having used both i'm praying that TH-cam improves the chat/moderation side of things quickly, it's the main feature that's really lagging behind Twitch right now
@@samurogamer i think youtube is trying more of a professional side to streaming without all this "unprofessional cruft" like bits and big number of badges or custom emotes
We streamed our live games on Twitch for a while and uploaded different content on YT. The YT channel started to grow slowly over time. We had the talk that we didn’t like having to split the content between two platforms due to Twitch only being a Live stream platform. We moved completely to YT with all of our content, and although we don’t stream as much our turnouts have been better on YT. For us it was one of the best decisions we made a creators back in January.
My huge problem with TH-cam, which became a dealbreaker for me, is that, as it was mentioned, livestreams are undiscoverable. If you're a streamer *only,* then it would make sense to switch to TH-cam if you have an audience already because people will search for *you* specifically. But if you have no one to search for your channel, nobody is gonna see your stream on TH-cam. However, on Twitch people can directly dive into a category they're interested in, and they can stumble upon you easier than here.
@@NintendoCade arguments? I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean that absolutely no one can become a streamer on TH-cam from 0 subs, but, e.g., I'm a viewer. How am I supposed to search for livestreams of Far Cry, if there are no categories or filters on TH-cam? Almost no one is going to "live" tab just for the sake of scrolling random streams - we, as viewers, search for something according to our interests atm. Not to mention that, like on Twitch, the streams on top of the page are always the most "popular" ones.
@@aleatar i agree. As a viewer im interested in food streams, and its impossible to discover streamers in this category on youtube for me. Unless im already subbed to them. There is no way to filter them out, its heavily focused on gamingstreams and they only show a handful of streams for browsing at the time. Realisticly there are prob more food streamers on youtube than twitch, its just impossible for me to find them through livestreaming.
@@ASpoonfulofNorway exactly, that's my point. As a viewer, I won't sit all day searching and searching for livestreams I like, I'll just go to Twitch. And as a streamer, I usually hope to find mutuals who share my interests and all, and that interest is what exactly I'm streaming atm. That's how you find your "own" audience. And only after you establish your own audience people will search for you because of YOU, and not only because of your interests. Streamer Valkyrae would be the great example.
Agreed. TH-cam needs to update their UI and focus more on live streaming. They don't even have a tab for live streaming. It's all a jumbled mess. Until TH-cam finds a away to clearly define what's live content versus what's recorded content. Discoverability on TH-cam is still hard because you're still gambling on the algorithm to shine its light on you.
Thank you for this video, this really helped me a lot since I have never even considered looking at TH-cam live streaming more. Now thinking about it with this new perspective, it actually makes me feel more comfortable with the idea of trying to stream on youtube, since I genuinely enjoy making a variety of videos and content.
I think there are some great points in this, I recently moved from splitting my time between youtube and twitch streaming, to only streaming on twitch. I found that though my numbers were significantly larger on youtube vs twitch, there was huge difference in the community. Twitches user experience is so much more welcoming and interactive whereas youtube's felt colder, at time's it felt like people were discovering a livestream for the first time, when visiting my youtube streams. Another big difference from a business point of view was that despite having several hundred average views more on youtube, the earnings were on par or much less than on twitch and I don't think that's necessarily due to the monetization options that were available. People were less likely to donate (on youtube), but when they did, more often than not, they donated considerably more. I hope that in the future youtube makes livestream both more searchable, but also their lives more user friendly, when that happens, I'll happily return.
I made the decision back in January to fully move here, didn't do it just yet (haven't been streaming either), been finishing my studies. Now that I watched this video I feel good about it. Thanks again!
Currently only stream on TH-cam, I love the fact that everything I put out is on 1 platform so all my current viewers are involved. If I would move over to Twitch I think not all my TH-cam subscribers will move along with me and that scares me to make the jump...
Yeah dude it's easier having your videos and livestreams in one place. I been having a blast streaming on TH-cam these past couple months. I think it's easier to grow on TH-cam than twitch there's so many people on twitch it's hard to get found by people sometimes I think
Personally I’ve made the decision to stream to both platforms separately depending on which timezone. Having such a small audience and doing this full time allows me to experiment on TH-cam, whilst I focus on Twitch. That way it covers both bases!
Most other videos i've seen it's always "I'm a TH-camr and this is why TH-cam is better", or "I'm a Streamer of Twitch and this is why Twitch is better". (at least in my experience....) Then we got Harris here, "I've used both, but switched to YT. Here's pros and cons of both platforms. It's up to you to figure which one is best for you." Really like the video - very informative and gives a look into both sides.
I mainly stuggle with all those features, that twitch has like donation notifications, or making something appear on screen when someone subscribes or whatever. Streamelements is kinda broken right now
The only thing I wonder about is whether or not the ability to move people over is something to even worry about. Is it possible that the people who WOULDNT move from your Twitch to your TH-cam are the same people who would either way not enjoy that content as much? Is it better to have a dedicated place for those who enjoy watching Live Content and (a different place for) those who enjoy watching Produced content? Instead of capitalizing on the conjoined numbers?
as a music producer ; integrating all content onto TH-cam or several channels for more niche content. Super helpful video all around though, thanks Harris!
I’ve been streaming one day on TH-cam and one on twitch recently. I’ve noticed getting viewers from TH-cam to go to twitch (using my long/short form content) is VERY low, but my current TH-cam community enjoy coming out to a livestream on TH-cam. What’s been nice as well is having someone who has clearly just watched a video jump into my live stream as it’s on the channel and talk about it, or even refer to a video listed on my channel, have them watch it and jump back in stream without having to leave TH-cam. The potential is massive and a few more weeks of feeling things out and a move might happen
I could never imagine myself leaving Twitch until other services offer a similar community vibe and features. Sub perks, channel points, integrations, emotes, raids, hosts, etc... I couldn't imagine streaming without any of those.
@Caowl i think youtube is trying a more professional streaming then twitch so they are are trying to do without cruft like channel points custom emotes and such, and truth be told i dont see why they are necessary to me youtube feels a lot better but yes if you are just streaming gaming those are cool but if you are streaming other things those just seem unprofessional
@@jaydad1227 Because it allows for your viewers to 1) be rewarded for watching you. 2) it game-ifies the experience. And 3) viewers get to directly interact with the stream in a way they otherwise cant do. Like I have channel points that make things happen on stream, like sound alerts
imo mixer was better but sold it to fb gaming and just r uined everyones grind even mind i had a good 500 followers was easy for people to get follows and attention. people who got partnered or whatever it was just thrown away just like that.
I'm planning on making How to Do Voiceovers On Garageband on TH-cam. There are so few about just VO and more about music. So I use your guides to work out things and skills to learn. Cheers!
1:00 literally the most important thing in the video. Goes for all forms of social media. I wouldn't even stream on TH-cam unless you have a significant audience on TH-cam already.
You’ve earned me as a fan after I heard you say this. ”nobody looks at the panels on twitch” I’ve never heard anyone say to a streamer big or small. Nice twitch panels.
I started Twitch streaming because I had a lot of friends who were also doing it, and I've met more friends on there since. Switching to TH-cam would just feel empty. There's gonna have to be another huge change in either companies for me to move as of now.
I'm surprised you never brought up one of the biggest cons of TH-camrs streaming on Twitch: TH-cam doesn't like it when you send people to their competitors website (no social media does). I wish we could know what extent this affects the algorithm but there is no doubt that TH-cam wants people to stay on their platform and if you promote your Twitch too much this can have a negative effect on your channel.
I'm not saying this isn't true, but do you have any real documentation or proof of this or is this just conjecture? I'd like to see something to actually back this up. Facebook definitely suppresses your outgoing links and outside content, in favor of boosts and paid advertising, but I don't know that to be true or documented for TH-cam.
We haven't streamed at all yet, but TH-cam seems to be where we're gonna just post up. Why complicate things with multiple platforms when TH-cam seems to be the perfect all-in-one. The main difference seems to be the culture, and since we have no following anyways might as well stay where there's at least a chance of discoverability, right?
I think the reason I'm afraid to leave twitch is twitch prime and watching ads for bits. That way some viewers (especially a young teen audience) can support a streamer they enjoy watching without having to spend the little amount of money they have
12k subs on youtube. 2k followers on Twitch. Thing is my youtube channel does put out the highlights from the twitch channel - about 50% of the videos. Most of my yt is spent doing games you can't live stream. Like voice acting/reading for instance. You can't really stream that. So thats what about 80% of my yt channel consists of. Its hard to find a flow tbh
In my recent searches I’ve came across your videos many times, and for the ones that I’ve watched, all of my questions have been answered. Keep up the good work and content
I have been streaming crafting content in Makers and Crafting over on Twitch but it just really feels futile and that there is a ceiling since there aren't many viewers in that category overall. I'm going to try out TH-cam streaming and posting tutorial videos and see what happens!!
I haven’t been this early for a video in forever. Lol. I hope everything works out for you man. Much love for all the help you have provided and will provide in the future. Great video 🙏🏻
I actually got one of my YT videos hit with a copyright claim using the hip hop streambeats. I forgot which song it was, but the claim came up from a Spanish label.
His eyes do look more lively, maybe he has been contemplating it for awhile. He may be successful but losing that much revenue in a move like this is stressful for sure.
Im on TH-cam, creating videos surrounding my Livestreams on TH-cam. It is tough to get discovered or started I should say but I'm learning all of this. It's tough but I enjoy the growth that is coming from this. I'm Glad you are here now! I look forward to jumping in your stream! I hope you can talk to TH-cam on trying to build a streaming community here!
I've been a TH-camr for about 6 years and a twitch streamer for 5. On twitch the community aspect has helped and brought a crazy amount of challenges to me as an creator being someone who interest lies in walkthrough, making music, doing let's plays etc etc. My TH-cam has always been a outlet for game guides and new set pieces. I tried streaming before when TH-cam Gaming actually had a website and it was pleasant but the way TH-cam is set up I can't bring myself to want to stream on TH-cam especially considering my viewership on TH-cam only come for answers to puzzles in their favorite video games or to hear the latest news. Converting such a niche TH-cam channel into a hybrid gaming channel like on my twitch has been successful for me because TH-cam just hasn't provided that space for gamers like twitch has. I am at an crossroads and I wanted this video to help me but just made me more indifferent. I'm happy for you tho.
Haven't decided yet, but since I started a TH-cam channel my views on Twitch suddenly increased by a lot. It shows that growing on Twitch on it's own is just... the hardest. Thanks for all the advice always, and good luck on your new adventure! :)
Harris: Twitch is dying and they need to do something about it. 2019: Twitch vs TH-cam vs Facebook vs Mixer 2020: Twitch vs TH-cam vs Facebook 2021 Twitch vs TH-cam 2022: Twitch
That and monetizing again, I switched to twitch 2 months ago 37 followers with little to no marketing, feel like I'll get 50 in a month. TH-cam 188 subs in 5 years
I can see why you made the move and it makes sense and I greatly appreciate the insight. For now I believe my best move is to continue to stream on Twitch while I work on growing my TH-cam channel since it has only just started. That said I might end up making the same move in a year or two's time depending on how TH-cam and Twitch change and what happens overall with my TH-cam channel.
Harris I think I know how to make Live streams more discoverable at least for someone just clicking on the stream at any given point. TH-cam or the streaming platform would allow the content creator to make a 10-30 second preview of the live stream that the new viewer would have the option to click on first and then be directed into the stream. Imagine a pop up window but with actual content specifically designed for your audience. For example: A fortnite youtube doing open lobby custom games could say " Hello viewer___________ I am playing fortnite customs and you can join. We are doing shotguns only and then playing hide and seek with two seekers. Come and join the game and get a chance to play with me. This mini preview pop up would make live streaming far more discoverable and give the viewer actually context into what is happening instead of just the description or title of the stream which is extremely limited. I'd love to go into this more and build this idea out!
A full video on this would be nice and it's probably coming. He has mentioned on the youtube live stream that it's best to unlist the stream after it's finished because it will affect your numbers negatively. Most people just watch small portions of the entire stream and the algorithm currently doesn't like that.
I have a second thought to switch to twitch because I want to livestream more often but I feel like I will abandon my viewers on TH-cam so I stay. Even though it is hard to promote livestream on TH-cam.
I produce a stream and have 2 of my own (1 personal and one podcast). The one I produce wanted to move to TH-cam because they felt like it was there best bet for being discovered. I am going along with that just to keep the design aspect straight in my own head (just working on TH-cam related elements). My huge problem is that TH-cam's API has been changed according to StreamElements and things like sub alerts are delayed by hours. I am a small streamer and losing that kind of interactivity sucks right now. I want to be able to welcome new subscribers with open arms, not find out the next day about them.
Been very curious to hear your comments on this! Hope you'll do a follow up on this later - commenting before I've watched here so you may address this. Thanks for the videos!
Definitely Twitch. TH-cam now gives you strikes for advertising your twitch channel, and I dont think anyone should support scummy practices like that.
I think I might stick to trying my luck on Twitch for the monetization aspect. However, I have this channel for song covers but it's old so I started a new one for gaming. Sounds like maybe I am safer keeping the same channel? I may or may not continue doing music related stuff.
The number one thing I hate about watching live streamers on youtube is the layout, it's the same as the static content which means you get a tiny window (unless you go cinema mode and lose chat) and an awful tiny chat window. Whatever happened to the youtube gaming platform they launched that had a similar style layout as twitch and was some what browseable? one thing that youtube does have that doesn't really get mentioned alot is the premier/sheduled streams that give notiifcations to subs, you can even not as a sub set a reminder fo the start of the stream.
I appreciate the breakdown of Pro's and Con's of both platforms. We started a music channel a little over a year ago now on Twitch and have these conversations all the time about where we should be streaming to.
One big reason I never streamed on TH-cam: Several countries in the world still don't have the ability to send or receive superchats/donations via TH-cam. Which includes Malaysia, where I live. So, I just can't make any money off donations on TH-cam, even if the viewer is from a country that allows superchat such as India or US. If this wasn't the case, I would never even think about Twitch.
Yay, does this mean we get more educational videos on TH-cam streaming now? I've always consumed a lot of content here on TH-cam than on Twitch so I'm not as familiar with the Twitch culture and have a better understanding of what a YT viewer feels (I think). This video makes me think I made the right choice. Thank you! I just started streaming a few weeks ago thanks to your videos!
People have said low view counts on your TH-cam stream can negatively affect the way the algorithm pushes your channels main videos. What are your thoughts on that?
Pretty sure that's not how the algorithm works. You need fancy thumbnails and interesting titles. Then TH-cam advertises you harder depending on watch time you receive on your videos
I appreciate your input and thought process for all of this. Ive been grinding on twitch and it's not enjoyable. With TH-cam it's enjoyable that my content works while I'm sleeping!
I've done some streaming on TH-cam this year and want to move here permanently, but I have friends that also stream on Twitch and most of them don't come to my TH-cam streams. Not knocking them because I understand some people only stay on Twitch to watch streams. I just have more subs on YT than I have followers on Twitch and I've noticed a bit more discoverability. I feel like I'll move here eventually.
That makes so much sense, live is hard. Compared to posting videos for clicking. Interesting point that I never thought of. But I have been taking advice from social media with a grain of salt at some points, my perspective is if I am going to be on twitch live then post content for TH-cam I may as well be on one platform, hence TH-cam, however I have not made that change yet and I'm not growing on Twitch in the last 3 years I've been streaming. I'm in a middle funk. Not sure where to go at this point. I also have an etsy shop. I have literally spread myself thin at this point and haven't made as much TH-cam content. Not enough hours in the day especially when you aren't generating any revenue.
The breakdown of who should stream where got me thinking even harder on all this. My wife and I have a TH-cam channel with 162k and we made twitch partner fast but growth has been sloooow. Streaming on TH-cam makes more sense for us and it’s something I’ve been contemplating for a while. Switching is scary.
Great advice been streaming for about a year and a half on youtube and its just amazing still struggling to get monetized but I'm closer than ever before and dont think I will ever go to twitch not that I dont like it its a great platform just prefer streaming on TH-cam.
I feel even after streaming on Twitch for the last 12mths and gaining one (yes, one) payout in that time (started streaming in April, affiliate in July). I am going to give YT streaming a go and see what happens; what’s the worst that came happen? I’ve gained 420 followers on twitch in 12mths; so surely grinding hard on YT will bring more even with providing content to YT.
I'm debating on starting to stream and haven't decided on a platform. Most of the reasoning seems to center on existing audience. I know for sure I need a youtube channel and I do know I'd be a variety/diverse content creator so that does lean me towards TH-cam but Twitch just feels...warmer. You get to setup channel rules and get custom stream redeems. I'm still in my research/planning phase but its started to look like the only way is to just experiment and find out.
Also when you say diversify content, I get nervous personally with that, SO many big TH-camrs say stick to a niche.. but I want to have diverse stuff, gaming , Travel etc
Great pro/con comparison! I would also love to add that twitch also has waaay better integrations between extensions and streamlabs/stream elements. This makes for a much more enjoyable and interactive live experience.
So much of the experience I've crafted for my own viewers relies on Twitch's viewer interaction features, particularly channel points and extensions. As appealing as TH-cam's far better discoverability is, I would rather make the best experience I can for a smaller audience and make sure they really enjoy their time and come back for more, as opposed to just making an average experience for viewers, who then are less likely to tune back in in the future. If TH-cam can catch up with twitches viewer interaction features, that will be the day I jump ship without a second thought. But for now, the closest you can do on TH-cam is through a third party service, like streamlabs or stream elements, which is kind of clunky for interaction, and in my opinion brings the experience down dramatically.
Bro!!!! I've started watching you a few weeks ago..... Still lots I gotta watch ..... And yesterday was my first stream on twitch ... You are going to be my spirit guide through this journey 🙏
This is interesting. I would wonder how many people have notifications on, I don't (though I am subscribed to a looot of channels). But also I watch three youtubers who either also stream or who only exclusively stream and, except for one, they all use twitch. They have existing audiences on one platform and yet choose to use the other. That suggests to me there's some benefit, in their eyes at least, to twitch streaming.
Harris mentioning falling in the TH-cam rabbit holes......... Me realizing this is how I ended up here after looking for webcam advice thinking of starting a stream. ......I felt that
Interesting and enlightening information. I have been deciding to try out TH-cam for a while now. I'm not exactly aiming to make this a job or career, but I do find making videos and streaming fascinating. After listening to your words, I think I will start jumping over to TH-cam. I spend most of my time here anyway and I am sure TH-cam as a business will try to catch up to Twitch in the future.
Great video! I've given up on growing on twitch. I've really buckled down on making content on TH-cam with high quality videos, seeing growth from that. However I'm also restreaming. Makes more sense to me to expose myself on as many platforms as possible since I'm small and just starting out. For me it's about exposure first, just getting noticed. I know a lot of people will say it splits an audience, it doesn't. Everyone's chat is merged into 1 so no matter what platform you like, my stream will be on there. I've had people have discussions from twitch to YT viewers. Works great
i havent started to stream yet my main content is on youtube. already have 11k on youtube. if i decide to ever stream, ill probably stream on youtube. i think this would be better for over all growth.
I am doing full time youtube right now and no streaming because all I have is streaming off my phone and I feel no one wants the low quality phone streams. So, till my computer decides to be good and stream again (it's a power issue in my house I feel but can't even afford that.) and can't afford a new computer either despite selling merch okay because...adulting sucks. So I post art videos on this website every so often because I have a day job that wont let me do this full time.
I started on youtube. First started editing videos of my live streams. streaming games. Then started jus live streaming now I do both. I sit at 123 subscribers and it's been that way for 3 weeks. I keep putting out videos. I have widened my game variety that I play. I have gotten myself new equipment. But the more I better myself it's like my YT career isn't going anywhere? This is why I clicked this video on what I should do.
Hey Harris! I found something about TH-cam that's really interesting and I want to hear you talk about it. So, the copyright claim system has been abused a lot on TH-cam and it's not a new thing. Some showed and tried the methods to combat this copyright claim system by *ALSO* abusing it too (As shown in "Abusing TH-cam Copyright Claims (Tutorial)" by The Original Ace). Basically, music that you own gets published through a music distributor (DistroKid, etc) and then the company will search your music on your behalf and copyright claim it through Content ID. Note that you can't copyright claim videos on your own because you are an individual and not considered as a company (The music distributor will act as the company). If you aren't eligible for TH-cam Partner Program already, getting copyright claimed will "force" ads to appear on your video. You can collect money through the music distributor through that, but that's just changes for pocket money. What I think this might be really useful for is as shown by what "ymfah" is doing (as shown in their "How to Break TH-cam (Copyright Claim your own video) video"). Even if his video got copyright claimed by some company (or just some scummy douchebags), he still gets 50% since he also claims his own video through a company. So instead of all his video's effort getting taken, at least he gets some percentage of his video's monetization (50% if claimed by two companies, 33% by three, and so on I think).
I think something you should've told is to make an audience on your second yourube channel if you'll stream there from Twitter and Instagram before starting to stream there. That way the channel will be ready before you'll start and you'll be a bit mote sure of you'll succeed or not.
I’m about to start my career into streaming but also short clips and possibly other content. So what you said is in line with my thinking. For me, most likely gonna go with TH-cam. I would say though the defining decision between the two aside from the flexibility for visibility is the monetization and the community. TH-cam has that ability to be flexible and get your content out there and get seen, but making it get monetized is much harder; whereas you have a community on twitch that is on there for the obvious reason, to watch people play games; however, it’s lost on me due to the research I’ve done where getting visibility is just as hard if not harder for someone who is about to start.
something cool here I was using obs normally it would not do gamecapture but when I downloaded streamelements it started working so if obs is giving problems with gamecapture then download streamelements
I given me alot to think about. To be honest I can't decide where to stream games. I mean is twitch still a good place to live stream even with a few bad things I heard about. I want to be part of going community where I can get along and chat while entertaining and playing.
You made a decision, yet, or are you still thinking?
definitley still thinking
Chose twitch
TH-cam suck twitch better
Still team youtube all the way👍
Just Twitch. If I get big I'll migrate to TH-cam
having used both i'm praying that TH-cam improves the chat/moderation side of things quickly, it's the main feature that's really lagging behind Twitch right now
That is true
What about it is bad?
@@HatchetMan302 Channel Points and stuff too! No sub badges and bit badges are there either?
@@samurogamer i think youtube is trying more of a professional side to streaming without all this "unprofessional cruft" like bits and big number of badges or custom emotes
oh yes, "E" spam
Harris hands down has the best streaming guide vids on TH-cam
Agreed. He's mastered the niche
Devin Nash is even better imo
@@kayanono Don't compare them. I love em both
@@illestvillain1971 Why? The advice Devin Nash gives is better imo. What is wrong about that?
U r 100% r8
I have 23 followers on Twitch and 31 subscribers on TH-cam.
A career-defining decision is at hand.
Well, you're ahead of me.
Millions of dollars on the line
I have a couple hundred on Twitch and none on TH-cam.
So......yeah.
Tread carefully and just accept its lonely at the top.
224 on twitch and 38 on TH-cam
We streamed our live games on Twitch for a while and uploaded different content on YT. The YT channel started to grow slowly over time. We had the talk that we didn’t like having to split the content between two platforms due to Twitch only being a Live stream platform. We moved completely to YT with all of our content, and although we don’t stream as much our turnouts have been better on YT. For us it was one of the best decisions we made a creators back in January.
I may or may have not started a second channel moving my live streams from twitch to that channel after seeing your announcement...
I love your channel
Also
YOU STREAM ON TWITCH ?
I didn't know that
Welp
Time to follow you there
Love your recipes! :D Thanks for all of them!
My huge problem with TH-cam, which became a dealbreaker for me, is that, as it was mentioned, livestreams are undiscoverable. If you're a streamer *only,* then it would make sense to switch to TH-cam if you have an audience already because people will search for *you* specifically. But if you have no one to search for your channel, nobody is gonna see your stream on TH-cam. However, on Twitch people can directly dive into a category they're interested in, and they can stumble upon you easier than here.
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@@NintendoCade arguments? I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean that absolutely no one can become a streamer on TH-cam from 0 subs, but, e.g., I'm a viewer. How am I supposed to search for livestreams of Far Cry, if there are no categories or filters on TH-cam? Almost no one is going to "live" tab just for the sake of scrolling random streams - we, as viewers, search for something according to our interests atm. Not to mention that, like on Twitch, the streams on top of the page are always the most "popular" ones.
@@aleatar i agree. As a viewer im interested in food streams, and its impossible to discover streamers in this category on youtube for me. Unless im already subbed to them. There is no way to filter them out, its heavily focused on gamingstreams and they only show a handful of streams for browsing at the time. Realisticly there are prob more food streamers on youtube than twitch, its just impossible for me to find them through livestreaming.
@@ASpoonfulofNorway exactly, that's my point. As a viewer, I won't sit all day searching and searching for livestreams I like, I'll just go to Twitch. And as a streamer, I usually hope to find mutuals who share my interests and all, and that interest is what exactly I'm streaming atm. That's how you find your "own" audience. And only after you establish your own audience people will search for you because of YOU, and not only because of your interests.
Streamer Valkyrae would be the great example.
Agreed. TH-cam needs to update their UI and focus more on live streaming. They don't even have a tab for live streaming. It's all a jumbled mess. Until TH-cam finds a away to clearly define what's live content versus what's recorded content. Discoverability on TH-cam is still hard because you're still gambling on the algorithm to shine its light on you.
Thank you for this video, this really helped me a lot since I have never even considered looking at TH-cam live streaming more. Now thinking about it with this new perspective, it actually makes me feel more comfortable with the idea of trying to stream on youtube, since I genuinely enjoy making a variety of videos and content.
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I think there are some great points in this, I recently moved from splitting my time between youtube and twitch streaming, to only streaming on twitch. I found that though my numbers were significantly larger on youtube vs twitch, there was huge difference in the community. Twitches user experience is so much more welcoming and interactive whereas youtube's felt colder, at time's it felt like people were discovering a livestream for the first time, when visiting my youtube streams.
Another big difference from a business point of view was that despite having several hundred average views more on youtube, the earnings were on par or much less than on twitch and I don't think that's necessarily due to the monetization options that were available. People were less likely to donate (on youtube), but when they did, more often than not, they donated considerably more.
I hope that in the future youtube makes livestream both more searchable, but also their lives more user friendly, when that happens, I'll happily return.
I made the decision back in January to fully move here, didn't do it just yet (haven't been streaming either), been finishing my studies. Now that I watched this video I feel good about it. Thanks again!
As someone who is launching a stream next month, this is the most relevant video I have seen on the topic. Thanks, Harris. Rock on man.
Did you make a choice on which platform?
@@SoloAdvocate Im guesing not YT lol
Currently only stream on TH-cam, I love the fact that everything I put out is on 1 platform so all my current viewers are involved. If I would move over to Twitch I think not all my TH-cam subscribers will move along with me and that scares me to make the jump...
Yeah dude it's easier having your videos and livestreams in one place. I been having a blast streaming on TH-cam these past couple months. I think it's easier to grow on TH-cam than twitch there's so many people on twitch it's hard to get found by people sometimes I think
Personally I’ve made the decision to stream to both platforms separately depending on which timezone. Having such a small audience and doing this full time allows me to experiment on TH-cam, whilst I focus on Twitch. That way it covers both bases!
Been thinking about doing this for a bit now. How is it going for you?
How’s it going?
Most other videos i've seen it's always "I'm a TH-camr and this is why TH-cam is better", or "I'm a Streamer of Twitch and this is why Twitch is better". (at least in my experience....)
Then we got Harris here, "I've used both, but switched to YT. Here's pros and cons of both platforms. It's up to you to figure which one is best for you."
Really like the video - very informative and gives a look into both sides.
I mainly stuggle with all those features, that twitch has like donation notifications, or making something appear on screen when someone subscribes or whatever.
Streamelements is kinda broken right now
i use streamlabs! sooo easy! uses more cpu tho
The only thing I wonder about is whether or not the ability to move people over is something to even worry about. Is it possible that the people who WOULDNT move from your Twitch to your TH-cam are the same people who would either way not enjoy that content as much? Is it better to have a dedicated place for those who enjoy watching Live Content and (a different place for) those who enjoy watching Produced content? Instead of capitalizing on the conjoined numbers?
The guy who made me the streamer I am today. AlphaGaming Family❤️
as a music producer ; integrating all content onto TH-cam or several channels for more niche content. Super helpful video all around though, thanks Harris!
I can’t wait for TH-cam clips to be available for everyone
I’ve been streaming one day on TH-cam and one on twitch recently. I’ve noticed getting viewers from TH-cam to go to twitch (using my long/short form content) is VERY low, but my current TH-cam community enjoy coming out to a livestream on TH-cam. What’s been nice as well is having someone who has clearly just watched a video jump into my live stream as it’s on the channel and talk about it, or even refer to a video listed on my channel, have them watch it and jump back in stream without having to leave TH-cam. The potential is massive and a few more weeks of feeling things out and a move might happen
I could never imagine myself leaving Twitch until other services offer a similar community vibe and features. Sub perks, channel points, integrations, emotes, raids, hosts, etc... I couldn't imagine streaming without any of those.
@Caowl i think youtube is trying a more professional streaming then twitch so they are are trying to do without cruft like channel points custom emotes and such, and truth be told i dont see why they are necessary to me youtube feels a lot better but yes if you are just streaming gaming those are cool but if you are streaming other things those just seem unprofessional
@Caowl i tend to write code and chat with viewers(those 3 that i have)
He's too rich tho 10 20 k a month to just give up 😂 bet your twitch subs feel special
@@jaydad1227 Because it allows for your viewers to 1) be rewarded for watching you. 2) it game-ifies the experience. And 3) viewers get to directly interact with the stream in a way they otherwise cant do. Like I have channel points that make things happen on stream, like sound alerts
imo mixer was better but sold it to fb gaming and just r uined everyones grind even mind i had a good 500 followers was easy for people to get follows and attention. people who got partnered or whatever it was just thrown away just like that.
I'm planning on making How to Do Voiceovers On Garageband on TH-cam. There are so few about just VO and more about music. So I use your guides to work out things and skills to learn. Cheers!
Would love a video breaking down how and why I should stream on main channel or second channel.
I'm personally going to stream on main channel, i think it has more benefits than cons. Since it will help the youtube algorithm
I'd like a video on how to transition from Twitch to TH-cam as seamlessly as possible.
I'd say make a second channel. Nick Nimmin said on one of his livestreams that they always lose subscribers when they do livestreams
Devin Nash says to stream to main channel and unlist the video.
@@MoronacityCom i wonder why unlist since it's a free videob
1:00 literally the most important thing in the video. Goes for all forms of social media.
I wouldn't even stream on TH-cam unless you have a significant audience on TH-cam already.
What if you want to start a new channel on TH-cam 0 subs and Twitch 0 followers? Which would be better
@@joshua2510 TH-cam to make videos
@@diehardGG kk
For a DJ streamer like myself youtube isn't a very good o option. I switched to twitch only about a year ago because youtube kept killing the stream.
But Twitch also has on stream DMCA. You can't avoid really avoid it without big risks of a proper performance license.
You’ve earned me as a fan after I heard you say this. ”nobody looks at the panels on twitch” I’ve never heard anyone say to a streamer big or small. Nice twitch panels.
I started Twitch streaming because I had a lot of friends who were also doing it, and I've met more friends on there since. Switching to TH-cam would just feel empty. There's gonna have to be another huge change in either companies for me to move as of now.
Great video! Thank you - it helps a lot. I am too small on YT but my concept works on Twitch right now ... and I love the community!
I'm surprised you never brought up one of the biggest cons of TH-camrs streaming on Twitch: TH-cam doesn't like it when you send people to their competitors website (no social media does). I wish we could know what extent this affects the algorithm but there is no doubt that TH-cam wants people to stay on their platform and if you promote your Twitch too much this can have a negative effect on your channel.
Do they just suppress your views somehow or something?
@@clarkstelter7010 That's what he is implying.
I'm not saying this isn't true, but do you have any real documentation or proof of this or is this just conjecture? I'd like to see something to actually back this up. Facebook definitely suppresses your outgoing links and outside content, in favor of boosts and paid advertising, but I don't know that to be true or documented for TH-cam.
I thought Sam addressed this and said that he doesn't think it affects your numbers
I got a strike for it, so they're definitely not trying to hide it anymore :)
We haven't streamed at all yet, but TH-cam seems to be where we're gonna just post up. Why complicate things with multiple platforms when TH-cam seems to be the perfect all-in-one. The main difference seems to be the culture, and since we have no following anyways might as well stay where there's at least a chance of discoverability, right?
I think the reason I'm afraid to leave twitch is twitch prime and watching ads for bits. That way some viewers (especially a young teen audience) can support a streamer they enjoy watching without having to spend the little amount of money they have
agreed
12k subs on youtube. 2k followers on Twitch. Thing is my youtube channel does put out the highlights from the twitch channel - about 50% of the videos. Most of my yt is spent doing games you can't live stream. Like voice acting/reading for instance. You can't really stream that. So thats what about 80% of my yt channel consists of. Its hard to find a flow tbh
Love the “channel gets discovered” humility. Respect
In my recent searches I’ve came across your videos many times, and for the ones that I’ve watched, all of my questions have been answered. Keep up the good work and content
Thank you. For making my panels mean nothing. *slowly walks into tomato town*
I have been streaming crafting content in Makers and Crafting over on Twitch but it just really feels futile and that there is a ceiling since there aren't many viewers in that category overall. I'm going to try out TH-cam streaming and posting tutorial videos and see what happens!!
Very beautiful Thumbnail Sam
I haven’t been this early for a video in forever. Lol. I hope everything works out for you man. Much love for all the help you have provided and will provide in the future. Great video 🙏🏻
I love that you swapped from twitch to youtube, I don't watch on twitch but I like watching you now on youtube! :D
I actually got one of my YT videos hit with a copyright claim using the hip hop streambeats. I forgot which song it was, but the claim came up from a Spanish label.
I don’t know how to pinpoint it, but Harris you look a lot like you’ve slept well lately. Glad you’re doing well
His eyes do look more lively, maybe he has been contemplating it for awhile. He may be successful but losing that much revenue in a move like this is stressful for sure.
Im on TH-cam, creating videos surrounding my Livestreams on TH-cam. It is tough to get discovered or started I should say but I'm learning all of this. It's tough but I enjoy the growth that is coming from this. I'm Glad you are here now! I look forward to jumping in your stream! I hope you can talk to TH-cam on trying to build a streaming community here!
Just switched to TH-cam streaming as well!!
Welcome!
@@SpaceLegends thanks for having me
I've been a TH-camr for about 6 years and a twitch streamer for 5. On twitch the community aspect has helped and brought a crazy amount of challenges to me as an creator being someone who interest lies in walkthrough, making music, doing let's plays etc etc. My TH-cam has always been a outlet for game guides and new set pieces. I tried streaming before when TH-cam Gaming actually had a website and it was pleasant but the way TH-cam is set up I can't bring myself to want to stream on TH-cam especially considering my viewership on TH-cam only come for answers to puzzles in their favorite video games or to hear the latest news. Converting such a niche TH-cam channel into a hybrid gaming channel like on my twitch has been successful for me because TH-cam just hasn't provided that space for gamers like twitch has. I am at an crossroads and I wanted this video to help me but just made me more indifferent. I'm happy for you tho.
Haven't decided yet, but since I started a TH-cam channel my views on Twitch suddenly increased by a lot. It shows that growing on Twitch on it's own is just... the hardest. Thanks for all the advice always, and good luck on your new adventure! :)
I grow every day on twitch but loose followers on my TH-cam lol :P
@@ZebiShredz same I'm growing faster on twitch then TH-cam
I’ve been working on my YT channel for the last month and I’m happy here, streaming, nerdy vlogs and tech reviews, shorts all in one place 🤓
Harris: Twitch is dying and they need to do something about it.
2019: Twitch vs TH-cam vs Facebook vs Mixer
2020: Twitch vs TH-cam vs Facebook
2021 Twitch vs TH-cam
2022: Twitch
2023: [Nothing]
2023: OnlyFans
2024:Rumble
2025: The Return of Myspace
@@MasterBlek 2025 Part2: The Dead of Myspace.
Super excited for more TH-cam content!!! Also that squad wipe at the end?!?!? Lets go Harris!!!😁
really wish youtube would allow all streamers the ability to clip things instead of just partnered streamers
That and monetizing again, I switched to twitch 2 months ago 37 followers with little to no marketing, feel like I'll get 50 in a month. TH-cam 188 subs in 5 years
@@Do2MuchJay 58 followers and 20ish subs, im affiliated
Great! Thank you for sharing! I built my gear for Streaming from all your recommendations
NO WAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED
I can see why you made the move and it makes sense and I greatly appreciate the insight.
For now I believe my best move is to continue to stream on Twitch while I work on growing my TH-cam channel since it has only just started. That said I might end up making the same move in a year or two's time depending on how TH-cam and Twitch change and what happens overall with my TH-cam channel.
Almost no one goes to youtube and think "which livestream should I watch today?"
Harris I think I know how to make Live streams more discoverable at least for someone just clicking on the stream at any given point. TH-cam or the streaming platform would allow the content creator to make a 10-30 second preview of the live stream that the new viewer would have the option to click on first and then be directed into the stream. Imagine a pop up window but with actual content specifically designed for your audience.
For example: A fortnite youtube doing open lobby custom games could say " Hello viewer___________ I am playing fortnite customs and you can join. We are doing shotguns only and then playing hide and seek with two seekers. Come and join the game and get a chance to play with me.
This mini preview pop up would make live streaming far more discoverable and give the viewer actually context into what is happening instead of just the description or title of the stream which is extremely limited. I'd love to go into this more and build this idea out!
What I wanna know is if you should stream on your main channel or make one just for streaming.
I'm 100% streaming on my main channel, i honestly think the youtube algorithm likes we use their features
A full video on this would be nice and it's probably coming. He has mentioned on the youtube live stream that it's best to unlist the stream after it's finished because it will affect your numbers negatively. Most people just watch small portions of the entire stream and the algorithm currently doesn't like that.
I have a second thought to switch to twitch because I want to livestream more often but I feel like I will abandon my viewers on TH-cam so I stay. Even though it is hard to promote livestream on TH-cam.
It's far easier for me to grow on TH-cam than twitch!
I produce a stream and have 2 of my own (1 personal and one podcast). The one I produce wanted to move to TH-cam because they felt like it was there best bet for being discovered. I am going along with that just to keep the design aspect straight in my own head (just working on TH-cam related elements). My huge problem is that TH-cam's API has been changed according to StreamElements and things like sub alerts are delayed by hours. I am a small streamer and losing that kind of interactivity sucks right now. I want to be able to welcome new subscribers with open arms, not find out the next day about them.
Jokes on you if you think TH-cam actually notifies people when videos are posted by their subscribers 😂
Actually they do, check your junk inbox. My partner follows my YT account and gets an email every time I stream
Been very curious to hear your comments on this! Hope you'll do a follow up on this later - commenting before I've watched here so you may address this. Thanks for the videos!
Definitely Twitch.
TH-cam now gives you strikes for advertising your twitch channel, and I dont think anyone should support scummy practices like that.
You say this but I still see it happen a lot and also the main news articles stating this are from 2018
@@Stallzyx I got a strike for it two weeks ago.
@@Aci_yt that only you. 1 person. A ton of other ytbers advertise there twitch and don’t get strike
@@Aci_yt not for this. Did you just have a video that was like "now live on twitch"? That's always been against the rules
I think I might stick to trying my luck on Twitch for the monetization aspect. However, I have this channel for song covers but it's old so I started a new one for gaming. Sounds like maybe I am safer keeping the same channel? I may or may not continue doing music related stuff.
1 dislike? THIS MAN IS A LEGEND
So true, I got 500+ subs on YT and only 18 followers on twitch. It so aggravating sometimes, thank for this info and knowledge...
The number one thing I hate about watching live streamers on youtube is the layout, it's the same as the static content which means you get a tiny window (unless you go cinema mode and lose chat) and an awful tiny chat window. Whatever happened to the youtube gaming platform they launched that had a similar style layout as twitch and was some what browseable? one thing that youtube does have that doesn't really get mentioned alot is the premier/sheduled streams that give notiifcations to subs, you can even not as a sub set a reminder fo the start of the stream.
I appreciate the breakdown of Pro's and Con's of both platforms. We started a music channel a little over a year ago now on Twitch and have these conversations all the time about where we should be streaming to.
One big reason I never streamed on TH-cam:
Several countries in the world still don't have the ability to send or receive superchats/donations via TH-cam.
Which includes Malaysia, where I live. So, I just can't make any money off donations on TH-cam, even if the viewer is from a country that allows superchat such as India or US.
If this wasn't the case, I would never even think about Twitch.
I like making 3 forms of content. Having fun growing snd meeting née people here on TH-cam. Great video 👍
Yay, does this mean we get more educational videos on TH-cam streaming now?
I've always consumed a lot of content here on TH-cam than on Twitch so I'm not as familiar with the Twitch culture and have a better understanding of what a YT viewer feels (I think). This video makes me think I made the right choice. Thank you! I just started streaming a few weeks ago thanks to your videos!
Alpha def helped me make my decision to stay on youtube. I jus hope I don't get discouraged. I'm gona keep pushing forward
People have said low view counts on your TH-cam stream can negatively affect the way the algorithm pushes your channels main videos. What are your thoughts on that?
Pretty sure that's not how the algorithm works. You need fancy thumbnails and interesting titles. Then TH-cam advertises you harder depending on watch time you receive on your videos
I appreciate your input and thought process for all of this. Ive been grinding on twitch and it's not enjoyable. With TH-cam it's enjoyable that my content works while I'm sleeping!
I setup twitch but decided to do TH-cam! Fingers crossed and seeing where it goes 278 subs so far. Thanks for uploading
Good luck on youtube!
I'm switching too
@@DvalinGaming Thanks a lot man you too! All the best 🏆🙌🏻🤝
@@DvalinGaming given you a sub mate I’ll support and checkout your channel 👏🏻
thank you for sharing your UPS and DOWNS in this career. love you bro
I've done some streaming on TH-cam this year and want to move here permanently, but I have friends that also stream on Twitch and most of them don't come to my TH-cam streams. Not knocking them because I understand some people only stay on Twitch to watch streams. I just have more subs on YT than I have followers on Twitch and I've noticed a bit more discoverability. I feel like I'll move here eventually.
That makes so much sense, live is hard. Compared to posting videos for clicking. Interesting point that I never thought of. But I have been taking advice from social media with a grain of salt at some points, my perspective is if I am going to be on twitch live then post content for TH-cam I may as well be on one platform, hence TH-cam, however I have not made that change yet and I'm not growing on Twitch in the last 3 years I've been streaming. I'm in a middle funk. Not sure where to go at this point. I also have an etsy shop. I have literally spread myself thin at this point and haven't made as much TH-cam content. Not enough hours in the day especially when you aren't generating any revenue.
The breakdown of who should stream where got me thinking even harder on all this. My wife and I have a TH-cam channel with 162k and we made twitch partner fast but growth has been sloooow. Streaming on TH-cam makes more sense for us and it’s something I’ve been contemplating for a while. Switching is scary.
Great advice been streaming for about a year and a half on youtube and its just amazing still struggling to get monetized but I'm closer than ever before and dont think I will ever go to twitch not that I dont like it its a great platform just prefer streaming on TH-cam.
youtube is beta testing a clip function right now. i can see it on some channels where you can clip videos in general.
I feel even after streaming on Twitch for the last 12mths and gaining one (yes, one) payout in that time (started streaming in April, affiliate in July). I am going to give YT streaming a go and see what happens; what’s the worst that came happen? I’ve gained 420 followers on twitch in 12mths; so surely grinding hard on YT will bring more even with providing content to YT.
I'm debating on starting to stream and haven't decided on a platform. Most of the reasoning seems to center on existing audience. I know for sure I need a youtube channel and I do know I'd be a variety/diverse content creator so that does lean me towards TH-cam but Twitch just feels...warmer. You get to setup channel rules and get custom stream redeems. I'm still in my research/planning phase but its started to look like the only way is to just experiment and find out.
Also when you say diversify content, I get nervous personally with that, SO many big TH-camrs say stick to a niche.. but I want to have diverse stuff, gaming , Travel etc
Great pro/con comparison! I would also love to add that twitch also has waaay better integrations between extensions and streamlabs/stream elements. This makes for a much more enjoyable and interactive live experience.
That's true, streamlabs/stream Elements runs better with Twitch
@harrisheller I gain new viewers while I’m live on TH-cam all the time. I’ve been streaming on TH-cam for close to two years. Love your move sir!
So much of the experience I've crafted for my own viewers relies on Twitch's viewer interaction features, particularly channel points and extensions. As appealing as TH-cam's far better discoverability is, I would rather make the best experience I can for a smaller audience and make sure they really enjoy their time and come back for more, as opposed to just making an average experience for viewers, who then are less likely to tune back in in the future.
If TH-cam can catch up with twitches viewer interaction features, that will be the day I jump ship without a second thought. But for now, the closest you can do on TH-cam is through a third party service, like streamlabs or stream elements, which is kind of clunky for interaction, and in my opinion brings the experience down dramatically.
Bro!!!! I've started watching you a few weeks ago..... Still lots I gotta watch ..... And yesterday was my first stream on twitch ... You are going to be my spirit guide through this journey 🙏
I have literally been searching for info to make a decision on this exact subject all morning! Thank you! 😁
This is interesting. I would wonder how many people have notifications on, I don't (though I am subscribed to a looot of channels). But also I watch three youtubers who either also stream or who only exclusively stream and, except for one, they all use twitch. They have existing audiences on one platform and yet choose to use the other. That suggests to me there's some benefit, in their eyes at least, to twitch streaming.
How about TROVO? Pretty much the same as Twitch.
Harris mentioning falling in the TH-cam rabbit holes.........
Me realizing this is how I ended up here after looking for webcam advice thinking of starting a stream. ......I felt that
Interesting and enlightening information. I have been deciding to try out TH-cam for a while now. I'm not exactly aiming to make this a job or career, but I do find making videos and streaming fascinating. After listening to your words, I think I will start jumping over to TH-cam. I spend most of my time here anyway and I am sure TH-cam as a business will try to catch up to Twitch in the future.
Great video! I've given up on growing on twitch. I've really buckled down on making content on TH-cam with high quality videos, seeing growth from that. However I'm also restreaming. Makes more sense to me to expose myself on as many platforms as possible since I'm small and just starting out. For me it's about exposure first, just getting noticed.
I know a lot of people will say it splits an audience, it doesn't. Everyone's chat is merged into 1 so no matter what platform you like, my stream will be on there. I've had people have discussions from twitch to YT viewers. Works great
i havent started to stream yet my main content is on youtube. already have 11k on youtube. if i decide to ever stream, ill probably stream on youtube. i think this would be better for over all growth.
I am doing full time youtube right now and no streaming because all I have is streaming off my phone and I feel no one wants the low quality phone streams. So, till my computer decides to be good and stream again (it's a power issue in my house I feel but can't even afford that.) and can't afford a new computer either despite selling merch okay because...adulting sucks. So I post art videos on this website every so often because I have a day job that wont let me do this full time.
I started on youtube. First started editing videos of my live streams. streaming games. Then started jus live streaming now I do both. I sit at 123 subscribers and it's been that way for 3 weeks. I keep putting out videos. I have widened my game variety that I play. I have gotten myself new equipment. But the more I better myself it's like my YT career isn't going anywhere? This is why I clicked this video on what I should do.
Hey Harris! I found something about TH-cam that's really interesting and I want to hear you talk about it. So, the copyright claim system has been abused a lot on TH-cam and it's not a new thing. Some showed and tried the methods to combat this copyright claim system by *ALSO* abusing it too (As shown in "Abusing TH-cam Copyright Claims (Tutorial)" by The Original Ace).
Basically, music that you own gets published through a music distributor (DistroKid, etc) and then the company will search your music on your behalf and copyright claim it through Content ID. Note that you can't copyright claim videos on your own because you are an individual and not considered as a company (The music distributor will act as the company). If you aren't eligible for TH-cam Partner Program already, getting copyright claimed will "force" ads to appear on your video. You can collect money through the music distributor through that, but that's just changes for pocket money.
What I think this might be really useful for is as shown by what "ymfah" is doing (as shown in their "How to Break TH-cam (Copyright Claim your own video) video"). Even if his video got copyright claimed by some company (or just some scummy douchebags), he still gets 50% since he also claims his own video through a company. So instead of all his video's effort getting taken, at least he gets some percentage of his video's monetization (50% if claimed by two companies, 33% by three, and so on I think).
youtube copyright isnt perfect but its damn well better then any other copyright system found now
I think something you should've told is to make an audience on your second yourube channel if you'll stream there from Twitter and Instagram before starting to stream there. That way the channel will be ready before you'll start and you'll be a bit mote sure of you'll succeed or not.
I’m about to start my career into streaming but also short clips and possibly other content. So what you said is in line with my thinking. For me, most likely gonna go with TH-cam. I would say though the defining decision between the two aside from the flexibility for visibility is the monetization and the community. TH-cam has that ability to be flexible and get your content out there and get seen, but making it get monetized is much harder; whereas you have a community on twitch that is on there for the obvious reason, to watch people play games; however, it’s lost on me due to the research I’ve done where getting visibility is just as hard if not harder for someone who is about to start.
something cool here
I was using obs normally it would not do gamecapture but when I downloaded streamelements it started working so if obs is giving problems with gamecapture then download streamelements
I given me alot to think about. To be honest I can't decide where to stream games. I mean is twitch still a good place to live stream even with a few bad things I heard about. I want to be part of going community where I can get along and chat while entertaining and playing.