Lol my uncle used to sleepwalk. I remember he once tried to carry a tv out of the apartment. He did bizarre things but you know without trying to kill anyone.
My old coworker was good friends with this poor girl. When the incident first took place, the news labeled it as a jealous lover type murder or unrequited love. They were never together and she never gave any indication that she had any feelings toward him other than platonic. Such an awful thing that happened to what I’ve heard was a wonderful person.
It always baffles me why people kill because that person doesn’t love them. Why would you wanna be someone who doesn’t love you? It’s really sad and frustrating. Great analysis Dr Grande!!
@mike christian Chum, you need to calm down and retract your judgement of this person about whom you know nothing at all. You have disclosed several things about yourself in your rant that shed light on your motivations but have zero reflection upon the author if the thread. I feel sorry for you, but will now move on.
You are talking from the point of view of a level headed, self composed, sane person with little to no untreated life ruining mental health burdens on them. Some people and animals are unable to cope with rejection to the point they just let aggression to take over.
@@chieflordbossking4707 you might be a good looking dude with a lot of swag or charisma…. There are some dudes that can’t get ANY WOMEN no matter how hard they try… They are called INCELS. THOSE DUDES make it to 30 yrs old with no sex at all. 😩
@@Mr.Chris.P.Bacon1 I forgot I hit send on this comment? I don't have charisma and I'm not charming. But what I do I treat my bithces like an ATM card, I'll take the ugliest bithh in Oakland over a one. I don't have no time for beginners. Mac dre happens to be playing.
It's not surprising though. Even my county can't release a community packet that doesn't include local-college improvements beside alcohol ads, with those being beside places for 14yo to shop & hang out. It's a weird culture we've got.
I feel like this part of his analysis was really inaccurate -- people make shirts to commemorate loved ones that have died and then they "sell them" for donations for the family for medical and funeral costs. Especially young people who have passed. I don't think him having the shirt was a "badge of honor" thing like Dr. Grande said, it was probably from a benefit the family put on or something.
As a sleepwalker since childhood, I know I do and say weird things when I'm asleep (NO recreational drugs or alcohol). However, I'm not THAT hard to wake up and there is NO WAY that I could remain asleep through the commission of a violent crime. I find these stories incredible.
Committing an act of violence is very rare. I sleepwalk. I have only remembered it once. I tripped over something, and hit the tall metal closet door, and I yelled something, and I heard my wife say “stop it, you’re scaring me.” But, I don’t remember getting back in bed.
Everyone is different and your experiences as a sleepwalker are obviously very valid but not everyone experiences it the same way...For instance, Im guessing you have never walked off a building while sleepwalking either but others have. You have never hurt or killed anyone during sleepwalking but he may have.
The tragedy of this is that things could have turned out so different for Randy. He was going to college. He was working in law enforcement in a jail. This could have been the start of a rewarding career. He had medical insurance through his job. When he retired he would have had a decent pension. It is mind boggling that he threw all that away.
I was thinking that too. I wouldn’t have gone back for a gift, I would have told him to mail it or keep it. He probably made that part up and we’ll never know what he really said to get her to come back.
She thought he was just intoxicated and she was leaving in a day. He had never raised his voice and she never suspected violence. It isn't fair to blame the victim. She thought he was a misguided guy. Unfortunately, he was more than just misguided.
@@michellemahar9030 Of course not the victims fault. I'm just saying....me personally....if I'm in the process of vacating my apartment, and on my last night there a roommate (whom I'm not attracted to) appears in my closet naked, I'm probably not gonna bother returning once I'm finally out.
I'm asleep right now, while I'm typing this comment. 😴 I agree, Dr.Grande. He didn't kill her while he was sleepwalking. You can sleepwalk, talk, and do a lot of other things while asleep,, when you have serious sleep disorders. What he did, the fact that she fought back, no way you'd stay asleep through all of that. 🧐 Interesting video, Dr.Grande. I will be back to comment on it, when I wake up. ⏰ Thanks, Dr.Grande! Shhhh. 🤫🥱
Right?! Plus the point about there in no WAY being enough time for him to get into slow-wave nREM state sleep (which is when sleep walking happens) is very relevant. Not plausible at all.
The closet is such an extra invasive space in your home to violate.. As a women I feel like it’s basically the house version of “inside my purse”. It’s just for you, and having someone insert their naked body amongst all your personal items would be horrifying. Tragically, this wasn’t the worst of it, but this was an alarming warning to get out of the house and run away from this naked person.
@Iris-Angela Jones Oh my gosh, girl. I’m so happy for you that he’s an Ex now!! You’ve got my curiosity piqued though, what WAS he doing in your closet? Was he trying on your clothes or something?
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My husband was diagnosed with idiopathic REM sleep disorder he had it as long as we’ve been married so I can rightfully guess he has had it most of his life. He does not use drugs or alcohol when he get active during a dream he gets out of bed punching and screaming and no we don’t sleep together I received a few bruises and a black eyeblack eye before I made the decision to have my own bed. He is on medication now it has helped but not totally stopped the dreams.
I have violent sleepwalking episodes. I once kicked the window out next to my bed and cut my legs, but never have I tried to cover up any of my sleep shenanigans.
You know I wonder if men tend to be violent when sleeping verus women my you know the testosterone! I have slept walked with Ambien but just simply do crazy things and walk around the city! But men? Might be a reasonable doubt? Only himself and God really know!
I'm sorry you struggle with this degree of sleepwalking difficulty. It is not fun and very disorienting. The type of sleep walking violence you experience is SO MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE than this murder defence. Kicking out a window requires not much complexity...just kick the thing repeatedly in a motion that is fairly straightforward. Even riding a bicycle is not that complex if you do it often. I can see punching someone unconscious while sleepwalking: horrendous, but not murder. It's just way too difficult to murder someone with a knife and it is in no way a routine action.
Perhaps people don't want to dismiss the notion of murdering someone whilst sleeping because there is a deep seated fear that any of us might wake up to find we've done something terrible. In reality the worst thing we're likely to do while truly sleep walking is raid the fridge and leave the door open. No way did this guy remain sleeping while a terrified woman fought for her life.
Lol, i bashed my face into the fridge door! Must have thought it was an opening i could maneuver in my sleep state. Needless to say i woke up immediately and had a sore nose for days. Ps - i was also eating a werthers when i 'came to'.
I've slept walked a half dozen times over the years I actually remember. My parents tell me I did as a kid as well, i'm in my 40's now. Once as a young adult i tried to climb out my window naked, woke up when my foot touched the cold ground. Another time i tried for some reason to put a big bird cage in bed with my girlfriend. Woke up balancing this 4 ft tall cage on the edge of the bed. Another time i walked into my Dads bedroom naked thinking I was going to the bedroom. No idea why I was always naked. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I wake up, easily as soon as anyone speaks to me. I still occasionally (like once a yr or so) wake up on the couch after going to sleep in the bedroom. Its extremely creepy, like being black out drunk without all the good times pissing off everyone around you. Regardless, even I dont believe the sleep walking defense.
Oh dear, the bird cage 😂 It's weird what kinds of stupid things one does while sleepwalking. During a particularly stressful time of my life I woke up 5 or 6 times in one night standing in the middle of my bedroom. Each time I thought "oh shit, come on, stop that!". The last time that night I was caressing the leaves of a potted plant. 😳 And yes, it is scary. As if someone else takes over your body and is messing with it (not that I believe in such things, it's just for description). 😨
@@murphychurch8251 Carl Jung said: "In each of us there is an ʘther whom we do not know. He speaks to us in dreams and tells us how differently he sees us from the way we see ourselves."
My sister sleepwalking and I think it stems from anxiety. She has got the phone book out to call 911, she has tried waking me up telling me someone's at my car (no one was there), the night after our oldest sisters funeral, we were staying at a hotel and she was frantically looking for something on the bed and telling me to get up because somethings wrong, and the scariest one was when again, we were at a hotel and she started patting down her husband, looking for his gun to protect her son from the 'hoodlums' we ran into earlier at the hotel. It scares the living hell out of me when she does that kind of stuff. She never remembers either.
Awhile ago, a roomate of mine, had a brother who was troublesome when he sleepwalked. He told us a few crazy stories but then said that he was cool when he invited him over to sleep over. I woke up to this dude straight up walking around the house knocking things over and being all crazy like Frankenstein or something. I'm sure there must have been some type of substance involved.
My ex-husband used to sleepwalk. Sometimes he would just get up and take a shower for hours, but sometimes he would jump out of bed fighting an invisible enemy to death. He would even yell "I'll kill you!" and stuff like that. It was pretty scary. Later I found out he was on cocaine most of the time, which explains a lot. Now I'm happily divorced!
I watched this documentary....we would have fallen for the sleep story if it had been more then 5 minutes that he claims he was so far in a deep sleep that he killed her and has no memory....smh. the neighbors ring camera caught everything in real time.....he was good as guilty
Did you know there are actual cases of “sleep eating”? These people eat when they’re sleep walking, then return to bed and have no memory the next morning. I saw a special about sleep walking, as I recall a woman didn’t believe she was eating in her sleep. So her husband put a camera in the kitchen and recorded the activity. His wife would get up in the middle of the night, walk into the kitchen, open the refrigerator and start eating the food she found. She would actually eat mayonnaise out of the jar!
@@katarina1852I knew people did this while on Ambien, but not just sleepwalking alone. Ambien makes people sleep-eat, sleep-shop (online purchases), sleep-cook (when my mom took it she would take out pots and pans and flour and in the morning have no idea why they were there lol). But yeah that is interesting and weird! I indulge in chocolate late at night too sometimes... I would also like to blame this activity on "sleep-eating" so I cannot be held responsible 😂
"I'm asleep right now" too! No no no I'm not Dr. Grande. Your videos always keep me WIDE 😳 awake and interested in your spot on analysis of these weird cases.
I had sleepwalking episodes whilst on a military deployment. It used to really worry my colleagues and also caused concern to the point where conversations were being had of me being sent home. Very strange circumstance to be involved in. It hadn't happened to me since I was very young and not since. I'd love to here about situations like that, that have been investigated by the psychology community.
Dr. grande why are you such a savage. U always come up with some slayer jokes in such a monotone voice. Which makes it even more funny in my opinion. 😅 love your video g!!!
I have parasomnia and it runs in my family, as well. When my dad was growing up there were reports of a ghost wandering the country roads where they lived. Turned out it was his sister. She would take her sheet with her when she went out roaming. One time they found her miles away curled up in a ball in the middle of the road, sleeping. One time when I was asleep, I unraveled an entire afghan that I was in the process of crocheting. My husband said he watched me do it, tried to talk me out of it and then just let me be. (And there are many other times that I've done things while sleeping that I don't remember the next day.) So, I do believe you can do weird things while sleeping. However, the fact she found him naked in her closet the day before, definitely makes me think that was his first attempt and that this was intentional, done while he was definitely awake. Drunk probably, but awake. It's just too bad she wasn't weirded out enough by that to make sure she didn't go back there alone. :-(
My ex husband attacked me in his sleep a couple times. I woke up to him on top of me and trying to strangle me. Both times he woke up immediately (the first time as soon as I screamed and the second time as soon as I moved him off of me) and he was very apologetic. He remembered the nightmares he was having during the episodes, and they roughly matched what he was doing irl.
I'm sure it can happen but this guy's claim of a sleepwalking is total obvious B.S. But as Dr Grande pointed out, it was really the only type of defense he could make.
@@reedriter yes definitely. An actual irl example of a sleep attack highlights how outlandish the criminal's claims were. Because just like Dr Grande said, the complexity of what he did adds doubt. Clumsily strangling and being woken with a scream or push is very different than how the criminal's events were portrayed.
@@bethanychatman9531 he did see a Dr and they decided it was probably a combination of stress and the medications he was on. He made some changes and it stopped for the most part. But he was really apologetic about it, I felt bad for him.
Ambien sleeping pills as well as many different anti-depressant drugs have homicide and suicidal thoughts as a side effect, but we don’t hold pharma responsible so if those drugs play any role in a murder we always just put full responsibility on the individual, and don’t question what roll drugs might play.
Really interesting analysis, particularly the part about how it is possible that sympathy can (though ultimately it did not in this case) work against justice.
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Wow, thanks for the intricate analysis of this awful murder. You always have so many details that are never in the news or docs. Thanks for being an excellent detective. So sorry for the poor girl.
I listen to Dr. grande while I’m driving because I don’t have to look at the video to see or hear what he was saying. However when he said “I could be sleeping right now” I actually looked down at the video and said wait- what ?!?! 😳🤣😳🤣
I have intermittently sleep walked as did my mother. But she tried at age 12 or so to jump out a second story window, my grandma caught her by her nightgown. Weirdest thing I ever did was sleep drive. Only discovered it because in 2001 I bought a brand new car and a few days later even though I’d only driven it 5 miles the odometer said 20+. It stopped in a week after a couple more incidents of excess miles.
HAPPY NEW YEAR! I had a couple amazing sleepwalking adventures when I was a kid. No murders, though, as far as I know. Did leave the house and go for neighborhood walks, though, apparently.
Good grief! That's what I'm always afraid of. Luckily you obviously were not harmed. Living in a city, I'm always scared I might walk around on the street and get hit by a car. I once opened the door (while awake) to find the neighbour in her pyjamas and barefoot standing outside, she had been walking around in the streets in her sleep. Scary! And when I lived very close to a large river I put a bell at my bedroom door. 😆
There is a lot of sleepwalking problems in my family. Sleep disorders are very bad in my genes. I used to, and sometimes still have full on conversations in my sleep. I would even speak in multiple languages (German, Spanish, English) 😂! I suffer from insomnia that can be quite severe sometimes and so there was a time when I tried prescribed sleeping meds. BAD idea!! I drove to school before it started, in the snow, in the dark and in my pajamas, asleep! My sister still struggles with it very severely. She does scary things and has to lock herself in her room at night. Her husband is, gratefully, very patient with her. One night she had her legs around her neck and was trying to pull his head off literally as hard as she could! He finally got her awake and she was in totally shock and was so upset she cried and cried. It still upsets her when it's brought up. One of my brothers had very bad night terrors. He was so very scary whenever he had them! Remaining calm was the key to handling them. Do not wake up someone having a night terror, it can be dangerous for them. Don't wake up someone sleep walking because it can be very traumatic for them as well. My brother has done very dangerous things while sleepwalking since being an adult, with 6 children (7th on her way), and happily married. He has very bad PTSD from the army and can't get the VA to cover the therapy he needs for it, so that's a bad combo with his tendency to have violent sleepwalking episodes. Another time when I was a teen I suddenly woke up late at night/early morning, it was snowing (several inches on the ground already), and very quiet. I felt an urge to look outside onto the street. Walking down the middle of the street, barefooted, in PJs and no coat, was pre-teen family friend! He'd already walked 3 1/2 blocks without shoes on, in the snow and on the freezing road! I got my parents up and they got him and his parents. They took him to the hospital to be sure there was no frostbite. I don't remember if there was or not, I just can't forget the haunting appearance of a kid walking down the middle of the road in the middle of the night and in a snowstorm, barefooted, and that somehow I was awoken when he reached our street and I felt urged to go upstairs and look out our front windows just in time to see him passing right in front of our house! Crazy times I tell ya.
@@jguenther3049 I think you're most likely right. I also have the Gift of the Holy Ghost that has made miracles happen countless times. I think it's a combination of all three.
Good Morning Dr. G. Agree that “sleepwalking is a very unlikely explanation for murder.” (New terminology - parasomnia). Your conclusion was profoundly definite. Thank you for a clear assessment of this gruesome case.
One of the things that I find odd is why defence lawyers do not strongly discourage the plea of insanity when it does not meet any of the criteria for insanity. If anything I would think a jury would be even more inclined to find guilty as the defendant is not taking any ownership. And all that aside - the reality of being found insane does not get you out. You go to a secure mental health facility within the Corrections system and the environment is extremely unpleasant. Not a get out of jail free card by any means.
I often wonder how many defense attorneys do tell clients they have to actually be crazy or be very dedicated to playing. Crazy for the rest of their lives lol
I was Juror #14 on a murder case where the defense attorney tried to float a "Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" diminished capacity defense. The prosecutor and his PhD expert witness tore the defense to confetti. It was so bad, I wondered why he didn't try for a new trial based on incompetent representation.
Clever but also careful. I rarely ( if ever) feel that the comedy is not in good taste. The really sad or horrific cases are treated with great respect.
Great analysis, especially your speculation regarding why he may have murdered her. I am glad he was locked up forever. He lost the privilege to walk freely among us.
I've seen Dr Grande on FB before and LOVE his analyses. I've now subscribed to his channel. Didnt realise this is a case I've heard before till the nude in the closet bit. The guy wasn't sleep walking. He knew what he was doing. Love your work Dr Grande.
_"I might be asleep right now."_ This caused me not only to Llol (Literally lol), but I also almost choked on an apple. The faint smile caught me off guard.
Thank you for slamming Dead Asleep. I am a true crime buff, my parents put it on thinking I’d like it, but my stomach turned almost immediately. Seeing the scratch marks on his body I knew he had to be guilty, no way anyone could sleep through someone fighting for their life. I had to leave the room to keep from arguing with the TV, and my dad filled me in later affirming my instincts were correct. I don’t know why make a documentary when his defense was so flimsy, and the evidence was so damning - it’s not even a good story 🤷🏼♀️ and major ick to all the “but he doesnt look like a killer” rhetoric 🙄 cowards who get the jump on the victim (or those under the influence, which I suspect he was) don’t need bulky muscles to commit such violence, and every true crime buff knows killers don’t have a physical “type”
His defense really went down a rabbit hole. I think the jury would have more quickly bought that it was voluntary manslaughter and not 1st degree murder. They could have argued that he was very drunk and they were fighting because he made a move on her, and in his drunken hurt, he murdered her in the heat of passion. Yes, he would do SOME time, but not life.
So if he did commit a murder while sleepwalking, wouldn't that still be guilty of committing the murder? and maybe put him in a psych facility or something rather than prison? Like an insanity defense?
In an insanity defense, if successful, it is "not guilty of murder by reason of insanity". Therefore, by defacto, he would be considered not guilty had the sleepwalking scenario worked in court, but he still would have been committed to a psychiatric facility.
I remember a case like this in Canada. I believe the Guy wasn't charged. Several cases have occurred in the US but none went without punishment. Don't let Drinking etc, impair reality. This young lady was in a relationship. This Guy should have looked elsewhere. Instead of assuming and other ridiculous thinking.
I thought about that case as well. In Toronto, Canada, Kenneth Parks drove 15 miles; killed his mother-in-law and attempted to kill his father-in-law. He was charged but acquitted of his mother-in-law’s murder after the jury deliberated 9 hrs. I believe the attempted murder of his father-in-law was later dismissed. As for the U.S., there was a 2010 case in Durham, NC where a man named Joseph Anthony Mitchell suffocated his 4-year-old son and attempted to kill his two other children. He used the sleepwalking defense and was acquitted in 2015.
@@joincoffee9383 Right you are! One of the reasons for prison is to take a dangerous person out of circulation. If they are a proven killer, awake or asleep, put them away.
@@joincoffee9383 I don't think it's quite so cut and dry. It depends on the situation and the likelihood they're going to pose a danger in the future..
Thanks Dr Grande! It's really interesting what you say: if she had lived, there would be absolutely no question in anyone's mind about his guilt and the sleep walking defence would never have stood. I feel this is the same when perpetrators who murder are described as "loners" having "histories of depression" etc; when the victim is able to have a voice, it's harder to build a narrative of sympathy around violent perpetrators.
"If she had lived . . ." is a contrafactual conditional, and has no standing in logic. Everything following it can be taken as either true OR false. It's a lot like Schroedinger's cat.
Happy New Year Dr. Grande! Thank you for all your Daily Informative Content filled with Facts and Moments of Dry Humor. Stay Safe, Healthy and Happy. Best Channel for Real!
Love your analysis, Dr. Grande. This is a rare case, however, that I do not agree with the analysis in its entirety. Sleepwalking, definitely not. I have worked with alcoholics for decades, and I had a thought. Alcoholics who are chronic and using huge amounts of substance have alcoholic blackouts. They are neurological in nature and the memory of what the person does is permanently impaired during a blackout. They appear to be awake and in awareness, but they are not. I worked with a person in a prison who was there for murder. He did it, for sure. He did not have memory of the actual incident, only before and after. He believed he did it because he remembered the location, went into this altered blackout state, and then, as he described, "woke up" to realize he had done something very bad. Another case. A young woman who I helped killed someone in a vehicular manslaughter case. She, also did not remember the actual accident itself, but knew after when authorities found her, she had been driving, she did not pass out, she "woke up" after the incident and knew she had caused the accident. She went to jail, and she did not deny the action based on all the evidence leading up to the accident, and then the obvious result. Another case. A man was driving and was going somewhere where he knew. He "woke up" while driving and was about to run over a family member. He had no memory of how he got there, just that he was driving and then after the near death of the family member, he said he couldn't remember how or why he almost ran over the family member. He had not passed out and was mystified why he would want to run over his closest brother. One final case. A man "woke up" to driving around a parking lot in another town he did not remember going to for any logical, rational reason. He "woke up" driving in the parking lot wondering where he was and how he got there. All these chronic, high alcohol consumers for many years developed these blackouts where they were able to drive, walk, talk and take a bus. They weren't stumbling around, passing out, sleeping, hallucinating or planning anything. Their brain, due to the extended, profound, excessive use of the substance alcohol, went into altered neurological states. A number of chronic alcohol users have experienced and documented this phenomenon while others never experience it ever in their chronic alcohol use history. It is NOT sleepwalking. It is not dreaming. After, they were told what happened, they did not deny these incidents because it was proven clearly what they did. They believed those who reported this to them. They simply couldn't remember anything about the incident, and never regained any memory of it even years later. These people accepted responsibility for their tragic actions or mystifying experiences. They experienced a permanent loss of memory. Maybe, this man, while certainly guilty, had a similar occurence with an alcoholic blackout. I think it's worth considering. It doesn't mitigate responsibility or reduce sentencing for the crime but could explain no memory of the event.
Yes I thought the same thing. Blackout. When you are functioning in what appears to be an awake state but later absolutely no memory of the event as others relate it to you. I have not drank any alcohol for 30 years due to my experience with this. Terrifying.
I do agree with the fact some people have been shown to have this issue. But, as you stated, this is after years of heavy, chronic use. Not a person using heavily for three months and then being sober for two weeks. Unfortunately for him, it seems that jealousy, sexual desire and rage were the main contributing factors in this case.
Anyone who drinks to the point of having a blackout, is totally responsible for their actions even if they can't remember them. An alcohol-impaired person is usually a danger to themselves and others, especially if they get behind the wheel of a car.
I agree with you, Dr. Grande. He was guilty and grasping at some sort of defence. He was easily addicted to substances as was his father with drink. Have a Happy New Year to All.
All guilty people with no defense claim they were sleepwalking. Randy Herman claims he was sleepwalking, therefore he has no defense and is guilty. All fire trucks are red. My Ford is red. Therefore, my Ford is a fire truck.
Thanks for posting a most interesting case. I have so missed you Dr. Grande. I have been so busy with my son. He is the 24 year old who sustained a TBI On Aug. 5th 2021. I am looking forward to watching ALL the content I have missed. Happy New Year Dr. Grande!!!
Thank you Dr. I needed something that would help me get a good night's sleep and your monotone voice and examination of the general populace of millennials and Gen Z is better than reading the Oxford Dictionary or counting sheep. Thank you again.
Dr. Grande Happy New Year !!! Your channel is sooo good , always in - depth, you're always on point , true crime and the macabre are so addicting to watch . - JP from Rye, New York
There was a case in the 80s that also involved a sleepwalking murder that I recall being profiled on the old news show 20/20 . The segment was called "Dream Murder". The thing is I thought complex actions are possible in a sleepwalking state.
I just watched "Dead Asleep" this past week..I've been kind of undecided on whether sleepwalkers can kill..thanks for making the facts a bit clearer to me..."I might be asleep right now"..good one Doc!
I sleepwalk a lot. The worst thing I've done is locking myself out of my apartment on the third floor (naked) and woke up on the streets. I've often woken up standing in my children rooms "looking" at them. I've been afraid of getting hurt while sleepwalking like being sexual abused, run over by a car just to name a few.When I was a child I washed my feet in the toilet and slept in the bathtub.
I watched the documentary and I agree. The whole point was to make it seem like Randy really did sleep walk. It was clear he killed her because he couldn't have her. I was waiting for the twist, and the twist was that he just did it.
Doctor Grandy you crack me up when you said; "I might be asleep right now" 🤣😉👍. Your thorough examination was interesting and I drifted off into an altered state experiencing a "fireside chat". All this imparts new meaning to "I'll see you in my dreams". Lastly, can you imagine what his cell mate in jail will be thinking after he tells them that "I'm innocent, but they say I killed her in my sleep while I was sleepwalking"!!
When my oldest boy was very young, he would often sleepwalk, without murdering us.
My siblings tell me that as a kid, I would sleepwalk periodically. Never killed anyone - not even once 👍🏻
I too would sleep walk as a child. Yet my whole family remains alive.
@@janedoe7229 mine too
Lol
Lol my uncle used to sleepwalk. I remember he once tried to carry a tv out of the apartment. He did bizarre things but you know without trying to kill anyone.
My old coworker was good friends with this poor girl. When the incident first took place, the news labeled it as a jealous lover type murder or unrequited love. They were never together and she never gave any indication that she had any feelings toward him other than platonic. Such an awful thing that happened to what I’ve heard was a wonderful person.
WOOOOOW...😯😯🙆♀️ THANKS for setting the record straight.
@@0megaVonNo need to be rude
Sad
She probably didn’t have feelings for him but I believe he did and being on cocaine made him aggressive and psychotic
17:01 “killing somebody with a knife is a lot of work”
Tell me about it Dr. Grande, best exercise I had in years.
"He worked at a beef processing plant, he felt as though it was a dead end job" The poor cows no doubt agreed.
My thoughts exactly!! 💔
I do believe Dr Grande intended this pun.
And totally agree. I cannot grieve enough for the way animals are treated on this planet
@@tb-dv1zc lmao 🤣 you grieve over cows?
@@chazzbranigaan9354 You don't?
@@aranmyracle7369 no
It always baffles me why people kill because that person doesn’t love them. Why would you wanna be someone who doesn’t love you? It’s really sad and frustrating.
Great analysis Dr Grande!!
They don't want to be with someone who does not love them; they want to be with that someone - and that they love them.
I think he is a disturbed individual and he was unable to deal with rejection.
He made her part of him forever in his mind. Sad, pathetic.
@mike christian Chum, you need to calm down and retract your judgement of this person about whom you know nothing at all. You have disclosed several things about yourself in your rant that shed light on your motivations but have zero reflection upon the author if the thread. I feel sorry for you, but will now move on.
You are talking from the point of view of a level headed, self composed, sane person with little to no untreated life ruining mental health burdens on them. Some people and animals are unable to cope with rejection to the point they just let aggression to take over.
*Textbook case of “If I can’t have you, then NOBODY CAN” fatalistic psychotic thinking!*
That don't make any sense cuz why would anybody want some woman hanging around.
I got a dozen I'll give him if you need one that bad.
I agree with you. The statement I made about shamefulness was directed at someone else who may have deleted their pitiful comment.
@@chieflordbossking4707 you might be a good looking dude with a lot of swag or charisma…. There are some dudes that can’t get ANY WOMEN no matter how hard they try… They are called INCELS. THOSE DUDES make it to 30 yrs old with no sex at all. 😩
@@Mr.Chris.P.Bacon1 I forgot I hit send on this comment?
I don't have charisma and I'm not charming. But what I do I treat my bithces like an ATM card, I'll take the ugliest bithh in Oakland over a one. I don't have no time for beginners. Mac dre happens to be playing.
Yes, Mr. 432, that's the point: it's psychotic. Nothing could be gained by killing her.
Viewing alcohol intoxication as a badge of honour is such a sad reflection on this dismal lifestyle.
It's not surprising though. Even my county can't release a community packet that doesn't include local-college improvements beside alcohol ads, with those being beside places for 14yo to shop & hang out. It's a weird culture we've got.
I feel like this part of his analysis was really inaccurate -- people make shirts to commemorate loved ones that have died and then they "sell them" for donations for the family for medical and funeral costs. Especially young people who have passed. I don't think him having the shirt was a "badge of honor" thing like Dr. Grande said, it was probably from a benefit the family put on or something.
@@andreakevresian1429 Dr. Grande has had other questionable takes on substance use in the past, as well. That rubbed me the wrong way, too.
Cheer up love
@@andreakevresian1429 Quite right. Much more likely explanation than 'alcohol as a badge of honour'.
As a sleepwalker since childhood, I know I do and say weird things when I'm asleep (NO recreational drugs or alcohol). However, I'm not THAT hard to wake up and there is NO WAY that I could remain asleep through the commission of a violent crime. I find these stories incredible.
Committing an act of violence is very rare.
I sleepwalk. I have only remembered it once. I tripped over something, and hit the tall metal closet door, and I yelled something, and I heard my wife say “stop it, you’re scaring me.” But, I don’t remember getting back in bed.
Everyone is different and your experiences as a sleepwalker are obviously very valid but not everyone experiences it the same way...For instance, Im guessing you have never walked off a building while sleepwalking either but others have. You have never hurt or killed anyone during sleepwalking but he may have.
@@pja3757 Thanks, Doctor!!
The tragedy of this is that things could have turned out so different for Randy. He was going to college. He was working in law enforcement in a jail. This could have been the start of a rewarding career. He had medical insurance through his job. When he retired he would have had a decent pension. It is mind boggling that he threw all that away.
I also really liked that the Jury really took the case seriously.
Really? I dont think they did :(
DR. GRANDE is so amazing he only diagnoses people, and does not speculate situations, all the while sleepwalking...
What a Clinical Gangsta!
I’m totally baffled as to why she even returned to house after all his bizarre and creepy behavior the night before !!
I was thinking that too. I wouldn’t have gone back for a gift, I would have told him to mail it or keep it. He probably made that part up and we’ll never know what he really said to get her to come back.
She thought he was just intoxicated and she was leaving in a day. He had never raised his voice and she never suspected violence. It isn't fair to blame the victim. She thought he was a misguided guy. Unfortunately, he was more than just misguided.
They where roomates
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Of course not the victims fault. I'm just saying....me personally....if I'm in the process of vacating my apartment, and on my last night there a roommate (whom I'm not attracted to) appears in my closet naked, I'm probably not gonna bother returning once I'm finally out.
@@mitch-lifestyle fair. I think she likely explained it away figuring she was there a short time.
I'm asleep right now, while I'm typing this comment. 😴
I agree, Dr.Grande. He didn't kill her while he was sleepwalking. You can sleepwalk, talk, and do a lot of other things while asleep,, when you have serious sleep disorders. What he did, the fact that she fought back, no way you'd stay asleep through all of that. 🧐
Interesting video, Dr.Grande.
I will be back to comment on it, when I wake up. ⏰ Thanks, Dr.Grande! Shhhh. 🤫🥱
Okay this was a very hilarious response!! 😂😂
Right?! Plus the point about there in no WAY being enough time for him to get into slow-wave nREM state sleep (which is when sleep walking happens) is very relevant. Not plausible at all.
"I'll be back to comment on this when I wake up." Had me dying laughing over here 😆😂🤣💀👻 Thanks my friend, I needed that. 👍👍👍
@@LisaPFrampton💯 AGREED 👍👍👍
Well i have heard of skeletons in the closet, but naked intoxicated young males seem a bit excessive. Nice analysis Grande.
The closet is such an extra invasive space in your home to violate.. As a women I feel like it’s basically the house version of “inside my purse”. It’s just for you, and having someone insert their naked body amongst all your personal items would be horrifying. Tragically, this wasn’t the worst of it, but this was an alarming warning to get out of the house and run away from this naked person.
@@ParodyWhitney Yeah, it was taking "coming out of the closet" to a whole new level.
@Iris-Angela Jones Oh my gosh, girl. I’m so happy for you that he’s an Ex now!! You’ve got my curiosity piqued though, what WAS he doing in your closet? Was he trying on your clothes or something?
Oh i am gonna hold the laughing emoji. But that's a funny way you put it Nick
the key word here is "intoxicated" - nothing rational, reasonable, emotional, playful-erotic to derive from there
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My husband was diagnosed with idiopathic REM sleep disorder he had it as long as we’ve been married so I can rightfully guess he has had it most of his life.
He does not use drugs or alcohol when he get active during a dream he gets out of bed punching and screaming and no we don’t sleep together I received a few bruises and a black eyeblack eye before I made the decision to have my own bed. He is on medication now it has helped but not totally stopped the dreams.
I have violent sleepwalking episodes. I once kicked the window out next to my bed and cut my legs, but never have I tried to cover up any of my sleep shenanigans.
You know I wonder if men tend to be violent when sleeping verus women my you know the testosterone! I have slept walked with Ambien but just simply do crazy things and walk around the city! But men? Might be a reasonable doubt? Only himself and God really know!
I'm sorry you struggle with this degree of sleepwalking difficulty. It is not fun and very disorienting. The type of sleep walking violence you experience is SO MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE than this murder defence. Kicking out a window requires not much complexity...just kick the thing repeatedly in a motion that is fairly straightforward. Even riding a bicycle is not that complex if you do it often. I can see punching someone unconscious while sleepwalking: horrendous, but not murder. It's just way too difficult to murder someone with a knife and it is in no way a routine action.
Perhaps people don't want to dismiss the notion of murdering someone whilst sleeping because there is a deep seated fear that any of us might wake up to find we've done something terrible. In reality the worst thing we're likely to do while truly sleep walking is raid the fridge and leave the door open. No way did this guy remain sleeping while a terrified woman fought for her life.
Lol, i bashed my face into the fridge door! Must have thought it was an opening i could maneuver in my sleep state. Needless to say i woke up immediately and had a sore nose for days.
Ps - i was also eating a werthers when i 'came to'.
I've slept walked a half dozen times over the years I actually remember. My parents tell me I did as a kid as well, i'm in my 40's now. Once as a young adult i tried to climb out my window naked, woke up when my foot touched the cold ground. Another time i tried for some reason to put a big bird cage in bed with my girlfriend. Woke up balancing this 4 ft tall cage on the edge of the bed. Another time i walked into my Dads bedroom naked thinking I was going to the bedroom. No idea why I was always naked. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I wake up, easily as soon as anyone speaks to me. I still occasionally (like once a yr or so) wake up on the couch after going to sleep in the bedroom. Its extremely creepy, like being black out drunk without all the good times pissing off everyone around you. Regardless, even I dont believe the sleep walking defense.
Oh dear, the bird cage 😂 It's weird what kinds of stupid things one does while sleepwalking. During a particularly stressful time of my life I woke up 5 or 6 times in one night standing in the middle of my bedroom. Each time I thought "oh shit, come on, stop that!". The last time that night I was caressing the leaves of a potted plant. 😳 And yes, it is scary. As if someone else takes over your body and is messing with it (not that I believe in such things, it's just for description). 😨
@@murphychurch8251 that ending is a terrifying thought lol someone pupper style controlling the person.
@@murphychurch8251 Carl Jung said: "In each of us there is an ʘther whom we do not know. He speaks to us in dreams and tells us how differently he sees us from the way we see ourselves."
This was premeditated. I have no doubt. He was just trying for a lighter sentence. I think he DID feel remorse after, but it was clearly premeditated.
My sister sleepwalking and I think it stems from anxiety. She has got the phone book out to call 911, she has tried waking me up telling me someone's at my car (no one was there), the night after our oldest sisters funeral, we were staying at a hotel and she was frantically looking for something on the bed and telling me to get up because somethings wrong, and the scariest one was when again, we were at a hotel and she started patting down her husband, looking for his gun to protect her son from the 'hoodlums' we ran into earlier at the hotel. It scares the living hell out of me when she does that kind of stuff. She never remembers either.
She needs help with her paranoia :(
I think him being naked in her closet was his first attempt but he knew her friend was waiting for her and could potentially stop it.
his friend was in the house before he got naked. i think the closet incident is so weird but not a murder attempt. idk what that was though
that little game wasn't intended for the third person, that is for sure, any other interpretation doesn't count
@@emilybraverman4299 clumsy attempt at seduction?
@@emilybraverman4299"the naked man" normally performed in bed under the sheets.
@@kissarococo2459 I never thought of it that way but I bet youre right because I just dont think he was a sexual deviant like that lol
Awhile ago, a roomate of mine, had a brother who was troublesome when he sleepwalked. He told us a few crazy stories but then said that he was cool when he invited him over to sleep over. I woke up to this dude straight up walking around the house knocking things over and being all crazy like Frankenstein or something. I'm sure there must have been some type of substance involved.
He was high on life👍
I do absolutely insane things sleeping walking... no substances required.. although that does make it much worse 😁
Sounds like Xanax
Sounds like a tweeker. After a few days of drugs and no sleep they get into weird fugue states of half-sleep and act like they're in their own world.
My ex-husband used to sleepwalk. Sometimes he would just get up and take a shower for hours, but sometimes he would jump out of bed fighting an invisible enemy to death. He would even yell "I'll kill you!" and stuff like that.
It was pretty scary.
Later I found out he was on cocaine most of the time, which explains a lot.
Now I'm happily divorced!
I watched this documentary....we would have fallen for the sleep story if it had been more then 5 minutes that he claims he was so far in a deep sleep that he killed her and has no memory....smh. the neighbors ring camera caught everything in real time.....he was good as guilty
Thanks for analyzing this. I tend to indulge chocolate late at night. I think I’m going to blame it on sleepwalking and see if my husband buys it. 😂
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I woke up eating candy once. 👀
Did you know there are actual cases of “sleep eating”? These people eat when they’re sleep walking, then return to bed and have no memory the next morning. I saw a special about sleep walking, as I recall a woman didn’t believe she was eating in her sleep. So her husband put a camera in the kitchen and recorded the activity. His wife would get up in the middle of the night, walk into the kitchen, open the refrigerator and start eating the food she found. She would actually eat mayonnaise out of the jar!
@@katarina1852I knew people did this while on Ambien, but not just sleepwalking alone. Ambien makes people sleep-eat, sleep-shop (online purchases), sleep-cook (when my mom took it she would take out pots and pans and flour and in the morning have no idea why they were there lol). But yeah that is interesting and weird!
I indulge in chocolate late at night too sometimes... I would also like to blame this activity on "sleep-eating" so I cannot be held responsible 😂
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"I'm asleep right now" too! No no no I'm not Dr. Grande. Your videos always keep me WIDE 😳 awake and interested in your spot on analysis of these weird cases.
I had sleepwalking episodes whilst on a military deployment. It used to really worry my colleagues and also caused concern to the point where conversations were being had of me being sent home. Very strange circumstance to be involved in. It hadn't happened to me since I was very young and not since. I'd love to here about situations like that, that have been investigated by the psychology community.
Ahhh!!! Finally!!! We figured out how you are able to put out sooo many videos!!! You're asleep half the time!
Dr. grande why are you such a savage. U always come up with some slayer jokes in such a monotone voice. Which makes it even more funny in my opinion. 😅 love your video g!!!
“I might be asleep right now.“ Is probably my all-time favourite Dr. Grande burn
I have parasomnia and it runs in my family, as well. When my dad was growing up there were reports of a ghost wandering the country roads where they lived. Turned out it was his sister. She would take her sheet with her when she went out roaming. One time they found her miles away curled up in a ball in the middle of the road, sleeping. One time when I was asleep, I unraveled an entire afghan that I was in the process of crocheting. My husband said he watched me do it, tried to talk me out of it and then just let me be. (And there are many other times that I've done things while sleeping that I don't remember the next day.) So, I do believe you can do weird things while sleeping. However, the fact she found him naked in her closet the day before, definitely makes me think that was his first attempt and that this was intentional, done while he was definitely awake. Drunk probably, but awake. It's just too bad she wasn't weirded out enough by that to make sure she didn't go back there alone. :-(
Just curious, was the tee shirt ever found? Did a tee shirt even exist or did he use that as a ploy to get her to return to the house?
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My ex husband attacked me in his sleep a couple times. I woke up to him on top of me and trying to strangle me. Both times he woke up immediately (the first time as soon as I screamed and the second time as soon as I moved him off of me) and he was very apologetic. He remembered the nightmares he was having during the episodes, and they roughly matched what he was doing irl.
Is he going to any therapy? This seems extremely unsafe.
I'm sure it can happen but this guy's claim of a sleepwalking is total obvious B.S. But as Dr Grande pointed out, it was really the only type of defense he could make.
@@reedriter yes definitely. An actual irl example of a sleep attack highlights how outlandish the criminal's claims were. Because just like Dr Grande said, the complexity of what he did adds doubt. Clumsily strangling and being woken with a scream or push is very different than how the criminal's events were portrayed.
@@bethanychatman9531 he did see a Dr and they decided it was probably a combination of stress and the medications he was on. He made some changes and it stopped for the most part. But he was really apologetic about it, I felt bad for him.
I'm glad he's your ex. And I hope he's in jail for assault.
I feel like there’d have to be absolutely no motive for murder, for a sleepwalking defense to seem in any way remotely plausible.
There is a guy in prison with NO motive what so ever who killed his wide while sleep walking.
@@brandiguarino1778 what’s his name?
@@theovolz3073 Scott Falater.
@@brandiguarino1778 wow, that looks like an interesting case.
Ambien sleeping pills as well as many different anti-depressant drugs have homicide and suicidal thoughts as a side effect, but we don’t hold pharma responsible so if those drugs play any role in a murder we always just put full responsibility on the individual, and don’t question what roll drugs might play.
Really interesting analysis, particularly the part about how it is possible that sympathy can (though ultimately it did not in this case) work against justice.
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Im here super early! Thanks for all your videos and hard work this year 🤗🤗🤗
Wow, thanks for the intricate analysis of this awful murder. You always have so many details that are never in the news or docs. Thanks for being an excellent detective. So sorry for the poor girl.
I listen to Dr. grande while I’m driving because I don’t have to look at the video to see or hear what he was saying. However when he said “I could be sleeping right now” I actually looked down at the video and said wait- what ?!?! 😳🤣😳🤣
I have intermittently sleep walked as did my mother. But she tried at age 12 or so to jump out a second story window, my grandma caught her by her nightgown. Weirdest thing I ever did was sleep drive. Only discovered it because in 2001 I bought a brand new car and a few days later even though I’d only driven it 5 miles the odometer said 20+. It stopped in a week after a couple more incidents of excess miles.
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Your delivery is great.... So calm, factual and then slide in dark comedy or alliteration🤣 love it
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Here's some interesting dialogue: read me a bedtime story 😊 I find your voice so soothing. Happy New Year Doc! 🎉
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
I had a couple amazing sleepwalking adventures when I was a kid. No murders, though, as far as I know. Did leave the house and go for neighborhood walks, though, apparently.
Good grief! That's what I'm always afraid of. Luckily you obviously were not harmed. Living in a city, I'm always scared I might walk around on the street and get hit by a car. I once opened the door (while awake) to find the neighbour in her pyjamas and barefoot standing outside, she had been walking around in the streets in her sleep. Scary! And when I lived very close to a large river I put a bell at my bedroom door. 😆
There is a lot of sleepwalking problems in my family. Sleep disorders are very bad in my genes.
I used to, and sometimes still have full on conversations in my sleep. I would even speak in multiple languages (German, Spanish, English) 😂!
I suffer from insomnia that can be quite severe sometimes and so there was a time when I tried prescribed sleeping meds. BAD idea!!
I drove to school before it started, in the snow, in the dark and in my pajamas, asleep!
My sister still struggles with it very severely. She does scary things and has to lock herself in her room at night. Her husband is, gratefully, very patient with her.
One night she had her legs around her neck and was trying to pull his head off literally as hard as she could!
He finally got her awake and she was in totally shock and was so upset she cried and cried. It still upsets her when it's brought up.
One of my brothers had very bad night terrors. He was so very scary whenever he had them!
Remaining calm was the key to handling them.
Do not wake up someone having a night terror, it can be dangerous for them.
Don't wake up someone sleep walking because it can be very traumatic for them as well.
My brother has done very dangerous things while sleepwalking since being an adult, with 6 children (7th on her way), and happily married.
He has very bad PTSD from the army and can't get the VA to cover the therapy he needs for it, so that's a bad combo with his tendency to have violent sleepwalking episodes.
Another time when I was a teen I suddenly woke up late at night/early morning, it was snowing (several inches on the ground already), and very quiet.
I felt an urge to look outside onto the street.
Walking down the middle of the street, barefooted, in PJs and no coat, was pre-teen family friend!
He'd already walked 3 1/2 blocks without shoes on, in the snow and on the freezing road!
I got my parents up and they got him and his parents.
They took him to the hospital to be sure there was no frostbite.
I don't remember if there was or not, I just can't forget the haunting appearance of a kid walking down the middle of the road in the middle of the night and in a snowstorm, barefooted, and that somehow I was awoken when he reached our street and I felt urged to go upstairs and look out our front windows just in time to see him passing right in front of our house!
Crazy times I tell ya.
@@LisaPFrampton I suspect children have a "radar" that protects other children. Or maybe it's angels nudging you.
@@jguenther3049 I think you're most likely right. I also have the Gift of the Holy Ghost that has made miracles happen countless times.
I think it's a combination of all three.
@@LisaPFrampton Maybe so.
Good Morning Dr. G. Agree that “sleepwalking is a very unlikely explanation for murder.” (New terminology - parasomnia). Your conclusion was profoundly definite. Thank you for a clear assessment of this gruesome case.
One of the things that I find odd is why defence lawyers do not strongly discourage the plea of insanity when it does not meet any of the criteria for insanity. If anything I would think a jury would be even more inclined to find guilty as the defendant is not taking any ownership. And all that aside - the reality of being found insane does not get you out. You go to a secure mental health facility within the Corrections system and the environment is extremely unpleasant. Not a get out of jail free card by any means.
I often wonder how many defense attorneys do tell clients they have to actually be crazy or be very dedicated to playing. Crazy for the rest of their lives lol
did he have a better defense?
I was Juror #14 on a murder case where the defense attorney tried to float a "Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" diminished capacity defense. The prosecutor and his PhD expert witness tore the defense to confetti. It was so bad, I wondered why he didn't try for a new trial based on incompetent representation.
A plea deal is taken before a case goes to trial.
@@realascanb222 Plea deals involve a guilty or no contest plea. These are not related to pleading insanity and thus are not relevant here.
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Dr Grande, you have such a soothing voice. I enjoy this type of content but you make it so easy to listen to. Great job
As always I appreciate your analysis, and the clever one liners.
Clever but also careful. I rarely ( if ever) feel that the comedy is not in good taste. The really sad or horrific cases are treated with great respect.
Just watching one of your videos from two years back… while it was good, your storytelling skills are light years ahead of that now. Just fantastic
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Great analysis, especially your speculation regarding why he may have murdered her. I am glad he was locked up forever. He lost the privilege to walk freely among us.
I've seen Dr Grande on FB before and LOVE his analyses. I've now subscribed to his channel. Didnt realise this is a case I've heard before till the nude in the closet bit.
The guy wasn't sleep walking. He knew what he was doing. Love your work Dr Grande.
_"I might be asleep right now."_
This caused me not only to Llol (Literally lol), but I also almost choked on an apple. The faint smile caught me off guard.
Thank you for slamming Dead Asleep. I am a true crime buff, my parents put it on thinking I’d like it, but my stomach turned almost immediately. Seeing the scratch marks on his body I knew he had to be guilty, no way anyone could sleep through someone fighting for their life. I had to leave the room to keep from arguing with the TV, and my dad filled me in later affirming my instincts were correct.
I don’t know why make a documentary when his defense was so flimsy, and the evidence was so damning - it’s not even a good story 🤷🏼♀️ and major ick to all the “but he doesnt look like a killer” rhetoric 🙄 cowards who get the jump on the victim (or those under the influence, which I suspect he was) don’t need bulky muscles to commit such violence, and every true crime buff knows killers don’t have a physical “type”
His defense really went down a rabbit hole. I think the jury would have more quickly bought that it was voluntary manslaughter and not 1st degree murder. They could have argued that he was very drunk and they were fighting because he made a move on her, and in his drunken hurt, he murdered her in the heat of passion. Yes, he would do SOME time, but not life.
LOl, Yes DR. Grande, I to was asleep through the whole video. lol. I'm Just kidding. That was great and I truly love your analysis on these topics.🙂
So if he did commit a murder while sleepwalking, wouldn't that still be guilty of committing the murder? and maybe put him in a psych facility or something rather than prison? Like an insanity defense?
In an insanity defense, if successful, it is "not guilty of murder by reason of insanity". Therefore, by defacto, he would be considered not guilty had the sleepwalking scenario worked in court, but he still would have been committed to a psychiatric facility.
I remember a case like this in Canada. I believe the Guy wasn't charged. Several cases have occurred in the US but none went without punishment.
Don't let Drinking etc, impair reality. This young lady was in a relationship.
This Guy should have looked elsewhere. Instead of assuming and other ridiculous thinking.
I thought about that case as well. In Toronto, Canada, Kenneth Parks drove 15 miles; killed his mother-in-law and attempted to kill his father-in-law. He was charged but acquitted of his mother-in-law’s murder after the jury deliberated 9 hrs. I believe the attempted murder of his father-in-law was later dismissed.
As for the U.S., there was a 2010 case in Durham, NC where a man named Joseph Anthony Mitchell suffocated his 4-year-old son and attempted to kill his two other children. He used the sleepwalking defense and was acquitted in 2015.
Yeah, this guy should’ve looked elsewhere for a romantic partner…
He also shouldn’t have brutally murdered someone.
even if it’s a sleep walking, they should still be sentenced to life. They killed people. Period.
@@joincoffee9383 Right you are! One of the reasons for prison is to take a dangerous person out of circulation. If they are a proven killer, awake or asleep, put them away.
@@joincoffee9383 I don't think it's quite so cut and dry. It depends on the situation and the likelihood they're going to pose a danger in the future..
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Hey Doc, just wanna thank you for everything this year. Your cactus game has only gotten better. Here's to the new year, with new stories. 🌵
-Michael
And how 'bout them butiful shirts!👕
@@bthomson of course the shirts! My bad lol
Thanks Dr Grande! It's really interesting what you say: if she had lived, there would be absolutely no question in anyone's mind about his guilt and the sleep walking defence would never have stood. I feel this is the same when perpetrators who murder are described as "loners" having "histories of depression" etc; when the victim is able to have a voice, it's harder to build a narrative of sympathy around violent perpetrators.
"If she had lived . . ." is a contrafactual conditional, and has no standing in logic. Everything following it can be taken as either true OR false. It's a lot like Schroedinger's cat.
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Wow, I found your analysis of this crazy case to be extremely interesting. Well done, dear doctor!
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This is, beside, Keith Raniere, one of your best analysis.
Thank you, Dr. Grande.
God this makes me feel like such a well adjusted guy, holy crap
Maybe anyone hearing this case feels just a bit more stable and civilized than before they heard it?
@@bthomson well i certainly hope so
"I might be asleep right now" Dr Grande you got me, I almost choked drinking my water. Good one.
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"It was one of the worst documentaries I've seen in recent times." Dr Grande being Dr Grande. Lmao...😅🤣😁😆
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Great analysis. Thanks Dr. G
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Love your analysis, Dr. Grande. This is a rare case, however, that I do not agree with the analysis in its entirety. Sleepwalking, definitely not. I have worked with alcoholics for decades, and I had a thought. Alcoholics who are chronic and using huge amounts of substance have alcoholic blackouts. They are neurological in nature and the memory of what the person does is permanently impaired during a blackout. They appear to be awake and in awareness, but they are not. I worked with a person in a prison who was there for murder. He did it, for sure. He did not have memory of the actual incident, only before and after. He believed he did it because he remembered the location, went into this altered blackout state, and then, as he described, "woke up" to realize he had done something very bad. Another case. A young woman who I helped killed someone in a vehicular manslaughter case. She, also did not remember the actual accident itself, but knew after when authorities found her, she had been driving, she did not pass out, she "woke up" after the incident and knew she had caused the accident. She went to jail, and she did not deny the action based on all the evidence leading up to the accident, and then the obvious result. Another case. A man was driving and was going somewhere where he knew. He "woke up" while driving and was about to run over a family member. He had no memory of how he got there, just that he was driving and then after the near death of the family member, he said he couldn't remember how or why he almost ran over the family member. He had not passed out and was mystified why he would want to run over his closest brother. One final case. A man "woke up" to driving around a parking lot in another town he did not remember going to for any logical, rational reason. He "woke up" driving in the parking lot wondering where he was and how he got there. All these chronic, high alcohol consumers for many years developed these blackouts where they were able to drive, walk, talk and take a bus. They weren't stumbling around, passing out, sleeping, hallucinating or planning anything. Their brain, due to the extended, profound, excessive use of the substance alcohol, went into altered neurological states. A number of chronic alcohol users have experienced and documented this phenomenon while others never experience it ever in their chronic alcohol use history. It is NOT sleepwalking. It is not dreaming. After, they were told what happened, they did not deny these incidents because it was proven clearly what they did. They believed those who reported this to them. They simply couldn't remember anything about the incident, and never regained any memory of it even years later. These people accepted responsibility for their tragic actions or mystifying experiences. They experienced a permanent loss of memory. Maybe, this man, while certainly guilty, had a similar occurence with an alcoholic blackout. I think it's worth considering. It doesn't mitigate responsibility or reduce sentencing for the crime but could explain no memory of the event.
I gave up drinking many years ago because I got tired of apologizing for doing and saying things of which I had no memory.
My ex was a blackout drinker, too. Luckily, he never drove anywhere or harmed anyone, but it was still really creepy.
Yes I thought the same thing. Blackout. When you are functioning in what appears to be an awake state but later absolutely no memory of the event as others relate it to you. I have not drank any alcohol for 30 years due to my experience with this. Terrifying.
I do agree with the fact some people have been shown to have this issue. But, as you stated, this is after years of heavy, chronic use. Not a person using heavily for three months and then being sober for two weeks. Unfortunately for him, it seems that jealousy, sexual desire and rage were the main contributing factors in this case.
Anyone who drinks to the point of having a blackout, is totally responsible for their actions even if they can't remember them. An alcohol-impaired person is usually a danger to themselves and others, especially if they get behind the wheel of a car.
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I think this analysis was 100% spot on
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I agree with you, Dr. Grande. He was guilty and grasping at some sort of defence. He was easily addicted to substances as was his father with drink. Have a Happy New Year to All.
All guilty people with no defense claim they were sleepwalking. Randy Herman claims he was sleepwalking, therefore he has no defense and is guilty.
All fire trucks are red. My Ford is red. Therefore, my Ford is a fire truck.
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I might be asleep while listening to you! Thank you Dr. Grande, very informative video.
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I once walked into the den and had a conversation with my brother. I was sleep walking and talking and have no memory of that night.
Excellent video as always. Can you do a video on Mary "Lee" Orsini?
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There was a case in the 80s that also involved a sleepwalking murder that I recall being profiled on the old news show 20/20 . The segment was called "Dream Murder". The thing is I thought complex actions are possible in a sleepwalking state.
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I just watched "Dead Asleep" this past week..I've been kind of undecided on whether sleepwalkers can kill..thanks for making the facts a bit clearer to me..."I might be asleep right now"..good one Doc!
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I sleepwalk a lot. The worst thing I've done is locking myself out of my apartment on the third floor (naked) and woke up on the streets. I've often woken up standing in my children rooms "looking" at them. I've been afraid of getting hurt while sleepwalking like being sexual abused, run over by a car just to name a few.When I was a child I washed my feet in the toilet and slept in the bathtub.
Great analysis Dr. Grande! :)
I watched the documentary and I agree. The whole point was to make it seem like Randy really did sleep walk. It was clear he killed her because he couldn't have her. I was waiting for the twist, and the twist was that he just did it.
Doctor Grandy you crack me up when you said; "I might be asleep right now" 🤣😉👍. Your thorough examination was interesting and I drifted off into an altered state experiencing a "fireside chat".
All this imparts new meaning to "I'll see you in my dreams".
Lastly, can you imagine what his cell mate in jail will be thinking after he tells them that "I'm innocent, but they say I killed her in my sleep while I was sleepwalking"!!