The Expanse 3x07 Delta-V | Reaction and Discussion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- The Galaxy picks up the pieces after the Protomecule creates a ring in space. Naomi faces Belter conflict. The Roci crew have a documentary team on board.
0:00 - Introduction
3:23 - Reaction
19:40 - Discussion - บันเทิง
"You can do better my guy".... "Thank you for your sacrifice". You cracked me up this time!
Title "Delta V" is meant to be read as "delta v" as in "Δv", what represents "change in velocity" in physics. Effect of what we see at Neo (Maneo). His ship goes from very high speed to almost zero. Ship was stopped by The Ring, but everything inside keeps its momentum (tends to keep going at same speed) - Newton's Law of Inertia (1st law).
It reminds me of the saying: "Falling doesn't kill you. It's the sudden stop at the end that does."
Maneo got a pretty brutal reminder of Newton's 1st and 2nd Laws of Motion here.
It's also a massive change of direction for the series itself
Delta v kinda has a double meaning here, the first is as you described. The other is that it is a term in rocket science to denote how "far" a rocket can go because how you get to places in space is all about changing your orbit and changing your orbit involves changing your velocity. Its just "far" is in quotes because there isn't a strict ratio between delta-v and miles traveled, because 1) speeds are different in different parts of orbits, and the planets move, so sometimes the orbits line up well, and sometimes they don't, requiring more fuel to get there. So saying a rocket has 10,000 m/s is kinda like saying a car with a full tank of gas has 400 miles.
It's just interesting because any players of KSP are probably more likely thinking of this version, so seeing a very different version of change of velocity at the end is quite a surprise! (it was for me anyways!)
SPLAT.
I think you're the first reactor I've seen noticing that Alex and Bobby were talking in realtime and that this means they must be close to each other. Good catch.
Secretary General aka "fucking bobblehead"
(I love Avasarala 😂)
3:53 Well spotted re the "halo". Fun fact: Avasarala's secret service codename is "Archangel." ;)
Good catch. Alex and Bobby were able to converse in real time because they are in close proximity. Bobby is aboard the MCRN Xuesen, which you can see glimpses of while they chat. The Xuesen is on its way to the ring as well. Nobody wants to be left out, so everybody, including Mars, is sending someone.
Re: choking/asphyxiation, it depends on the placement of their hand. If their airway is restricted, they can remain conscious for a while just as you could if you held your breath. However, if bloodflow to the brain is restricted, then they can pass out in just a few seconds. So for choking air it'd be the front of the throat as Ashford did, but a blood choke would be on the side where the carotid artery is. The easiest way to do a blood choke is from behind, a rear naked choke in Brazilian jiu jitsu.
A few seconds 5 to 20 for a sleeper hold. Possibly a lot longer for choke hold. Sleeper hold is meant to incapasate, while a choke is, usually, meant for more, but not always.
"You sure seem to know a lot about the way people die".
Great reaction as usual. This episode introduces us to some new characters and a new storyline or two.
I like your perspective on the Nauvoo.
Looking forward to your reactions to the coming stories.
See you next time.
16:49 That's why i love watching reactions, because i've never noticed that.
Hey Dude Wren , I like this show as it shoes technically of today yet in a year or two we will have thought control devices . Also I love the 4th wall as you look down the camera and look at your Audience that keeps me real . Know this you are a breath of fresh air and I thank you for that . I love your outrow you are a real youtuber and I like that thank you
Perhaps my favorite reaction to Maneo 😂😂
Thank you for your sacrifice
The new guy with the scar is Ashford. He is someone, as he admitted in this episode, who has often acted without civilised restraint. I got the feeling right from the start that he feels this way has failed Belters and he now wants something better and different for his people. He wants a social enlightenment of the Belter culture.
Maneo, the Belter slingshoter, demonstrated how rapid deceleration causes the human body to lose structural integrity which is current physics. It is related to the title of the episode, as Delta V is the maximum change in velocity that a rocket propelled device can achieve, which is a change that is not necessarily safe for the human occupants.
The spoiler was that Thomas Jane's name appeared in the opening credits.
Great reaction and insights. This is typically the point in the show where I find myself cautioning reactors that sometimes a blue light is just a blue light. 😀
Why? Being wrong about things is part of the adventure of a reaction; Particularly when you consider that all will be revealed in time.
@@Biomirth EXACTLY. This is horrible and an unnecessary warning. Folks really have to learn to let folks go through this adventure the SAME way they did....NOT KNOWING! It's one thing to go over things in the past that have no spoiling but warning Reactors is just such an unnecessary and almost egotistical (look at what I know and you don't) move. Even worse is I swear this is the SAME GUY who spoiled a major plot for a Reactor over on their Patreon in his need make sure everyone knows that he knows something they don't. The same something most of the viewers ALSO know making him nothing special.
@@Biomirth Thinking about it even more I'm positive this is the same guy from a different Reactor's Patreon's channel who felt the need to chime in on something that Reactor didn't know which spoiled that something. Not sure why he feels the need to be the one to warn Reactors when they're going down the wrong rabbit hole. Guess he can't process that he's ruining PART of the experience for these people. I'm just not sure how he's not able to process that it's OKAY to be wrong in this show in particular. It's also okay to keep one's mouth...SHUT!
@@EvilAnomaly My impression is that people usually say things like this with the best intentions, or at least maybe good intentions. They're trying to protect someone from making a mistake. Sure, there may be some 'oh I am an expert, let me chip in' ego as well, but it isn't always at least consciously just thoughtless. Anyways, glad I'm not the only one that tries to speak out against it. Sometimes the reaction is "Oh what? That's not a spoiler" so I try to be gentle even though I do actually find it quite irritating.
@@Biomirthcan agree with that assessment. Definitely interesting one with this particular person since he was called out by multiple people on a Patreon for doing the same thing.
Odd that he would continue to do it and even speak on how he basically always does with this particular scene (on the Patreon is was a different situation on the show).
Of note; Holden has never seen Miller wearing The Hat. Miller left the hat on Ceres before meeting up with the Rosi crew at The Blue Falcon on Eros 🤔
Great reaction and analysis!
So about Amos and the bread crumbs of his past. Monica the documentary girl said she checked into Baltimore and the only Amos Burton she could find o about was some kind of mob boss. But that couldn't be our Amos because he was like fifteen when he left Earth.
Looking forward to the next one!
Regarding the accent, I think it's more a conscious thing to speak like an inner when she's around inners. It's called code-switching: using less black slang around your white friends etc. I've also heard the term used to refer to when bilingual people switch languages mid-sentence
[Edit] Oh and the slingshotter, imagine a fast car suddenly coming to a stop and you feel yourself being pulled forward. That what happened to that guy multiplied by about a million
Speaking only for myself, code switching is so automatic and unconscious that I don't even notice it unless somebody else comments on it. If I'm doing it consciously then it's not "code switching", it's just speaking with a different accent.
24:43 I kinda took it as them trying to build that trust through intimacy. didn't work on Amos though.
32:06 that's the spoiler in the opening title, the actors name shows up, alluding to him showing up.
Shows what I know when I expected more of a reaction to the sling-shoter going splat than the appearance of Miller.
Poor Maneo! That's what sudden deceleration does to you. Gotta love those covers of some classic tunes in Belter Creole. Miwa Highway Star!
David Strathcairn as Ashford is iconic, and one of the rare cases of an adaption that greatly improves on the book original.
It's good to see Drummer making her own path, and Naomi reconnecting with her roots.
We're seeing the OPA making their first awkward steps into being a Government rather than an insurgency and political movement.
I think Monica and her cameraman both sense there's some juicy secrets to be had from Amos, and are trying to get them out if him through manipulation.
The Protomolecule is really good at taking things apart and using them as parts - it needed a pilot part, so it used Julie Mao.
No spoilers. Just information already provided in viewed episodes: It is extremely understated but the Protomolecule is far more expansive in it's nature than we are led to believe. Dresden said it would break all the rules of physics and that evidently includes time. We have been interpreting Julie's visions of Miller and Miller's visions of Julie as hallucinations, but there's way more concrete reality going on than simple visions. The most important clue --worth a re-watch, is from Season 2, episode 1 in the conversation Miller has with Naomi. He recounts to her the very conversation he will eventually have with Protomolecule Julie in Episode 4. That's way beyond hallucination.
Who is "we"?
@@MattNolanCustom"We" plural simply means more than one. I am one. I dare say our host being of the opinion that Miller/Julie appearances are simply "hallucinations" would count as another. Thus forming a plural. Thus earning the use of 'we'. "We" as a noun does not imply 'everyone.' "We woke up and went shopping." does not imply everyone in the universe woke up and went shopping.
I hope that clears things up for ya. "I" would not want to lead anyone astray.
@@Dendood I didn't get the impression from Wren that she shared your view, certainly not at the end of this episode. That's why I asked.
Warning: contains math. Disclaimer: I’ve not read the books; info there may contradict any or all of this. Others have commented on the meaning of delta V and about the inertia. I once got bored and did some really (really) rough calculations on what the belter experienced. The Voyager spacecraft, which basically slingshot through the solar system, are currently moving at about 16 km/sec, or about 30,000 mph. Let’s say the slingshot pilot was doing half that speed, that the ring slowed his ship my 90% (to 1500 mph), and that the total time taken to reduce the ship’s speed was 1 second (I think those numbers are generous; it looked like the deceleration time was less than that). Do the math, and you get 600G’s of force. At 600G’s, each ounce of blood was moving with over 35 lbs of force, and (according to google) human skin can withstand about 6 lbs of force per square inch. If bigger numbers are easier to take in (they are for me), each gallon of blood in his body was moving over 4 /tons/ of force. If those numbers are even remotely correct, I’d say the depiction was, if anything, not violent enough. :)
Good catch on the hat!
Also her code name is Archangel
Love the show the
The captain of the Behemoth that Drummer clashes with is called Klaes Ashford. And his talk, like a lot of Belters, is just pure candy to my ears. There's something about the Belter diction that just really, really works for me. (Whether they're talking in the Belter creole or not, though especially the creole.)
The title is pronounced "delta-vee", and it's from physics and means change in velocity (velocity meaning both speed and direction). Delta-vee is also used as a term to describe a spacecraft's fuel storage - a given ship has a certain level of delta-vee stored up in its fuel and reaction mass, which means the sum total of all velocity changes it can make before it's empty and will continue drifting under its latest course.
Also - interesting that you'd speculate about the connection between Holden's Miller hallucination and the protomolecule bit on the Roci.
To clarify, in the show Drummer is the captain of the Behemoth, and Ashford has been sent to be her Executive Officer (XO). In the books, Ashford was the captain, and Drumer doesn't even show up till book 5.
@@TArnoldFerguson it's interesting that show Drummer is a combination of 3 other book characters and 2 of them eventually show up on the show.
@@TArnoldFerguson Huh, I thought Ashford was named the captain and Drummer was the XO.
@@Thanaeon No. Remember that Ashford tells Diogo. “this is your captain,” referring to Brummer. He later says to Drummer, “I am here to be your XO.”
@@TArnoldFergusonOkay. Thank you for the correction, then! And yeah, that does sound familiar, now that you mention it.
Ashford is one of my favorite characters in the show and I love this second half of the season it's so good.
I've told several reactors (and got ragged on for it) that Melba is not "biting down" on anything. She is using the tip of her tongue to draw a circle on the roof of her mouth.
that's what it says she is doing in the books. That is difficult to show on screen. The click/crunch sound was added to make it more obvious she was doing something in her mouth to trigger something.
It's not Tycho, it's the Behemoth. (Formerly the Nauvoo). Remember they made a big deal about going to salvage it?
Wren figured that out
Clever girl! Or at least you are capable of believing what you see with your eyes. Lots of reactors describe Maneo's demise as resulting from his ship being stopped cold by The Ring. The scene very clearly show the ship moving through The Ring, and once inside its boundary, still moving albeit very slowly.
And now we viewer can understand why Miller wore the hat given to him by Semitimbi, and why the story showed Miller leaving it on Ceres before he caught that passenger ship to Eros. Holden had never seen Miller wearing that hat, making it highly improbable he would hallicinate about that version of Miller, and leaving only one plausible explanation. Miller's hat was something that never seemed to fit with the story,.Now we know it had its place.
The hat has had its place since Julie had a vision of Miller wearing it before she died, and before he entered her hotel room without it.
Maneo just "leaves things floating" because other than when he is using a body's gravity well to accelerate his ship, it IS in freefall.
when you use a gravity well to accelerate you are also in freefall
felotas everywhere!
Monica Stuart's cameraman is blind and perceives the world around him using his drones (and sensors at his fingertips). That is why he flinches when Amos smashes the drone.
She will find out these things by herself. No need to always spoonfeed the reactor. You do it all the time, please don't.
Due to his background, Ashford has a better idea of how to "appear civilized," which is what he wants Drummer to do. Drummer is a no-nonsense Belter with Utilitarian ethics, who would rather space the offender than spend resources incarcerating them.