Sooo, Tom. There's this YTube videographer named Thomas Kovacik that had a Sony FX3 for the past year and then just made a video recently that he switched to a Canon C70 ?!!! I haven't watched that video fully on why he changed his mind. But what are your thoughts? As a beginner videographer, I look at advice from those who have the budget to use a wide range of cinema cameras - and now it's getting more confusing for me on FX3 (or FX6) vs C70... Hope you can be able to shed some light - thanks again for your guidance!
@@ItsTomRich Thanks for your reply. Sorry, but in addition to my limited budget, I can't help but look at YTube videos of various filmmakers with what their experiences are with each camera that I'm comparing - to serve as a guide in helping me choose/buy my first entry-level cinema camera. I'm grasping for some logic as to which is the better "bang for the buck" between the 2 close rivals (fx3 vs. c70). Looking at your video, it appears fx3 would be a clear winner. But looking at Thomas Kovacik's video, he moved from the fx3 to a c70 in a year - hence, scratching my head. I believe I'm swayed by the fx3 (or fx30 if price is considered) for shooting at low light... But anyway, thanks for your input!
As someone who started with a canon r6/tons of rf glass and switched to the fx3, there's one thing to think about. Yes, the FX3 is far more reliable for filming (especially longer format content), but the canon r6 is a budget hybrid shooter. Instead of canon limiting video modes, they tried to open up the full potential of the camera with the drawback of overheating. I agree that 4k24 should ever overheat but even the A7IV (released a few years later) only offered 4k60 at a noticable crop. Also, another thing that you didnt talk about was the monitor quality. My R6 monitor is significantly higher quality than the fx3. I dont trust the monitor on the fx3 to accurately depict the final video product, whereas I can rock my canon r6 without an external monitor. Ultimately I am super happy with my FX3, but the canon r6 is still an incredible piece of technology that allowed me to grow my skills into an actual "cine" camera. And I will add that both cameras produce awesome images, but clog3 was easier/more forgiving for me to grade and be happy with (especially when I was first getting started) compared to slog3 cinegamut (or something like that). Awesome video and a good perspective, especially since I keep seeing stuff with creators going the opposite way (FX3 to C70)
I work in AV at a local college and was tasked to research and buy $60K in camera gear for events and live-streaming. Before I was a Canon shooter, I shot film on a Nikon FM2N. My inclination was to go with Canon, but the deciding factor was LOW LIGHT PERFORMANCE! You are spot on with this video. The worst part of the whole experience was training my brain to to associate SONY with pro camera gear and not just TVs and PlayStations.
Use the phantom LUTs by Joel famularo. I use the neutral legacy lut and adjust brightness on all my videos and it’s literally the most aesthetically looking piece of video you’ll enjoy 👍
dude, you are not being honest about the stabilization on the fx30. at 3:21 that is a major problem that you skipped over like we didnt see it and for those of us with the camera, we cant unsee it!.
I switched from the EOS R to the A7III last year and never looked back. The overheating thing is weird, I’ve seen reports of the A7IV overheating but I let mine record 4K 50fps 10 bit 4:2:2 outside during the heatwave this year and it recorded until the SD card filled up or the battery died. I think a lot of people forget to set the ‘auto power off temp’ to high.
EOS R was a sick camera! No overheating there at all hahaha I think the A7IV can overheat in 10-bit 4K 60fps but I only shoot short bursts in that mode
Is A7SIII good for 4k 60? I have an Eos R, was thinking of upgrading to R5 for 4K 120 but now as the canon banned 3rd party lenses. I am thinking of switching to Sony. Which camera do you suggest?
Im a Nikon hybrid shooter - totally agree with all the points you've made here. Im hoping to move to Sony soon, but Im waiting and hoping the new rear tilt/swivel screen will appear in a A7C body, plus I hear the auto white balance in the A7R5 is actually usable, so fingers crossed that finds its way into new Sony cameras.
Overheating was only one of the considerations - lenses were a big one too. The R6 II does look good though! Shame they haven’t squashed overheating entirely
@@ItsTomRich Yeah, i also made the switch from Canon to Sony 1,5 years ago. Third party lenses, IBIS wobble and 30 minutes recording limit was my main factors.
How have you found the FX30 compared to the A7IV? I know they both offer different things but do you think the A7IV would make a good B-cam to the FX6? Also what made you pick up the FX30 if you had the FX6? :)
Appreciate it bro thank you 👊🏻 The FX30 is a sick B-cam to the FX6. I basically wouldn't have bought the FX30 if it wasn't so cheap. The main reason is that so I can have two tiny cameras (A7IV and FX30) in one backpack and don't lose quality without bringing the FX6. I bought the FX6 cos I do a ton of interview type shooting - and just love a cinema camera setup. Takes so much stress out of audio/battery life etc. I didn't actually need it, it's more like, the ideal setup for my company if that makes sense
@@ItsTomRich Makes perfect sense man! The benefit of having the A7IV as well is you have a decent photography camera if you need it! Looking forward to conent you make with these!
I speak to sooo Many professionals About how they hate the digital Sony look and how you have to work the image, they go back to black magic or Canon. But for TH-cam creators Sony is alwways the Right choice because people like to click on Sony related content (you know this)
I have to agree. TH-camr, photographer, videographer I consider them differently, different contents. As photographer, I don’t find much of differences across systems. All system provides you ability to create photos, videos, etc. switching gears and all that is more about acquisition syndrome.
With regards one of your issues with Canon, I think prohibiting 3rd party lenses is to set legal precedent for when they do open the mount to 3rd party lens manufacturers. And Canon will.
U can b lil bit patient slow n smooth while ur trying to explain what u know in excitement...it's not that I didn't like it...its nice but most don't like to get words thrown on them rapidly 🙂
@@ItsTomRich I want to move to a more professional body, and at the higher end, the Canon cameras simply have a better image. The FX6 and FX9 don't produce a better image than the FX3/A7SIII and are actually more of a pain in the ass to use, and have several annoying quirks. The CF Express Type A cards are also ridiculously expensive, but really should be used when shooting good sized budget work. Currently I'm probably going to go with a C500mkii, C70 and an R5, since I do some photography work, and having a C cam is always handy.
@@Lifeonbooks you’ll hate the c70. Cheap feeling body with wobbly screen. The c500 is great but quite expensive. Not worth the extra thousands you’ll be paying
@@Yupthereitism Canon is dropping two new cinema cameras in 2023, so the used market for the C500 should improve. On paper the camera checks literally every box I have.
Never been a fan of Sony cameras to be fair. Images are always "off" especially when it comes to colour science. But you are the professional and I love your videos so good luck 👍
The canon footage is just better... Former Sony user, and I'm fine with them for now. The Canon has better codecs and while Sony had great features, but wrestling with it in post is a pain. Sony build quality?? Have you seen the handle on the fx3 and 30? Who's paying you to say these things lmao.
Totally agree with the codecs actually! Canons are way better, though my M1 Max doesn’t struggle with any of the Sony codecs it’s much better to have way more choice. C70 had tons and I miss it 🥹 Other stuff, I’m definitely not being paid lol. Just reporting what I’m seeing! The C70 build quality was really pretty bad and all my Sonys feel really sturdy so far!
@@ItsTomRich i was only teasing about being paid Tom lol. Love your content bro! At the end of the day everyone should use what's good for them and sometimes thinking outside of a system let's you experience what works best for you. I left Sony because I felt others were being more plentiful with firmware updates and I love what canon is doing with the r5c and c70. Love the fact I get real exposure tools without an external monitor, shutter angle, and all the custom buttons I could use! I also feel clog2 & 3 were easier to deal with in post and I love the look Canon gives me without much fuss. I have an m1 and the Canon has been pretty good on my 16" MacBook pro.
The sony handles look boutique compared to those hinges and outer plastics of the c70😂. I found the highest settings on the c70 to be quite a pain to edit tbh. Although the footage looks quite nice out of the camera.
@@avishekghatak2176 fair enough but the handle is generally useless on the c70, as everyone cages it with a real handle. The Sony, you LOSE XLR if you ditch the handle. You're stuck with it and mounting a monitor on that plastic BS is awful and unbalanced.
@@ItsBerg yeah I feel like it was an after thought in order to make it seem separate enough from the a7s3 and part of the cinema line. But the fx30 is so much cheaper than the c70. Which is mainly why I’m leaning towards buying one. I understand that the canon’s size and physical buttons has some real advantages but for the price it is pretty outclassed. Like unless you’re already in the canon ecosystem or just a canon fan, there is no other reason to get it.
Put a bit of a stint in editing this one guys! Hope you enjoy 🙌 Excited to start my Sony journey once again 😎
Sooo, Tom. There's this YTube videographer named Thomas Kovacik that had a Sony FX3 for the past year and then just made a video recently that he switched to a Canon C70 ?!!! I haven't watched that video fully on why he changed his mind. But what are your thoughts? As a beginner videographer, I look at advice from those who have the budget to use a wide range of cinema cameras - and now it's getting more confusing for me on FX3 (or FX6) vs C70... Hope you can be able to shed some light - thanks again for your guidance!
@@arjonrivera8271 yo dude! Don’t overthink it too much - they’re all amazing. Have you thought about the FX30? Defo the cheapest!
@@ItsTomRich Thanks for your reply. Sorry, but in addition to my limited budget, I can't help but look at YTube videos of various filmmakers with what their experiences are with each camera that I'm comparing - to serve as a guide in helping me choose/buy my first entry-level cinema camera. I'm grasping for some logic as to which is the better "bang for the buck" between the 2 close rivals (fx3 vs. c70). Looking at your video, it appears fx3 would be a clear winner. But looking at Thomas Kovacik's video, he moved from the fx3 to a c70 in a year - hence, scratching my head. I believe I'm swayed by the fx3 (or fx30 if price is considered) for shooting at low light... But anyway, thanks for your input!
As someone who started with a canon r6/tons of rf glass and switched to the fx3, there's one thing to think about. Yes, the FX3 is far more reliable for filming (especially longer format content), but the canon r6 is a budget hybrid shooter. Instead of canon limiting video modes, they tried to open up the full potential of the camera with the drawback of overheating. I agree that 4k24 should ever overheat but even the A7IV (released a few years later) only offered 4k60 at a noticable crop. Also, another thing that you didnt talk about was the monitor quality. My R6 monitor is significantly higher quality than the fx3. I dont trust the monitor on the fx3 to accurately depict the final video product, whereas I can rock my canon r6 without an external monitor. Ultimately I am super happy with my FX3, but the canon r6 is still an incredible piece of technology that allowed me to grow my skills into an actual "cine" camera. And I will add that both cameras produce awesome images, but clog3 was easier/more forgiving for me to grade and be happy with (especially when I was first getting started) compared to slog3 cinegamut (or something like that). Awesome video and a good perspective, especially since I keep seeing stuff with creators going the opposite way (FX3 to C70)
I've used sony, from a7iii, a7siii, fx3 to the fx6. And the color/image always bothered me. I love canon colors
This is one of the things I’ll miss for sure! Though S-Cinetone is very very good
@@ItsTomRich yeah s cinetone is legit, but man… that canon c log 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I will miss CLOG 2 big time 🥹
Shoot in S Log 3, and colour grade in Resolve using CST, and Canon colours will be a distant memory
Great timing on the FX6, they're widely available now after being out of stock for the best part of a year!
I know! I’ve been on a waiting list for ages 😩
Canon’s ibis is far superior except on ultra wide lenses in video. However, I don’t know why you’d be walking while vlogging for a client?
Don’t agree really. I’d never walk & vlog for a client, but I do shoot handheld a lot and sometimes that involves walking while filming
I work in AV at a local college and was tasked to research and buy $60K in camera gear for events and live-streaming.
Before I was a Canon shooter, I shot film on a Nikon FM2N.
My inclination was to go with Canon, but the deciding factor was LOW LIGHT PERFORMANCE!
You are spot on with this video.
The worst part of the whole experience was training my brain to to associate SONY with pro camera gear and not just TVs and PlayStations.
Use the phantom LUTs by Joel famularo. I use the neutral legacy lut and adjust brightness on all my videos and it’s literally the most aesthetically looking piece of video you’ll enjoy 👍
This is for SLOG 3 footage? Sounds awesome!
Lenses and ecosystem is huge. Being able to use any other Sony camera and lens anytime anywhere is awesome
Where I live, the Sony fx30 and the Canon eos r6 are priced the same.. I'm torn on which one would be the best for shooting Gym/MMA video content.
dude, you are not being honest about the stabilization on the fx30. at 3:21 that is a major problem that you skipped over like we didnt see it and for those of us with the camera, we cant unsee it!.
What issues you seeing? It’s more reliable so far for me than R6’s
I switched from the EOS R to the A7III last year and never looked back. The overheating thing is weird, I’ve seen reports of the A7IV overheating but I let mine record 4K 50fps 10 bit 4:2:2 outside during the heatwave this year and it recorded until the SD card filled up or the battery died. I think a lot of people forget to set the ‘auto power off temp’ to high.
EOS R was a sick camera! No overheating there at all hahaha
I think the A7IV can overheat in 10-bit 4K 60fps but I only shoot short bursts in that mode
Is A7SIII good for 4k 60? I have an Eos R, was thinking of upgrading to R5 for 4K 120 but now as the canon banned 3rd party lenses. I am thinking of switching to Sony. Which camera do you suggest?
@@sushantsaxena5071 A7SIII basically rhe perfect video camera for its form factor
Im a Nikon hybrid shooter - totally agree with all the points you've made here.
Im hoping to move to Sony soon, but Im waiting and hoping the new rear tilt/swivel screen will appear in a A7C body, plus I hear the auto white balance in the A7R5 is actually usable, so fingers crossed that finds its way into new Sony cameras.
Did you think about getting the R6 mark II before you switched?
Overheating was only one of the considerations - lenses were a big one too. The R6 II does look good though! Shame they haven’t squashed overheating entirely
@@ItsTomRich Yeah, i also made the switch from Canon to Sony 1,5 years ago. Third party lenses, IBIS wobble and 30 minutes recording limit was my main factors.
@@ItsTomRichThe Canon R6 Mark ii does not overheat... All cameras can be made to overheat...
@@lbeetech It does there are tests already. Though I agree way improved over the R6 mark 1
@ItsTomRich All cameras can be made to overheat if that's what you want to do...
Canon's overheat made me switch to Sony. Loving the Sony A7sIII and soon I'll get a A7IV to replace my Canon 5D MKIV.
Nice man! Congrats on the switch 🙌
Meanwhile my bmpc6k has never skipped a beat😊
How have you found the FX30 compared to the A7IV? I know they both offer different things but do you think the A7IV would make a good B-cam to the FX6?
Also what made you pick up the FX30 if you had the FX6? :)
Also great video btw, really like the editing style 👊
Appreciate it bro thank you 👊🏻 The FX30 is a sick B-cam to the FX6. I basically wouldn't have bought the FX30 if it wasn't so cheap. The main reason is that so I can have two tiny cameras (A7IV and FX30) in one backpack and don't lose quality without bringing the FX6. I bought the FX6 cos I do a ton of interview type shooting - and just love a cinema camera setup. Takes so much stress out of audio/battery life etc. I didn't actually need it, it's more like, the ideal setup for my company if that makes sense
@@ItsTomRich Makes perfect sense man! The benefit of having the A7IV as well is you have a decent photography camera if you need it!
Looking forward to conent you make with these!
Great points as for my I love my Cannon EOS M50n MKII although it's mainly because it's cheaper then any Sony.
Agree! I think Canon is more accessible to get into :)
I speak to sooo Many professionals About how they hate the digital Sony look and how you have to work the image, they go back to black magic or Canon. But for TH-cam creators Sony is alwways the Right choice because people like to click on Sony related content (you know this)
I have to agree. TH-camr, photographer, videographer I consider them differently, different contents. As photographer, I don’t find much of differences across systems. All system provides you ability to create photos, videos, etc. switching gears and all that is more about acquisition syndrome.
I’m so glad I switch canon to fx30.
Sony sucks. Image looks so digital and fake. May be worth ut gor photography but filmaking it's a absolute no
YES, This!
Disagree personally, but each to their own 🥲
Canon blows. They’re overpriced and their build quality is suspect.
I think you will regret this. Especially c70 to fx6
Why? I love it already haha
I'm thinking to switch from a c70 - Rp to a a7IV - fx30. What do you think?
I'm more of a hybrid Photo-Video shooter
Keep the c70 and go for r6ii!!!
Good switch, but not if you do any studio work or lots of stuff outside! I always need a camera with internal ND really hence why I got the FX6 too
With regards one of your issues with Canon, I think prohibiting 3rd party lenses is to set legal precedent for when they do open the mount to 3rd party lens manufacturers. And Canon will.
I'd love to agree with you! I really want to see it happen. But it's already been 4 years and that's too long :( Hopefully soon.
No they won’t
U can b lil bit patient slow n smooth while ur trying to explain what u know in excitement...it's not that I didn't like it...its nice but most don't like to get words thrown on them rapidly 🙂
How TF did you get your hands on an FX6? 😅
Hahah, there was a big stock delivery in November! I reckon you should be able to find one now- though I was on a waitlist
Funny, I'm thinking of switching the other way.
Why?
@@ItsTomRich I want to move to a more professional body, and at the higher end, the Canon cameras simply have a better image.
The FX6 and FX9 don't produce a better image than the FX3/A7SIII and are actually more of a pain in the ass to use, and have several annoying quirks.
The CF Express Type A cards are also ridiculously expensive, but really should be used when shooting good sized budget work.
Currently I'm probably going to go with a C500mkii, C70 and an R5, since I do some photography work, and having a C cam is always handy.
@@Lifeonbooks go for it, i did and couldn't be happier
@@Lifeonbooks you’ll hate the c70. Cheap feeling body with wobbly screen. The c500 is great but quite expensive. Not worth the extra thousands you’ll be paying
@@Yupthereitism Canon is dropping two new cinema cameras in 2023, so the used market for the C500 should improve. On paper the camera checks literally every box I have.
Never been a fan of Sony cameras to be fair. Images are always "off" especially when it comes to colour science. But you are the professional and I love your videos so good luck 👍
I agree in some instances - but they’ve got a whole bunch better which is cool. S-Cinetone colour science is amazing
Shoot in S Log 3, and colour grade in Resolve using CST, and Canon colours will be a distant memory
Things must have changed a bit over the last 25 years: Working in maintenance, Canon was the choice of harsh environment like crazy safaris.
I think it's slightly different at the top pro level. 1DX's are still absolutely favourites for pro photogs where they're doing a lot of travel
worth it ;)
Hahaha soni gang
Welcome to SONY GANG TOM
Thank you bro 🤝
Seems insane to me that you would use a R6 on a professional shoot
Why? Not every job that's paid requires literally top line gear - I probably made like $30K using the R6 as a primary stills cam haha
The canon footage is just better... Former Sony user, and I'm fine with them for now. The Canon has better codecs and while Sony had great features, but wrestling with it in post is a pain. Sony build quality?? Have you seen the handle on the fx3 and 30? Who's paying you to say these things lmao.
Totally agree with the codecs actually! Canons are way better, though my M1 Max doesn’t struggle with any of the Sony codecs it’s much better to have way more choice. C70 had tons and I miss it 🥹 Other stuff, I’m definitely not being paid lol. Just reporting what I’m seeing! The C70 build quality was really pretty bad and all my Sonys feel really sturdy so far!
@@ItsTomRich i was only teasing about being paid Tom lol. Love your content bro! At the end of the day everyone should use what's good for them and sometimes thinking outside of a system let's you experience what works best for you. I left Sony because I felt others were being more plentiful with firmware updates and I love what canon is doing with the r5c and c70. Love the fact I get real exposure tools without an external monitor, shutter angle, and all the custom buttons I could use! I also feel clog2 & 3 were easier to deal with in post and I love the look Canon gives me without much fuss. I have an m1 and the Canon has been pretty good on my 16" MacBook pro.
The sony handles look boutique compared to those hinges and outer plastics of the c70😂. I found the highest settings on the c70 to be quite a pain to edit tbh. Although the footage looks quite nice out of the camera.
@@avishekghatak2176 fair enough but the handle is generally useless on the c70, as everyone cages it with a real handle. The Sony, you LOSE XLR if you ditch the handle. You're stuck with it and mounting a monitor on that plastic BS is awful and unbalanced.
@@ItsBerg yeah I feel like it was an after thought in order to make it seem separate enough from the a7s3 and part of the cinema line. But the fx30 is so much cheaper than the c70. Which is mainly why I’m leaning towards buying one. I understand that the canon’s size and physical buttons has some real advantages but for the price it is pretty outclassed. Like unless you’re already in the canon ecosystem or just a canon fan, there is no other reason to get it.
Sounds pretty stupid to me...
lol
You’re pretty dumb