I mean somewhat? I think Yubel will be better (since it went basically untouched, since it doesn't need Lacrima and Spirit Gates to 1 doesn't stop the deck) until we get Azamina cards in a month and a half. Mainly because Yubel is one of the decks that actually has negate access (Phantom and Varudras) with all the generic ED ones banned.
@@easyygo3008 Yubel was literally topping in OCG before ROTA wtf are you talking about, it had more top cut representation than Tenpai or Snake-Eye. OCG doesn't have Necroquip or Aerial Eater, and OCG still has Lacrima and Beatrice legal for Snake-Eye to use? Idk what your point is.
They don't even necessarily need to drop the power level of the game, they need to make sure the power level is consistent among all the new major archetypes they release and provide boosts to older archetypes with cards that allow them to compete with the new stuff. They could 100% implement a new Master Rule to address some issues with the game though. I also think there are way too many hand traps and board breakers running around too and there's not enough answers to them.
Why the heck wouldn't they just hit the thing we've had for longer? We might as well go to Tier 0 Fiendsmith rather than more freaking Tier 0 Snake-Eyes
The Beatrice hit is a lot more impactful to SE considering Yubel can still run Fiendsmith to fuel their engine no problem. Fiendsmith is strictly just an extender in SE now, Engraver isnt a starter. I'm more so disappointed that all the top decks in the format are the exact same archetypes after this list, even if SE isnt tier 0 now for the time being. As for the Azamina cards: i'll need to see how the loss of Beatrice keeps it from being tier 0. I'm sure it'll still be a contendor for best deck though.
Gimmick Puppet should never have been hit. I'm sick and tired of Konami giving legacy support to dext. And then banning cards in that archetype. But yet when it's going to come to blue eyes and dark magician they are not going to ban anything. I'm sick and tired of blue eyes and dark magician support. Give support to other archetypes that need it.
I totally disagree that snake eye is stronger in the tcg than ocg because in ocg they still have Apo, Lacrima and Beatrice Now in the tcg they are more weak to stuff like nibiru because before the ban of Apo if they lead with the fiendsmith engine you have to use nibiru before the apo comes out hoping that they have not a singular snake eye card in the hand, now you can wait until they commit to the snake-eye part of the deck to punish them Also now you can use more targeted handtraps like D.D. Crow on the flamberge float activation without worrying about Apo. Flamberge special summon only from the gy and they usually use it after they have used Oak, so if you banish either Ash or Poplar with the D.D. Crow on the Flamberge activation you can stop its effect entirely since it has to revive 2 and not up to 2 and if you banish one of the 2 targets in the gy it resolves without an effect
My guess is that there isn't insider information, but vendors might have opened unreleased product and saw grass in the tins. If it's not in the tins that's our answer. But I can only imagine Konami would take Banlists super seriously.
I buy into the idea that there's pushback from the OCG/Japan team on the creation of this list because it smells like it's full of OCG-esque compromises and consistency hits for every good hit it makes. "No you can't hit Sanctifire, GP Nightmare or Ido, limit Branded Fusion or something" "No you can't ban Moon to make Fiendsmith less generic, hit Lacrima or something" "No you can't ban Flamberge or SnOak, make Poplar a giga garnet or something" If this is true and the OCG/Japan team is starting to micromanage TCG more, that's grim given we're getting another Charmy next set and the implications thereof with how they'll shape the december(?) list around it.
Lmao, Lacrima was/is a $2 card. Why would they have internal board meeting struggles over it. For once, Komoney actually saw how toxic something is and decided to deal with it straight away.
This two dollar card makes brand new hundred dollar engraver much stronger, so yeah it's a big decision to do that so early. Konami is stupid for printing a burn effect on a combo piece. Immediately banning cards that just came out feels like they objectively made a mistake with their card design and to me it's a black mark on their record.
There will be replacement later, just not sure when TCG gonna get it. Aerial will do the job for now. Burn in time is honestly the only reason they hit it.
@@looneyloonaticTo be fair, arise-heart also being there made it so you had to basically deal with two forms of "denied GY interactions"and Konami probably thought the newer was the one that pushed the breakpoint. But then again shit like floo and soon to be maliss still gives that thought a lot of credence.....
Without ban and Flamberge hit snake eyes is still too good as the OCG variant, Branded wan't that problematic so they hit ... the fusion spell and not the stupid fusion that cause locks... Konami seems to not give a s€/t about us having nice games Purrely : hopefully not hit Yubel ... Hits more sacred beast, Yubel still have way enough to make board after 3 interruptions At least Beatrice, Apollousa and this annoying floodgate are hits, even if I could wish Runick hits, too generic interruptions + free mill or a summon should be harder, especialy hit the field : recovery + draw each turn + impossible to destroy those spell keeping those in hand is OP Gimmick puppet : as I love the deck, as I understand the choise, the combos are a bit harder to pull of but it's ok.
I really hate D Shifter and think its incredibly unhealthy for the game, any card whose text basically reads "I just win the duel if this resolves" isnt very healthy (obviously something like exodia doesnt apply here). This idea that it helps noobs to pick up wins is a bad argument, those people need to actually play the game and learn, rather than relying on some super unfair crutch like Shifter. You shouldnt expect to be able to beat a highly experienced player as a new player in a match of skill, instead you should use your losses against these players to learn and develop your skills as a duellist
Nah, SE isn't as much of a threat. Certainly not the Fiendsmith build since those cards no longer get you to Snake combo. Even the pure build doesn't seem nearly as good without Apo, and Poplar is just bad to draw now (especially in combination with Bonfire). The endboards are decent but not as overwhelming, the grind game that the deck is infamous for is now almost nonexistent, and the lines are more susceptible to hand traps Im expecting Fire King or even Infernoid to maybe take it's place but the builds that have been extremely dominant until now have been knocked down a peg
@@Squiddysyeah but that's 1 omni vs 3-4 monster negates personally I'd much rather deal with the 1 omni than the 3+ monster negates also the omni is a borreload Savage style omni. so unlike barrone, it doesnt destroy the card. that does matter sometimes
They're less resilient now but still can make a powerful board, still get big support in the next set, still have a few things they can mix with like fire king and rescue ace which will probably become more relevant after this list.
I think the Snake Eye hits might be enough? OCG has Lacrima, Beatrice and Apollousa and without generic boss monsters idk what snake eye will end on. Just I:P?
This banlist did nothing and its sad having to once again suffer through the same format for almost an entire year now is just annoying im personally done for the year ill be staying away from the game till atleast 2025 looks like
@Squiddys its like halfway there and they still left clear best decks we wanted diverse format and its just more of the same if this list was good i was gonna buy tins and get back in but im legit done
@@kaijutraps snake eyes lost a total of 3 cards in their deck. Plus they’re getting support next set. The format didn’t change. Maybe ritual beast will become better but is that what people want? To have 2 floodgates setup on them?
@AngryAyrab yea thats what I'm saying it's honestly not enough to make me want to come back I wanted like a full reset almost and the killing of tier 1 decks or atleast and attempt to bring them on equal footings we should banned Albion or puppet, hit the wanted card/witch, more hit to yubel and probably the goddess, as well as some hits for decks that would fill the new gap like runick
@@yungcobalt I wasn't sure which one got banned the quickest tho, but I do remember Sixth Sense being banned pretty much immediately after Joey's World came out, similar to Lacrima being banned pretty much after INFO. I'm sure I'm missing one or two more cards.
ill be working on some azamina stuff for snakeeyes! will be available on the patreon in the next few weeks. but if you bought the snake eyes feel free to email me and i'll send you a copy 😃
@@Fresh_34 its not ready yet but will email you it when it is 😺 shoot me anothar dm with ur email on twitter or on contact form on my site so i have u!
@@Squiddys Without lacrima, one engraver is not able to bridge to your memento engine anymore. I play that deck and that's the first thing I checked when I saw the list.
While this list was absolutely garbage and snake eyes more or less wasnt touched the deck is far more susceptible to handtraps now. Not tier format until mid October
Can you update your Tenpai powerpoint with combo lines and how to play against certain decks like Yubel, Memento, Whitewoods etc.? I bought it and it seems very overhyped compared to how you advertised it and its not to update with board breaking builds, Thanks.
@@Squiddys thank you for the quick response. There isn’t a lot of information online about situational combos other than 2 dragons -> bident -> transcendent. There is feature match footage now though.
Awesome we went from snake eyes being the best deck for 5 month's to snake eyes being the best deck for 5 more
Bro when I saw snake eyes hits I laughed does nothin. only consistency haha
I mean somewhat? I think Yubel will be better (since it went basically untouched, since it doesn't need Lacrima and Spirit Gates to 1 doesn't stop the deck) until we get Azamina cards in a month and a half. Mainly because Yubel is one of the decks that actually has negate access (Phantom and Varudras) with all the generic ED ones banned.
@@NewfoundRespectit’s just a consistency hit as you say; also hurts the follow-up
Lmao Yubel is doing nothing in OCG and is still on par at best with fiendsmith/snake eyes before rota
@@easyygo3008 Yubel was literally topping in OCG before ROTA wtf are you talking about, it had more top cut representation than Tenpai or Snake-Eye. OCG doesn't have Necroquip or Aerial Eater, and OCG still has Lacrima and Beatrice legal for Snake-Eye to use? Idk what your point is.
Definitely think Konami needs to step back and figure out how drop the power level of the game via game design rather that just using the ban list.
They don't even necessarily need to drop the power level of the game, they need to make sure the power level is consistent among all the new major archetypes they release and provide boosts to older archetypes with cards that allow them to compete with the new stuff. They could 100% implement a new Master Rule to address some issues with the game though. I also think there are way too many hand traps and board breakers running around too and there's not enough answers to them.
Why the heck wouldn't they just hit the thing we've had for longer? We might as well go to Tier 0 Fiendsmith rather than more freaking Tier 0 Snake-Eyes
they wanna sell 😅. Its Moneyami
i am a glue eater...thats my play style
Stun chads assemble. Just replace skill drain with powersink.
@invertbrid i thought about it but i am trying out tyrant's tirade
The Beatrice hit is a lot more impactful to SE considering Yubel can still run Fiendsmith to fuel their engine no problem. Fiendsmith is strictly just an extender in SE now, Engraver isnt a starter.
I'm more so disappointed that all the top decks in the format are the exact same archetypes after this list, even if SE isnt tier 0 now for the time being. As for the Azamina cards: i'll need to see how the loss of Beatrice keeps it from being tier 0. I'm sure it'll still be a contendor for best deck though.
Everyone crying insider knowledge forgets that cards on the banlist always get bought up before a new banlist reveal
Gimmick Puppet should never have been hit. I'm sick and tired of Konami giving legacy support to dext. And then banning cards in that archetype. But yet when it's going to come to blue eyes and dark magician they are not going to ban anything. I'm sick and tired of blue eyes and dark magician support. Give support to other archetypes that need it.
I totally disagree that snake eye is stronger in the tcg than ocg because in ocg they still have Apo, Lacrima and Beatrice
Now in the tcg they are more weak to stuff like nibiru because before the ban of Apo if they lead with the fiendsmith engine you have to use nibiru before the apo comes out hoping that they have not a singular snake eye card in the hand, now you can wait until they commit to the snake-eye part of the deck to punish them
Also now you can use more targeted handtraps like D.D. Crow on the flamberge float activation without worrying about Apo. Flamberge special summon only from the gy and they usually use it after they have used Oak, so if you banish either Ash or Poplar with the D.D. Crow on the Flamberge activation you can stop its effect entirely since it has to revive 2 and not up to 2 and if you banish one of the 2 targets in the gy it resolves without an effect
My guess is that there isn't insider information, but vendors might have opened unreleased product and saw grass in the tins.
If it's not in the tins that's our answer. But I can only imagine Konami would take Banlists super seriously.
I buy into the idea that there's pushback from the OCG/Japan team on the creation of this list because it smells like it's full of OCG-esque compromises and consistency hits for every good hit it makes.
"No you can't hit Sanctifire, GP Nightmare or Ido, limit Branded Fusion or something"
"No you can't ban Moon to make Fiendsmith less generic, hit Lacrima or something"
"No you can't ban Flamberge or SnOak, make Poplar a giga garnet or something"
If this is true and the OCG/Japan team is starting to micromanage TCG more, that's grim given we're getting another Charmy next set and the implications thereof with how they'll shape the december(?) list around it.
They shouldn’t manage them. Their format has max c at 3. I don’t trust thay
Lmao, Lacrima was/is a $2 card. Why would they have internal board meeting struggles over it.
For once, Komoney actually saw how toxic something is and decided to deal with it straight away.
This two dollar card makes brand new hundred dollar engraver much stronger, so yeah it's a big decision to do that so early. Konami is stupid for printing a burn effect on a combo piece. Immediately banning cards that just came out feels like they objectively made a mistake with their card design and to me it's a black mark on their record.
There will be replacement later, just not sure when TCG gonna get it. Aerial will do the job for now.
Burn in time is honestly the only reason they hit it.
They should have banned engraver.
@@ShinimagisFTWwhy would they do this when it’s the selling piece for infinite forbidden
@@ShinimagisFTW why they would banned THE card that sells Infinite Forbidden? What a clown comment.
As someone who loves Fiendsmith's aesthetic, I'm pissed that they added the burn, meaning it will probably stay banned forever.
Insider trading in Yu-Gi-Oh been around for a while. 😤
Shifter will probably remain in the game until there is a tier 0 deck that uses it. That seems to be their plan to deal with problem cards nowadays.
thats soon malice
I don’t know, Kashtira full power was not enough to hit shifter so
@@looneyloonaticTo be fair, arise-heart also being there made it so you had to basically deal with two forms of "denied GY interactions"and Konami probably thought the newer was the one that pushed the breakpoint.
But then again shit like floo and soon to be maliss still gives that thought a lot of credence.....
tier 0? bro, wake up what are you talking about?
@@SeekerCSGO i guess we wait and see lol
Lacrima wasn't banned for power level reasons. It was banned because it rewards cheaters.
I love how the community is so done with unsportsmanlike behaviour that we now just call them cheaters.
And I'm all here for it😂
5:45 the music is giving me instantly egpyt vibes
Konami in the TCG doesn't work with the OCG on bal lists anymore.
Wait, didn't Konami said: Say goodbye to Snake-Eyes and Yubel?
whoever expected flamberge to go is delulu
I agree shifter should be hit but saying it helps bad players win more 😂 sounds like a skill issue
Bruh don't click bait and lie. We still haven't had a tier 0 format in years
This IS sarcasm, right?
Without ban and Flamberge hit snake eyes is still too good as the OCG variant,
Branded wan't that problematic so they hit ... the fusion spell and not the stupid fusion that cause locks... Konami seems to not give a s€/t about us having nice games
Purrely : hopefully not hit
Yubel ... Hits more sacred beast, Yubel still have way enough to make board after 3 interruptions
At least Beatrice, Apollousa and this annoying floodgate are hits, even if I could wish Runick hits, too generic interruptions + free mill or a summon should be harder, especialy hit the field : recovery + draw each turn + impossible to destroy those spell keeping those in hand is OP
Gimmick puppet : as I love the deck, as I understand the choise, the combos are a bit harder to pull of but it's ok.
I really hate D Shifter and think its incredibly unhealthy for the game, any card whose text basically reads "I just win the duel if this resolves" isnt very healthy (obviously something like exodia doesnt apply here). This idea that it helps noobs to pick up wins is a bad argument, those people need to actually play the game and learn, rather than relying on some super unfair crutch like Shifter. You shouldnt expect to be able to beat a highly experienced player as a new player in a match of skill, instead you should use your losses against these players to learn and develop your skills as a duellist
....The banlist truely balanced komoney's bank account.
Nah, SE isn't as much of a threat. Certainly not the Fiendsmith build since those cards no longer get you to Snake combo. Even the pure build doesn't seem nearly as good without Apo, and Poplar is just bad to draw now (especially in combination with Bonfire). The endboards are decent but not as overwhelming, the grind game that the deck is infamous for is now almost nonexistent, and the lines are more susceptible to hand traps
Im expecting Fire King or even Infernoid to maybe take it's place but the builds that have been extremely dominant until now have been knocked down a peg
unforchanatly they get an omni nagate that replaces appo after rage of abyss
@@Squiddysyeah but that's 1 omni vs 3-4 monster negates
personally I'd much rather deal with the 1 omni than the 3+ monster negates
also the omni is a borreload Savage style omni. so unlike barrone, it doesnt destroy the card. that does matter sometimes
They're less resilient now but still can make a powerful board, still get big support in the next set, still have a few things they can mix with like fire king and rescue ace which will probably become more relevant after this list.
They'll still be the top deck for the next year with Azamina.
Ceasar or desarae plus azamina omni plus flamberge/IP into SP . End board is just as toxic
I think the Snake Eye hits might be enough?
OCG has Lacrima, Beatrice and Apollousa and without generic boss monsters idk what snake eye will end on. Just I:P?
They still have 90% of their ED was untouched.
Someone definitely knew about grass my copy sat there for so long and they all got bought like 2 weeks ago
I knew the deck was still gonna be playable that’s why I picked it up 😂😂
This banlist did nothing and its sad having to once again suffer through the same format for almost an entire year now is just annoying im personally done for the year ill be staying away from the game till atleast 2025 looks like
what a garbage list.
i think the hole comunity expected more 😥big oof
@Squiddys its like halfway there and they still left clear best decks we wanted diverse format and its just more of the same if this list was good i was gonna buy tins and get back in but im legit done
@@kaijutraps snake eyes lost a total of 3 cards in their deck. Plus they’re getting support next set. The format didn’t change. Maybe ritual beast will become better but is that what people want? To have 2 floodgates setup on them?
@AngryAyrab yea thats what I'm saying it's honestly not enough to make me want to come back I wanted like a full reset almost and the killing of tier 1 decks or atleast and attempt to bring them on equal footings we should banned Albion or puppet, hit the wanted card/witch, more hit to yubel and probably the goddess, as well as some hits for decks that would fill the new gap like runick
Lacrima was the fastest ban in TCG history
Sixth Sense?
@@chimeratcg07 if i remember correctly u are wrong, sixth sense was legal for like 8 weeks but Lacrima was only legal for like 6 weeks
@@yungcobalt I wasn't sure which one got banned the quickest tho, but I do remember Sixth Sense being banned pretty much immediately after Joey's World came out, similar to Lacrima being banned pretty much after INFO. I'm sure I'm missing one or two more cards.
@@yungcobalt Darkstrike Fighter was the other one, but back then the banlist was every 6 months, so I know it was on the metagame for a while.
Dark matter dragon was legal for 3 days, what are you talking about?
Will you be updating your guide accordingly?
ill be working on some azamina stuff for snakeeyes! will be available on the patreon in the next few weeks. but if you bought the snake eyes feel free to email me and i'll send you a copy 😃
@@Squiddys sweet!
@@Squiddys hey I emailed you but still havnt received the snake eyes combo 🙏
@@Fresh_34 its not ready yet but will email you it when it is 😺 shoot me anothar dm with ur email on twitter or on contact form on my site so i have u!
@@Squiddys perfect! Just messaged you on Twitter, appreciate you!
Huge loss for sacred beast players
It did do something. Punish rouge
I think all complaint too much man. You have other decks that was using Apollousa. Imper can negate Apollousa.
What do you think of memento in the upcoming format?
very good and undarrated but can they still do the full combo without beatrice off fiendsmith now i guess is the question?
@@Squiddys Without lacrima, one engraver is not able to bridge to your memento engine anymore. I play that deck and that's the first thing I checked when I saw the list.
@@wardy4903 thats too bad! at least we get the goblin spell next set it helps sammen mamento goblin
@@Squiddys not until ROTA, but once the new fiendsmith cards come out Engraver becomes a starter again
While this list was absolutely garbage and snake eyes more or less wasnt touched the deck is far more susceptible to handtraps now.
Not tier format until mid October
Long time no see !!!
Yeah konami def want to set the next power level higher so they can print stronger cards
Yyp yup, nothing changed.
Mystic Mine is still banned
#UnbanMysticMine
no they didn't. they lost 2nd and 3rd wave of offense and rank 6 extensions. if you can't beat the deck now it's a total skill issue.
@@Cardlimits azamina gonna slay 😔
Can you update your Tenpai powerpoint with combo lines and how to play against certain decks like Yubel, Memento, Whitewoods etc.? I bought it and it seems very overhyped compared to how you advertised it and its not to update with board breaking builds, Thanks.
ill be working on an updated slide deck for the new format! send me a dm with your email so i can have it sent to you when compleated
@@Squiddys thank you for the quick response. There isn’t a lot of information online about situational combos other than 2 dragons -> bident -> transcendent. There is feature match footage now though.
Delete runick fountain, is such a stupid card
So we just use tier 0 for fucking everything now? Either you guys forgot about tear format with the ishizu cards. Or you just enjoy click bait videos
U hit it right on the nail, clickbait
If they banned oak, poplar, fiendsmith engraver, Spirit of yubel, phantom of yubel and sangen summoning this banlist would be goated.
#FreeSuperheavySamuraiScarecrow
yugioh is a bad game
You want everything banned or at 1 bro, you're a 🤡
Silence, Metasheep. There is only despair for you and ruin for your people.
@@Wolfboi2564 I never play the best deck lol the decks I play are Tier 1.5 at best 🤣
@@chimeratcg07snake eye player call his deck tier 1.5
@@superpolymerization4169 what if I told you that I don't own a single Snake Eyes or Fiendsmith card?
@@chimeratcg07 lol i like banning stuff 💀💀😂😂