My headcanon that I made up is that the reason we see so many TMP kitbashes during the Dominion War is that Scotty helped make it work since he was around and likely working at Starfleet engineering 😊
😂😂 Makes perfect sense. He could turn anything into anything. I like that idea. Easily the greatest starfleet engineer of all time. They probably viewed him like Einstein 🖖
The Defiant was originally planned to be built in numbers and attack in swarms in the same vein as a Klingon bird of prey but more durable. Lots of firepower, high speed, high maneuverability, and low crew requirements with moderate survivability if engaged in an unfavorable way.
Yes, I'm still trying to find out how many loops they went through. 3333333333333... when I was a kid, I thought that was Data indicating that Riker might be right. There was no proof that the decompression would work, but otherwise they could be stuck in that loop (ominous voice) forever. 😄
I have always what the crew of the bozeman thought every time the loop occurred and they kept crashing into this strange starship that appeared out of nowhere.
Elkins has been know about for decades...On DITL its called the Griffon Class, and Ex Astris has the ship in Other Uncertain Starfeet vessels. If I was to change anything about this ship it would be the nacelles - I would change them to Intrepid versions and in terms of story the class was rushed into service and so were completed with existing stocks of TMP nacelles but later refit with Intrepids :)
Cool! Yes, the Nacelles don't make much sense. I can see how it would have been rushed into service during the Dominion War. I almost wonder if the Intrepid's nacelles would be too small. Maybe if it had some extra large ones, haha!
@RetroBadgerGaming The Intrepids nacelles should be fine as Elkins is similar in size to the actual Intrepid. I must check but this ship has 3 navigational deflector dishes. Yes it does lol - I suspect that power is not a problem for the class as it would likely use a Dual Warp Core configuration and the cores are likely to be individually less powerful than most cores but combined overpower them. 2 low maintenance cores like from the Nova Class would fit this
Two secondary hulls equals two warp cores. This means great shields and phaser power. It's as simple as that. Come on R.B. you know this stuff. Being an Admiral and all. 🙂👍
Love some of the more- Wild and wicked variants to these ships. I like the idea of ejecting warp cores and shedding engine nacelles that get damaged in battle or harsh conditions.
2:02 I recently commented on this but I feel like the Defiant-class had some complementary roles in a fleet but that is not how it was portrayed and they blew their one shot, no pun intended, at using the detachable "nose". That "last resort" weapon might be impressive but we never see it in action. Do any of the Defiant-class ship models come with this weapon? 5:33 Well, it *would* be in line with your engineering ship comment. Furthermore, I don't know if you recall this but the Nova-class actually has got a really potent shield recovery in canon. (45 seconds to fully recharge the shields, though they had to be dropped in order to facilitate this.)
The Elkins reminds me a lot of the Yeager class. Just one of those weird kit bashed designs. I think if it had extra power reserves then that would indicate they have two warp cores. Voyager apparently had two warp cores via MSD display but we only ever saw the one. I wonder if Worf was in command of the Defiant this particular match. Only he would say, "Perhaps today is a good day to die! Prepare for ramming speed!". I mean especially if you took out the bridge and they were in auxiliary control. Was it Miguel who said, "I believe we're in the clear." I was all, "Ya think!?!" So with no cloaking device for the Defiant is it the Sao Paulo renamed Defiant? As we know the second Defiant didn't have a cloaking device. As the Romulans had loaned Starfleet the cloak for the first Defiant. I swear there's phaser strips on the sides of the nacelles for the Defiant in front of the registry number. That's hilarious the game crashed after you rammed the Elkins lol.
The defiant in canon was more than capable of going up against upgraded excelsior's on even terms. Also you should try it with locking a tractor beam on the elkins and take it for a spin like the defiant did to that vorcha class vessel in way of the warrior.
@@RetroBadgerGaming selecting one of the four Fallback points causes you to auto-intercept the point, which will require maneuvering to face the direction to go. One other drawback is the fact that mass disruptor bolts can interfere (as with KM in-system warping).
@@TobysKpopTop50 It does. The Proxima was a take on the Yamato or Yamamoto from Starfleet Academy, Klingon Academy, Starfleet Command 1, 2, and Starfleet Command Orion Pirates.
Feels like the Defiant was a little overnerfed here, it can definitely punch up, considering how long it took fire from the Borg in first contact. It should at least be a lot more durable.
Its interesting the Elkins has a single warp core above the two stardrives (rather than a core in each one). Probably better protection at a cost of less warp power?
At first glance: "Ugg... ugly kitbash" 1 minute in: "Eh, it's not so bad." Final thoughts: I think it would be significantly improved if the kitbash didn't have inside rounded edges and seams showing that clearly ought to be seamlessly attached to each other. Other than that... yeah, I'm kinda into it.
Honestly, the Elkins doesn't even look like it was built for or by Starfleet. It's just too janky of a kitbash for it to be an official design. It looks like something some post-battle scavengers would cobble together from floating wreckage, to be used as a pirate vessel or security ship for some really backwoods independent colony somewhere. Honestly, that would even make the matchup versus the Defiant make sense, if the Defiant was sent to investigate rumors of a Starfleet ship preying on civilian shipping in some far-flung corner of space.
The Elkins is one of many kitbahes on DS9 that was fleshed out (a bit) in the DS9 Technical Manual. It's one of the few decent looking ones, as most of the others look horrible!
A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. To force them to acknowledge your greatness. Victory was within our grasp! Bajor! The Federation! the Alpha Quadrant! All lost!
Hahaha... I stopped watching mid-fight, so I only made a bad joke, but as for the fight... that dual drive section provides more power. That's how they regenerated their shields. That's also how their phasers had so much more power. One more bad joke... I think Worf was captain that day... off to Sto'vo'kor. 😀 Today IS a good day to die.
can someone explain to me the thinking is with the double secondary hull?? twin main engineering ?? 1 engineering for warp?? other for weapons and shields???? edit: why did the defiant only use single beam and not its cannons?
I love your work, I love your channel, you still rock completely...But. How in the name of all things holy, could you possibly not hate this kitbash LOL!!? It looks like a blue-eyed Wall-E wearing a very strange hat! It's awful. And also makes no sense. 80 or 100-year-old engines on it? So goofy.
LOL! That's a funny description. The only way it works in my head is that they were desperate for ships during the Dominion war and used old parts...maybe far fetched! Thanks about the channel 😀🖖
..... it's hard to understand why you would say that it's impossible for the defiant to win that, as a defiant is supposed to be the far more maneuverable ship. Once again, it seems like your flying is not up to the usual standards, because two critical times you turn right into the forward firing Arc of the Elkins and basically critically damaged yourself because you're just not paying attention. One time, all you had to do was just resume your thrust vector to the right and you would have gotten under the ship and been able to fire at the point you were trying to fire at, and probably hurt the ship enough to where you could have continued flying and probably destroy it. So I don't get why you gave up on this one so easily and so fast relative to other times. Yes, however the Elkins was designed, the phasers are very accurate and they're more powerful. However, there was still plenty chance for the defiant to take and win that battle. I'd like to see you redo it honestly.
😲ooh lol. I do like this one Admiral.. looks similar to the Yeager I saw MSR or Steve Peruski did, so many ships lol. and has power.. I this B'Elanna's Daughter is in command of that ship lol. or the engineer.. Also great tactics Admiral. I knew you where gonna ram.. lol. 😳😂''To Sto'Vo'Kor!'' but screen showed error square lol. oh gosh Admiral. love the battle and love these ships.. I did make a hmm well model with parts since that store had lots of Klingon Bird of Prey's and Maquis so mixed them and wow.. just saying.. lol As always , great battle a warrior's Battle Admiral.. !!😊🖖* there must be a Neelix torpedo somewhere laying about lol..
My headcanon that I made up is that the reason we see so many TMP kitbashes during the Dominion War is that Scotty helped make it work since he was around and likely working at Starfleet engineering 😊
😂😂 Makes perfect sense. He could turn anything into anything. I like that idea. Easily the greatest starfleet engineer of all time. They probably viewed him like Einstein 🖖
You forgot the secret weapon: beam Neelix aboard and have him serve "better than ratakjino" ratakjino to the crew of the USS Defiant. 🤢 ☕
They’d be up for days with food poisoning… hhhrrrrrrrr….
😂 I couldn't even do that to the Borg...
@@RetroBadgerGaming Neelix’s creations. The only substances ever encountered that the Borg can not assimilate.
@@nickthx1138 🤣🤣🤣
The Defiant was originally planned to be built in numbers and attack in swarms in the same vein as a Klingon bird of prey but more durable. Lots of firepower, high speed, high maneuverability, and low crew requirements with moderate survivability if engaged in an unfavorable way.
The massive shuttle bay door is great for decompressing if you lose all propulsion... the tractor beam will fail 😆.
🤣🤣 I suppose that's known as the "Cause and Effect Manoeuvre"? 😉
Yes, I'm still trying to find out how many loops they went through.
3333333333333... when I was a kid, I thought that was Data indicating that Riker might be right. There was no proof that the decompression would work, but otherwise they could be stuck in that loop (ominous voice) forever. 😄
I have always what the crew of the bozeman thought every time the loop occurred and they kept crashing into this strange starship that appeared out of nowhere.
Like popping the air from a balloon
Like the kitbash, looks like it's meant for work.
Elkins has been know about for decades...On DITL its called the Griffon Class, and Ex Astris has the ship in Other Uncertain Starfeet vessels. If I was to change anything about this ship it would be the nacelles - I would change them to Intrepid versions and in terms of story the class was rushed into service and so were completed with existing stocks of TMP nacelles but later refit with Intrepids :)
Cool! Yes, the Nacelles don't make much sense. I can see how it would have been rushed into service during the Dominion War. I almost wonder if the Intrepid's nacelles would be too small. Maybe if it had some extra large ones, haha!
@RetroBadgerGaming The Intrepids nacelles should be fine as Elkins is similar in size to the actual Intrepid. I must check but this ship has 3 navigational deflector dishes. Yes it does lol - I suspect that power is not a problem for the class as it would likely use a Dual Warp Core configuration and the cores are likely to be individually less powerful than most cores but combined overpower them. 2 low maintenance cores like from the Nova Class would fit this
Two secondary hulls equals two warp cores. This means great shields and phaser power. It's as simple as that. Come on R.B. you know this stuff. Being an Admiral and all. 🙂👍
You could use 2 lower end but more maintenance friendly cores like the Nova Classes core....simplifys maintenance and increases reliability
Love the Elkins, one of my favorites of the DS9 Frankenfleet.
(Also, the secondary hull is partially from an F14 Tomcat, if I recall)
That's so cool how it's partly based on a fighter jet 😂
Finally!
I've been waiting for someone to make this DS ( Dominion War frankenship! So glad to see it!
I find it interesting that most kitbashes with two secondary hulls have two warp cores, but not this one.
the engeneering sections look like the ones from the ambassador-yamagucci variant
first kit bash I've genuinely liked the look of👍
Love some of the more- Wild and wicked variants to these ships. I like the idea of ejecting warp cores and shedding engine nacelles that get damaged in battle or harsh conditions.
I like the idea and this is so much better than the Yager class but just feel the saucer is too far back
The Elkins Class was seen in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual so probably seen in the background during the Dominion War.
Cool 🖖
The Elkin looks like its "looking at you " with 2 cold blue mechanical eyes.
2:02 I recently commented on this but I feel like the Defiant-class had some complementary roles in a fleet but that is not how it was portrayed and they blew their one shot, no pun intended, at using the detachable "nose". That "last resort" weapon might be impressive but we never see it in action. Do any of the Defiant-class ship models come with this weapon?
5:33 Well, it *would* be in line with your engineering ship comment. Furthermore, I don't know if you recall this but the Nova-class actually has got a really potent shield recovery in canon. (45 seconds to fully recharge the shields, though they had to be dropped in order to facilitate this.)
Boom looks cool
The Elkins reminds me a lot of the Yeager class. Just one of those weird kit bashed designs. I think if it had extra power reserves then that would indicate they have two warp cores.
Voyager apparently had two warp cores via MSD display but we only ever saw the one.
I wonder if Worf was in command of the Defiant this particular match. Only he would say, "Perhaps today is a good day to die! Prepare for ramming speed!". I mean especially if you took out the bridge and they were in auxiliary control.
Was it Miguel who said, "I believe we're in the clear." I was all, "Ya think!?!"
So with no cloaking device for the Defiant is it the Sao Paulo renamed Defiant? As we know the second Defiant didn't have a cloaking device. As the Romulans had loaned Starfleet the cloak for the first Defiant. I swear there's phaser strips on the sides of the nacelles for the Defiant in front of the registry number.
That's hilarious the game crashed after you rammed the Elkins lol.
There's an exception to every rule, and the Elkins is the one for the ship with quantum torpedoes always win.
Well, a Star Trek RPG module book listed an Elkins-class USS Contemplation that had Ambassador parts instead of Connie parts...
Oh? Do you know the specific RPG work?
Would like to add to my collection...😎
@@MSR-1701 I'm not 100% sure, but Star Trek Adventures module, Gamma Quadrant sourcebook according to Memory Beta.
@@VanElson91701 thx! That gives me a starting point!😅👍😎😉
Enjoyed the video. Don't love that kitbash though.
The defiant in canon was more than capable of going up against upgraded excelsior's on even terms.
Also you should try it with locking a tractor beam on the elkins and take it for a spin like the defiant did to that vorcha class vessel in way of the warrior.
I like the sound of this new ships phaser as it starts
Definitely looks like a carrier to me and is rightfully so a nice little tank
Also, Aftermath ships are tough cookies!😅
probably the best ship to enter in fluidic space and explore it
Best advice for Extreme AI in QBP - use the Nav Fallback Points to get away
I didn't have the confidence too... I'm assuming it works better than the 'Intercept' Command? 😂
@@RetroBadgerGaming selecting one of the four Fallback points causes you to auto-intercept the point, which will require maneuvering to face the direction to go.
One other drawback is the fact that mass disruptor bolts can interfere (as with KM in-system warping).
Iv seen pics on Ex Astris website. For Deep Space Nine they made a physical model. Not sure it's on screen.
The Defiant has an aft end fetish! 😂😂😂
The Elkins, those dual engineering hulls look familiar. Would love to see the readme file.
reminds me of the Proxima class from ST Legacy
@@TobysKpopTop50 It does. The Proxima was a take on the Yamato or Yamamoto from Starfleet Academy, Klingon Academy, Starfleet Command 1, 2, and Starfleet Command Orion Pirates.
@@BertoPerez82
Two deflector dishes....
🤔
If I knew any better it looks like a pair of 🍼
@@Menaceblue3 That's one way to put it. :D
Definitely looks like one of those kitbashes they did with the extra Voyager parts they had during the dominion war 😝😆
Love those phaser sounds on the Elkins
Feels like the Defiant was a little overnerfed here, it can definitely punch up, considering how long it took fire from the Borg in first contact. It should at least be a lot more durable.
Granted, this Voyager class kitbash looks way better and sturdier than the horrible Yeager class lol
Its interesting the Elkins has a single warp core above the two stardrives (rather than a core in each one). Probably better protection at a cost of less warp power?
the Difaint is missing it 2 After Omni directional Phase beam emmiter nodes
Poor Sisko. I believe he was found of that ship lol.
That other ship a powerful little ship. Its like a small butch man ship lol.
can not wait for the last borg battle mission we go to earth
(Worf when asked about what he thinks of the Elkins.
"I'd hit that!"
Move to 5:50
A weird kind of beautiful...
The USS Elkins is a very interesting ship.
Mamma always said kitbashes are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. 🪶
At first glance: "Ugg... ugly kitbash"
1 minute in: "Eh, it's not so bad."
Final thoughts: I think it would be significantly improved if the kitbash didn't have inside rounded edges and seams showing that clearly ought to be seamlessly attached to each other. Other than that... yeah, I'm kinda into it.
Honestly, the Elkins doesn't even look like it was built for or by Starfleet. It's just too janky of a kitbash for it to be an official design. It looks like something some post-battle scavengers would cobble together from floating wreckage, to be used as a pirate vessel or security ship for some really backwoods independent colony somewhere. Honestly, that would even make the matchup versus the Defiant make sense, if the Defiant was sent to investigate rumors of a Starfleet ship preying on civilian shipping in some far-flung corner of space.
Should have disabled the impulse engines then run round it firing at all angles
That is a purpose built monstrosity. My other comment would be flagged.
The Elkins is one of many kitbahes on DS9 that was fleshed out (a bit) in the DS9 Technical Manual. It's one of the few decent looking ones, as most of the others look horrible!
The secondary Hull Is off of an F14 model
Ex Astris website has pictures of the filming model and did say it was based on an aeroplane.
That's so cool! 🖖
@RetroBadgerGaming I know right. Also, one of the original excelsior class concepts used oberth class styled nacelles.
A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. To force them to acknowledge your greatness.
Victory was within our grasp!
Bajor!
The Federation!
the Alpha Quadrant!
All lost!
🤣🤣🤣
Vroommm......here comes DEFIANT!
The USS Spare Parts or the USS Leftovers?
Voyager with a fat body and old warp nacelles. Nice 🖖
Every time I see the Elkins, all I can think about is the booby ship from the movie Battle Beyond the Stars LOL
The engineering sections almost look like the nacelle caps or deflector dishes from the enterprise A from beyond? Anyone else see it?
yeah, I got heavy 2009 vibes, like how they've copy-pasted engineering hulls like this everywhere on Kelvin timeline ships.
@@Tuning3434 yup it’s kinda like some odd kitbash of all the eras except disco and SNWorlds
DITLs picture of this class has it with a TOS engineering Hull 😂
Prepare for ramming speed!!! Lol
I like the Elkins but the several generations old nacelles are really jarring...
Hahaha... I stopped watching mid-fight, so I only made a bad joke, but as for the fight... that dual drive section provides more power. That's how they regenerated their shields. That's also how their phasers had so much more power.
One more bad joke... I think Worf was captain that day... off to Sto'vo'kor. 😀 Today IS a good day to die.
can someone explain to me the thinking is with the double secondary hull?? twin main engineering ?? 1 engineering for warp?? other for weapons and shields????
edit: why did the defiant only use single beam and not its cannons?
My time is now. First.
Love to know the capability of this ship
I love your work, I love your channel, you still rock completely...But. How in the name of all things holy, could you possibly not hate this kitbash LOL!!?
It looks like a blue-eyed Wall-E wearing a very strange hat! It's awful. And also makes no sense. 80 or 100-year-old engines on it? So goofy.
LOL! That's a funny description. The only way it works in my head is that they were desperate for ships during the Dominion war and used old parts...maybe far fetched! Thanks about the channel 😀🖖
..... it's hard to understand why you would say that it's impossible for the defiant to win that, as a defiant is supposed to be the far more maneuverable ship. Once again, it seems like your flying is not up to the usual standards, because two critical times you turn right into the forward firing Arc of the Elkins and basically critically damaged yourself because you're just not paying attention. One time, all you had to do was just resume your thrust vector to the right and you would have gotten under the ship and been able to fire at the point you were trying to fire at, and probably hurt the ship enough to where you could have continued flying and probably destroy it. So I don't get why you gave up on this one so easily and so fast relative to other times. Yes, however the Elkins was designed, the phasers are very accurate and they're more powerful. However, there was still plenty chance for the defiant to take and win that battle. I'd like to see you redo it honestly.
So they made the intrepid even more female-looking?
Heinous
It's always fun watching the Defiant get destroyed.
First
Can't you turn on the tractor beams (alt-T IIRC) to stop them ramming you?
😲ooh lol. I do like this one Admiral.. looks similar to the Yeager I saw MSR or Steve Peruski did, so many ships lol. and has power.. I this B'Elanna's Daughter is in command of that ship lol. or the engineer.. Also great tactics Admiral. I knew you where gonna ram.. lol. 😳😂''To Sto'Vo'Kor!'' but screen showed error square lol. oh gosh Admiral. love the battle and love these ships.. I did make a hmm well model with parts since that store had lots of Klingon Bird of Prey's and Maquis so mixed them and wow.. just saying.. lol As always , great battle a warrior's Battle Admiral.. !!😊🖖* there must be a Neelix torpedo somewhere laying about lol..
Voyager, now modeled after 7 of 9