I don’t think that the Romulans fight these duels to win. They’re not Klingons. These tête-à-tête engagements are probably just tactical tests of, in this instance, the Akira.
Agreed. They learned more about the Akira in that one engagement than they would have any other way. Besides, the Akira is a beast but 1 against a D'Deridex would have been a very one-sided fight if the Romulan Commander was actually trying.
Many like test. Sort of like American Arleigh class destroyers going up against a PLA Navy Type 52D destroyers in the dispute waters of the South China Sea.
Can you even imagine an Akira patrolling the Neutral Zone with an Andorian or Tellarite as captain? "We have all this firepower. Give us a reason to use it, we dare you!"
One thing I'm not as knowledgeable on is certain species. Are the Andorians more warlike? Or at least in combat situations better at taking the offensive initiative? Not as much as Klingons perhaps
@@4everhealthwellness344 The Andorians were featured most prominently in TOS and Enterprise. They were militant and were big on fighting. They are one of the original 4 founding members of the Federation.
@@4everhealthwellness344 in the game Birth of the Federation, the blurb for the Andorians is that they had a past not unlike ours. Just that they fought with other people instead of within themselves like we did. To think of how the federation was put together, it’s that Earth had the big idea, the Vulcans did all the thinking, the Andorians put together the weapons and the Tellarites built the stuff.
If this D-Deridex class has upgraded weapons I believe it would be a toss up. I always thought of the Akira having roughly the same offensive capability of a contemporary Galaxy. What makes the Akira a better warship is that it has comparable power in a more efficient package. It’s smaller, more maneuverable, takes less resources to build while relying on less crew. While it has these advantages on a Warbird the Warbird being far larger can take more punishment and in most instances have the advantage of first strike.
Yeah but in message in a bottle 1 Akira went toe to toe with 3 warbirds the 2 defiant class ships went after the Prometheus and it attacked the 3 warbirds by itself
@@Utbaut That's assuming they aren't using the cloak. The Akira isn't a threat if they don't know you're there. Also, a D'deridex, like in the video, would get more of a draw scenario as D'deridex firepower is roughly comparable to that of a Galaxy class ship.
@@1Scimetar That's the point. Even a hypothetical comparison makes no sense if I just limit certain abilitys to a point where it gets rediclues only to find somewhat of a conclusion. Even a "Well, I don't know." would be more honest.
I thought Troi was only able to locate the Viceroy because the Viceroy was himself psychic. She can’t normally link with non-psychics, except with someone she once shared a deep bond with, like Riker. Then again, a full telepath might be able to
@@artembentsionov A full blooded Betazoid could… Remember Luxwana Troi _casually_ uncovered the bombing plot of those two fish people that Worf thought were handsome. And when she was kidnapped by some Ferengi (the only species besides Changelings that she couldn't read) she could read Picard on the bridge of the Enterprise so she could play along with his romantic deception. But the best example was in *Tinman* when the Betazoid prodigy (and late Sunnydale Mayor) could read the Alien ships mind lightyears away and also the intentions of the Romulan ships that were far out of weapons range of the Enterprise - he gave a warning to Tinman. If StarFleet was pragmatic they would have a highly trained full blooded Betazoid on every combat or exploration ship (imagine one as weapons officer, reading enemy shield frequencies and planned combat manoeuvers), and Starfleet Intelligence would be full of them. [Just go through the episode list of TNG and give Deanna the abilities but not the personality of her mother]. The Vulcans could make sure they don't abuse their powers by the occasional mind meld when up for review.
Here is a thought. How about you start scanning for localized gravitational anomalies, disturbances in the local interstellar media (a nebula would be the worst place for a cloaked ship), and use the computer to put two and two together and see if the gravitational anomaly is MOVING within the disturbed area of local material. There is always some form of dust and debris in space, the density is the trick. Only way a cloaked ship, Klingon, Romulan, or other, could stay hidden is to not move.
You have a ship in the Akira class that was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Borg Cube. I'd say it has the stuff to take out a single D'Deridex if called upon to do so.
Only the first prototypes were make to fight the borge.. the stander Akira-class are much less armed. This was intended for mass production to replace the Excelsior as new work horse.
In the Dominion war the Dominion looked at the D'Deridex as the most powerful ship the Coalition had. The D'Deridex showed that it could take out a Dominion battle curser with little effort and could put some hurt on a Dominion battle ship one on one and three war birds would destroy it. The other powers in the coalition could not say the same for their ships. The biggest problem with the war bird was you could not build it in the numbers needed because of it's great size unlike the Akira. The Akira was made for taking on Borg along side other ships when fighting. Unless you are 8472 it's foolish to take on a Borg cube one on one.
@@trekwars5400 the confusing hull configuration was designed to tackle the Borg, plus weapon upgrades . Similar with the Steam runner, Sabre and Norway class 😊
@@trekwars5400 it absolutely was not. The akira class was built as a battle cruiser. Upto 15 torpedo launchers to work in tandem with the Norways phaser lance. The excelsior was seen as adequate for the job of Fleet workhorse well into the 2380s where it would be prototyped in various formats and overhauls until the launch of the excelsior 2
The Akira can not go toe to toe with the Borg, it was designed under the Borg initiative, but was never intended to fight one on one with the Borg. It was designed to bring Torpedo punishment to aid the fleet that would have to assemble to fight the Borg. Other vessels under this initiative include the Sabre, Norway, and Defiant class starships. Oh and one of my favorite the steamrunner!
I really like the steam runner class ship and I’m glad a lower decks fan and they actually gave her her duty because she’s a tough ship as well, and obviously Benjamin Sicko helped make the Defiant to defeat the Borg so he’s amazing. I also still have the playmates version of the Roman warbird which I painted so it has lights all over it and fixed the fact that it had blue lights to green.
This was a fun analysis and a good battle. I'm very happy to see and hear more Tex in any capacity. I like that you named your Akira, Becket, presumably after Ensign Marriner. Congratulations on a well made collaboration.
WHY does no one mention that the Akira is a THROUGH DECK CARRIER?? Look at the deck plans! Check its entry in the Star Trek Magazine from the early 2000s!
@Meanie Panini a wartime built Galaxy, with all that extra space left over, would make a decent carrier. Probably the best role would be as a disaster response ship. Shuttle bays are already part of the design and the internal cargo and hanger space would be epic. Would make a great peacetime refit.
Because it's just fanfic. I don't care what the guy who drew it says. It's a stupid idea to have fighters in Star Trek. They can try and shoehorn them in only by completely retconning power levels of actual starships. If you want fighters in scifi look at literally any other scifi property.
The Akira carrier bay isn't meant to carry fighters, it's designed to facilitate the simultaneous launch and recovery of numerous shuttlecraft. This can be utilized tactically in the landing of troops where transport scramblers are active, or in mass evacuations or recovery missions. It's part of the combat profile of the Akira class, there are many tactical reasons why launching and recovering large numbers of shuttles can be useful even in the age of transporters. Fighters have never really been much of a thing in the Star Trek canon.
@@TookyG Is it a stupid idea? I mean.......one fighter is not only a very small target but with an ample power supply and small size could be built amazingly tough with crazy shields for far less resources. Not to mention having weapons as powerful as a regular star ship. Remember a star ship wastes a lot of energy and materials on life support, living quarters, cargo decks, holodeck(ha!) etc. It's no dumber than modern day aircraft carriers carrying fighter jets. Yes one carrier is a lot more powerful than one jet.........but that power curve dips drastically as more jets enter the picture. IT's very effective. Facing multiple targets with your limited weapons while also facing multipe firing solutions surrounding you is not a good place to be. Fighters work.
@@MrBottlecapBill the only way fighters make sense is by nerfing the hell out of full size ships. You'd simply be sending the fighter pilots to their deaths otherwise because we repeatedly see size be a non-factor in targeting. And it shouldn't be a factor! Take fighters to science fantasy or scifi with a much lower tech level like B5.
Nice video! I can't say for sure, but I believe an Aikra would come out on top if her captain and crew were well experienced. In The Voyager episode: "Message in a Bottle", Starfleet sent an Akira and 2 defiant class ships to fight 2 Warbirds and the Prometheus. That to me speaks volumes on how tough the Akira is.
What made this more awesome was having TEX from Black Pants Legion and SidAlpha. I don't always agree with Sid but I do appreciate his work and TEX is just amazing.
I love the D’Deridex Warbird. I'm currently flying one in STO. All nostalgia aside; I think the D’Deridex is outdated. It's a great ship, but Akira is simply better suited for combat. The Mogai-class heavy warbird would be a better match, probably.
Why is everyone suddenly forgetting the Prometheus incident? Starfleet sent two Akiras and one Defiant in hot pursuit, and when they stormed into the battlefield, they drop kicked those warbirds and even had extra ballistics fired at the Prometheus. While there is no official canon source to back my claim, it seems fairly obvious to me, based on on-screen evidence, that an Akira can effectively outclass a warbird. The Akira is a fighter carrier and torpedo gunship. It is a beautiful monstrosity.
The Akira class is a warship designed to fight the Borg. I have to believe it is enough to give a warbird a serious beating and being able to take a beating. It think the fight was a fair assessment of the respective capabilities.
@Timothy Miller The lore is that a number of ship classes were created after Wolf 359 to fight the Borg. Among them the Akira class and defiant class included. Theres some really good lore videos out there on this.
I can only image some star fleet logistic officer looking over Capt. Tex's manifest and going, "What in the name of the great bird of the galaxy does this caption need with 870 metric tons of barrel proof whiskey?!"
@@TheRyujinLP Or an engineering officer in Space Dock. "Wait you want an entire separate warp core dedicated to serving the Captain's quarters replicator? Just how much stuff are you replicating?"
@@Hybris51129 {Capt. Tex}: Yes and I'll be replicating a little something called shut the fuck up and mind your own bushiness. Well I'm off to go find and take out some dirty clanners. Star League forever! {Engineering Officer}: Clanners?... Wait... don't you mean Star Fleet? { Capt. Tex}: Fleet... league... same difference. They both have star in it. Latter weenier. {Engineering Officer}: What........ what just happened? o,o.....
remember when the Romulans stole the USS Prometheus they sent 2 D'Deridex's to escort it when star fleet went to destroy it they sent 2 Defiant-class and 1 Akiria. Both defiant-class ships went after the Prometheus while the Akira attacked TWO D'Dridex's considering Star Fleet generally doesn't do suicide missions they must've felt that 1 Akiria could hold it's own against 2 warbirds.
One target soon turns to 11 and it starts rapid firing volleys of Quantum and Photon in a sweep of death that causes so much interference than everyone's instruments just start to nope out. The Romulans wisely decide to not decloak until they have one HELL of a shot. It's fitting it's called the Akira because this is canonically the only ship that could turn into a literal Death Blossom of phasers, torpedoes, drones, and overall not-niceness.
That female officer is Lore in a dress isn't it! You guys couldn't get a real chick to be a voice actor between the two of you! You two are supposed to set the example, if you guys can't get a chick to spend time with you what hope is there for the rest of us goons!!!
The reason the D'Deridex became redshirts during the dominion war is because as a massive target they're highly susceptible to ramming, and the Jem'Hadar had no issue with sacrificing half a dozen fighters to take out a battle cruiser.
The D'Deridex is a strange ship by most naval standards. It's got a lot in common with a "hero ship" or a "do everything" ship. Cloak, speed (comparative to contemporary heavy cruisers), massive troop transport, sensors, tons of shuttles, big guns, and tough if only due to size. Only thing it doesn't have is agility. It kinda reminds me of a Star Destroyer, and if I want to make sense of the design, I have to wonder if a rapid response surprise troop landing was the kind of thing the Romulans needed so badly that these sorts of self sufficient power projection platforms didn't make their paranoia explode. It really only makes sense in comparison to the Galaxy, which is the foil hero ship. Galaxy's do everything just about too. However, they do it openly and don't carry troops. They carry "The Federation" and its scientific and cultural power, rather than troops. I'd like to think that the writers and designers went to that level of thought.
If you know you're fighting an enemy that can cloak, then you should be constantly firing all phasers in all directions, (at the lowest setting to preserver power), then immediately launch all weapons once you've made contact with something. I realize it would look silly to do this in a video such as this one, but without other ships to setup a detection net, that's really your only option...
Except an intelligent foe would simply launch a probes into the path of your weapons and camp the edge of your effective range until you exhausted your resources then decloak and pillage your mobility. Fighting a cloaked enemy in open space while lighting yourself up like a Christmas tree probably isn't a good idea. Even this fight depicted here assumed a nebula in order to keep the engagement from continuing in open space where the cloak advantage would have washed the federation despite the Akira's toughness and armaments. Stealth and the capability to first strike is an absolutely devastating advantage.
The ship doing that is a bad idea. The supposed DRONES it has, however, shooting off phasers in every direction in a sweep, however, is going to look both awe-inspiring and absolutely terrifying. Pretty sure that'd make any romulan captain wisely decide to just fuck right off and not engage. "Commander, what should we do?" "Take us out of here. It's not worth it."
People are funny. A lone Akira would (on average) not solo a Galaxy class starship. A D'Deridex is more deadly and powerful than a Galaxy class, yet some folk are saying the Akira trounces? Uh huh. Sure. Ok people. 😒
The Warbird is Dreadnought, large amount large amounts of heavy weapons, powerful shielding and Hull. Akira is a heavy cruiser. no chance for real the akira could defeat the B type Warbird.
If a D'Deridex warbird is moderately more powerful than a Galaxy class starship, then it would surely have done a little more firing. I recall Riker saying, "Commence rapid fire - all weapons!", against the Husnock warship. But there was nothing of that from either of these vessels. It was more of a case of 'pop pop', followed by 'tumbleweed'. The Enterprise D that battled the Husnock warship could single-handedly take these two on at the same time, and tear them a new one.
Romulans quite felt relief that the captain of the Akira class ship was not some kind of person who embraces their military culture Imagine if the Akira class ship was manned by a stubborn Andorian or an agressive Klingon like Worf , who also knows how to engage the enemy in an efficient manner.
Inovating and stuff is good, but ultimately it is the fair numbers and better logistic that comes with the same ship maintanance that is generaly considered as winning formula.
The D'Deridex warbird is old, and eventually was at least being replaced by the time of Nemesis. The Akira class seems to be meant to fill in the role of a medium cruiser for war, well after the Galaxy class was showing its age and flaws. In this battle, I think you're wrong: the Akira class would've overpowered the D'Deridex by a fair margin, (unless brilliant tactics were used with surprise by the Romulans). The Akira would've taken a beating though, as you showed. Against the new generation of warbirds, well, the Akira class would lose, with the warbird taking a beating.
I think purely with the role of the D’Deridex it would win. Comparing the size of a D’Deridex and its role as like a multipurpose massive ship then it might win. A modern cruiser vs a 20 year old aircraft carrier kind of situation
@@galaxianstudios8934 If the 20yo carier has only old planes, and a brand new destroyer with CWIS, anti-air, and ship to ship missiles, the tiny destroyer is likely to win.
messman10 ya but like, the F-22 is currently 23 years old and they could still put up a good fight. Tbh it could go either way we just don’t know how significant of a tech buildup there was in the last few decades of trek
Another point is that the Akira would out maneuver the Warbird taking less fire while pummeling the Warbird from all angles. I doubt a Warbird would fair well.
@@borg111 It would not fair well, but its overlapping weapon arcs would allow it to return hits to the Akira. Just because they favor forward fire doesn't mean the Romulans don't cover their aft. The shear durability due to its hull size is what allows the D'D to survive against a smaller more evasive ship.
She’s powered by a singularity, remember. They probably don’t want to put anything too close to the gravimetric disturbances of that sort of thing if they can avoid it.
The animation is pretty good. My biggest issue is the dialogue. The biggest example is the opening scene. My understanding is that Federation starships are ordered to their missions through their captains. One does not simply "request permission to go on patrol" anywhere.
USS Baguette: lock croissants and fire with full spread! Romulans: What!?!? bread made with butter?? that is not grey food! we can't eat that - it may be delicious!! we cannot reveal our culinary weakness - FULL RETREAT!! USS Baguette: and dont come back! we have ham and melty cheese on standby!! Romulans: this is why we must never fight the Federation! our cloaks are no match for their continental breakfasts! if they ever figure that out the empire is DOOMED! USS Baguette: and coffee! WE WILL SERVE COFFEE!! Romulans: mmmm...well, it's bitter, and grey sometimes... USS Baguette: IT WILL BE EUROPEAN!!! Romulans: we would have no choice but to surrender and discuss dessert...
I agree with this outcome. The Akira has the combat edge, but is hampered by Starfleet's doctrines, which are sound, but overly conservative and fail to encourage offensive mindedness or aggressive finishing of opponents.
Eh, I dont really buy it. Seems like most sources consider the Akira class to be something like a heavy cruiser, its supposedly 400-500m long. The Warbird, while an older design, is a much larger capital ship over 1000m long. If you consider the shape of the ships, the Warbird is also much more massive, even with the clamshell design.
@@termitreter6545 Mmm, but the Warbird is a big, inefficient ship. Not ineffective, just designed in a non-efficient manner. Most of that extra size is empty space. Mass wise, she is bigger, but not that much bigger, and the Akira class is at least twenty years more modern. From a state that has been consistently shown to be the superior of the two in terms of technology.
@@sundoga4961 Where do you get the idea its mostly empty space? Pretty sure we never learn about that, and it seems like a pretty silly idea. But the Warbird is much more massive than the Akira.. The Akira is pretty slim; the disc section is prolly below 250m, and thats the most massive bit of the ship. Otherwise it just got a small torpedo pod and two large nacelles, as well as the connectors inbetween. Tbh, I'd not even be sure the Akira would beat a wartime Galaxy class? And the Galaxy should be outclassed by the Warbird too. Same way I dont see how the Akira should be that technologically superior? Sure its more modern and much more cost-effective, but its one of the first wave of dedicated warships of the Federation, while the Romulans always had very advanced technology.
@@termitreter6545 I get the idea that the Federation is more advanced from events. A Galaxy class ship and a Warbird appear to be roughly of the same period, but the Romulans aren't confident of taking one down without a two-to-one advantage. The Romulan singular advantage, advanced cloaking tech, is regularly trumped by a wide variety of Federation systems - and the Federation can even make BETTER CLOAKS. As to the Warbird herself, look at her! It's hollow. Most of the space taken up is...space. Oh, and the Akira is a SECOND generation Fed warship, like the Sovereign. The first gen was the Defiant class, and they learned a lot from her.
@@sundoga4961 Well yeah, the romulans arent going to take a fight in which they might take damage, if they cant help it. They arent Klingons that take risk. Idk why we still talk shape, but the upper/lower clamshell is probably about as thick as the saucer section average of the Akira. Its that much of a mass difference. Also yeh, the federation making a better cloak than the romulans was pretty stupid. Neat episode, but a bit far fetched.
Warp 1.5? That’s snail’s pace in interstellar terms, just barely above light speed. It would take you like 4 years to get to Alphan Centauri from Earth
One way you can test: Star Trek Starfleet Command Vol III; that is easy to test therein; but mostly it depends on the skills of the commanders and crews in question, as well as a significant degree of sheer luck.
IF lonely Akira would have an element of surprise then perhaps she would have a chance to beat D'Dex... but key problem is that Romulans would see her on their screen long before she would saw them so initiative odds would be slighty on Romies side... 😏
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng Ah yes, but the only plot in this instance is the confrontation between two non hero ships with no central characters aboard either. Plot armor is therefore, a non entity.
@@asheer9114 Not really. The D'Deridex was slightly more powerful than a Galaxy Class which isn't even a dedicated warship. The Akira Class on the other hand was a purpose built for heavy combat.
@@UncleMikeDrop Just because a ship isn’t a dedicated warship does mean it’s less powerful. It means it’s less effective in the sense it requires a lot more resources to build a multi purpose ship and you would be better off building 2 or 3 dedicated warships for the same resources as a ship that can do everything. This Enterprise A was a multi purpose ship and seen as a top notch combat vessel in an era of Cold War with the Klingons.
I think the battle was reasonable. The D'Deridex was the bag bad battleship of it's day, while the Akira is the more advanced and nimble ship that came later on.
This is woefully misrepresentative of what has been established in canon if this video is supposed to be representative of what could be the outcome. Not only does it not acknowledge anything about the D'Deridex's strengths (i.e. Its insane survivability against attacks even without shields (Battle of the Omarion Nebula), its insane firepower (i.e. Literally every standoff it's had against the Enterprise-D, where even Picard himself makes it clear that the D'Deridex very often has the advantage)), the video doesn't even represent what a D'Deridex fighting has looked like.. Uh, virtually /ever/. What's being shown is the battle tactics of a 22nd Century Bird-of-Prey, of which had to adopt such tactics since it wasn't an otherwise survivable or forward-confrontational vessel. There's the example of Tinman where a D'Deridex attack and flew by the (Not stationary) Enterprise-D, except the episode itself makes it clear that the Romulans were just attempting to distract/slow down the Enterprise-D. /Even then/, 70% loss to their shields. There's always the example of the Message In A Bottle battle, where an Akira and two Defiant's briefly tackled three D'Deridex's, except nowhere was it ever stated that this was an even match-up - Not even in the scene itself given the battle barely lasted a minute. So it's a bit of a nothing-example (Save for how unusually OP the Prometheus is, apparently). There's the point that two D'Deridex's usually show up when it comes to confronting the Enterprise-D, except it was never specified as to whether this was by necessity, by doctrine, or otherwise. Not to mention how this doesn't acknowledge that singular D'Deridex's have also confronted the Enterprise-D numerously without any real concerns by the Warbird Commanders in question. As for age? Well, that just vindicates the D'Deridex's strengths further - Imagine your fancy-new state-of-the-art not-warship being woefully outdone by some 30-odd year old battleship of a different era that likely hasn't been updated in all that time. So yeah. I strongly disagree with this outcome, and further that by asking where the hell any claims of 'representing canon' come from.
In nearly every skirmish between a D'Deridex and they were coming up against a stationary Enterprise the was unprepared for battle. The D'deridex is actually a very straightforward vessel (literally) with some major flaws. It's slow with very poor maneuverability and literally all of its weapons face forward. It's only real tactical advance in canon was the cloaking device. It has powerful shields, powerful weapons, and strong armor, but all an opponent needs to do to defeat it is stay out of it's weapons arc and hammer it till it goes down. In contrast the Akira is a very nimble and fast and while it's weapons aren't as powerful (except for the quantum torpedoes) they are designed to fire at a rapid speed. It can fly circles around a D'Deridex and hammer it with huge volleys while the Romulans would be barely able to respond with more than a handful of shots. It's a perfect counter to the D'Deridex and in anything other than a direct frontal confrontation would tear the roman ship to pieces in short order with barely a scratch suffered. One on one the Akira wins hands down. That's probably the only part of this simulation I take issue with, power vs power means virtually nothing when simple tactics can negate every advantage the opponent has.
@@brassman1010 The topic of tactics only pans out when said tactics are actually being applied in a way that acknowledges everything else that's being denoted, nevermind if said things actually hold true in canon. In this case, the video in question does /not/ play to the fan theory that an Akira would be flying circles around the D'Deridex, making it a moot case to make in this context. Now, as for everything else: "In nearly every skirmish between a D'Deridex and they were coming up against a stationary Enterprise the was unprepared for battle." - And when the Enterprise /was/ prepare for battle (Tinman), they lost 70% of their shields in the first pass. "It's slow with very poor maneuverability" - Gee, it's almost like it's a >1km length Battleship. And further serves to illustrate that the video's demonstrated battle tactics have nothing going for them. "and literally all of its weapons face forward." - Not true. Whilst its most powerful weapons do seem to fire forward only, the D'Deridex has been demonstrated to have other beam arrays to cover all firing arcs. Unification II being one example that comes to mind. "It's only real tactical advance in canon was the cloaking device. It has powerful shields, powerful weapons, and strong armor, but all an opponent needs to do to defeat it is stay out of it's weapons arc and hammer it till it goes down." - This is a contradicting claim to make, and one that especially builds itself upon the not-backed-up claim that a D'Deridex has a smaller firing range than any of its opposition, nevermind the broader topic about firing ranges in Star Trek in general (Something that hasn't really been touched on at all outside of the Pheonix, IIRC). This isn't to say that the cloaking device isn't a major advantage for the D'Deridex to have, but to say it's the /only/ one massively re-interprets what a Star Trek battle scene even looks like on a fundamental level. "In contrast the Akira is a very nimble and fast" - Nope. Out of the few times we see an Akira on-screen, its manoeuvrability could easily be compared to that of a brick. For instance, the few Akira's we see in First Contact failed to demonstrate any meaningful evasive capability. In Message In A Bottle, the one Akira charging in is doing literally nothing to avoid the incoming fire of the D'Deridex's. Same with basically every Deep Space Nine fleet battle that had shown an Akira - They're either taking hits they can't dodge, or they're getting wrecked. "and while it's weapons aren't as powerful (except for the quantum torpedoes)" - What Quantum torpedoes? It doesn't use them in canon. To say otherwise is an assumption at /best/. Which leads me onto my concluding point: "It's a perfect counter to the D'Deridex". - No. In lieu of rehashing my previously-stated points, I'll point you to real world history regarding Battleships - A ship like an Akira is not a counter no matter what way you try to slice it. For the longest time, the /only/ real counter against one Battleship was to send /another/ Battleship. Something that Star Trek itself seems to pander to - With exception to the Mirror Defiant vs Mirror Negh'Var match up, we never see a Battleship being outdone in the manner that the video attempts to depict, since ships like the Akira do not offer enough of /anything/ to even be remotely considered a 'counter' - Not in its firepower, or survivability, or its evasive capabilities, or anything else. You know what we do see, however? The D'Deridex holding up against the second real counter to Battleships - Corvette/Fighter spam (Battle of the Omarion Nebula). Sure, they don't win that engagement, but given the insane odds that they were fighting against, the very fact that they held together for as long as they did demonstrates that you can't understate their insane survivability. A real world Battleship would go down after a few good hits in such a situation - Almost like how the Odyssey did against only 3 Jem'Hadar attack ships. The D'Deridex's took magnitudes more and kept going. So, again, I ask where the hell any claims of 'representing canon' come from in this otherwise fictional matchup/outcome.
@@perpetis8542 the video is limited by the animating capabilities of the author, the outcome they illustrated does in fact take tactics into account as well as the technical specifications of both ships. Canon in Star Trek was a very fluid thing which changed episode to episode. Roddenberry, said so himself in interviews that canon is whatever he wanted it to be and saw fit to change it at a whim for the sake of good storytelling. Quantum torpedoes were developed to use against the borg, they were used extensively during the dominion war by many ships, it's not unreasonable to conclude that the Akira would have been outfitted with them being a dedicated warship. As for the series battles: it's almost as though flashy exploding ships create good entertainment in space battles and what better ships to show blowing up than the ones that no main character is flying in, the audience is not intimately familiar with, and is not a headliner ship type for any series. Pointing to real life battleships is a extremely bad example to make, there was only one reason why it took one battleship to counter another in reality...range. battleships were necessary to mount the large guns that had the great range of fire necessary to hit other battleships with similar range. Battleships in reality had a very short lived dominance. There's no real comparison to be made with space combat where shields, speed and 3D maneuverability come into play. It's sheer folly to even suggest any comparison can be made at all. I stand by my analysis and you are welcome to stand by yours. this entire thing is a fan exercise anyway.
@@perpetis8542 The D'Deridex was an old design. Yes it was proven but the romulans did replace the design only a few years after the dominion war (or even during the dominion war) with the Valdore class. So obviously something needed improvement. The romulans almost always send 2 Warbirds to engage the Enterprise. All logic says that a single Warbird would risk much damage if not destruction in a 1v1. it is true that in a fair 1v1 comparision the typical Warbird was slightly superior to the Enterprise, slightly is the keyword. Not a guaranteed win. Considering that the Wartime Galaxy refit would probably wipe the floor with the Enterprise D and that the Akira is shown to be as potent as a Galaxy Class starship. the Akira should have the edge. An obvious fact disregarded by your arguments is, that the Warbird is shown to take 3 torpedo hits while cloaked (the last one while fresh out of cloak) the romulans in canon do not have the capabilities to cloak and shield their Vessels at the same time. so these hits would have hurt a lot. For sure enough to give the Akira an advantage. The employed tactic of decloaking -> shooting - cloaking therefore is backfiring almost instantly since the suprise hit was uneffective. Akiras shields were up before the first shot was fired. And the Warbird took multiple phaser and torpedo hits while being cloaked. The D'Deridex had weapon systems in all directions but their secondary armament weren't able to destroy shit. As shown when fighting against Jem'Hadar Attack Ships. (The same ships that exploded 4-6 shots into a volley by a klingon BoP or the Defiant The claim, that the Akiras Weapons were underpowered is coming out of thin air and really nonsensical. Even without Quantum torpedoes. The design is completly new during the D-War and as a purpose build warship it should by all logic be equipped with the newest phaser and torpedo technology. The Akira design was present and probably the speartip at the battle during ST8. And that Borg cube was heavily damaged when the Enterprise arrived at the scene. In your conclusion you say that for the longest time the counter for Battleships was another Battleship and while simplified this is somewhat true. The real counter for Battleships was air superiority btw. (check Yamato) But Battleships are not state of the art anymore and they really haven't been for a long time now. if you send a modern rocket cruiser into combat against a single Battleship the BS would not score a single hit it wouldn't even spot the enemy before it would sink. The D'Deridex wasn't state of the art while the Akira was. in fact the D'Deridex was replaced as main battleship by a far smaller vessel not long after the akira was introduced. One last point. you stated, that the D'deridex is capable of withstanding many hits. And has huge survivability. That argument is puzzling to me as the depicted battle did not destroy the Warbird and the ship did in fact survive the engagement. Surivivng is different than to still be combat ready. The romulan vessels ambushed by the Jem'Hadar did survive a long time. But they were hardly capable of fighting after the first few hits taken.
@@brassman1010 I asked for canon sources to back any of that up, I distinctly got nothing. You're not wrong to point out that canon is inconsistent and this video is a fan exercise anyway, except my original query took aim precisely at the video description itself proclaiming this to be a product of canon adherence. Sure, there's a lot of logical conclusions that can be drawn from what we do know in canon, except they're only conclusions and not canonical fact, which defeats the point of the standing query. So, yes, let's leave it at an agreement to disagree.
A real world example similar to this scenario would be an American Arleigh Burke class destroyers going up against a PLA Navy Type 52D destroyers in dispute waters in the South China Sea. In the original STO Canon, the Federation would be the United States and the Romulans being Communist China. Since the US Nave have so many Arleigh Burke class and the PLA Navy have so many Type 52D, most likely they would be deployed in pairs.
Honestly two of my favourite Trek ship designs! So, read a comment saying "You have a ship in the Akira class that was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Borg Cube. I'd say it has the stuff to take out a single D'Deridex if called upon to do so." My take... The class may have been one of those designed to fight the Borg, but never intended to do so one-on-one. Like the Defiant class, it was intended to be part of an anti-Borg fleet. Smaller profile (harder to hit), fast, maneuverable, armoured and very heavily-armed. I love the Akira class, but despite the age of the Romulan design (which like Starfleet Excelsiors, Mirandas, etc. are just upgraded or refitted over the years), don't underestimate a D'Deridex warbird! Romulan cloaking tech was almost the best in the business, and gives an awesome first-strike ability. Mix that with extremely powerful disruptors (10% hit on Galaxy class shields per shot on pulse fire in one example) and an attack without warning could leave an Akira in all sorts of trouble. Not the most agile ship, of course, but more of a tank. I don't think you can put the two toe-to-toe in a straight slugfest, they're too different in class and design. For me, Akira wins on speed, updated tech, rapid fire, etc. and the D'Deridex wins on first-strike and raw power / tankiness. But as we most often see in Trek, whoever wins really comes down to the captain and crew. 😁
Akira would win the encounter. We know the Akira was used as more of a 'torpedo boat' with upto 15 torpedo launchers. Im sure the Dederidex would take a damn good amount of punishment though. Either way the akira is more advanced in almost every conceivable way
The firing arcs on the D'Deridex limits its offensive capabilities. However, being able to fire before fully decloaking is def an advantage in a space battle. I agree with conclusion in this match up. it was close but the Akira class out matches the warbird.
I do believe the Akira is vastly supperior in a straight up fight. And in the shown situation with multiple torpedo hits scored on a cloaked vessel the romulan ship should really have been destroyed outright. Romulan ships are generally not able to run cloak and shields at the same time. So these Torpedo hits would have hurt a lot. I understand, that the first 2 hits were proximity activated torpedos but the third after the cloak failed was a proper hit with no time to raise the shields. Keep in mind that a ship uncloaking did not instantly have shields raised. In Star Trek 7 one torpedo destroyed an undamaged unshielded klingon BoP. So we know theses torpedoes hit like a truck if not shielded. (Or look at the borg cube at first contact a few hits almost took out the whole cube) I know that by the time of Nemesis the Reman had a cloak that could operate simultaniously with the shilds but at that time the empire used the more advanced Valdore class. So I place this engagement closer to ds9's timeframe. At that time the Federation made huge steps forward in offensive and defensive combat technologies. (as seen in the Galaxy refit for example)
Probably a torpedo with the power dialed down on purpose. Not so much an attempt at a death blow but a parting "And remember, this could have killed you." A punch to the face rather than a gunshot.
Based on the movie First Contact, there’s no way the phasers and torpedoes couldn’t fire a damn sight faster then shown here. I’d think starfleet would reassign the crew to a garbage scow for being so incompetent. Just my opinion.
It has half the energy weapon firepower of intrepid class but twice the number of torpedo tubes and 3 times the torpedoes stored. offering twice the firepower total in a limited sense as a bomber witch holds it back from being useful on the fringes of space or alone far from home like on voyager. However with less phaser stripes on its haul it has more effective should emitter locations reduced presence of weak spots in its shield and instead of main shields and secondary shields that are typically less effective it has full redundant shield backups only loosing the week spot support. This means causing damage or bleedthrew damage with shields up is much reduced and getting the shields down and stay down also much harder. If the Akira class gets the initiative it can destroy a ship faster than galaxy class and hammer the hell out of a borg cube landing heavier damage with quantum torpedoes just like Excalibur class that the enterprise E is.
Oh the battle scars of where they got hit I wish modern star trek games had this instead of the ship being damaged in every spot once below 70% health *cough cough* startrek online
I doubt the Akira could actually best a Romulan Warbird. Just given the size difference, the power generation capacity for things like shields and phaser/disruptors should be significantly different. I believe the Akira could be very close to the Galaxy Class' fire-power, but I don't think it would quite match or exceed the Galaxy Class' abilities. As such, I'd put it's chances of beating a warbird relatively low and slightly higher for the Galaxy Class.
Reminds me of the story from Startrek Bridge Commander, the player captaining a single galaxy, and later a sovereign class faces 2 warbirds in a nebula, that game portrays the Akira as roughly equal to a galaxy, more firepower but not as tough shields. Had forgotten about it, still can't recall which class you're in when you face the 2 romulans
I think if it was no holds barred, the Akira wins as it could just pepper the D'Deridex with both classes of torpedoes and also hit with phasers. I would also assume a much greater rate of maneuverability for the Akira.
also recloaking isnt really an option for the d'deridex against an akira as their shields would drop and the akira would go yolo fire all weapons on their now exposed ass
I recall reading in the Ships of the Line book that Starfleet took a different approach to the Akira when it came to offenses. Instead of relying on phasers as a primary weapon, it's designed more as a gun boat with having more torpedo tubes than phaser arrays.
If the Federation would have just sent in a Steiner recon lance before hand then the Romulans would have had their pointy eared asses hand to them. I love this cross over with Tex.
Personal headcanon: the Akira was actually Starfleet's response to the D'Deridex, much like torpedo boats were originally built to take down battleships. Their construction was expedited after Wolf 359, since they could deliver a lot of raw firepower against massive targets; but the design itself pre-dates the Federation's awareness of the Borg. This doesn't mean an Akira could _easily_ take a D'deridex one-on-one, but it would fare better than a Galaxy-class in the same situation.
I like this reasoning a lot and the tie in to pre WWI and WWI history. Anything smaller than a Galaxy or Nebula) would’ve been toast if they actually got this close to a D’Deridex, just like a torpedo boat would’ve been crushed by a battleship’s huge guns, if they scored a hit. But with some peppering at high warp and maneuvering, I could see it being a good fight.
@@TJRex01 True but that was over a wide area, it can be reasonably assumed this can be done by one ship in its immediate vicinity, sure its not as effective but it still gives them an extra leg up.
yeah, scans were anti-proton - not tachyon, but yeah. plus quantum singularities that power warbirds can be detected, even without a time-travelling OBrien!
Type X phasers 8 arrays and 17 pulse fire Photon & Quantum torpedo launchers 1530 strength index vs B type Advanced Romulan telshiar warbird 1500 strength index the Akira is faster and more manoeuvrable but has a weaker hull.
can a dederdix even cloak that fast generally once a battle has begun we dont see much if any cloaking I always took this to be because of the delay and given during the delay you have no shields it's not worth the risk
i have to disagree with your conclusion. The D'deridex does outgun a galaxy and if it gets the drop can quickly overwhelm it. while the Akira is likely as powerful as a galaxy and faster. the D'deridex has 360 weapon coverage to combat this advantage. so the akira will never have an easy vector to attack from. and as long as the cloak is functional the D'deridex should be able to control the engagement. thing is how often in reality do 1 on 1 engagements happen?
Except cloaking lowers shields and the cloaked ship is now detectable via a scan that is well known by Starfleet, on top of that canon has shown an Akira taking on 2 D'deridex ships without much problem.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 At the start it wasn't, they still thought the Prometheus was under Romulan control so one of the Defiants was targetting that ship while another was fighting a warbird solo too. But at the same time the Akira took direct fire from all 3 ships without issue.
Poor Romulans about to get boarded by Doctor Randolph P Checkers, and an army of Cluwne's. Thanks for this! Akira time travel several hundred years and fly upside down boom - NX class...
I feel as though the Akira is a generation ahead of the D'Deredex in technology. Kind of like comparing a 4th generation fighter like an SU-30 to a 5th generation like the F22. Still a significant threat, but outmatched by more advanced technologies. The Romulan cloaking device definitely evens out that competition though. I agree this would end in a draw. P.S. Is it just me or is ludicrous that the Federation has not to this day found a reliable and effective way of neutralizing the Romulan cloaking device?
Akita easy stronger warp core the the enterprise d and shield that don’t need to cover as much space. Plus more torpedo launchers easy win for newer ship
What we do know is that Starfleet it crews were confident enough in the Akira abilities that it and two defiant class vessels would be a match in a fight against 3 D'Deridex and the Prometheus in battle. This suggests to me that the Akira heavily out classed the D'Deridex starship to the point where it would easily destroy such a class of ship in a one to one battle.
Interestingly, while in the real world the Akira design predates the NX design, Star Trek: Enterprise retroactively made it the other way around in-universe, so Akira was inspired by NX
04:51 "I am Serious Business". Akira took a "beautiful scar" on the left side. T_T 06:58 D'Deridex seems to have had its rear vandalized by a pittbull. XD
>USS Beckett >name on ship:USS Thunderchild Also implying an Akira is a match for a warbird. Lel There's a reason why Galaxy and Sovereigns are around. Akiras are smaller, and while they do pack a punch, have armor that is not nearly like that of the Warbird which also has more powerful firepower. Maneuverability =/= winning outright
I mean.. it is, atleast from what we can see. The warbirds is a much older design and we see an akira 1v2 in voyager... beyond that you shouldn’t watch ds9 since they use an enterprise model :p and welcome to make your own animation
@@LoreReloaded I'll grant it can handle a punch from a Warbird, however reviewing that footage from Voyager shows that particular Akira had help with it. And I apologize but as someone who's watched the shows as well as played the games involved, one tends to have a biased opinion considering typically an Akira on its own is not usually enough to outmatch a Warbird. In particular hands it's a maybe, but at the same time I would imagine they update the D'deridex as time goes on, considering for the longest time it was their main flagship, much like the Galaxy class was for a while until the Sovereign came along. A friend of mine who's also a fan did bring up the point of speed tanking, but you'd need a lot of good hits to take down a big battleship like that. But we'll probably never officially know anyways. Secondly, I haven't seen everything from DS9, so I'm still working on that much. I also was going to point out that though some ships were designed to fight the Borg, if they were on their own they weren't much threat. The fact the Defiant got so heavily damaged in First Contact shows that much, considering it happened even with a fleet helping them out with all that new armor they were supposedly sporting. A group of Defiants, sure. A group of Akiras vs Warbirds? Plausible perhaps. Numbers would help. A one on one? It's still difficult for me to believe typically this ship in particular would be able to come out on top unless they get very lucky.
i feel that apart from the pure size difference the akira would have wiped out the d'deridex with the use of quantum torps thay are just so devastating at dealing damage look at the result of them when used on a borg cube can you imagine the damage of a full spread of them on the weakened hull of a warbird
I remember reading one book, where a Romulan commander (not of a warbird, of a smaller ship likely inspired by the Defiant) takes on two Jem’Hadar fighters in a nebula. The Romulan commander decides to make use of a tactic that worked perfectly against the Vulcans. It involves skimming at the edge of the nebula, which drains shields but does hide the ship and allow it to ambush the enemy. It utterly fails against the Dominion, as Weyoun is aware of the tactic and explains to Dukat or Damar (don’t remember which one) that it only worked the first time because such an action is illogical. The Dominion skewered the Romulan ship. Let’s ignore for a moment that a nebula isn’t nearly as thick as normally shown in sci-fi
"The only good tactic is a tactic only used once." - Heavy Object. Use it too much and the enemy gets used to your bullshit, might as well making you a free target than an actual threat.
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I don’t think that the Romulans fight these duels to win. They’re not Klingons. These tête-à-tête engagements are probably just tactical tests of, in this instance, the Akira.
Information gathering.
Agreed. They learned more about the Akira in that one engagement than they would have any other way. Besides, the Akira is a beast but 1 against a D'Deridex would have been a very one-sided fight if the Romulan Commander was actually trying.
Indeed...
Save your "special fatalities" for the end game...
I agree. The drop the War Bird had on the Akira would have done more damage to it and then make another pass and finish it off if they was out to win.
Many like test. Sort of like American Arleigh class destroyers going up against a PLA Navy Type 52D destroyers in the dispute waters of the South China Sea.
Can you even imagine an Akira patrolling the Neutral Zone with an Andorian or Tellarite as captain? "We have all this firepower. Give us a reason to use it, we dare you!"
@Karl Llewellyn Suggestion: use Worf as the Captain and have an Andorian Tactical Officer. I really wanted to see something like that in classic Trek.
I’d pay good money to see an Andorian in an Akira fight some Jem ‘Hadar
One thing I'm not as knowledgeable on is certain species. Are the Andorians more warlike? Or at least in combat situations better at taking the offensive initiative? Not as much as Klingons perhaps
@@4everhealthwellness344 The Andorians were featured most prominently in TOS and Enterprise. They were militant and were big on fighting. They are one of the original 4 founding members of the Federation.
@@4everhealthwellness344 in the game Birth of the Federation, the blurb for the Andorians is that they had a past not unlike ours. Just that they fought with other people instead of within themselves like we did.
To think of how the federation was put together, it’s that Earth had the big idea, the Vulcans did all the thinking, the Andorians put together the weapons and the Tellarites built the stuff.
If this D-Deridex class has upgraded weapons I believe it would be a toss up. I always thought of the Akira having roughly the same offensive capability of a contemporary Galaxy. What makes the Akira a better warship is that it has comparable power in a more efficient package. It’s smaller, more maneuverable, takes less resources to build while relying on less crew. While it has these advantages on a Warbird the Warbird being far larger can take more punishment and in most instances have the advantage of first strike.
Closest battle youl find with akira vs warbird was in voy message in bottle, 1 akira, 2 defant class (including prometheus) vs 3 warbirds
Yeah but in message in a bottle 1 Akira went toe to toe with 3 warbirds the 2 defiant class ships went after the Prometheus and it attacked the 3 warbirds by itself
@@ascelotand there the Akira class was going 1v3 for the first bit the 2 defiant were solely focused on the Prometheus
And 15 to 17 pulse fire torpedo launchers.
Don't forget the tactical advantage of side firing torpedoes.
The Akira had an unfair Advantage being commanded by Tex.
Tex?
@@HacksignKT The voice of the Akira captain. He's Tex of the Black Pants Legion channel.
@@ArvexYT ty anon, have a good weekend
I’m glad it wasn’t just me that heard him. boys starting to get around.
Bpl boys are some hard nosed mad bastards.
Thumbs up for Captain Tex
So the lesson is: if we place a warbird cloaked and without shields like a sitting duck in front of akiras torpedo launchers, Akira wins. Huh.
I thought I was hearing Tex from the Black Pants Legion.
@@Utbaut That's assuming they aren't using the cloak. The Akira isn't a threat if they don't know you're there. Also, a D'deridex, like in the video, would get more of a draw scenario as D'deridex firepower is roughly comparable to that of a Galaxy class ship.
@@1Scimetar
That's the point. Even a hypothetical comparison makes no sense if I just limit certain abilitys to a point where it gets rediclues only to find somewhat of a conclusion. Even a "Well, I don't know." would be more honest.
Oh my god!!! That WAS him!!!
*StarFleet Captain:* Commence Tachyon sweeps, scan for neutrino emissions, and get that Betazoid ensign up to the bridge ASAP.
I thought Troi was only able to locate the Viceroy because the Viceroy was himself psychic. She can’t normally link with non-psychics, except with someone she once shared a deep bond with, like Riker.
Then again, a full telepath might be able to
@@artembentsionov A full blooded Betazoid could…
Remember Luxwana Troi _casually_ uncovered the bombing plot of those two fish people that Worf thought were handsome.
And when she was kidnapped by some Ferengi (the only species besides Changelings that she couldn't read) she could read Picard on the bridge of the Enterprise so she could play along with his romantic deception.
But the best example was in *Tinman* when the Betazoid prodigy (and late Sunnydale Mayor) could read the Alien ships mind lightyears away and also the intentions of the Romulan ships that were far out of weapons range of the Enterprise - he gave a warning to Tinman.
If StarFleet was pragmatic they would have a highly trained full blooded Betazoid on every combat or exploration ship (imagine one as weapons officer, reading enemy shield frequencies and planned combat manoeuvers), and Starfleet Intelligence would be full of them.
[Just go through the episode list of TNG and give Deanna the abilities but not the personality of her mother].
The Vulcans could make sure they don't abuse their powers by the occasional mind meld when up for review.
Yeh that Ensign Betazoid is hot. She should really just hang around on the bridge.
Shit how about scanning for quantum singularities god knows that's given them away a number of times.
Here is a thought. How about you start scanning for localized gravitational anomalies, disturbances in the local interstellar media (a nebula would be the worst place for a cloaked ship), and use the computer to put two and two together and see if the gravitational anomaly is MOVING within the disturbed area of local material. There is always some form of dust and debris in space, the density is the trick. Only way a cloaked ship, Klingon, Romulan, or other, could stay hidden is to not move.
You have a ship in the Akira class that was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Borg Cube. I'd say it has the stuff to take out a single D'Deridex if called upon to do so.
Only the first prototypes were make to fight the borge.. the stander Akira-class are much less armed. This was intended for mass production to replace the Excelsior as new work horse.
In the Dominion war the Dominion looked at the D'Deridex as the most powerful ship the Coalition had. The D'Deridex showed that it could take out a Dominion battle curser with little effort and could put some hurt on a Dominion battle ship one on one and three war birds would destroy it. The other powers in the coalition could not say the same for their ships. The biggest problem with the war bird was you could not build it in the numbers needed because of it's great size unlike the Akira. The Akira was made for taking on Borg along side other ships when fighting. Unless you are 8472 it's foolish to take on a Borg cube one on one.
@@trekwars5400 the confusing hull configuration was designed to tackle the Borg, plus weapon upgrades . Similar with the Steam runner, Sabre and Norway class 😊
@@trekwars5400 it absolutely was not. The akira class was built as a battle cruiser. Upto 15 torpedo launchers to work in tandem with the Norways phaser lance. The excelsior was seen as adequate for the job of Fleet workhorse well into the 2380s where it would be prototyped in various formats and overhauls until the launch of the excelsior 2
The Akira can not go toe to toe with the Borg, it was designed under the Borg initiative, but was never intended to fight one on one with the Borg. It was designed to bring Torpedo punishment to aid the fleet that would have to assemble to fight the Borg. Other vessels under this initiative include the Sabre, Norway, and Defiant class starships. Oh and one of my favorite the steamrunner!
God I LOVE me some Akira Class, shame it was not on screen more during DS9, beautiful ship built as a direct result of Wolf 359.
Nice Video.
well you have all of the enterprise episodes, ok if you flip the screen...
I really like the steam runner class ship and I’m glad a lower decks fan and they actually gave her her duty because she’s a tough ship as well, and obviously Benjamin Sicko helped make the Defiant to defeat the Borg so he’s amazing. I also still have the playmates version of the Roman warbird which I painted so it has lights all over it and fixed the fact that it had blue lights to green.
@@potatoradio i have every episode including the fan based episodes as well.
This was a fun analysis and a good battle. I'm very happy to see and hear more Tex in any capacity. I like that you named your Akira, Becket, presumably after Ensign Marriner.
Congratulations on a well made collaboration.
Whose the voice of the Starfleet captain? That sounds like Tex from the Black Pants Legion
That sounded like him
Well look at the credits he is indeed in there
Praise Z0rg! It's Randolph P. Checkers, esq.! The Romulans shall learn by fire.
The Akira class also has a through deck shuttle bay with fighters in it to help defend it
SUCH a beautiful ship...probably in my top three Federation ships of all time.
WHY does no one mention that the Akira is a THROUGH DECK CARRIER?? Look at the deck plans! Check its entry in the Star Trek Magazine from the early 2000s!
@Meanie Panini a wartime built Galaxy, with all that extra space left over, would make a decent carrier. Probably the best role would be as a disaster response ship. Shuttle bays are already part of the design and the internal cargo and hanger space would be epic. Would make a great peacetime refit.
Because it's just fanfic. I don't care what the guy who drew it says. It's a stupid idea to have fighters in Star Trek. They can try and shoehorn them in only by completely retconning power levels of actual starships. If you want fighters in scifi look at literally any other scifi property.
The Akira carrier bay isn't meant to carry fighters, it's designed to facilitate the simultaneous launch and recovery of numerous shuttlecraft. This can be utilized tactically in the landing of troops where transport scramblers are active, or in mass evacuations or recovery missions. It's part of the combat profile of the Akira class, there are many tactical reasons why launching and recovering large numbers of shuttles can be useful even in the age of transporters. Fighters have never really been much of a thing in the Star Trek canon.
@@TookyG Is it a stupid idea? I mean.......one fighter is not only a very small target but with an ample power supply and small size could be built amazingly tough with crazy shields for far less resources. Not to mention having weapons as powerful as a regular star ship. Remember a star ship wastes a lot of energy and materials on life support, living quarters, cargo decks, holodeck(ha!) etc. It's no dumber than modern day aircraft carriers carrying fighter jets. Yes one carrier is a lot more powerful than one jet.........but that power curve dips drastically as more jets enter the picture. IT's very effective. Facing multiple targets with your limited weapons while also facing multipe firing solutions surrounding you is not a good place to be. Fighters work.
@@MrBottlecapBill the only way fighters make sense is by nerfing the hell out of full size ships. You'd simply be sending the fighter pilots to their deaths otherwise because we repeatedly see size be a non-factor in targeting. And it shouldn't be a factor! Take fighters to science fantasy or scifi with a much lower tech level like B5.
Nice video! I can't say for sure, but I believe an Aikra would come out on top if her captain and crew were well experienced. In The Voyager episode: "Message in a Bottle", Starfleet sent an Akira and 2 defiant class ships to fight 2 Warbirds and the Prometheus. That to me speaks volumes on how tough the Akira is.
Stagnate? Federation using Excelsior and Miranda classes 100 years + after development.
That where old ships refitted for war. Desperate times.
What made this more awesome was having TEX from Black Pants Legion and SidAlpha. I don't always agree with Sid but I do appreciate his work and TEX is just amazing.
I know exactly who would win between these two ships: Whoever has the most plot armor....
I love the D’Deridex Warbird. I'm currently flying one in STO. All nostalgia aside; I think the D’Deridex is outdated. It's a great ship, but Akira is simply better suited for combat. The Mogai-class heavy warbird would be a better match, probably.
Why is everyone suddenly forgetting the Prometheus incident? Starfleet sent two Akiras and one Defiant in hot pursuit, and when they stormed into the battlefield, they drop kicked those warbirds and even had extra ballistics fired at the Prometheus. While there is no official canon source to back my claim, it seems fairly obvious to me, based on on-screen evidence, that an Akira can effectively outclass a warbird. The Akira is a fighter carrier and torpedo gunship. It is a beautiful monstrosity.
The Akira class is a warship designed to fight the Borg. I have to believe it is enough to give a warbird a serious beating and being able to take a beating. It think the fight was a fair assessment of the respective capabilities.
@Timothy Miller The lore is that a number of ship classes were created after Wolf 359 to fight the Borg. Among them the Akira class and defiant class included. Theres some really good lore videos out there on this.
Is that Tex? Of the blackpants legion?
It is
I can only image some star fleet logistic officer looking over Capt. Tex's manifest and going, "What in the name of the great bird of the galaxy does this caption need with 870 metric tons of barrel proof whiskey?!"
Did you not watch the credits???
@@TheRyujinLP Or an engineering officer in Space Dock. "Wait you want an entire separate warp core dedicated to serving the Captain's quarters replicator? Just how much stuff are you replicating?"
@@Hybris51129 {Capt. Tex}: Yes and I'll be replicating a little something called shut the fuck up and mind your own bushiness. Well I'm off to go find and take out some dirty clanners. Star League forever!
{Engineering Officer}: Clanners?... Wait... don't you mean Star Fleet?
{ Capt. Tex}: Fleet... league... same difference. They both have star in it. Latter weenier.
{Engineering Officer}: What........ what just happened? o,o.....
How do you think this ship would stand against a Romulan Valdore-class ship?
remember when the Romulans stole the USS Prometheus they sent 2 D'Deridex's to escort it when star fleet went to destroy it they sent 2 Defiant-class and 1 Akiria. Both defiant-class ships went after the Prometheus while the Akira attacked TWO D'Dridex's considering Star Fleet generally doesn't do suicide missions they must've felt that 1 Akiria could hold it's own against 2 warbirds.
One target soon turns to 11 and it starts rapid firing volleys of Quantum and Photon in a sweep of death that causes so much interference than everyone's instruments just start to nope out. The Romulans wisely decide to not decloak until they have one HELL of a shot. It's fitting it's called the Akira because this is canonically the only ship that could turn into a literal Death Blossom of phasers, torpedoes, drones, and overall not-niceness.
@roetemeteor That's what I call my fire at will and full torpedo spread macro
That female officer is Lore in a dress isn't it! You guys couldn't get a real chick to be a voice actor between the two of you! You two are supposed to set the example, if you guys can't get a chick to spend time with you what hope is there for the rest of us goons!!!
I thought it might be Commander Cockings? 😂
The reason the D'Deridex became redshirts during the dominion war is because as a massive target they're highly susceptible to ramming, and the Jem'Hadar had no issue with sacrificing half a dozen fighters to take out a battle cruiser.
I love this! Let us have more of this!
The D'Deridex is a strange ship by most naval standards. It's got a lot in common with a "hero ship" or a "do everything" ship. Cloak, speed (comparative to contemporary heavy cruisers), massive troop transport, sensors, tons of shuttles, big guns, and tough if only due to size. Only thing it doesn't have is agility. It kinda reminds me of a Star Destroyer, and if I want to make sense of the design, I have to wonder if a rapid response surprise troop landing was the kind of thing the Romulans needed so badly that these sorts of self sufficient power projection platforms didn't make their paranoia explode.
It really only makes sense in comparison to the Galaxy, which is the foil hero ship. Galaxy's do everything just about too. However, they do it openly and don't carry troops. They carry "The Federation" and its scientific and cultural power, rather than troops. I'd like to think that the writers and designers went to that level of thought.
If you know you're fighting an enemy that can cloak, then you should be constantly firing all phasers in all directions, (at the lowest setting to preserver power), then immediately launch all weapons once you've made contact with something. I realize it would look silly to do this in a video such as this one, but without other ships to setup a detection net, that's really your only option...
Except an intelligent foe would simply launch a probes into the path of your weapons and camp the edge of your effective range until you exhausted your resources then decloak and pillage your mobility.
Fighting a cloaked enemy in open space while lighting yourself up like a Christmas tree probably isn't a good idea.
Even this fight depicted here assumed a nebula in order to keep the engagement from continuing in open space where the cloak advantage would have washed the federation despite the Akira's toughness and armaments.
Stealth and the capability to first strike is an absolutely devastating advantage.
The ship doing that is a bad idea. The supposed DRONES it has, however, shooting off phasers in every direction in a sweep, however, is going to look both awe-inspiring and absolutely terrifying. Pretty sure that'd make any romulan captain wisely decide to just fuck right off and not engage.
"Commander, what should we do?"
"Take us out of here. It's not worth it."
People are funny. A lone Akira would (on average) not solo a Galaxy class starship.
A D'Deridex is more deadly and powerful than a Galaxy class, yet some folk are saying the Akira trounces?
Uh huh. Sure. Ok people. 😒
You should check out Resurrected Starships's breakdown on the D'Deridex, it's very thorough!
Yes but his version is not really canon.
The Warbird is Dreadnought, large amount large amounts of heavy weapons, powerful shielding and Hull. Akira is a heavy cruiser. no chance for real the akira could defeat the B type Warbird.
Yeah but it’s one of starfleets first purpose built warships. If a galaxy class is a match for one then this thing most definitely would be
If a D'Deridex warbird is moderately more powerful than a Galaxy class starship, then it would surely have done a little more firing. I recall Riker saying, "Commence rapid fire - all weapons!", against the Husnock warship. But there was nothing of that from either of these vessels. It was more of a case of 'pop pop', followed by 'tumbleweed'. The Enterprise D that battled the Husnock warship could single-handedly take these two on at the same time, and tear them a new one.
Yo did you do a buddy team up with Tex lol
nvm just saw the credits
Romulans quite felt relief that the captain of the Akira class ship was not some kind of person who embraces their military culture
Imagine if the Akira class ship was manned by a stubborn Andorian or an agressive Klingon like Worf , who also knows how to engage the enemy in an efficient manner.
Inovating and stuff is good, but ultimately it is the fair numbers and better logistic that comes with the same ship maintanance that is generaly considered as winning formula.
TEX TALKS STAR TEX! LOVE YOUR VOICES MAN!!! and its the CLANS taking over. Romulans are obviously Clan Raptor's Wing
When Clan Jade Falcon stumbles through some time space warp thing...
@@potatoradio Which clan would each faction be? Diamond Shark is obviously Ferangi. What about the others?
The D'Deridex warbird is old, and eventually was at least being replaced by the time of Nemesis.
The Akira class seems to be meant to fill in the role of a medium cruiser for war, well after the Galaxy class was showing its age and flaws.
In this battle, I think you're wrong: the Akira class would've overpowered the D'Deridex by a fair margin, (unless brilliant tactics were used with surprise by the Romulans). The Akira would've taken a beating though, as you showed.
Against the new generation of warbirds, well, the Akira class would lose, with the warbird taking a beating.
I think purely with the role of the D’Deridex it would win. Comparing the size of a D’Deridex and its role as like a multipurpose massive ship then it might win. A modern cruiser vs a 20 year old aircraft carrier kind of situation
@@galaxianstudios8934 If the 20yo carier has only old planes, and a brand new destroyer with CWIS, anti-air, and ship to ship missiles, the tiny destroyer is likely to win.
messman10 ya but like, the F-22 is currently 23 years old and they could still put up a good fight. Tbh it could go either way we just don’t know how significant of a tech buildup there was in the last few decades of trek
Another point is that the Akira would out maneuver the Warbird taking less fire while pummeling the Warbird from all angles. I doubt a Warbird would fair well.
@@borg111 It would not fair well, but its overlapping weapon arcs would allow it to return hits to the Akira. Just because they favor forward fire doesn't mean the Romulans don't cover their aft. The shear durability due to its hull size is what allows the D'D to survive against a smaller more evasive ship.
I always liked the Romulans Warbird. Really nice design - always wondered what the massive gap in the middle was for though...
She’s powered by a singularity, remember. They probably don’t want to put anything too close to the gravimetric disturbances of that sort of thing if they can avoid it.
The gap is so a warp field can be created and sustained inside the clocking field, meaning the ship can move at high warp while still cloaked.
The animation is pretty good.
My biggest issue is the dialogue. The biggest example is the opening scene. My understanding is that Federation starships are ordered to their missions through their captains. One does not simply "request permission to go on patrol" anywhere.
Lol ok
"This is the USS Baguette. You are in violation and in federation space."
Edit: Or maybe it's USS Bigot?
Beckett
@@LoreReloaded I know. Doesn't make USS Baguette less funny imo :)
I heard USS Bacon the first time! Yum!
USS Baguette: lock croissants and fire with full spread!
Romulans: What!?!? bread made with butter?? that is not grey food! we can't eat that - it may be delicious!! we cannot reveal our culinary weakness - FULL RETREAT!!
USS Baguette: and dont come back! we have ham and melty cheese on standby!!
Romulans: this is why we must never fight the Federation! our cloaks are no match for their continental breakfasts! if they ever figure that out the empire is DOOMED!
USS Baguette: and coffee! WE WILL SERVE COFFEE!!
Romulans: mmmm...well, it's bitter, and grey sometimes...
USS Baguette: IT WILL BE EUROPEAN!!!
Romulans: we would have no choice but to surrender and discuss dessert...
I agree with this outcome. The Akira has the combat edge, but is hampered by Starfleet's doctrines, which are sound, but overly conservative and fail to encourage offensive mindedness or aggressive finishing of opponents.
Eh, I dont really buy it. Seems like most sources consider the Akira class to be something like a heavy cruiser, its supposedly 400-500m long. The Warbird, while an older design, is a much larger capital ship over 1000m long. If you consider the shape of the ships, the Warbird is also much more massive, even with the clamshell design.
@@termitreter6545 Mmm, but the Warbird is a big, inefficient ship. Not ineffective, just designed in a non-efficient manner. Most of that extra size is empty space. Mass wise, she is bigger, but not that much bigger, and the Akira class is at least twenty years more modern. From a state that has been consistently shown to be the superior of the two in terms of technology.
@@sundoga4961 Where do you get the idea its mostly empty space? Pretty sure we never learn about that, and it seems like a pretty silly idea.
But the Warbird is much more massive than the Akira.. The Akira is pretty slim; the disc section is prolly below 250m, and thats the most massive bit of the ship. Otherwise it just got a small torpedo pod and two large nacelles, as well as the connectors inbetween. Tbh, I'd not even be sure the Akira would beat a wartime Galaxy class? And the Galaxy should be outclassed by the Warbird too.
Same way I dont see how the Akira should be that technologically superior? Sure its more modern and much more cost-effective, but its one of the first wave of dedicated warships of the Federation, while the Romulans always had very advanced technology.
@@termitreter6545 I get the idea that the Federation is more advanced from events. A Galaxy class ship and a Warbird appear to be roughly of the same period, but the Romulans aren't confident of taking one down without a two-to-one advantage. The Romulan singular advantage, advanced cloaking tech, is regularly trumped by a wide variety of Federation systems - and the Federation can even make BETTER CLOAKS.
As to the Warbird herself, look at her! It's hollow. Most of the space taken up is...space.
Oh, and the Akira is a SECOND generation Fed warship, like the Sovereign. The first gen was the Defiant class, and they learned a lot from her.
@@sundoga4961 Well yeah, the romulans arent going to take a fight in which they might take damage, if they cant help it. They arent Klingons that take risk.
Idk why we still talk shape, but the upper/lower clamshell is probably about as thick as the saucer section average of the Akira. Its that much of a mass difference.
Also yeh, the federation making a better cloak than the romulans was pretty stupid. Neat episode, but a bit far fetched.
Warp 1.5? That’s snail’s pace in interstellar terms, just barely above light speed. It would take you like 4 years to get to Alphan Centauri from Earth
Indeed. They should have been able to at least do warp 5.
One way you can test: Star Trek Starfleet Command Vol III; that is easy to test therein; but mostly it depends on the skills of the commanders and crews in question, as well as a significant degree of sheer luck.
Given comparable command and crew proficiency, the Akira Class would soundly defeat a D'deridex.
IF lonely Akira would have an element of surprise then perhaps she would have a chance to beat D'Dex... but key problem is that Romulans would see her on their screen long before she would saw them so initiative odds would be slighty on Romies side... 😏
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng Ah yes, but the only plot in this instance is the confrontation between two non hero ships with no central characters aboard either. Plot armor is therefore, a non entity.
@@asheer9114 Not really. The D'Deridex was slightly more powerful than a Galaxy Class which isn't even a dedicated warship. The Akira Class on the other hand was a purpose built for heavy combat.
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng Thick that armor is.
@@UncleMikeDrop Just because a ship isn’t a dedicated warship does mean it’s less powerful. It means it’s less effective in the sense it requires a lot more resources to build a multi purpose ship and you would be better off building 2 or 3 dedicated warships for the same resources as a ship that can do everything. This Enterprise A was a multi purpose ship and seen as a top notch combat vessel in an era of Cold War with the Klingons.
I love the animation truly top-notch and good!!!!!
u know one akira did take on 3 Warbirds while 2 defiant class did take on the promethius class ship in voyeger and survive the assoult quite good
Uhhhh, go back and watch that episode again: the vessel that engaged the Romulans (and LOST!) was a _Nebula-_ class ship!
@@robgyanisu312 than watch again in the end scene 2 defiand class and one akira clas did engage the 3 warbirds and promethius
@@xxXLonewolf87Xxx Yup the Akira dont give a shit it just goes in weapons firing.
"Message in a bottle", one of my favorite Voyager episode.
@@robgyanisu312 what? the nebula fought the Prometheus
is that the whiskey laden baritone of Tex tickling my ears!?
I think it was Tex.
I think the battle was reasonable. The D'Deridex was the bag bad battleship of it's day, while the Akira is the more advanced and nimble ship that came later on.
This is woefully misrepresentative of what has been established in canon if this video is supposed to be representative of what could be the outcome. Not only does it not acknowledge anything about the D'Deridex's strengths (i.e. Its insane survivability against attacks even without shields (Battle of the Omarion Nebula), its insane firepower (i.e. Literally every standoff it's had against the Enterprise-D, where even Picard himself makes it clear that the D'Deridex very often has the advantage)), the video doesn't even represent what a D'Deridex fighting has looked like.. Uh, virtually /ever/. What's being shown is the battle tactics of a 22nd Century Bird-of-Prey, of which had to adopt such tactics since it wasn't an otherwise survivable or forward-confrontational vessel.
There's the example of Tinman where a D'Deridex attack and flew by the (Not stationary) Enterprise-D, except the episode itself makes it clear that the Romulans were just attempting to distract/slow down the Enterprise-D. /Even then/, 70% loss to their shields.
There's always the example of the Message In A Bottle battle, where an Akira and two Defiant's briefly tackled three D'Deridex's, except nowhere was it ever stated that this was an even match-up - Not even in the scene itself given the battle barely lasted a minute. So it's a bit of a nothing-example (Save for how unusually OP the Prometheus is, apparently).
There's the point that two D'Deridex's usually show up when it comes to confronting the Enterprise-D, except it was never specified as to whether this was by necessity, by doctrine, or otherwise. Not to mention how this doesn't acknowledge that singular D'Deridex's have also confronted the Enterprise-D numerously without any real concerns by the Warbird Commanders in question.
As for age? Well, that just vindicates the D'Deridex's strengths further - Imagine your fancy-new state-of-the-art not-warship being woefully outdone by some 30-odd year old battleship of a different era that likely hasn't been updated in all that time.
So yeah. I strongly disagree with this outcome, and further that by asking where the hell any claims of 'representing canon' come from.
In nearly every skirmish between a D'Deridex and they were coming up against a stationary Enterprise the was unprepared for battle.
The D'deridex is actually a very straightforward vessel (literally) with some major flaws. It's slow with very poor maneuverability and literally all of its weapons face forward. It's only real tactical advance in canon was the cloaking device. It has powerful shields, powerful weapons, and strong armor, but all an opponent needs to do to defeat it is stay out of it's weapons arc and hammer it till it goes down.
In contrast the Akira is a very nimble and fast and while it's weapons aren't as powerful (except for the quantum torpedoes) they are designed to fire at a rapid speed. It can fly circles around a D'Deridex and hammer it with huge volleys while the Romulans would be barely able to respond with more than a handful of shots. It's a perfect counter to the D'Deridex and in anything other than a direct frontal confrontation would tear the roman ship to pieces in short order with barely a scratch suffered. One on one the Akira wins hands down. That's probably the only part of this simulation I take issue with, power vs power means virtually nothing when simple tactics can negate every advantage the opponent has.
@@brassman1010 The topic of tactics only pans out when said tactics are actually being applied in a way that acknowledges everything else that's being denoted, nevermind if said things actually hold true in canon. In this case, the video in question does /not/ play to the fan theory that an Akira would be flying circles around the D'Deridex, making it a moot case to make in this context.
Now, as for everything else:
"In nearly every skirmish between a D'Deridex and they were coming up against a stationary Enterprise the was unprepared for battle." - And when the Enterprise /was/ prepare for battle (Tinman), they lost 70% of their shields in the first pass.
"It's slow with very poor maneuverability" - Gee, it's almost like it's a >1km length Battleship. And further serves to illustrate that the video's demonstrated battle tactics have nothing going for them.
"and literally all of its weapons face forward." - Not true. Whilst its most powerful weapons do seem to fire forward only, the D'Deridex has been demonstrated to have other beam arrays to cover all firing arcs. Unification II being one example that comes to mind.
"It's only real tactical advance in canon was the cloaking device. It has powerful shields, powerful weapons, and strong armor, but all an opponent needs to do to defeat it is stay out of it's weapons arc and hammer it till it goes down." - This is a contradicting claim to make, and one that especially builds itself upon the not-backed-up claim that a D'Deridex has a smaller firing range than any of its opposition, nevermind the broader topic about firing ranges in Star Trek in general (Something that hasn't really been touched on at all outside of the Pheonix, IIRC). This isn't to say that the cloaking device isn't a major advantage for the D'Deridex to have, but to say it's the /only/ one massively re-interprets what a Star Trek battle scene even looks like on a fundamental level.
"In contrast the Akira is a very nimble and fast" - Nope. Out of the few times we see an Akira on-screen, its manoeuvrability could easily be compared to that of a brick. For instance, the few Akira's we see in First Contact failed to demonstrate any meaningful evasive capability. In Message In A Bottle, the one Akira charging in is doing literally nothing to avoid the incoming fire of the D'Deridex's. Same with basically every Deep Space Nine fleet battle that had shown an Akira - They're either taking hits they can't dodge, or they're getting wrecked.
"and while it's weapons aren't as powerful (except for the quantum torpedoes)" - What Quantum torpedoes? It doesn't use them in canon. To say otherwise is an assumption at /best/.
Which leads me onto my concluding point: "It's a perfect counter to the D'Deridex". - No. In lieu of rehashing my previously-stated points, I'll point you to real world history regarding Battleships - A ship like an Akira is not a counter no matter what way you try to slice it. For the longest time, the /only/ real counter against one Battleship was to send /another/ Battleship. Something that Star Trek itself seems to pander to - With exception to the Mirror Defiant vs Mirror Negh'Var match up, we never see a Battleship being outdone in the manner that the video attempts to depict, since ships like the Akira do not offer enough of /anything/ to even be remotely considered a 'counter' - Not in its firepower, or survivability, or its evasive capabilities, or anything else.
You know what we do see, however? The D'Deridex holding up against the second real counter to Battleships - Corvette/Fighter spam (Battle of the Omarion Nebula). Sure, they don't win that engagement, but given the insane odds that they were fighting against, the very fact that they held together for as long as they did demonstrates that you can't understate their insane survivability. A real world Battleship would go down after a few good hits in such a situation - Almost like how the Odyssey did against only 3 Jem'Hadar attack ships. The D'Deridex's took magnitudes more and kept going.
So, again, I ask where the hell any claims of 'representing canon' come from in this otherwise fictional matchup/outcome.
@@perpetis8542 the video is limited by the animating capabilities of the author, the outcome they illustrated does in fact take tactics into account as well as the technical specifications of both ships.
Canon in Star Trek was a very fluid thing which changed episode to episode. Roddenberry, said so himself in interviews that canon is whatever he wanted it to be and saw fit to change it at a whim for the sake of good storytelling.
Quantum torpedoes were developed to use against the borg, they were used extensively during the dominion war by many ships, it's not unreasonable to conclude that the Akira would have been outfitted with them being a dedicated warship.
As for the series battles: it's almost as though flashy exploding ships create good entertainment in space battles and what better ships to show blowing up than the ones that no main character is flying in, the audience is not intimately familiar with, and is not a headliner ship type for any series.
Pointing to real life battleships is a extremely bad example to make, there was only one reason why it took one battleship to counter another in reality...range. battleships were necessary to mount the large guns that had the great range of fire necessary to hit other battleships with similar range. Battleships in reality had a very short lived dominance. There's no real comparison to be made with space combat where shields, speed and 3D maneuverability come into play. It's sheer folly to even suggest any comparison can be made at all.
I stand by my analysis and you are welcome to stand by yours. this entire thing is a fan exercise anyway.
@@perpetis8542 The D'Deridex was an old design. Yes it was proven but the romulans did replace the design only a few years after the dominion war (or even during the dominion war) with the Valdore class. So obviously something needed improvement.
The romulans almost always send 2 Warbirds to engage the Enterprise. All logic says that a single Warbird would risk much damage if not destruction in a 1v1. it is true that in a fair 1v1 comparision the typical Warbird was slightly superior to the Enterprise, slightly is the keyword. Not a guaranteed win.
Considering that the Wartime Galaxy refit would probably wipe the floor with the Enterprise D and that the Akira is shown to be as potent as a Galaxy Class starship. the Akira should have the edge.
An obvious fact disregarded by your arguments is, that the Warbird is shown to take 3 torpedo hits while cloaked (the last one while fresh out of cloak) the romulans in canon do not have the capabilities to cloak and shield their Vessels at the same time. so these hits would have hurt a lot. For sure enough to give the Akira an advantage.
The employed tactic of decloaking -> shooting - cloaking therefore is backfiring almost instantly since the suprise hit was uneffective. Akiras shields were up before the first shot was fired. And the Warbird took multiple phaser and torpedo hits while being cloaked.
The D'Deridex had weapon systems in all directions but their secondary armament weren't able to destroy shit. As shown when fighting against Jem'Hadar Attack Ships. (The same ships that exploded 4-6 shots into a volley by a klingon BoP or the Defiant
The claim, that the Akiras Weapons were underpowered is coming out of thin air and really nonsensical. Even without Quantum torpedoes. The design is completly new during the D-War and as a purpose build warship it should by all logic be equipped with the newest phaser and torpedo technology. The Akira design was present and probably the speartip at the battle during ST8. And that Borg cube was heavily damaged when the Enterprise arrived at the scene.
In your conclusion you say that for the longest time the counter for Battleships was another Battleship and while simplified this is somewhat true. The real counter for Battleships was air superiority btw. (check Yamato) But Battleships are not state of the art anymore and they really haven't been for a long time now. if you send a modern rocket cruiser into combat against a single Battleship the BS would not score a single hit it wouldn't even spot the enemy before it would sink.
The D'Deridex wasn't state of the art while the Akira was. in fact the D'Deridex was replaced as main battleship by a far smaller vessel not long after the akira was introduced.
One last point. you stated, that the D'deridex is capable of withstanding many hits. And has huge survivability. That argument is puzzling to me as the depicted battle did not destroy the Warbird and the ship did in fact survive the engagement. Surivivng is different than to still be combat ready. The romulan vessels ambushed by the Jem'Hadar did survive a long time. But they were hardly capable of fighting after the first few hits taken.
@@brassman1010 I asked for canon sources to back any of that up, I distinctly got nothing. You're not wrong to point out that canon is inconsistent and this video is a fan exercise anyway, except my original query took aim precisely at the video description itself proclaiming this to be a product of canon adherence. Sure, there's a lot of logical conclusions that can be drawn from what we do know in canon, except they're only conclusions and not canonical fact, which defeats the point of the standing query.
So, yes, let's leave it at an agreement to disagree.
A real world example similar to this scenario would be an American Arleigh Burke class destroyers going up against a PLA Navy Type 52D destroyers in dispute waters in the South China Sea. In the original STO Canon, the Federation would be the United States and the Romulans being Communist China. Since the US Nave have so many Arleigh Burke class and the PLA Navy have so many Type 52D, most likely they would be deployed in pairs.
Honestly two of my favourite Trek ship designs!
So, read a comment saying "You have a ship in the Akira class that was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Borg Cube. I'd say it has the stuff to take out a single D'Deridex if called upon to do so."
My take...
The class may have been one of those designed to fight the Borg, but never intended to do so one-on-one. Like the Defiant class, it was intended to be part of an anti-Borg fleet.
Smaller profile (harder to hit), fast, maneuverable, armoured and very heavily-armed.
I love the Akira class, but despite the age of the Romulan design (which like Starfleet Excelsiors, Mirandas, etc. are just upgraded or refitted over the years), don't underestimate a D'Deridex warbird!
Romulan cloaking tech was almost the best in the business, and gives an awesome first-strike ability. Mix that with extremely powerful disruptors (10% hit on Galaxy class shields per shot on pulse fire in one example) and an attack without warning could leave an Akira in all sorts of trouble. Not the most agile ship, of course, but more of a tank.
I don't think you can put the two toe-to-toe in a straight slugfest, they're too different in class and design.
For me, Akira wins on speed, updated tech, rapid fire, etc. and the D'Deridex wins on first-strike and raw power / tankiness.
But as we most often see in Trek, whoever wins really comes down to the captain and crew. 😁
Akira would win the encounter. We know the Akira was used as more of a 'torpedo boat' with upto 15 torpedo launchers. Im sure the Dederidex would take a damn good amount of punishment though. Either way the akira is more advanced in almost every conceivable way
Noice
Just for fun, you should do an analysis on Star Trek: Armada's 1 and 2 story lines.
And Legacy
Just doing a breakdown like he did for STO? In a matchup video it wouldnt even be close using armada lore.
The firing arcs on the D'Deridex limits its offensive capabilities. However, being able to fire before fully decloaking is def an advantage in a space battle. I agree with conclusion in this match up. it was close but the Akira class out matches the warbird.
Starbase Kuvira? Did she somehow get into the Federation? Lady Hitler is gonna Make the Federation Great Again.
Akira class is a heavy cruiser? Wasn't the Constitution class a heavy cruiser? How well do they compare side by side?
I do believe the Akira is vastly supperior in a straight up fight. And in the shown situation with multiple torpedo hits scored on a cloaked vessel the romulan ship should really have been destroyed outright. Romulan ships are generally not able to run cloak and shields at the same time. So these Torpedo hits would have hurt a lot. I understand, that the first 2 hits were proximity activated torpedos but the third after the cloak failed was a proper hit with no time to raise the shields. Keep in mind that a ship uncloaking did not instantly have shields raised.
In Star Trek 7 one torpedo destroyed an undamaged unshielded klingon BoP. So we know theses torpedoes hit like a truck if not shielded. (Or look at the borg cube at first contact a few hits almost took out the whole cube)
I know that by the time of Nemesis the Reman had a cloak that could operate simultaniously with the shilds but at that time the empire used the more advanced Valdore class. So I place this engagement closer to ds9's timeframe.
At that time the Federation made huge steps forward in offensive and defensive combat technologies. (as seen in the Galaxy refit for example)
Probably a torpedo with the power dialed down on purpose. Not so much an attempt at a death blow but a parting "And remember, this could have killed you." A punch to the face rather than a gunshot.
Based on the movie First Contact, there’s no way the phasers and torpedoes couldn’t fire a damn sight faster then shown here. I’d think starfleet would reassign the crew to a garbage scow for being so incompetent. Just my opinion.
Given the Akira Class's reputation as a torpedo cruiser, it didn't fire nearly enough of them nor did it fire enough spreads...
Would love to see more of these!
I agree with the outcome... I hate that I agree, but I do.
It has half the energy weapon firepower of intrepid class but twice the number of torpedo tubes and 3 times the torpedoes stored. offering twice the firepower total in a limited sense as a bomber witch holds it back from being useful on the fringes of space or alone far from home like on voyager. However with less phaser stripes on its haul it has more effective should emitter locations reduced presence of weak spots in its shield and instead of main shields and secondary shields that are typically less effective it has full redundant shield backups only loosing the week spot support. This means causing damage or bleedthrew damage with shields up is much reduced and getting the shields down and stay down also much harder. If the Akira class gets the initiative it can destroy a ship faster than galaxy class and hammer the hell out of a borg cube landing heavier damage with quantum torpedoes just like Excalibur class that the enterprise E is.
Did they get. Was that Tex from Black Pants Legion for the Akira ship when it left the Space Dock?
yes he was
Apparently they docked at space station 13...
the Romulans need to check themselves right quick they aren't facing a galaxy-class pos they are facing a ship that could easily pimp slap them.
Not sure I’d call the Galaxy a POS, I’d say it’d be a close fight between the Gal and a Double D.
Romulans would win the romulan
Ship alot more powerful
A next Gen look, has more Capt Archer vibe to it though!
Oh the battle scars of where they got hit I wish modern star trek games had this instead of the ship being damaged in every spot once below 70% health *cough cough* startrek online
Sto is old too just saying
@@Warsheep2k6 which is funny because there were games older than the mmo that does closer if not exactly what the oringal user wants
@@SuperGamefreak18 which were single player games and i am assuming you mean something in the likes of bridge commander
@@Warsheep2k6 and Legacy
I doubt the Akira could actually best a Romulan Warbird. Just given the size difference, the power generation capacity for things like shields and phaser/disruptors should be significantly different. I believe the Akira could be very close to the Galaxy Class' fire-power, but I don't think it would quite match or exceed the Galaxy Class' abilities. As such, I'd put it's chances of beating a warbird relatively low and slightly higher for the Galaxy Class.
Reminds me of the story from Startrek Bridge Commander, the player captaining a single galaxy, and later a sovereign class faces 2 warbirds in a nebula, that game portrays the Akira as roughly equal to a galaxy, more firepower but not as tough shields. Had forgotten about it, still can't recall which class you're in when you face the 2 romulans
I think if it was no holds barred, the Akira wins as it could just pepper the D'Deridex with both classes of torpedoes and also hit with phasers. I would also assume a much greater rate of maneuverability for the Akira.
also recloaking isnt really an option for the d'deridex against an akira as their shields would drop and the akira would go yolo fire all weapons on their now exposed ass
And at least in beta canon, the Akira is also a carrier with a butt load of fighters ready to help out. 👍
Don't know about the fire power but I think The Starfleet ship is more manoeuvrable.
I recall reading in the Ships of the Line book that Starfleet took a different approach to the Akira when it came to offenses. Instead of relying on phasers as a primary weapon, it's designed more as a gun boat with having more torpedo tubes than phaser arrays.
Good job on the edits Lr
Great job on this GT!
@@Ketwolski Thanks Ket :D
We need more space battles
i agree :)
Great video 10/10 I would like see more of these cinematic cgi battles
Oh wow this is awesome!
If the Federation would have just sent in a Steiner recon lance before hand then the Romulans would have had their pointy eared asses hand to them. I love this cross over with Tex.
Remember, stealth is an option.
Why do i hear music?
@@aspacegamer92 Ja why??? (grin)
Personal headcanon: the Akira was actually Starfleet's response to the D'Deridex, much like torpedo boats were originally built to take down battleships. Their construction was expedited after Wolf 359, since they could deliver a lot of raw firepower against massive targets; but the design itself pre-dates the Federation's awareness of the Borg. This doesn't mean an Akira could _easily_ take a D'deridex one-on-one, but it would fare better than a Galaxy-class in the same situation.
I like this reasoning a lot and the tie in to pre WWI and WWI history. Anything smaller than a Galaxy or Nebula) would’ve been toast if they actually got this close to a D’Deridex, just like a torpedo boat would’ve been crushed by a battleship’s huge guns, if they scored a hit. But with some peppering at high warp and maneuvering, I could see it being a good fight.
Those voice actors sound...familiar, a good familiar.
A lone Akira cannot handle a D'Deredix they're designed to be using in conjunction of a Sabre and Defiant fleet
was that Tex??? "Thats how they want to play it?"
He’s the akira captain
Well the voice is unmistakable I guess :D
Sounds just like Tex yeah
I was expecting some scouting once I heard Tex. Good work all around.
Cloaks are vulnerable to tachyon scans the dominion war established this. The akira should have completely trounced that d'deridex.
Curtis Irons tachyon nets tended to require multiple ships working together iirc
@@TJRex01 True but that was over a wide area, it can be reasonably assumed this can be done by one ship in its immediate vicinity, sure its not as effective but it still gives them an extra leg up.
I'm thinking that the Romulans adapted their cloaks to resist those; the Defiant did after all, & the Federation & Romulans were allies during the war
Also, I just remembered that the Dominion used an antiproton scan to penetrate Defiant's cloak, which was later adapted for
yeah, scans were anti-proton - not tachyon, but yeah. plus quantum singularities that power warbirds can be detected, even without a time-travelling OBrien!
15 torp launchers, capable of fiting quantum torps, fighter craft, type 12 phasers
Honestly, it should tear through a warbird very quickly.
Type X phasers 8 arrays and 17 pulse fire Photon & Quantum torpedo launchers 1530 strength index vs B type Advanced Romulan telshiar warbird 1500 strength index the Akira is faster and more manoeuvrable but has a weaker hull.
can a dederdix even cloak that fast generally once a battle has begun we dont see much if any cloaking I always took this to be because of the delay and given during the delay you have no shields it's not worth the risk
A random SidAlpha appears =P
i have to disagree with your conclusion. The D'deridex does outgun a galaxy and if it gets the drop can quickly overwhelm it. while the Akira is likely as powerful as a galaxy and faster. the D'deridex has 360 weapon coverage to combat this advantage. so the akira will never have an easy vector to attack from. and as long as the cloak is functional the D'deridex should be able to control the engagement. thing is how often in reality do 1 on 1 engagements happen?
Except cloaking lowers shields and the cloaked ship is now detectable via a scan that is well known by Starfleet, on top of that canon has shown an Akira taking on 2 D'deridex ships without much problem.
@@frag2k12 thats with 2 defiants and a Prometheus.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 At the start it wasn't, they still thought the Prometheus was under Romulan control so one of the Defiants was targetting that ship while another was fighting a warbird solo too. But at the same time the Akira took direct fire from all 3 ships without issue.
Poor Romulans about to get boarded by Doctor Randolph P Checkers, and an army of Cluwne's. Thanks for this! Akira time travel several hundred years and fly upside down boom - NX class...
Akira wouldn't stand a chance.
I feel as though the Akira is a generation ahead of the D'Deredex in technology. Kind of like comparing a 4th generation fighter like an SU-30 to a 5th generation like the F22. Still a significant threat, but outmatched by more advanced technologies. The Romulan cloaking device definitely evens out that competition though. I agree this would end in a draw.
P.S. Is it just me or is ludicrous that the Federation has not to this day found a reliable and effective way of neutralizing the Romulan cloaking device?
Akita easy stronger warp core the the enterprise d and shield that don’t need to cover as much space. Plus more torpedo launchers easy win for newer ship
Remember, Starfleet sent an Akira nd 2 Defiants to engage the Tal Shiar warbirds and in your words the Akira "engaged the warbirds with out flinching"
What we do know is that Starfleet it crews were confident enough in the Akira abilities that it and two defiant class vessels would be a match in a fight against 3 D'Deridex and the Prometheus in battle.
This suggests to me that the Akira heavily out classed the D'Deridex starship to the point where it would easily destroy such a class of ship in a one to one battle.
Interestingly, while in the real world the Akira design predates the NX design, Star Trek: Enterprise retroactively made it the other way around in-universe, so Akira was inspired by NX
Leaves at warp 1.5 ooooof
Akira ftw
04:51 "I am Serious Business". Akira took a "beautiful scar" on the left side. T_T
06:58 D'Deridex seems to have had its rear vandalized by a pittbull. XD
We know that starfleet innovate ... but still regularly send ships on their own when Romulans usually have multiple ships hiding around.
>USS Beckett
>name on ship:USS Thunderchild
Also implying an Akira is a match for a warbird. Lel
There's a reason why Galaxy and Sovereigns are around. Akiras are smaller, and while they do pack a punch, have armor that is not nearly like that of the Warbird which also has more powerful firepower. Maneuverability =/= winning outright
I mean.. it is, atleast from what we can see. The warbirds is a much older design and we see an akira 1v2 in voyager... beyond that you shouldn’t watch ds9 since they use an enterprise model :p and welcome to make your own animation
@@LoreReloaded I'll grant it can handle a punch from a Warbird, however reviewing that footage from Voyager shows that particular Akira had help with it. And I apologize but as someone who's watched the shows as well as played the games involved, one tends to have a biased opinion considering typically an Akira on its own is not usually enough to outmatch a Warbird. In particular hands it's a maybe, but at the same time I would imagine they update the D'deridex as time goes on, considering for the longest time it was their main flagship, much like the Galaxy class was for a while until the Sovereign came along. A friend of mine who's also a fan did bring up the point of speed tanking, but you'd need a lot of good hits to take down a big battleship like that. But we'll probably never officially know anyways.
Secondly, I haven't seen everything from DS9, so I'm still working on that much.
I also was going to point out that though some ships were designed to fight the Borg, if they were on their own they weren't much threat. The fact the Defiant got so heavily damaged in First Contact shows that much, considering it happened even with a fleet helping them out with all that new armor they were supposedly sporting. A group of Defiants, sure. A group of Akiras vs Warbirds? Plausible perhaps. Numbers would help. A one on one? It's still difficult for me to believe typically this ship in particular would be able to come out on top unless they get very lucky.
i feel that apart from the pure size difference the akira would have wiped out the d'deridex with the use of quantum torps thay are just so devastating at dealing damage look at the result of them when used on a borg cube can you imagine the damage of a full spread of them on the weakened hull of a warbird
Did you use star trek bridge comander for this :)
Nope , blender, Adobe premier pro and after effects
I remember reading one book, where a Romulan commander (not of a warbird, of a smaller ship likely inspired by the Defiant) takes on two Jem’Hadar fighters in a nebula. The Romulan commander decides to make use of a tactic that worked perfectly against the Vulcans. It involves skimming at the edge of the nebula, which drains shields but does hide the ship and allow it to ambush the enemy. It utterly fails against the Dominion, as Weyoun is aware of the tactic and explains to Dukat or Damar (don’t remember which one) that it only worked the first time because such an action is illogical. The Dominion skewered the Romulan ship.
Let’s ignore for a moment that a nebula isn’t nearly as thick as normally shown in sci-fi
"The only good tactic is a tactic only used once." - Heavy Object. Use it too much and the enemy gets used to your bullshit, might as well making you a free target than an actual threat.