Partition of India and the role of Quaid -e-Azam - Professor Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed - TPE
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- Professor Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is the Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Stockholm University, he has taught at LUMS and Government College, Lahore, as well. He is the author of "The Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed" and "Pakistan: The Garrison State", he is about to release his third book on Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss why he believes Pakistan was created as a buffer state between the Soviet Union and India by the British and the role of Quaid-e-Azam in the creation of Pakistan.
Was Jinnah working with the British?
Did the Radcliffe Award favour India or Pakistan?
Who started the massacres in Punjab?
Why did the Sikhs not join Pakistan?
Find out on this week's episode of the Pakistan Experience. Probably the most important conversation on partition that you will ever hear.
The Pakistan Experience is a podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan, and Pakistanis, through the lost art of conversation. - บันเทิง
Dear Shehzad Ghias, I am writing again to thank you from the depth of my heart for this fantastic interview you did with me. It has elicited very great interest as I see from the comments. I am grateful to all who expressed their views and most views have been very supportive. The few who disagree or are angry are also needed so that we all exchange our views freely. I wish you and Pakistan Experience all the very best for now and for your future endeavours.
After this interview I started reading your book , Its such an Masterpiece .
Dear Dr Sb u have done great job.
@@arifnasr thank you.
You have done a good research..Will definitely read your book..thanks sir
@@arvinderkang6596 thank you.
I am impressed by Dr Ishtiaq . I am already his fan . I am an Indian , a retired District Judge . Dr Ishtiaq completely changed my perception about partition . Thanks Dr Ishtiaq
Thank you very much Justice Prakash Paranjape.
@@Billumian47 Dear Sir , Only one book of yours about partition of Punjab is available in Hindi, I wish rest 2 books are also translated soon . Respect for you.
Ok parrot how many books read in ur life.
@@bbc6799 be respectful dude..😐😐
Which other Islamist radical are you a fan of? Osama ? Hafiz Sayed?
Everybody is appreciating Dr Sahaab, which is absolutely justified. But I would like to appreciate Shehzad for doing his homework and asking such thoughtful questions, kamaal!!!
Agree, from India. Wonderfully informative.
I feel sorry for the moderate thinking people who are genetically Indian but they're stuck in this fiasco called Pakistan.
What Muslims has achieved by getting Pakistan? Where it stands at international level? BUT
India has relieve from united muslim fundamentalism fanaticism through division amongst them.
India is globally today amongst top 5 gdp economy, 4th powerful military, and most stable leadership thus Pakistan has unmatched to the mighty Indians across the sectors.
Now any misadventure done by Pakistan would leading them to join the clubs of destroyed Afghanistan- Syria- Iraq.
Must be embarrasing to be a Pakistani. Apart from being tragic.
Veřy good analysis
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" koi state sacred nahi, Insaniyat sacred hai " 👌👌
Love with human partition destroy everything my 90 p family killed
@@imranyousaf5389 mera v hum rawalpindi rehtay thay
Pakistanis want a lot without working for anything. Not ready to take responsibility. Not ready to own anything. But want front role in everything. So funny.
Just imagine Shehzad, I’m almost 50 and I don’t know anything about my own country’s past! Thanks so much for bringing logic and rationale into the Indo-Pak conversation. A million thanks to you and Professor Ishtiak for this insightful dialogue.
We need to relook at the popular narrative spun masterfully by our erstwhile rulers and current political class. We are busy shunning Nehru back home, and Professor Ishtiak is calling him a true statesman.
And the truth is in between.
Nehru will get appreciation & Redicule where deserved
Indeed Jawaharl Lal Nehru was a statement. India really needs go back to Nehruism.
Nehru created kashmir problem. By his manhandling
... Bharat needs --> Gandhi + Nehru + Patel + Shashtree + Modi + NeoModi ..... ?! @@induchopra3014
This is really an unprecedented conversation which completely eliminates the tricky myths regarding Pakistan's creation inculcated in our minds by the mafias who are dominating it right at the moment, I mean the military establishment and mollahs.. May Allah bless us with more and more Ishtaiqs so that we as a nation may be saved from further distortion.. The credit also goes to the interviewer who has made this conversation very informative and valuable by asking the best and to the point questions.. Both of you are able to be appreciated for this great feat..
Extremely excellent discussion. Revelation of such facts is necessary for younger generation. True learning of history will help us to shape better future of Pakistan and the Region.
We are the victims of Egos, Greed & personal scores and so Third party (Britishers) used this to remain (Passive) ruler even after leaving this part of word till now.
Unfortunately true and most unfortunate for us.
Absolutely right, we are the victims by our own hands
So true sir..,.it's horrifying ...but truth
@@pinturai9431 no dude...you don't know the horrors and this division lead us to never ending battle..we accomodated Hyderabad, accomodated southern states who were demanding freedom... accomodated north east are still fighting.insurgency and are negotiating with naga in Nagaland..
@@abhaypatel4292 stupid ,your answer is out of topic.only first and second line is true related to question but the rest is .
Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is a genius person.. His research on our history is greart... We all. INDIAN respect him a lot... Sach aise bahar anaa bohat zaroori hai... Dono countries ke liye
What a rooh-parwar conversation! Oh God!
I would like to say amazing for the two of you.
I think Dr. Ishitaq mentioned one very important point. Gandhi was there in the midst of massacre urging people to stop killing. And where was Jinnah. Nowhere.
After a long long time I saw beautiful interview . The credit goes to Prof. Saab but credit also to the interviewer who did this interview with all sincerity . Hats off to him . Prof. Saheb you’re have broken quiet a few myths about the partition . Please do tell us about the book when it get released I am sure it will be a good read.
Biggest blunder and his history
Ppppppppppppp
@@imranyousaf5389 What's this habit of Punjabis and all ethnicities who were ruled by the British. It doesn't mean that you distort history just because your masters the British gave you English schools, printing press, cinemas, radio, factories, parliament, trained armies, railways, dams, bridges and much more. NO tribal of NWFP was interested in Kashmir, especially in 1948. NWFP voted for Congress and Bacha Khan had a strong following there. NWFP used Indian and Afghan currency until 1970's. It was Punjabi army-the stooges of the British in civilian clothes who attacked Kashmir. Nehru and Indian leaders had written off Kashmir and had informed the Maharaja that he can join Pakistan, The Proxy attack by Pakistan gave India good reason to stay there permanently. After the so called "tribal" attack , Sheikh Abdullah appealed to India for help as the "tribals" ( read army) were looting and raping ( as ordered by Jinnah) the Muslim women. They were not into liberating Kashmir. India insisted that it could not help as Kashmir had not acceded to India. The Sheikh then signed the papers of accession and India sent in its army. This is how British stooge Jinnah handed over Kashmir to India. The other stooge of British aka Punjabi army is 100% responsible for the destruction of Pakistan's economy and political institutions.
You are bringing forth the objective history. Pakistani masses need this much needed clarity. The books that we read after our schooling are being talked about openly. Great work. Keep it up.
An excellent interview marred by terrible technical glitches - many crucial parts of the discussion are inaudible.
Interviewer and the guest both are superb. Refreshing to hear realistic honest view from a Pakistani....
@@binurajs yes, I know him. I have read his book. Don't know the in nterviewer though..
Both of them are good One for his knowledge the other for his ignorance Which is not his fault He has studied under the Pakistani education system
Jinnah did not sacrifice or go to jail for Pakistan..he was used by British to carry out their
agenda. He was not a radical Muslim or a devout muslim..he was handpicked by British for his English and western dress..he was living in London..he was given a task,he acheived it. Thats why we dont see him stand for Sikhs. He had no mind of his own..he took orders from the British.
Rarely do we hear such a well researched, truthful, unbiased analysis from a deeply patriotic Pakistani with regard for humanity,modesty, and truthfulness.Salute,Sir!
My grandmother lost her mental bearings while fleeing from karachi with one child in the belly and two in her arms. The Partition was evil and has ruined atleast 7 if not more generations. Its so unpleasant.... unbearable to hear those stories. Our grandparents lived through hell ....those who did not get killed.
Really impressed and astonished to hear ishtiyaq sir.
I am Mohammad saajid from kashmir india
Great ji aaj kal youtube pe dr ishtiaq ka channel block hai
What a gentleman god bless him🙏.
Learned historian and a humane person.
And interviewer too is quite unbiased and great listener.
Waiting for sir third book . I have also read his other two books
People should also read these books.
Can you tell me his book list?
Bhai per ye books mileyeingi kuhan ???
جو اپنے آباؤ اجداد کی زمین، دریا اور مذہب سے جڑے ہوئے ہیں، وہ پانچ سال میں ایسا کر لیتے ہیں۔
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Ishtiaq sir is a very balanced person .... i follow him often ..... every interview of him gives more clarity ..... about the past ..... thanks for the interview.
Thank you for doing these interviews and bringing these academics in my radar.
Loved how he complimented him on his interviewing skills
Hope this interview is widely watched in India and also acknowledge Nehru tried to stop partition. Thanks for all the information in simplified manner. Didn’t know you before but got to know about your sojourn in our treasure, India. Have a nice time here.
Thank you very much, Shehzad and Professor Ahmed. Enlightening video.
One request: Shehzad, can you clean up the audio please?
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yar the interview was soo much interesting eye opening.. but Doktor saab ki awaz baar baar cut rahi thi.. plz ask him to improve his internet connection.. coz i couldnot understand alot of the words...
And because of Jinnah we Bangali had to suffere a lot he made a land part of his country that has nothing common.
@Aminah Awan better than your Pokistan 😂😂
Why did Bengalis vote for Pakistan tho
Again l like to say thanks from core of my heart because your work is very much informative because I am a student of history and there is no different between your and my views partition of India and due to visionary approach of J.L. Nehru that our democracy remain save till today
Massacre of Sikhs in Rawalpindi sat off killings on either side. One of my sikh friend's mother was witness to that tragedy, as she was a child and survived by hiding.
Sikhs history is full of Muslims killing murdering Sikhs. Read their history. Read your own history. Why sikh population in Pakistan is so less???? Where are Sikhs of Pakistan????
Massacre in reply to Massacre isn't justified. If 5 thousand were killed in one area by one majority, 7 thousand got killed in reply by other majority in another area. Now what was the mistake of those 13 thousands, they were not the culprits why did they pay for the crime of other people of their believes. What happened in Rawalpindi cannt justified what happened afterwards
Pakistan needs Academics like him such a inspirational figure...
Shahzad, you are a case study against those who say: man is selfish by nature. Wonderful work!
High Quality content, Great pair People, thanks a lot for doing this interview, highly appreciated 😌👌🏻
Just discovered your podcast series - so many good ones! And this one is amazing!
Dear Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed , I am hugely impressed by your scholarship - I am from Mumbai India . I belong to a family which migrated from Lahore during partition and have a natural affinity for eastern Punjab . There is a raging controversy about the reason why British left India in 1947 . Congressmen & left historians give the reason that it was Congress / Gandhi & Nehru - this is also the ‘official history’ of Independent India post independence as all these historians were leaning towards Nehru’s contribution and totally ignoring the contribution of Subhash Bose and his INA .
Some recent revelations say the British were unnerved by January 1946 rebellion by British Navy and other such instances of expected rebellion and the Viceroy wanted 1 lac British troops in India to keep India under control . Also during Atlee’s visit to Calcutta in 1955/56 , when asked why British left India he said categorically INA and that Gandhi’s role in making Britain leave I dia was MINIMAL .
As you are a great historian of that period I wud request your views on this matter please .
Bose was on the left
@@anshuraj4277 don't hurt him
Hi, look from what I understand is that Atlee a British Prime Minister will never accept that 'they lost'. I mean they always believed they were superior how could they say Gandhi/Nehru/Navy Revolts made them leave India.
When the 2nd World War ended the masses were aware. They had just seen British fight Japan/Germany because they were being imperialistic (exactly what Britishers themselves were). The will of the people was strengthened by all of the above be it S.C Bose's Azad Hind Fauj + Navy Revolts + Red fort trials + Bengal Famine + Quit India Movement.
Other factors such as the Balance of power changed in favour of USA and USSR. In fact Britain themselves had to take loans from USA to reconstruct their nation. And British soldiers were done with war. They were in no mood to stay away from their families and fight in India after seeing the destruction.
Also, British rule was very much dependent on the civil servants in Indian who were themselves Indian. With the Navy Incident and Azad Hind Fauj they understood that they cannot trust the Indians anymore.
It's all a combination is what I mean, but definitely not what Atlee said, you can't expect them to not save their faces you know.
Bose was hardcore communist whereas Nehru was centrist. get your facts right
I'm here for first time.
Dr. Ishtiyaq seems a very thoughtful and rational. Peoples like him changing the pre conceived motion about creation of Pakistan.
Every Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi should have aware about the great game!!
Hindus and Muslims was very safe in a common sky, then why the separatist politics uprised exponentially during 40's ? That was definitely an external encouragement for the same.
1. Majority Muslims was Safe in Hindu king rule (kashmir)
2. Muslims and Hindus were safe in Sikh ruled Punjab.
3. Hindus was safe in long Prosperous Mughal Empire.
4. Later, Hindus and Muslims both were very happy and prosperous during reigns of Muslim Nababs of Bengal.
5. Muslim, Christian, parsis, Jain's had no Issue in Mighty Maratha Empire, Even the founder of maratha Empire, sivaji had muslim cannonman (topchi). 'the most value war weapons during mediaeval period'.
Indian Subcontinent can't be prosperous without unifying. And we oppose it.... This is our unfortunate.
Shahzad this is the way to go.
Touchè buddy.
Amazing episode.
SALUTE TO DOCTOR ISHTIAQ AHMED.
Yeah I was waiting for it. Thank you Shehzad❣
Very good and honest effort. Gr8 discussion and good homework done by host. It is pleasure to find such informed hosts.
Nicely calculated interview
Appriciate both the guest and the host.
Thank you so much for inviting him. Loved it
جو اپنے آباؤ اجداد کی زمین، دریا اور مذہب سے جڑے ہوئے ہیں، وہ پانچ سال میں ایسا کر لیتے ہیں۔
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IM just glad that there are honest conversations are happening in Pakistan. I hope both countries realise that their best interest is in moving forward together. But for that both countries need to put their houses in order.
Then who stops u people to have a conversation over caste based discrimination in India ??
@@PradeepSaddha0 it is happening since I was born. In school books it was written caste based discrimination is social evil. There are intellectuals, movies, books which are applauded and there is a ongoing conversation as long as I remember. In urban areas caste based discrimination is declined. In villages my generation is also quite aware and keep
harmony with people from different caste and religion. You have to see it in broader perspective. There are still people who does this but they are not entertained in mainstream.
@@Vk-sk7nm no I don agree that it has been declined or moving towards dat side, it has become micro in urban areas, I live in delhi i was born in delhi n brought up in delhi, i know caste system is an integral part of Hindu religion, if you see Hindu without aste system Hindu religion starts collapsing.. so no need to say it is declined it is moving towards a more complex form which will definitely create a type of situation of civil war, on the top of the hierarchy will suffer the most.
That’ll take……. 500 years
@@dharmicindia6325 it starts happening, in lower strata, low caste groups start organizing in India as well as in Europe and US...
Wonderful . I am pleased with the person who interviewed Dr Ishiataq .
Dude i love this show. you're the best shehzad 🌻💜
Where did this guy come from? Good work by the interviewer as well. Good to see people knowing their stuff!
@@binurajs If you like fiction good read
Great man Possibly the best Pakistani historian
@@thafeez786 I lived the Partition. What fiction are you talking about?
Very informative interview and thank you both for both arranging and conducting the meeting and enlightening us. Gems of reason and wisdom from the hard work of Dr. Ahmad.
Good interview. Enjoyed listening to the conversation.
Thank you for this. I have to away and wrap my mind around all that I learnt/ discovered today. Now I cannot I ‘us think’ the many things that emerged from this chat.
Great work of history and truth by professor Sahab
Commendable effort Shahjad. Indeed impressed with u !! Listening Dr Ishtiaq is always a pleasure. Hope u can share relavant links. Plz have more sessions with him. Wish u succes in all ur endeavours !!
Ok I think I am addicted to Dr. Ahmed - have listened to him back to back over the last week or so and still I want more and have heaps of questions.
Another brilliant interview
In awe of Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed’s intellectual honesty, clarity of thought, eloquence and mastery of subject. His thorough research and evidence based conclusions in an attempt to analyse a bloody and bitter part of our mutual history is delivered with refreshing transparency. In the polarised world of today where propaganda rules the sound waves, Prof. Dr Ishtiaq’s enlightened voice is so very welcome. His research and voice should be amplified as much possible.
This is such a good effort at bringing out information unique to the painful partition! You got a new subscriber!
Yesterday I bought the book.. Punjab bloodied. partitioned.... I am reading it today..... Superb work and superb book by Shri istiyaq Ahmad Sir
From where
Hindi version or english one
@@navneetsingh8169 english version.... I think no hindi version is available... I bought online from Amazon
Can u plz post the link here
@@navneetsingh8169 www.amazon.in/dp/8129129612?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@navneetsingh8169 it's printed price is Rs. 495 but Amazon charged 712 ruppe.so try any other way to purchase...
Amazing as dr shaib said you were fully prepared
Look forward to more informed and balanced interview
Enjoyed the insightful history lessons!!
Loved every beat of this interview. He's so impartial and presented the details beautifully with arguments.
Thank you so much for such an illuminating podcast. It really helped to unshackle my mind from the mountain of absurdities that was fed since childhood.
Allama Mashriqi's grandson (Nasim Yousaf) wrote in his book published in 2007:
"The main objective of dividing India was to keep any regional power from rising against the
West. The intricacies of this are described as follows.
First, the aim was to weaken the Muslims ... On the other hand, Pakistan was also created ...to prevent the rise of
Hindus ...Through East and West wings of Pakistan, the world powers could pull India’s strings as and when desired.
India was also divided to thwart the spread of communism. It was felt that India might
go far left, and communism might spread into India, which would pose a significant threat to the
West... Hence, the West wanted to prevent the influence of communism from spreading into the region..."
1) Hidden Facts Behind British India's Freedom: A Scholarly Look Into Allama Mashraqi and Quaid-E-Azam's Political Conflict (2007), page 296
Thanks for sharing this. We must face our history. Presently in the present times where new divisive forces are again rising.
@@Diwana71 Thanks! Author Nasim Yousaf (Allama Mashriqi's grandson) views about Jinnah, Gandhi & the partition of India
facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref=
th-cam.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
Must Read: "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi"
archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi
@Labhesh Haria آ
@Labhesh Haria Thanks for your nice comment. You should read Mr. Nasim Yousaf's (Allama Mashriqi's grandson and researcher) books on Jinnah and Gandhi. Being a grandson of Allama sahib, he is the only researcher/author who knows the inside stories about Jinnah, Gandhi, and the partition of India. Sadly, We have never heard Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed (@Ishtiaq) Ahmed talking about Allama Mashriqi and the Khaksar Tehrik.
Mr. Yousaf's books are eye openers and areavailable on Amazon. Many of them can be downloaded. Links to Books/articles:
www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
If I keep blaming my grandfathers dad for what is happening now then its my mistake not his or his times. So yes britishers caused issues but for todays situation respective countries are responsible. Also remember Jinha was pakistnai and was supported by people here. So blame doesnt help.
The Origin of Pakistan seems more interesting and mysterious than the origin of universe itself.
😂😂 , oh man I was all serious listening this podcast , you made my day
😂😂
the more mysterious part is it's still functioning. 😂
Nope, it was based on vote of 1946 elections.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 Pakistan map was drawn before 1942 dear. Just check it.
Kudos to the host and Hats off to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed! So clear and crystal his analysis... I am eager to read his book.
I had never seen this gentle man or never heard him on this topic earlier. Being an ordinary Bhartiya one question always used to pop up in my mind that "why my home my motherland was divided, what all could be the possible reasons, who would benefit out of it, is it sustainable and how long sustainable"
I analysed myself...it's not rocket science because in our day to day life we face such issues.
I found some interesting reasons (there was nothing positive but all negatives)
1) fear
2) apprehension
3) hatred
4) prejudice
5) to gain superiority by unfair practice
My question to all audiences: do you think it's at all sustainable?
(My answer would be 'No'
Because it's nature which decides who, why and how to evolve NOT when as it will invariably happen since it's the principle of positivity NOT negativity followed by the nature)
What's yours?
Note: would like to have a sensible and logical discussion🙏
I do agree with what you say. However I cannot see United India for the simple reason that the generations born after 1947 identify as Pakistanis and Indians me and my children inclusive. So firstly we should have good relations open borders and then after a couple of generations may be.
@@hussmahmood thanks 🙏
A remarkable interview. The honesty and insight shown by both interviewer and interviewee are unprecedented for a Pakistani program. I wish your channel all the very best. Hope you grow to have a million subscribers.
Sir Ishtiaq AhmedI have always had a great respect towards your scholarship and my sincere regards to your health and happiness! Your scholarship might reach us both India and Pakistan as two prosperous Nation Sates!
Thank you very much Sat Biswas ji.
Dr Ishtiaq Saheb , lots of respect from New Delhi and big thanx to the brilliant interviewer
8:53 Oooo... Shehzad that is a teacher's pat on your back. He sooo acknowledges your effort here.
I felt second hand validation! Smiled like a goof 😅
Thank you for coming up with such an amazing content 👏
Fresh insight. Thank you.
An excellent contribution by both on the issue, well done Dr Ishtiaq sahib
Namashkar, it really had been insightful by Dr (Prof.) Ishtiyaq Ahmed as usual but equally host had been well prepared to bring inclusive talk to fore. I always love it like all fair n neutral talk. Prof sir, never wish to oppose you but your saying our PM a "Gunda' even if we may oppose him on many fronts is not welcome.
Secondaly, somewhere at the end you said that Indians are well prepared n feel like saying "Aap Ne Bahut Raaj Kar Liya". Here, I wud like to say App ne raaj nahi kiya, hamare saath-saath aap par b raaj hua, aur attrocities Hui, aur aap ke jabran religion Chang ho gae, par wo log koi aur the. Ye yo mindset hai that please need to be understood n the Invaders directly or indirectly not deserve to be glorified. I respect you a lot n never wish to hurt you raising this. Rest, I can understand the changes new Pak generation like our respected host is exhibiting, day will come, we will come to see Lahore n you Delhi, Taj Mahal etc. We wish to see change.
Bhagwan/ Khuda/ God/ Wahe Guru sab khair karen.
But you should also consider the fact that lower casts of that time willing changed to Islam coz they got respect there hum to unhe chuna bhi pasand nahi karte the. Mewat haryana me pura Muslim area hai after independence they all converted to Hinduism by calling a maha panchayat 8 saal me they again called a maha panchayat and converted to Islam again you know why because hindus didn't accepted them and they were treated as second claas citizens I would love to see conversions back to Hinduism but for that we have to remove all fault lines and bad practice from our religion and should give everyone equal respect ,rights and opportunities.
It is heartening to note that Dr Ishtiaq Ahmad tacitly accepts the hindu roots of all Pakistanis.It is true that our caste system has done a lot of damage.
@nwfp nwfp Hinduism is not like Roman or Greek paganism. It is in fact very diverse with some sects opposing idol worship & some avowing agnosticism
@@smithlouisnk9913
A follower of Arabian death cult won't understand the philosophy of Sanatana Dharma.
You stick with fantasies of An illetrate Arabian warlord
Caste is an English word. Please find the Indian word that we used for caste and come and reply here. When you find that word, research what it means, where it comes from, writings about those words.
Very enlightening, I wish many more such shows on Indian history.
Prof.Istiaq Ahmed is a great author and you are a great Anker. Good 👍 interview
The interview was eye-opening for an for me, who has known the way things turned out during the Partition, having been raised on such books as 'Freedom at Midnight'. I can only imagine what this must be like for people who are not eclectically read and have instead only known what has been taught in schools! 'Beyond revelatory' would be putting it mildly.
Thank you very much for this video.
It is amazing to hear Professor Saab speak in English and Hindi/Urdu fluently. he probably knows other European languages as well.
He knows Swedish. He is a citizen of Sweden.
Intellectual & straight forward person. regards from India.
Assalam au alikum
Very interesting story of your early life.
I am from 7th entry JH.
I joined college as an N Cadet in class 11.
Thoroughly enjoyed my two years there.
I behaved, not much different than you. However, I didn't have the luxury of being able to afford much at that time.
Keep it up. Be happy.
Very nice discussion. I like the brave ppl in Pakistan who r struggling for a better pak.
Best podcast on this channel till date my god!!
Great interview. I have never seen such an unbiased interview.
Vow wat a realistic interview...loved it ,,fan of Mr Ishtiaq Ahmad love his honest opinions ...such honesty coming from pakistan hv never seen,,,the interviewer was also amazing
Shahzad has been doing a great job. Such priceless podcasts. 👍👍👍
ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES SO FAAAAAAR!
God bless you Dr. Sahib
It's very Informative interview. .. and very good knowledgeable anchor.....
I think partition deserves a TV series
Dr. Ishtiaq said good things he has lot of knowledge he speaks with logic thank you sir
جو اپنے آباؤ اجداد کی زمین، دریا اور مذہب سے جڑے ہوئے ہیں، وہ پانچ سال میں ایسا کر لیتے ہیں۔
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It was a very thought provoking talk. But audio on Dr. Sahib’s side was impaired.
Fantastic interview and insights...
My family lives near Gujjar Khan. When I was young (maybe 15/16) in late 1990s, I had a conversation with my uncle (aunts husband). He said he was maybe 12 at the time of partition. He said that the villages had Sikh people and when partition happened, they went out in organised groups to chase/kill the Sikhs. I felt sick knowing that we did that.
Sadly, because I was younger, I didn’t ask much more about the time from my elders and now they’ve all passed away.
He said it was in retaliation for the sikh/Hindu killing of Muslims who were travelling from India. But how would they know?? They didn’t have telephones back then. How could they communicate and get news to them.
And why would they take revenge on innocent parties.
Partition was a total human disaster and I don’t think Pakistan has made an honest effort of trying to understand the senseless violence.
They did not try to gather oral histories from people. It’s such a shame.
And I understand if they didn’t want to dig the past and try to apportion blame. But then if that’s the case, you try to heal the past and start fresh. Let bygones be bygones.
You can’t use the past as an excuse for enmity and then not be honest in examining it.
Another interesting anecdote I have is that we have some land near the India border (given to my grandfather by the army). One day some Sikhs were allowed to come onto the land and they dug around a tree and there were some valuables they dug out and took back with them to India. In a way, I’m happy that they had a chance to be reunited with their valuables but I would’ve been much much much more happier if they were allowed to come back and take ownership of their ancestral land.
You wont like this but muslims as a whole are more easy to manipulate into fighting and violence and something tells me most of them even enjoy the bloodshed.
There were no telephones but there were oral narratives and rumors. Rumors are more dangerous when there are less source of communication. And then there were immigrants coming from India. I have heard that when they reached Pakistan with the horrible stories and dedbodies, they challenged the "ghairat" of Pakistani Muslims and some places gifted them bangles. This provoked the violent behaviour. Then there were criminals on both sides who took advantage of the situation. Violence at that times were on both side of border, anytime trying to be victim is dishonest
You are a good person ❤
Uff mazaa aah giya, yaar. An excellent & highly informative podcast. Just one concern: please be careful of the audio quality of future podcasts considering Professor Ahmed's voice kept getting choppy at times (albeit thankfully it was limited). That bit really made it hard to focus on the argument being presented & sorta ruined the whole immersion element at times.
Edit: And that closing by the good professor Dr: "warna you're all worth burning in hell". Pehlay tou I was an avid listener/student. Ab tou I'm a confirmed fan ;)
What a great podcast..... superb.... ...Authentic stream of knowledge flowing through Dr. Ishtiaq...... hats off to you sir...... but with a poor quality sound/recorded system as Dr. Ishtiaq's key words disappear or voice get distorted at some points....
In between the voice gets cracked pl rectify the same the interview is too good no doubt. God bless u for frank and true clear view
Such unopinionated raw facts. Full of intelectual juice. Love from Indian Australian.
Good discussion. Very insightful.
Sir, You are really really great . Big salute to you from Nepal,Kathmandu
Superb convo, exemplary work !