course and become a doctor, you'd have a pretty decent life. If you get into a decent law course, you can become a lawyer, or study accountancy and become an accountant. Etc. Yeah, it's not rocket science, it's just the more obvious ways to get a pretty good paycheck. Never mind that it could be boring or "not your thing", it's just a gateway for you to gain a lot of resources so you can do fun things. Of course if you already have a great idea to sell like Zuckerberg or Bill Gates, you don't need a puny college degree. But do you have such an idea?
Which irresponsible parent would tell a kid to play hard and just do whatever? A rich or stupid one most likely. No parent would wish for their kids to live in poverty and squalor if they can help it.
This is somewhat related. A while ago, a very well-established company (forgot which) lost an employee due to karoushi (death by exhaustion). The higher ups from the company all came out, apologized and said they'll do better to prevent karoushi from happening. I just get the feeling they're hardly making any progress... The term "karoushi" has been coined since 1982, and the phenomenon of death by exhaustion probably became a very prominent problem even before the term was coined. That's over 35 years ago. Barely anything has changed.
Individuality is hard to come by when Japan is a very homogeneous society
Universal basic income
Everyone: *Talks about suicide, how it's normal to go through a tough time and why you should talk to someone*
Japanese grandpa: SUICIDE IS FOR THE WEAK
Everyone: *depressed*
Japanese Grandpa: YEET
Everyone: exhausted
Japanese grandpa: OOF!
Everyone: Bipolar disorder
Japanese Grandpa: NANI?
WW2 Japanese army : **press x to doubt**
Maybe people like him are the reason why the Japanese committed a lot of suicides
Everyone was very sweet and genuine about this topic. Funny though how the one older man said they're weak. The older mentality is troubling.
Nah, generational differences. Later you would call people weak, if they don't want to work more than 6hours a day f.e. It depends how you grow up and the standards you learned. Obviously.
Kyrie Wolfi Diantonio no its just that hes older and is from a different time frame with different ideals and visions of how his country works.
Mister Dinner that's exactly what I fucking said you just sound more methodical.
로빈 "obviously" you just had to add that like a demeaning Jack ass didn't you? Saying just what I did just more methodical. Nit picky fucks.
Dude gets slightly corrected by two random internet people and gets all defensive, resorting to name calling and all. And then the older mentality is what's troubling, kek.
Thank you guys so much for doing this ❤️️ it's not just informative but more like eyeopening to know what the Japanese themselves think about suicide. Thank you ❤️️
Naomi Houston I agree 100% with you.
i totally agree i always see japans suicide rate pop up internationally as a topic but very few times have i seen the reporters talk to people from japan about how they really feel.
It truly saddens me to hear the word "weak" being applied as a label to people who are going through hell, just like the older gentleman is doing here. Knowing that many people give the cold shoulder to people who suffer is immensely tragic.
'Weak' competes automatically with the word 'strong'. In the context of this discussion the correct opposite of the word 'weak' is INSENSITIVE.
So, insensitive people. Does it make it any better though? Do you know the actual word used that's translated into "weak" in this video? Just curious.
Why ask the question when you can simply clarify.
...clarify what?
'The actual word used that's translated into 'weak' in this video'.
Thank you for this... Always look forward to watching your videos
Its sad how many of them blame the victim
Being overworked at these jobs like slaves and dealing with bullying from their boss can really cause a person to end it all. Especially when you don't have a way out! It's unfortunate...
Japanese companies seem to value workers more than they value people.
I wish there would be time for those suicide victims to think that it's okay to be weak and grow at his own pace...
Shadow Cyber Suicide victims are dead so...
It's not weakness though. It's usually trauma like bullying or abuse combined with the victims that overthink a lot
I wish there would be time for society to think that it's okay to be weak and grow at our own pace...
@@cpfantastic5576 nah. Survival of the fittest it is
@@farazahmed7 You think you are better, Don't you? Alright, survive then, none of us will make it out alive from this world.
This really highlights how unprepared Japanese people are when they're faced with depression/suicide. There needs to be more information for people and available counseling. "toughen up" and "you'll get over it" are totally wrong responses to someone with depression or suicidal thoughts.
What worked for me in dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts, is to keep fighting. I know it's hard to do when you're in that mindset, but just simply standing up will make it easier. When you keep fighting, your mood will be consistently better too. You won't feel like a sick helpless animal in the middle of the woods, you'll be a healthy full-grown prey, running from the pursuers, kicking and screaming when it's necessary. Just the fact that you're proactive will make it much easier to get through and you'll give yourself the chance to escape.
Don't let them win.
Definitely. A true warrior right here.
I have no experience with stuff like that.
Not only Japan but also S. Korea has high rate as well
highest i believe?
And?
I think its even higher there second most highest
Yeppy 01 It's because the people of japan are way too disciplined; they work too hard, too many work hours. Not just in japan but also the whole asia continent, we asians work too hard and we become too stressed. That's why some asians immigrate to the west because it's less competetive there,
They said the next vid is the Koreans views
There’s so much pressure in the Japanese culture that they barely have any rest so the stress just piled up to the point to be too overwhelming.
I’m expecting the one from SK specially if they take the topic from the recent idol suicide (which affected me since I follow his career) a bit more serious.
Daniel Shin I don't think that's what they meant. I think with recent events it just opened up how deep the issue runs in S.Korean society. Granted its only one facet of the million in S.Korean society but when someone so high profiled and loved...reach that point...and with how everything played out. I don't know. Maybe it just leaves many with the question of why. Maybe they feel they need answers in order to grieve and cope with the loss of someone they felt connected to.
Sorry for the essay, have a nice day
grey momo He/She is not saying "hey this case is so different", but rather you have to understand that in a lot of countries that have never happend(a very famous person killing him/herself)so when something like that happens it reflects a lot of things about a certain society. Generally when things like that happen show how suicide rates are higher in those countries.
grey momo Can you please stop? It is so hurtful to see a person disregard and belittle a human life to "this Korean guy". I don't know why you keep on bringing up how much more important the West is; over a matter such as this. Yes these western artists are more widely known but that is besides the point( I am from America).There is so much more I want to say but I'm already ranting on too long. But "this Korean guy" was so much more than his lost fight with depression. He was a true and beautiful artist. His words and voice was a comfort and joy to many around the world. And so so much more. Do you understand? A person on the opposite end of the world, can't speak his language, never set foot in S.Korea, never met him- was impacted so deeply by him. And even though he's gone we will keep him alive by remembering his smile, songs, voice, and just who he was while on this earth.
Again sorry for the essay. I wish you a good day
grey momo Wow..... Just wow. I think your just hearing what you want to hear at this point. I'm not going to engage with a person not willing to listen and making things up as they go. So.. Bye
grey momo first of all, you're in a video from asian boss. Of course lots of Asian people and recent topics in Asia will be discussed as well. So I don't get your point about complaining why Eve R thinks the case of Kim Jonghyun - by the way "that Korean guy" has a name - is more important than western ones. She never assumed that. She just mentioned a recent incident related to this video and stated the fact that he was loved among many fans throughout Asia. Even comparing his suicide to other ones in "the West", saying that it had happened there all the time before, does not belittle his death or any death of anyone committing suicide. As if suicides happening in Hollywood way before that would make recent suicides in Korea something less of an issue since it's a common thing in Hollywood.
I just think that you should show some respect to "that Korean artist" and maybe focus more on the whole meaning of this video rather than just trying to look for trouble with a fan mourning over the death of an idol she valued.
Not one word about therapy or anti-depressants! Japan totally lacks awareness of mental health. That's what they need. I've been suicidal myself but I was aware of hotlines, therapy, psychology, and medication. Seeking professional mental help saved my life. I pray for Japan to realize the importance of mental health awareness.
i agree with most of what you said, especially the prayer, apart from the part of taking pills for depression, they almost always make it worse, its like taking drugs, both the side effects are terrible and the delusion of help does not work in the end
@@user-rb3tk5th2i brother ssris literally stop serotonin from being absorbed to quickly into your body. they arent abusing ur dopamine receptors like weed and its not slowing u down like a depressant. its literally trying to balance a chemical imbalance
they dont make it worse, its lessens your anxiety so you arent as manic hence why you feel the depression more deeply. but having one less variable (anxiety) sending you up the wall is a good thing even if you dont get an immediate reward response
A really honest, down-to-earth video! Impressive!
You might consider talking about the crisis telephone lines, and any other help available! Does Japan have any?
Also, some people need to cruise those suicide sites and be there to listen, to care, encourage them to get help, etc!
Are there any actual support groups for people that are depressed or suicidal?
Activity/Social groups would help, specifically for people who feel alone, lonely, and discouraged, etc!
Lenita A, well though and well spoken.
Great and relevant video. Thank you
I felt like a lot of the interviewees had an emotional connection to the topic and for that reason it felt very genuine. I appreciate this video, one of the best in this channel, cheers!
Amazing video. A really difficult topic to discuss. Respect for both the interviewer and interviewees!
Interesting video as always, Asian Boss thank you. Could you guys try to make videos from other countries like the Philippines? I'm sure a lot of the other viewers agree with me. Thank you
That's very kind of him to be listener when they most need it. Its big help if you know that.. And for every people who gathered to do suicide try to listen to each other story first maybe it may help you, maybe you can understand because you guys on the same state in life..
My (now ex) Japanese wife told me that I was 'not allowed to have any feelings'. My company (Nova) had gone bankrupt and I was struggling to support her and our 3 week old daughter. She is now remarried - and our child (10 this valentines day) has been reconditioned to accept her new life without much contact with her loving daddy. Isn't the high suicide rate in Japan directly the effect of emotional indifference which is the cause? Lots of Love from England.
Michael H, bro stay strong. One door close the other always open. This type of women, u can find plenty. Not ur fault. Peace my friend.
Oh my lord i've never heard of group suicide that's scary! I know its hard to conquer depression but DON'T ever lose hope of living everyone ,Good days will definitely come✊🏼😊
I think it's embedded in the culture + incredibly stressful lifestyle (exhausting working hours), like in South Korea.
Thank you, Hiroko, and Asian boss for making this video happen.
Also. I am chronically depressed with debilitating anxiety. But you would never know it, I’m always seemingly happy and kind and optimistic. It’s all an elaborate expert cover up. I’m very good at pretending to be normal.
The video clearly shows one reason for the high suicide rates in Japan: The complete lack of awareness of the subject.
Not a single person has recommended professional help. Someone who really thinks a nice meal would be an effective cure for depression has absolutely no idea about the subject. 😑
Yasmine Steinbauer You are right and wrong! Those answers were thoughtful! Taking a depressed person for a walk, a meal.. to truly listen and care can be the best medicine! It is personal and warm!
Of course, it will not cure all depressed people! And the problem can be much deeper and long-term! Yet, it is definitely a step in the right direction!
talking with a nice meal would be (surprisingly or not) able to prevent someone from suicide
it's not about the nice meal, it's about the talking -in my opinion
but ofc the other person has to hear them well and give the right responses /?
Yasmine Steinbauer These are well-meaning idiots like most people commenting here.
Japan likes it when people commit suicide. They fully belive in natural selection.
Its the thought that counts. Knowing someone would ask you to do it makes a person feel somebody takes notice and cares. Better than not doing anything at all. We cannot read people's minds and we dont have all the time in the world to understand each and every one of them so showing even little gesturrs like this would help for some.
People who say that suicidal people are at fault, truly has never experienced the depths of intolerable pain one feels when depressed or anxious. They have no idea and have one view or idea. You shouldn’t speak on it if you’ve never felt this way. They don’t want to feel this way. They just do.
Well said and I couldn't agree more
I've waited for this video!
Wow Hiroko chan is amazing, thanks for the video!
I believe life is really hard and competitive in Japan, so, when one believes he is loosing the fight it might seem like there are no other options...
As someone who had a depression for years before and now I'm in a very stable and happy condition, I would like to answer. The reasons why the suicide rate in Japan & South Korea is very high because, most of the people DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THEIR EXISTENCE IN THIS WORLD is. They follow the system that is being made by human (such as government or company), be a good student, worker, singer, actor, etc. But deep down inside, naturally they feel that there is a TRUE system out there that they should follow as HUMAN in this universe.
They work they butt off to have a perfect life, perfect career, perfect salary, but for WHOM? Okay, for themselves. After having all of them and then what else?
Physically they look fine, but deep down inside they feel empty. They think that they have to be the best out the best amongst human. And when they fail to achieve or when they feel that it is too difficult to be achieved , they blame themselves. But they know that they don't create themselves, so why can they blame themselves? They ask deep question like why we are here? What is the porpose of our existence? Is it true that we have to work so hard like people tell us to do? But is it worth it?
Depressive people often have deep thoughts like that, but most of them who kill themselves never really search for it. Instead, they are drown into their sadness, confusion.. and give up.
I know it's hard.. but the most powerful effort that we can do when have a depression (beside sharing ours stories to close people) is to read, read, read, watch, analyse. Search what is the true meaning of life.
For those who feel emptiness and often ask about life and stuffs, please watch this video -> Meaning of Life, Muslim Spoken WOrld. This video is very rational and I hope you find what you have been searching for.
The amount of compassion and understanding in Japan for such issues is astounding for how concerning issues are addressed, I for one am impressed
that guy in the gray shirt answers were so genuine and thoughtful. this video made me happy to see people like that guy who give me hope that peoples attitudes towards mental health and suicide have a wide range and can be really accepting and caring despite the monolith thats often used to depict this issue.
Great interview!
Having to live up to high standards everyday on top of that overworking hours a day without pay.
I lived in Australia and the amount of Koreans and Japanese that apply for visa to escape their home country is so sad.
Good topic. I love the last question and people answers
Always a good topic to disect!
japanese friends...if you think no one loves you you wrong...i love you all
When the girl said she has thought of dying for so many times, when she seems like she'd cry soon while explaining about depression. And her advice afterwards.. I feel like she really understands. Thank you and let us all stay strong.
Yeah, it seemed like she's speaking from personal experience. I hope talking about it made her feel better.
Its nice to see more lax opinions of young people and the super harsh opinions of older folks as well.
i like the man that telling everything is going to be okay. He even listening to others too
im so thankful to know that there is persoon like that in Japan
Stop saying "South Korea, South Korea, South Korea"
South Korea isnt the only country on this channel that needs to be heard.
There's no one saying "South Korea, South Korea" except you freaking weeaboo.
you are obviously a triggered weaboo but just letting you know apparently South Korea is VERY famous for their high suicide rate
Kindapple Very famous among koreaboos
Ya'll calling him a weaboo and shit and you don't even know him lmao stop throwing that word around so loosely
Fervent and unreasonable K fans (typically children) need to have their defensive statements immortalized in a Museum of Embarrassment so they would remember 1)what a fool they had been when they're older and 2)that their worship is really a result of media manipulation because Korea can care less about each of them. -.-
As someone who's been rushed to the ER for a suicide attempt that old man's words is so rude. It's not that they are weak, it's just that they are tired of fighting. They've been fighting for a long time and unfortunately they lost. I honestly feel that if you haven't experienced depression or some of form of mental illness you have no right to comment 'They are weak'. You don't know what it's like, you haven't experienced it. Most elderly think that 'Man I've had it harder than you, you have so many things that we didn't have and look we survived.' Excuse me, but each individual is different. Each person have their own story, some ended early and it's not because they are weak. They could be dealing with way more pain/stress than you have, you have no right to label them as weak. I was fighting with my sickness for 2 years before multiple events pushed me passed my threshold and decided to end my life. Yes I survived, yes I got better, but in that moment it didn't matter. It didn't matter that I was going to die and not know what tomorrow offers. It didn't matter that I might be able to get better. I was in immense pain, the only way I knew to stop it at that moment was to sleep forever. So no, you cannot say that people who commit suicide is weak. That is insensitive and rude.
Yes! Me too. Losing my child severely weakened me...but now I am both stronger and more sensitive.
It's hurts in head and numbness in hearth thanks for this..
hi! idk what you are going through but you are brave and i care abt you!!! if you need immediate help, pls contact a suicide prevention hotline. ❤️❤️
I know you are covering a lot of important subjects lately. In the future, if possible I would love to hear more about the alcohol culture in various asian countries. What is considering right and wrong and so forth. Maybe also delve into the "culture" related to drinking.
When you can't even see your family and work almost 16 hours a day at some companies, who wouldn't off themselves? That's crazy having to live at your job like that.
It’s going down significantly. Still pretty high.
Camilo Arjona It's because the people of japan are way too disciplined; they work too hard, too many work hours. Not just in japan but also the whole asia continent, we asians work too hard and we become too stressed. That's why some asians immigrate to the west because it's less competetive there,
THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR SOMEONE WITH DEPRESSION IS KEEP THEM COMPANY! Do not try to talk to them about depression. Talk about dumb stuff- tv, books, music, anything else- and just spend time together. Tell them you are there for them, ask if they want to talk, and leave it at that. Don’t pressure them. How do I know? My aunt has depression, my sister has depression, I am in love someone who has depression, and my dad had depression and died by suicide. I have unfortunately learned from experience... Oh and DO talk about your problems and mental health issues (in a non-triggering way). I used to try to seem fine to not add to a loved one’s burden, but actually it made them feel more alone in the pain and more broken. People with depression usually have very tender hearts and feel good by helping others. Ask for their help when you need it. It really feels good to know that you are contributing and adding value to someone’s life. I hope this helps anyone struggling to reach a loved one. Love to all!
Even I believe the rapid rise of technology and social media has left people more isolated and lonely in terms on human interactions and development. And it makes human mind more susceptible to negativity and stress as there is no one they can realistically speak to.
I like how the grandpa appears just once or a couple of seconds in this video but made such a huge impact
The girl who said she's thought about suicide should take a month off work and travel around to take the stress off herself.
As someone from the states who deals with major depressive disorder, this saddens me. A lot of well meaning people who don't seem to understand how depression works. Though , most people in the states have no clue how it works either
Man, most interviews I have watched in Japan usually have the people seem like they are holding back to be nice, but in this one they all seem pretty outright in what they think, especially the older man.
It's still very high but it's good to see that the rate is actually going down a lot, it has been going down for 8 year straight. I hope they manage to strengthen mental healt treatments too.
Btw what's the source of that number? Last i read Japan was 26.
3年前のコメントに返すのはおかしいけど一応返す。
このチャンネルは非常に偏っている。韓国人のチャンネルだからか知らないけどかなり日本や中国に否定的だと思う
i have to laugh at people who call the old guy tough. back in the days you woke up, worked on the farm and had a peaceful evening without any worries. i had the privilege to experience it and have to say that life was way better and easier back then. life has become so complicated now, you just cant shut off your mind and that makes people go insane. you constantly have to worry about your job, money, career, rent, social media etc...
To be fair, at his time, Japan was still recovering from the bombing and other damages due to WW2. He could have lived his life without a part of his family because of the war. That alone is being strong. But I do agree that life was simplier back then and depression might not have been huge issue yet. Then again, it's best not to judge people.
Thank you for this video. Yup..
Suicide is a lot more complex than it seems. People don't just get sad one day and decide to end their lives. They often battle with issues such as severe depression, social isolation, abuse and chronic stress. Society can help to fix some (community centers to fight loneliness, regulated working hours) but others require psychological help. Either way it should be easy for people to get help.
Nobody is immune to suicidal thoughts and depression. If you're struggling with depression, know that there is someone out there who truly loves and cares for you, even if you don't believe it. Nobody in this clip (other than I guess the unreasonable Japanese grandpa) was happy someone committed suicide. Behind your potential suicide is someone whose heart would ache for you and do anything so you would live. There's a better life out there, you might not realize it now, but that's why you must search for it.
i am 33 years old,have two offspring, son and daughter.i have wife.
this whole marriage thing is just consume me.and i got some problem dealing with my wifr,feel like i am just a slave to them..
everytime im driving to my workplace, i feel like i want to smash my car to something and hopefully ending my life in the process..
but...my mental status is regaining strength,not suicidal anymore
Depression is a sign of the body like a cry for help. Some things need to be sorted out. If someone does that, they become very strong. It happened to me and I'm so happy I didn't end my life.
"With the development of social media, our interactions have become virtual. We don't feel human warmth like we used to. People might think ending their lives wouldn't have any impact on those close to them, so they don't ask for help or even think about their family and friends." That's exactly how I feel. He nailed it. I think in Japan's case they know it has a lot to do with work culture and the crazy long hours. They know it's also the pressure and stress students face. However, when something like that is so ingrained and buried in your culture it's hard to change it quickly. I hope Japan is able to see that an active approach needs to be taken to lessen the impact of these pressures. They also need to reshape how they see mental health and make better strides in providing quality care.
Probably why it's so high bc most Asian parents have the same mentality as the old man.
I knew that suicide was something samurais in feudal Japan would commit to regain their honor, so i always thought that while the Japanese people are devestated by it, there's still cultural roots that are lowkey pro-suicide, especially when commited in the aftermath of a failure. But after watching videos like this I'm a bit more skeptical about my original thoughts.
In Buddhist thinking 'failure' does not exist. Whatever happened to Japanese wisdom and the essential part of it's cultural heritage?
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The old guy callously calling people "weak" for committing suicide is most likely one of the very people who drove them to suicide.
That old man gave a typical older generations answer. "They are too weak". A lot of the people from older generations really don't understand the complexity of the mind of some one. The way they grew up was totally different. They shouldn't question anything and just work and don't be weak.
TonyRedgrave1501, there's no right or wrong answers. I can accept his saying but can't we be more compassionate towards others? I always think suicide is not the best solution.
Grandpa didn't had a easy childhood, that's why to him young people nowadays that live in a peaceful era are weak for not wanting to fight for their lives.
You can really tell the collectivist thought process that influences their answers & I'm so surprised because you'd think that these collectivist societies would be more connected ?? These videos are so cool I love seeing how people think
Depression sucks, and for many it doesn't have a specific face. I personally have had issues with depression since I was 13 (I'm 22 now). They tried throwing medication at it, which only made me more unstable, and when I turned 18 I decided it was time to stop relying on medication and just fight through it on my own. So far I've been doing well, and somehow manage to pull through. I'm sure I'll get to a point when I can be rid of it, but until then I just have to remember to stay strong. Same to anyone else out there. Depression blows, but just keep fighting.
It's just insane that no-one at the end on the video answered to take terapy. Depression doesn't get better just eating something good. Depression is an illness and it must be treated as a illness, going to the doctor, to terapy.
I get sad reading about all of you going through difficult times, especially as I can relate. You’re not alone, don’t despair. Don’t give up. Keep fighting, even when you want to do nothing but give up. One day, it will get better. We have to believe in that, even though right now it might feel like nothing’s ever going to be alright.
”Don't make permanent decisions on temporary feelings.”
You are loved, you matter and you are strong enough to get through this. I believe in you, now you have to believe in yourself too.
❤️❤️❤️
There is no clear cut reason why someone commits suicide. Not one answer can solve it. There will always be people who will do it. I can not speak from experience of Japan but it seems from looking that it is a social issue. Asians tend to be so focused on work and pleasing there families they cause undue stress. Live for yourself and stop worrying about trying to please everyone because it is impossible. Go enjoy life a little. Don't be afraid and go meet new people. Walk up to that guy or girl and socialize. Go dancing or go exercise. Healthy mind and body is key to a good life. Nothing is perfect and it never will be. Don't worry about losing face with others.... They don't pay your bills ! LoL
Nice words, but the Japanese themselves need to make a decision to change or discard certain elements of their culture in order to affect substantial change when it comes to this issue.
dont be a weak person just be a badass and live for urself not for others(dont mind what other people says about u ) always be calm god bless u .
I actually wish I could have heard more of what the elderly man had to say. I think the concept of suicidal people being "weak" is a large part of why people don't get help
I agree with 3:00
It's true, people overthink situations and stress themselves
Beleive it's always for the best, suiciding won't take us anywhere, it's just putting Ur whole family in depression
you agree with them being called weak. wtf is wrong with you
Ok boomer
I know it's probably already thought of, but I'd love to see a video on what SKs think of NK joining the Olympics!!
As a person who thinks about death constantly (intrusive thoughts, it really cannot be helped) I know that I personally do not want opinions or things like recommendations. I want to know that I am not alone. I want to really know that someone out there likes me, even if it is just a small like.... I want a warm, genuine smile and a hug to say that I really am not alone and that someone cares. I feel like part of my wanting to die is the fact that I do not feel like anyone would miss me.
For those who say " live, life is beautiful " we are all gonna die one day, so why not now ? Once your dead you can't regret your life, so what's the point to stay alive and suffer ? ^^
Good video btw
False Girl that's actually a really good point and there's a video from wisecrack on it, I think it was called "why don't we just die".
I think the biggest problem with committing suicide is the harm you do to the ones around you. Think of how much your loved ones would suffer had they found out that you just decided to vanish, maybe without really talking to them about it.
Anyway I suggest you watch the video, it's also got an interesting point.
The video is called "why shouldn't we commit suicide?"
Just adding my two cents, but as someone who has contemplated suicide a lot of times before, I often come across your type (for lack of a better word) of argument about how it will affect others around you. I've thought about that a lot times, even in the moments I thought I was really close, and though it really does help me out of those situations in the end I think the notion is also like a double edged sword in a way.
I feel awful knowing that if my family/friends found my body or knew that I died, they would be damaged irreversibly. But at the same time, I feel like even more of a burden to them and find myself wishing I didn't have anyone who cared about or even knew me. Just so I could "die in peace" if that makes sense. I've seen a few others talk about similar feelings, but I'm always interested in seeing other people's thoughts or if more people feel the same. Sorry for the long text lol
@@ghostchild127 on a different note we could ask what is the value of life in general and if we are given a life to live what has brought us to the point of wanting to end it? What is the source of our unhappiness... In search of this answer we could also look at what is our view of a happy life and when was the last time we felt happy ourselves
Where is your source? I'm not finding any place that says Japan is number 6
Daniel Shin
あほか？世界２６位のどこがhighだ？もうアメリカの自殺率と３０％くらいしか変わらないよ
The hopelessness. The fact that people get together as a group to do it, just blows my mind....if only they knew their value was not in their job but they have God-given value from the first day they existed
toxic workplace, lack of communication, high expectations are just some of the reasons and of course the environment
i thought i saw jo in sung.
Just to say, companies wouldnt wait for you to get over depression here in the U.S either.
And ive been depressed here and they just give you some drugs and tell you to talk about it 😅. i think maybe suicide is more of a stigma here in the U.S because of Christianity so thats why its not as high in Japan?
Koala Mochi maybe 😅
Depends where you are in america to be honest like maybe in less educated places like the south and stuff there would be a stigma but not so much in where I live
Biggest funny 100 even if it’s not a stigma everywhere I still think it’s seen with a negative connotation. Here, people think it’s cowardly whether they don’t believe in an afterlife or not. In japan it’s been tied to beliefs that taking your own life is a sacrifice and an honor
The old guy's response!!! Man that is some tough love
Props to Hiroko for asking people the hard questions. Frankly, I'm surprised that people were willing to open up about this on camera, but happy nonethless, because acknowledging and talking about an issue is a start to fixing it. I think in order to reverse this trend, the whole country should have a conversation about the topic and change how they view it. As someone who struggled with depression and suicidal ideations in my younger years, it really makes me sad and angry that the culture makes it difficult for people to seek out help or even talk to someone when they're feeling blue. Removing the stigma surrounding mental illness would help a lot. Hearing these young folks expressing sympathy about sucide victims gives me hope that Japan will reverse this trend. I find it interesting that the old man's opinion on suicide was much different from everyone else's. Generational difference?
@Asian Boss
Suicide is not a joking manner at all.
I have to say that unfortunately it's very difficult to know and it's awkward to ask. The only thing really that helps is if the person reaches out for help. You can't force someone to get help.
Most people think about it but very few actually go through.
It's all about feeling stressed, helpless, and then feeling like no one can help or feeling like it would be a burden to ask people and talk to people about feeling that way.
What society as a whole should do is learn to appreciate and accept mental illness as a serious thing that should be looked at and openly discussed like any other physical, medical issues. Mental health is still something that is not taken seriously.
xxnike629xx A good comment! You are right, we cannot force! But, we can support, love, care and be there for that person! We can gently encourage them, help them find appropriate doctor AND a good professional Counsellor, Support Group, meds, etc! Give them a Crisis Line number, encourage them to use it!
There are Books and Articles on how to help a depressed and suicidal friends, family members!
If you wanna see something disturbing, look at how the Japanese react to suicide when they are late because someone jumps in front of a train. Completely different attitudes and 0 empathy since its someone they don't know who is 迷惑をかけている
Truth!
That happened on my country too and I'm from South America; people were more worried about being late for school or work than the poor girl that jumped in front the train and was splashed all over it...
Being desensitized to death is a good thing
Life is hell every person has something thay are dealing with everyone is in a fight against a opponent thay can't beat but it's not about winning it's about lasting till the end and about getting up as many times as needed. As the saying goes it's not how hard you hit it's about how hard you get hit and keep going
It's interesting to see how different people respond to hearing about suicide and suicide rates. Unless you are in a situation where you're contemplating it yourself, you can probably never fully understand the reasons why. I don't think that's a bad thing, if you don't understand why people would consider it, I'm glad because I imagine this means that you feel like your life is worth living. Please don't ever change that mindset, because your life really is worth living, no matter who or what you are. But please don't judge people who do have these thoughts, or who have attempted it (or even succeeded).
Survival is a basic human instinct. Most people would do whatever it takes to survive, even in the worst of conditions. People who commit suicide, or contemplate this, have something going on that makes them go against their most basic human instinct. I don't think it's weak, but I don't think it's strong either. People say you're strong when you reach out for help, when you talk about your issues and solve them... but I feel like most people who have suicidal thoughts don't feel like talking would solve anything, or people would not be willing to listen, or understand them. Maybe they feel like they don't have anyone to talk to.
I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, but I feel like in a lot of cases, this could come close to the truth.
CAN YOU PLEASE DO A KOREANS REACT TO HOLLAND NEVERLAND