I have been a foreman or superintendent in the dirt, demo, and underground industry for nearly 30 years and am very familiar with construction contracts. Each one of these points are spot on and should be followed weather you are getting a 10x10 storage shed or a 100x500 commercial facility. A couple other points, I dont care if you live on a sandy beach or a mountain top, check the contract for a rock clause. If the site prep contractor encounters a rock it could get very expensive on you. Make sure a payout schedule, or "draw" is clearly spelled out in the contract, with final payment due upon completion AND satisfaction. It's YOUR money and you should be satisfied before final payment, don't fall for the "We will fix it under warranty" claim. By the same token, don't be a nitpicking butthead about things either, you have to find a balance point, especially if you have a quality contractor. Last, if you have a question, ASK your contractor before you sign, no matter how trivial it may seem. You will be much more satisfied and your contractor will be more than happy to clarify if they are worth their salt. Follow these tips and both you and your contractor will be happy and the process will go much smoother.
Talk to an independent adjuster. Who has experience in your area for your type of project. The most common scam is water flood, hail, wind tornado. Discuss bonding cost. Had a contractor commit suicide. Bank completed project.
This is the second of your videos I've watched, and both have given me the impression that you're a very honest man who's running a very honest company. If I were still living in AZ, I'd definitely give you a call. THanks for sharing all this useful info!!
I wish I found this video about 5 months ago. Every single point is spot on. I missed the first piece of advice and paid dearly for it. I wasn't in a hurry. I don't know what I was thinking, but I was talked into buying before I had even considered what it was I was purchasing. I would add one piece of advice, find a builder that is in your local area. If you have trouble, and you will, then you aren't dealing with someone 5 states away who really doesn't care anymore. I learned several lessons that I didn't need to learn if I had just followed these five pieces of advice.
I purchased a building from Chet at Sentry builders about 4 years ago. They did everything from start to finish. It was one of the very few construction projects I’ve ever been involved with that went as planned and didn’t have any additional expenses. I would use them again if I ever had the need for another building. This is not a paid advertisement just a positive comment from a happy customer. Thanks Chet!
Thanks for your positive feedback @J H, we are always grateful to hear from our customers. We appreciate you taking the time to write this comment and of course would love to help you out again down the road if the need arises. Best of health and happiness to you and yours.
thanks for the honesty info, i worked masonry for 4 years and oil field for the past 6. i want to build a steal building shop/house. honesty is a hard commodity these days. thanks for the tips before i build. wish more builders were this honest
anybody who tells you this information is not looking to rip you off. only to be a happy customer and tell others or come back and buy something else, Thank You for the info I know i"ll need it.
Thanks Kevin for the affirmation. Our goal with these videos is to help inform anyone looking to purchase a steel building, whether they become our customers or not.
Thanks for the info. Great video, I wish you were in Iowa, I need to put up a building like this. Looks real solid building and quality work on your part. God bless you.
This is absolutely spot-on advice! Thanks! I didn't know any of this before I ordered my 30x66 steel building with 3 bays and a stable but luckily I have a master builder friend who coached me with these very same tips and set up the building. The building outfit wanted to sell me their doors but I went with a local overhead door company and got insulated doors with top lights, which I love. thanks again for the vid. sam
We're excited to hear that your project worked out so well for you @Sam Stroup, and good for your friend to help you along in the process. Thanks for watching and contributing.
I came to this video because I am looking into putting up a steel building on some property I may be buying in Arizona, boy am I glad I did, very wise advice given here.
Glad you found the video useful @James Battles. We hope everything works out well for you in your move and if you need any help on your project we would love the opportunity to work with you if you desire. Please see our website for contact information www.Sentry-Steel.com. If you're not already familiar with Arizona we're sure you'll love it here. Thanks for watching and commenting.
We're glad you found it useful @BlueBar 55, we hope your move goes well. If you decide to invest in a steel building, we would love to have the opportunity to help you build it, please see our website if you'd like to contact us, www.Sentry-Steel.com
Thanks for this interesting and helpful video. As of this writing, there are 433,590 views, resulting in 1,800 likes. Also there are 102 "dislikes," most of which were likely provided by steel-building salesmen.
@@dwaynecarter9219 Well, then, You Sir, cannot read, and no amount of "Numbers" mentioned, would have helped you, because you wouldn't have understood them anyway. So, pay attention to video "Titles", and you might actually get what you were looking for. This is what we're talking about, when we say "Dumb-Shits who do not pay attention". That is YOU, Sir. Why would you have expected numbers to have been mentioned? Thank god that you took the time write down all of the reasons as to why a person should assume that you are stupid.
I really wish I would have watched this before buying my steel building this year. You are so right to be careful of what the sales people try to reel you into. Too late for me now, It's finally almost finished. Sales people lie.
i am actually talking with them on one and they had a "special deal for me" if I acted before end of July. I didnt bite but did want to give them my plans so they can give me info. lol
Very helpful, thank you! I'm looking to build a smallish (18x20ish) ADU/guest cottage/workshop in my back yard here in TX, and have just started considering steel (I was planning CMU/masonry, because we want it to act as a storm shelter as well). After one day of research I've already seen a few of these tactics! This is great info to have!
@@sentrybuilders5969 Thanks! I'm very excited! I'm actually looking into Quonsets at the moment--I think the arch roof looks cool and will give me the space and the cozy interior feeling I'm after. Quonset homes/ADUs are big business, it seems. I'd be very interested in seeing a similar video from you about those (if there are different factors to be aware of, and of course if you want to do one). Sure wish you guys were in my area. Thank you again, and thanks for the reply! I've been loosely planning this project for three years now, and in that time have contacted dozens and dozens of builders, design/build firms, concrete companies, building material suppliers, lumber yards, CMU manufacturers and distributers, foundation companies, engineers. steel building companies, steel building materials companies...you name it, I've emailed at least five or six of them each. Out of those dozens of emails I got *three* replies, and every one was to tell me they don't deal with the general public (okay, one design/build firm--a fourth reply--was willing to talk to me...they needed $3k just to pick up their pencil). It's very depressing and discouraging, so even just to be acknowledged means a lot.
I had a steel building Installed on my residential property. I hired a contractor that took care of everything. He kept me out of trouble with the County building department - 600 sq. ft maximum on my property! The building was finished quickly and is really nice.
Great tips, a real builder,I also find it helpful to create maybe 10 draws on a job. And make all the draws subject to goals, you get to this point, you get a check, right down the line to finish. Am a carpenter by trade, but like the size and price of those steel buildings. Built a 30 X 60 in Brunswick Georgia.
We're glad you found the video enjoyable and useful @MaucTopa 1337. Our videography skills leave something to be desired, but we try to provide the information people are looking for none-the-less.
I just bought a building today.. I've shopped for years.. You have great information, and I'm glad that I took my time.. I'm very excited to get this big project going.. I'm doing a restroom, shower and utility sink !! Thanks great video !!
Very useful information, Thanks for the heads up. Like anything you have to maneuver around just to get a fair respectable deal. These points you pointed out help out alot.
You're very welcome @elcasiquegrande, we're glad we could be of help to you. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best of luck on any future steel building projects.
Good advice from a pro! Thanks. Rant Follows: Building codes were created to make construction safer (admission: I'm a licensed Professional Engineer [in TX]). Anyone on your property now or in future could be hurt or killed if construction is sloppy. Yes it's a pain. Yes it's more expensive. I hate to shell out for a 'to code'...oh...water heater instead of getting the cheapest price. Fact: Before 1940 50% of electricians died by electrocution after The Code was introduced very few accidents to workers or owners. Thanks, everybody, for putting up with the rant! Just my $0.02 ($0.01 inflation adjusted).
I agree with you. Without codes shady contractors would be cutting even more corners than they do today. Building codes and their enforcement are a good thing.
Don't try to play the safety card on me. It is my property and my risk to take not the governments. I can go to Walmart and buy enough alcohol to kill myself 5 times over for 100 bucks but I can't choose how I want to build my footers or how airtight I want my house? I would agree that a random house buyer should know how his house was constructed and know it is safe to live in, but if I am building something for my own personal use then the government should have no part in it. Just make it the law that any rouge construction must be taken down prior to selling or the buyer must be notified that it is not built to any codes. Then it becomes a deal between two consenting adults and once again the government needs to stay out. In the good old days we had revolutions for a lot less than the government is doing now... I can buy a car for the price of the inspections/permits alone on houses in some areas.
Plot layouts and drainage concerns are real problems if your 5000 square foot building with it's massive watershed floods out a couple neighbor's basements every time you get an inch of rain in an hour.
Glad we could be of help Chris Goodman, thanks for watching and commenting. Good luck on your project, and if you're in the state of Arizona we'd love to earn your business.
Thanks Chet, All good points to address before contracting for a Steal Bldg. I would say the most important is Common Sense is Number 1 and rare trait today to find. You Sir obviously don't lack that quality. Which you operated in South Central Texas. Have a Blessed Day.
Not only that. My friend's friend paid at least half the cost up front for a built in pool. They never heard from the contractor again. I had a house built, but paid in installments along the way. The contractor still left the house 90 percent unfinished and claimed he was out of money despite receiving 100 percent by then. He also stole materials from me. In the end, he lost his contractor's license and his marriage because of his actions.
@@burtburt1755 Hello, the building is custom designed with a recessed porch on one corner. It has 14 ft walls went with a 2:12 roof pitch. We are very pleased with it.
Good tips! Considering this video is 8 years old, some variables have changed in regard to down payments. The volatility of steel prices has a direct affect on overall pricing of structures, when steel prices went up (a lot!) this last year, some customers paid a set amount for their deposit, locked there price in, and once production began the price of their structure went up immensely causing the company to either lose money on the deal or break even. When a 50% deposit is required it is not because anyone is trying to just get a quick sale (at least the honest sales reps) but it is because we want them to get their building at todays steel pricing. If a company orders steel today and a month later steel goes up 10%, they are getting the steel that was priced accordingly. If your dealing with a decent company the sales rep will not put you on the back burner once they get your deposit, they should be working with you throughout the entire process. Again this is an informative video with great tips but the economy has certainly changed since then.
Thanks Sentry - I'm looking around internet and you are first company that seems to have content and not marketing. Internet search just seems to come up with sales and no content.
You are very welcome @Eric Coulson, we are glad to be of some help. We try to differentiate ourselves from much of the competition out there in the steel building industry, so we are grateful for your feedback. Our own experience from the very beginning of our company taught us some of the negative aspects of the industry, especially from the standpoint of "small" individuals like yourself, or us back in the day, and the sales side of the industry tends to be the worst part of the experience for most people. We attempt to eliminate those frustrations as much as possible. If you intend to build in the state of Arizona we would love to work with you, if you are building elsewhere we wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.
I love these buildings. The one in the video is much simpler than what would be needed where there is snow and rain loads. A local steel building's roof collapsed from rain load! Torrential downpours could not be shed fast enough.
You are absolutely right Joe A, and thanks for watching and commenting. Each geographical area has it's own code requirements, and you can find out what these are at your local building office. A mistake too often made by unaware homeowners when talking to a 'sly' salesman is not having the building designed to code for their area. This is important information to research and have on hand anytime you're ordering a building, do not make the mistake of assuming the company will have all the details right, too often they are more concerned with making the sell rather than getting you what you need. Going with a reputable contractor that will handle the permitting of the project for you can save a lot of trouble, then they will make sure everything is correct in the design of the building.
In Texas we bought 5 to 10 acre tracks and built houses and put up a 30x50 all steel buildings , most looked like the one in the video. We did put chicken wire under the vinyl insulation to keep it from sagging. Red iron beams the only way to go. Oh yea and watch out for them "special" deals.
Nice building. Much better than the one I bought. I was able to install a 30 x 36 ft metal building with 15-foot peak 15-foot-wide opening from a kit. The company that sold it to me is now out of business. My son, my granddaughter and I did most of the work. We had help from neighbors. Luckily for me I have a neighbor not more than 1/2 mile from my house who sold the 2 x 6 x 12 lumber that the kit called for, came down and unloaded the flatbed with his forklift when the metal was delivered and another neighbor with a boom on a truck put up the girders after they were bolted together. I was able to borrow a chop saw to cut the metal sheets to size and another friend who owned an overhead door company loaned scaffolding to us. We now have a lift installed to work on vehicles. My only screw up was not getting the concrete floor higher off the ground so the pad angled down so that rain couldn't come into the building. I had to install a sump pump to pump the water far enough away from the building so it can't come in. Forgot to add that I didn't have any problem with the planning department. We drew it up and got it approved. We are zoned agricultural so that probably helped.
I put up an ag exempt 5000 sq.ft. unit back in 2000. By 2003 there were stormwater retaining laws in place, and that would have killed my project by forcing me to provide a retaining pond to counter the potential runoff. On a side note- I weld in my building, and I just used steel exterior sheeting to cover and protect the insulation inside the building. When ordering a planned building, make sure you have a good builder lined up as well.
I am in the market for a steel building. I've seen the "deals" and wondered if it's really a deal. Thanks for posting this video - I will certainly be more aware of what to look for in the contract.
Great info! I just had an experience with a steel building sales guy yesterday just like you mentioned. I was looking for a building in AZ so I looked on line to find someone. He wanted $6k down on a building that just happened to be one someone changed their mind on and wants to close the deal before the building was gone. I told him that the place is still in escrow and I’m just looking for a ballpark figure and I felt like I was in a used car lot. I told him I was going to pass and they have been calling all day long so that I can’t even answer the phone.
Absolutely no reason for a thumbs down on this. Thanks for taking the time to share. I am in need of a steel building. 30x36 in unincorporated Lexington township in Johnson county kansas. Needing a professional builder that understands the codes, as I want to customize it a bit and understand how high I can have the roof to see if i can have a second floor partially. The steel barn in this video is what I am after as far as materials go. Looking for suggestions on a builder in my area. Thank you
We are glad to hear the video was helpful @pttazwilliams, we're builders, not videographers, so hopefully what our videos lack in finesse is made up for by sound advice. We are not familiar with any specific builders in your area, but we can recommend some building providers that might be able to help you get the building you want and connect you with a local erector. MBCI has locations throughout the US, Rapidset Metal Buildings is located in Colorado but they ship all over, and Mueller Inc isn't too far from where you are at either. We have worked with and purchased from all of these suppliers and have had a good experience in working with them, they might be able to help you find an experienced local builder as well. In order to determine what is allowed on your property, a trip into your local county building authority is going to be your best bet. While you're there go over all the aspects of what you want to do and try and get all the details of what is allowed, height, setbacks, current adopted building code, local amendments to that building code if any, etc. Some jurisdictions are more friendly and helpful than others, so if your's happens to be a less friendly one, don't forget, or let them forget, that you, your taxes, and your permit fees pay for their job and as "public servants" they are there to help you, not patronize you. It's unfortunate but sometimes you have to be very persistent. Best of luck on your future project, thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the info, especially #5. I know better than to pay too much up front. But I also know there are jerk customers out there who will order something, then try to cancel after the product has been manufactured if they didn't put down a reasonable deposit. 25% seemed a bit low to me, so I am glad to hear a pro say it.
Don't be afraid to keep looking for another contractor if they demand too much up front @Fourester ofthetrees. On nearly all of our contracts, we collect 15% of the contract at signing, not even 25%. That 15% is enough to cover the majority of our office work leading up to permitting and planning, as well as the deposit we have to pay to order steel. Technically, if someone were to back out when it was time to deliver the building, and refused to pay, then we would be out more than they paid initially, but we choose to take that risk to make sure that our clients know we are always motivated to do the work because we don't get paid until we complete whatever stage of the project is next. Some contractors cannot afford to take that risk and so they collect more initially and throughout the project to cover their cost, and that is fine, but we run our business such that the rare occurrence of someone backing out won't hurt us too bad. You may not find someone that does it just as we do, but the principal of the matter is what is most important to keep in mind; if a contractor has already been paid for work he hasn't completed yet, it'll be much more difficult to get the work done if you happen to hire a less-than-honorable contractor. Even less desirable workers will get things done more quickly, and do better, if they know their paycheck depends on it. Thanks for watching and adding to the conversation.
Great video. I am am on the fence about either having a 14'x60' RV garage installed, which is what will fit on my lot, or if I should just move to a larger lot and have a larger shop built. Not sure if adding an RV garage will add to my existing property value enough to pay for itself, or if I should just keep my property as is and save my money for a larger shop, if I won't get enough back from selling my property.
Find a reputable RE Broker in your area and ask their opinion about the increase in value. Be clear its for info. I wouldn't mention the option of purchasing a different lot until you had the number.
Use your common sense about specials is spot on.Its up to you to negotiate,do your do diligence,and price check before commiting.Call your building inspector first with all relevant questions,he really is the yes or no contact person.DON'T BE AFRAID TO NEGOTIATE PRICE ON THESE KITS,there trying to make a sale,your trying to get the best price,MOST companies will negotiate,OR there competition will.If your happy with the price,after doing your homework,thats all that matters,GET IT ON PAPER.Dont worry about "specials"or other crap,negotiate hard and get the best quality and price you can get.I bought the kit,and will build it myself,at my pace with my quality of build to code.
Thanks for your comments @moultonditcher, we appreciate you personal experience & feedback. Making sure you know the building code for your area is right on, do not rely on what the building company has on their spreadsheets. In almost all situations, we have to modify part of the design criteria from what the table shows, to what is true to any given area. Make a trip to your building department, if you can right now, and speak to someone face to face. Get a list of all the different criteria your potential building supplier is going to ask for prior to going, if possible.
Some really good points to follow. I had a bunch of things I wanted to do but once I visited the city building permit office I had to start over from scratch.
It is usually best early in the project to go talk to your local building authority, as you now know @cuzz63. We get more calls than we would like from owner builders that get stuck with a building they cannot erect because they, or usually the company that pressure sold them the building, don't do sufficient research. If you know what your building official requires before you start the process, or at least before the building design is finalized, you shouldn't have any problems obtaining a permit for your project. One extra tip, when you do go into the building offices, get the names of every person you speak to that gives you information, and make sure you take thorough notes.
@@sentrybuilders5969 yea, I got lucky that I hadnt done anything but mark my yard where I was wanting the building. I didnt even think I needed a permit based on the info I got from the building salesman.
@@cuzz63 We are glad to hear that you didn't get stuck with something you couldn't build. Every company has to sell the product or service they offer, but when the sale becomes more important than meeting the customer's needs, it really is unfortunate. Luckily, sooner or later, companies that run that way get sniffed out and run out. Best of luck with your project.
@@sentrybuilders5969 still learning, they put my building up and since there was an issue I refused to pay them until they fix it. A few days later it rained and water come under the walls of the building. I called and told them...I still havent paid them and its been almost a month. you would think they would want their money.
@@sentrybuilders5969 The building is not as wide as the slab and when it rains water runs under the bottom metal frame. The building company is giving me crap about sealing the bottom and I may have to do it myself. What do you recommend as far as products or tips?
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I have been a foreman or superintendent in the dirt, demo, and underground industry for nearly 30 years and am very familiar with construction contracts. Each one of these points are spot on and should be followed weather you are getting a 10x10 storage shed or a 100x500 commercial facility. A couple other points, I dont care if you live on a sandy beach or a mountain top, check the contract for a rock clause. If the site prep contractor encounters a rock it could get very expensive on you. Make sure a payout schedule, or "draw" is clearly spelled out in the contract, with final payment due upon completion AND satisfaction. It's YOUR money and you should be satisfied before final payment, don't fall for the "We will fix it under warranty" claim. By the same token, don't be a nitpicking butthead about things either, you have to find a balance point, especially if you have a quality contractor. Last, if you have a question, ASK your contractor before you sign, no matter how trivial it may seem. You will be much more satisfied and your contractor will be more than happy to clarify if they are worth their salt. Follow these tips and both you and your contractor will be happy and the process will go much smoother.
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That was good advice, thanks for posting.
Talk to an independent adjuster. Who has experience in your area for your type of project. The most common scam is water flood, hail, wind tornado. Discuss bonding cost. Had a contractor commit suicide. Bank completed project.
Get all critical points in writing in the contract
Should be a " stump" clause too.
@@treeguyable What's a stump clause?
This is the second of your videos I've watched, and both have given me the impression that you're a very honest man who's running a very honest company. If I were still living in AZ, I'd definitely give you a call. THanks for sharing all this useful info!!
I wish I found this video about 5 months ago. Every single point is spot on. I missed the first piece of advice and paid dearly for it. I wasn't in a hurry. I don't know what I was thinking, but I was talked into buying before I had even considered what it was I was purchasing. I would add one piece of advice, find a builder that is in your local area. If you have trouble, and you will, then you aren't dealing with someone 5 states away who really doesn't care anymore. I learned several lessons that I didn't need to learn if I had just followed these five pieces of advice.
I purchased a building from Chet at Sentry builders about 4 years ago. They did everything from start to finish. It was one of the very few construction projects I’ve ever been involved with that went as planned and didn’t have any additional expenses. I would use them again if I ever had the need for another building. This is not a paid advertisement just a positive comment from a happy customer. Thanks Chet!
Thanks for your positive feedback @J H, we are always grateful to hear from our customers. We appreciate you taking the time to write this comment and of course would love to help you out again down the road if the need arises. Best of health and happiness to you and yours.
thanks for the honesty info, i worked masonry for 4 years and oil field for the past 6. i want to build a steal building shop/house. honesty is a hard commodity these days. thanks for the tips before i build. wish more builders were this honest
anybody who tells you this information is not looking to rip you off. only to be a happy customer and tell others or come back and buy something else,
Thank You for the info I know i"ll need it.
Thanks Kevin for the affirmation. Our goal with these videos is to help inform anyone looking to purchase a steel building, whether they become our customers or not.
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Thanks for the info. Great video, I wish you were in Iowa, I need to put up a building like this. Looks real solid building and quality work on your part.
God bless you.
This is absolutely spot-on advice! Thanks! I didn't know any of this before I ordered my 30x66 steel building with 3 bays and a stable but luckily I have a master builder friend who coached me with these very same tips and set up the building. The building outfit wanted to sell me their doors but I went with a local overhead door company and got insulated doors with top lights, which I love. thanks again for the vid. sam
We're excited to hear that your project worked out so well for you @Sam Stroup, and good for your friend to help you along in the process. Thanks for watching and contributing.
Very informative video. Thank you for taking the time to share your insights and help the rest of us.
I came to this video because I am looking into putting up a steel building on some property I may be buying in Arizona, boy am I glad I did, very wise advice given here.
Glad you found the video useful @James Battles. We hope everything works out well for you in your move and if you need any help on your project we would love the opportunity to work with you if you desire. Please see our website for contact information www.Sentry-Steel.com. If you're not already familiar with Arizona we're sure you'll love it here. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great Information Thanks.... I'm moving to Arizona near the end of the year and I'm researching metal building and this video helped alot.👍
We're glad you found it useful @BlueBar 55, we hope your move goes well. If you decide to invest in a steel building, we would love to have the opportunity to help you build it, please see our website if you'd like to contact us, www.Sentry-Steel.com
Great info and I wrote it down as my checklist before I spend $1.
Thank you sir. I was gonna pay in full. Best advice ever!!!
Sounds like you found the video just in time, we hope everything works out well for you in your future purchase @Craigory Robie.
Thank you for sharing some solid advice.
9 years later and this is still golden information! Thank you!
Thanks for this interesting and helpful video. As of this writing, there are 433,590 views, resulting in 1,800 likes. Also there are 102 "dislikes," most of which were likely provided by steel-building salesmen.
He didnt give any numbers ... I got here looking to compare cost of total construction. Not really tips on talking to salesman.
@@dwaynecarter9219. The title of the video explains exactly what was talked about. The video deserves a thumbs up and you get a thumbs down
@@dwaynecarter9219 Well, then, You Sir, cannot read, and no amount of "Numbers" mentioned, would have helped you, because you wouldn't have understood them anyway. So, pay attention to video "Titles", and you might actually get what you were looking for. This is what we're talking about, when we say "Dumb-Shits who do not pay attention". That is YOU, Sir. Why would you have expected numbers to have been mentioned? Thank god that you took the time write down all of the reasons as to why a person should assume that you are stupid.
Great information, thank you for taking the time and doing this very helpful video! 👍
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Thank you. Very good advice Nice looking buildings.
I really wish I would have watched this before buying my steel building this year. You are so right to be careful of what the sales people try to reel you into. Too late for me now, It's finally almost finished. Sales people lie.
Where did you buy your building?
Smh me too I just bought one from Armstrong steel
thanks mud, I was about make a deal with them
Simon Kariuki if your still looking i can get you a bid an see if it works 4 you
i am actually talking with them on one and they had a "special deal for me" if I acted before end of July. I didnt bite but did want to give them my plans so they can give me info. lol
This by far has been the MOST valuable video I have watched on steel buildings!! I owe you my friend
It makes us happy to hear we've been able to share some of our experinece with you @Aaron Jerome, we hope it serves you well.
Very helpful, thank you! I'm looking to build a smallish (18x20ish) ADU/guest cottage/workshop in my back yard here in TX, and have just started considering steel (I was planning CMU/masonry, because we want it to act as a storm shelter as well). After one day of research I've already seen a few of these tactics! This is great info to have!
Sounds great!
@@sentrybuilders5969 Thanks! I'm very excited! I'm actually looking into Quonsets at the moment--I think the arch roof looks cool and will give me the space and the cozy interior feeling I'm after.
Quonset homes/ADUs are big business, it seems. I'd be very interested in seeing a similar video from you about those (if there are different factors to be aware of, and of course if you want to do one). Sure wish you guys were in my area.
Thank you again, and thanks for the reply! I've been loosely planning this project for three years now, and in that time have contacted dozens and dozens of builders, design/build firms, concrete companies, building material suppliers, lumber yards, CMU manufacturers and distributers, foundation companies, engineers. steel building companies, steel building materials companies...you name it, I've emailed at least five or six of them each. Out of those dozens of emails I got *three* replies, and every one was to tell me they don't deal with the general public (okay, one design/build firm--a fourth reply--was willing to talk to me...they needed $3k just to pick up their pencil). It's very depressing and discouraging, so even just to be acknowledged means a lot.
great video. He mentioned all the problems I ran into when I was doing my metal building
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@Vin Commons I have no idea what you're trying to say?
I had a steel building Installed on my residential property. I hired a contractor that took care of everything. He kept me out of trouble with the County building department - 600 sq. ft maximum on my property! The building was finished quickly and is really nice.
Tag or mention the company that you used so that other viewers can find them.
Great tips, a real builder,I also find it helpful to create maybe 10 draws on a job. And make all the draws subject to goals, you get to this point, you get a check, right down the line to finish.
Am a carpenter by trade, but like the size and price of those steel buildings. Built a 30 X 60 in Brunswick Georgia.
Best advice that I have gotten today!
Excellent video! Short, to the point, informative, no fluff!
We're glad you found the video enjoyable and useful @MaucTopa 1337. Our videography skills leave something to be desired, but we try to provide the information people are looking for none-the-less.
very informative thank you for looking after the customer :)
This guy is spot on with respect to deals..You call to get estimates and all the sudden they have a special deal for you..
kinda like car dealers??
lol
I just bought a building today.. I've shopped for years.. You have great information, and I'm glad that I took my time..
I'm very excited to get this big project going.. I'm doing a restroom, shower and utility sink !! Thanks great video !!
Vdubin64 who was the vendor you bought from
Thank you for your insight with steel buildings, this is how we learn. Thank you again.
You're very welcome
Great Advice & Very Well Presented.. Thanks !
Thank you for the information. Has helped a lot. You're my hero
Thank you for sharing this!! Very helpful!!
Very informative and to the point. Thanks!
Good advice for any building project. Thanks!
Glad we could be of help @Mark Wheeler, thanks for watching and adding to the conversation.
Thank you for your insight. It's refreshing to see that someone is looking out for the interest of others.
We appreciate that!
Thank you for your easy to understand, very important information.
Not a problem,yous welcome sweetie
Great information on buying a metal building, thanks for taking the time to make this video.
We're happy to hear it was useful to you @Wilson106 Wilson106, thanks for watching.
Very useful information, Thanks for the heads up. Like anything you have to maneuver around just to get a fair respectable deal. These points you pointed out help out alot.
Thanks for watching our video @jack pegram, and we're glad we could be of some help. Best of luck on any future building project.
He did a great job on presenting!
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this. I appreciate the information..particularly point #5.
You're very welcome @elcasiquegrande, we're glad we could be of help to you. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best of luck on any future steel building projects.
Outstanding advice. Thank you!
You bet!
Excellant video.You've really taught me a lot and they are all good things I can use, Thank You. Dave, Western New York.
Glad you enjoyed it b0v1k7x B, best of luck.
Good advice from a pro! Thanks. Rant Follows: Building codes were created to make construction safer (admission: I'm a licensed Professional Engineer [in TX]). Anyone on your property now or in future could be hurt or killed if construction is sloppy. Yes it's a pain. Yes it's more expensive. I hate to shell out for a 'to code'...oh...water heater instead of getting the cheapest price. Fact: Before 1940 50% of electricians died by electrocution after The Code was introduced very few accidents to workers or owners. Thanks, everybody, for putting up with the rant! Just my $0.02 ($0.01 inflation adjusted).
You are full of shit! 50% of electricians died prior to 1940....another shill for the industry.
I agree with you. Without codes shady contractors would be cutting even more corners than they do today. Building codes and their enforcement are a good thing.
Don't try to play the safety card on me. It is my property and my risk to take not the governments. I can go to Walmart and buy enough alcohol to kill myself 5 times over for 100 bucks but I can't choose how I want to build my footers or how airtight I want my house?
I would agree that a random house buyer should know how his house was constructed and know it is safe to live in, but if I am building something for my own personal use then the government should have no part in it. Just make it the law that any rouge construction must be taken down prior to selling or the buyer must be notified that it is not built to any codes. Then it becomes a deal between two consenting adults and once again the government needs to stay out.
In the good old days we had revolutions for a lot less than the government is doing now... I can buy a car for the price of the inspections/permits alone on houses in some areas.
Plot layouts and drainage concerns are real problems if your 5000 square foot building with it's massive watershed floods out a couple neighbor's basements every time you get an inch of rain in an hour.
I hope we find a builder like you here in Oldham county, Kentucky! Very invaluable information, thank you.
Thank you, and we hope so too! Best of luck and thanks for watching @Tamara Stevenson.
Good advice for more than just steel buildings. Thank you.
Glad to help
This was a good presentation. Thanks.
thanks for this! I had no clue I was supposed to get permission first!
Thanks for the good advise we almost got roped in thinking this was a one and only building that customer had already paid deposit on
Thank you, Great advice!
Thank you for all the great info. I'll be buying next year probably.
Glad we could be of help Chris Goodman, thanks for watching and commenting. Good luck on your project, and if you're in the state of Arizona we'd love to earn your business.
Thanks Chet. Very helpful as we begin the process.
Glad it was helpful!
Smart man!! Great pointers all around!! Thanks so much!
Glad we could be of some help @Fishtown BikesnBeans, thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for posting and sharing your wisdom .
Glad we could be of help @radioguy1620, thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks Chet, All good points to address before contracting for a Steal Bldg. I would say the most important is Common Sense is Number 1 and rare trait today to find. You Sir obviously don't lack that quality. Which you operated in South Central Texas. Have a Blessed Day.
We greatly appreciate your compliment mcanning51, and wish you the best as you move forward.
That's really good advice, paying too much up front can make you less of a priority tomorrow.
Not only that. My friend's friend paid at least half the cost up front for a built in pool. They never heard from the contractor again.
I had a house built, but paid in installments along the way. The contractor still left the house 90 percent unfinished and claimed he was out of money despite receiving 100 percent by then. He also stole materials from me. In the end, he lost his contractor's license and his marriage because of his actions.
Watched this video when we started our metal building project. Our 40'x60' building was finished this week. Thank you.
That is awesome! Glad to hear your project went well and that we were perhaps able to help. Thanks for watching and commenting.
How high is your 40x60 and did you concrete it?
@@burtburt1755 Hello, the building is custom designed with a recessed porch on one corner. It has 14 ft walls went with a 2:12 roof pitch. We are very pleased with it.
thank you for sharing your expertise.
Good Info , Thanks!
excellent, thank you for getting to the point, no bells and whistles, please keep it that way, good luck to you
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the info, very informative...
Good advice! Thanks
You bet!
Very informative video thanks for all the wonderful advice.
Glad we could be of help @Worsham's Lawn Service, hope you have a great New Year.
@@sentrybuilders5969 you have a Happy New Years as well.
Great advice. And also ask about warranty on materials.
Great addition @Wildbill, thanks for adding to the conversation.
Good tips!
Considering this video is 8 years old, some variables have changed in regard to down payments. The volatility of steel prices has a direct affect on overall pricing of structures, when steel prices went up (a lot!) this last year, some customers paid a set amount for their deposit, locked there price in, and once production began the price of their structure went up immensely causing the company to either lose money on the deal or break even. When a 50% deposit is required it is not because anyone is trying to just get a quick sale (at least the honest sales reps) but it is because we want them to get their building at todays steel pricing. If a company orders steel today and a month later steel goes up 10%, they are getting the steel that was priced accordingly. If your dealing with a decent company the sales rep will not put you on the back burner once they get your deposit, they should be working with you throughout the entire process.
Again this is an informative video with great tips but the economy has certainly changed since then.
You are 100% correct! Great call out, we need more people like you commenting on these kinds of threads. I appreciate it.
Thanks for the Pre Buy Education... 👍. Great Detail.. 👍
You bet, glad it was helpful to you @Sgt.
Erected these building for 20 years.not this brand but same type.this gentleman is spot on 100%
We appreciate your input and confirmation @belly flop, thanks for watching.
Thank you for your time and information. Helpfull.
Thanks for the interest and commenting james troy, glad we could be of help.
this was all really good info vary helpful, thanks
Thanks Sentry - I'm looking around internet and you are first company that seems to have content and not marketing. Internet search just seems to come up with sales and no content.
You are very welcome @Eric Coulson, we are glad to be of some help. We try to differentiate ourselves from much of the competition out there in the steel building industry, so we are grateful for your feedback.
Our own experience from the very beginning of our company taught us some of the negative aspects of the industry, especially from the standpoint of "small" individuals like yourself, or us back in the day, and the sales side of the industry tends to be the worst part of the experience for most people. We attempt to eliminate those frustrations as much as possible. If you intend to build in the state of Arizona we would love to work with you, if you are building elsewhere we wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.
This is 110% accurate. Good advice.
Thanks for watching @Keepit Real, we're glad to hear the feedback that is was helpful to you.
I love these buildings. The one in the video is much simpler than what would be needed where there is snow and rain loads. A local steel building's roof collapsed from rain load! Torrential downpours could not be shed fast enough.
You are absolutely right Joe A, and thanks for watching and commenting. Each geographical area has it's own code requirements, and you can find out what these are at your local building office. A mistake too often made by unaware homeowners when talking to a 'sly' salesman is not having the building designed to code for their area. This is important information to research and have on hand anytime you're ordering a building, do not make the mistake of assuming the company will have all the details right, too often they are more concerned with making the sell rather than getting you what you need. Going with a reputable contractor that will handle the permitting of the project for you can save a lot of trouble, then they will make sure everything is correct in the design of the building.
In Texas we bought 5 to 10 acre tracks and built houses and put up a 30x50 all steel buildings , most looked like the one in the video. We did put chicken wire under the vinyl insulation to keep it from sagging. Red iron beams the only way to go. Oh yea and watch out for them "special" deals.
Very helpful. Thanks.
Nice building. Much better than the one I bought. I was able to install a 30 x 36 ft metal building with 15-foot peak 15-foot-wide opening from a kit. The company that sold it to me is now out of business. My son, my granddaughter and I did most of the work. We had help from neighbors. Luckily for me I have a neighbor not more than 1/2 mile from my house who sold the 2 x 6 x 12 lumber that the kit called for, came down and unloaded the flatbed with his forklift when the metal was delivered and another neighbor with a boom on a truck put up the girders after they were bolted together. I was able to borrow a chop saw to cut the metal sheets to size and another friend who owned an overhead door company loaned scaffolding to us. We now have a lift installed to work on vehicles. My only screw up was not getting the concrete floor higher off the ground so the pad angled down so that rain couldn't come into the building. I had to install a sump pump to pump the water far enough away from the building so it can't come in. Forgot to add that I didn't have any problem with the planning department. We drew it up and got it approved. We are zoned agricultural so that probably helped.
Sounds like you are a living example of 'it's not what you know but who you know.' Glad to hear it all worked out, thanks for watching.
Great job Chet!!! Larry
Thanks Larry. Nice to hear from you. You're definitely one of the few who do Steel Building sales right.
Chet
Great video full of useful info thanks .
I put up an ag exempt 5000 sq.ft. unit back in 2000. By 2003 there were stormwater retaining laws in place, and that would have killed my project by forcing me to provide a retaining pond to counter the potential runoff. On a side note-
I weld in my building, and I just used steel exterior sheeting to cover and protect the insulation inside the building.
When ordering a planned building, make sure you have a good builder lined up as well.
I am in the market for a steel building. I've seen the "deals" and wondered if it's really a deal. Thanks for posting this video - I will certainly be more aware of what to look for in the contract.
We're always grateful to hear our simple little videos are helpful to someone. Thanks for watching and commenting @BigTex347.
Thank You for Your great advise.
Some of the points could apply to buying a home, car or choosing a spouse. Well presented.
It would appear some truths are universal, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting @TJ Squatchy.
Excellent points / advice.
Thanks for commenting Robert DeMilo, glad we could help.
Awesome video! Thanks for the Info.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching @Chip Spline.
Thanks for some great advice
It makes us happy to hear it was helpful to you @chicken hawk farmstead, best of luck on any future projects.
Great information! Thank you!
Glad you found it helpful @Kara Thomas, best of luck in your future projects.
Great info! I just had an experience with a steel building sales guy yesterday just like you mentioned. I was looking for a building in AZ so I looked on line to find someone. He wanted $6k down on a building that just happened to be one someone changed their mind on and wants to close the deal before the building was gone. I told him that the place is still in escrow and I’m just looking for a ballpark figure and I felt like I was in a used car lot. I told him I was going to pass and they have been calling all day long so that I can’t even answer the phone.
We're glad that we were able to help you in anyway as you start the process of building your own building Stuckneutral, good luck moving forward.
What exactly you expected to hear from a wise man! Thanks!
Thanks # 5 seems like a very important one to me sir.
We hope it serves you well if you every look to purchase, best of luck @David Velen
Absolutely no reason for a thumbs down on this. Thanks for taking the time to share. I am in need of a steel building. 30x36 in unincorporated Lexington township in Johnson county kansas. Needing a professional builder that understands the codes, as I want to customize it a bit and understand how high I can have the roof to see if i can have a second floor partially. The steel barn in this video is what I am after as far as materials go. Looking for suggestions on a builder in my area. Thank you
We are glad to hear the video was helpful @pttazwilliams, we're builders, not videographers, so hopefully what our videos lack in finesse is made up for by sound advice.
We are not familiar with any specific builders in your area, but we can recommend some building providers that might be able to help you get the building you want and connect you with a local erector. MBCI has locations throughout the US, Rapidset Metal Buildings is located in Colorado but they ship all over, and Mueller Inc isn't too far from where you are at either. We have worked with and purchased from all of these suppliers and have had a good experience in working with them, they might be able to help you find an experienced local builder as well.
In order to determine what is allowed on your property, a trip into your local county building authority is going to be your best bet. While you're there go over all the aspects of what you want to do and try and get all the details of what is allowed, height, setbacks, current adopted building code, local amendments to that building code if any, etc. Some jurisdictions are more friendly and helpful than others, so if your's happens to be a less friendly one, don't forget, or let them forget, that you, your taxes, and your permit fees pay for their job and as "public servants" they are there to help you, not patronize you. It's unfortunate but sometimes you have to be very persistent.
Best of luck on your future project, thanks for watching and commenting.
great advice
Thanks for the info, especially #5. I know better than to pay too much up front. But I also know there are jerk customers out there who will order something, then try to cancel after the product has been manufactured if they didn't put down a reasonable deposit. 25% seemed a bit low to me, so I am glad to hear a pro say it.
Don't be afraid to keep looking for another contractor if they demand too much up front @Fourester ofthetrees. On nearly all of our contracts, we collect 15% of the contract at signing, not even 25%. That 15% is enough to cover the majority of our office work leading up to permitting and planning, as well as the deposit we have to pay to order steel.
Technically, if someone were to back out when it was time to deliver the building, and refused to pay, then we would be out more than they paid initially, but we choose to take that risk to make sure that our clients know we are always motivated to do the work because we don't get paid until we complete whatever stage of the project is next.
Some contractors cannot afford to take that risk and so they collect more initially and throughout the project to cover their cost, and that is fine, but we run our business such that the rare occurrence of someone backing out won't hurt us too bad.
You may not find someone that does it just as we do, but the principal of the matter is what is most important to keep in mind; if a contractor has already been paid for work he hasn't completed yet, it'll be much more difficult to get the work done if you happen to hire a less-than-honorable contractor. Even less desirable workers will get things done more quickly, and do better, if they know their paycheck depends on it.
Thanks for watching and adding to the conversation.
AWESOME information.
Great video. I am am on the fence about either having a 14'x60' RV garage installed, which is what will fit on my lot, or if I should just move to a larger lot and have a larger shop built. Not sure if adding an RV garage will add to my existing property value enough to pay for itself, or if I should just keep my property as is and save my money for a larger shop, if I won't get enough back from selling my property.
Find a reputable RE Broker in your area and ask their opinion about the increase in value. Be clear its for info. I wouldn't mention the option of purchasing a different lot until you had the number.
Garages, shops, pools, and porches are not considered living space so they add only emotional value to a future buyer. Sorry.
Use your common sense about specials is spot on.Its up to you to negotiate,do your do diligence,and price check before commiting.Call your building inspector first with all relevant questions,he really is the yes or no contact person.DON'T BE AFRAID TO NEGOTIATE PRICE ON THESE KITS,there trying to make a sale,your trying to get the best price,MOST companies will negotiate,OR there competition will.If your happy with the price,after doing your homework,thats all that matters,GET IT ON PAPER.Dont worry about "specials"or other crap,negotiate hard and get the best quality and price you can get.I bought the kit,and will build it myself,at my pace with my quality of build to code.
Thanks for your comments @moultonditcher, we appreciate you personal experience & feedback. Making sure you know the building code for your area is right on, do not rely on what the building company has on their spreadsheets. In almost all situations, we have to modify part of the design criteria from what the table shows, to what is true to any given area. Make a trip to your building department, if you can right now, and speak to someone face to face. Get a list of all the different criteria your potential building supplier is going to ask for prior to going, if possible.
Thank you very much for your information
Great info!!
thanks for heads up chet.
Good video... Good ideas to help. People very honest 😁
great advice!
Thanks for watching!
Some really good points to follow. I had a bunch of things I wanted to do but once I visited the city building permit office I had to start over from scratch.
It is usually best early in the project to go talk to your local building authority, as you now know @cuzz63. We get more calls than we would like from owner builders that get stuck with a building they cannot erect because they, or usually the company that pressure sold them the building, don't do sufficient research. If you know what your building official requires before you start the process, or at least before the building design is finalized, you shouldn't have any problems obtaining a permit for your project. One extra tip, when you do go into the building offices, get the names of every person you speak to that gives you information, and make sure you take thorough notes.
@@sentrybuilders5969 yea, I got lucky that I hadnt done anything but mark my yard where I was wanting the building. I didnt even think I needed a permit based on the info I got from the building salesman.
@@cuzz63 We are glad to hear that you didn't get stuck with something you couldn't build. Every company has to sell the product or service they offer, but when the sale becomes more important than meeting the customer's needs, it really is unfortunate. Luckily, sooner or later, companies that run that way get sniffed out and run out. Best of luck with your project.
@@sentrybuilders5969 still learning, they put my building up and since there was an issue I refused to pay them until they fix it. A few days later it rained and water come under the walls of the building. I called and told them...I still havent paid them and its been almost a month. you would think they would want their money.
@@sentrybuilders5969 The building is not as wide as the slab and when it rains water runs under the bottom metal frame. The building company is giving me crap about sealing the bottom and I may have to do it myself. What do you recommend as far as products or tips?