CANON C70 VS RED KOMODO | Dynamic Range, Slow Motion, Autofocus Comparison
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In this video I compare the Canon C70 vs the Red Komodo. I cover Komodo Raw vs C70 XF-AVC, 60 FPS, 120 FPS, Dynamic Range, and I also give a recommendation on who these cameras are for.
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What other questions do you guys have about these cameras? I will try to respond to every comment on here. Thanks for watching.
How do they compare to the raw/ footage from 1dx mark iii?
Is there a noticable difference shooting raw on Canon camera vs the internal 10-bit codec?
@@CedrickOlausson yes a huge
I would have liked to see the rolling shutter vs global shutter examples in a more aggressive pan.
Can you capture full sensor 2K when recording ProRes?
Hi Griffin, thank you so much for all of your hard work and countless hours of writing/filming/editing to put these fantastic mini tutorials and info grams of valuable information and news together for all of us who are interested. It is truly appreciated. Thanks!!!!
Great video. I was actually about 300 feet from you doing a family photo shoot that same evening. I almost came over to you to geek out on the equipment but then decided against it. This vid popped up in my suggested tonight.
You always do the best reviews. simple and straight forward
Great vid, bro. First time visiting your channel and love your vibe, and all of the effort you put into this video. Been contemplating making a move on the C70, and now I may take the leap after Christmas. Thanks for the great vid!
Damn… The comparison I’ve been looking for. Thank you Brotha 🔥
Brilliant piece, down to earth with no shouting or pulling silly faces, just great info, cheers!
Haha that’s what I’m going for! Thanks for watching
Nice just subbed, can't wait to get a Canon C70. Thanks for these test. Keep up the great work!
Loved this! Super informative!!
Thanks a lot for the video, Griffin! Awesome stuff!
Thanks a lot Markus!
Been waiting for this 🔥
Awesome thanks for watching
Thank you, amazing we need so many setting and frame rates for production. Even when people claim not to know they still can sense them.
Love this. Fantastic video man. Would love to see a C70 vs C200 video from you. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks a lot! I will definitely have one coming in the next few weeks.
Hell yeah, great job Griffin!
Thanks a lot!
@@GriffinConway so the komodo was better at handling highlights, but c70 better with recoevring shadows bc DGO? So which has higher DR between the two?
the comparison I was just waiting for 🙌🙌
Awesome thanks for checking it out Marti!
Like always, a solid job man
Looking good, that new office background! Let's appreciate the fact, that Griffin produces these videos in his spare time. Even asking us in a poll which cameras we'd like to prioritize.
Thanks Christopher! Really appreciate it! Which video would you like to see next?
@@GriffinConway How about presenting an overview of the current Canon Cinema EOS ecosystem? While I really enjoy the 1:1 comparisons, a matrix could highlight the handling aspects and application fields of the various models from a different angle.
@@GriffinConway Can we see a c70 vs R6 vs R5 video?
Hi Griffin!
Always enjoy your content! One thing you might try for the “over/under” test is to shoot a grey card or color card to set exposure, then stop up/down on you lens to get a precise measurement. Then in your software you can bring it up or down to match middle grey and know you’ve balanced it out correctly.
Also, I’m sure you know this, but in your “overexposure” test for the Red, when you pull down the ISO on the raw footage, you are actually reducing the total range of highlights. Even though Reds don’t have a native ISO, you will still see a reduction in highlight info as you lower the ISO. As in, Low ISO = more shadow info: High ISO = more highlight info (above middle grey).
Hope that helps!
Man your channel is becoming a reference for mi. Keep pushing it!
Thank you!!
Great review awesome working with you ! I get my Komodo tomorrow so let me know if you need it for any comparisons!
Great vid! Then again they always are!
Thanks so much Brett! Really appreciate it!
I have accidentaly thought you were talking about tid... hm... nothing.
Awesome stuff! Keeping my C70 pre-order after this.
Thanks for watching Dave!
Subscribed. Great job girffin.
Great vid!🔥🔥
Hey Griffin! Great post as always! Please put on your future list an R5 vs C70 video. Thank you!
It’s on the list!
Another great comparison. We use both of these cameras for motorsports shoots on the regular and one thing I dislike about the Komodo is the cropped 120p. It's not unusable, but the C70 just destroys it. In fact, if I have to shoot 120p race footage...I reach for the R5 at this point. You might like that opposed to the 1DX. That said, I think these cameras pair up really nicely.
Bumped into your channel researching for this camera. It seems like a nice Run and Gun Camera. My current camera is a 1DX2, is this a good camera to pair with that as an upgrade?
Thanks for the video, you got my Sub. :)
Ya they are both great and will make a good pairing. And yes it is a great run n gun camera. Thanks for joining the channel. I appreciate that!
I'm really happy to see other Orange County filmmakers making content. We should collab! I am hoping to rock a Canon C70 this year :) been shooting on a C100 for a really long time and I am ready to move up! You got me excited!
Thank you for this! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Great comparison!!!!!
Always enjoy your take! I think image wise the C70 is very capable of shooting some commercials, with the biggest issue being the HDMI only... IMHO adding an SDI would just make it more usable on set and that would be big for me.. Thank you Griffin!
Totally agree. Thanks for watching Chris!
Been watching a bunch of your test videos in a row and my take is mainly that Canon really did a great job with the C70. Always preferred hybrid cameras because I shoot a lot of photos as well but I'm seriously considering the C70 as my next purchase now, it just seems to be such a flexible camera!
That extra stop in the highlights in the Komodo is actually a B&W image (usually using the blue color channel, which clips last). It doesn't have any color information, and you can see that in your waveform monitor. The nice thing is, if want, you can colorize that luma range to whatever you want (sky blue in this case) and by giving it a little saturation, you can really make it look like it captured 14 full-color stops of dynamic range.
Great comparison man! Let’s see a 1DXIII and C70 comparison too!
Yesss please!
Thanks Tyler! I have this one in the cue...just need to get to it!
Great info, Griffin!!
Thanks James!
Great comparison man !! I was so close to getting that C70, pretty much the C100 MK3 I had been waiting for years haha !! I love my BMPCC6K but after selling my C200 I still miss that out of the box ready package :).
Are you getting the C70 or FX6?
Every camera has a caveat! It's so hard to choose! (Love the videos btw)
Flo anything your shoot on will look amazing with your talent. Love your work man!
@@GriffinConway Thanks so much mate !! 👊
should I get the komodo, c70, or bmpcc6kpro!?
Great stuff man, if you wanna try out and compare the Sony FX9 I'm based out of Orange County as well.
really enjoyed your videos so far....started watching your stuff when I got my hands on a c70...only regret with the c70 is when the need arises for taking a picture or two...sucks a bit then...but alas i'm a video guy so...ho hum...anyway keep up the great stuff you put out on utube...thanks dude
Thanks so much! Really appreciate the support, hit me up if you have any questions about the c70
@@GriffinConway hullo...wondering...don't know if you've done any videos on best shutter angles with the c70 and when to use them as in under what conditions etc
Cheers! Nice one Griffin! Perhaps a video doing a project with 1DXMK3 and C70? I have that combo and I really like it! 🙌
Oh and how do you like the c70 joystick and back scroll wheel build quality? The body seems solid otherwise.
Thank you as always.
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for a good video! I am a bit curious about how the C70 works with an Atomos Ninja V or similar external recorder, since I prefer to use other codecs than Canon's.
Very informative video thanks 🙏
Thank you!
Good stuff griff!
Thanks Kev!
Great review as always. Looking forward to picking up a C70 to pair with our C200. Time to sell our 1DX Mark ii that has been collecting dust.
That will be a great addition to the c200! They pair really well together.
**turns up brightness on iPhone** Let the judgement begin
Awesome comparison Griffin
Thanks Gaston!
good content bro👍🏼
Great comparison video, love it! Would love to see 1dxmk3 vs c70 from your point of view!
This one is in the works!
Awesome content. Well done
Thank you!
Just got the c70 and love it? Thank you for a Nice video.
Its a great camera. Thanks for watching!
Nice video dude
Great video. I was leaning to the RED (for the RAW) but I am thinking more about the C70 now.
This is the comparison I was waiting for. I'm getting one of these cameras for sure. Too bad they're both really good at what they do. 🙃
You are right! They are both really great cameras, built for very different uses
Hi, Griffin. I like your video review very much and subscribed. A question here: I saw, you use Atomos Ninja V to record videos from Canon C70. Why? Isn´t record C70 the same characteristics you have shown, using the own recording system? Thanks for answer
Nice Comparison Griffin, have you tested the Canon Speed-Booster?
I have one on pre order and will be testing soon!
Hey I notice you are using a right angle adapter for your hdmi to atomos, I want somthing like that that works with 60p.
Nice Video but PLZ>>> COULD U COMPARE C70 to A7s iii, also Plz add [Low Light into the test and also] add info to How the clip Playback in ur computer for both camera plz...
Good comparison
thanks, Griffin. I don't know if I've thanked you for your content on this particular video. Question: do you think the C70 LUTs might work on 1DXM3 RAW footage? or have you tried it yet?
Thanks so much Ron! I appreciate you bro! The luts work on the clog 2 from the c70 and in my opinion they look great...I may be a little biased though since I made them 😄
1dx mark 3 vs c70 - clog 3 vs raw... hard to see quality from TH-cam maybe a link to your website with video download to compare? Also product videos vs shooting documentaries and how each camera works for each type of video. Thanks!
Another great review Griffin, I'm getting to pick one of them up, what would be your choice now?
Thanks Kamal! I’m a c500 Mark ii owner so my choice was the c70. Fits right in to the lineup, and I felt the image quality was very close between the two. I also feel the c70 has many features that make me work more efficiently on set. Thanks for the kind words about the review 🙏
@@GriffinConway You're welcome and thanks for always being so responsive. I'm a c500 Mark II owner as well along with C200 + R6 and needed to buy a new camera for right off before 31st and was tempted buy owning a RED but the C70 getting Netflix approval helps and now that your feedback is more support so thanks!
That’s a great lineup. I’m in a similar boat. I love how easy it is to use the c70 / c500 Mark ii / R5 in raw etc interchangeably on the same project. Anyways, thanks for the support Kamal. I appreciate you bro!
Hello we hope all is well. and that you have a great weekend We just want to take this opportunity to say Happy Holidays before the madness happens Great Video Thanks for sharing. Stay safe Love and Light Sarah and Glenn
Finally!!
Thanks for watching!
That crop on the Komodo is 🗑
@@NoSuRReNDeR001 you would think the slow motion pecs would be great on this camera for what it’s supposed to be (crash cam) like capturing all the details etc.
I'm sure you already knew that.
Agreed!
Griffin I can't decide what cam to get. I'm a one man band with a shotgun mic sitting on my camera. I shoot all handheld with a 70-200 stabilized lens. I do long shoot days where I hate dealing with anything technical. I don't need autofocus.
Bmpcc 6k pro, komodo, or c70?!
I never use the Canon luts because of what they do to skin tones. The Arri Lut + some saturation always works a million times better for me with C Log 2 and looks like how the first generation of Canon Cinema cameras looked (aka good and effortless and not weird).
So, I been following your channel for a sec now. Mine is the power of drew, and I shoot on the Canon C70 as my A-CAM and the Sony A7s3 as my B-CAM however the Sony is just not cutting it for me. I dont get those butterflies like I get with the Canon. That said, I been thinking of pairing the Canon C70 with the Red Komodo now, using the Red as the A-CAM and the Canon as the B-CAM... what are your thoughts on that?
the rolling shutter test is hilarious :)))
It's a good point though! Most people do a rolling shutter test where they shake the camera like crazy, and the only time you would see that is in extreme action or a lazy vlog. I think he was making the point that you shouldn't buy the red for the global shutter if most of your footage looks like this: Slow pan to the left
Which lets be honest, the majority of people do. Even Hollywood has very few situations with fast pans even.
@@jambononi well, even the worst case of rolling shutter wouldn't show on this kind of pan. on the other hand, many fast moving subjects or actions don't need crazy camera movements to reveal rolling shutter. like swinging a hammer, fast cars, trains, running children, sports etc...
Like I mentioned at the beginning, it’s important to understand I had the Komodo for one day to test everything out. I had other obligations that kept me from shooting more footage. As with all my TH-cam reviews, I try my best given the resources I have. My goal is to provide value to everyone who watches completely for free so they can know more about the gear they use and achieve better work. Unfortunately I didn’t have a football team or a nascar driver handy, so I had to do what I could 😄 though I did mention the usefulness of the rolling shutter and how some would value that
Very informative, thank you. Although the background music is very annoying and distracting. That music taste is not a testimonial of "quality" and that's a shame. Its in contrast with the reasonable good content. You might look into that aspect...
Hey, I was wondering if you used any soft filters when shooting yourself in the studio or is that color grading? If filter, whish one? Thanks!
Black Pro Mist 1/4
What lamp is that attached to your desk?
Cool review. Digging my C70 so far. Just that Lcd screen in full-on daylight is a bummer. using my Small Hd Focus to supplement.
Ya for sure. Almost all cameras need an external monitor. But at least the image and ergonomics are solid!
Hi, as someone with a newly acquired C70 and new to C-Log2, it would be great for a tutorial on how you are metering exposure. I've seen that Log2 is traditionally exposed two-stops over, whereas some are saying under expose etc. with the C70. I did a talking head shot today and the electronic meter was telling me I was two stops over but the LCD with an internal LUT applied looked spot on. Later, When I dropped in a LUT, the image was two stops under exposed. So confused... thankfully I was able to push and pull in post and it looks fine. I just subscribed to your channel and I'll pick up your LUTS too. Hoping you can help with a tutorial for us NOOBs. Thank You!
Really curious if you ever found a solution to this. I'm struggling with the same problem!
Curious as well
How does this guy not have 100k subs
Because his name is not Kevin Conway. Boom...roasted 🔥😂
Was the C70 shot in C-Log2? Saw lots of harsh roll-off and even clipping on the C70 shots while the Komodo had a super smooth roll-off.
The c70 was in clog 2...IMO the canon luts make it look horrible. Also it was exposed slightly brighter on a few shots and I had to adjust it in post to match the Komodo so it wasnt 100% fair
I've done tests of Canon C300 mk III, and there's some difference in the DR between recording in RAW vs XF-AVC Intra. I suppose C70 is pretty much the same as to record on C300 in XF-AVC. It's like in RAW the c300 mk III clips at 6.2 stops by Canon's spec sheet, and that's exactly what it is on practice. While setting the camera to XF-AVC recording - it clips somewhere at +5 stops. Also, XF-AVC has a lot of denoise happening, compared to the RAW from same camera. And when I say a lot- it's like HELL LOT. C300 mk III is def. not bad at low end of DR, -4 stops def. shows some noise, which you'll usually find at -3 stops on MX Red's and Alexa in RAW. But going deeper is going to show a lot of noise in red and green channel, and huge color shifts with some smearing at -5 stops. Speaking about roll-off, if you're using Davinci Resolve - you can utilize the Color Space Transform tool and go from C-Log2 to Arri Log-C to Arri Rec709, and have a smoother roll-off. Speaking that, colorspace transform isn't ideal, but it works really good on C300 (and c70 obviously), way better than with older Red's footage.
I've said this multiple times when I saw the first C70 clips next to the C300 III and people gave the C70 excuses lol. It's half the price of the new C300, no way they were gonna have the same IQ. RED has the nicest highlight rolloff aside from ARRI. Canon is good for a lot of stuff, but they always have a more video look for a lot of reasons.
Nice job.
Thanks!
Would you ever choose a Komodo over something like your C500ii? I own a C70 and love it but need a little more juice for some upcoming shoots. Would you recommend Komodo or c500ii?
I think the Komodo is a great camera with a really beautiful image that is flexible in post. However, it is not the right camera for me. The c500 Mark ii offers full frame 60p which I use every single shoot (especially with boxing), built in ND’s (which are great for run n gun), built in audio which speeds up post for me, and a rock solid pl mount for mounting cinema glass. For me, that makes it perfect for what I do 👍
Thanks///.. have you had a change get a general impression of autofocus in low light and people wearing masks? I imagine that the R5 is probably a bit better
Thanks Bryan! I think the autofocus feels the same as the c200 and c500 mark ii. I haven't done in depth testing yet (check Carlos' channel for that!). However, the R5 is quite a bit better IMO for autofocus
I'd like to see a bmpcc 6k comparison with these, And your thought on bm braw
Alan madhu I love using b raw, I think it’s one of the best codecs out there. I’ve ran into a few issues when editing with it in premiere but I love the flexibility it gives you and how easy it is to play back on your computer. I’ll see if I can get one in for some testing!
@@GriffinConway no words for that quick replay
Black magic raw is the best
In this whole test there is no mention of the thing that jumps out at me: highlight rolloff. The C70 does not do so well in highlights. They often look clipped even if they're not. Perhaps a different gamma curve could fix that. In one shot however there is awful yellow, channel-clipping in the highlights. I want the C70 to be great but I keep seeing colour artifacts with it. Unfortunately it doesn’t look quite like the C300 mk3. I've been thinking of going for both these cameras so thanks for the test!
ya the models hair completely disappears, I wonder if under exposing the the c70 would help so it can take better advantage of its dual gain. This could also be because of the iso he was using using, finding and sticking to the native iso's would help these tests a lot. Would love to see the dynamic range distribution over varying iso's for both cameras.
Ethan I only used the native iso of 800 on both. C70 loves the shadows a little more than the highlights. However I don’t feel this test shows the full picture. The highlight roll off is actually quite good IMO
Did you black shade the Komodo? That will eliminate the noise
I know so many people who shoot with RED but own Canon B or C cams. It is interesting to see who picks C70 over Komodo. Meanwhile, a lot of people are choosing Komodo as their first RED camera.
Waiting for 1dx iii vs C70... Please.
PLEASE
Coming in the next few weeks!
The C300 Mk III shoots 4K 120p in RAW with no crop and it looks amazing.
I am aware of this. I haven’t shot with it though
Griffin I am also based in orange currently at Chapman dodge ! If you ever need an extra hand filming I am happy to help!
Shoot me a message on IG. I’ll keep you in the loupe when I’m doing another test @griffinconway on IG
Buy Red if you are an artist or fan. Buy Canon if you want to make $ fast and be effiicient.
Did you test any ef lenses on the C70? Did you notice that you can’t change autofocus speed? No one is mentioning it and it’s kind of a big deal if you’re looking to slow it down for more organic looking focus pulls.
I used multiple ef lenses on the c70. The ability to adjust af speed is determined on how old your lens is. Not all canon ef lenses will support that functionality (like the 50 1.2), but this is the case on any canon cinema camera with these lenses
@@GriffinConway thanks man. I realized my 70-200 f4 is gen 1 and that’s why it doesn’t allow for changes.
can u add the bmpcc 6k to that test??
Dude... if you shoot a lot of 120p... you should use A7siii or FX6. The sigma converter works very well
I don’t shoot Sony. My whole team is on canon and we have established workflows built around it. Also, time is money and if we have to spend more time editing the footage to match our canon cameras it is not worth it. Also, I don’t shoot a lot of 120p so it definitely wouldn’t be worth it for me. That said, both of those cameras make great options for those who shoot Sony or don’t have a lot tying them in to one brand
Komodo image looks so much better. I couldn't get past it. Your lut made a big difference on the C70 though.
So having the C500ii, just a little nervous about having to get adapt to the c70 to use my existing glass. I heard you only get 60% AF or something like that with EF glass.
@@JustinMyersPhoto thanks for the info!
I will definitely test this soon as I get it in Fraser. I have it on pre order.
Justin Myers thanks a lot Justin! I appreciate you bro!
Unsure what c-log you shot the c70 in, but the highlights on her hair are way way clippier and more video-y than with the filmic rolloff of the komodo, esp after LUTs. Komodo def wins for pro narrative/commercial work where raw quality > all and slo-mo and af not really necessary, c70 for run n' gun, one man band, doc, and music vids
Agreed. Clog 2 is what I used. Unfortunately because the Komodo doesn't have built in ND's, it wasnt a perfect exposure match the c70 was slightly brighter causing the highlights to clip more and appear to have a worse role off. To me they feel about the same in highlight roll off after grading the footage.
@@GriffinConway makes sense. thanks for making these videos, man, grounded, common sense, no fluff. one of my favorite channels
geez the Komodo 120p legit looks like 16mm film though. soft and grainy but sort of a cool look
Ya the grain is much nicer than most cameras for sure. I just watched your wedding photo kit for under 10k video today. Super good one!
@@GriffinConway ah thanks!
How is editing c70 files? I’m worried about the LongGOP files.
Editing is smooth. No having to make proxies.
what computer steup are you using to process this 6k footage?
2019 MacBook Pro
Thanks for this. I have the Komodo on loan right now and thinking of selling my Dragon X in favor of the Komodo, and selling my Lumix S1H for the C70. Best of both worlds. 😃
Thanks for watching! Sounds like that might be a great move!
Why selling the s1h just curious ?!
How would you compare your Komodo to the S1H, my friend. Just narrative work speaking. Filmic motion cadence, highlight rolloff, ext. cheers!
@@zacharyj.5329 The Komodo is better and more versatile in all of these areas IMO. My biggest complaint with the S1H was the codec. It bogged my decent computer down.
@@AKGreen Thank you for this brother. This is very helpful. It sounds like the Komodo is offering a little more of a cinematic narrative image over the S1H. Of course lighting, lenses, set design, ext aside. But overall, cheers!
If someone is shooting a fashion film, which camera would be the best option? First time cinema camera purchaser...
They would both be great options. Do you usually work with a crew or by yourself? Do you need slow motion? Without knowing those answers it would be hard to recommend one vs the other
@@GriffinConway I work by myself mainly and currently work with 60fps slow motion so 120 isn’t necessary. I love the look the RED footage has compared to the c70 from all the sample/test footage I’ve seen on youtube (your videos included).
Great comparison 💯
I think for the price the C70 is just so much better even for myself doing narrative and music video type work
Great Job Griffin
I think
C70 is fantastic
The Canon camera works much better in most scenarios
Canon cameras for reliable autofocus and excellent handling
It helps a lot in the real world
In the past, red cameras had significantly better images
But this gap has been reduced to a minimum in 2020
Maybe just the raw image capability and global shutter is a special advantage of RED KOMODO
I agree!
Nice
Thank you!