I’m a self employed carpenter and have worked with a lot of Metal building contractors. I can tell you they had no clue what they were doing. I’d be pursuing legal action.
Agreed. That is almost a full rebuild right there. My opinion the whole shell should be stripped. And the framing rechecked. I don’t even know if I would trust that
Last comment. Yup! I'm a pole barn contractor and the majority of people I give estimates to go with cheaper prices. I no longer waste my time explaining the difference between good and bad work and how a process can go. I just do great work for the people who will pay.
In my experience, most of the time when they "come and fix it" they'll send the same guys back out there and they're just disgruntled that they got chewed out and had to go back. It's never going to be good work sadly.
@Robert Swaine they will not strip it and fix it. there is no $$ in the budget to fix their fukups. there is no way this can be repaired without starting over. this guy will hate this building for aas long as he owns it. thanks to him for showing us that the worst thing we fear is exactly what will happen if we let someone install something.
@@xxxmikeyjock personally i've dealt with similar jobs when i was in the building trade and had to mop up the shizz of people from a company i used to sub into than more times that i could count, the A team and will probably do the actual job is sub contractors from outside the company that have a decent reputation and they'll just make it look something ''like'' right the reason they'll do this since if they used their team it'll cost more with day rates but if they sub out the job it'll be cheaper since it'll be a fixed cost so it can be negated from the profits to either be a net zero or still be in the green whist saving their reputation. personally i don't think this a ''can't be repaired job and has to be torn down and try again'' it can be fixed giving there profit margin.
@@DatBoiOrly all the holes are drilled wrong. you cannot undrill sheet metal. at best you can make it look a little less shitty which is not the same as 'fixed'
@@xxxmikeyjock true and thats why i said ''something like right'' even if some of the screws are off as long as all the panels are parallel and true and actually held into something it'll look a hell of a lot better than what's there now not just a ''little''.
@@DatBoiOrly that isnt what the guy paid for though is it? he paid for a new building properly installed. so that doesnt 'fix' the issue. 'its better' means it isnt 'good'.
It's not mean or "throwing someone under the bus" to call them out for a job done poorly. It's not even mean to call them out by name. That's how businesses work and if you can't own up to the bad job you've done, you should feel the consequences.
@@ryanc2114just because they’re “reputable” doesn’t mean they’re always gonna do a great job.I’ve had crap work done by the top 4 in my area and have had to have my lawyer contact them just to get communications going because they ignored me
This may require litigation. If I were you I would have the building removed and your money returned. There is no way you can feel confident in the structural integrity of a building that was so poorly constructed. This is a train wreck. I feel for you and wish you all the best✌🏻
That requires alot of time and energy that he probably isn't ready to waste. If they want to come and fix all the problems, why not let them. They could be super apologetic.
@@randy-yk1yk that's a fair assessment. Maybe he did do all that and their best man was out that week who knows. But to my point it is very rare that a company come out and fix the whole problem on their dime but it is possible.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Some mistakes you just know can't be fixed. And because it is metal, none of this product can be reused. I'd not be surprised at all if the guys building this were day laborers who had zero experience putting one of these buildings together. The fix is to tear the building down and rebuild it from scratch using a crew that knows what they are doing. And yes, I'd be supervising them like a hawk.
Contractors and hack jobs all work under LLC’s so good luck getting any money from a a guy that likely has no money or assets under the LLC. Legal fees and lost work time will outweigh that financial reimbursement that a judge could potentially give
Why on earth didn't they use color matched screws??? Appears this is their first job without supervision. Sorry you are having to deal with this Gman!! You are NOT throwing them under the bus, they drove themselves to the bus stop, had lunch and then climbed under it themselves.
Cost does need to be considered. You can't pick apart every little detail, and the color of the screws is hardly a point of valid criticism on a cheap steel building. No need to stretch on what they did wrong. Stainless might be the standard color and what was paid for.
This is par for the course these days… I used to “stay in my lanes” a customer asked me to put on gutters, or call a “pro” I told them call a “pro” for anyone who does it everyday will be better than me. 😏 I felt bad when the homeowner called me to “fix” gutters. A whole-ass (even got billboards) gutter crew put on 400ft worth of dead ass level gutters !?! I don’t give away jobs anymore. Fuck em’ in trying to do the “right thing” I wound up looking like an asshole because I overestimated todays “Professional”…. For the 3rd and last time.
YES!! I see by the comments they 'assume' that they didn't know what they were doing.... to me, also, it looks more like 'screw it' job.. we don't care work... I've done a TON of siding and I will tell you we are anal to a fault about lines matching up especially around corners.. we are REALLY picky... whoever built this and what people don't always understand too is that sometimes these guys are behind schedule and getting screamed at to 'hurry up'...... this also causes issues...
As a contractor, I hope your paying your employees properly. Otherwise they will keep doing the same exact thing. Good labor isn't cheap. And cheap labor isn't good. THE MORE YOU KNOW 🌈
I see someone else already mentioned them cheaping out on color matched screws. Galv screws are $10 cheaper per hundred. Steel buildings were my gig for many years. The sheets don't have a single stitch screw on the overlaps which is why they aren't sitting tight. There's zero base flashing to cover the sill plate. The biggest thing I noticed is how out of square the roof sheets are or even worse, the roof is. That's why they're stepping at the end of the sheets. If you want any professional help by message, let me know.
You correct on all counts. I’m a retired industrial sheet metal worker and this is a fine example of incompetence. They better bring a trailer full of new sheets and flashing. Roof support steel alignment is beyond ridiculously out of line. Roof sheets are out of square and I’m willing to bet the whole building is. Once roof supports are corrected good luck getting screws in old holes to hit support. Misalignment of siding along with wrong sheet elevation for slab coverage means staring over. Don’t let them try to flash bottom sheet for coverage there and call it a day. Demand a new crew. The incompetence level of the first can not fix this. By all means get on that roof and see if peak flashing is installed correctly. It should have closures and god for bid ran straight. If it has a matching pressed cap flashing make sure it’s sealed. This type requires sheets align on both sides of rake so good luck with that. Look for striped out screws and over torque as you saw on siding. Roof sheet termination at gable ends is important. Flashing should fall beyond sheet ridge or have a butyl tape between sheet and flashing if ending on the flat of the sheet this also can be accomplished by setting a light gage channel or j-channel similar to door flashing to achieve proper elevation to match sheets ribs. Man I feel for you. The only thing right about this building is it’s on the slab. In my opinion should you chose to keep this build they should give it to you at cost with no labour fees. I’m sure the rest of the video of the installation is mind blowing. Good luck. I subscribed because I have to see how this disaster turns out.
I marvel at your ability to remain calm in the face of such a major letdown. I’m glad they are coming back to fix it, but it would have been so much better to do it right the first time. Having had to dismiss a contractor part way through a job (before he could do even more shoddy work), I feel for you.
I’m a carpenter for 30 years, and I have a custom millwork and cabinet shop . I can tell you that of all the jobs I come across that have gone wrong mostly have to do with pricing, customers think they found a deal . There are no deals out there. They’re either cheating the system, no insurance, no comp , pay no taxes or the cut corners. I can tell you a million stories from tree removal to the multi million dollar jobs we work on . Contractors that are qualified and do quality work are becoming far and few between, it’s quite sad . What’s going on today is these guys work for someone for a year and now they go out on their own , they haven’t put in enough time to learn the all the tricks of that trade . Now they are teaching a new apprentice all the bad stuff they know . And the cycle continues.
You're absolutely right about people's reluctance to hire contractors for fear of something like this - or much worse. I feel like this also is directly related to why so many people have deferred maintenance...they don't want to get screwed. Really hope the company does the right thing for you, Greyum. 🙏🏽
Wow. That really hurt me to watch. From personal experience, I don't use contractors for work anymore; been the subject of too many botched jobs. If I don't know how to do something myself, well gosh darn, I'm gonna learn it. I hope they fix that building to a point where you're satisfied. It's the least they can do. Stay strong, Graham. Love your content, from all the way up here in Canada... And so you know, you're welcome back anytime ;)
Wow….that sucks…. I had same type of building done and the 3 young guys that did mine were amazing. They wouldn’t leave till we did a walk thru and I pointed out maybe 2 small infractions.. they fixed them and I’ve been satisfied for 3 years so far.
Looks like they rounded up some day laborers at Home Depot, showed them a picture of what the end product was supposed to look like, and turned them loose to figure it out. That's a horrible job. They need to take that down and start over with new materials AND a fully trained crew supervised by someone who has actually done it before.
Holy crap!!!! I’m a middle aged woman with limited skills with metal, and I’m utterly horrified. There is no way they can “fix” this. They’ve got to bring a whole new building and start over. Guaranteed it will leak the first time it rains. And I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near it when the wind blows. This is a travesty. I don’t care where you’re from on this planet, if that’s good enough for you you shouldn’t be in the trades. Sorry you’re going through this!
Hang in there, I'm so sorry you are going through this. It is unbelievable how terrible a job they did. Stay on top of them. Can't believe how bad they are! You are such a nice guy, don't let them take advantage of you. All the best. Peace and Good Fortune and Good Health to you and your family.
Had eagle carports fail to properly build a simple single slope carport for me. The company engineered the roof angles wrong so the whole thing leaned. They had to come cut several inches off of the legs. I'm an engineer and I sent them detailed explanations of the problem, trying to help them correct their weld fixtures or drawings. They treated me like I was an idiot. I ended up redoing all the roof tin myself. I need another carport, but I've found a local company that sells kits so I plan to do it myself.
Yikes!! Can’t see how that gets fixed without rebuilding. Feels like a situation where any one thing could be a shake your head at but be ok with it. That many issues just starts to compound and make the whole thing worse. Good luck and hope it gets resolved
3:00 that exposed rebar is going to cause concrete cancer and from the build up of rust there no matter what you do there its going to expand and crack there most steel NEEDS to be imbedded atleast 3 inch or it'll rust expand and crack the concrete
How come the back of the shed has roof truss supports (those angled cross members that anchor the wall and truss), but the front garage door side doesn't have a single one?
Yes, I am responding to this two weeks later. However, I haven't seen an update video/post, so if this has already been fully corrected, please ignore this. 1) Make a detailed list and take photos of all of all the errors and shortcomings in the building. 2) Draft a letter explaining your dissatisfaction with the work and include the detailed list of errors and photos. Make a copy, keep for your records 3) Mail the letter to office via CERTIFIED MAIL. 4) Wait for the receipt from the certified mail to be returned. 5) Follow up with a phone call after the receipt is received to see when they want to come and fix the building to the correct specifications 6) If the company fails to correct the errors to your satisfaction, you now have everything you need to take them to court. At best you can get your money back and they can come take their "building" back so that you can try again with a more reputable company. At worst, you settle before court and get some money returned to put towards getting it fixed. Also, never underestimate the benefits of a BBB claim. After watching your channel, I would hope for the latter, put the money forward towards the next project, and fix the building yourself - you are clearly more qualified than the amateurs that came out and erected that monstrosity.
Dude that’s painful, when I had my house done, it was 2 Russian Brothers…one brother was a perfectionist, and kept ripping off the siding the other brother did, at one point I thought I was going to need to call the cops…beautiful work in the end…and we had a live stage show all day, man those 2 argued all day.
You should check the building instructions, but when they dropped that first panel, I’m 99% sure it should lot have had the tin on it at all. Every one of these I’ve ever seen when bottom to top so the higher panels overlap on top and outside of the previous one. This is also why you walls don’t line up. If they had started from level concrete the panel widths would line up, they seem to have just cut the peak wherever and then flowed it down, also wherever. On my building the peak is last, and you don’t even really cut it. You install it square and level and then trim it right to the roofline after it’s in place.
That sucks bro. Don’t relent on your expectations from that company. They will likely end up just offering you a discounted price while leaving the majority of the mistakes. Start thinking about if you would accept that. I’ve received refunds (partial and full) for shotty work, but I’ll personally tell you I would far rather have a high quality end product that costs more money than a low quality end product that is steeply discounted or even free.
I needed a 24x36 shop and researched metal buildings. It bothered me that the manufacturer was not the installer. Installation was subcontracted and the manufacturer was not responsible for assembly. Some were better than others but in the end I went with a conventional stick structure and acted as my own GC. Everything went fine no delays or issues.
I am a contractor and this is totally unacceptable,Please take legal action so they don’t do this to someone else ,it takes a special person to mess a job up that bad,Sorry this happened to you
There should be a membrane between bottom plate and concrete, followed by a flashing to divert water AWAY from the building. Plus depending where you are, engineer spec'd hold downs to combat uplift in high wind events.
I’m a contractor, have been in the business for nearly 45 years, first I have to ask how did you qualify this builder, was it by word of mouth, or was this a friends recommendation?…in any case, I myself am on the extremes of perfection, never will I have any project with a fault…engineered, detailed, and firm proposals…that’s appalling….shame that the industry suffers from this, but there are lousy doctors, lawyers, and car dealers….picking a contractor should be an exercise in exploring multiple past projects…it’s a resume if you will…and on they go to do this again and again…
When I did the siding on my house, I used a laser and marked a control line all the way around. From there, I used my tape and figured out where to start and every end of siding lined up perfectly. Because all the walls were straight runs on his build, it looks as though they “eyeballed” everything.
It really is sad out there sometimes. As a DIYer I was so shocked at the terrible work people did when my parents renovated their house. So many things I could have done much better (and I’m not saying I do very good work!). But they were paying too dollar thinking they had great contractors. So sorry man!
For over a year I have researched metal and wood garages to replace a very old one. Got pricing. I really wanted a metal one. I started noticing stories just exactly as yours. Most of the metal garage makers get their from a few manufacturers. Then the companies hire who ever to erect the building. I eventually came to the conclusion that if I build a new garage I will build a wood one myself. And I am not a builder or have the experience. Just don't want to spend the money to have bad workmanship. Sorry you are going through this. Can't believe the dropped a side , damaged it and clearly just put it up anyway.
thanks for this video man- im a small TH-camr and im having a building built as well. I just submitted the drawings to the county. This just screams " shoddy workmanship"! I got the Same Color Scheme 30x40 - the whole process up to this point with the slab has been a nightmare. I chose the colored screws and yes it was a additional $600! Your video is going to make me monitor my building construction alot more closely for sure..
Wow…I just had a 24x40 metal building installed at my place. I spent ALOT of money on the building, dirt work, and concrete and experienced a lot of anxiety when the builders came to set it up. While it was not perfect, I did not experience what you went through. How you are able to stay so composed is amazing to me and speaks volumes about your character. I would have lost it…you are so correct with your statements about contractors…it’s hard to find good ones nowadays. I hope you get this sorted out and they do the right thing…no one deserves to spend their hard earned money for a terrible work. Good luck to you…..
I've been toying with the idea of getting someone to help build some stuff for me. This is my fear (and why I haven't yet). Instead I overwork and stress myself out with too many projects. Can't win 🤷♂ haha On a sunny day when the sun is high in the sky, walk around the inside of the building and see how many screw holes they put in the roof(and missed) and didn't fill. I'm guessing there will be more than one water leaking hole.
Buddy of mine had a pole barn buit, and when they set the trusses, they set them on the wrong side of the mark. When we tried to close in the ceiling, about a quarter of the way across, the edge of the drywall no longer lined up with the ceiling joist. Thanks!!!
I hope there is a significant balance of that purchase to be paid after the work has been completed. The company needs to give you labor at no charge and materials at their cost. The second option would be to correct every issue with the building
When they built my shop, dude used a dimple punch and set all the screws in line before raising the panel. He was able to dimple multiple panels on the stack, so all the fasteners are equally aligned.
You hit the nail on the head. We need more TRADES PEOPLE! NOT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE! The push to send everyone to college was a BIG mistake. Right now if you are in the trades, you can make MORE money than any college graduate. It took me 6 months to get a septic company to move my septic spray heads so I could build my metal building. The first quote was $6500 and got it done $2900. That was about $1,500 profit for the septic company for one day of work!!
sadly the trades attract a lot of scumbags looking for easy money since most people don't have the know how to do the things for themselves or the ability to do it in the first place.
You cant just bring in "More"... you have to teach them.... who teaches them matters. At this point your sills, corners and trimmers on the doors will rot in 3-5 years. Google starter strip
Look on the bright side, at least you got a workshop. I had some knuckleheads pour a 30x60 foundation and they were short by as much as 1.5". The workshop people came to install it, measured the slab and said "we can't install it, it's not the correct dimensions." The concrete people came back and made a half-ass attempt to extend the slab, but they weren't driving in rebar or digging down far enough to support the walls. They got about half way through setting up forms and I haven't heard from them since. This was a year and a half ago. Now I have a useless concrete slab I paid tens of thousands for and no workshop. 🤬
Wow! This was hard to watch... Very heartbreaking. I would be so upset! definitely looks like a law suit. I hope this gets all fixed for you. I'm sorry this happened to you!
I feel your pain. I just had a 30x40 garage and 16x20 addition built and hooked up to my house. The metal roof is about to be completely removed and then reinstalled. It sucks
Wood barn builder, to fix this looks like taking it apart enough to square the frame of the building, and then having competent people replace all the metal, at least competent enough to use a reference line for their trim so everything runs level, or a simple string line so the roof panels go on straight. If you DIY, highly recommend picking up a pair of red and green offset aviation snips from Midwest, it'll make all your trim cuts look cleaner, plus a hand for hiding those tabs they left sticking out all over inside the hem in the trim.
That is absolutely horrendous! There is no fixing this. It requires a complete do over. There is no pride in workmanship. No skill. No professionalism. Please do not compromise! It needs to be done over again. If they tinker with fixing it, you’ll never be happy. It’ll bother you forever. It’s such a horrible feeling when you compromise on something like this, so don’t do it.
I really have no idea how to pick a contractor. Angie's list (now Angie) seemed like a great idea when it came out but it's just another paid service (I worked for a company that paid to be listed and positively reviewed). The cheap contractor that did a terrible job renovating my mother's laundry room now builds million dollar houses with the same poor quality workmanship. When I got roofing quotes last year one of the middle-of-the-road quotes came from a contractor that quoted garbage shingles and when I called them out they just said I could choose other shingles. They didn't even attempt to defend their product. I just don't know how I'm going to find someone to trust.
Thank you for sharing this. I am a master plumber and stay really booked up with work, so I was considering subcontracting out my new shop build (I have leased for years). I think I’ll stick with versatube and do it myself now. I hope the building still serves you well regardless of the issues.
That is horrific. They were clearly inexperienced and didn’t have enough qualified people to help them. 1 they should always have a safety when lifting any wall. 2 just because someone is a “contractor” even if they are local does not mean they know what they are doing. 3 make sure to go check out other builds most people have past build they will show as well and some allow you to check them out in person. Make sure it is fixed 1 but it is payed on your terms not theirs. That should be an automatic. They shouldn’t have an argument for any reason to get their full pay
Sad to see this is so rampant. We had an issue with ours as well. Although yours is worse. Ours came back and fixed it. If you can, get them to color match the fasteners when they redo it. It looks much cleaner and you will get your rubber washers refreshed too. Also, they should have added rat guard at the bottom. It’s a flashing that goes around and keeps water that drips down the sides of the metal from going in the shop. Also keeps critters out. And I know you know this. They should have chalk lined the studs. Thankfully they did that for ours so at least the screws are straight and not missed. I hope to heaven yours is fixed…it’s not right.
they placed first panel few degrees rotated(not perpendicular to the wall)so when you lay on other panel you then notice the roof skirt starts to narrow as you lay more and more panels. so they pushed panel down a bit and yet continued all the way :D
Apparently they didn't have a string line, tape measure or level. I am going to order a building soon, I will wait until the follow up now. Also, when mine come I will watch every single thing they do. This video made me sick to my stomach.
WOW! That is just terrible, I wouldn't allow them back on site unless it was to remove the shed completely and replace it with a builder who actually knows what they are doing. You're doing well not to rip someones head off.
I've been pricing up metal carports myself and the horizontal orientation of the sides is standard. They can make a longer run without cutting sheets. Vertical is available as an option at extra cost because more cuts and fasteners are involved. Worth it if you ask me; vertical just looks better.
I am a scientist and, as someone who has never built or rebuilt anything larger than a human joint in my life, consider myself a semi-professional amateur. This is messed up. I’m glad you’re calling it out and pointing these errors out so we can all learn.
If they couldn't install it right the first time. Do you really trust them to come back a second time. I'd probably ask for like 75% back and fix it myself. You can remove those panels and reinstall them over a weekend. Seal the bottom plate along the tin/pad and all the missed holes with butyl. Add some more truss bracing that's missing. Trim the roof. Add a couple new pieces of flashing.
Dude. I’m sorry this happened. This is straight up shotty workmanship. All the errors and mistakes aside, I’m quite certain that those metal panels are supposed be installed with the ribs running vertically and not horizontally. I think she’s gotta basically be torn down Much love man
I see alot of problems from the roof all the way to the slab actually after framing the first piece of trim before any panels are installed would have been the rat seal to keep moisture and critters from coming in at the slab , the screws missing the studs well that's just straight from stupidity and being lazy a simple level and marker will insure never missing the stud and all "anchors" screws will be straight as for the panels not squaring up on the roof that means the building is outa square from the start, I do this 5 days a week just to pay for the finer things in life like electricity, cable tv,, groceries and whatnot, if I tryed to pass off my work like these guys I'm positive I'd go hungry, don't know what you paid for this project and it don't matter, you did not get what you paid for. If it was me the only solution for the contractor to make it right is to take it down and start over and use another company for the new building if the first contractor has a issue with it tell him you will make him famous with your video of the very first wall they tryed to pass off as quality workmanship 🤦♂️
I've put together, largely by myself, a few of those small metal sheds (Arrow). By no means are these as complicated as what you have here, but they are similar if not for the scale of them, but in that they made me to never, ever deal with metals buildings anymore. You video here just reinforced that decision.
That is way too many mistakes for one building… I used Big Buildings Direct here in Tampa Florida, and had a great experience with them. The team that came out did all of install work did all of the things you’re mentioning all the simple things to avoid these mistakes… They better make it right
Big buildings direct flat out stole $7k from me. They swore up and down they could anchor it direct to ground. County requires the installer to pull the permit and be licensed for whole job to do that. ‘We don’t apply for permits’. Ok, we’ll then you don’t install ground anchors do you? And you know what their response was? To send me an invoice for the second deposit!
It sucks to have to say this but you literally have to shadow the builders and get up at 7 AM and watch all of their work. If you don't you're gonna run into this problem. Otherwise you might as well just build it yourself that's how bad labor is these days
Your are hiring the wrong people, can you not do a simple check about the people you are hiring to do a building? How long have they been in business? Can they provide pictures of stuff related to your project with contacts you can reach? Can you not speak with former customers? If you can't, then don't use this company. I am lucky to work with the same company that has the highest name possible in our area. Won't be the cheapest but everything holds a 25 year warranty. And we would never install tin on a wall horizontal. That is a carport, not a building. Maybe they sold him a pipe dream idk. But this stuff doesn't happen if you actually do research about the crew doing your building.
@@Joseph-ny5rr " can you not do a simple check about the people you are hiring to do a building?" Yah maybe in the past. These days you have to do all the vetting you described above and you really should be there to watch what's going on. If you think you can be in another city or state or just let them off on their own, then you don't realize how bad service in America has gotten. It's just a sad truth of where we are at.
Maybe I am lucky working behind a contractor that doesn't have to deal with customers. Our contractors would never put us in this position. I don't know who is wrong, did he not know this is a carport? We don't have to worry about that. We get brought in to do good work. We would never touch a job like this just because the tin is installed horizontal. We have so much work just because our contractors won't use anyone else. Literally watched someone wait 14 months with a building on the ground refuse to move forward until we could come work. That is when you know you do good work. Just use references people!
@@77Avadon77 I agree with what you are saying! Definitely watch over work. Definitely if it your money, Definitely check in on it. But more importantly hire the right people.
@@Joseph-ny5rr Definitely the one important thing that I've missed in the past and I would never make the mistake on now is to not go visit and walk through their completed projects because that will tell you a lot about what you're going to get
Dude!! That is absolutely unacceptable! I would be livid! I hope they make it all good for you. I would’ve been embarrassed to walk away from that job! Keep your head up bro!
That is terrible! I hope you have not paid them yet. If you cannot get them back on the job to fix it, contact your municipality at the licensing office to go after their license if they have one
Caleb--Absolutely! Been there/done that! (the below is directed at Graham): For heaven's sake, do NOT let them walk away until you are 100% satisfied with that building! I have to assume that since you're dealing in many thousands of dollars, they must have someone holding a license. Go after that person and their license. Please do NOT let them walk away!! You will be doing a great service for the people who might use them down the road. Like everyone else here, I am so sorry that this happened to you. I hope for the best for you!
Dang, I just had a steel sided pole building put up and they snapped a chalk line to be sure all the screws lined up. Mitered all the trim corners, and in general did a super job. I certainly got a good contractor. 😊
I don’t even know what to say other than WOW 😮, looks like a first timer did this, and the sad part is nobody has any pride in their work anymore! Sorry your going through this! Hopefully they will come back and make it right
Hats off to you in keeping your cool. I can not honestly say i would be taking it that well. Probably blow my top. I've been in construction for almost 40 years, and the last decade, stuff like this is becoming common. Smh Good luck on getting them to fix their disrespect for the customer and themselves.
Can someone explain why they started putting the tin horizontally instead of vertically? Our church had a garage built for our van's and it's the same way. Does it take less material?
Because it’s quite a bit cheaper. If you run it vertical , you have to space the studs closer together, (so more studs) and you also have to be accurate putting them up vertically and plumb as well as hit the mark lining up the panels. Which these guys coulda never done lol.
All the sheeting needs to come down including the roof, the purlins reset and the use of a tape measure to get correct alignment of the metal sheets. Totally shoddy workmanship and as a semi professional amateur you know what you are talking about and this is not what you paid for.
At least the foundation looks solid and well poured. I don't know what the rules are for how far apart the anchors need to be, but I'd also question if they even put in enough anchors. I'm no expert, but shouldn't there be a gasket between the concrete and the metal frame? Otherwise you will get water penetration. And lastly why is the center of the roof not on the center of the building? That slant is way off. Granted this is likely North Carolina and they don't get a lot of snow, but when you get it, it is not sliding off that roof on the back due to the low angle. And there doesn't seem to be ice breakers on the sheet metal roof to break up ice and snow when the ice and snow does slide off the roof.
Oh Graham! What an awful disappointment. And, it’s not like it’s a small project. That shed is huge and those ‘so called’ builders have a major job ahead of them to correct their shocking work. I hope and prey they do right by you. We have a description for those type of people here in Australia: “bloody bastards!”. Sending you a big hug my friend. You have a stressful journey ahead of you. 😉🦘🇦🇺🌺🌴
In my experience with contractors, having both hired them and worked for them, it’s bad. Like really bad. My first job doing welding and maintenance work for heavy industry, they sent me out to all manner of job sites with absolutely no training. I had to teach myself how to drive forklifts and boom lifts on site, using the customer’s equipment, inside the customers facility. If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know, I don’t know what will. No one else took pride in their work, and I mean no one. I remember my coworkers constantly laughing at me when I would volunteer myself for the tough jobs, because they just couldn’t understand that I enjoy building and fixing things and I wanted to learn. One time I got to chatting with one of the facilities managers at a job, and found out they were being charged $160 bucks per head per hour. At the time I was making $23. I know the company has to make money, but that is outrageous at best. Contractors are an awesome and entirely necessary industry, with some extremely sad practices.
Good grief, Graeme. It’s not fair you just can’t catch a break. Well done for keeping your cool, though certainly an emotional episode. Wish we had skills and a trust fund to help. We’re paycheck to paycheck and inept. Also, we’re not all that good looking. Despite being useless to you, we’re cheering you on in SW VA. Keeping on being cool and beautiful. ✌🏻 to you and yours.
We had a 18 by 24 by 12 carport built on our lake lot this year. I stayed down there while they were there. I did not have my ground absolutely level and they had to do some things to make sure they kept the building level. Now I need to go down and see how many screws they missed. I know they sure left a lot of screws in my rock that could puncture my motorhome tires. And they were 12 hours late from the time that was promised of their arrival. It was supposed to be a 4 hour build but took 2 days or 12 hours in 2 different days.
Yea it’s a real shame. Starts from the top. They need to put together realistic expectations and better crews. If they did, they’d actually make more money, the crew that is. So sad. So so so sad.
The documentary "Idiocracy" is coming to fruition. I've been in construction for 40 years and I rarely see anyone under the age of 40 on job sites anymore. If so, this is the type of work you see from them because they're not interested in learning all the skills needed to be a craftsman because they don't plan on doing it long-term.
You’re 100% right about the build quality. Besides the look, the misplaced panels may lead to wind and water damage. Plus, the building is below grade in the back. Think about some drainage solutions in case water settles there since the slab is all set.
Oh my goodness Dr Woodness! Wait… you’re not a model?! But seriously, they should be embarrassed. At least you can go have fun with your awesome trailer and 50 acres of black bears. Hopefully you will be able to give us a positive update soon. Hang in there!
I did a versatube building myself it took me about 80 hrs to build 25x36 turned out perfectly except for 9 misses on my walls and roof 😅 with a Lazer string line and chalk I feel your pain my friend!!! Good luck with that project those metal panels are crazy expensive!!! There no way they are going to replace them and eat that cost check your contract 😒!!! When you replace your metal panels have them place vertically with hat channel
They obviously have the skills ! But they just need better quality control! Very sad! But it all can be fixed! I'll take Trump's economy over Bush Clinton's Obama Biden Klan all put together!
Senor tu loco grande. 😮😂 Thanks for sharing. I’m about to order a building and this brought to light a lot of the questions I need to ask the salesperson along with the need to read the fine print.
Man, I am in the exact same situation... Mine is my yard, picked a local landscape architect/builder. Got a nice design, checked their previous work and reviews, they are licensed etc... anyway, should have taken 8 weeks (per contract) we are a year later, half done, they ran out of money and have abandoned the job. We are out $120k, all the work they did is crap. But they were reasonable, and wanted to keep fixing the issues we were finding... and we let them... and then they walked. I feel for you.
I like the white screws used through the grey panels and black trim. Over the years , I have come to trust the hair on the back of my neck. Fire the incompetent contractor much earlier in the process. Could you have them remove the building , slab and all, and start over with another plan?
I’m a self employed carpenter and have worked with a lot of Metal building contractors. I can tell you they had no clue what they were doing. I’d be pursuing legal action.
Agreed. That is almost a full rebuild right there. My opinion the whole shell should be stripped. And the framing rechecked. I don’t even know if I would trust that
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Did you hire this company because of their reputation or price of the building?? Let's hear it??
Last comment. Yup! I'm a pole barn contractor and the majority of people I give estimates to go with cheaper prices. I no longer waste my time explaining the difference between good and bad work and how a process can go. I just do great work for the people who will pay.
In my experience, most of the time when they "come and fix it" they'll send the same guys back out there and they're just disgruntled that they got chewed out and had to go back. It's never going to be good work sadly.
@Robert Swaine they will not strip it and fix it. there is no $$ in the budget to fix their fukups. there is no way this can be repaired without starting over. this guy will hate this building for aas long as he owns it. thanks to him for showing us that the worst thing we fear is exactly what will happen if we let someone install something.
@@xxxmikeyjock personally i've dealt with similar jobs when i was in the building trade and had to mop up the shizz of people from a company i used to sub into than more times that i could count, the A team and will probably do the actual job is sub contractors from outside the company that have a decent reputation and they'll just make it look something ''like'' right the reason they'll do this since if they used their team it'll cost more with day rates but if they sub out the job it'll be cheaper since it'll be a fixed cost so it can be negated from the profits to either be a net zero or still be in the green whist saving their reputation.
personally i don't think this a ''can't be repaired job and has to be torn down and try again'' it can be fixed giving there profit margin.
@@DatBoiOrly all the holes are drilled wrong. you cannot undrill sheet metal. at best you can make it look a little less shitty which is not the same as 'fixed'
@@xxxmikeyjock true and thats why i said ''something like right'' even if some of the screws are off as long as all the panels are parallel and true and actually held into something it'll look a hell of a lot better than what's there now not just a ''little''.
@@DatBoiOrly that isnt what the guy paid for though is it? he paid for a new building properly installed. so that doesnt 'fix' the issue. 'its better' means it isnt 'good'.
It's not mean or "throwing someone under the bus" to call them out for a job done poorly. It's not even mean to call them out by name. That's how businesses work and if you can't own up to the bad job you've done, you should feel the consequences.
Thanks for the encouragement.
But did you pay for high end work? Or did you tell reputable builder, "Your price is too high." I wonder..
@@ryanc2114just because they’re “reputable” doesn’t mean they’re always gonna do a great job.I’ve had crap work done by the top 4 in my area and have had to have my lawyer contact them just to get communications going because they ignored me
This may require litigation. If I were you I would have the building removed and your money returned. There is no way you can feel confident in the structural integrity of a building that was so poorly constructed. This is a train wreck.
I feel for you and wish you all the best✌🏻
That requires alot of time and energy that he probably isn't ready to waste. If they want to come and fix all the problems, why not let them. They could be super apologetic.
@@randy-yk1yk that's a fair assessment. Maybe he did do all that and their best man was out that week who knows. But to my point it is very rare that a company come out and fix the whole problem on their dime but it is possible.
How did it turn out?
I was thinking the exact same thing. Some mistakes you just know can't be fixed. And because it is metal, none of this product can be reused. I'd not be surprised at all if the guys building this were day laborers who had zero experience putting one of these buildings together.
The fix is to tear the building down and rebuild it from scratch using a crew that knows what they are doing. And yes, I'd be supervising them like a hawk.
Contractors and hack jobs all work under LLC’s so good luck getting any money from a a guy that likely has no money or assets under the LLC. Legal fees and lost work time will outweigh that financial reimbursement that a judge could potentially give
Why on earth didn't they use color matched screws??? Appears this is their first job without supervision. Sorry you are having to deal with this Gman!! You are NOT throwing them under the bus, they drove themselves to the bus stop, had lunch and then climbed under it themselves.
Cost does need to be considered. You can't pick apart every little detail, and the color of the screws is hardly a point of valid criticism on a cheap steel building. No need to stretch on what they did wrong. Stainless might be the standard color and what was paid for.
I just did a metal building. Color matched screws was an additional $900. I feel bad for this dude. This is shoddy work.
A dude building in trainers... i dont even do that and im a buildernoob. Still a nice shed. Slab looks perfect
900$ for color matched!??? How big of a building did you get?
900$ in screws ? You my friend got screwed!!!
As a contractor, this infuriates me. There wasn't a single care there.
This is a shitty build
This is par for the course these days… I used to “stay in my lanes” a customer asked me to put on gutters, or call a “pro”
I told them call a “pro” for anyone who does it everyday will be better than me. 😏
I felt bad when the homeowner called me to “fix” gutters.
A whole-ass (even got billboards) gutter crew put on 400ft worth of dead ass level gutters !?!
I don’t give away jobs anymore.
Fuck em’ in trying to do the “right thing” I wound up looking like an asshole because I overestimated todays “Professional”…. For the 3rd and last time.
YES!! I see by the comments they 'assume' that they didn't know what they were doing.... to me, also, it looks more like 'screw it' job.. we don't care work... I've done a TON of siding and I will tell you we are anal to a fault about lines matching up especially around corners.. we are REALLY picky... whoever built this and what people don't always understand too is that sometimes these guys are behind schedule and getting screamed at to 'hurry up'...... this also causes issues...
I am sure this was super cheap.
As a contractor, I hope your paying your employees properly. Otherwise they will keep doing the same exact thing. Good labor isn't cheap. And cheap labor isn't good. THE MORE YOU KNOW 🌈
I see someone else already mentioned them cheaping out on color matched screws. Galv screws are $10 cheaper per hundred.
Steel buildings were my gig for many years.
The sheets don't have a single stitch screw on the overlaps which is why they aren't sitting tight.
There's zero base flashing to cover the sill plate.
The biggest thing I noticed is how out of square the roof sheets are or even worse, the roof is. That's why they're stepping at the end of the sheets.
If you want any professional help by message, let me know.
You correct on all counts. I’m a retired industrial sheet metal worker and this is a fine example of incompetence. They better bring a trailer full of new sheets and flashing. Roof support steel alignment is beyond ridiculously out of line. Roof sheets are out of square and I’m willing to bet the whole building is. Once roof supports are corrected good luck getting screws in old holes to hit support. Misalignment of siding along with wrong sheet elevation for slab coverage means staring over. Don’t let them try to flash bottom sheet for coverage there and call it a day. Demand a new crew. The incompetence level of the first can not fix this. By all means get on that roof and see if peak flashing is installed correctly. It should have closures and god for bid ran straight. If it has a matching pressed cap flashing make sure it’s sealed. This type requires sheets align on both sides of rake so good luck with that. Look for striped out screws and over torque as you saw on siding. Roof sheet termination at gable ends is important. Flashing should fall beyond sheet ridge or have a butyl tape between sheet and flashing if ending on the flat of the sheet this also can be accomplished by setting a light gage channel or j-channel similar to door flashing to achieve proper elevation to match sheets ribs. Man I feel for you. The only thing right about this building is it’s on the slab. In my opinion should you chose to keep this build they should give it to you at cost with no labour fees. I’m sure the rest of the video of the installation is mind blowing. Good luck. I subscribed because I have to see how this disaster turns out.
I marvel at your ability to remain calm in the face of such a major letdown. I’m glad they are coming back to fix it, but it would have been so much better to do it right the first time. Having had to dismiss a contractor part way through a job (before he could do even more shoddy work), I feel for you.
Totally agree.
I had some contractors do jobs like this. One as arrogant as the other. Refused to take responsibility… awful
I’m a carpenter for 30 years, and I have a custom millwork and cabinet shop . I can tell you that of all the jobs I come across that have gone wrong mostly have to do with pricing, customers think they found a deal . There are no deals out there. They’re either cheating the system, no insurance, no comp , pay no taxes or the cut corners. I can tell you a million stories from tree removal to the multi million dollar jobs we work on . Contractors that are qualified and do quality work are becoming far and few between, it’s quite sad . What’s going on today is these guys work for someone for a year and now they go out on their own , they haven’t put in enough time to learn the all the tricks of that trade . Now they are teaching a new apprentice all the bad stuff they know . And the cycle continues.
You're absolutely right about people's reluctance to hire contractors for fear of something like this - or much worse. I feel like this also is directly related to why so many people have deferred maintenance...they don't want to get screwed. Really hope the company does the right thing for you, Greyum. 🙏🏽
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Wow. That really hurt me to watch. From personal experience, I don't use contractors for work anymore; been the subject of too many botched jobs. If I don't know how to do something myself, well gosh darn, I'm gonna learn it. I hope they fix that building to a point where you're satisfied. It's the least they can do. Stay strong, Graham. Love your content, from all the way up here in Canada... And so you know, you're welcome back anytime ;)
Wow….that sucks…. I had same type of building done and the 3 young guys that did mine were amazing. They wouldn’t leave till we did a walk thru and I pointed out maybe 2 small infractions.. they fixed them and I’ve been satisfied for 3 years so far.
Looks like they rounded up some day laborers at Home Depot, showed them a picture of what the end product was supposed to look like, and turned them loose to figure it out. That's a horrible job. They need to take that down and start over with new materials AND a fully trained crew supervised by someone who has actually done it before.
Day laborers definitely do the best work.
This seems to be a “we’ve been with the company for 3 months” employee 😂
Holy crap - they might as well just scrap it and do it again. You were far calmer on-camera than I would have been.
I’d pay to see your reaction!
I hope he got a payment plan because I wouldn't make another payment until they fixed this atrocity. I'd call them tell them to come repossess it.
Holy crap!!!! I’m a middle aged woman with limited skills with metal, and I’m utterly horrified. There is no way they can “fix” this. They’ve got to bring a whole new building and start over. Guaranteed it will leak the first time it rains. And I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near it when the wind blows. This is a travesty. I don’t care where you’re from on this planet, if that’s good enough for you you shouldn’t be in the trades. Sorry you’re going through this!
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Hang in there, I'm so sorry you are going through this. It is unbelievable how terrible a job they did. Stay on top of them. Can't believe how bad they are! You are such a nice guy, don't let them take advantage of you. All the best. Peace and Good Fortune and Good Health to you and your family.
Had eagle carports fail to properly build a simple single slope carport for me. The company engineered the roof angles wrong so the whole thing leaned. They had to come cut several inches off of the legs. I'm an engineer and I sent them detailed explanations of the problem, trying to help them correct their weld fixtures or drawings. They treated me like I was an idiot. I ended up redoing all the roof tin myself. I need another carport, but I've found a local company that sells kits so I plan to do it myself.
Engineers are a pain in the ass, im not surprised
Dude, I am in Virginia too. I will come down every weekend till it's done to help you fix that disaster!
That is TOO KIND! They came this weekend to fix, let’s see what they did!
The horizontal corrugation is my first clue regarding quality.
Yes I wish I had known
Yikes!! Can’t see how that gets fixed without rebuilding. Feels like a situation where any one thing could be a shake your head at but be ok with it. That many issues just starts to compound and make the whole thing worse. Good luck and hope it gets resolved
3:00 that exposed rebar is going to cause concrete cancer and from the build up of rust there no matter what you do there its going to expand and crack there most steel NEEDS to be imbedded atleast 3 inch or it'll rust expand and crack the concrete
How come the back of the shed has roof truss supports (those angled cross members that anchor the wall and truss), but the front garage door side doesn't have a single one?
I noticed that as well right away
Yes, I am responding to this two weeks later. However, I haven't seen an update video/post, so if this has already been fully corrected, please ignore this.
1) Make a detailed list and take photos of all of all the errors and shortcomings in the building.
2) Draft a letter explaining your dissatisfaction with the work and include the detailed list of errors and photos. Make a copy, keep for your records
3) Mail the letter to office via CERTIFIED MAIL.
4) Wait for the receipt from the certified mail to be returned.
5) Follow up with a phone call after the receipt is received to see when they want to come and fix the building to the correct specifications
6) If the company fails to correct the errors to your satisfaction, you now have everything you need to take them to court. At best you can get your money back and they can come take their "building" back so that you can try again with a more reputable company. At worst, you settle before court and get some money returned to put towards getting it fixed.
Also, never underestimate the benefits of a BBB claim.
After watching your channel, I would hope for the latter, put the money forward towards the next project, and fix the building yourself - you are clearly more qualified than the amateurs that came out and erected that monstrosity.
Dude that’s painful, when I had my house done, it was 2 Russian Brothers…one brother was a perfectionist, and kept ripping off the siding the other brother did, at one point I thought I was going to need to call the cops…beautiful work in the end…and we had a live stage show all day, man those 2 argued all day.
You should check the building instructions, but when they dropped that first panel, I’m 99% sure it should lot have had the tin on it at all. Every one of these I’ve ever seen when bottom to top so the higher panels overlap on top and outside of the previous one.
This is also why you walls don’t line up. If they had started from level concrete the panel widths would line up, they seem to have just cut the peak wherever and then flowed it down, also wherever.
On my building the peak is last, and you don’t even really cut it. You install it square and level and then trim it right to the roofline after it’s in place.
That sucks bro. Don’t relent on your expectations from that company. They will likely end up just offering you a discounted price while leaving the majority of the mistakes. Start thinking about if you would accept that. I’ve received refunds (partial and full) for shotty work, but I’ll personally tell you I would far rather have a high quality end product that costs more money than a low quality end product that is steeply discounted or even free.
Great advice!
I needed a 24x36 shop and researched metal buildings. It bothered me that the manufacturer was not the installer. Installation was subcontracted and the manufacturer was not responsible for assembly. Some were better than others but in the end I went with a conventional stick structure and acted as my own GC. Everything went fine no delays or issues.
I am a contractor and this is totally unacceptable,Please take legal action so they don’t do this to someone else ,it takes a special person to mess a job up that bad,Sorry this happened to you
If you only paid $20k for that size metal building, you should have known the install would be crap. You honestly got a good deal.
There should be a membrane between bottom plate and concrete, followed by a flashing to divert water AWAY from the building. Plus depending where you are, engineer spec'd hold downs to combat uplift in high wind events.
100 percent!
How many bids did you get? And did you go with the middle bid?
I’m a contractor, have been in the business for nearly 45 years, first I have to ask how did you qualify this builder, was it by word of mouth, or was this a friends recommendation?…in any case, I myself am on the extremes of perfection, never will I have any project with a fault…engineered, detailed, and firm proposals…that’s appalling….shame that the industry suffers from this, but there are lousy doctors, lawyers, and car dealers….picking a contractor should be an exercise in exploring multiple past projects…it’s a resume if you will…and on they go to do this again and again…
When I did the siding on my house, I used a laser and marked a control line all the way around. From there, I used my tape and figured out where to start and every end of siding lined up perfectly. Because all the walls were straight runs on his build, it looks as though they “eyeballed” everything.
It really is sad out there sometimes. As a DIYer I was so shocked at the terrible work people did when my parents renovated their house. So many things I could have done much better (and I’m not saying I do very good work!). But they were paying too dollar thinking they had great contractors. So sorry man!
Shouldn't there be knee braces on the front side of the building also? I'm talking about the angle brace from roof truss to wall stud..
For over a year I have researched metal and wood garages to replace a very old one. Got pricing. I really wanted a metal one. I started noticing stories just exactly as yours. Most of the metal garage makers get their from a few manufacturers. Then the companies hire who ever to erect the building.
I eventually came to the conclusion that if I build a new garage I will build a wood one myself. And I am not a builder or have the experience. Just don't want to spend the money to have bad workmanship. Sorry you are going through this. Can't believe the dropped a side , damaged it and clearly just put it up anyway.
thanks for this video man- im a small TH-camr and im having a building built as well. I just submitted the drawings to the county.
This just screams " shoddy workmanship"! I got the Same Color Scheme 30x40 - the whole process up to this point with the slab has been a nightmare. I chose the colored screws and yes it was a additional $600! Your video is going to make me monitor my building construction alot more closely for sure..
I know you haven't pointed it out but on the opposite side where the doors are there's no bracing like the back side wow
Wow…I just had a 24x40 metal building installed at my place. I spent ALOT of money on the building, dirt work, and concrete and experienced a lot of anxiety when the builders came to set it up. While it was not perfect, I did not experience what you went through. How you are able to stay so composed is amazing to me and speaks volumes about your character. I would have lost it…you are so correct with your statements about contractors…it’s hard to find good ones nowadays. I hope you get this sorted out and they do the right thing…no one deserves to spend their hard earned money for a terrible work. Good luck to you…..
I appreciate the encouragement. Looks like I’m getting it fixed this week. Fingers crossed, prayers sent….
You gotta love contractors…I hope they’ll be willing to fix these issues. Hard to believe their bar for what’s “acceptable” would be this low.
For what they charge for those building theres absolutely no reason in the world they cant use color matching screws
I've been toying with the idea of getting someone to help build some stuff for me. This is my fear (and why I haven't yet). Instead I overwork and stress myself out with too many projects. Can't win 🤷♂ haha
On a sunny day when the sun is high in the sky, walk around the inside of the building and see how many screw holes they put in the roof(and missed) and didn't fill. I'm guessing there will be more than one water leaking hole.
Oh buddy I know! Scared of this happening forever now…
Buddy of mine had a pole barn buit, and when they set the trusses, they set them on the wrong side of the mark. When we tried to close in the ceiling, about a quarter of the way across, the edge of the drywall no longer lined up with the ceiling joist. Thanks!!!
I hope there is a significant balance of that purchase to be paid after the work has been completed. The company needs to give you labor at no charge and materials at their cost. The second option would be to correct every issue with the building
When they built my shop, dude used a dimple punch and set all the screws in line before raising the panel. He was able to dimple multiple panels on the stack, so all the fasteners are equally aligned.
You hit the nail on the head. We need more TRADES PEOPLE! NOT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE! The push to send everyone to college was a BIG mistake. Right now if you are in the trades, you can make MORE money than any college graduate. It took me 6 months to get a septic company to move my septic spray heads so I could build my metal building. The first quote was $6500 and got it done $2900. That was about $1,500 profit for the septic company for one day of work!!
sadly the trades attract a lot of scumbags looking for easy money since most people don't have the know how to do the things for themselves or the ability to do it in the first place.
You cant just bring in "More"... you have to teach them.... who teaches them matters.
At this point your sills, corners and trimmers on the doors will rot in 3-5 years.
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Look on the bright side, at least you got a workshop. I had some knuckleheads pour a 30x60 foundation and they were short by as much as 1.5". The workshop people came to install it, measured the slab and said "we can't install it, it's not the correct dimensions." The concrete people came back and made a half-ass attempt to extend the slab, but they weren't driving in rebar or digging down far enough to support the walls. They got about half way through setting up forms and I haven't heard from them since. This was a year and a half ago. Now I have a useless concrete slab I paid tens of thousands for and no workshop. 🤬
Wow! This was hard to watch... Very heartbreaking. I would be so upset! definitely looks like a law suit. I hope this gets all fixed for you. I'm sorry this happened to you!
I feel your pain. I just had a 30x40 garage and 16x20 addition built and hooked up to my house. The metal roof is about to be completely removed and then reinstalled. It sucks
Any contractor performing shabby work should be outted and disclosed by name and let their reputation precede them. It helps protect future consumers.
Wood barn builder, to fix this looks like taking it apart enough to square the frame of the building, and then having competent people replace all the metal, at least competent enough to use a reference line for their trim so everything runs level, or a simple string line so the roof panels go on straight. If you DIY, highly recommend picking up a pair of red and green offset aviation snips from Midwest, it'll make all your trim cuts look cleaner, plus a hand for hiding those tabs they left sticking out all over inside the hem in the trim.
That is absolutely horrendous! There is no fixing this. It requires a complete do over. There is no pride in workmanship. No skill. No professionalism. Please do not compromise! It needs to be done over again. If they tinker with fixing it, you’ll never be happy. It’ll bother you forever. It’s such a horrible feeling when you compromise on something like this, so don’t do it.
Ugh. My building is being installed next week and I'm terrified. Best wishes getting yours corrected properly.
I really have no idea how to pick a contractor. Angie's list (now Angie) seemed like a great idea when it came out but it's just another paid service (I worked for a company that paid to be listed and positively reviewed). The cheap contractor that did a terrible job renovating my mother's laundry room now builds million dollar houses with the same poor quality workmanship. When I got roofing quotes last year one of the middle-of-the-road quotes came from a contractor that quoted garbage shingles and when I called them out they just said I could choose other shingles. They didn't even attempt to defend their product. I just don't know how I'm going to find someone to trust.
Thank you for sharing this. I am a master plumber and stay really booked up with work, so I was considering subcontracting out my new shop build (I have leased for years). I think I’ll stick with versatube and do it myself now. I hope the building still serves you well regardless of the issues.
That is horrific. They were clearly inexperienced and didn’t have enough qualified people to help them. 1 they should always have a safety when lifting any wall. 2 just because someone is a “contractor” even if they are local does not mean they know what they are doing. 3 make sure to go check out other builds most people have past build they will show as well and some allow you to check them out in person. Make sure it is fixed 1 but it is payed on your terms not theirs. That should be an automatic. They shouldn’t have an argument for any reason to get their full pay
It also isn’t anchored properly! Make sure you have them fix that as well!
Sad to see this is so rampant. We had an issue with ours as well. Although yours is worse. Ours came back and fixed it. If you can, get them to color match the fasteners when they redo it. It looks much cleaner and you will get your rubber washers refreshed too. Also, they should have added rat guard at the bottom. It’s a flashing that goes around and keeps water that drips down the sides of the metal from going in the shop. Also keeps critters out.
And I know you know this. They should have chalk lined the studs. Thankfully they did that for ours so at least the screws are straight and not missed. I hope to heaven yours is fixed…it’s not right.
This is why I build everything myself, so I only have myself to blame when the work is crap 😂
Yeah this is a huge project though
they placed first panel few degrees rotated(not perpendicular to the wall)so when you lay on other panel you then notice the roof skirt starts to narrow as you lay more and more panels. so they pushed panel down a bit and yet continued all the way :D
Apparently they didn't have a string line, tape measure or level. I am going to order a building soon, I will wait until the follow up now. Also, when mine come I will watch every single thing they do. This video made me sick to my stomach.
This such a good example of just poor craftsmanship… I guarantee they don’t take pride in their work
WOW! That is just terrible, I wouldn't allow them back on site unless it was to remove the shed completely and replace it with a builder who actually knows what they are doing. You're doing well not to rip someones head off.
Are the sides supposed to be run horizontal like that? It seems like it won’t ‘flow’ with any rainfall.
I've been pricing up metal carports myself and the horizontal orientation of the sides is standard. They can make a longer run without cutting sheets. Vertical is available as an option at extra cost because more cuts and fasteners are involved. Worth it if you ask me; vertical just looks better.
Somewhere out there Kyle from RR buildings just shed a tear.
whats a string line
So sorry for the horrible craftmanship. I hope you get it corrected to your satisfaction. Hang in there!
I am a scientist and, as someone who has never built or rebuilt anything larger than a human joint in my life, consider myself a semi-professional
amateur.
This is messed up. I’m glad you’re calling it out and pointing these errors out so we can all learn.
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What a shitty job - they need to buy a new building and have it deliveried then refund your build fee so you can find someone else to install it.
If they couldn't install it right the first time. Do you really trust them to come back a second time.
I'd probably ask for like 75% back and fix it myself.
You can remove those panels and reinstall them over a weekend.
Seal the bottom plate along the tin/pad and all the missed holes with butyl.
Add some more truss bracing that's missing. Trim the roof. Add a couple new pieces of flashing.
Dude. I’m sorry this happened. This is straight up shotty workmanship.
All the errors and mistakes aside, I’m quite certain that those metal panels are supposed be installed with the ribs running vertically and not horizontally.
I think she’s gotta basically be torn down
Much love man
This is a style where the panels go sideways. It’s common around here. I think it makes it slightly less expensive as well.
I see alot of problems from the roof all the way to the slab actually after framing the first piece of trim before any panels are installed would have been the rat seal to keep moisture and critters from coming in at the slab , the screws missing the studs well that's just straight from stupidity and being lazy a simple level and marker will insure never missing the stud and all "anchors" screws will be straight as for the panels not squaring up on the roof that means the building is outa square from the start, I do this 5 days a week just to pay for the finer things in life like electricity, cable tv,, groceries and whatnot, if I tryed to pass off my work like these guys I'm positive I'd go hungry, don't know what you paid for this project and it don't matter, you did not get what you paid for. If it was me the only solution for the contractor to make it right is to take it down and start over and use another company for the new building if the first contractor has a issue with it tell him you will make him famous with your video of the very first wall they tryed to pass off as quality workmanship 🤦♂️
I've put together, largely by myself, a few of those small metal sheds (Arrow). By no means are these as complicated as what you have here, but they are similar if not for the scale of them, but in that they made me to never, ever deal with metals buildings anymore. You video here just reinforced that decision.
That is way too many mistakes for one building… I used Big Buildings Direct here in Tampa Florida, and had a great experience with them. The team that came out did all of install work did all of the things you’re mentioning all the simple things to avoid these mistakes… They better make it right
Big buildings direct flat out stole $7k from me.
They swore up and down they could anchor it direct to ground. County requires the installer to pull the permit and be licensed for whole job to do that.
‘We don’t apply for permits’. Ok, we’ll then you don’t install ground anchors do you?
And you know what their response was? To send me an invoice for the second deposit!
When we put our building up me and my wife did it ourselves because of these type of problems.
It sucks to have to say this but you literally have to shadow the builders and get up at 7 AM and watch all of their work. If you don't you're gonna run into this problem. Otherwise you might as well just build it yourself that's how bad labor is these days
Your are hiring the wrong people, can you not do a simple check about the people you are hiring to do a building? How long have they been in business? Can they provide pictures of stuff related to your project with contacts you can reach? Can you not speak with former customers? If you can't, then don't use this company. I am lucky to work with the same company that has the highest name possible in our area. Won't be the cheapest but everything holds a 25 year warranty. And we would never install tin on a wall horizontal. That is a carport, not a building. Maybe they sold him a pipe dream idk. But this stuff doesn't happen if you actually do research about the crew doing your building.
@@Joseph-ny5rr " can you not do a simple check about the people you are hiring to do a building?" Yah maybe in the past. These days you have to do all the vetting you described above and you really should be there to watch what's going on. If you think you can be in another city or state or just let them off on their own, then you don't realize how bad service in America has gotten. It's just a sad truth of where we are at.
Maybe I am lucky working behind a contractor that doesn't have to deal with customers. Our contractors would never put us in this position. I don't know who is wrong, did he not know this is a carport? We don't have to worry about that. We get brought in to do good work. We would never touch a job like this just because the tin is installed horizontal. We have so much work just because our contractors won't use anyone else. Literally watched someone wait 14 months with a building on the ground refuse to move forward until we could come work. That is when you know you do good work. Just use references people!
@@77Avadon77 I agree with what you are saying! Definitely watch over work. Definitely if it your money, Definitely check in on it. But more importantly hire the right people.
@@Joseph-ny5rr Definitely the one important thing that I've missed in the past and I would never make the mistake on now is to not go visit and walk through their completed projects because that will tell you a lot about what you're going to get
Dude!! That is absolutely unacceptable! I would be livid! I hope they make it all good for you. I would’ve been embarrassed to walk away from that job! Keep your head up bro!
My buddies and I cried with you. What a bummer man! About to have 15 tripods setup to catch the "correction"!
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I used to put up metal buildings, I m certainly not an expert, but I have never put the corrugated sheets horizontal.
That is terrible! I hope you have not paid them yet. If you cannot get them back on the job to fix it, contact your municipality at the licensing office to go after their license if they have one
Caleb--Absolutely! Been there/done that! (the below is directed at Graham):
For heaven's sake, do NOT let them walk away until you are 100% satisfied with that building! I have to assume that since you're dealing in many thousands of dollars, they must have someone holding a license. Go after that person and their license.
Please do NOT let them walk away!! You will be doing a great service for the people who might use them down the road. Like everyone else here, I am so sorry that this happened to you. I hope for the best for you!
Dang, I just had a steel sided pole building put up and they snapped a chalk line to be sure all the screws lined up. Mitered all the trim corners, and in general did a super job. I certainly got a good contractor. 😊
Lord has blessed you dearly haha
I don’t even know what to say other than WOW 😮, looks like a first timer did this, and the sad part is nobody has any pride in their work anymore! Sorry your going through this! Hopefully they will come back and make it right
This is sad. I feel you and this is clearly a reason to DIY. Good workmanship is hard to find. I wish you luck with getting this sorted.
Sometimes is better to deal with black bears rather than people.
Hats off to you in keeping your cool. I can not honestly say i would be taking it that well. Probably blow my top. I've been in construction for almost 40 years, and the last decade, stuff like this is becoming common. Smh Good luck on getting them to fix their disrespect for the customer and themselves.
M'lord! That is some crapsmanship.
tekniderm--I have been in the building trades for 57 years, and I had never before heard that word used. I LOVE it!! Thanks!
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Can someone explain why they started putting the tin horizontally instead of vertically? Our church had a garage built for our van's and it's the same way. Does it take less material?
Because it’s quite a bit cheaper. If you run it vertical , you have to space the studs closer together, (so more studs) and you also have to be accurate putting them up vertically and plumb as well as hit the mark lining up the panels. Which these guys coulda never done lol.
All the sheeting needs to come down including the roof, the purlins reset and the use of a tape measure to get correct alignment of the metal sheets. Totally shoddy workmanship and as a semi professional amateur you know what you are talking about and this is not what you paid for.
At least the foundation looks solid and well poured. I don't know what the rules are for how far apart the anchors need to be, but I'd also question if they even put in enough anchors. I'm no expert, but shouldn't there be a gasket between the concrete and the metal frame? Otherwise you will get water penetration. And lastly why is the center of the roof not on the center of the building? That slant is way off. Granted this is likely North Carolina and they don't get a lot of snow, but when you get it, it is not sliding off that roof on the back due to the low angle. And there doesn't seem to be ice breakers on the sheet metal roof to break up ice and snow when the ice and snow does slide off the roof.
Oh Graham! What an awful disappointment. And, it’s not like it’s a small project. That shed is huge and those ‘so called’ builders have a major job ahead of them to correct their shocking work. I hope and prey they do right by you. We have a description for those type of people here in Australia: “bloody bastards!”.
Sending you a big hug my friend. You have a stressful journey ahead of you. 😉🦘🇦🇺🌺🌴
Thank you friend!
In my experience with contractors, having both hired them and worked for them, it’s bad. Like really bad. My first job doing welding and maintenance work for heavy industry, they sent me out to all manner of job sites with absolutely no training. I had to teach myself how to drive forklifts and boom lifts on site, using the customer’s equipment, inside the customers facility. If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know, I don’t know what will. No one else took pride in their work, and I mean no one. I remember my coworkers constantly laughing at me when I would volunteer myself for the tough jobs, because they just couldn’t understand that I enjoy building and fixing things and I wanted to learn. One time I got to chatting with one of the facilities managers at a job, and found out they were being charged $160 bucks per head per hour. At the time I was making $23. I know the company has to make money, but that is outrageous at best. Contractors are an awesome and entirely necessary industry, with some extremely sad practices.
Good grief, Graeme. It’s not fair you just can’t catch a break. Well done for keeping your cool, though certainly an emotional episode. Wish we had skills and a trust fund to help. We’re paycheck to paycheck and inept. Also, we’re not all that good looking. Despite being useless to you, we’re cheering you on in SW VA. Keeping on being cool and beautiful. ✌🏻 to you and yours.
We had a 18 by 24 by 12 carport built on our lake lot this year. I stayed down there while they were there. I did not have my ground absolutely level and they had to do some things to make sure they kept the building level. Now I need to go down and see how many screws they missed. I know they sure left a lot of screws in my rock that could puncture my motorhome tires. And they were 12 hours late from the time that was promised of their arrival. It was supposed to be a 4 hour build but took 2 days or 12 hours in 2 different days.
Yea it’s a real shame. Starts from the top. They need to put together realistic expectations and better crews. If they did, they’d actually make more money, the crew that is. So sad. So so so sad.
The documentary "Idiocracy" is coming to fruition. I've been in construction for 40 years and I rarely see anyone under the age of 40 on job sites anymore. If so, this is the type of work you see from them because they're not interested in learning all the skills needed to be a craftsman because they don't plan on doing it long-term.
to be fair, theres a bunch of sht teachers in the biz with condescending attitudes
You’re 100% right about the build quality. Besides the look, the misplaced panels may lead to wind and water damage. Plus, the building is below grade in the back. Think about some drainage solutions in case water settles there since the slab is all set.
Oh my goodness Dr Woodness! Wait… you’re not a model?! But seriously, they should be embarrassed. At least you can go have fun with your awesome trailer and 50 acres of black bears. Hopefully you will be able to give us a positive update soon. Hang in there!
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I did a versatube building myself it took me about 80 hrs to build 25x36 turned out perfectly except for 9 misses on my walls and roof 😅 with a Lazer string line and chalk I feel your pain my friend!!! Good luck with that project those metal panels are crazy expensive!!! There no way they are going to replace them and eat that cost check your contract 😒!!! When you replace your metal panels have them place vertically with hat channel
They obviously have the skills ! But they just need better quality control! Very sad! But it all can be fixed! I'll take Trump's economy over Bush Clinton's Obama Biden Klan all put together!
Senor tu loco grande. 😮😂
Thanks for sharing. I’m about to order a building and this brought to light a lot of the questions I need to ask the salesperson along with the need to read the fine print.
Man, I am in the exact same situation... Mine is my yard, picked a local landscape architect/builder. Got a nice design, checked their previous work and reviews, they are licensed etc... anyway, should have taken 8 weeks (per contract) we are a year later, half done, they ran out of money and have abandoned the job. We are out $120k, all the work they did is crap. But they were reasonable, and wanted to keep fixing the issues we were finding... and we let them... and then they walked. I feel for you.
I like the white screws used through the grey panels and black trim. Over the years , I have come to trust the hair on the back of my neck. Fire the incompetent contractor much earlier in the process. Could you have them remove the building , slab and all, and start over with another plan?