Most of the reviewers fault the S9 for not having mid and flagship specs. They forgot it was an entry-level full-frame camera. For me, they removed the necessary features. If they removed IBIS, open gate, moved to 8-bit then I would be furious because there are no workaround for those. EVF, grip, hotshoe, recording limit... those are all useless in talking head video which most youtubers do. They mount it somewhere facing them (you dont need EVF and grip then), then they use studio lights (you dont need a hotshoe then), they use external hdmi to record (you can bypass the recording limit then).
Yes I feel this is the point I was getting at. Previously owning a ZV-E10 taught me that alot of the hybrid features of the Lumix S5ii are really nice to have, but I could get almost the same results with a different body as long as I had the same senor and output.
Studiolight, HDMI Recording,… this does not sound like entrylevel and why not the S5ii or something similar than? Where‘s the benefit in this TH-camr usecase provided by the S9?
You're gonna be a great YT creator, for sure. Well put together, well spoken, video is crispy, presented well. Good luck on all your projects. On a sidenote, S5ii owner and user also, been in the Lumix game since GH4 -> GH5 -> GH6 -> and now the S5ii. For me, having that S9...light / small / compact, is my goal. The little brother to its big brother. Casual. Quick.
The thing that's missing is it's $300 less without a lens and the same price as s5ii with kit lens. Pricing makes no sense and this analysis of it being a gateway into the ecosystem would make sense if it was $1000. Shit even $1200. It was meant to compete with fuji x100v that's all it is. It was their attempt at trying to combat fujis inability to keep cameras in stock and enticing consumers with a full frame. For content creators this might be a cool camera but for everyone else it's not.
I hear what you're saying, but that is exactly who they made this camera for: Content Creators. The kit lens (20-60mm f/3.5) is a wonderful option that's around $250 on the used market. And then you have the i-Series primes from sigma which are compact and affordable at around $400 used. I agree it isn't the most affordable full frame camera, but the x100 is super35 not full frame and you can't switch the lenses.
I’m with you…finally some one who gets this camera … it’s almost as if none of the other reviewers can think outside the box they’ve pit themselves in. My take is it’s a cool, minimalist camera focussed on the future … I’m getting one
i look forward to watching your content. this was a breath of fresh air from the typical reviewer. I am sure with time and experience you might start to sound the same, but i doubt it because you clearly understand market target
This is a great entry level camera for entry and casual shooters. It comes packed with interesting features LUT and 6k Open gate. It is also suitable for short form video creations. If you want t shoot high resolution for longer form videos, then this is not for you. So it is perfect for people making high quality shorts or videos less than 15mins long. Couple this with Panasonic's latest 28-200mm lens, then you have yourself a well rounded camera.
Sub'd! Great video! I completely agree... and how do you only have 282 subscribers lol. We need more short and to-the-point content like this. I've mostly stayed in the APS-C and MFT space, because I want my setup as small and light as possible for traveling, but the S9 has seriously got me thinking... maybe... MAYBE, I could stuff the S9 and a small prime lens into my 1.6L Alpaca sling (which I did with my GX85 and took it around South America recently)
I see nothing wrong with MFT or s35. Some of the best cameras available are on those systems. As a working professional, FF gives me more flexibility, but it's nothing I couldn't already achieve on my smaller cameras. Sounds like you need the zve10ii or maybe the g9ii!
The genius move would have been to keep the EVF and make it more like the Canon R8. That is the best budget full frame camera on the market right now and it's cheaper with better specs...
@CartyMadeThis It's touted as an entry level short form creators camera and a compact full frame travel camera. Having an EVF would make it ideal for the latter. If it had an EVF, and pop up flash, I'd buy it with a 35mm and 50mm prime and take it everywhere.
I tested it out because I already have an S5IIX, just out of interest. I was surprised because it was smaller than expected and the S9 was really fun and the app is very good. I bought it straight away with a Sigma 20mm F2.
I want one just for the FUN factor. My two S5ii's are always rigged up for work, so it's not as fun to just lug them around all heavy throughout my day. (I still do it anyway)
Thanks so much man! Yeah I will be talking lots about the S5ii, and maybe if I can rent the S5 mark i, The Blackmagic Full Frame, and the Sigma FP I will compare them.
Great informative video, congrats. I have a question: how would you compare in a nutshell with the Sony A7C II ? are these comparable in any aspect ? I think the S9 shines more on the video side? Let me know your thoughts...or maybe can do a comparison review.
YAY i like these kinda simple vlogs. Just say what you want and mean, and come from a good place. Thanks for sharing friend! Help... i'm really thinking of pre ordering this sucker. But our local dealers don't get the same pancake lense freebie!! 😢 hahahahaha
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching, I just know alot of people are hating on a camera that could help alot of people create wonderful images. Honestly you;re better off converting an old vintage lens instead of using that f8 Pancake lens from Lumix. The canon FD or Minolta Rokkor series are great options.
Thank you. Saw/read too much elitist BS on this camera. So happy to see someone look at this camera from the perspective of the market that it seeks to serve.
I think when you take a step back and look at who this camera is for (aka not professionals) then you have alot more fun seeing what it could be for other people. I could use this as my walk around camera, while my S5ii remains my professional use case.
That would be mostly the bigger channels whom think they know it all. They don't and they need to be brought back down to Earth. Those spiting out their elitist BS on this camera, need not apply, but for some reason they are taking this Camera and Panasonic as their Personal Hate Agenda. They are truly exposing themselves for what they truly are. By the way, professionals not that long ago, were using Far Less. Plus some still are.
Yeah it's made for people who are in between the spaces that TH-camrs and Professionals occupy. As someone coming from TikTok, the S9 is going to do great on that platform.
I feel like the S9 has many features (full frame, VLOG, 10 bit, stabilization, etc.) that a creator would want. The G7 is a great pocket camera, but I personally can't buy anything with 8 bit video anymore
The "dream" camera is the one that you use to create the most with. That makes anything a dream camera. worry less about camera stats and more about creating :)
@@CartyMadeThis yeah, praise brands for camera for 5000 dollars with 3-min 4k, 5-min fhd and 1-min 8k because "it's content creator camera!!!". I think one thing is when people talk about cameras but don't shoot anything (I'm not in this group) and second is that camera brands create bad camera. You can always tell that "you can create magic with something when you understand lightning" and it's true but now you pay more for less. Now it's 15 min 4k for 1500 dollars, next time you'll pay 3000 dollars for 30 min 4k because "people don't need more". When A7III came out all filmmakers and youtubers moaning about 30 min record limit and now they are happy because S9 has 15? Ridiculous.
overheats after 150 min of recording? And priced 400 bucks lower than a ZV-E1 that doesn't have overheats, quickly? pricier, no mechanical shutter, no evf... and then its 12mp, with worse IBIS
Most of the reviewers fault the S9 for not having mid and flagship specs. They forgot it was an entry-level full-frame camera. For me, they removed the necessary features. If they removed IBIS, open gate, moved to 8-bit then I would be furious because there are no workaround for those. EVF, grip, hotshoe, recording limit... those are all useless in talking head video which most youtubers do. They mount it somewhere facing them (you dont need EVF and grip then), then they use studio lights (you dont need a hotshoe then), they use external hdmi to record (you can bypass the recording limit then).
Yes I feel this is the point I was getting at. Previously owning a ZV-E10 taught me that alot of the hybrid features of the Lumix S5ii are really nice to have, but I could get almost the same results with a different body as long as I had the same senor and output.
Why would you need full frame to do talking head videos though
@@TheMegabam5 is it illegal? Immoral?
Studiolight, HDMI Recording,… this does not sound like entrylevel and why not the S5ii or something similar than?
Where‘s the benefit in this TH-camr usecase provided by the S9?
@tomCGNpics The one thing the S5II cannot do is become small.
Tik tok replies brought me here , subbed 🙏🏾great video
Your tiktoks are changing the game! Can't wait to see what you make this year. especially wiuth the new BM Pixie
You're gonna be a great YT creator, for sure. Well put together, well spoken, video is crispy, presented well. Good luck on all your projects. On a sidenote, S5ii owner and user also, been in the Lumix game since GH4 -> GH5 -> GH6 -> and now the S5ii. For me, having that S9...light / small / compact, is my goal. The little brother to its big brother. Casual. Quick.
SUBSCRIBED homie !
I appreciate the support! Really want that to become a reality for me. Thanks homie
The thing that's missing is it's $300 less without a lens and the same price as s5ii with kit lens. Pricing makes no sense and this analysis of it being a gateway into the ecosystem would make sense if it was $1000. Shit even $1200. It was meant to compete with fuji x100v that's all it is. It was their attempt at trying to combat fujis inability to keep cameras in stock and enticing consumers with a full frame. For content creators this might be a cool camera but for everyone else it's not.
I hear what you're saying, but that is exactly who they made this camera for: Content Creators. The kit lens (20-60mm f/3.5) is a wonderful option that's around $250 on the used market. And then you have the i-Series primes from sigma which are compact and affordable at around $400 used. I agree it isn't the most affordable full frame camera, but the x100 is super35 not full frame and you can't switch the lenses.
I’m with you…finally some one who gets this camera … it’s almost as if none of the other reviewers can think outside the box they’ve pit themselves in. My take is it’s a cool, minimalist camera focussed on the future … I’m getting one
Enjoy it! let me know how it ends up working out for you
I totally think the s9 is the right shape for vlogging. I hate the fact that all we can get are big rigs to vlog.
That is the market it is made for! 1080p vlogging with a super small clean setup
i look forward to watching your content. this was a breath of fresh air from the typical reviewer. I am sure with time and experience you might start to sound the same, but i doubt it because you clearly understand market target
This is a great entry level camera for entry and casual shooters. It comes packed with interesting features LUT and 6k Open gate. It is also suitable for short form video creations. If you want t shoot high resolution for longer form videos, then this is not for you. So it is perfect for people making high quality shorts or videos less than 15mins long. Couple this with Panasonic's latest 28-200mm lens, then you have yourself a well rounded camera.
I think that is a great take!
How is it for use as a webcam for streaming? No one has mentioned that...
but a used ZV-E10 and a rokinon 12mm f/2 for streaming. No point in spending more.
Sub'd! Great video! I completely agree... and how do you only have 282 subscribers lol. We need more short and to-the-point content like this. I've mostly stayed in the APS-C and MFT space, because I want my setup as small and light as possible for traveling, but the S9 has seriously got me thinking... maybe... MAYBE, I could stuff the S9 and a small prime lens into my 1.6L Alpaca sling (which I did with my GX85 and took it around South America recently)
I see nothing wrong with MFT or s35. Some of the best cameras available are on those systems. As a working professional, FF gives me more flexibility, but it's nothing I couldn't already achieve on my smaller cameras. Sounds like you need the zve10ii or maybe the g9ii!
Great colour grading and a very balanced take on a very controversial camera.
Thank you! I have a few color tutorials uploaded as well if you want to take a look.
The genius move would have been to keep the EVF and make it more like the Canon R8. That is the best budget full frame camera on the market right now and it's cheaper with better specs...
I mean for that kind of camera, just buy the original lumix s5. This camera is meant to appeal to users who don't need an EVF.
@CartyMadeThis It's touted as an entry level short form creators camera and a compact full frame travel camera. Having an EVF would make it ideal for the latter. If it had an EVF, and pop up flash, I'd buy it with a 35mm and 50mm prime and take it everywhere.
Great video mate! Definitely on the dot of who this camera is for and why Lumix designed it👍🏻
YES! They designed it with someone in mind, and I think alot of people are just confused because the S5ii is already so good.
I tested it out because I already have an S5IIX, just out of interest. I was surprised because it was smaller than expected and the S9 was really fun and the app is very good. I bought it straight away with a Sigma 20mm F2.
I want one just for the FUN factor. My two S5ii's are always rigged up for work, so it's not as fun to just lug them around all heavy throughout my day. (I still do it anyway)
Great video! Looking forward to your videos! I shoot S5, S5markIIX and looking to adding the S9
Thanks so much man! Yeah I will be talking lots about the S5ii, and maybe if I can rent the S5 mark i, The Blackmagic Full Frame, and the Sigma FP I will compare them.
Really enjoyed your take on this from the perspective of who this camera was intended for. So refreshing! Great job!
Thank you so much!
I will get one to replace my heavy Lumix S1 ( awesome camera )
Yeah I feel like the S9 is great for travel!
Great informative video, congrats. I have a question: how would you compare in a nutshell with the Sony A7C II ? are these comparable in any aspect ? I think the S9 shines more on the video side? Let me know your thoughts...or maybe can do a comparison review.
I think the price points are very different, but I think the S9 is better for casual users and the A7Cii would be more of a professional option.
Sigma FP for cinema 12bit stays the best. But for photography it’s a bit lacking for his time outdated.
If only I didn't have to use the sigma fp with a gimbal or GoPro to track gyro data in order to get stable footage out of it :(
I think the Pani s9 is awesome, but I wish Pani had a few more and better really small and pancake lenses for it.
SIgma has the i-series lenses! not quite pancake (Except the 17mm f/4) however they are all incredible.
YAY i like these kinda simple vlogs. Just say what you want and mean, and come from a good place. Thanks for sharing friend!
Help... i'm really thinking of pre ordering this sucker. But our local dealers don't get the same pancake lense freebie!! 😢 hahahahaha
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching, I just know alot of people are hating on a camera that could help alot of people create wonderful images.
Honestly you;re better off converting an old vintage lens instead of using that f8 Pancake lens from Lumix. The canon FD or Minolta Rokkor series are great options.
For me I bought an s9 and was impressed enough I bought an s5iiX and 7 lenses 😂 so jumped into L mount with both feet.
That is EXACTLY what the s9 is for! Lumix (and L-mount in general) is such a great system. Welcome to the winning team!
S9 has let me see a lot of videos of small You Tubers like you that uses Lumix.
Thanks so much! Lumix is great in my opinion, love their camera's and tech support :)
Thank you. Saw/read too much elitist BS on this camera. So happy to see someone look at this camera from the perspective of the market that it seeks to serve.
I think when you take a step back and look at who this camera is for (aka not professionals) then you have alot more fun seeing what it could be for other people. I could use this as my walk around camera, while my S5ii remains my professional use case.
That would be mostly the bigger channels whom think they know it all. They don't and they need to be brought back down to Earth. Those spiting out their elitist BS on this camera, need not apply, but for some reason they are taking this Camera and Panasonic as their Personal Hate Agenda. They are truly exposing themselves for what they truly are. By the way, professionals not that long ago, were using Far Less. Plus some still are.
great video man,
Thanks so much!
Good explanation of for who the S9 is really for. Starting to make more sense to me now
Yeah it's made for people who are in between the spaces that TH-camrs and Professionals occupy. As someone coming from TikTok, the S9 is going to do great on that platform.
Well said.
Thanks! :)
what about adding a Finder on the S9
The EVF situation? It's a real shame. I can manage without a viewfinder, but I know many people who can't.
But the Canon G7 Mark II is about $500 - $600. That's what you should pay for a content creator camera.
I feel like the S9 has many features (full frame, VLOG, 10 bit, stabilization, etc.) that a creator would want. The G7 is a great pocket camera, but I personally can't buy anything with 8 bit video anymore
@@CartyMadeThis I mainly use stuff like that for filmmaking. For me 8 bit is fine for vlogging and basic content creation.
Same price for S5ii... Like why? No thanks! Only thing is seeing lots of complaints on moire of the S5ii/X
I haven't dealt with too much Moire ruining my shots on the s5ii, but the s9 is targeting a different audience.
hey man, what camera were u recording this video with?
Lumix s5ii!
I want a S9 just for the stabilisation - I have a A7R5 but need a second camera. I also would like something a bit less intimidating.
Definitely! One prime with the S9 would be a great video counterpart to your A7r5
Totally with you. People drooling over companies not making "their" dream camera.
No, people wants normal recording time, etc., not 39 presets in camera or sth. Who needs all 39?
@@rafanaluzie2062 You don't need it.. don't buy...no one is forcing you...but don't imagine what others need.
The "dream" camera is the one that you use to create the most with. That makes anything a dream camera. worry less about camera stats and more about creating :)
@@CartyMadeThis yeah, praise brands for camera for 5000 dollars with 3-min 4k, 5-min fhd and 1-min 8k because "it's content creator camera!!!". I think one thing is when people talk about cameras but don't shoot anything (I'm not in this group) and second is that camera brands create bad camera. You can always tell that "you can create magic with something when you understand lightning" and it's true but now you pay more for less. Now it's 15 min 4k for 1500 dollars, next time you'll pay 3000 dollars for 30 min 4k because "people don't need more". When A7III came out all filmmakers and youtubers moaning about 30 min record limit and now they are happy because S9 has 15? Ridiculous.
@@rafanaluzie2062 Whats your average record time per clip of video?
Overheats. Quickly. Pricey. no mech shutter. no EVF. pass
overheats after 150 min of recording?
And priced 400 bucks lower than a ZV-E1 that doesn't have overheats, quickly? pricier, no mechanical shutter, no evf...
and then its 12mp, with worse IBIS
I hear where you're coming from. The S5ii or FX30 might be more up your alley!