The 2014 Ferrari Mess Explained

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  • The 2014 Formula 1 season was the beginning of a new era for the sport. With a massive overhaul of the technical regulations, Mercedes would become the benchmark while Ferrari struggled throughout the year. The Ferrari F14T is one of Ferrari's most disappointing cars. Ferrari fans had high hopes for the new era, with some notable designers on board and a driver paring of Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen, there was reason to be optimistic. But in the background, Ferrari's structure fell apart. While Ferrari poached legendary designer Adrian Newey, figures high up within the team resigned and others were replaced which proved to be unhelpful during such an unstable season. Ferrari would eventually part ways with Fernando Alonso at the end of the season and 4x World Champion Sebastian Vettel would join for the 2015 season. This video will explain why 2014 was such a bad year for Ferrari. Enjoy!
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ความคิดเห็น • 509

  • @AbcdEfgh-sq2tf
    @AbcdEfgh-sq2tf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2571

    Kimi: prefers oversteer
    Alonso: prefers understeer
    Ferrari: why not build a car that does both at the same time

    • @Firebolt1729
      @Firebolt1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +290

      “Sometimes my genius is... it’s almost frightening” - Ferrari

    • @zoltanujvary770
      @zoltanujvary770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Perfect Explain😅😂
      A Ferrari fan

    • @alesksander
      @alesksander 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@Firebolt1729 Ha hah Yeah truly awesome. That sector 3 in ABD is so funny shit. Still amazed me that Ferdo almost won Hungary WTF

    • @Liagos76
      @Liagos76 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alesksander did'nt he get overtaken with like 3 laps to go

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Firebolt1729 Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺

  • @namenamename390
    @namenamename390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1231

    Imagine having both Kimi Räikkönen and Fernando Alonso in your team and finishing 104 points behind 3rd in the constructors.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺

    • @proxie1180
      @proxie1180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      the car felt like a 2021 haas so I would honestly give them props for finishing that high

    • @SadMarinersFan
      @SadMarinersFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@proxie1180 that car was nowhere near that bad.

    • @M4NA5
      @M4NA5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Imagine having a 4 time WDC and one of the most promising talents in F1 to finish in bottom half of constructor standings, after getting found out for cheating the engine regs with variable fuel flow.

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Alonso still managed to score 161 points to Kimi's 55 points

  • @Lastname6955
    @Lastname6955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +831

    Enzo: Aerodynamics are for people that can't build engines.
    Ferrari in 2021: Were only fastest at Monaco.

    • @alesksander
      @alesksander 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Yeah Ferrari was in last decade has one of best suspension setup and traction of all teams. Clearly one of strong competency from Italian engineers.

    • @xynostasos9022
      @xynostasos9022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Ferrari's package with Merc/Honda engine would be at least 0.2sec faster than both Merc/RB on downforce dominant circuits. I just hope they have designed a trully poweful engine for this season.

    • @amradzinovic4086
      @amradzinovic4086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ferrari in 2022-kick everybody's asses. 😂😂

    • @rayyan1495
      @rayyan1495 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xynostasos9022 guess you got your wish…

    • @xynostasos9022
      @xynostasos9022 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rayyan1495 it was not a wish, but a clear view of reality. Ferrari is back!

  • @danthewizhd1617
    @danthewizhd1617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +662

    Ah, I see what ferrari did there. F14T, because they already knew it was going to drive like a Fiat

    • @timwattrus7886
      @timwattrus7886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Why don't you have more likes

    • @CAESER226
      @CAESER226 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      How did i never saw this?

    • @gandalf_thegrey
      @gandalf_thegrey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      genius

    • @Antistar_TV
      @Antistar_TV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This one should be top comment

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@timwattrus7886 That was what fans called it at that time. The FIAT joke isnt new. Immediately during the launch and seeing that ugly nose and the drivers struggling to say even 1 good thing about it.

  • @TherealLorinser
    @TherealLorinser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    "Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines"
    Also Ferrari become the first team to introduce wing aerodynamic in Formula One during 1968 Season.

    • @Youtubax
      @Youtubax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I’m pretty sure it was Lotus the first F1 team that attached wings to the cars.

    • @TherealLorinser
      @TherealLorinser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Youtubax Nope, it's Ferrari they first use it at the 1968 French Grand Prix.
      The one your pointing is from 1969 when they introduce the high rear wing that also tried by other teams such as Matra, Brabham and BRM who had a very bizarre looking wing design.

    • @dylansmit3883
      @dylansmit3883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@TherealLorinser Lotus introduced wings on the 49B at the '68 Monaco Grand Prix, three races before Ferrari ran them.

    • @TherealLorinser
      @TherealLorinser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dylansmit3883 that wasn't considered as a *wings* wings are meant to be a bit higher, it's just like a ducktail, but still history books says Ferrari is the first one to introduce it from the sport. Lotus just took advantage of it and make it better and effective.

    • @dylansmit3883
      @dylansmit3883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TherealLorinser The front wings are also wings, so Ferrari wasn't the first to introduce 'wing aerodynamic'

  • @TL-xw6fh
    @TL-xw6fh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    Just shows us how incredible a talent Alonso is! A dog of a car and he still got 155 points in the season.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺

    • @pokeboi5438
      @pokeboi5438 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      161*

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      161 points to Kimi's 55

    • @marcps3522
      @marcps3522 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now we have Verstappen with, already, 150 points in only 8 races while Perez almost matches that 155 Alonso points :') How things changed...

    • @0megalul309
      @0megalul309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@marcps3522 comparing redbull 2022 to ferrari 2014 lol

  • @sadlaw2799
    @sadlaw2799 2 ปีที่แล้ว +502

    I would love it if you do something on Alonso's frustrating career choices.

    • @georgeshaw1389
      @georgeshaw1389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Second this!

    • @nicholasdh_63
      @nicholasdh_63 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I third this

    • @Anushka-qd3rs
      @Anushka-qd3rs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +1

    • @samakshyadav523
      @samakshyadav523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Anushka-qd3rs wassup shawty?wya

    • @RobynnxX
      @RobynnxX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@alunesh12345 please stop spamming formula one videos, god does not approve of pestering people with religion

  • @burkezillar
    @burkezillar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    It's incredible to think that, realistically, Minardi provided a better car to Alonso than McLaren could in the time he was there.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺

    • @pakalu1481
      @pakalu1481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Except 2007 of course

    • @weignerleigner3037
      @weignerleigner3037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@pakalu1481 that was more of a Ferrari than a mclaren 😂

  • @optic_fraxzzyt5720
    @optic_fraxzzyt5720 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Fernando would have won the championship with vettels 2018 car, you can't change my mind

  • @Marcushalberstram749
    @Marcushalberstram749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    F14T: understeer on corner entry, oversteer on corner exit. How the hell do you manage to royally screw up both?

    • @wutzitrone4522
      @wutzitrone4522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ever driven a first gen MR2?

    • @ventisette.
      @ventisette. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crap suspension and rough power delivery

    • @dragonkrieg4444
      @dragonkrieg4444 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      shitty aero package for the first one, shitty hybrid deployment for the second

  • @ben-kf9mh
    @ben-kf9mh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Fun fact: The F14t is the only car to understeer and oversteer at the same time

    • @dzikripratama3776
      @dzikripratama3776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now enter Aston Martin

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@dzikripratama3776 AM steered itself

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Which is ironic if you think about it because the F14T was a James Allison design and we all know he went on to design Mercedes' best cars (not this.year's tho)

  • @morry427
    @morry427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    People often make the statement: ’out performing the car.’ - which is stupid because it’s not possible. But in 2014 Alonso did indeed out perform the car.

    • @Toku91
      @Toku91 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      2012 as well!

  • @kuyt20
    @kuyt20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    2012 will probably always be the season from post-Senna F1 era where I am most impressed by a driver's performance. Alonso single-handedly made that season his, even if Vettel was the one who lifted the title at the end.

  • @chris_jqn
    @chris_jqn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    Onto a hopeful 2022 season. Tbh I'm really optimistic for next season.
    They could really pull one off and get the drivers and constructor championship

    • @MadeByPerspective
      @MadeByPerspective  2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Hell yeah 🐎

    • @Jimbo7
      @Jimbo7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There's rumors coming out of the paddock that Ferrari might be one of the teams that found a huge advantage. Praying to god that they're at the top, or at the very least fighting with the top. The sport just isn't the same without them posing a legitimate title claim, and Carlos and Charles are two of the nicest and most deserving people on the grid.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jimbo7 Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺

    • @johnj9111
      @johnj9111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jimbo7 where are these rumours? Any sources?

    • @GowthamV07
      @GowthamV07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hugely doubt that because the Top guys managing them are the same which caused the issues in the first place.

  • @VarunKumar-ro4ll
    @VarunKumar-ro4ll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    If I had a penny for everytime I have seen the video of Alonso fighting his car at the hotel section with the caption 'The car that understeered and overstreed at the same time', i might have the funds to own an F14T myself

    • @lewis8552
      @lewis8552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Seeing that specific video pop up so much is quite annoying. Especially considering it was the early minutes of first practice. Most cars that season would slide around like that, especially at the start of the weekend when the track is green.

  • @cooperhodgson2527
    @cooperhodgson2527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    2:48 I never knew Ferrari was sponsored by Haas before they entered f1 as there own team. You can see the logo on the black part at the bottom of the car

  • @hishamhilal8332
    @hishamhilal8332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How ironic is it that Marco said that Vettel will be Ferrari's new motivation and framed the problem to be Alonso only for years later for Vettel to have that same fate, years of frustration with Ferrari capped off with a disastrous season only for him to be replaced by Sainz who again was a new motivation for the team

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Alonso: "This is the worst car I have ever driven."
    McLaren: "That sounds like a challenge."

  • @deepak3267
    @deepak3267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Even in 2009, thanks to Kimi's miraculous win at Spa that Ferrari got any win that season..still Ferrari's last world champion.

    • @emilekaram7148
      @emilekaram7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So the 2014 Ferrari is worse than the 2009 one??

    • @ciricm7
      @ciricm7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@emilekaram7148 it's actually not

  • @swampthing94
    @swampthing94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It still saddens me that we lost the NA engines. Even the V8s that were milder than the V10s sounded amazing compared to these vacuum cleaners we've had since 2014

  • @cody95
    @cody95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Man it is gonna be a WILD day when Ferrari finally wins the championship again

  • @AlexTapisevic
    @AlexTapisevic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Alonso literaly went from bad to worse with Mclaren... what a shame so many years wasted, he could easily earn another world title.

  • @mrn8032
    @mrn8032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    In a racing series where tenths of a second means a lifetime to a driver . The ferraris were understeering into corners and oversteering out of corner. How the HELL alonso got 2 podiums and almost won in Hungary is beyond phenomenal . But again, this is the same dude who went to the title decider in a car which was slower than a Sauber in 2012

    • @Firebolt1729
      @Firebolt1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "slower than a Sauber"??

    • @mrn8032
      @mrn8032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Firebolt1729The C31 was faster than the F2012 on pace

    • @mudundisivaramaraju4640
      @mudundisivaramaraju4640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Slower than a Sauber? lol stop talking shit

    • @nishanthashok1188
      @nishanthashok1188 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@mrn8032 at the start of the season, it was. As the season went on, Ferrari was the 3rd/2nf best car in race pace and 4th best in quali pace. Alonso drove the shit out of the F2012

  • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
    @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I wouldn't say 2014 was a year to forget for Ferrari.
    If anything, it's a year to *remember* . If you don't learn from your mistakes, you can't improve. Without 2014, Ferrari never would've properly restructured the team and create the later cars that would win races again and would once again come very close to winning a title. I'm sure that 2014 has also contributed to an eerie silence now which wasn't around for a good 25 or so years.
    For those who still remember Ferrari's abysmal 1992-1993 seasons, which spilled over up until 1995 to 6 shall we say, Ferrari underwent a similar process which allowed them to reach the top again in the late 90s and for much of the 2000s. Who knows, we may see something very similar from next years onwards if the stars *finally* align. Same goes to McLaren, by the way.

    • @cesardepena7498
      @cesardepena7498 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then again, same thing could also he said by mclaren in 2015 and 2017, ferrari once again in 2020 ect.

  • @rumblefish9
    @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fully blaming it on Alonso's "temperament" is wrong and incredibly myopic. There were many issues in that team and Alonso's "temperament" was the least of them. Watch the documentary of Alonso's last race with Ferrari (its very candid) and you will see that he was actually well liked by the team. So much that many in his crew including his race engineer, Andrea Stella, left Ferrari to join him at Mclaren. Rob Smedley, Massa's engineer also says that contrary to what people think, Alonso was not disruptive or toxic.
    Many times Alonso was his own pit wall. Something that Former Ferrari Sporting Director Massimo Rivola recently revealed. Rivola said "Many times Alonso made those of us on the pit wall feel like idiots because he could see beyond. We were in front of our computers, he was doing another job, but he understood things before the others. Nobody read races like him."
    Development of the cars were slow. The team took too late to develop the aero components for the 2014 cars because they didn't even have a wind tunnel to test it and had to borrow Toyota Cologne's wind tunnel. The development stalled but I fully believe that Domenicali leaving was the last straw for Alonso. Alonso and Stefano worked well together but when Stefano Domenicali resigned and was replaced by inept Marco Mattiacci, Alonso became the defacto leader because Mattiacci had zero experience in F1. Alonso was questioning Mattiacci's decisions and Marco didn't like that the team were listening to Alonso more than him. Montezemolo wasnt happy that Alonso was vocal about Ferrari's problems but in all honesty, Alonso didn't need to complain publicly because it was apparent to all how badly Ferrari had fallen. Alonso didn't even outright complain and it was more cheeky throwaway lines. Alonso had made the decision not to continue his contract and requested to be released from it early. Ferrari agreed. But instead of fixing their issues, Ferrari removed the one thing that was working for them--Alonso. According to motorsportweek, Mattiacci reportedly believed that Vettel would be a bit subservient because he didn't speak Italian unlike Alonso who was fluent. And so Vettel was saddled with the same issues Alonso had. Nothing changed.

    • @grimm6jack
      @grimm6jack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funny, Vettel made the Ferrari pit wall look like idiots also several times... Regardless, with 2 of the 3 best drivers post-Schumacher, they failed to get titles. Clearly the drivers were not at fault. The amount of pressure they put on them and the terrible mismanagement has been a constant with this team. Even now, despite having all the conditions to be title contenders, they are screwing up and Leclerc is starting to be more vocal about it... He was all happy and all in 2019-2020 when the team wasn't a contender and he was up against a driver that was getting less and less motivated with the team, but now that he is the nr1 on a title contending car, he'll start to notice how Ferrari truly work. The calls they made in Imola and Monaco were just... bad...

  • @cameronorourke8369
    @cameronorourke8369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    You make some of the best f1 content

  • @vanxyth
    @vanxyth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    I would love to see what Adrian Newey + Seb could have achieved together at Ferrari ^^

    • @Schnooblers
      @Schnooblers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      i can tell you what would have happened.
      sebastian vettel becomes a 7 time world champion after dominating the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons.

    • @alesksander
      @alesksander 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Schnooblers Damn maybe u are right. If i remember those news well. They were prepared give Newey TOTAL control over engineering. That is bonkers. Essentially same move as was to the RB. But i think Binotto despite all shit he gets. It seems he sorted that culture quite well.

    • @Praise_God369
      @Praise_God369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ho'bot spinbastian showing something whitout holding newey's hand? The guy is a DISASTER 🤡

    • @magnussencube
      @magnussencube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Praise_God369 he did have a solid 2015 and part of 2017

  • @harrybruijs2614
    @harrybruijs2614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The 1.6 hybrid wasn't a unknown for Mercedes. It was their Idea.

    • @SnivelakFilms
      @SnivelakFilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly, they met with the FIA about the new regulations and sort of decided them, so they couldmstart developing the engine sooner than others.

  • @1nterzept661
    @1nterzept661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines"
    Didn't aged well knowing how Aerodynamics has become a positive factor in motorsports and how shitty the Ferrari engine is in modern F1.

    • @monkeybox3618
      @monkeybox3618 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This aged well

    • @nbain66
      @nbain66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@monkeybox3618 I don't know if this was sarcasm then, but in the last two races it's come true again

  • @roznaczygestosc
    @roznaczygestosc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a new (since march 2021) fan o F1 I really appreciate historical content!

  • @MrPotato16
    @MrPotato16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I would’ve loved it if Alonso stayed and Newey went to Ferrari. 17 - 19 would’ve been amazing

  • @vijayshelke6565
    @vijayshelke6565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I believe Alonso would have won the 2017 championship and would have dominated the 2018 . If he stayed at Ferrari

    • @stellar6643
      @stellar6643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What makes you think so?

    • @vijayshelke6565
      @vijayshelke6565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@stellar6643 I just know he could have

    • @Shadicboom101
      @Shadicboom101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No he wouldnt because the Car wouldnt be Developed that way it was now.

    • @vijayshelke6565
      @vijayshelke6565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shadicboom101 it's a what if situation

    • @no1washerezz
      @no1washerezz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stellar6643 because vettel was making mistakes. wait do you hear that? hockenheim 2018? oops. i feel like in a specific time (2013), vettel was the best driver of all time period. he won 11 races that season while webber won 0. cant help but feel as if he used all his skill that year.

  • @SleepySriracha
    @SleepySriracha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I swear I could watch your videos for hours keep this up more 2022 F1 Car contents please thank you. 😁

  • @845_Mk6
    @845_Mk6 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We need more of these car history videos I’d binge watch em all

  • @patrickbateman6682
    @patrickbateman6682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Idk why but this car is a guilty pleasure of mine, i love how weird it looks and how bad it is, it's like an anti-ferrari but it's so cool somehow because Alonso drove the washers off that thing.

  • @DavidGarcia-oi5nt
    @DavidGarcia-oi5nt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great bloody video m8! I definitely want more of these!

  • @blazi2293
    @blazi2293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brawn as the team principal
    Newey as the designer
    Fernando/Kimi driving the car
    Imagine what it could have been 😳
    +Enzo's quote is quite ironic when you realize the aerodynamic F40 is regarded as one of the most legendary Ferrari road cars (well to be fair it's not just aerodynamics, her engine is a powerhouse)

  • @devravi7049
    @devravi7049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i mean watching the amazing battle in silverstone between alonso and vettel you can really see alonso fighting the car and it feels like it could snap and over steer at any given time. its amazing the skill it mustve taken to keep that car on the road and the patience for alonso to not do a prost and call the car what it was, a heap of junk and get fired mid season lol.

  • @manmonkee
    @manmonkee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tenacity and metronomic consistency are Fernando's outstanding qualities.

  • @shmet
    @shmet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The car was so bad, Alonso decided to drive GP2 in 2015😅

  • @montymichael3480
    @montymichael3480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You're such an incredible storyteller. ♥️

  • @garinakbar1907
    @garinakbar1907 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Had Fernando not made that move to McLaren in 2015, he'll be the true challenger for Mercedes in 2015, yes Vettel did challenge the McLaren, but Fernando can win races even more than Vettel three, in fact if both champions teammates that year, it will be a complete team in 2015

  • @Matt-lg6vk
    @Matt-lg6vk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Alonso didn’t struggle at mclaren , mclaren struggled for alonso . Alonso was still top 3 driver on the grid while at mclaren

    • @ciaronsmith4995
      @ciaronsmith4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He struggled in 2007. No doubt.

    • @Matt-lg6vk
      @Matt-lg6vk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ciaronsmith4995 lost the championship by 1 point after getting a joke of a penalty in Hungary but yeah he struggled okay. The comment has 34 likes .

    • @ciaronsmith4995
      @ciaronsmith4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Matt-lg6vk Alonso's mistakes in 2007:
      Went off the road in Spain at the start
      Needed team orders in Monaco to win
      Went off the road 4 times in Canada
      Underperformed in France
      Cracked under pressure in Hungary and underperformed
      Crashed in Fuji
      Underperformed in China
      Honestly, Kimi wins that title in a McLaren by Fuji.

    • @Matt-lg6vk
      @Matt-lg6vk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ciaronsmith4995 Ferrari give team preference to kimi by giving him a better strategy to win in Brazil 😂 and massa happened to ‘accidentally’ run wide before his pit stop .

    • @ciaronsmith4995
      @ciaronsmith4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Matt-lg6vk Literally ITV themselves said Kimi jumped Massa in the pits fairly. Massa didn't run wide at all he put a wheel on the grass briefly. He pitted and got jumped by Kimi fair and square who had more fuel as always. Just like in France 2007 and Malaysia 2008. Kimi had 2 DNFS up to that point down to mechanical reliability, he would have wrapped up the title already if not for those. He won twice as many races as Massa in the end. Alonso lost to a rookie. Not just because Alonso had to adapt to new tyres and a new team, but because he simply made mistakes.

  • @flaviomoneri3858
    @flaviomoneri3858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think from 8:20 onwards speaking about Fernando leaving Ferrari, the facts are a little different.
    Fernando has said in Spanish interviews he decided to leave the team already at the Spa weekend. And told the team accordingly.

  • @cloud42269
    @cloud42269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was Ferrari fan just because of Fernando during Vettels era.

  • @felipe0102031
    @felipe0102031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The most overrated team of anything, any competition ever... highest budget in almost all of the 71 championships they disputed and only 15 titles.

    • @amradzinovic4086
      @amradzinovic4086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't cry. 😂😂😂

    • @ryanjonathanmartin3933
      @ryanjonathanmartin3933 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah bro exactly. Sure 16 CCs look impressive on paper, but when you see how long they've been in the sport the "awe" wears off.

  • @mrRTvids
    @mrRTvids 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If Fernando wouldve just stayed until 2017 and 2018, he would probably be a 4 time champion by now. I doubt he wouldve made the mistakes Vettel did in those years. However might be that with Fernando in the team, Ferrari wouldnt have been as competitive, never know.

    • @reck1224
      @reck1224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ferrari had many reliability issues that went beyond the driver later in the year both in 17 and 18 so I doubt the result would have been different. Maybe they don’t lose by 60 points though.

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@reck1224 Near the end of 2018 I remember Andrew Benson tweeting that many inside Ferrari believe that had Alonso been driving the 2018 car, he would have won it. I definitely think that had Stefano Domenicali not resigned, Alonso would have stayed with the team onwards.

    • @grimm6jack
      @grimm6jack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fernando lost to Hamilton in 2007 when he was a rookie in the same team... He was not going to beat Hamilton in a better team and overall faster and more reliable cars. Vettel in 2017 did everything possible to win the title but circumstances outside of his control like other drivers crashing, punctures and reliability issues pushed him away from the title.
      In 2018, Vettel was really a disaster in the 2nd half, but so was Ferrari... Maybe Alonso wouldn't lose by 60 points, but he wouldn't be anywhere near Hamilton in 2018. In 2018, Hamilton was at his peak. Alonso or any other driver was not going to beat him in 2018 unless they were his teammates in the same team and car and also at their own peaks (2012 Alonso, 2013 Vettel).
      People act like losing to Hamilton, one of the GOATs of this sport, automatically makes you a bad driver... and when he is on his peak years and on the team that won 8 CONSECUTIVE constructors titles.
      You want better comparison between Alonso and Vettel? Taking away the wet qualifying sessions, Vettel on average was faster than Kimi in 2015 than Fernando was in 2014, and in 2014 Kimi was at his return year for Ferrari while Alonso was on his 5th season with them while in 2015 Kimi was on his 2nd season with Ferrari and Vettel on his first... It also doesn't help that Kimi himself described the 2015 Ferrari much better to drive and suited to him...
      At the very least, when they are on their best, Vettel has more pace than Alonso. I do think Alonso has better race craft though but in title contender cars, pace is more important than race craft.

    • @mrRTvids
      @mrRTvids 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@grimm6jack I havent read bigger nonsense in my life. Alonso wouldve drove into a wall in 2018 Germany? Alonso wouldve spinned 3 races in a row? Alonso wouldve lost a 30 point championship lead? Alonso wouldve absolutely beaten Hamilton in 2017 and 2018. Alonso who lost out by 3 points with barely the second fastest car in 2012 in one of the most dominant eras ever when Hamilton was nowhere to be seen in a better car.
      Also Alonso didnt "lose" in 2007, they equaled on points. Hamilton outqualified Alonso, but Alonso beat Hamilton on race days 10-7. Doesnt really seem as a loss to me. Also that "rookie" status is not as impressive when drivers got a whole season worth of pre testing back then unlike nowadays.
      Hamilton lost a title to Rosberg and was outscored by Button in 2010-2012 as well as lost the 2011 season to Button and now is getting his a** kicked by a Mercedes rookie Russell, as well as lost the 2021 title with the fastest car. Alonso wiped the floor with Button, Massa, Kimi, Villeneuve, Trulli, Ocon, Grosjean, Vandoorne etc.

    • @grimm6jack
      @grimm6jack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mrRTvids Yeah, keep going at it fanboy... Disregard Hamilton's achievements all you want... And I'm not even a Hamilton fan (I like Alonso more actually) but the way people talk about Alonso disgusts me... And all his mistakes somehow pass under everyone's radar and yet as soon as Hamilton or Vettel make a mistake they are scrutinized to death...

  • @ledseblin
    @ledseblin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top notch off season content thank you

  • @amygdalawya
    @amygdalawya 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this after the Lewis news. Going to be a helluva season

  • @bimonsolivar8898
    @bimonsolivar8898 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content!

  • @richardp8256
    @richardp8256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I wonder how Ferrari made such a massive leap from 2014-2015

    • @RuudGloudemans
      @RuudGloudemans 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They almost started from scratch with their engine design and although not mentioned in the video, things were changed in the organisation by Antonello Coletta (who now leads the extremely successfull Ferrari GT department and LMH project) which meant the chaos disappeared.
      Also with Alonso leaving the team a lot of internal anger between different people disappeared and I think the arrival of Vettel gave everyone a boost to produce a better car

    • @simoneburini4036
      @simoneburini4036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RuudGloudemans also Vettel had something to prove to the world

    • @souldevil6997
      @souldevil6997 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@simoneburini4036 i had nothing to do with driving ability.....its just alonso's bad luck ....nothing else

  • @professorcarrot3435
    @professorcarrot3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the 2015 car was headed by Tombazis, however he was let go by ferrari before the season started and never received credit for it

  • @jcmoore5796
    @jcmoore5796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I encourage everyone to listen to the Beyond the Grid episode with legendary F1 engineer Steve Nichols. At some point in the episode, he gives you a clear picture of how chaotic things can be in Maranello.

  • @ericthomas6429
    @ericthomas6429 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is almost criminal that neither Alonso nor Vettel could snatch a world title with Ferrari.

  • @mikemike5462
    @mikemike5462 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a video about Arrivabene and Binotto?

  • @kyaryi1
    @kyaryi1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Alonso didn't drive the car.
    He battled it.

  • @hamza-chaudhry
    @hamza-chaudhry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:11 Really shows how impactful Newey was

    • @philrod1
      @philrod1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The guy had TEN world championships at that point. Eleven now, I suppose.

  • @rbt4196
    @rbt4196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    To be honest the 2014 rule change in terms of their engine is bad. The engine sound is like vacuum cleaner to be honest because of their hybrid power-train. Only if that hybrid was removed, it could have been sounding more like the 80's version of the V6 engine. But the good thing is that Ferrari was fast as the year progresses. Hopefully, they will shoot up for a title fight

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I don't like the hybrid system because it just adds cost and weight and kills the sound of the engine

    • @cesardepena7498
      @cesardepena7498 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Then again. Without these changes f1 would get critism from locals about there carbon footprint, and would also mean other series would catch up in terms of speed, since the hybrid system convincingly outperforms it's cost, and with indycar bringing it in, and also moving their base horsepower to 900, f1 may of been slower at one point. Not to mention super formula as well could also take the crown away.

    • @Panda-xx4hs
      @Panda-xx4hs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Fred_the_1996 that's why they remove the MGU-H with the 2026 engine changes

    • @sonoafafayon
      @sonoafafayon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The hybrid isn't the issue, it's the turbos. Look at road cars, such as the Ferrari 458 vs the 488. The car goes from an incredible sounding V8 to a rather dull one with the addition of turbos. Same for BMW in GT3, with the Z4 V8 sounding insane and the turbo M6 sounding pretty boring.

    • @simoneburini4036
      @simoneburini4036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      WTF... The electric part doesn't impact the sound of the internal combustion engine. Like... At all.

  • @aaronschlueter98
    @aaronschlueter98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You have to appreciate Newey's loyalty to RedBull.

  • @stevohoward3076
    @stevohoward3076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ferrari were on the wrong path back then. Alonso's frustrations had been building for sometime at that stage.

  • @joelhunt9623
    @joelhunt9623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely best video yet

  • @EqualizerLNF
    @EqualizerLNF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's unfortunate that due to contractual reasons, Alonso HAD to always get preferential treatment and finish in front of Kimi one way or the other. And then in some weekends it was like Ferrari had focused all their energy and strategies on one car, guess whose :)
    I would have loved to see these two legends race against each other with equal cars and without politics and contractual stuff getting in the way. BOTH were amazing drivers worthy of winning championships, no doubt about it.

    • @THIAGO-hh4zu
      @THIAGO-hh4zu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Alonso -161 p
      Kimi-55p

    • @contender1183
      @contender1183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@THIAGO-hh4zu Did you even read what he wrote you dolt? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @jidao882
      @jidao882 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They had equal cars. You don't pay Raikkonen 20 millions to make him a second driver. He got beaten fair and squair.

    • @THIAGO-hh4zu
      @THIAGO-hh4zu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@contender1183 Alonso -161 p
      Kimi-55p

    • @souldevil6997
      @souldevil6997 ปีที่แล้ว

      cry cry cry more chutmarike

  • @Siu1404
    @Siu1404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was 7 years old in 2014.I remember that my hero that time(Fernando)won and got many wins and podiums before 2014 but halfway through the season,I noticed that Fernando didn't even win a race and barely got on the podium.It was a very stressful season that was and one I would really like to forget.This shows how weak the F14T was that year.

    • @emilekaram7148
      @emilekaram7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Weaker than 2009??

    • @Siu1404
      @Siu1404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@emilekaram7148The ferrari car in 2009 in my opinion was even faster than 2014 bcoz they had won one race in 2009.(my opinion)

    • @emilekaram7148
      @emilekaram7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Siu1404 mmmm, but maybe your opinion is completely true. I think 80% of fans will say Ferrari 2009 better than Ferrari 2014, + 2020 and 2005

    • @emilekaram7148
      @emilekaram7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But hey, maybe Ferrari 2020 was in fact even better than 2014, but lower position cause of tougher competition

    • @Siu1404
      @Siu1404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@emilekaram7148in my opinion i think the 2014 one was still better than 2020😬

  • @jealva
    @jealva 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2014 was the only year at Ferrari that Alonso was not on the podium at Monza (he previously had a P1, a P2 and 2 P3s). Fittingly perhaps, his car broke down and he could not finish the race.

  • @cadet15
    @cadet15 ปีที่แล้ว

    The car turned in and out at the same time! Now that’s innovation.

  • @janetrpkov9094
    @janetrpkov9094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:08 He said it!

  • @adamferdian5867
    @adamferdian5867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah yes, Ferrari a team that always say they will win the world title but never deliver it since 2009

  • @GGoblin1
    @GGoblin1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing that we are on the cusp of the next era...times sure flies. Hope Ferrari are better prepared this time round

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤😍🤗😇☺🙏

    • @driffbro3380
      @driffbro3380 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If Hitler belived in jesus after all the things he did, would he go to heaven?

  • @blacksackjack9302
    @blacksackjack9302 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do Sebastian Vettel's career in Ferrari and why he failed to win a single WDC

  • @apc9681
    @apc9681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yessss been waiting for this!

    • @MadeByPerspective
      @MadeByPerspective  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Enjoy mate 🙏🏽

    • @apc9681
      @apc9681 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MadeByPerspective ❤️

  • @Jay-nk6dm
    @Jay-nk6dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    And now this same instability at a time of massive rule changes is happening at alpine. Will alonso every catch a break?

  • @BarelyA1ive
    @BarelyA1ive ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its crazy to see they finished 4th

  • @Rypsolisti
    @Rypsolisti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    F14T's power unit was designed physically as small as possible and this was demanded and decided by Ferrari's aerodynamics team, according to Luca Marmorini. Aero team's idea was to have ''size zero'' rear end for F14T and that demanded the power unit to be very very small. In theory a good plan, efficient aerodynamics would benefit the whole aero concept of the car but in reality aerodynamic performance of F14T was not what Ferrari expected. Poor handling and mediocre aerodynamics combined with size zero power unit that lacked power meant lackluster pace. Good concept in theory but a flawed one in reality, probably caused by internal fighting and lack of leadership.

    • @marcoroberts9462
      @marcoroberts9462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mclaren tried to do a size zero concept in 2003 - that didn’t work either

  • @gamm8939
    @gamm8939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair, Allison came to Ferrari in mid 2013. Not really his design

  • @louielouie95
    @louielouie95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do A Video About The McLaren Honda Failure

  • @Aubergineman18
    @Aubergineman18 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you sure it was project 665 because you know what is next a demon number

  • @MaroonEvo
    @MaroonEvo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What If ,Ferrari dumped the golden boy Leclerc to Ferrari B team or placed him in any other ferrari series While they rehire back Fernando alongside Carlos Sainz partnership together .It will be a great opportunity for Fernando to participate fight for championship with a competitive car but the current issue from a modern Ferrari team were misjudged their strategy and couldn't handle under pressure for long period of time like redbull did , Although Ferrari were able to bounce back in short amount of time but the team needs to deliver a massive performance during each their races otherwise it's a blind hope for Tifosi each year.

  • @jaredsiew8413
    @jaredsiew8413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ferrari in 2020 to Ferrari in 2014: hold my beer

  • @alexanderthegreat11
    @alexanderthegreat11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2014 was the year I stopped watching it until halfaway through 2016. I guess the combination of the looks and bad ferrari performance had a big impact as now I cant imagine going nearly 2 years without f1.

  • @Ak47_But_Not_the_Gun
    @Ak47_But_Not_the_Gun 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The hell with LinkedIn adds

  • @ScuderiaInspire
    @ScuderiaInspire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    At this rate I’d like to hear a story on the SF1000

  • @soundscape26
    @soundscape26 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have been putting out really solid content lately. Keep up the good work!

  • @danielalonso6223
    @danielalonso6223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Newey turned the Ferrari offer down when Montezemolo leaked their meeting to the Italian press, knowing that politics will always be at play in Maranello.

  • @Joseph_Porta
    @Joseph_Porta ปีที่แล้ว

    The PU was compromised for aero.

  • @alanluscombe8a553
    @alanluscombe8a553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Everyone but Mercedes missed the mark with the new power unit……….. for 7 years

    • @francishallare204
      @francishallare204 ปีที่แล้ว

      Errm Honda

    • @alanluscombe8a553
      @alanluscombe8a553 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@francishallare204 you obviously didn’t see the amount of years I put did you? Honda sucked ass until recently and got stomped by Mercedes for years

    • @francishallare204
      @francishallare204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alanluscombe8a553 Ferrari 2018 and 2019 power unit is on par or surpassed Mercedes in someways

    • @alanluscombe8a553
      @alanluscombe8a553 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@francishallare204they weren’t any better at all when they had to stop their illegal fuel flow

    • @francishallare204
      @francishallare204 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alanluscombe8a553 Power Unit and Budget was the only advantage Mercedes when cost cap and engine freeze happened it's not a surprise Mercedes started going downhill.

  • @AS19Motorsport
    @AS19Motorsport 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only car to ever understeer and oversteer at the same time

  • @niklassteinhauser5191
    @niklassteinhauser5191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s finally there :D

  • @generalgabrielsatori
    @generalgabrielsatori 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “The car that’s understeer and oversteer at the same time.”
    So Ferrari simply built the most annoying car possible on the grid.

  • @jw6058
    @jw6058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If anyone here would like to know how unstable the car was there’s footage of the F14-T with Raikkonen around Spielberg oversteering in almost every corner

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @seb99342
      @seb99342 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alunesh12345 another Fatherless child

  • @Da_Osta
    @Da_Osta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I know the reason... The only reason of course is that negative aura of the sponsor underneath the UPS logo on the side... (look at 2:28)

  • @zenon459
    @zenon459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is gonna be made for Merc next big reg change

  • @MrLefty27
    @MrLefty27 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The issue is Ferrari is left out of the loop with the UK manufactures. I am sure they sit out in the pub and discuss they plans. That’s why Barnard had the Ferrari satellite team in the UK to keep up with the latest gossip coming out of the UK.

  • @protoretro1290
    @protoretro1290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Imagine If Newey accepted the Ferrari deal

  • @aryamanjoshi9657
    @aryamanjoshi9657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The story, in my opinion, matches with the flawed car they had in 2009 as well, when massive rule changes created a bad car. The engine wasn't bad, but Enzo's quote on aerodynamics was proved wrong.

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dassault said the same thing in the business jet world... "Winglets are for people who don't know how to properly design a wing". 15 years later and Dassaults entire line has winglets.

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 2009 car at least won one race, I guess.

    • @NDakovic
      @NDakovic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      New regulations, new fuckup on horizont

    • @aryamanjoshi9657
      @aryamanjoshi9657 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NDakovic will surely anger Ferrari fans :)

    • @NDakovic
      @NDakovic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aryamanjoshi9657 im already angry ahhahah

  • @rickgrimesf1
    @rickgrimesf1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    alright, now it's time to do 2020

  • @squabbbb
    @squabbbb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shit. 2:48
    Look at that bottom sponsor, just under the UPS logo, the reason this car was terrible has become clear!

  • @hamett356
    @hamett356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fernando thought he never could drive a worst car than de 2014 Ferrari, then that 2015 McLaren.... poor guy, always marked by it´s own bad decisions.

  • @alanluscombe8a553
    @alanluscombe8a553 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really wish Alonso would have stayed with Ferrari just for 2015. He dragged Ferraris 2012 car close

  • @rhodrage
    @rhodrage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine a world with a Newey designed Ferrari?

  • @devravi7049
    @devravi7049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is why i laugh when people say that 2022 will be ferraris year, never NEVER has ferrrari performed immediately after a rule change. theyre probably gonna have a below average car where the drivers are gonna fight theyre hearts out and then towards the end of the season are they gonna have a competitive car. i think.

    • @evansyx1818
      @evansyx1818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2017 rule change they had the best chassis on the grid.

    • @evansyx1818
      @evansyx1818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They came up the innovative side pod's which many teams from 17 onwards copied

    • @evansyx1818
      @evansyx1818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are just very inconsistent. Which is strange considering the budget and resources they have.

    • @devravi7049
      @devravi7049 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evansyx1818 yeah no agreed they had the best chassis but like theyre engine (which stays the same this year) was pretty weak and thats why they couldn't compete with the mercs and as much as they'll prolly have a good enough car for podiums no title challenge is happening and if it does ill be very happy for charles and carlos they deserve it. its probability is really low cause like they seem to be very slow right out of the gate usually.

    • @evansyx1818
      @evansyx1818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@devravi7049 I agree mate. We will never win the title