They didn't make any construction recommendations to you when they were putting this up? Is there a concrete foundation in there or just dirt? No insulation? This was basically guaranteed to create condensation
Derek they made absolutely none they even had to have an architect draw the plans up for this building and I paid to have that done by them that was extra. Just a gravel floor for now, couldn't get ahold of any concrete guys everyone is like 2 years out. Yeah I know installation was never told I needed it.
@@GPackard I think the ridge vent is only the beginning of the issues. I don't believe in ridge vents. Why would you want to let all of your heat out of the top of your building. Conditioned spaces are the best. But to do that you would have to have concrete and insulate the whole building
You're only touching on the problem. You need insulation and vapor barrier to fix this. Warm air in the building and cold air outside will draw in condensation. Ventilation helps as long as you have a thermal break as well.
I sell buildings like that and l always tell consumers the truth about getting a more expensive buildings including insulation barrier on roof and color screws plus 4 /12 and 5 / 12 pitch roof stop those types of problems.
We were going to get a metal building from American Steel Buildings but after watching this and reading other reviews on google, we decided to just buy a prebuilt wood shed locally. Thanks for the warning, you saved us a lot of headache and money
The reason I'm watching this video is because I'm in the market for a metal building, I'm in the process of selecting who's going to make it for me, your information is so valuable to me and many more people, thanks a bunch for putting this out, helps out with the process of elimination, no one will offer you more than the one who is not going to come through, shame on those people.
@@claurio1 I actually sell steel buildings. I work for a company called Renegade Steel Buildings. If you message me I can give you some insight if you are still in the market.
We got a metal building from American Steel last year and we have that issue as well (but not as bad). Our main issues were that they had to send the install team back out the next week to add a few anchors that were missed and the installer charged a few hundred extra because of the uneven terrain surrounding the building. Overall I was satisfied with the company, but it could have gone more smoothly.
Man, I just got a quote from them yesterday too! Granted, this is only one experience out of tens of thousands, but it's pretty shabby. Thanks for teaching me what to look out for!
I have a garage with lean-to that has similar material. The first problem I had was the roof, it does not have purlins. So the ribs of the roof run the length of the garage and it leaked. The second issue is condensation causes it to rain inside the garage. If ice builds up over night, it rains under the lean-to.
As a buyer I always research what I need. Nobody else really cares when they are selling you something. Venting, insulation, weather, door placement, etc. Specify your expectations before you sign and make sure they are met before you pay the final invoice. Never assume everything will be done correctly. You have to make sure of it during the process. It is very rare to find someone else who is willing to look out for your best interest
Please keep us up to date on the Moisture problem... Did that work? Did it fix the problem? Does it work through the seasons? Lots of people are doing all sorts of insulations to solve that problem.. Would love to know if it "Really" solves the problem.. Would much rather do this fix than insulate buildings that don't need it, but, don't want the rain in the buildings... Thanks...
Hi mark, that did fixmost of the moisture problem when we vented it on top. Occasionally I will see some condensation but so far it hasn't been bad at all. Yeah and venting is far cheaper than insulating that whole building
I had to spend $600 just on shipping container vents to avoid a similar issue with my new 40" conex .Pouring a slab might help but man your building is huge so that won't be cheap .
I keep a fan going inside my steel building...spray foam insulation or the bubble wrap insulation you can install while putting up these buildings will stop the condensation my friend. It's unfortunate that these buildings do tend to sweat...however it's not a manufacturer issue....other than they should have made mention so you could plan for this ahead of time. On another note...you had to know setting this building on dirt wasn't gonna be the best solution...I see you had a 2 year waiting period for concrete .....Hate that for ya buddy...frost heave, dirt, moisture....you've got the trifecta there probably could have been solved with a vapor barrier and a little more info from the manufacturer...hate this for ya
Wow, $75K for a large carport, that's crazy, not even a real steel building. However, I wouldn't want the cold inside. Best bet would be to spray foam the interior but that's pricey too.
My building is coming from texwin in 4 days , this is good info. I live in a warmer climate but if it starts condensating inside the building ill widen the gap like yall did. Thank you
Am I wrong to say that with the venting, inside heated air will escape, causing a higher heating bill ? Will insulation and moisture barrier help ? If I were to order a metal building, what should I tell the manufacturer to do in order to prevent this problem? 5/12 roof ?
That part of the building the big part, is Cold Storage and is not insulated therefore there is no heating bill for it. Certainly insulation would have helped I could have stuck another 10 grand into insulating the roof but I shouldn't have had to and that's not the point ,they should have known this was going to happen I mean how many have they installed, thousands i'm sure. I just hope these guys realize the thousands and thousands of dollars they're going to lose all because they wouldn't send someone out there for a half a day to fix the problem. lmao !!!!!!
I'm sure you're right however we were never told to do this not to mention the additional 100,000 just to put the floor in No Doubt. They had an engineer designed this building I paid extra for this to be done because they said it had to be done. Turned out well didn't it those lying bastards.
They’re all very similar, personally I sell Robertson Building Systems. The one in this video was just poorly planned, no roof insulation, no vapour barrier on the ground let alone a slab.
When we put the ceiling vent in it did help some but it still has condensation problems. I would definitely recommend the condensation barrier don't put it in without it or you'll be sorry. I wish they would have told me about it when the architect designed it but of course they didn't f*** American Steel.
I purchased a building 2 months ago. They put the entry door in backwards and a shorter garage door than requested. I have tried calling and they won't answer. I to was impressed with the swiftness the building went up. I'm going to look at my ridge vent tomorrow.
Yeah I was impressed by how fast they put it up to a day and a half and they did this building I also found out why, they get paid by the job. Let me guess a group of Hispanics jumped out of the vehicles went to work on it and knocked it out in no time right ? And yeah then you get the tail light warranty ! Let me once again tell you f*** American Steel !!!
@@GPackard that's exactly what happened. 2 were wearing Crocs. Building was up in less than 8 hours. No flashing under the frame to keep water out. And I'm surprised that they do not offer gutters with the unit. I have to do many measures to keep water out before I can officially utilized the building.
Double Bubble is what I used because I didn't want what has happened to you. Expensive but I have not had any condensation issues on the un heated side of the building.
I have been thinking about starting a side gig. Just making sure the contractor that is hired is not ripping off the customer. Like they did you and Like Innis construction is doing the elderly around Charlotte NC.
I had a steel van that had condensation build up on the roof ceiling and it would freeze up there , when the sun comes out it melts the frozen water on the ceiling and It would rain inside. The water/ceiling condensation in my case was coming from a propane heater , even running the heater for a small duration of time put out a huge amount of water. Where you using a Salamander heater in there
Well I did put down about 2 ft of gravel what the real problem was was that it should have been properly ventilated on top you see the heat comes from the earth goes up words and has to go out somewhere I did not know this until after I started researching it as to what could go wrong or why this was happening they should have at the very least warned me about this and offered me an option to do something that would stop this from happening they did not so f*** THEM
That is a major building code violation. Company should be fixing that ridge vent. NOT YOU. Lawsuit pending. EVERY roof needs to be vented period even if it is a shed
So if you were heating the space, your conditioned air would just run right out the vent? That doesn't make any sense. What this building needed was a vapor barrier
this happens with RVs. If you dont have double paned windows.... the windshields usually arent double paned. Soaks the dash. Sadly, normal. looks like you could use either insulation or a vapor barrier that does not get freezing cold to condense.
I ordered a building in January of 2023. I was told I’d have the delivery in 2-4 weeks. Now it’s 3 months later and I’m now getting told about hidden labor fees, getting the run around on when it’ll be delivered and nobody ever seems to have any information. It’s a total shit show. I ordered from Shiprock, NM and order was coming from Gallup, NM then told it was somewhere in CO. Then they flat out refused delivery until somebody else near me orders one too. It’s supposedly going to be delivered tomorrow… we shall see how it goes
The condensation isn't surprising to me but the fact that they never mentioned it would have condensation issues without proper insulation is surprising. Seems like a missed opportunity to up-sell customers on their end. The company I got a quote from included VRR insulation in the bid but I'm considering spray foam insulation in mine.
6:30 and onward - such brute force, Ack(!) Doing what it takes to get the job done. They kind of deserved your final assessment - this problem is integral to a design like this. You really made a clear vid, thanks.
That sucks. I installed my versatube building myself, it is actually gapped at the peak intentionally. Instructions had me focus on the eve. Have you checked your eve length to make sure that’s right? Would have been a little easier sliding the back panel down 4” and getting a little extra eve out of it. One other thing. I just installed some snow guards…. Helps melt the snow fast and gives me something to hold onto when sliding off the roof.
The 2 metal building I have had built, 2 different states and 2 different companies, both did the center of the roof like that. I wish I would have noticed when they were building my current one. I would have asked them to space it out. It seems its just the way they do it. I was thinking of doing the same thing you did but so far I have not.
I have installed a roof vent across the entire top of the building to allow the heat to escape it seems to help this winter will tell I'll keep you posted
Bizarre why they didn't offer you the felt lined roof panels like most of these steel building vendors do. Its applied at the factory and fused to the panel. It prevents the "dripping" issue and temporarily absorbs the moisture. On dry days it'll dry up; the felt is not meant to be an insulation barrier.
@@GPackard What really bothered me is the lack of silicone rubber-resin polymer coating applied on both sides and the required engineering equipments (and services if necessary) to apply the additional seal coating of silicone rubber-resin on the exposed seams and on the bolts and what-have-you to have everything all sealed off from extreme heat and cold. And then maintaining a controlled and dry and dehumidified interior environment so as to apply the silicone rubber-resin foam just like we do in our military installations in Siberia.
Yeah I would not use those guys. I wish they knew the tens of thousands of dollars these guys have lost because they screwed me. All I had to do was come and fix it a $500 fix and they're done.
cutting on the roofs looks rough. I would have drilled 2 rows of 7/16 " holes spaced 2" apart all the way down on both sides and put the ridge cap back on
I totally agree with you!! With the COVID hiked wood prices more people are building these steel buildings, and the companies are getting so much more business than before they don’t care anything about the customer just their enormous profits!! My husband and I are in the process of pricing and comparing companies right now and this video is spot on!!! (BURNING BRIDGES IS THEIR THING!!!).
For the record I have R30 insulation in my steel building that I put up and I occassionally get some condensation drips in a couple areas. usually it's when I have it 70 degrees inside and it's like 40 outside. I bought a dehumidifier today. Hopefully I can keep the humidity down inside and they will fix this problem. I have like 70-80 percent humidity most of the time in the shop.
A dehumidifier will help. You can bring it down to around 50%. Just be aware the dehumidifier will make a decent amount of heat. Good in winter, bad in summer.
Our insulated building occasionally has condensation on the red iron. Warm humid weather followed by cold front. We exhaust the moist air with a fan. The other thing that works is turning up the In floor heat.
@@GPackard they got their money but a few of us truckers just watched this video and guess what company we ain’t giving our money to. Thanks for this video and taking one for the team. American Steel has no idea how this is hurting them. They should be stripped of the American name when they run a business like that.
Very sorry you had to go through all of this. Hard to believe that any Building Company wood install without proper venting. Sorry to see you having to cut all that s*** by hand too. That would have been a lot easier to cut with a Worm Drive circular saw and a carbide tip steel blade. Unfortunately, it wasn't like you only had a few feet you had to cut. I hope everything works out for you guys and you're able to keep it dry.
I’m putting one up and having close cell insulation installed and I sure hope that works but my floor will be concrete and I will still use a dehumidifier after this video
Good video guys and respect doing the hard work you shouldn't have had to in the elements. Regardless of Wisconsin or a Florida climate, the frickin' roof has to vent. Imagine If you let those clowns install insulation for you. It might hide the condition for a couple years. Spent 8 years doing residential home inspections in central Ohio. Saw so many roofs where they put on the ridge vent without opening the ridge. Add bathroom fans unvented and you got mold and soft OSB. Too much information. My son is US Navy in Jacksonville. Bought a place with an acre outside town and looking at a metal toy barn. Maybe 30' x 40' . I'll send him the video, thanks for posting!
Wow agree agian no company wants to be responsible for there faults of a product terrable you had to get on a roof especially on cold snowy day could fell off broke your bones . Great information video .
I have an open carport. It gets condensation inside as well. I think you are wasting your time putting a vent in. You need a vapor barrier. It should have been an option. I just had a 30 × 40 garage installed. Every manufacturer I met with highly recommended the barrier. They all said it would build up condensation. So we had it done. No moisture problems at all.
I like the hat too, the building is 200 ft long by 30 ft wide, yeah I put all the bay doors in so that you don't have to shuffle things around to get it other things everything's got its own door.
All metal buildings will do this, it’s not just American steel. He lives in Wisconsin…it’s cold and you have to modify the building as such, any builder should know this
I don't think this will fix your issue. The roof is going to cool because you radiation losses to space. The vent doesn't stop the roof from being cold. You're going to have to insulate the roof to stop the indoor rain. I have this same issue with my plane hanger. The plane gets soaked with condinsation from the roof and ventilation isn't an issue.
I try not to pay contractor until job is done. Always try and hold back 10-20% for a year so that you can avoid these issues. A reputable contractor understands this is how proper construction gets done and they accommodate this. W this gets you a little leverage to have work done correctly. On the other hand and you have a good contractor that knows what they are doing and you are happy, you can release those funds that are held back. At least you as the customer have a little control in the matter. Good Luck!!
That really sucks you have to use a can opener and cut a big giant hole in your roof! I can't believe they would make a building and not Factor condensation in? Was this their first building that they ever put up?
moisture wicking out of concrete slab is the issue there. We have been building pre engineered structures since 1986. All sizes all usages. This is a common issue in mini storage buildings on wet clay soils. Plastic under slab stops much of this condensation. We built and owned several mini storages with ridge vents which still had condensation off cold metal joists beams roof panels. It is not a design flaw in structure but a lack of proper concrete design by Architect or owner to prevent water wicking through floor slab.
Okay chief let's start with this there is no concrete, I paid an engineer who designed this building according to the fact that I would have no concrete. Now let's try this again was this my fault ? And if so what did I pay the $800 to the engineer for ?
@@GPackard That makes it 100x worse not to have a slab at all. All moisture will evap and condense on roof sheets and steel. All buildings would do this.
@@GPackard Engineer Architect should have known and informed you. We put dozens of bags of sakrete on floor raked it in dry and ran compactor over top while wetting it. A cheap concrete floor for ag buildings.
It’s funny but if you don’t know anything about steel buildings how can you ask the right questions when ordering? Shouldn’t they be able to anticipate the questions problems and concerns?
Just like a Trumper. No foundation, just build a giant building and then complain about condensation. Plastic sheets are put under the concrete foundation to prevent moisture in the building.
Plastic my Ass , I had concrete poured with the plastic underneath and it still condensated ! So much for you Biden loving useless pos ! You had to bring politics into this ( which has nothing to do with it ) didn't you you worthless KAREN !
@@GPackard Your video clearly shows that the building has dirt floor. Many people noticed that. Your cult leader would be proud of how you have such a weak connection to the truth. Why would a person put in a proper concrete foundation and then cover it with dirt?
This was a different building you useless dumbass ! Show's how f## stupid you really are you liberal Karen. Why don't you just stick with what you know like f###ing up the country , driving us towards war, give every freeloading ILLEGAL immigrant free healthcare, free money, free housing, free food , let men compete in women's sports, raise gas prices through the roof, raise groceries through the roof, make affordable housing impossible, open up the border, let criminals back out on the streets, protect the SICK transvestites , force the vaccine on everyone and that's just off the top of my head you sick F#### !
I absolutely like this dude you are awesome I like that fuck American Steel. I'm actually looking for a steel building myself here in Idaho and thank you for letting me see the video I will not be spending my $150k with American Steel
Well thanks for the kind words and yeah I wanted to put up another two or three buildings in the next year or two but now f*** them they just lost $200,000 or they're making money hand over fist ain't they
I got screwed by them when I contracted them to build a 32x42 garage with 16 ft side walls to hold a large RV, 5th wheel or commercial truck. Full disclosure: we were also building a house at the same time and the GC’s BIL was the sales person that specified the building. The foundation went ok but when the steel crew showed up, I was informed that the slab was 4” too short on two sides and that the void was filled with PT lumber. True professional work there. Then I discovered that they failed to install any panel closures so the garage is home to any mouse, rat or squirrel that happens by. And before you ask, GA panders to the building industry so my GC had, at least two different businesses during the project so the company (GC) that specified and paid for the build was out of business by the time the issues were discovered.
Doesn't that just figure, I'm sure we're not the only ones who get screwed by those pricks, do us all a favor and leave a bad review for them on Google maybe if they get enough bad reviews and put themselves out of business and that would serve them right.
Nice work indeed but, are all American companies pay the same?, like this BL Harbert constructing USA Embassy here in Namibia pays US$1 per hour for general workers and US$2 per hour for welders..
Thank you. You just saved me a small fortune as I was looking at AS for a building. They should have installed that ridge venting right from the get go and saved you all the time and hassle (I am sure you would have gladly paid the TINY bit extra that venting costs).
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They didn't make any construction recommendations to you when they were putting this up? Is there a concrete foundation in there or just dirt? No insulation? This was basically guaranteed to create condensation
Derek they made absolutely none they even had to have an architect draw the plans up for this building and I paid to have that done by them that was extra. Just a gravel floor for now, couldn't get ahold of any concrete guys everyone is like 2 years out. Yeah I know installation was never told I needed it.
@@GPackard I think the ridge vent is only the beginning of the issues. I don't believe in ridge vents. Why would you want to let all of your heat out of the top of your building. Conditioned spaces are the best. But to do that you would have to have concrete and insulate the whole building
@@77Avadon77 are you a contractor?
You're only touching on the problem. You need insulation and vapor barrier to fix this. Warm air in the building and cold air outside will draw in condensation. Ventilation helps as long as you have a thermal break as well.
I sell buildings like that and l always tell consumers the truth about getting a more expensive buildings including insulation barrier on roof and color screws plus 4 /12 and 5 / 12 pitch roof stop those types of problems.
Well after we vented it it seems to have solved the problem but thank you for your comment
We were going to get a metal building from American Steel Buildings but after watching this and reading other reviews on google, we decided to just buy a prebuilt wood shed locally. Thanks for the warning, you saved us a lot of headache and money
my pleasure
The reason I'm watching this video is because I'm in the market for a metal building, I'm in the process of selecting who's going to make it for me, your information is so valuable to me and many more people, thanks a bunch for putting this out, helps out with the process of elimination, no one will offer you more than the one who is not going to come through, shame on those people.
Have you found someone to buy from? We are in the market too. The risk involved is killing my hope for not getting ripped off
@@claurio1 I actually sell steel buildings. I work for a company called Renegade Steel Buildings. If you message me I can give you some insight if you are still in the market.
G & C carports did mine and I love it!
@@claurio1 build a red iron building And research the hell out of who are the best erectors in your state
@@masonpavlik411 how do we prevent this condensation? I’m interested in purchasing a building
We got a metal building from American Steel last year and we have that issue as well (but not as bad). Our main issues were that they had to send the install team back out the next week to add a few anchors that were missed and the installer charged a few hundred extra because of the uneven terrain surrounding the building. Overall I was satisfied with the company, but it could have gone more smoothly.
Man, I just got a quote from them yesterday too! Granted, this is only one experience out of tens of thousands, but it's pretty shabby. Thanks for teaching me what to look out for!
Well I certainly hope you don't go with this company they are horrible they don't return your phone calls I was even a dealer for them for years
I have a garage with lean-to that has similar material. The first problem I had was the roof, it does not have purlins. So the ribs of the roof run the length of the garage and it leaked. The second issue is condensation causes it to rain inside the garage. If ice builds up over night, it rains under the lean-to.
Curiosity can they template a silicone cover for traditional seasonal services of fall/winter water sprout?
I've seen people use sprayfoam in container ceilings to avoid the rain-effect.
As a buyer I always research what I need. Nobody else really cares when they are selling you something. Venting, insulation, weather, door placement, etc. Specify your expectations before you sign and make sure they are met before you pay the final invoice. Never assume everything will be done correctly. You have to make sure of it during the process. It is very rare to find someone else who is willing to look out for your best interest
I would add that "warranties" are total BS. The warranty ends when the final check clears.
Please keep us up to date on the Moisture problem... Did that work? Did it fix the problem? Does it work through the seasons?
Lots of people are doing all sorts of insulations to solve that problem.. Would love to know if it "Really" solves the problem.. Would much rather do this fix than insulate buildings that don't need it, but, don't want the rain in the buildings... Thanks...
Hi mark, that did fixmost of the moisture problem when we vented it on top. Occasionally I will see some condensation but so far it hasn't been bad at all. Yeah and venting is far cheaper than insulating that whole building
I had to spend $600 just on shipping container vents to avoid a similar issue with my new 40" conex .Pouring a slab might help but man your building is huge so that won't be cheap .
I keep a fan going inside my steel building...spray foam insulation or the bubble wrap insulation you can install while putting up these buildings will stop the condensation my friend. It's unfortunate that these buildings do tend to sweat...however it's not a manufacturer issue....other than they should have made mention so you could plan for this ahead of time. On another note...you had to know setting this building on dirt wasn't gonna be the best solution...I see you had a 2 year waiting period for concrete .....Hate that for ya buddy...frost heave, dirt, moisture....you've got the trifecta there probably could have been solved with a vapor barrier and a little more info from the manufacturer...hate this for ya
appreciate the comment brother
They make a conversation insulation you can apply to the roof.
Do you know what the name of it is by chance.
Wow, $75K for a large carport, that's crazy, not even a real steel building. However, I wouldn't want the cold inside. Best bet would be to spray foam the interior but that's pricey too.
Geez I’m glad I just found this. Was thinking of this style. Would spray foaming the ceiling have helped?
Yeah it would have helped for another 30 grand.
My building is coming from texwin in 4 days , this is good info. I live in a warmer climate but if it starts condensating inside the building ill widen the gap like yall did. Thank you
Thanks for the heads up. Their off my list!
Am I wrong to say that with the venting, inside heated air will escape, causing a higher heating bill ? Will insulation and moisture barrier help ? If I were to order a metal building, what should I tell the manufacturer to do in order to prevent this problem? 5/12 roof ?
That part of the building the big part, is Cold Storage and is not insulated therefore there is no heating bill for it. Certainly insulation would have helped I could have stuck another 10 grand into insulating the roof but I shouldn't have had to and that's not the point ,they should have known this was going to happen I mean how many have they installed, thousands i'm sure. I just hope these guys realize the thousands and thousands of dollars they're going to lose all because they wouldn't send someone out there for a half a day to fix the problem. lmao !!!!!!
I think if you would have put a concrete floor with a vapor barrier you wouldn’t have all that condensation
I'm sure you're right however we were never told to do this not to mention the additional 100,000 just to put the floor in No Doubt. They had an engineer designed this building I paid extra for this to be done because they said it had to be done. Turned out well didn't it those lying bastards.
How is this building holding up? And who would you recommend instead of American Steel?
They’re all very similar, personally I sell Robertson Building Systems. The one in this video was just poorly planned, no roof insulation, no vapour barrier on the ground let alone a slab.
not worth a shit, and anyone else !
Hey has this solution helped? I'm in the market for a garage and I have been pricing them with the "condensation barrier"
When we put the ceiling vent in it did help some but it still has condensation problems. I would definitely recommend the condensation barrier don't put it in without it or you'll be sorry. I wish they would have told me about it when the architect designed it but of course they didn't f*** American Steel.
@@GPackard I selected the double bubble roof and walls. Very pleased so far.
The easiest and smartest way to fix the condensation is instaling cross ventilation screens like on a crawl space. Vent covers
i'm looking for a metal building, but i will NOT be looking at american steel buildings, after watching this video!
good for you
I purchased a building 2 months ago. They put the entry door in backwards and a shorter garage door than requested. I have tried calling and they won't answer. I to was impressed with the swiftness the building went up. I'm going to look at my ridge vent tomorrow.
Yeah I was impressed by how fast they put it up to a day and a half and they did this building I also found out why, they get paid by the job. Let me guess a group of Hispanics jumped out of the vehicles went to work on it and knocked it out in no time right ? And yeah then you get the tail light warranty ! Let me once again tell you f*** American Steel !!!
@@GPackard that's exactly what happened. 2 were wearing Crocs. Building was up in less than 8 hours. No flashing under the frame to keep water out. And I'm surprised that they do not offer gutters with the unit. I have to do many measures to keep water out before I can officially utilized the building.
Double Bubble is what I used because I didn't want what has happened to you. Expensive but I have not had any condensation issues on the un heated side of the building.
I might of missed it in the video, but what is the insulation called that you used? Mongoose?
YES for the ridge vent
I have been thinking about starting a side gig. Just making sure the contractor that is hired is not ripping off the customer. Like they did you and Like Innis construction is doing the elderly around Charlotte NC.
You're thinking about a side gig look in a mosquito police brother it pays well.
I know you did 48" for the footing piers but did you also go down 48" for the beams between the footings?????
I had a steel van that had condensation build up on the roof ceiling and it would freeze up there , when the sun comes out it melts the frozen water on the ceiling and It would rain inside.
The water/ceiling condensation in my case was coming from a propane heater , even running the heater for a small duration of time put out a huge amount of water.
Where you using a Salamander heater in there
thanks for your reply brother !
What if you would have put down 4 or 5 inches of gravel on the floor of the building would that stop the condensation or poured a concrete floor.?
Well I did put down about 2 ft of gravel what the real problem was was that it should have been properly ventilated on top you see the heat comes from the earth goes up words and has to go out somewhere I did not know this until after I started researching it as to what could go wrong or why this was happening they should have at the very least warned me about this and offered me an option to do something that would stop this from happening they did not so f*** THEM
@@GPackard No vapor barrier installed.
Thanks for the honest video and showing a solution. Curious if y’all are still reps for American Steel 😂.
You're welcome and not a chance in hell f*** those bastards.
That is a major building code violation. Company should be fixing that ridge vent. NOT YOU. Lawsuit pending. EVERY roof needs to be vented period even if it is a shed
So if you were heating the space, your conditioned air would just run right out the vent? That doesn't make any sense. What this building needed was a vapor barrier
this happens with RVs. If you dont have double paned windows.... the windshields usually arent double paned. Soaks the dash. Sadly, normal. looks like you could use either insulation or a vapor barrier that does not get freezing cold to condense.
Thanks for sharing brother appreciate the comment.
just get it spay foamed that is the best you can do
I ordered a building in January of 2023. I was told I’d have the delivery in 2-4 weeks. Now it’s 3 months later and I’m now getting told about hidden labor fees, getting the run around on when it’ll be delivered and nobody ever seems to have any information. It’s a total shit show. I ordered from Shiprock, NM and order was coming from Gallup, NM then told it was somewhere in CO. Then they flat out refused delivery until somebody else near me orders one too. It’s supposedly going to be delivered tomorrow… we shall see how it goes
The condensation isn't surprising to me but the fact that they never mentioned it would have condensation issues without proper insulation is surprising. Seems like a missed opportunity to up-sell customers on their end. The company I got a quote from included VRR insulation in the bid but I'm considering spray foam insulation in mine.
You have condensation because the roof sheeting does not has a dripstop foil, i recomand to foam it... dripstop in europe is around 1 eur/ m²
thanks for your advise.
It got to be cold out there, dude is beast no gloves on.
It was cold as fuck in Oklahoma this winter, but there were days where the sun was shining yet it was -1 outside
Yeah our Winters are always hovering around zero.
We get the same thing here.
6:30 and onward - such brute force, Ack(!) Doing what it takes to get the job done.
They kind of deserved your final assessment - this problem is integral to a design like this.
You really made a clear vid, thanks.
thanks for commenting and yeah your right.
Moisture barrier or insulation would stop the condensation.
Same for Carolina Carports in NC.
right on brother
Yes sir, putting in a Ridge Vent is a good start.
yeah, wouldn't you think their engineers would know that ?
My carport building does the same thing where we park our cars in but it only does it when the weather goes from hot to cold
All they had to do was put a goddamn vent on top of it.
TH-cam unsubbed me from your channel. Been wondering why i havent seen any videos for a year! Glad youre back.
your kidding ? Probably because I voted for trump. lol
@@GPackard lol but so did i
So did that fix the condensation problem?
It helped but it didn't fix it completely. I still get some condensation here and there but nowhere near as bad as it used to be.
@@GPackard thanks
Great video and information about steel buildings. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it and fuck american steel
What’s the role of material you used called?
mongoose and your welcome
Dont put a roof vent, put some side fans, easier to maintain for leaks and creatures.
Thanks for the thought I'll keep it in mind
The ridge cap should always have foam enclosures to keep weather from blowing in underneath
We did put foam enclosures on each side of it.
That sucks. I installed my versatube building myself, it is actually gapped at the peak intentionally. Instructions had me focus on the eve. Have you checked your eve length to make sure that’s right? Would have been a little easier sliding the back panel down 4” and getting a little extra eve out of it.
One other thing. I just installed some snow guards…. Helps melt the snow fast and gives me something to hold onto when sliding off the roof.
Thanks for the tips man I wish I would have thought of that before I cut 4 inch hole at the top.
Have you heard anything about using prodex for insulation?
no what is it ?
The 2 metal building I have had built, 2 different states and 2 different companies, both did the center of the roof like that. I wish I would have noticed when they were building my current one. I would have asked them to space it out. It seems its just the way they do it. I was thinking of doing the same thing you did but so far I have not.
I have installed a roof vent across the entire top of the building to allow the heat to escape it seems to help this winter will tell I'll keep you posted
You guys are brave for sure
Bizarre why they didn't offer you the felt lined roof panels like most of these steel building vendors do. Its applied at the factory and fused to the panel. It prevents the "dripping" issue and temporarily absorbs the moisture. On dry days it'll dry up; the felt is not meant to be an insulation barrier.
yeah, i found out about it online, NOT from american steel
@@GPackard What really bothered me is the lack of silicone rubber-resin polymer coating applied on both sides and the required engineering equipments (and services if necessary) to apply the additional seal coating of silicone rubber-resin on the exposed seams and on the bolts and what-have-you to have everything all sealed off from extreme heat and cold. And then maintaining a controlled and dry and dehumidified interior environment so as to apply the silicone rubber-resin foam just like we do in our military installations in Siberia.
Thanks for the info. I was planning to use them . Not any more .
Well I'm glad the truth comes out about those bastards f*** them they must like losing money take care of the customer or lose your ass your choice
There is a paint you can use that supposedly prevents condensation
I like to know what that is.
Thanks for the warning. FASB
How's your building doing now? Any more condensation issues? Also for 75k they should have fixed the building
it's much better but still gets condensation inside.
@@GPackard at least it's better. Overall it looks like a really nice building. Hope you get good use out of it.
Soo glad I saw this. I'm wanting to put up a 50x50 here in Florida and it won't be American Steel
Yeah I would not use those guys. I wish they knew the tens of thousands of dollars these guys have lost because they screwed me. All I had to do was come and fix it a $500 fix and they're done.
Should have a ridge vent on the roof +2 inches of sprayed on insulation secure your problem
Yes it would have but the engineer that I paid for didn't say a f****** word about any of that.
Hope all is well hope your are doing great in the 2021 season take care and God Bless
Thank you lawnmower man and Company I wish you the best as well my friend.
Adding vents high on the walls between the garage bays may have worked well enough.
there already there, wherever the steel bends.
Any chance you have an unveneted propane or natural gas heater in there? They produce a lot of water vapor!
Butler buildings are the best prefab steel building to erect hands down!
Never heard of them but thanks for sharing.
cutting on the roofs looks rough. I would have drilled 2 rows of 7/16 " holes spaced 2" apart all the way down on both sides and put the ridge cap back on
They don't care. They got your money, that's all they care about. These companies have so many customers it doesn't matter when they burn a bridge.
I totally agree with you!! With the COVID hiked wood prices more people are building these steel buildings, and the companies are getting so much more business than before they don’t care anything about the customer just their enormous profits!! My husband and I are in the process of pricing and comparing companies right now and this video is spot on!!! (BURNING BRIDGES IS THEIR THING!!!).
Right on brother f*** American Steel.
Yeah they don't give a dam.
Did you e er figure out who let the dogs out ??
I would say you are right!
sure am
You Should Try an insulation package
Tell us how ya really feel lol!!!! , helps me planning for my steel garage . thank you!!
You bet!
For the record I have R30 insulation in my steel building that I put up and I occassionally get some condensation drips in a couple areas. usually it's when I have it 70 degrees inside and it's like 40 outside. I bought a dehumidifier today. Hopefully I can keep the humidity down inside and they will fix this problem. I have like 70-80 percent humidity most of the time in the shop.
Thanks for sharing
Dont use propane ore no2 fuel heaters unless they are vented like a furnace. Torpedo heaters will produce moisture
A dehumidifier will help. You can bring it down to around 50%. Just be aware the dehumidifier will make a decent amount of heat. Good in winter, bad in summer.
Our insulated building occasionally has condensation on the red iron. Warm humid weather followed by cold front. We exhaust the moist air with a fan. The other thing that works is turning up the In floor heat.
yeah man, knock that down to 40% or 35% and you will be golden.
It’s so sad!!! Atleast you fixed this problem!!!
yeah we had to do it ! but hey they got there money right ?
@@GPackard they got their money but a few of us truckers just watched this video and guess what company we ain’t giving our money to. Thanks for this video and taking one for the team. American Steel has no idea how this is hurting them. They should be stripped of the American name when they run a business like that.
Very sorry you had to go through all of this. Hard to believe that any Building Company wood install without proper venting. Sorry to see you having to cut all that s*** by hand too. That would have been a lot easier to cut with a Worm Drive circular saw and a carbide tip steel blade. Unfortunately, it wasn't like you only had a few feet you had to cut. I hope everything works out for you guys and you're able to keep it dry.
thank you brother and remember FUCK AMERICAN STEEL !
I’m putting one up and having close cell insulation installed and I sure hope that works but my floor will be concrete and I will still use a dehumidifier after this video
Well I hope it's not from American Steel. Because remember they won't stand behind any of their buildings.
Good video guys and respect doing the hard work you shouldn't have had to in the elements. Regardless of Wisconsin or a Florida climate, the frickin' roof has to vent. Imagine If you let those clowns install insulation for you. It might hide the condition for a couple years. Spent 8 years doing residential home inspections in central Ohio. Saw so many roofs where they put on the ridge vent without opening the ridge. Add bathroom fans unvented and you got mold and soft OSB. Too much information. My son is US Navy in Jacksonville. Bought a place with an acre outside town and looking at a metal toy barn. Maybe 30' x 40' . I'll send him the video, thanks for posting!
I won't be buying from them now... screw them.
me either.
They didn't include a ridge vent as a standard feature? Isn't that required by your local building code?
no and no-one ever came out
My steel building has that radiant barrier insulation and I haven't had any condensation at all
that's because it was done right !
Wow agree agian no company wants to be responsible for there faults of a product terrable you had to get on a roof especially on cold snowy day could fell off broke your bones . Great information video .
Well thanks bread appreciate your concern and yeah it sucks but we had to do it I hope no one ever buys from them again f*** American Steel.
I have an open carport. It gets condensation inside as well. I think you are wasting your time putting a vent in. You need a vapor barrier. It should have been an option. I just had a 30 × 40 garage installed. Every manufacturer I met with highly recommended the barrier. They all said it would build up condensation. So we had it done. No moisture problems at all.
I was thinking of ordering something like that but in a small version I appreciate it I have a lot of personal cars I appreciate that New York
Yeah I definitely would not recommend these guys their terrible company.
I would not expect much from those buildings.
Versus what type of building ?
Love the hat,
How big is that building?
I really like all the bay doors.
I like the hat too, the building is 200 ft long by 30 ft wide, yeah I put all the bay doors in so that you don't have to shuffle things around to get it other things everything's got its own door.
I'm looking to build right now. I guess I'll cross American Steel off the list. Thanks for letting people know!
All metal buildings will do this, it’s not just American steel. He lives in Wisconsin…it’s cold and you have to modify the building as such, any builder should know this
I WOULD !
I don't think this will fix your issue. The roof is going to cool because you radiation losses to space. The vent doesn't stop the roof from being cold. You're going to have to insulate the roof to stop the indoor rain. I have this same issue with my plane hanger. The plane gets soaked with condinsation from the roof and ventilation isn't an issue.
I think you got a case I would sue them!
I try not to pay contractor until job is done. Always try and hold back 10-20% for a year so that you can avoid these issues. A reputable contractor understands this is how proper construction gets done and they accommodate this. W this gets you a little leverage to have work done correctly. On the other hand and you have a good contractor that knows what they are doing and you are happy, you can release those funds that are held back. At least you as the customer have a little control in the matter. Good Luck!!
Not sure what planet you're living on but you can never hold back 10 to 20% here in Wisconsin
Spray that stuff thats on the bottom of stainless steel sinks. It protects condensation
That really sucks you have to use a can opener and cut a big giant hole in your roof! I can't believe they would make a building and not Factor condensation in? Was this their first building that they ever put up?
i guess so. The fact is they do thousands of them but just don't care about the customer.
moisture wicking out of concrete slab is the issue there.
We have been building pre engineered structures since 1986.
All sizes all usages.
This is a common issue in mini storage buildings on wet clay soils.
Plastic under slab stops much of this condensation. We built and owned several mini storages with ridge vents which still had condensation off cold metal joists beams roof panels.
It is not a design flaw in structure but a lack of proper concrete design by Architect or owner to prevent water wicking through floor slab.
Okay chief let's start with this there is no concrete, I paid an engineer who designed this building according to the fact that I would have no concrete. Now let's try this again was this my fault ? And if so what did I pay the $800 to the engineer for ?
@@GPackard That makes it 100x worse not to have a slab at all.
All moisture will evap and condense on roof sheets and steel.
All buildings would do this.
@@GPackard Engineer Architect should have known and informed you.
We put dozens of bags of sakrete on floor raked it in dry and ran compactor over top while wetting it.
A cheap concrete floor for ag buildings.
Thanks for sharing
My pleasure
It’s funny but if you don’t know anything about steel buildings how can you ask the right questions when ordering? Shouldn’t they be able to anticipate the questions problems and concerns?
Well that's just it I had to pay them for an engineer to design this building so there should not have been any surprises right?
iv noticed big vents towards top on the end eaves of buildings like that
Yeah they should have been there but they didn't put them in.
Just like a Trumper. No foundation, just build a giant building and then complain about condensation. Plastic sheets are put under the concrete foundation to prevent moisture in the building.
Plastic my Ass , I had concrete poured with the plastic underneath and it still condensated ! So much for you Biden loving useless pos ! You had to bring politics into this ( which has nothing to do with it ) didn't you you worthless KAREN !
@@GPackard Your video clearly shows that the building has dirt floor. Many people noticed that. Your cult leader would be proud of how you have such a weak connection to the truth. Why would a person put in a proper concrete foundation and then cover it with dirt?
This was a different building you useless dumbass ! Show's how f## stupid you really are you liberal Karen. Why don't you just stick with what you know like f###ing up the country , driving us towards war, give every freeloading ILLEGAL immigrant free healthcare, free money, free housing, free food , let men compete in women's sports, raise gas prices through the roof, raise groceries through the roof, make affordable housing impossible, open up the border, let criminals back out on the streets, protect the SICK transvestites , force the vaccine on everyone and that's just off the top of my head you sick F#### !
get help karen !
I assume you're not selling their buildings anymore?
you got that right, fuck those BASTARDS !
I absolutely like this dude you are awesome I like that fuck American Steel. I'm actually looking for a steel building myself here in Idaho and thank you for letting me see the video I will not be spending my $150k with American Steel
Well thanks for the kind words and yeah I wanted to put up another two or three buildings in the next year or two but now f*** them they just lost $200,000 or they're making money hand over fist ain't they
I got screwed by them when I contracted them to build a 32x42 garage with 16 ft side walls to hold a large RV, 5th wheel or commercial truck.
Full disclosure: we were also building a house at the same time and the GC’s BIL was the sales person that specified the building.
The foundation went ok but when the steel crew showed up, I was informed that the slab was 4” too short on two sides and that the void was filled with PT lumber. True professional work there.
Then I discovered that they failed to install any panel closures so the garage is home to any mouse, rat or squirrel that happens by.
And before you ask, GA panders to the building industry so my GC had, at least two different businesses during the project so the company (GC) that specified and paid for the build was out of business by the time the issues were discovered.
Doesn't that just figure, I'm sure we're not the only ones who get screwed by those pricks, do us all a favor and leave a bad review for them on Google maybe if they get enough bad reviews and put themselves out of business and that would serve them right.
Nice work indeed but, are all American companies pay the same?, like this BL Harbert constructing USA Embassy here in Namibia pays US$1 per hour for general workers and US$2 per hour for welders..
Thank you. You just saved me a small fortune as I was looking at AS for a building. They should have installed that ridge venting right from the get go and saved you all the time and hassle (I am sure you would have gladly paid the TINY bit extra that venting costs).
You are welcome!
Congratulation for participation in condensation mitigation.
Now that's a mouthful