It was thoroughly enjoyable, Shehzad. Thanks to everyone who gave it a listen and for all the messages to get me on something as amazing as The Pakistan Experience. Godspeed to the struggle. Cheers.
@Jamal K no tension bhai is baat ki guarantee main leta hun agar koi khuda hai bhi jisne ye qayanat banai hai wo mazhabi khuda nahi hoga. To koi fiqr karne ki baat nahi. Mazhabi khudaao ko kuch nahi pata na unhe blackhole ka pata hai na bacteria ka na dna ka uper se inka suraj bhi taalab me doobta hai. Namaz pad lia karo jumma jumma or mohammad ko durood bhejne ki jagah laanat bheja karo or jyada kisi se is baare me baat mat karna koi bhi aashique rasool nikal sakta hai. Ye khuda bhi arbi iska nabi bhi arbi iski kitaab bhi arbi aisi zubaan jo duniya ke 95% log nhi pad sakte. This is not our culture ye culture humpe mussalat kiya gaya hai
@Jamal K oh Bhai tujhe Ab god par zero percent yakeen hai.... 😕😕😕😕 Is universe ko Dekh kar koyi kah sakh tha ki ye apne aap ban gayi.... Wo bhi har cheez Itni fine ....yar there is supreme power who is running the universe.......... 😑
@@agnosticatheist1620 agar Tum kisi ko maan teh nahi ho to...... Theek hai apni apni Marji....lekin kisi ki disrespect na karee...... Or na karneee ko boley...... Apni ideology...... Apne takh seemat rakhe 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I differ with the general ideology of the speakers on this channel a lot, but I still love watching it. It’s really eye opening and thought-provoking from so many aspects.
Its at this exact moment i was thinking that Muzammil is one of the very very few political scientists/critical thinkers who I see myself looking up to. Previously, it has been the likes of Kant, marx, Mill.. and even J. Peterson (not a pol. Scientist but a critical thinker) these days. You guys did a wonderful discussion.
I always love the way syed muzzamil is suppose to put his opinion in an unbiased way and with so much rationality…minds like him can change the future of Pakistan ..love from India 😊
Thank you for this, have him on again sometime and even though I understand this is a podcast, not an interview, I felt Muzammil ko thora space zyada diya jata before you agreed/contradicted with him. :)
Brilliant as usual,,, thanks to point out the « ideological damage » caused by PTI. Replacement of Saudi’s by Turkey that I’m still struggling to understand. Erdogan k itne supporters turkey mei nahi hein jitne Pakistan mei hein. I think we need to sort out why we always need an other country/nation as example to prove how good muslims we are. Itni religious insecurity kahay ko hai 😫 PS : you are absolutely right about diaspora,,, par itna beizzati karna zaroori nahi hai 😥
At 1:18:16, Syed means - That was era of playing zero sum games where only way to progress was to plunder from others. Now, it's about positive sum games where you have to cooperate with others to win mutually beneficial games.
Bhutto did not have all the power the a democratically elected representative should have but Bhutto did what he did for power be it in relation to east Pakistan or the Ahmadis. He cared more about power than he did about these people.
Don't know what to say but you said word to word a truth. Roz din rat yahi soch soch k guzar jati hai but jawab nahi milta k ho kia raha hai es mulk main. i want to cry out loud littraly but i can't because of extremism. sorry to say but i believe we are worst possible nation exist in the face of this world. Again sorry to say
A humble request to the host. Since this is your podcast you get opportunity to convey your thoughts. But I really wanted to hear Muzammil’s point of view uninterrupted. I felt you did not let him finish when ever he wanted to make a point. What’s the point of inviting him? But don’t get me wrong . We live your podcast and feel you are doing a great job.
01:03:55 Capitalism has been agreed upon by many the right and left that it is better than the previous systems (slavery and fuedalism), the difference arises later on when some want to keep it and others want to find a system better than that, that transitioning period in europe was a transition from fuedalism to capitalism which was one step towards freedom, not absolute freedom, so i think them adopting 'capitalism' at that stage is not exactly 'kanjarpana' considering the situation they were in. But england is still 'kanjarpana' with regards to how they enslaved people and colonized half of the planet and then raped it.
Thanks for clearing air about Hasan nisar, a lot of people in india like him because he is quite blunt and often points out disease correctly just without the cure..
When people ask Shehzad 'what is that higher self'? .. Shehzad's eye lit up. I feel you bro. If people had experienced even a drop of that experience they would know the limits & trap of their intellectualism for which they are so arrogant all the time.
I hope in this life time I will be able to visit Pakistan, I have heard so many wonderful things about Pakistan despite so much negative journalism or media from both side.
Thoroughly loved it guys. Even though I have a lot of differences on various issues with you guys but it was a treat listening to both of your views. Keep preaching rationality and reasoning. I must say, May sanity and tolerance prevail in our beautiful land, Pakistan.💚
Please the total time duration of the talk should always be around 60 minutes i.e one hour only. The discussion is of high quality and quite informative.
Yea totally agree. You took too much space of your guests views. I'm sure people know your views. I didn't get to hear his views completely. Especially about the dualism conversation about oppressor-oppressed concept. You both didn't get to explore the conversation about how ''US came with its raptors into Afghanistan for democracy'' or how you believed that today there is still a concept of 'empire'. That would be great to explore...rather than the premiere league lol. And you said you had 7 to 8 points to respond to him about his views about the lack of rational tradition in pk... I think that could be good to pick up in the next podcast. And please give more space to the lad before you challenge (rightfully), that was frustrating to watch. For me the rationality vs ignorance debate was the cream of this convo. Would love to see more of that. Thanks for doing this
I don't agree with more of your far left thoughts where in my Idea the far left was more responsible for mass murders than the far-right, but I still like your podcast so much and I really appreciate it and encourage you and your channel to do more videos like this and keep touching sensitive topics. as it has been said, "I don't agree with you but I will fight till my last breath to protect your right of speech".
When you are enslaved and colonised and you yourselves refuse to acknowledge this or fight against it or even resist it, how can you expect outsiders to respect your struggle. Very disappointed key aap 2013 key Imran Khan ko vote dey detay. He is phoney and charlatan and has been so from day one.
29:00 Exactly same thing happened me with Modi 😅😅😅 There is contrast difference between CM Modi vs PM Modi.... I was so excited when Modi was PM candidate in 2013 & even till 2016. He now lost interaction with people now.
I think Modi hasn't changed. Just that it is easier to control a state and focus on development but on national level, game is different - diversity of religions, inter-state issues, exposure to media increases and player has to spend energy on keeping this relations intact instead of focusing on development. That's why I think diversity is major factor responsible for lack of India's growth as compared to China.
Wo keh rhay han k non Muslims ki jaga pr masjid beshaq ban jaae pr zakir nayak ko apni jaga mandir pasand nahi h. Kyun k according to him 2+2=4 hota h. If I'm not wrong he used that as an example to say that islam is the only right religion
@@lancecorporal6119agr ap zakir naayak ko sunain to uska general point hi ye h ki islam is the only right religion aur hum baaki religions ko allow nahi krtay kyun k wo wrong han. He even said k agr ap islam se convert ho jaen dusray religion me to you deserve death. I think ye general baat kr rhay han koi specific nahi
1:07:38 bitter truth of our generation that every other person wants to achieve this state of selflessnes and do not even think of achieving anything in this life. it pains my brain, everytime i think about it. 😑
I totally I understand what your saying sir. End of the day if all about education. Our conscious comes from our family, school and society. It’s hard to change the family and society aspect but school, is the place you taught practical philosophy. The problem if our people their so consume with conspiracy theory and forget about facts and logic. If people are educated I’m sure their can think for themselves well
Why can't someone just criticise,satirise or mock Islam? It's a different thing than attacking muslims. And it's true that often bigots don't differentiate between the two but that does not mean that someone should not attack the ills of Islam or the ills in societies dominated by Islam. This argument is very similar to the sanghi argument, where any criticism of Hinduism and the Hindu society is met with aggressive retorts such as "why do you sickulars only attack Hindus. What about muslims and Christians?" They too have now started using the word hinduphobia. Religions have disproportionate power in politics and society and it is very important to attack them.
The fact is that in India only hindu Dharm is criticised but others are spared completely specially Islam which mind you, has if not more but same amount of ills, has polarized the society. Honestly being a Hindu, I don't mind criticism at all but when people are only targeting my beliefs for even a small mistake by someone and not criticizing others, forget criticism actually, people start justifying and whitewashing ills of other religions, it just makes me furious. And it also makes me conservative even if I want to be liberal in political terms. But I am liberal by heart.
It was thoroughly enjoyable, Shehzad. Thanks to everyone who gave it a listen and for all the messages to get me on something as amazing as The Pakistan Experience. Godspeed to the struggle. Cheers.
@Jamal K no tension bhai is baat ki guarantee main leta hun agar koi khuda hai bhi jisne ye qayanat banai hai wo mazhabi khuda nahi hoga. To koi fiqr karne ki baat nahi. Mazhabi khudaao ko kuch nahi pata na unhe blackhole ka pata hai na bacteria ka na dna ka uper se inka suraj bhi taalab me doobta hai. Namaz pad lia karo jumma jumma or mohammad ko durood bhejne ki jagah laanat bheja karo or jyada kisi se is baare me baat mat karna koi bhi aashique rasool nikal sakta hai. Ye khuda bhi arbi iska nabi bhi arbi iski kitaab bhi arbi aisi zubaan jo duniya ke 95% log nhi pad sakte. This is not our culture ye culture humpe mussalat kiya gaya hai
It was a phenomenonal session.
@Jamal K oh Bhai tujhe Ab god par zero percent yakeen hai.... 😕😕😕😕
Is universe ko Dekh kar koyi kah sakh tha ki ye apne aap ban gayi.... Wo bhi har cheez Itni fine ....yar there is supreme power who is running the universe.......... 😑
@Islamabadi Atheist agar koyi god nikla toh...... 😕😕😕😕.......then
@@agnosticatheist1620 agar Tum kisi ko maan teh nahi ho to...... Theek hai apni apni Marji....lekin kisi ki disrespect na karee...... Or na karneee ko boley...... Apni ideology...... Apne takh seemat rakhe 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Amazing Podcast, Syed Muzammil Shah is a blessing to this society.
I differ with the general ideology of the speakers on this channel a lot, but I still love watching it. It’s really eye opening and thought-provoking from so many aspects.
@@ThePakistanExperience shehzad sir kindly ask short questions and give more time to the guest. Interrupt na kare guest ko bat puri krne de.
After so so many year's of mainstream Pakistani news media, these guys are gems in an ocean of despair.
Its at this exact moment i was thinking that Muzammil is one of the very very few political scientists/critical thinkers who I see myself looking up to. Previously, it has been the likes of Kant, marx, Mill.. and even J. Peterson (not a pol. Scientist but a critical thinker) these days. You guys did a wonderful discussion.
I always love the way syed muzzamil is suppose to put his opinion in an unbiased way and with so much rationality…minds like him can change the future of Pakistan ..love from India 😊
Thank you for this, have him on again sometime and even though I understand this is a podcast, not an interview, I felt Muzammil ko thora space zyada diya jata before you agreed/contradicted with him. :)
Great podcast .
Sachai apne aap dikhti hai apke podcast mein.
Love from New Delhi , India.
@@ThePakistanExperience 👍🏻👍🏻 really appreciate your ocean of knowledge.❤️❤️
Watching it again today. One of my favorite episodes of yours. I admire this man Muzzamil.
Shazad you are doing great job .. i watched your 4 podcast . Ammar Taimur pervez hoodbhoy and now syed muzammil. These all are my favourite.
@@ThePakistanExperience Zaror ! Now i connected with you .❣
Shehzad Bhai contact share Ker dain
+923338417852
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@@waqasahmad933 or ganji swag 😕😕
Brilliant as usual,,, thanks to point out the « ideological damage » caused by PTI. Replacement of Saudi’s by Turkey that I’m still struggling to understand. Erdogan k itne supporters turkey mei nahi hein jitne Pakistan mei hein.
I think we need to sort out why we always need an other country/nation as example to prove how good muslims we are. Itni religious insecurity kahay ko hai 😫
PS : you are absolutely right about diaspora,,, par itna beizzati karna zaroori nahi hai 😥
Shahzad... i am a great grandmother and am still learning from you about new ways of understanding. Thank you!🎉
❤
I wrote off IK when he was delivering his inaugural speech.
The rhetoric of Riyasat e Madina was so hypocritical
Great discussion. Please let the guest complete his thoughts. Thank you!
Wish such honest discussion happen in India as well, people should fearlessly question Gov and modi
Thank you for putting this on Google podcast as well.
Thank you Shahzad bringing it up . Amazing content . Really appreciated.
AAAA loved it. I love this guy soo much
Great podcast . syed Muzammil who inspire people to reading . ❣
Dude your channel brings a smile on my face
- love from india
Try contacting Tammy bhat pls have a podcast with him
Very constructive debate, really appreciate your thoughts. I enjoyed a lot. Keep up the good work, all the best from across the border.
Best 2 hours 12 mins ever spent 🙌. Following him on TH-cam.
@@ThePakistanExperience he should do a collab with Ali Aftab Saeed
Major crush ❣️
Awesome podcast. Kudos to both of you. Shahzed, how do you find time to read so much? I wish that for myself too.
Dear friend,,i am from Delhi,but I see your programs repeatedly , and the same are fair and enlightening threadbare in analysis 🙏
At 1:18:16, Syed means - That was era of playing zero sum games where only way to progress was to plunder from others. Now, it's about positive sum games where you have to cooperate with others to win mutually beneficial games.
Great podcast. All his videos on his youtube channel are amazing and spot on. He is very precise and clear in his analysis. Do invite him again.
Bhutto did not have all the power the a democratically elected representative should have but Bhutto did what he did for power be it in relation to east Pakistan or the Ahmadis. He cared more about power than he did about these people.
Thank you very much both of you Shehzad and Muzammil Bhai for making such informative podcast.❤️Love You Guys.
Don't know what to say but you said word to word a truth. Roz din rat yahi soch soch k guzar jati hai but jawab nahi milta k ho kia raha hai es mulk main. i want to cry out loud littraly but i can't because of extremism. sorry to say but i believe we are worst possible nation exist in the face of this world. Again sorry to say
Muzammil shah is one of the most intellectual personalities in Pakistan
Maybe you should let the speaker speak more than yourself :p
But honestly, what clarity of thought this man has!
Muzammil is really a gem !
A humble request to the host.
Since this is your podcast you get opportunity to convey your thoughts.
But I really wanted to hear Muzammil’s point of view uninterrupted. I felt you did not let him finish when ever he wanted to make a point.
What’s the point of inviting him?
But don’t get me wrong . We live your podcast and feel you are doing a great job.
Happy to see such two brilliant mind from Pakistan❤
❤️
I started to follow you a few months ago and now watching all your previous podcasts....I must you have evolved your channel beautifully
One of the best Fantastic show, Shehzad.
I am shocked as well k 70% people are agree with Muzammil Shah. wow
Beautiful logical supermen conversation love you
Thanks Shehzad Sheikh and Syed Muzammil for this very enlightened podcast.
Always a treat to watch you two. Looking forward to more sessions. It’s been long.
Syed muzammil is a renaissance man❤
wow . What a great podcast.
Kudos to Muzammil for standing up for rational thought.
Amazing conversation,much appreciated 👏👏👏👏👏there should be another one with more dissection of philosophies and economics
One of the best podcast 🌠
01:03:55 Capitalism has been agreed upon by many the right and left that it is better than the previous systems (slavery and fuedalism), the difference arises later on when some want to keep it and others want to find a system better than that, that transitioning period in europe was a transition from fuedalism to capitalism which was one step towards freedom, not absolute freedom, so i think them adopting 'capitalism' at that stage is not exactly 'kanjarpana' considering the situation they were in.
But england is still 'kanjarpana' with regards to how they enslaved people and colonized half of the planet and then raped it.
I believe capitalism is the best system to run a society, at least as of now.
Sayed Muzzamil..Iove you.♥️♥️♥️♥️
Not meant to overlap.. as mentioned.
To me, the best part was seeing Muzzamil smiling....cuz in his own videos, he is always serious n agitated.
He mentioned hoodbhoy...I wish muzammil one day you have a collaborative video with dr.hoodbhoy .you guys are almost same in thinking.
2 hours passed quite quickly.
@@ThePakistanExperience loved it❤
Great conversation as always. 👌
amazing shows, nice work.
🙌
Pakistan’s best podcast 🏆🏆
Very interesting
I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast! You must call this guest again! Very enlightening!
👍👍 very good analytical information
Very enlightening. We need more eloquent intellectuals like Syed Muzammil.
Bahe eik baat batao ye interview apka tha ya muzamil ka??
Thank you brothers
🙌
Really man, I don’t think any Pakistani person can speak that much truth and still alive in Pakistan.
Hum dono zinda hain
Watching Syed Muzammil even for 10 min is a treat. His knowledge, articulation is impeccable
18:05 He is talking about Syed Haider Ali.
1:09:00 Muzammil thinks like a post modernist, somewhat like Zizek, what a chad.
Thanks for clearing air about Hasan nisar, a lot of people in india like him because he is quite blunt and often points out disease correctly just without the cure..
can you get ravish kumar on your podcast ? he will be available in facebook and not twitter
When people ask Shehzad 'what is that higher self'? .. Shehzad's eye lit up. I feel you bro. If people had experienced even a drop of that experience they would know the limits & trap of their intellectualism for which they are so arrogant all the time.
@@ThePakistanExperience doesn't change the fact that it is just happening in your head.
I hope in this life time I will be able to visit Pakistan, I have heard so many wonderful things about Pakistan despite so much negative journalism or media from both side.
Thoroughly loved it guys. Even though I have a lot of differences on various issues with you guys but it was a treat listening to both of your views. Keep preaching rationality and reasoning. I must say, May sanity and tolerance prevail in our beautiful land, Pakistan.💚
I like Hasan Nisar's jumla "Jaisa munha waisi chaped "
Please the total time duration of the talk should always be around 60 minutes i.e one hour only. The discussion is of high quality and quite informative.
@@ThePakistanExperience the longer the better imo. Love your work shehzad ✌️
01:14:40
Aaj bhi Ghazwa e Hind oor
Wo dajjal wali Jang
Ki kahanian sell hote hain oor loog accept kartee hain...
Always love and pleasure to hear you bhai❤️
Yea totally agree. You took too much space of your guests views. I'm sure people know your views. I didn't get to hear his views completely.
Especially about the dualism conversation about oppressor-oppressed concept. You both didn't get to explore the conversation about how ''US came with its raptors into Afghanistan for democracy'' or how you believed that today there is still a concept of 'empire'. That would be great to explore...rather than the premiere league lol.
And you said you had 7 to 8 points to respond to him about his views about the lack of rational tradition in pk... I think that could be good to pick up in the next podcast. And please give more space to the lad before you challenge (rightfully), that was frustrating to watch. For me the rationality vs ignorance debate was the cream of this convo. Would love to see more of that. Thanks for doing this
I don't agree with more of your far left thoughts where in my Idea the far left was more responsible for mass murders than the far-right, but I still like your podcast so much and I really appreciate it and encourage you and your channel to do more videos like this and keep touching sensitive topics. as it has been said, "I don't agree with you but I will fight till my last breath to protect your right of speech".
You are indian
Ghias bhai bari choonai kr k bandy chunn k laaty ho waah, Muzammi shah dabang speaker hai wahwa.
I dont think of you as a second Hassan nisar. You are the first SYED MUZZAMIL. period.
Love it
When you are enslaved and colonised and you yourselves refuse to acknowledge this or fight against it or even resist it, how can you expect outsiders to respect your struggle. Very disappointed key aap 2013 key Imran Khan ko vote dey detay. He is phoney and charlatan and has been so from day one.
Here for syed muzammil official
Ps let muzammil complete his argument
Muzammil for President
Muzammil personifies the “ triumph of the bun kebab “ he is far cooler in every way to most burgers in Pakistan
لو یو مزمل ، آپ بہت بہادر اور دلیر صحافی ہیں ، سلامت رہیں
شکریہ مزمل کو بلانے پہ
29:00 Exactly same thing happened me with Modi 😅😅😅
There is contrast difference between CM Modi vs PM Modi....
I was so excited when Modi was PM candidate in 2013 & even till 2016.
He now lost interaction with people now.
Very funny,can u give any one valid reason,very general statement, he won with more seats in 2019 n you are saying he has lost contact with ppl.
I think Modi hasn't changed. Just that it is easier to control a state and focus on development but on national level, game is different - diversity of religions, inter-state issues, exposure to media increases and player has to spend energy on keeping this relations intact instead of focusing on development.
That's why I think diversity is major factor responsible for lack of India's growth as compared to China.
Well done, lets fight together
Muzammil is criminally underrated!
That is natural. Average caliber, poorly informed, bigoted minds cannot understand what he says. They are the majority.
I didnt understand the zakir naik point (@ 1:39:10 ) can you please explain?
Wo keh rhay han k non Muslims ki jaga pr masjid beshaq ban jaae pr zakir nayak ko apni jaga mandir pasand nahi h. Kyun k according to him 2+2=4 hota h. If I'm not wrong he used that as an example to say that islam is the only right religion
@@randomcommentor8075 oh did he mean ke no mandir in a Islamic country yah kisi specific jagah ki baat kar rahay thay?
@@lancecorporal6119agr ap zakir naayak ko sunain to uska general point hi ye h ki islam is the only right religion aur hum baaki religions ko allow nahi krtay kyun k wo wrong han. He even said k agr ap islam se convert ho jaen dusray religion me to you deserve death. I think ye general baat kr rhay han koi specific nahi
@@randomcommentor8075 oh ok
Actions are based on Intent and Ideas on their outcome, at 8:17. Kindly, the correlation here?
Can any tell what is purpose of this show...
Actually I am new on this channel 😕😕
@@ThePakistanExperience OK you are left or right winger......which ideology you follow
1:07:38 bitter truth of our generation that every other person wants to achieve this state of selflessnes and do not even think of achieving anything in this life. it pains my brain, everytime i think about it. 😑
18:09 Syed Muzammil is talking about Syed Ali Haider.
Ali haider is so annoying !
I totally I understand what your saying sir. End of the day if all about education. Our conscious comes from our family, school and society. It’s hard to change the family and society aspect but school, is the place you taught practical philosophy. The problem if our people their so consume with conspiracy theory and forget about facts and logic. If people are educated I’m sure their can think for themselves well
CSS ki baat kdr hoi!!
syed bhtai jaan most intelligent pakistani
South park made fun of Islam?!!? They also feared death so censored themselves.
Please record book review sessions 🙏
Sir, you should use some good lighting, the video quality is very poor. Otherwise the podcast is supreme!
@@ThePakistanExperience ok sir g!
Why can't someone just criticise,satirise or mock Islam? It's a different thing than attacking muslims. And it's true that often bigots don't differentiate between the two but that does not mean that someone should not attack the ills of Islam or the ills in societies dominated by Islam.
This argument is very similar to the sanghi argument, where any criticism of Hinduism and the Hindu society is met with aggressive retorts such as "why do you sickulars only attack Hindus. What about muslims and Christians?" They too have now started using the word hinduphobia.
Religions have disproportionate power in politics and society and it is very important to attack them.
The fact is that in India only hindu Dharm is criticised but others are spared completely specially Islam which mind you, has if not more but same amount of ills, has polarized the society. Honestly being a Hindu, I don't mind criticism at all but when people are only targeting my beliefs for even a small mistake by someone and not criticizing others, forget criticism actually, people start justifying and whitewashing ills of other religions, it just makes me furious. And it also makes me conservative even if I want to be liberal in political terms. But I am liberal by heart.
Slaam!
Behtareen
here just to watch hands of muzammil
I need his channel link
These are my two best young people in Pakistan I love to listen. They both are setting a very high standard. Thanks both of you.