The fact that the C70 can recover so much information and it’s not recording in RAW really shows the performance of this camera. The “it sucks the C70 can’t shoot in RAW” goes out the window. The 10bit on the C70 is phenomenal and the fact that it’s much easier to edit makes it a solid option.
Exactly. I went in to this assuming the c200 raw would do better in the extreme situations, but the c70 is a freaking beast. Let’s hang soon bro! Thanks for checking out the video.
Agreed about RAW.... Honestly, I rarely shoot RAW even on commercials. My biggest complaint is SDI. If Canon does bring a C90, I sincerely hope it gets SDI. C70 DR is exceptional in the darks.
@@CrisBagginsi use ETTL most times and it does give me better images, but it actually need to have a lot of light to do it. So at: ISI 100 f2.8 1/48 The image needs to be exposed properly until the shadows are clean, I then underexpose my image until it my shadows are just about to reach the noise floor. In post i raise the shadows by +30 and the result always impressed me. Modern sensors are MUCH better at recovering shadows than highlights. I only do this when the scene is lit in a way that I need to either prioritise shadows or highlights. This way I can get both into the image
Great video - thanks for the exhaustive side by side examples. I really wonder if Canon is going to come out with the C200 Mark 2 or if it was just a bunch of hype. Two things that really bug me on the C70 - no EVF and bad hinge on the display. Still waiting on my choice to upgrade to 4k from my old C100 Mark 2.
You can tell by the likes how helpful this video was over a lot of other C70 videos. Cheers mate, real world feel to this. Much more worthwhile than a full time TH-camr / Reviewer opinion.
Great comparison. The file size of RAW is also the main reason I'm swapping my C200 for FX6. I've loved the camera, but with better alternatives, theres no reason to stick around anymore.
Hey man! Amazing comparison, helped a ton. If you wouldn’t mind weighing in for me, how do you feel like these two now compare for their current market value? I’m seeing the C200 around used for ~$2,500 with the C70 around $6,500. I’ve just starting looking so I don’t know what the c70 originally ran for, but that’s a massive price difference. My biggest concern about the C200 is primarily longevity when purchasing in 2023. How do you personally weigh their worth and which do you recommend I make the massive upgrade to?
Just came across your channel today. Wonderful videos. I'm a C200 owner and looking at the C70 (hoping the C90 may have an SDI among other tiny wishes). Great review, subscribed!
I agree resolve is way more optimized than premiere for cinema raw light. Unfortunately my editing team I work with is all in premiere so no switching for me
Good comparison .but compare raw code and a 10 Bit Codec in terms of noise is a Bit unequal because raw does no noise reduction internally, it’s raw image. But c70 seems pretty good camera for a lot of wedding filmmakers and stuff.
I understand it is not a “apples to apples” comparison, but I mentioned that I didn’t do any noise reduction and it would perform better with some noise reduction. That said, it is insanely slow to apply noise reduction in premiere and these comparisons already become pretty big projects so for the sake of time I was unable to do it.
Dude this is a wicked comparison. Great comparisons and basically the same as my thoughts. C200 is amazing, but the RAW was a killer with no compression ratios.
Sir, you got me subscribed! Thanks a lot for this down to earth in-depth review. Greetings from Switzerland from a C300 MkI owner who just switched from the 5D MkII =) Man, started to love the Canon C series!
Although the dynamic range and sharpness of the c70 looks is better its just something about the look of the c200 and they way it renders color that I prefer. The c70 gives me dslr vibes but still a great camera.
Great comparison thanks. I’m convinced that my C200 is just fine for a while to come. RAW will become increasingly manageable and storage cheaper. Can’t imagine letting go of RAW, EVF, SDI and overall form factor. I’ll say a prayer for Canon giving us 4K 10 bit external on the C200 for XMas.
@@StevenFreitag yeah I’m with you on that one. But maybe ... the thought makes me happy for now 😉 Perhaps when 12 bit becomes the standard Canon will throw us a bone.
@@theampedlife the only bone canon will throw at you is one at your head if you don't buy their new cameras. Canon is the most ruthless company when it comes to product separation.
I'm really struggling with the form factor of the C70. On my very first C70 shoot last weekend it was a live stream of a half marathon and I was shooting interviews with the race winners and going live to vMix. The LCD in the C70 is not great and I missed the EVF and lack of SDI to run our wireless transmitter. It was like OMG this is just the wrong camera to use in this situation. I'm in a spin here on what to do but just might send it back and swap for a C200. We also run Canon Xf605 cameras, so for much of what we do the c200 might be a better fit for our workflow. Same batteries, similar menu set up, EVF and SDI. I really don't do high end work with big client demands so maybe the 4k 8 bit from the c200 will be fine. But for me it's the form factor. The lack of SDI and EVF are things I can't do without. Yes you can mount EVFs and larger LCD screens and a cage to the C70 but for me it's just all clumsy and I hate it. Thanks again Griffin I really enjoy your videos
Thank you for watching! I prefer the c200 form factor most of the time as well. Although, I really love my c70 once it is rigged up. Feel free to check out my "C70 Rig" video. I show the different setups for different use cases.
I think that the differences in high-ISO performance reflect the different gain architectures of the two cameras. The C200 uses conventional preamps, with a limited selection of physically realizable analog gains. The sensor behaves optimally when shooting at ISOs corresponding to those gains (400 and perhaps somewhere around 1600?), but shows increased noise when operating in between, because it has to use a lower-than-ideal analog gain and then scale digitally. The C70 has dual simultaneous gains, meaning that it applies both low- and high-gains to every sample, and then combines the resulting values. Light tones can use the results of the low gain if they would have saturated at the high gain, while shadows always benefit from the high gain. You would expect such a camera to have an advantage at low/mid ISOs as you saw, because at ultra-high ISO both cameras are basically using their highest gain for every sample (put another way, even the brightest scene tones are so dark that the C70 can use its high gain without saturating) and in that scenario the C70's dual-gain architecture doesn't give it any advantage.
The C70 DR is excellent and 1600 ISO is really fantastic. I really never ago above that, but having the speed booster with the .71x adapter with such a clean 1600 ISO will be really nice for slow motion macro work! Like many others, SDI would be my number one wish for this camera. Thank you for taking the time to make this video Griffin.
Couldn’t agree more. Sdi is the one main disappointment, but there are ways around it with a monitor that can cross convert the signal for example. Thanks for watching Christopher!
2:43 I'm glad to hear someone else mention the greener look on the C200. I've also been shooting with the C200 for a couple years, and when comparing to my C100 Mk2, I definitely noticed the C200 leans a little greener. I always thought it was interesting that Canon did this with the C200. It's not a bad thing necessarily, as I really like the look of the C200, but it's definitely interesting Canon did that.
Looks like the C70 has quite a huge amount of spatial noise reduction, is there a way to turn it off or lower at least? Would still be much cleaner since the C70 DGO sensor can simply capture more information in the shadows.
5:01 - I definitely see the same things in my tests. Even when recording in 8-bit on the C200. The shadows in the Canon Raw Light files are always really noisy because there is no noise reduction done in camera and I don't want to have to do that in post on export.
Exactly. A few people complained I didn’t do noise reduction in my test. However, I find that it takes forever and really slows down my workflow, so I tend to just shoot lower ISO’s and light the scene for proper exposure with the c200
Great video, thanks! I’ve been going back and forth on whether to sell my recently bought C200 and get a C70. This was a really useful side-by-side but I’m still not 100% sure what to do.
I have used the C70 a few times. Not side by side with a C200 though. I do like how you can build the C200 out more. That 4K 120fps is a real draw though. I think my ideal scenario would be C70 internals in a C200 body.
Awesome video, thank you so very much! Did you every shoot externally with the C200 in to an Atomos or other similar external monitor? I have used my C100 MKII with an external Shogun Inferno recording ProRes (fake 4.2.2.) 8 bit. I’m thinking about getting a C70 but I’m still interested in the C200. I’m not top notch like you and some of the others commenting. I’m just a lil old ,novice, grandpa who has found some really nice cheap cinema cameras. I’m going to stick them in the faces of my family for all of our events and Sunday School review video content. Thanks again - I also use a Ninja Blade
12:05 you can run up to 200 feet with Fiber Optic HDMI "Available in a maximum length of 200 feet, fiber optic HDMI surpasses the distance limit of even some baluns, let alone the 65 foot limit of copper HDMI."
This is not what is usually done on professional sets for a number of reasons. In our particular use case, hdmi introduces more latency than sdi which causes problems for our multi cam switcher. Additionally, c200 can’t output a lut over hdmi, and it is not a locking connection either.
Hey, are you able to get Browser Remote on the C70 or does it require an additional wifi transmitter of some sort?? Somehow my Network settings are grayed out on the C70
Hey Griffen can you comment on the sharpness of the c70's image? I noticed - especially from the high iso comparison - that the c70 was noticeably sharper than the c200. Perhaps there was some sort of in-camera sharpening? Or maybe the sensor's really that good at capturing detail. Great comparison btw!
The c70 appears sharper to me than c200. That said, I never test sharpness because I don’t think a “sharp” image makes for a good image. In fact, I usually use softening filters. It gives it a more organic look.
Thanks for the video! Looking to get my first cinema camera and with the recent price cut on the c200, I need more in-depth insight as compared to the c70 (which is the one I’m leaning towards currently). Part of me is wondering if I should wait and see if they update the c200 this year but not sure. Also, yo yo cool to see creators coming out of OC!
I noticed you used a shotgun mic on top of the c70 and I’d love to know what you used to do that and how good the audio quality is when plugged directly into the camera and not to an external recorder. That would make a shotgun mic very versatile to use because you won’t have to buy another on-camera mic. Thank you!
If you set the noise reduction on the C70 to spacial:1 and frame correlation:1 you can get away with higher ISOs. You get no plasticky softness. The same applies to the C500.
Nice review @Cliff Conway. Did you do a black balance on the c200? May have helped with the noise in the black. c70 won most tests, but the c200 crushed it on the recovery from overexposed - look at the sky color, more information retained..
I black balanced at the beginning of the day. I have owned both for a while and can tell you they aren’t even close in terms of noise, the c70 is much much cleaner
IMHO the C200 has more of that traditional film look which is my preference the C70 is a bit to wedding video for me. Both excellent cameras. Thank you for posting.
I plan too. The C70 is still double the C200 in 2024 on the used market. I’d rather have the full size XLR ports but the C70 is a nice cinema camera. My money isn’t that long so I’m going for the C200 to match up with my C100 MKII.
@@GriffinConway thanks for the quick answer. I’m thinking about getting a c200 over a c100mii and I like the idea of 10stops of nd. Of course the camera has many other benefits over the c100mii. What’s your opinion on the the 1080p on the c200 vs the c100mii? Will my MacBook Air m1 16gb ram edit them the same? New shooter trying to buy his first camera so any help is great Griffin.
Maybe this is a stupid question, I've never used a C200 but am interested in one possibly, but can a stripped down C200 be safely mounted to a super telephoto lens such as a 600mm f4 without any support? Of course the lens mounted to a tripod and the C200 mounted by just the lens mount, as if using just a DSLR. Would it be too heavy to hold by just the lens mount? Has anyone tried this??
I just got 2 C200s for $2000 each new. My first Cinema cameras. Do I need a Cinema camera? Probably not....but I couldn't resist giving it a try at that price.
Hello great video. Did you use the same lens for each camera? Or did the C70 have an RF and the C200 have an EF? It seems as if you used RF for one and EF for the other. Thanks Cheers from LA! Frank
Both cameras were shot in their highest quality available codec...so for the c200 it was in raw the whole time except for the 120p which was shot in 8 bit 420 because that’s all that is available
hello! well, most c200 shots were out of focus. why uploading this comparison? not very fair and professional imho anyway thumbs up and good content, cheers
Both were on the same autofocus settings. As mentioned to another commenter, these tests take a very long time and they are funded 100% by me personally. They are put up on the internet for anyone to watch completely for free. The results show what each camera is capable of, and it is not biased for one or the other. If you find that one was slightly out of focus, feel free to ignore the image from a sharpness perspective, but that doesn’t change things like out of camera color, noise structure, or dynamic range.
@@GriffinConway From what I have experienced ABB for the ISO you are in on the c200 goes along way on the amount of noise especially at higher ISO. From your experience have you noticed that makes a difference?
The banding was probably more due to the TH-cam compression, I own a c200 and never have had a banding issue in the raw codec. The codec in the c200 at 24fps and 30fps is a 12bit codec.
The fact that the C70 can recover so much information and it’s not recording in RAW really shows the performance of this camera. The “it sucks the C70 can’t shoot in RAW” goes out the window. The 10bit on the C70 is phenomenal and the fact that it’s much easier to edit makes it a solid option.
Exactly. I went in to this assuming the c200 raw would do better in the extreme situations, but the c70 is a freaking beast. Let’s hang soon bro! Thanks for checking out the video.
My thoughts exactly!
Agreed about RAW.... Honestly, I rarely shoot RAW even on commercials. My biggest complaint is SDI. If Canon does bring a C90, I sincerely hope it gets SDI. C70 DR is exceptional in the darks.
Why no one mentions compression, that the C70 shoots in Long GOP except at 25fps
@@vladimirmiladinovic3104 7:42 👍
Griffin - your camera comparisons are reviews are some of my favorites - really practical, useful info.
Thank you Curtis! The feelings are mutual for all the audio and lighting reviews that I watch yours are my favorite
Thanks for the tests. As a C200 owner I still love the colour on the C200. I dont know what it is but it has a vibe. But that sensor needs light. ETTR
I agree I kind of like the green shadows. I actually tint my c70 green to make it look more like the c200.
@@GriffinConway do you only push green into the shadows? or how do you grade it to match the c200?
Actually... nope. ETTR does not help to get better images
@@GriffinConway would also like to know how exactly do you tint it green. Thank you!
@@CrisBagginsi use ETTL most times and it does give me better images, but it actually need to have a lot of light to do it.
So at:
ISI 100
f2.8
1/48
The image needs to be exposed properly until the shadows are clean, I then underexpose my image until it my shadows are just about to reach the noise floor. In post i raise the shadows by +30 and the result always impressed me. Modern sensors are MUCH better at recovering shadows than highlights.
I only do this when the scene is lit in a way that I need to either prioritise shadows or highlights. This way I can get both into the image
Thanks for this video!!! The C70 is a great step for canon and I think it’s going to be a very popular camera.
I agree! Thanks a lot. I’m a fan of your channel by the way. Great stuff on there!
I'm pumped for the r5 comparison!
The one video we’ve been waiting for...
Let me get the popcorn 😎🍿
Haha thanks for watching!!
Subscribed! You and Carlos together have given me a wealth of valuable info in making my decision to finally buy the C70. I am almost there!😁🙏🏾
Thanks a lot! Glad you find value here!
11:40 so much truth dude!! Great video as always brother!
You know it bro! Thanks Tyler!
Great video as usual brother. We have a 200 and we’re thinking about the 70 right now. This video was really helpful. We appreciate you.
Awesome! Glad I could help! Hit me up with any questions
Great video just purchased the C70 and been using it for a lot of professional work. Love it
That’s awesome Michael! Hit me up with any questions you have!
Canon C200 with its RAW video directly to the card is the most ideal camera for movies!
C200 raw is great if you can handle the workflow!
I love you videos man.
Always crushing it💯.. Now I'm waiting for C70 vs 1DX mark iii.
Please.
That one is coming up for sure! Appreciate the kind words 🙌
Yes please!
Excellent info dude! Great video! The C70 is definitely going to be my next camera!
C70 is such a great camera!
At 2:46 you said all the settings were exactly the same. Did you shoot in XFAVC and which Log Profile did you use?
Awesome comparison! Looking forward to more C70 videos
Thank you!
great comparison Griffin! solid work as always
Great video - thanks for the exhaustive side by side examples. I really wonder if Canon is going to come out with the C200 Mark 2 or if it was just a bunch of hype. Two things that really bug me on the C70 - no EVF and bad hinge on the display. Still waiting on my choice to upgrade to 4k from my old C100 Mark 2.
You can tell by the likes how helpful this video was over a lot of other C70 videos. Cheers mate, real world feel to this. Much more worthwhile than a full time TH-camr / Reviewer opinion.
Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the kind words 🙌
Damn your channel just randomly popped up. Great breakdown really enjoyed learning the difference of these 2 cameras
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked jt
Nice video. I’m looking forward to the R5/1DX/C70 comparison.
Great comparison. The file size of RAW is also the main reason I'm swapping my C200 for FX6. I've loved the camera, but with better alternatives, theres no reason to stick around anymore.
There’s a lot of great options out there!
Hey man! Amazing comparison, helped a ton. If you wouldn’t mind weighing in for me, how do you feel like these two now compare for their current market value?
I’m seeing the C200 around used for ~$2,500 with the C70 around $6,500. I’ve just starting looking so I don’t know what the c70 originally ran for, but that’s a massive price difference. My biggest concern about the C200 is primarily longevity when purchasing in 2023. How do you personally weigh their worth and which do you recommend I make the massive upgrade to?
Great job Griffin :)
Oooh Griffin got some hands 👊 Great info as always
quick, to-the-point and quality comparison. thanks for the content. subscribed!
Or buy lights and do image acquisition like a professional lol. Oh, both outperform film stock :)
Hey buddy hope all is irie. What Is the best lens to do talking head interview? Or interview in general people seating talking to the camera so forth?
I would say the 35mm / 85mm combo for A cam/B cam is my most used combo. If I was going single camera I would use a 50mm.
@@GriffinConway Great advice thank you
Just came across your channel today. Wonderful videos. I'm a C200 owner and looking at the C70 (hoping the C90 may have an SDI among other tiny wishes). Great review, subscribed!
C200 user also and working with Canon Cinema Raw Light works very well in Resolve. No issues what so ever except the larger files sizes.
I agree resolve is way more optimized than premiere for cinema raw light. Unfortunately my editing team I work with is all in premiere so no switching for me
Good comparison .but compare raw code and a 10
Bit Codec in terms of noise is a Bit unequal because raw does no noise reduction internally, it’s raw image.
But c70 seems pretty good camera for a lot of wedding filmmakers and stuff.
I understand it is not a “apples to apples” comparison, but I mentioned that I didn’t do any noise reduction and it would perform better with some noise reduction. That said, it is insanely slow to apply noise reduction in premiere and these comparisons already become pretty big projects so for the sake of time I was unable to do it.
Solid review and comparison. Your conclusions are much appreciated.
Glad you liked it! Thanks Robert!
Hey Griffin, love your videos, so wonderful to follow your thoughts and honest views on the gear! Thanks for doing such informative content.
Love your insights, they're refreshing thoughts you don't get to hear on other channels. Thank you!
Thanks so much Christopher! Really appreciate the kind words 🙌
Excellent tests and objectivity. Thank you!
Dude this is a wicked comparison. Great comparisons and basically the same as my thoughts. C200 is amazing, but the RAW was a killer with no compression ratios.
Sir, you got me subscribed! Thanks a lot for this down to earth in-depth review. Greetings from Switzerland from a C300 MkI owner who just switched from the 5D MkII =) Man, started to love the Canon C series!
Is the autofocus better on the C200 or the C70?
C70 is way better IMO. I owned both. C70 has had multiple improvements since this video came out
@@GriffinConway Yeah that's what i've thought! Might have to finance one. lol
Although the dynamic range and sharpness of the c70 looks is better its just something about the look of the c200 and they way it renders color that I prefer. The c70 gives me dslr vibes but still a great camera.
Both are great options for sure!
Great comparison thanks. I’m convinced that my C200 is just fine for a while to come. RAW will become increasingly manageable and storage cheaper. Can’t imagine letting go of RAW, EVF, SDI and overall form factor.
I’ll say a prayer for Canon giving us 4K 10 bit external on the C200 for XMas.
C200 is still a great camera! Thanks for watching!
That 4K 10 bit external will never happen 🥴
@@StevenFreitag yeah I’m with you on that one. But maybe ... the thought makes me happy for now 😉 Perhaps when 12 bit becomes the standard Canon will throw us a bone.
@@theampedlife the only bone canon will throw at you is one at your head if you don't buy their new cameras. Canon is the most ruthless company when it comes to product separation.
Super helpful video. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a C70, a Sony CX6, or a RED Komodo.
Thanks. I needed to hear that. Got a C70 coming.
I’m sure you will love it! It’s a great camera
Is there any particular reason why all the shots from the C 200 look soft and/or out of focus?...
He probably just missed focus.
@@itsjantore
He better hope! so.
I'm really struggling with the form factor of the C70.
On my very first C70 shoot last weekend it was a live stream of a half marathon and I was shooting interviews with the race winners and going live to vMix. The LCD in the C70 is not great and I missed the EVF and lack of SDI to run our wireless transmitter.
It was like OMG this is just the wrong camera to use in this situation.
I'm in a spin here on what to do but just might send it back and swap for a C200.
We also run Canon Xf605 cameras, so for much of what we do the c200 might be a better fit for our workflow. Same batteries, similar menu set up, EVF and SDI.
I really don't do high end work with big client demands so maybe the 4k 8 bit from the c200 will be fine.
But for me it's the form factor. The lack of SDI and EVF are things I can't do without. Yes you can mount EVFs and larger LCD screens and a cage to the C70 but for me it's just all clumsy and I hate it.
Thanks again Griffin I really enjoy your videos
Thank you for watching! I prefer the c200 form factor most of the time as well. Although, I really love my c70 once it is rigged up. Feel free to check out my "C70 Rig" video. I show the different setups for different use cases.
Thank you for comparing them! I want both!
You are welcome they are both great options!
I think that the differences in high-ISO performance reflect the different gain architectures of the two cameras. The C200 uses conventional preamps, with a limited selection of physically realizable analog gains. The sensor behaves optimally when shooting at ISOs corresponding to those gains (400 and perhaps somewhere around 1600?), but shows increased noise when operating in between, because it has to use a lower-than-ideal analog gain and then scale digitally.
The C70 has dual simultaneous gains, meaning that it applies both low- and high-gains to every sample, and then combines the resulting values. Light tones can use the results of the low gain if they would have saturated at the high gain, while shadows always benefit from the high gain. You would expect such a camera to have an advantage at low/mid ISOs as you saw, because at ultra-high ISO both cameras are basically using their highest gain for every sample (put another way, even the brightest scene tones are so dark that the C70 can use its high gain without saturating) and in that scenario the C70's dual-gain architecture doesn't give it any advantage.
Great comparison bro!
I've bought my C200 after watching your review and now the C70 in on my wish list haha...
Haha I still love the c200. The c70 is great as well. Hope you and the family are doing well bro!
@@GriffinConway thank you brother! Happy Holidays!
Great test! Thanks for the great job!
Thanks Paul!
The C70 DR is excellent and 1600 ISO is really fantastic. I really never ago above that, but having the speed booster with the .71x adapter with such a clean 1600 ISO will be really nice for slow motion macro work! Like many others, SDI would be my number one wish for this camera. Thank you for taking the time to make this video Griffin.
Couldn’t agree more. Sdi is the one main disappointment, but there are ways around it with a monitor that can cross convert the signal for example. Thanks for watching Christopher!
@@GriffinConway Ageed, I have monitors that can do that... but having the second port and having it be SDI would just make me feel good! ;-)
@@christophermcguinness totally agree!
@@christophermcguinness what monitors can do that?
2:43 I'm glad to hear someone else mention the greener look on the C200. I've also been shooting with the C200 for a couple years, and when comparing to my C100 Mk2, I definitely noticed the C200 leans a little greener. I always thought it was interesting that Canon did this with the C200. It's not a bad thing necessarily, as I really like the look of the C200, but it's definitely interesting Canon did that.
Totally agree, I actually kind of like it
Looks like the C70 has quite a huge amount of spatial noise reduction, is there a way to turn it off or lower at least? Would still be much cleaner since the C70 DGO sensor can simply capture more information in the shadows.
Liking the overexposed C70 way more, the roll-off is much smoother.
I agree on the highlight roll off. I left the c70 on it’s default settings for noise reduction
@@GriffinConway so you can lower it?
That would be great, since apart from the strong NR the image seems to look quite great.
@@DennisSchmitz I’m unsure. I haven’t tested this or checked yet. I’ll try to take a look later
@@GriffinConway thx a lot!
5:01 - I definitely see the same things in my tests. Even when recording in 8-bit on the C200. The shadows in the Canon Raw Light files are always really noisy because there is no noise reduction done in camera and I don't want to have to do that in post on export.
Exactly. A few people complained I didn’t do noise reduction in my test. However, I find that it takes forever and really slows down my workflow, so I tend to just shoot lower ISO’s and light the scene for proper exposure with the c200
Great video, thanks! I’ve been going back and forth on whether to sell my recently bought C200 and get a C70. This was a really useful side-by-side but I’m still not 100% sure what to do.
Thanks Ben, glad you enjoyed it. The best option is if you can rent each one and shoot for a few days. Both are great options though!
I have used the C70 a few times. Not side by side with a C200 though. I do like how you can build the C200 out more. That 4K 120fps is a real draw though.
I think my ideal scenario would be C70 internals in a C200 body.
Good stuff bro 👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks Teddy!
What codec do u mainly use in your studios on c200 ? What codecs on c200 do u mainly use for clients ?
I thought your where doing a 1dx mark iii and c70 comparison.
It’s in the works!
What SD cards are you running on the C70? I had issues with my Angelbird 128gb V90 card.
I use Sandisk 128gb uhs ii. They say not compatible when you start it up but they work perfectly fine
Great comparison review.
Thanks!Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video, thank you so very much! Did you every shoot externally with the C200 in to an Atomos or other similar external monitor? I have used my C100 MKII with an external Shogun Inferno recording ProRes (fake 4.2.2.) 8 bit.
I’m thinking about getting a C70 but I’m still interested in the C200. I’m not top notch like you and some of the others commenting. I’m just a lil old ,novice, grandpa who has found some really nice cheap cinema cameras. I’m going to stick them in the faces of my family for all of our events and Sunday School review video content.
Thanks again - I also use a Ninja Blade
12:05 you can run up to 200 feet with Fiber Optic HDMI "Available in a maximum length of 200 feet, fiber optic HDMI surpasses the distance limit of even some baluns, let alone the 65 foot limit of copper HDMI."
This is not what is usually done on professional sets for a number of reasons. In our particular use case, hdmi introduces more latency than sdi which causes problems for our multi cam switcher. Additionally, c200 can’t output a lut over hdmi, and it is not a locking connection either.
Hey, are you able to get Browser Remote on the C70 or does it require an additional wifi transmitter of some sort?? Somehow my Network settings are grayed out on the C70
I believe you need an additional piece of hardware to get that to work, but I am not 100% sure
In case I missed this, Is the c70 using noise reduction as opposed to the c200?
It would be great if you made a video about dynamic range i am having a problem with finding a video that breaks it down well
I’ll keep that in mind!
You rock Griffin!
Thanks so much!
Great video. Very helpful. Thanks.
Thanks so much Glenn!
Hey Griffen can you comment on the sharpness of the c70's image? I noticed - especially from the high iso comparison - that the c70 was noticeably sharper than the c200. Perhaps there was some sort of in-camera sharpening? Or maybe the sensor's really that good at capturing detail. Great comparison btw!
The c70 appears sharper to me than c200. That said, I never test sharpness because I don’t think a “sharp” image makes for a good image. In fact, I usually use softening filters. It gives it a more organic look.
Thanks for the video! Looking to get my first cinema camera and with the recent price cut on the c200, I need more in-depth insight as compared to the c70 (which is the one I’m leaning towards currently). Part of me is wondering if I should wait and see if they update the c200 this year but not sure.
Also, yo yo cool to see creators coming out of OC!
I think I might re do this test for 2023. Any specific questions you have or things you would be looking for?
I noticed you used a shotgun mic on top of the c70 and I’d love to know what you used to do that and how good the audio quality is when plugged directly into the camera and not to an external recorder. That would make a shotgun mic very versatile to use because you won’t have to buy another on-camera mic. Thank you!
I use the nTG 3. The c70 pre amps are very good. I would reccomend a shorter shotgun mic though like the ntg5
@@GriffinConway Nice, that's my dream setup!
I love your videos and this channel very great info for us.
Thanks for being here Pablo! I appreciate you watching!
If you set the noise reduction on the C70 to spacial:1 and frame correlation:1 you can get away with higher ISOs. You get no plasticky softness. The same applies to the C500.
I tried a few different settings with the noise reduction and found it to have some frame ghosting
Nice review @Cliff Conway. Did you do a black balance on the c200? May have helped with the noise in the black. c70 won most tests, but the c200 crushed it on the recovery from overexposed - look at the sky color, more information retained..
I black balanced at the beginning of the day. I have owned both for a while and can tell you they aren’t even close in terms of noise, the c70 is much much cleaner
Thank you so much for this detailed video 😁
Thanks for watching!
On big sets do they frown upon hdmi extenders with Ethernet? Instead of Sdi
On larger sets that I am on we never really use hdmi extenders. It’s sdi cables or teradek systems if it’s an extended length
IMHO the C200 has more of that traditional film look which is my preference the C70 is a bit to wedding video for me. Both excellent cameras. Thank you for posting.
As far as price points that would make a c200 worth it over a c70 in 2024, would you spring for a c200 at $1700?
thanks for the work you put into this
I plan too. The C70 is still double the C200 in 2024 on the used market. I’d rather have the full size XLR ports but the C70 is a nice cinema camera. My money isn’t that long so I’m going for the C200 to match up with my C100 MKII.
@@lb7144 I ended up going for the 200 also. No regrets so far
Great review! Thank you! :) Considerin to buy the C70 in 2024 haha. What lens did you use at the high iso test at night?
did you shoot both in Neutral gamma?
Planning for this camera, but likely just going to use Ed adapter and not the crazy expensive RF lens. We have lots of EF glass.
more excellent content. thank you, Griffin!
Thanks a lot Ron! Glad you enjoy it!
what kind of settings do you upload to youtube tho, that banding is horrible.
Can anyone answer how the extended nd (8/10stops) looks? Is it useful or is there bad colour shift etc. Thoughts.
Not noticeable at all, looks the same with no color shift
@@GriffinConway thanks for the quick answer.
I’m thinking about getting a c200 over a c100mii and I like the idea of 10stops of nd. Of course the camera has many other benefits over the c100mii.
What’s your opinion on the the 1080p on the c200 vs the c100mii? Will my MacBook Air m1 16gb ram edit them the same? New shooter trying to buy his first camera so any help is great Griffin.
What codec were you shooting the c200 on ? Raw 12 bit ? Or 8 bit 420.
Maybe this is a stupid question, I've never used a C200 but am interested in one possibly, but can a stripped down C200 be safely mounted to a super telephoto lens such as a 600mm f4 without any support? Of course the lens mounted to a tripod and the C200 mounted by just the lens mount, as if using just a DSLR. Would it be too heavy to hold by just the lens mount? Has anyone tried this??
I’ve done that before without issue
@@GriffinConway awesome thank you
Good job, thanks. Waiting for speed booster review.
I just finished it. Uploading on Monday 👍
Great video babe!!
Thanks Babe! We need you to be the test subject for the next one ❤️
Thanks for the comparison Griffin! C200 owner and stoked on it. Happy holidays and happy new year!
C200 is still an amazing camera. Thanks, and happy holidays to you as well!
Hi nice video. Which Sd card do you use for the C70?
Great in depth review! Keep seeing c 70 videos and it’s making me lean more to it over the fx6 but still having a hard time deciding 🥴
You can’t go wrong with either...but for me, I’m team canon all the way lol
Great video mate. Can you tell me if you were using the speed booster on the c70 for the low light or RF lenses?
really looking forward to the C70 speed booster review
I just got 2 C200s for $2000 each new. My first Cinema cameras. Do I need a Cinema camera? Probably not....but I couldn't resist giving it a try at that price.
Congrats! I still love the c200 we use four of them in our studios. Nonstop use for 5 years and not a single problem!
Hello great video. Did you use the same lens for each camera? Or did the C70 have an RF and the C200 have an EF? It seems as if you used RF for one and EF for the other. Thanks Cheers from LA! Frank
Hi, may I ask you if you made ABB on booth cameras before shooting?
1:40 very smooth bag work tho👊🏿
Thank you!
What codec were you shooting in? DId you mention that?
Both cameras were shot in their highest quality available codec...so for the c200 it was in raw the whole time except for the 120p which was shot in 8 bit 420 because that’s all that is available
are you noticing the heavy banding going on?
with both of them
You can thank TH-cam for that lol
@@GriffinConway really? its not the bitrate?
hello! well, most c200 shots were out of focus. why uploading this comparison? not very fair and professional imho anyway thumbs up and good content, cheers
Both were on the same autofocus settings. As mentioned to another commenter, these tests take a very long time and they are funded 100% by me personally. They are put up on the internet for anyone to watch completely for free. The results show what each camera is capable of, and it is not biased for one or the other. If you find that one was slightly out of focus, feel free to ignore the image from a sharpness perspective, but that doesn’t change things like out of camera color, noise structure, or dynamic range.
Always find these reviews interesting. Great sensor on the C70 but at the end of the day I’m going to focus on bettering my story telling not my gear.
Can you playback 60p and 120p footage on the camera in 24fps (i.e. see it in slow motion within camera)
Awesome comparison. Did you do a ABB on the c200 before those tests or no?
No because I didn’t chance white balance significant temperatures
@@GriffinConway From what I have experienced ABB for the ISO you are in on the c200 goes along way on the amount of noise especially at higher ISO. From your experience have you noticed that makes a difference?
Did I notice more banding in the C200 blue sky?
The banding was probably more due to the TH-cam compression, I own a c200 and never have had a banding issue in the raw codec. The codec in the c200 at 24fps and 30fps is a 12bit codec.
The banding is only visible on TH-cam. The footage looks clean on my monitor
Solid review! Looks like it should pair well with the c500
Heck ya! Thanks for checking the video out Fraser!