Rising Religious Extremism in Pakistan, TLP and Afghanistan - Tariq Ali - Author - TPE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- Tariq Ali comes back on The Pakistan Experience to discuss the Sialkot incident, rising religious extremism, TLP, The treatment of women, the history of violence, the War in Afghanistan and Julian Assange.
We also discuss Tariq Ali's latest book, "The Forty Year War in Afghanistan: A Chronicle Foretold"
Tariq Ali is a Pakistani-British political activist, writer, journalist, historian, filmmaker, and public intellectual. He is the author of many books, including Pakistan: Military Rule or People's Power (1970), Can Pakistan Survive? The Death of a State (1983), Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity (2002).
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Chapters:
0:00 Religious Extremism: How did we get here
19:00 Economic element in Blasphemy cases
22:30 How to deal with the TLP
28:30 Islamophobia
43:00 Treatment of Women in Pakistan
50:00 History of Extremism
1:02:00 Decolonizing
1:08:30 The Forty Year War in Afghanistan: A Chronicle Foretold
1:34:30 Julian Assange - บันเทิง
Tariq Ali is the guy whom John Lennon consulted before shifting to New York from England. Rolling Stones wrote a song inspired by him called “street fighting man”. He is a gem!
So in a way Tariq Ali killed John Lennon lol
@humanity Insaniyat It seems Tariq Ali Saab is ignorant of the teachings of Islam. Muhammad used to send assassins to kill anyone who would just simply talk against him. Sahi Bukhari and Muslim are filled with Ahadees where Muhammad used to burn people and rape women (Sahih Muslim 3371). Muhammad even allowed children to be killed (Sahih Bukhari, Kitab ul Jihad, Hadees 3012)
@@ghanikhan4080 keep taking your medicine!
@@reeb1 Lennon spoke to Tariq Ali about moving to New York and Tariq advised him not to go... Lennon didn't listen.
Tariq Ali = not needed
I am loving the pile of books and that wooden chair behind him. Goes so well with his personality 🥰
I was Tariq Ali 's classmate at Govt.college Lahore l would like his opinion about lsraels' diplomatic successes in the Middle East.
Prof.Dr Nasir Fazal Cambridge USA 🇺🇸
Excellent as always to listen to Tariq Ali! Well done Shahzad on navigating the conversation to bring out such important anecdotes and lessons. Cant wait to read his new book.
Religious radicalism has deep roots in the Pakistan Movement - Quiad capitalized on Islam to define a community, overlooking its unpalatable consequences. This exploitation had made it clear to the Islamists that the newborn nation was for Muslims. At the inception of Pakistan, two variants of Islam were there: the Muslim League who devoted towards a political order based on Islamic Social System drew on democratic principles, the fundamentalists were committed to a theocratic state. These two variegated elements found themselves in a conflict that in turn discouraged consensus building and prompted a culture of 'compromise' and 'concessions.' This obstructed constitutionalisation. Iranian Revolution mingled with the Zia's Islamisation. Pakistan served as a crucible for containing soviet expansionism. Pakistan became a battleground for the sectarian proxy war. Non-state actors were fostered to settle non-state's interests. Political parties, the PMLn, joined hands with the islamists to capitalize on their vote bank. This again fostered a clientelistic relationship where ruling party gave concession to these radical parties.
Concisely, Pakistan internal power structure is a kaleidoscope hijacked by the military, elites, feudal, industrialist and officialdom. They have misgivings towards democratisation because it will engender their vested interests. This illegitimate power equation have instrumentalized fundamentalist and radicals. The state is effete. Change will come from the civil society. It is a problem that haunts common people. So, the people have to come to the frontline.
@@flying_hippopotamus This is my comprehension over the convoluted but axial tension pestering Pakistan. I wrote it to get other opinions to broaden the comprehension through eclectic feedback.
Civil War!
All true, including the Kaleidoscope, but our civil society, no matter how much strength it gains will never be powerful enough to transform a radicalized society on its own. It needs to be a whole of government effort, and sad as it is, the only institution with the wherewithal and clout to do this is the miltestab. They broke it, theyre going to have to spearhead fixing this. And if all else fails, bring in a musharraf type to ataturk the hell out of Pakistan. Maybe like Turkey we'll get a few decades of peace out of it
Much awaited 👏
Want to hear again & again to such authoritative word,s over pathology of this country...
A true pathologiest of pak & gem..
Only two are three broadcast,s of sir tariq over this platform.has opened up all the window,s of factuality related to all aspects while peeping into past & present or viewing to future....❤
طارق صاحب بائیں بازو کے نظریات کے بڑے عالم ہے
Most awaited, Tariq Sir you're a Legend
Bhai hearing Tariq Ali shb is like eid for me.
Pakistani American comrade from the US, sending love. This is an amazing podcast. Love hearing about the history of the Left in Pk.
@@averagebodybuilder shut up nazi loser.
@@315pasha Pakistan does not have a history of Nazism. America and Europe does you confused idiot dog
@@averagebodybuilder weak ass body builder.
The left in Pakistan is dog whistle for kuffar / murtad
@@averagebodybuilder great argument…weak ass.
Brilliant! Carefully crafted episode 👌
Always a pleasure to listen Tariq sir.
Why don't you realise that the same kind of fundamentalists like Aashiq-e-Rasool live in India also who are ready to do anything for the Prophet and their Mazhab. Pakistani and Indian Muslms inherently share a lot in common, so the rise of RSS and other Hindutva groups tend to counter these fundamentalists. But speaking against them amounts to "war on Islm" as per intellectuals like you. What an analysis 👏
stop oppressing muslims and you wont see hostilities.
@@azmolhossain9244 Really? Hostilities has been always, there since time immemorial! Why don't you, tell Muslims in Bangladesh Pakistan to stop oppressing Hindus?
@@profitmuhammad3290 Hindus in bangladesh live better than muslims in india. You barking at the wrong tree. guy.
@@azmolhossain9244 That's why, Hindu population in Bangladesh has been declining since 1971? And that most, of the Hindus were forced to leave their own country? Nobody is barking, obviously saying something which is true hurts! That's why, in India there are Muslims in every fields? How many successful Hindus, occupy top positions in Bangladesh and Pakistan?
@@azmolhossain9244 Next time, try to be factual in your argument, instead of blabbering.. It looks like, you are the one who is barking!
You want hostilities, to go? So stop calling, Hindus as kafirs, stop glorifying invaders, stop doing anti national things, stop shouting anti national slogans!
My suggestion is; stop seeing everything from Islamic perspective..
Sorry Shehzad bhaw i'm late but i'm thrilled to listen to this podcast nonetheless Sir Tariq always brings a breath of fresh air.❤ What a dreadful yet important discussion to have. These topics need to be talked about but we need crazy people like you who wants a ride in black vigo and isn't afraid of it.🙄 You guide the conversation in the right direction and i Love you for that
Tariq Ali is one of most sane voices left in Pakistan.
Always a pleasure to listen him.
@@ThePakistanExperience No doubt, they just want crap because crap gives them ratings and this is the only thing they care about.
Thanks man. Very precious voice
Great video Shezad. Intro was different this time ( liked it a lot)
Disagreed with Tariq sab on a couple of things but looking at the amount of wisdom he has I fear that maybe I'm in the wrong boat.
really enjoyed it Shehzad. thanks. make Tariq sab a frequent contributor plz
Shehzad, keep up the good work. You'll always be accused of "appeasing" by some and going "too far" by the others. Never mind them, and know in your heart that your work is a necessary contribution.
And yes, apna sense of humor marne na dena ! Especially the occasional mimicry 😂
Bro love your podcast!… excellent stuff!
Kudos to Tariq sir
But special thanks to you that you r making sure to TALK about things no-one is willing to.🙏🙏
Tariq Ali is a fantastic intellectual.
Love to read his latest book
Caste might not be an Islamic principle but caste exists amongst Muslims.
Great episode.. Tariq ji is one of my favorite intellectual from Pakistan
Invite syed muzammil Shah ji again he presents his view point with philosophical background..
@Feudal Revisionist Not only European philosophy about everything, not well read or particularly bright.
@Feudal Revisionist I tend to disagree with this notion.
Need no introductions. He is the true BABA Gee of our time
sir i love watching your videos thanks for doing this keep going..
Many Indians commenting here, waiting to hear bad (but real) stuff about Pakistan, flip out the moment mirror is shown to them. You'll see the same behaviour on liberal Indian channels, where many Pakistanis will laugh at genuine self-reflection by the participants while angrily reacting if Pakistan is mentioned even once. Sabh apne ghirebaanoun mein deekhte tou behter rehta.
A fine example is the quint.
Quint is decent in terms of journalism ( ignoring the obvious alignment) but whenever they report about bad about Pakistan similar comments come from Pakistanis following quint..
I think Islam have problems
I agree with u Islamophobia is big problem but
Muslim must introspect
The civil world still looking for the "p" that stands for peace in Islam
This P is actually responsible for your survival despite the fact that you have been ruled by Muslims for 750 years
@@javedbutt6222 With a title "Butt" (originating from the Pandit surname "Bhat"), you claim to have ruled H!ndus for 750 years 🤦
No surprises that you pretend to be Arabs on odd day, and Turks on even day
@@javedbutt6222 With the surname "Butt" ( derived from the Hindu surname "Bhat"), you claimed to have ruled for 750 years 🤦
No wonder why the Bajwas, Cheemas, Sethis, Butts, etc. deny their roots and claim to have their history from 712 AD
@@javedbutt6222 With surnames like "Btt" (derived from the Hindu title Bhatt), you claim to have ruled for 750 years 🤦
No wonder why all the Bajwas, Cheemas, Sethis, Btts etc. claim their history to have commenced on 712 AD. Denial of their roots is another thing unique about Pak who claim to be Arabs, Turks, Uzbeks, etc. every alternate day
@@shreyassarkar9648 I am not claiming that I have ruled over India for 750 years.But the people or dynasties who ruled over India for 750 years were also Muslims and you have survived despite 750 years of Muslum rule over India.
Who is denying the bullshit you have mentioned about our Hindu ancestors.
The Bajwas ,Cheema,Sethis or Bhatts are casts and have nothing to do with Hinduism or with any other religion .
37:38 "Musalmaano pe jang kar rahe hai, its open war". Preaching peace & tolerance in your own nation (Pakistan) & spreading unsubstantiated rumors about the plight of Muslims in India. While I agree, the govt is clearly pro-hindu & should do more to reach out to Muslims, throwing such baseless claims only widens the rift in a multicultural society that is India (which Pakistan has never been able to provide in 75 years).
Also, may I remind your honorable guest that India is the only country in the world with a sizeable Muslim population that has seen uninterrupted democracy for 75 years.
You fail to understand his point. Remember Tariq is a socialist atheist with an amazing history in civil rights movements! India is undoubtedly going through a major shift towards intolerance and especially towards Muslims. The creation of Pakistan was designed to deter that intolerance. Hindu unlike Europeans adhere to religious practices and eventually would conflict with other religious minorities. You can see signs of strong anti-secularism and tbh everything outside is regarded an anti! Here is the hypocrisy, everything outside is now making India! Wealth!
Great initiative Shehzad
Please discuss a video on forced conversions of minorities in Pakistan. 🙏
Tariq sir ki jay hon,
Tariq Ali is an atheist and grandson of great Sikandar. If Sikandar had been Pak's founder, Pakistan would have been different. Very close to India and powerful/rich nation.
👍❤
Hello shehzad..waiting for new episode of tarriq ali
Fan from India.
I feel bad for people like Tariq Ali, Parvez Hoodbuoy, Javed Ghamidi. They’re running out of time and I hope they can see some silver lining in their final years.
I really wish they'd include English subtitles on this--love hearing Tariq's analysis on issues in Pakistan.
@@ThePakistanExperience Alternatively, given that both you and Tariq are fluent in English, you could conduct future interviews with him entirely in English so that your interviews can gain a broader international appeal.
convert karne se jannat pakki hoti hai to humhe nahi jana tumhari janat mein. it was not bengali genocide 1971, it was bengali hindu genocide, a jihad
1:06:00 that area was ballimaran
37:38 Can you explain when and what kind of such war is going on India? I am from India and literally I have no idea of what you are talking about
Everyone knows except Hindu's.There is no difference between ttp and RSS.
@@atta962 I hope your brain develops as you grow older
@@atta962 how many terrorist attack RSS did on Indian population?
Tarique Ali Saheb, zindabad,,a great rationalist and intellectual of the world ,i am blessed to hear him ,,he is Noam Chomsky of Indian continent,,fully aware about the social political political pulses of the world,my salute to him, wish him a very healthy life so that even we in India could be blessed by his analysis on humanity related issues 🙏
37:39 how wrong can you be?
Tariq sahab- yes
When i studied history of Islamic conquest of india and partition and doctrines of islam, i became islamophobic and this was before 9.11
This was the topic i was waiting for..thnku shehzad
@@ThePakistanExperience
Posters pr kuch b aisa likhny se government ko action lena chaeyay... jis se baad main masla ho..
And honestly after this incident I am seriously thinking for the very first time to leave this country... is khauf main kesay zindgi guzary bnda.its not going to get better..
Very much waiting for this man. I'd like to superchat for this
خدا ناراض ہے اس ملک پر
یہاں مذہب کو ذاتی مفادات کے لئے استعمال کیا جا رہا ہے
🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Love from 🇮🇳.. Keep delivering great content... Especially I become a fan of uzair younis and you
@@ThePakistanExperience As a indian I watch your shows to know what really Islam is.. My belief is that every religion says good things.. But radical leaders interpret those wrongly to brainwash people..
When in minority they will play victim card, when in majority they will cut ur head! BJP is controlling gundagardi. Look what happened to Kashmiri pundits & hindu Bengalis
@@kaise989bjp should focus more on educating than building statues and mandirs.. If we want be become superpower... Otherwise radicalization in the name of ' hindu is in danger' will make us poorer country..
@@subhadip2440 they will, besides controlling muslims, else when they will get in majority then we will all run for our lives. It’s their mentality. Look at Kashmir, Bengal, now Kerela. I hv lived in their neighbourhood, what I have gone through is a torture. Population control bill is must!
@@kaise989 but there are propaganda as well. I live in bengal in Muslim majority area.. Nothing happened in last 26 years
Bhai invite Dr. Wahab Suri | Professor of Philosophy at University of Karachi.
labbaiki just wanna parteeeeeey
Only when you think and realize that the problem is religion
OMG! This guy is like an older, wiser version of myself 😲 love the way he sidesteps your flimsy swipes at Imran Khan, PTI 🤭
Is bloodshed inevitable in any religion?
3:00 "Kaha likha hua hai?" Seriously? Quote karna hai kya holy book?
Hmm.. this comment survived? Full marks for freedom of expression at least.👍
Manusmriti quote karu?
@@juhebhassan2617 bhai hamara to fake religion hai. But holy book to the most incorruptible, the most true, the most non violent, and the most woman friendly. So why not stick to that?
@@juhebhassan2617 Karle, parr India may kisi ko samajh nahi aayega.....kyonki gali gali may madarse bana kar manusmriti nahi ratayi jaati.
@@prashantp2029 Shukrallhamdulillah!
Tariq ali & Shehzad podcast is like Dada Pota Podcast.😁😁. Just make a playlist of Tariq Ali and name it as dada pota series. Please invite Sadanand Dhume(journalist), Rana Ayyub(journalist), Shekhar Gupta (political Journalist), Vir Sanghvi(Journalist), Kaushik Basu (Economist), S irfan Habib (Historian @ AMU), Rana Safvi(Historian), Hilal Ahmed (Political analyst). But I would be eager to watch when you do a interview with NEWSLAUNDRY TRIO:- ABHINANDAN SEKHRI, MEGHNAD SAHA, MANISHA PANDE. WOULD LOVE TO WATCH YOUR GUPSHUP WITH FELLOW COMEDIAN ACROSS BORDER :- KUNAL KAMRA AND VARUN GROVER.
I have requested him many times to invite Manisha and eventhough Shehzad has been on newslaundry before, I think he has had some kind of trouble in extending them an invitation or maybe they have refused or maybe he already has a plethora guests and doesn't know much about manisha's work. Or maybe he hasn't seen my comment amongst the plethora of comments that he has to see.
@@71espn I've tried. I got in touch with NL. I emailed. Ghost hogaya. Infact I've invited half the suggested guests in this comment.
The only reason this got any outrage was because the victim was a foreigner. The only thing most people are concerned about is the image of Pakistan
@Feudal Revisionist From those in power.
Jis mulk ka neev lakho begunaho ki lasho par rakhi gayi ho wo mulk nai buchadkhana hai
"Left has no answer and left itself is weak" 💔
59:39
Hello shehzad, I was trying to watch the video in 480p but quality seems unavailable.... What is wrong bro?
Problem is lack of basic broad based education. Some of these ill educated became so called Islamic scholars. Now how to make a living? We all know how that has worked so far. Add to that the thought process of some of our brethren returning from Middle East. God help us.
@Shehzad.... can you invite Ashir Azeem. He is sharing some deep insight about our system on TH-cam
I have emailed him
@@ShehzadGhias great. Thanks!
Guy who looks at state of France and concludes that problem is Islamophobia has lost the plot.
Oh the namaz breaks. People abuse them so often and you can't say anything. Phir i think Allah double gunah daiga unhain. Rozi bhi haram hui , raya kari bhi , jhut bhi, dhoka bhi.
34:05 RIP headphone users XD
Uighur Muslims de naa te awaaz kyu nahi nikaldi tariq ji di.bas Haan hun kar ke chad ditta.dhilla jeha jwab hi de Dao.
Iqbal was the 1st jehadi of pakistan.
Point raised by Shehzad regarding official advertisement for sweeper must be a Christian! Wow! It was an un said understanding but now officially. Mind boggling and reprehensible both times! Pakistanis forget that some of these ashiq e rasool clean toilets in the west and way more in Middle East. Next time pay attention at. Dubai and Doha airports.
Brother tariq cut down drink pls
I want u live long life
The day Pakistani intellectuals stop saying "This has nothing to do with religion" and recognize the problem in the book which is an inspiration to so many terrorist groups, things will start getting better.
@@ThePakistanExperience I can quote the verses, it's very simple and real, I don't understand why people want to look progressive at the same time want to avoid discussing the real core problem.
@Feudal Revisionist I understand, but Shehzad isn't a maulvi...then why he didn't attack?
@@prashantp2029 we should focus on India's problems. India is on Pakistan's path . Current India is looking like 80's Pakistan..
@@user-jc1yz4qn2z It's okay if you don't like Indic people leading Indic land, it's normal for people following foreign ideologies to feel insecure but that doesn't mean you should get so much affected that you start seeing things not happening.
@@prashantp2029 word indic is Greek word not sanskrit or indic itself. . I am hindu following Indian ideology of assimilation .. not foreign ideology of fascism .. India is going downhill and any sane person can see it..
He doesnt know a fig about India. It would be better if he sticks to the country of his origin
TLP is establishment baby developed as a domestic politics bottle neck.
اللہ ملک و قوم پر رحم کرے
Musalman sach soch sakhta hai magar bol nahi sakhta.
Don't understand why uncouth apologists of the Indian State flock to this comments section 🤦🏽♂️.
Because we are grateful to Jinnah that he carved out a separate country for you to spread of your wild beliefs.
We had to bear the pain of Partition, our lands being grabbed, our civizilational heritages of the Indus being snatched from us was a distraught, but at hindsight partition has proven to be more beneficial for us in the long run
Because we are grateful to Jinnah that he carved out a separate country and took away much of the chaotic ones.
We had to bear the pain of Partition, our lands and civizilational heritages of the Indus being snatched overnight from us was a distraught, but at hindsight partition has proven to be more beneficial for us in the long run
Tariq is a slow motion historian 😂
Pakistan me scientific thinking ki koy jagha nhi hai
I find shahaizd. More realistic than Tariq Ali .
Pakistan jhola chap logo ka pakistan ke pade like log bhi Islamic extremism ko hi parmot karte hai
Kya horaha India may 😭 tabahi tabahi horahi hai 😂 baal dhup may safed hue hain shayad.
Bro thoda entertainment podcast chahiye. Politics n religious channel banta jaa raha h aapka.
En halaat mein comedy par nhi economics religious extremism and politics par attention huni chaye
Bossman its is a pleasure to listen to Tariq Ali.
Entertainment chahiye to Netflix py jao bhai. Aur kitni entertainment chahiye. Fakng Brats!
@@samiullahkhan2391 absolutely right. We need this kind of podcasts.. To see various kinds of point of views... Whts really is true Islam... In India actually we just see the radical side of Islam and think that this is Islam..
@@samiullahkhan2391 abe gadhe. Podcast ki baat krra hu. Netflix kha se aa gya
Tariq Ali a great respect for you but you seem to be way off the mark in defining and painting india with the same brush like Pakistan.. with due respect India may have thousand defects and you may get to hear stray incidences of lynching of Muslims or Lower castes but these are far n a few though condemnable by all means n politically motivated to put down one party still India has a constitution which gives an equal rights to all people. You have urreny Indian president who is from lower caste, you had Muslim presidents in india n Modi is also from a backward caste and economically too. Stark difference between India n Pakistan is that there are no armed militia in india, Muslims growing in Population despite what's being claimed as narrative by Pakistanis n others as oppressed and reservations given to backward caste through constitutional means to bring them up... So it would be a request to correct your views n dont just allude to stray incidences in india as a rule to oppress people other than hindu which in all such cases are blown out of proportion by political parties for electoral gains. India is progressive n it is the resilience of Indians which driving india forward. That's the difference between india n Pakistan my friend. I believe I am clear in explaining the same. Would look forward to hear your views on my Comment...
What both our countries need to do is decouple our internal issues from our bilateral issues. Pakistanis need to care more about the fate of their fellow hindu Pakistanis than what Indians are doing to Indian muslims (excluding Kashmiris), and vice versa. This actually was exactly what Jinnah said he wanted to see happen over time, when he spoke of angularities, identity etc etc.
You guys don't represent Pakistan.
you cannot compare the criticism against jews with ones against muslims........how many people did the jewish organisations behead ?
Some commentators, living within Pakistan, have been more honest about the Islamic lunacy within their country..
Seems Mr Ali uses his 'intelligence 'only when he has to criticize the west or india.....
Finally kisi n bola ki ye convert ni krte mainly inka emphasis hota h nasal badne m and then demography kyunki yhi Quran sikhata h
Sir Kashmir m koi voluntary conversion ni ap kya baat kr rhe ho,wha p kashmiri pandits k sath kya hua apko ni pta to thoda bitter history bhi padh lo apko pta lega ki root cause of these problems is Islam means rasool means Allah.
Sir Irfan Habib ,romila thapar ye agenda run krne wale log h apko to PTA hoga read rc mazoomdar may be you know real history with fact.isilye apka perspective India ko leker thoda incorrect h