Even though he's an asshole, he didn't betray the gang till chapter 6 (though the game implies that something went wrong in blackwater). Dutch had lost his mind by guarma. Even in chapter 4 he was acting out like killing Bronte. And he suffered a brain injury on the trolley crash. Micah capitalized on Dutch's narcissistic qualities and ego.
@@TearcarlogIt seemed like he was going to in one interaction between them but the devs must’ve been too scared to. The only time the N word is even used in game is by Lenny lol.
@@alexandermadsen94but does he ever? He’s given the opportunity to turn himself in for the betterment of his gang not once, not even twice, but three times. Once when Arthur was by the river with jack, once directly at Clemons point (and Milton even spells it out for him there), and one last time at the bank job in Saint Denis. Dutch never cared about his gang, he only cared about furthering his own ends
@@-INSERT_FUNNY_HERE-He technically did when he "surrendered" himself to Milton and Ross, but them the gang all pulled their guns and wouldn't let him get taken, though obviously he(and us playing) knew that would happen I doubt he'd ever give himself up like that if he thought he could actually get captured though
No this is actually following Micah asking about the money one last time, which Dutch just shuts down without explanation, so his nasty look is him realizing Dutch is never going back for the money bc then people will just take their cut and leave, so he betrays them instead
@@josephstalin2606Don't forget that Micah approached Dutch for the sole purpose of collecting his bounty evidenced by the search notice half burned in his small camp Besides, the piece of newspaper next to it which tells the story of the farmers killed by his father and also testifies to him of his modus operandi: pretend to be a friend, collect as much as you can from a person before stabbing them in the back and winning
@@ElCaracortada True, then again the Blackwater money far exceeds Dutchs bounty. It makes sense that he’d constantly ask Dutch for it all while being “loyal” and when he stops asking is when he actively betrays the gang. I feel like him turning Dutch in was a back up plan from the start as evidenced by his small camp but I also feel like him getting the money from Blackwater was the bigger priority
@@josephstalin2606 Yeah surely since there was much more money from Blackwater than on Dutch's head having them is the jackpot but the priority remains the biggest gain betraying Dutch by killing him would above all have allowed Micah to get rid of the gang who would hunt him while recovering more money
On my first playthrough, this is the exact moment I knew this was gonna end bad. Like, even Javier, whose been described as the most loyal of the lot, sounded a bit skeptical. Even Micah knew Dutch wasn't genuine.
@@ramilplay7069Exactly, he never believed the stupid philosophy Dutch spouted, in fact even Arthur and John come to realize that Dutch was always full of shit and spinning a yarn. This is also why he betrays them right after this scene, and notice how this is also the very last scene he asks about the blackwater money. When Dutch says no for the final time he never brings it up again but becomes a rat which shows that Micah was only loyal to the money the whole time
@@josephstalin2606 I mean tbf, after all the shit Dutch put the gang through, I think really anyone who wasn't on arthur's side was only in it for the money. Sides, money's pure and simple, it's quantifiable. *What exactly is an ideal other then just an idea, no more tangible or stable then the people who touts it.*
Nah, Bill is most loyal to Dutch. Javier had doubt to Dutch but he doesn't have guts, he kind of guy that will follow superiorty person just because he is safe.
It’s the part where Dutch starts talking about their family where it hits me the most. Because it’s clear in that in this moment, he’s only saying it to convince them to go along with his failing plan rather than actually caring about the gang. Even Micah doesn’t believe him and that’s how you know it ain’t good
It’s when you realize Dutch always said stuff to keep people by his side rather than genuinely caring for them that hits the most. You feel just like Arthur realizing your role model was just a fraud
@@josephstalin2606 Dutch used to care for his family. But when world started to change around him it drove him mad. Clinging to the old ways and ideals really did number on him. I find it rather tragic. Micah is kind of opposite of that where he will betray anyone and his current way of life if it ensured his survival.
@@vanjaarsic1616 I disagree. If it was the “times” that changed him that only goes to show that Dutch cared more about robbing and being an outlaw instead of doing what was right for his people
@@josephstalin2606 Dutch cares for freedom the most. He was always fighting the goverment, but it came second to his family. Up untill now. He became so consumed by fighting the system that by the point of rdr1 he brought that to psychotic extreme.
I like how Micah, even though he was always the worst, the stinkiest rat in the west, also knew how full of shit Dutch was. Micah wasn't a good person by any means, but his face here shows the disgust of hearing someone like Dutch trying to sound like a hero, like someone who cares about anyone other than himself (he clearly doesn't, he abandoned his gang members several times) and calls them family. Micah betrayed the gang because he knew there was no salvation for them, in that point I can't completely blame Micah, he was selfish and wanted to survive, so what's the point of siding with someone who will keep chasing after money forever? It really proves him right in RDR1, where he keeps living his life. Dutch couldn't fight his nature.
I will forever lament that Micah ended up being an obvious villain instead of being just a chaotic neutral asshole. I genuinely thought by the end we’d see him realize how full of it Dutch was and just decide to go rogue, maybe even offer to let Arthur tag along. I thought we would see that while he is genuinely a dick he isn’t necessarily evil. But alas, we got an enjoyable “kick the dog” villain nonetheless.
this is the moment he was done with the scam, blackwater money long gone and he wanted out. he was a survivor and he knew staying loyal to dutch wasn't the right move for one
@@christianjohnson5379 Pinkertons knew who he was though, so even if he bailed he'd still be hunted down. Selling out the group was probably the only way to ensure he would stay free. Whether or not they would've pulled a Marston on him later is up for debate, though.
This scene is also the very last time he brings up the money to Dutch, which Dutch denies but doesn’t give any reasoning. In fact this would’ve been the PERFECT time to go back for it but Dutch understands the mental state of his followers and is worried that if he gets the money then everyone will just take their cut and abandon him, which is why he never goes back for it in the story and also reveals that Dutch was stringing everyone along the whole time, rather than just “going crazy”
@@enigma7310because Micah knew how to handle Dutch. He appealed to his ego, and made him think that Micah’s ideas were his own. Micah had Dutch wrapped around his finger, and he didn’t even know it
@@-INSERT_FUNNY_HERE-nah it's because micah had only known Dutch for six months. Arthur and John were quite literally raised by the man, hosea had been with him for more than 15 years. He could give a fuck about Dutch, or the gang.
Its so interesting to me that Javier is the one questioning Dutch during this scene. He's later on Dutch's side, but in this moment he showed he is unsure of some of Dutch's ideas, and his loyalty to him must have been sealed when Dutch and Arthur rescued him later in the story.
Well to be fair at the beginning javier does question dutch at camp sometimes even if he is as quick to excuse dutch for his actions. I think ultimately the traumatic events in guarma are what ultimately solidified javier as an unquestioning loyalist to Dutch as he saw Dutch fight his way to save him from men who were torturing him
I think behind-the-scenes it was mentioned that if RDR1 hadn't been made yet in this game happened first, Javier would have likely sided with Arthur in the end.
Even in the Chp 6 confrontation, Javier points his revolver upwards instead of towards John and Arthur. You can also visibly see in that scene that his mind is debating which side to pick. It was very sad to see because from previous camp and story interactions, you could really see that Javier was an actual friend to both John and Arthur. If you do his fishing side mission in Chp 3, I believe, it's actually borderline unthinkable that he would go on to be an enemy. He actually thought that the gang was a family, never noticing the cracks that were breaking it apart slowly, but surely.
@@VehramSultanThen why did he leave John behind in the train robbery? He’s clearly right there with Dutch and Micah as they make up how “John was killed by the patrol” and he stands there silently. I can believe Javier still considered Arthur a brother, but he ganged up on John when everyone else was accusing him of being the rat, which shows his cowardice and his follower mentality that he never grows out of
@@josephstalin2606 You are absolutely right about the follower mentality in Javier, which in the end proved to be what caused his downfall. His excessive and misplaced admiration of Dutch was, in the end, what caused the debate of which side to pick, to stir up in his head.
from the framing of being a criminal, micah is really admirable, you can see how much he sees dutch as a sucker with the illusion of grandeur, dutch and his gang were his score.
micah is very smart when you think about it. he knew damn well that the gang will fall apart, much before than arthur ever even considered that possibility, so he took advantage of the dying gang. Not a morally right thing to do, but it is smart and cunning.
yeah i figured he got in to take advantage of Dutch, push the gang into risky takes for loads of cash, once enough died off, bring in Cleet/Joe/guy from strawberry, then turn Dutch and the other members into pinkertons in exchange for freedom/bounty money and rob him for all the money they'd made+the blackwater money@@captainhostile101
Micah wasn't a good person by any means, in fact, he's pretty much a textbook western outlaw. He kept saying that he's a survivor and never once let others think that he's more than that. So, when Dutch put himself on a pedestal, he saw a man who cared more for his ego than his own life. That's why it doesn't take much for him to talk when Milton got to him. He saw that the gang is a shadow of its former self and decides that when it's going down, he'd rather be standing over the rubble than buried underneath it.
@@jackcalkins4232dutches glance towards Micah during the standoff with him and John, when Micah says "Arthur's been dead a long time John" Dutch stares at him for a couple of seconds before shooting him soon after
The expression Micah gives, it says alot to me, its almost a pity, for whoever falls for it, like hes contemplating disgust at Dutch's blatent bs, but at the same time, its disconnected, it doesnt affect him, and he knows hes a snake too
"I would kill for this family" -Leaves John -Doesn't avenge Arthur -KIlls Molly O'Shea -Betrays half of the gang and a person who felt like a son to him
It's insane that Javier openly question Dutch in front of everyone, he always justify Dutch's action in previous chapter. He probably knew everything Dutch's planning isn't gonna work but out of obligation and debt he stayed with Dutch until he found an opening to escape, which is during the Beaver Hollow shootout. Also, Micah's expression here probably knew Dutch is full of shit, i finally understand that he was never loyal to Dutch either, he probably tried to get rid of everyone and make Dutch lead him to Blackwater money and get Dutch to the Pinkerton, then took all the money.
My thing has always been when Colmb kidnaps Arthur. Arthur made it clear to Dutch & Micha for a meeting point. Yet neither of them obviously did that. That's when I learnt the fix was in on Dutch.
I always said that Micah was disillusioned with Dutch because of his lack of interest in retrieving the Blackwater money. This further shows how he didn’t believe in him and saw that he was going insane.
Come to think of it, Arthur and Micah are two sides of the same coin. Both of them knew that Dutch was losing his mind and both saw the writings on the wall. But while Arthur tried to save what was left of the group's deteriorating morale, Micah took full advantage of it by manipulating Dutch.
@@RipXIII Go from 5secs and then click on 45secs. The sun is shining more on his face and in his eyes at 45secs. One is a medium shot, the other is a close up, and his eyes are more open at 45secs too. But just from a game-making standpoint, they 100% would have used the same face model for the scene. I can see how they look different, and I agree with that, but it is the same face, just with variables that make it look different.
After rewatching this scene and noticing Micah’s face I think he turned himself in. Milton claims they picked him up but He knew Dutch had lost his mind and was gonna get them killed or caught.
This is also following Micah asking for the blackwater money, which is also the very last time he asks so it can be assumed he allowed himself to get caught and strike a deal since he knew he was probably never gonna get the money
I dunno about that, I watched some video about how he couldn't have been snitching. I'll see if I can find it again because it can certainly explain it better than I can
- They almost died in Blackwater - They got ambushed by the Grays in Rhodes - They got cornered by the Pinkertons in Clemens Point - They barely escaped from St. Denis - Jenny, Davey, Mac, Sean, Hosea, Lenny died - John got captured and risks hanging Yet after all of these events Dutch continues the same path. Micah is a treacherous rat but he is rational enough to save his skin. Nobody considers him as a part of the Gang. Why trying to keep them going on? He survived once, twice, he can surely die or get captured the third time. For what? A lunatic and a gang that doesn't like him? I don't know what happened between this conversation and Beaver Hollow but the cynic Javier became even more loyal to an insane man.
The really sad part is if you decide to go back and take the money at the end of Arthur's story, you find a chest with $50,000. More than enough for each of them to go off and start their own lives for that time.
@@uriellando1104 you can find it if you decide not to help John escape. You go back to the cave where the last camp was and find Dutch’s chest. It honestly reveals how Dutch just wanted to keep living that way and it was never enough.
So in today’s money, that would probably be equivalent to about 2-2.5 million dollars. If we assume that we got this money when the gang was at its maximum membership (~21 members), each person would have gotten 2,380 dollars (100,000-120,000 in today’s money). So even if they couldn’t have lived super comfortably, they definitely could have gotten land in the West, or potentially even Tahiti. So Dutch was lying to the gang, and probably even to himself, by thinking that one more score would let them lead a comfortable life instead of a hard one.
The more I replay red dead 2 the more I can see Dutch did care about everyone, he had always been paranoid, but as the stress kept coming he couldn’t cope, blamed everyone but himself, the one person that “stuck by him” Micah, was agreeing with him, made him think he wasn’t going crazy, Dutch saw the things the gang did as an attack rather that seeing it as then trying to survive
I think Dutch only cared about them to the extent that they validated his ego. The gang made him feel like the important leader he wanted to be. He's constantly trying to be seen by others as powerful, virtuous and learned, but most of that is just an act he puts on to feed his need to be respected. Whenever one of the gang became more work than Dutch felt they were worth, he suddenly stopped supporting them. The lack of effort he put in to look for John shows that he can easily lose his "affection" for those he calls family. I'd say the only one he might have genuinely cared for is Hosea and maybe Arthur. Ultimately, Dutch cares much more about Dutch than he cares about anyone else.
I don't think dutch cares about anyone who doesn't cope with him. My sympathy with him ended when he deadass told Arthur that he would betray him and that he's the "type of guy to do that". Arthur was almost a son for him, and he still didn't fw him because he disagrees and isn't blindly following him, you can see how much of a narcissistic and a articulated leader Dutch really is
@@zldalla I lost half my empathy when he abandoned John by the train, and the rest of it when he abandoned Arthur to die during the assault to the Oil Factory. From that point on, I spent the rest of the game hoping that I would be allowed to kill him at some point.
I think Javier follows Dutch out of principle due to his revolutionary past but isn’t stupid enough to acknowledge something isn’t seriously wrong with Dutch’s behaviour and hypocrisy.
@@partisandoomer1286 When you go fishing with him you can see that he has the same mindset of dutch, also there is a greeting that Arthur says to Javier that he is the most loyal of them. And in chapter one Javier kinda turn a blind eye to dutch boat incident, but I know that camp scene
Arthur isn't "disappointed", he's more heartbroken looking at what Dutch has become. And Jesus wasn't ever disappointed with his disciples, he always believed in them.
I say Micah is an opportunist. He isn't connected and bonded to anyone. He knew Dutch's sanity, and consequently, the gang is going down the drain, so he bailed at the right moment, possible even earned a bit of favor with the Pinkertons by ratting the gang out, and later formed his own gang
Micah is the smartest character in this game. Since the beginning of the game, he has never fallen for Dutch's bullshit, Micah is gaining his place in the gang and showing what Dutch wants most, unconditional loyalty. He understands the dynamics of the group, has flexibility and a lot of talk, his every movement is well calculated. He only loses in the end because of the script.
And Micah only survived for that long because of the script. People who are unpredictable like that and act like a clown don't last long in the criminal life. John and Arthur were onto him from the start and might have even killed him, even Dutch said "He must be after something" in Chapter 2, Dutch knew that Micah is trying to manipulate him since Ch2, he doesn't care, he's using Micah just as much as Micah THINKS he's using Dutch, this is apparent at the end, Micah was surprised when Dutch shot him, He never realized Dutch was playing him too.
To be fair, Micah was only with the gang for a few months. Someone like Arthur, who was loyal to a fault, was raised by Dutch. Who knows how much of Dutch’s bull crap Micah would have saw through if he was raised by Dutch as well.
@@dariusporter358 Other way around, being with Dutch for only 6 months, and not raised by him, you can easily see through Dutch's BS. Being raised by him and groomed into a killer and to follow his beliefs? Yeah, much harder to realise that the person you regarded as your mentor/father figure is not who you thought to be. Dutch resembles a cult leader.
@@dariusporter358exactly it's a big difference between someone that grew in a gang vs a career criminal not raised on loyalty. Michah was like a Tiger playing Wolf.
Micah has always been the Money driven member of the gang, He didn't care for any of the sentimental bs since he wasn't that close with anyone in particular except Dutch In a scene previous to this he says to Dutch they need to get back that money they left in Blackwater, Then Dutch dismisses him and says he won't do that, I believe this right here in this boat is the moment Micah completely gave up on Dutch and his gang and became the rat that would've spill everything to the Pinkerton's
Guarma is really a big turning point in setting up the end of the story, it put everything important in place and was basically the point of no return.
Micah seems to have memorised that but other than that it seems just the way Micah usually looks at Dutch. A respectfull look, even if his repect is debatable
I was thinking about it, and I don’t think Micah was a bad as he really was made out to be. I think he genuinely believed Dutch for awhile, but realized he was saying BS. And I think Micah thought the only way to really make anything happen was to encourage and push Dutch towards insanity. He offered everyone to be apart of what he was doing, (if you re play the game he never truly excluded anyone and tried to get them to partake in it) and I think if everyone was willing to do the fucked up shit he wanted them to do, they would have done it. The constant robbing and risking laying low made sure they got money in time. And there’s also the point that Dutch deep down didn’t want to actually go to Tahiti and let everyone be free because him being their leader is all he has. So Micah decided to just embrace it. He knew it was never truly going to happen
Everyone’s gotta admit is not a bad character he was the absolute best villain I have actually seen. He was pure and raw evil he’s all in all a great character
It’s nice to see praise for Micah instead of the stuff people normally say Hell I’ve literally seen people claim Micah is useless with a gun just because they don’t like him
Javier is the most interesting of the gang. He is noble for sure (he has no issues with going out to look for John and bringing him back safe), and he knows when the gang is straying far (the missable mission where Bill gets captured, Chapter 3 when he questions Dutch, here on the boat from Guarma)... but he is also conflicted in following Dutch (Chapter 3 when he and Arthur go fishing he basically defends Dutch, his disdain towards Arthur in Chapter 6 and him siding with Micah and Dutch). It is really an amazing side character arc.
@@Venom272X right!?? i'm a girl and ofc i also love him... but i know a guy that loves arthur too LOL, people need to normalize men calling other men handsome or majestic without immediately getting called gay
The animators did such a good job with the expressions in this game, matched with best of the best voice acting. Of any game I’ve ever played, this one has the most character depth and emotional realism hands down.
Probably the actor's hand hitting the mocap suit, likely not an intended detail but a great one nonetheless Kinda weird that the mic would pick it up but I guess its because of how his head is positioned here
"I will kill for my family" has a double meaning depending on your understanding of the story. It could mean that he would kill to defend his family. It could also mean that he would kill to ensure the family remains a family, even if it means killing fellow gang members.
Yup. He isn't some cartoonishly evil psycho that just wants to kill everyone for fun. He was a true, genuine outlaw that knew they were in the business of making money first and foremost, not inflating the ego of a wannabe cult leader. Micah is one of the more realistic characters in the game. Realistically, far more characters should have been like him instead of the hybrid of cult-follower and commune-esque person that the rest of the gang were like.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Hes certainly an evil character mate, don’t get it twisted. All the evidence is there to show he is truly a disgusting human being. However, I’m talking about the van der linde situation. He tells us what he was after in chapter 4, he wasn’t the rat from the beginning. He seen something within the gang and wanted 5/6 strong gunmen. Something the gang was more than capable of. So he wanted to disband the gang, he started to get into Dutch’s ear along with some of the others but it still wasn’t enough. So when he got arrested by the Pinkertons he took the opportunity to finally disband the gang that way
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 John and Arthur were also aware of Dutch by chapter 4. But they both had a dynamic with Dutch that Micah lacked. John even questions Dutch prior to the Lemoyne Bank heist and tells Arthur that it seemed like Dutch left him to be arrested. Micah was the smartest one. He used Dutch as much as he could. He wanted him for a new score + Blackwater money. The moment Micah had the latter is probably the moment Dutch would die or get arrested by Pinkertons.
He's a bad man who at first joined the gang to, "survive." He was somewhat loyal to it, but once Dutch began to unravel who he truly was, he started to realize that staying with Dutch was a death sentence, but he couldn't just leave the gang because he was wanted, so the only thing he could do was rat out the gang. He didn't necessarily want to rat out the gang, but he'll do it without any question for his own survival. He respected Arthur, but that won't stop him from killing him for his own survival. He's basically a cruel and corrupted man who wants to survive because he doesn't believe there's anything else in life.
Mwa. I highly doubt Micah cared about Dutch should be stopped. But he saw through his BS like Arthur did. Except for Arthur's loyalty, Micah cares about survival, with or without Dutch. I honestly can't blame Micah. The Gang should have understood Dutch's bs by now and looked for an escape before chapter 6.
I do remember that Dutch would apparently write notes on his speeches in his tent and I like to imagine that Micah looked at Dutch with disgust cause he knows that Dutch rehearsed his lines, probably from sneaking around camp at night
The game starts with Dutch saying he would die for his family. Then here he diminishes that to saying he'd kill for his family. Then at the end of the game he isn't even willing to risk his neck for his family. It's a story about how a charismatic idealist gets pushed around so much, gives up on one ideal after another, until he's just another killer looking for a buck.
Honestly, I wish there was more to the game than what was released. I wish there was more build up between Micah and Arthur, to truly make the betrayal all the more gutwrenching.
Rewatching this scene knowing Micah became a rat after this, its making me think that Micah betrayed the gang(moreso specifically Dutch) because of this.
Ill give Micah his credit here. At this point he is the only one who knows just how screwed this gang really is with Dutch. Micah is the only one who can see completly through him. Thats doesnt justify what Micah does but Micah was probably the only one who wasnt a fool. Evil yes, fool no.
Micahs actions and attitude might be extremely deplorable, but at least he doesnt delude himself into thinking whatever hes doing is for some greater philosophical good like Dutch did.
In a different perspective Micah is a good guy. He worked for a gang of murderers and he got arrested. He realised the gang is going down hill so he helps the government try to take down a gang. He had the balls to be an inside agent as well.
Nah he ain't a good guy. He would be if he started living a normal, clean life, like John did. But he went on to form his own little gang (and even murdered a family)
0:44 never noticed on my first playthrough but Arthur already looks ill from the tuberculosis here if you mind the sunburn his eyes are being to sink in, they are also bloodshot his wrinkles are more noticable and he's definitely thinner compared to chapter 1 and 2
Honestly i just thought micah was pissed off because he wasnt just telling him so he could have something interesting to say about arthur because the ammount of times i have played it and micah always hated arthur because he was smarter an knew what to say too dutch and thats where he wanted to be at so he could talk behind the whole gangs back an make them all betray eachother which sadly he did
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Even though Micah was the worst in the game you could tell he knew every word out of Dutch’s mouth was total BS
Evil don’t mean stupid
Even though he's an asshole, he didn't betray the gang till chapter 6 (though the game implies that something went wrong in blackwater).
Dutch had lost his mind by guarma. Even in chapter 4 he was acting out like killing Bronte. And he suffered a brain injury on the trolley crash. Micah capitalized on Dutch's narcissistic qualities and ego.
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@@potatowithanailinit6508Jesus fucking christ I thought that was a penis but it's just a potato, crazy how they usually look similar in color...
Micah could tell Dutch was coming unscrewed which he took advantage of influencing him, where Hosea was absent.
Micah really hit him with that “this nigga.” look
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I was surprised he didn’t call lenny that in chapter 1
@@TearcarlogIt seemed like he was going to in one interaction between them but the devs must’ve been too scared to. The only time the N word is even used in game is by Lenny lol.
@@TearcarlogI remember the interaction now it was like:
Micah: I’ve shot a lot of people like you
Lenny: People like me…?
Micah: Oh ya know……. Cowards
Remember how Arthur says earlier "I'd kill for this gang, I'd happily die for it" when rescueing Sean.
Notice how Dutch is only good with killing.
I mean, Dutch also says that he'd throw himself in the grave in the stead of the Callander boys in chapter one when they first get to Colter
@@alexandermadsen94but does he ever? He’s given the opportunity to turn himself in for the betterment of his gang not once, not even twice, but three times. Once when Arthur was by the river with jack, once directly at Clemons point (and Milton even spells it out for him there), and one last time at the bank job in Saint Denis. Dutch never cared about his gang, he only cared about furthering his own ends
@@-INSERT_FUNNY_HERE-Why would he go to jail lmao
@@EDGKangKang The Pinkertons were after Dutch first and foremost, they didn't care all that much about the others.
@@-INSERT_FUNNY_HERE-He technically did when he "surrendered" himself to Milton and Ross, but them the gang all pulled their guns and wouldn't let him get taken, though obviously he(and us playing) knew that would happen
I doubt he'd ever give himself up like that if he thought he could actually get captured though
If someone makes Micah of all people disgusted, you know that is a bad person
I guess micah saw that so he jumped onto the easiest way out with a deal with the pinkertons
No this is actually following Micah asking about the money one last time, which Dutch just shuts down without explanation, so his nasty look is him realizing Dutch is never going back for the money bc then people will just take their cut and leave, so he betrays them instead
@@josephstalin2606Don't forget that Micah approached Dutch for the sole purpose of collecting his bounty evidenced by the search notice half burned in his small camp Besides, the piece of newspaper next to it which tells the story of the farmers killed by his father and also testifies to him of his modus operandi: pretend to be a friend, collect as much as you can from a person before stabbing them in the back and winning
@@ElCaracortada True, then again the Blackwater money far exceeds Dutchs bounty. It makes sense that he’d constantly ask Dutch for it all while being “loyal” and when he stops asking is when he actively betrays the gang. I feel like him turning Dutch in was a back up plan from the start as evidenced by his small camp but I also feel like him getting the money from Blackwater was the bigger priority
@@josephstalin2606 Yeah surely since there was much more money from Blackwater than on Dutch's head
having them is the jackpot
but the priority remains the biggest gain
betraying Dutch by killing him would above all have allowed Micah to get rid of the gang who would hunt him while recovering more money
On my first playthrough, this is the exact moment I knew this was gonna end bad. Like, even Javier, whose been described as the most loyal of the lot, sounded a bit skeptical. Even Micah knew Dutch wasn't genuine.
I think micah knowed that dutch isn't who a good, charismatic leader from the start of game
@@ramilplay7069Exactly, he never believed the stupid philosophy Dutch spouted, in fact even Arthur and John come to realize that Dutch was always full of shit and spinning a yarn. This is also why he betrays them right after this scene, and notice how this is also the very last scene he asks about the blackwater money. When Dutch says no for the final time he never brings it up again but becomes a rat which shows that Micah was only loyal to the money the whole time
If you played the 1st game...you know that these are all the villains from the 1st game on the boat except for Arthur....
@@josephstalin2606 I mean tbf, after all the shit Dutch put the gang through, I think really anyone who wasn't on arthur's side was only in it for the money. Sides, money's pure and simple, it's quantifiable. *What exactly is an ideal other then just an idea, no more tangible or stable then the people who touts it.*
Nah, Bill is most loyal to Dutch. Javier had doubt to Dutch but he doesn't have guts, he kind of guy that will follow superiorty person just because he is safe.
It’s the part where Dutch starts talking about their family where it hits me the most. Because it’s clear in that in this moment, he’s only saying it to convince them to go along with his failing plan rather than actually caring about the gang. Even Micah doesn’t believe him and that’s how you know it ain’t good
It’s when you realize Dutch always said stuff to keep people by his side rather than genuinely caring for them that hits the most. You feel just like Arthur realizing your role model was just a fraud
@@josephstalin2606 Dutch used to care for his family. But when world started to change around him it drove him mad. Clinging to the old ways and ideals really did number on him. I find it rather tragic. Micah is kind of opposite of that where he will betray anyone and his current way of life if it ensured his survival.
@@vanjaarsic1616 I disagree. If it was the “times” that changed him that only goes to show that Dutch cared more about robbing and being an outlaw instead of doing what was right for his people
@@josephstalin2606 Dutch cares for freedom the most. He was always fighting the goverment, but it came second to his family. Up untill now. He became so consumed by fighting the system that by the point of rdr1 he brought that to psychotic extreme.
I mean, Micha never believed him, he was there for the blackwater money
I like how Micah, even though he was always the worst, the stinkiest rat in the west, also knew how full of shit Dutch was. Micah wasn't a good person by any means, but his face here shows the disgust of hearing someone like Dutch trying to sound like a hero, like someone who cares about anyone other than himself (he clearly doesn't, he abandoned his gang members several times) and calls them family. Micah betrayed the gang because he knew there was no salvation for them, in that point I can't completely blame Micah, he was selfish and wanted to survive, so what's the point of siding with someone who will keep chasing after money forever? It really proves him right in RDR1, where he keeps living his life. Dutch couldn't fight his nature.
I will forever lament that Micah ended up being an obvious villain instead of being just a chaotic neutral asshole.
I genuinely thought by the end we’d see him realize how full of it Dutch was and just decide to go rogue, maybe even offer to let Arthur tag along. I thought we would see that while he is genuinely a dick he isn’t necessarily evil.
But alas, we got an enjoyable “kick the dog” villain nonetheless.
@@mistertwister2000fr it wasn’t until i found out he was the rat I realized he was the villain. I thought he was just a loose cannon
Or he’s just frustrated that Dutch didn’t tell him where is the Blackwater money
Dutch in rdr1 was a broken Dutch who lost everybody and everybody and got nothing to lose. Micah was mainly the cause of that
He also couldn't fight gravity
this is the moment he was done with the scam, blackwater money long gone and he wanted out. he was a survivor and he knew staying loyal to dutch wasn't the right move for one
In that case he should have simply left the gang, instead of working for the Pinkertons and selling the gang out.
@@christianjohnson5379 Pinkertons knew who he was though, so even if he bailed he'd still be hunted down. Selling out the group was probably the only way to ensure he would stay free. Whether or not they would've pulled a Marston on him later is up for debate, though.
This scene is also the very last time he brings up the money to Dutch, which Dutch denies but doesn’t give any reasoning. In fact this would’ve been the PERFECT time to go back for it but Dutch understands the mental state of his followers and is worried that if he gets the money then everyone will just take their cut and abandon him, which is why he never goes back for it in the story and also reveals that Dutch was stringing everyone along the whole time, rather than just “going crazy”
mf rapping facts
To be honest even though Micah is a piece of trash he was always a step ahead when it came to survival
*Micah was the only one that didn't become unhinged or depressed towards the end he just became more observant...*
He didn't become MORE unhinged, bro was already unfiltered and psychotic
@@macorigin *Exactly but he was the only one who was successfully putting bugs in Dutch's ear even When Arthur knew Dutch the longest...*
@@enigma7310because Micah knew how to handle Dutch. He appealed to his ego, and made him think that Micah’s ideas were his own. Micah had Dutch wrapped around his finger, and he didn’t even know it
@@-INSERT_FUNNY_HERE-nah it's because micah had only known Dutch for six months. Arthur and John were quite literally raised by the man, hosea had been with him for more than 15 years. He could give a fuck about Dutch, or the gang.
@@enigma7310another reason he trusts micah is cause he saved his life
Its so interesting to me that Javier is the one questioning Dutch during this scene. He's later on Dutch's side, but in this moment he showed he is unsure of some of Dutch's ideas, and his loyalty to him must have been sealed when Dutch and Arthur rescued him later in the story.
Well to be fair at the beginning javier does question dutch at camp sometimes even if he is as quick to excuse dutch for his actions.
I think ultimately the traumatic events in guarma are what ultimately solidified javier as an unquestioning loyalist to Dutch as he saw Dutch fight his way to save him from men who were torturing him
I think behind-the-scenes it was mentioned that if RDR1 hadn't been made yet in this game happened first, Javier would have likely sided with Arthur in the end.
Even in the Chp 6 confrontation, Javier points his revolver upwards instead of towards John and Arthur. You can also visibly see in that scene that his mind is debating which side to pick.
It was very sad to see because from previous camp and story interactions, you could really see that Javier was an actual friend to both John and Arthur.
If you do his fishing side mission in Chp 3, I believe, it's actually borderline unthinkable that he would go on to be an enemy.
He actually thought that the gang was a family, never noticing the cracks that were breaking it apart slowly, but surely.
@@VehramSultanThen why did he leave John behind in the train robbery? He’s clearly right there with Dutch and Micah as they make up how “John was killed by the patrol” and he stands there silently. I can believe Javier still considered Arthur a brother, but he ganged up on John when everyone else was accusing him of being the rat, which shows his cowardice and his follower mentality that he never grows out of
@@josephstalin2606 You are absolutely right about the follower mentality in Javier, which in the end proved to be what caused his downfall. His excessive and misplaced admiration of Dutch was, in the end, what caused the debate of which side to pick, to stir up in his head.
from the framing of being a criminal, micah is really admirable, you can see how much he sees dutch as a sucker with the illusion of grandeur, dutch and his gang were his score.
micah is very smart when you think about it. he knew damn well that the gang will fall apart, much before than arthur ever even considered that possibility, so he took advantage of the dying gang. Not a morally right thing to do, but it is smart and cunning.
@@captainhostile101A sly, cunning snake he is
yeah i figured he got in to take advantage of Dutch, push the gang into risky takes for loads of cash, once enough died off, bring in Cleet/Joe/guy from strawberry, then turn Dutch and the other members into pinkertons in exchange for freedom/bounty money and rob him for all the money they'd made+the blackwater money@@captainhostile101
@@believer431 a cunning snake taking care of a bunch lost rats....
I don’t think admirable is the word but I hear you
Micah wasn't a good person by any means, in fact, he's pretty much a textbook western outlaw. He kept saying that he's a survivor and never once let others think that he's more than that. So, when Dutch put himself on a pedestal, he saw a man who cared more for his ego than his own life. That's why it doesn't take much for him to talk when Milton got to him. He saw that the gang is a shadow of its former self and decides that when it's going down, he'd rather be standing over the rubble than buried underneath it.
Micah brought out the worst in Dutch in order to end this fucking embarrassment of a gang sooner than later. A noble goal.
Based
@@wujek7616 just common sense.
damn well when you put it like that...
Said the same thing. Micah was the only proper outlaw and cool member of the gang.
💀
I noticed this too. There’s a lot of subtle facial expressions shown throughout the story that might not seem important but they really are.
Like what else?
@@jackcalkins4232dutches glance towards Micah during the standoff with him and John, when Micah says "Arthur's been dead a long time John" Dutch stares at him for a couple of seconds before shooting him soon after
@@smokey7127 It’s only cuz I played the game like 4 times lmao
The expression Micah gives, it says alot to me, its almost a pity, for whoever falls for it, like hes contemplating disgust at Dutch's blatent bs, but at the same time, its disconnected, it doesnt affect him, and he knows hes a snake too
Its a psychopath seeing through the lies of a sociopath.
@@DasJiggly dammn, that sentence is chilling
"I would kill for this family"
-Leaves John
-Doesn't avenge Arthur
-KIlls Molly O'Shea
-Betrays half of the gang and a person who felt like a son to him
He does avenge Arthur, that's the point of the last scene
Dutch didn't kill Molly.
@@stigkenobi7525 well yea susan shot her
@@stigkenobi7525he was absolutely going to if Grimshaw didn’t beat him to it.
Well that's the point, the only thing he's doing is killing, not much else
It's insane that Javier openly question Dutch in front of everyone, he always justify Dutch's action in previous chapter. He probably knew everything Dutch's planning isn't gonna work but out of obligation and debt he stayed with Dutch until he found an opening to escape, which is during the Beaver Hollow shootout.
Also, Micah's expression here probably knew Dutch is full of shit, i finally understand that he was never loyal to Dutch either, he probably tried to get rid of everyone and make Dutch lead him to Blackwater money and get Dutch to the Pinkerton, then took all the money.
My thing has always been when Colmb kidnaps Arthur. Arthur made it clear to Dutch & Micha for a meeting point. Yet neither of them obviously did that. That's when I learnt the fix was in on Dutch.
Javier also tryed to question Dutch in a early chapter too
"I will kill for my family."
*Dom Toretto with Submarine*
"Did you say family?"
I always said that Micah was disillusioned with Dutch because of his lack of interest in retrieving the Blackwater money. This further shows how he didn’t believe in him and saw that he was going insane.
Come to think of it, Arthur and Micah are two sides of the same coin. Both of them knew that Dutch was losing his mind and both saw the writings on the wall. But while Arthur tried to save what was left of the group's deteriorating morale, Micah took full advantage of it by manipulating Dutch.
It could even be argued that Micah is the Low Honor version of Arthur.
I’d love to have a RDR where Micah is the protagonist
Can we just talk about how Arthur looks healthy in the beginning of this video. Then towards the end of the video he looked sick.
I don’t see it
Nah he looks the same, and they've used the same face model throughout this clip. The lighting on him changes in the second close-up, but that's it.
@@comment15I swear it changed. You can see Arthur’s blood shot eyes from his TB. I didn’t see it in the first part of this clip.
@@RipXIII Go from 5secs and then click on 45secs. The sun is shining more on his face and in his eyes at 45secs. One is a medium shot, the other is a close up, and his eyes are more open at 45secs too. But just from a game-making standpoint, they 100% would have used the same face model for the scene. I can see how they look different, and I agree with that, but it is the same face, just with variables that make it look different.
His skin is only burned from the sun, he is not sick in this point of the game yet
As much as we all hate Micah he’s definitely written pretty well and this expression tells us so much without it be exaggerated
After rewatching this scene and noticing Micah’s face I think he turned himself in. Milton claims they picked him up but He knew Dutch had lost his mind and was gonna get them killed or caught.
No, micah was a horrible person. He didn't feel bad for anything he did, he just wanted to come out on top.
@@joshsheler7036what are you talking about how does that counter anything said in the comment?
@@smokey7127 I guess when I read it, I thought he was saying that micah turned himself in out of guilt rather than profit.
This is also following Micah asking for the blackwater money, which is also the very last time he asks so it can be assumed he allowed himself to get caught and strike a deal since he knew he was probably never gonna get the money
I dunno about that, I watched some video about how he couldn't have been snitching. I'll see if I can find it again because it can certainly explain it better than I can
- They almost died in Blackwater
- They got ambushed by the Grays in Rhodes
- They got cornered by the Pinkertons in Clemens Point
- They barely escaped from St. Denis
- Jenny, Davey, Mac, Sean, Hosea, Lenny died
- John got captured and risks hanging
Yet after all of these events Dutch continues the same path. Micah is a treacherous rat but he is rational enough to save his skin. Nobody considers him as a part of the Gang. Why trying to keep them going on? He survived once, twice, he can surely die or get captured the third time. For what? A lunatic and a gang that doesn't like him?
I don't know what happened between this conversation and Beaver Hollow but the cynic Javier became even more loyal to an insane man.
The really sad part is if you decide to go back and take the money at the end of Arthur's story, you find a chest with $50,000. More than enough for each of them to go off and start their own lives for that time.
What!? Where!?
@@uriellando1104 you can find it if you decide not to help John escape. You go back to the cave where the last camp was and find Dutch’s chest. It honestly reveals how Dutch just wanted to keep living that way and it was never enough.
@@sean3473Can you pass it on to John?
@@mochilover7053no, but John gets the money after killing micah just a lot less probably cuz Micah spent a lot of it
So in today’s money, that would probably be equivalent to about 2-2.5 million dollars.
If we assume that we got this money when the gang was at its maximum membership (~21 members), each person would have gotten 2,380 dollars (100,000-120,000 in today’s money).
So even if they couldn’t have lived super comfortably, they definitely could have gotten land in the West, or potentially even Tahiti.
So Dutch was lying to the gang, and probably even to himself, by thinking that one more score would let them lead a comfortable life instead of a hard one.
The more I replay red dead 2 the more I can see Dutch did care about everyone, he had always been paranoid, but as the stress kept coming he couldn’t cope, blamed everyone but himself, the one person that “stuck by him” Micah, was agreeing with him, made him think he wasn’t going crazy, Dutch saw the things the gang did as an attack rather that seeing it as then trying to survive
I think Dutch only cared about them to the extent that they validated his ego. The gang made him feel like the important leader he wanted to be. He's constantly trying to be seen by others as powerful, virtuous and learned, but most of that is just an act he puts on to feed his need to be respected. Whenever one of the gang became more work than Dutch felt they were worth, he suddenly stopped supporting them. The lack of effort he put in to look for John shows that he can easily lose his "affection" for those he calls family. I'd say the only one he might have genuinely cared for is Hosea and maybe Arthur. Ultimately, Dutch cares much more about Dutch than he cares about anyone else.
I don't think dutch cares about anyone who doesn't cope with him. My sympathy with him ended when he deadass told Arthur that he would betray him and that he's the "type of guy to do that". Arthur was almost a son for him, and he still didn't fw him because he disagrees and isn't blindly following him, you can see how much of a narcissistic and a articulated leader Dutch really is
@@zldalla I lost half my empathy when he abandoned John by the train, and the rest of it when he abandoned Arthur to die during the assault to the Oil Factory. From that point on, I spent the rest of the game hoping that I would be allowed to kill him at some point.
Can you explain why Dutch openly abandoned Arthur when he was screaming for help, and it was Eagle flies who had to save him. 😂
@@KRMukundancause Micah manipulated him into thinking John and Arthur were disloyal
interesting of Javier actually pointing out dutch, which is interesting when javier is literally a blind follower of dutch
Javier does follow Dutch but it’s clear he’s not as blind as Bill
I think Javier follows Dutch out of principle due to his revolutionary past but isn’t stupid enough to acknowledge something isn’t seriously wrong with Dutch’s behaviour and hypocrisy.
@@partisandoomer1286 When you go fishing with him you can see that he has the same mindset of dutch, also there is a greeting that Arthur says to Javier that he is the most loyal of them. And in chapter one Javier kinda turn a blind eye to dutch boat incident, but I know that camp scene
His loyalty to Dutch is probably out of obligation
@@mistertwister2000 Bill is a halfwit
I like how Arthur is standing there with his arms folded as if he is Jesus Christ and he is disappointed at his disciples
More like, disappointed with me
Arthur isn't "disappointed", he's more heartbroken looking at what Dutch has become. And Jesus wasn't ever disappointed with his disciples, he always believed in them.
I say Micah is an opportunist. He isn't connected and bonded to anyone. He knew Dutch's sanity, and consequently, the gang is going down the drain, so he bailed at the right moment, possible even earned a bit of favor with the Pinkertons by ratting the gang out, and later formed his own gang
Micah is the smartest character in this game. Since the beginning of the game, he has never fallen for Dutch's bullshit, Micah is gaining his place in the gang and showing what Dutch wants most, unconditional loyalty. He understands the dynamics of the group, has flexibility and a lot of talk, his every movement is well calculated. He only loses in the end because of the script.
And Micah only survived for that long because of the script. People who are unpredictable like that and act like a clown don't last long in the criminal life. John and Arthur were onto him from the start and might have even killed him, even Dutch said "He must be after something" in Chapter 2, Dutch knew that Micah is trying to manipulate him since Ch2, he doesn't care, he's using Micah just as much as Micah THINKS he's using Dutch, this is apparent at the end, Micah was surprised when Dutch shot him, He never realized Dutch was playing him too.
To be fair, Micah was only with the gang for a few months. Someone like Arthur, who was loyal to a fault, was raised by Dutch. Who knows how much of Dutch’s bull crap Micah would have saw through if he was raised by Dutch as well.
@@dariusporter358 Other way around, being with Dutch for only 6 months, and not raised by him, you can easily see through Dutch's BS. Being raised by him and groomed into a killer and to follow his beliefs? Yeah, much harder to realise that the person you regarded as your mentor/father figure is not who you thought to be. Dutch resembles a cult leader.
@@dariusporter358exactly it's a big difference between someone that grew in a gang vs a career criminal not raised on loyalty. Michah was like a Tiger playing Wolf.
Micah has always been the Money driven member of the gang, He didn't care for any of the sentimental bs since he wasn't that close with anyone in particular except Dutch
In a scene previous to this he says to Dutch they need to get back that money they left in Blackwater, Then Dutch dismisses him and says he won't do that, I believe this right here in this boat is the moment Micah completely gave up on Dutch and his gang and became the rat that would've spill everything to the Pinkerton's
Micah knew Dutch was talking out of his ass that whole time
arthur pretty much hanging out wit the main antagonist and the 3 main baddies of rdr1
No matter what situation they are in Arthur’s hair is always at level 100
Just realized that everyone who was in Guarma with Arthur ended up being a villain
Guarma is really a big turning point in setting up the end of the story, it put everything important in place and was basically the point of no return.
I mean, javier wasn’t really a villian toward Arthur, he didn’t even have anything against John, til he came for him in rdr1 but yeah
Also first and last time Javier ever used his brain and questioned Dutch
MIcah destroyed Dutch's idealism and showed everyone who he really was.
Dutch was the main villain, the real culprit
That is made obvious in rdr1
Always has been
Nobody
Dutch: WE NEED MONEY
Javier was doubting him, Micah and Arthur knew he was full of shit, Bill looks lost as hell
Micah seems to have memorised that but other than that it seems just the way Micah usually looks at Dutch. A respectfull look, even if his repect is debatable
they want to give up and dutch want to live in a palace. I knew someone look like this
Never seen a more well written villain in a video game. Absolute props to the actor & the writing
I was thinking about it, and I don’t think Micah was a bad as he really was made out to be. I think he genuinely believed Dutch for awhile, but realized he was saying BS. And I think Micah thought the only way to really make anything happen was to encourage and push Dutch towards insanity. He offered everyone to be apart of what he was doing, (if you re play the game he never truly excluded anyone and tried to get them to partake in it) and I think if everyone was willing to do the fucked up shit he wanted them to do, they would have done it. The constant robbing and risking laying low made sure they got money in time. And there’s also the point that Dutch deep down didn’t want to actually go to Tahiti and let everyone be free because him being their leader is all he has. So Micah decided to just embrace it. He knew it was never truly going to happen
I want to see the entire game in these graphics
this specific video shows low graphics quality i mean look at that clothes, low res xD
Gamer's little playground is what you need.
WDYM? It is
But it is?
It is shut up💀
Everyone’s gotta admit is not a bad character he was the absolute best villain I have actually seen. He was pure and raw evil he’s all in all a great character
It’s nice to see praise for Micah instead of the stuff people normally say
Hell I’ve literally seen people claim Micah is useless with a gun just because they don’t like him
@@smokey7127they aren't 100% wrong, he nearly lost to a man with TB
@@kingman-fm4dq that was not with a gun, micah is good with guns not fists
@@smokey7127 i thought it said useless without guns my bad sorry
@@kingman-fm4dq all good. honestly not surprised micah struggles in hand to hand, we all saw him with an open shirt in guarma
Micah gave the “This shit ain’t workin” look
It was at this moment Micah realized who the greatest evil in the Van der Linde gang was, it wasn't him, it was Dutch.
When even Micah is visibly disturbed 😂
0:40 in that very moment micah knew what he was about to do
Javier is the most interesting of the gang. He is noble for sure (he has no issues with going out to look for John and bringing him back safe), and he knows when the gang is straying far (the missable mission where Bill gets captured, Chapter 3 when he questions Dutch, here on the boat from Guarma)... but he is also conflicted in following Dutch (Chapter 3 when he and Arthur go fishing he basically defends Dutch, his disdain towards Arthur in Chapter 6 and him siding with Micah and Dutch). It is really an amazing side character arc.
But also when siding with Dutch he is very hesitant and conflicted to pull his gun on Arthur and John showing he still values them as friends in a way
0:31 Micah be like "I´m gonna ruin this man´s career"
This makes me put into through different perspective that Dutch is the actual antagonist who changed Micah into the next antagonist
0:40 Micah's thoughts: I am gonna do some cruel finishing moves on Arthur in Chapter 6.
Interesting how this scene contains all the major antagonists in RDR1
Arthur just standing there looking fine as hell😅
Gay or something? "Not that theres anything wrong with that😅"
@@josiahgonzalez942 no diddy, everyone is on the spectrum for arthur, bro is majestic as hell ngl
@@Venom272X right!?? i'm a girl and ofc i also love him... but i know a guy that loves arthur too LOL, people need to normalize men calling other men handsome or majestic without immediately getting called gay
The animators did such a good job with the expressions in this game, matched with best of the best voice acting.
Of any game I’ve ever played, this one has the most character depth and emotional realism hands down.
0:10 is it just me or it is possible to hear Dutch's hands landing on his pants cloth, soflty after "Shady Belle"
@yourmother3819 i swear, maybe on headphones it works
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
@@eden20111 just the amount of details in the game
Probably the actor's hand hitting the mocap suit, likely not an intended detail but a great one nonetheless
Kinda weird that the mic would pick it up but I guess its because of how his head is positioned here
"I will kill for my family" has a double meaning depending on your understanding of the story. It could mean that he would kill to defend his family. It could also mean that he would kill to ensure the family remains a family, even if it means killing fellow gang members.
Thats probably exactly when Micah decided he was turn on them
i got a playthrough where Arthur is the the most vile creature on that boat
The moment Micah knew they were going nowhere with Dutch and decided to rat out the gangs to save himself.
I’ve said this for years and I’ll say it again
Most fans don’t understand micahs character at all
I absolutely agree
Yup. He isn't some cartoonishly evil psycho that just wants to kill everyone for fun. He was a true, genuine outlaw that knew they were in the business of making money first and foremost, not inflating the ego of a wannabe cult leader. Micah is one of the more realistic characters in the game. Realistically, far more characters should have been like him instead of the hybrid of cult-follower and commune-esque person that the rest of the gang were like.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Hes certainly an evil character mate, don’t get it twisted. All the evidence is there to show he is truly a disgusting human being.
However, I’m talking about the van der linde situation. He tells us what he was after in chapter 4, he wasn’t the rat from the beginning. He seen something within the gang and wanted 5/6 strong gunmen. Something the gang was more than capable of. So he wanted to disband the gang, he started to get into Dutch’s ear along with some of the others but it still wasn’t enough.
So when he got arrested by the Pinkertons he took the opportunity to finally disband the gang that way
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 John and Arthur were also aware of Dutch by chapter 4. But they both had a dynamic with Dutch that Micah lacked. John even questions Dutch prior to the Lemoyne Bank heist and tells Arthur that it seemed like Dutch left him to be arrested. Micah was the smartest one. He used Dutch as much as he could. He wanted him for a new score + Blackwater money. The moment Micah had the latter is probably the moment Dutch would die or get arrested by Pinkertons.
He's a bad man who at first joined the gang to, "survive." He was somewhat loyal to it, but once Dutch began to unravel who he truly was, he started to realize that staying with Dutch was a death sentence, but he couldn't just leave the gang because he was wanted, so the only thing he could do was rat out the gang. He didn't necessarily want to rat out the gang, but he'll do it without any question for his own survival. He respected Arthur, but that won't stop him from killing him for his own survival. He's basically a cruel and corrupted man who wants to survive because he doesn't believe there's anything else in life.
You‘re not playing as Arthur, you‘re playing as Jesus.
i think that shows that even with Micha being the "Bad Guy" he too had a soul and knew dutch had to be stopped
Mwa. I highly doubt Micah cared about Dutch should be stopped. But he saw through his BS like Arthur did. Except for Arthur's loyalty, Micah cares about survival, with or without Dutch. I honestly can't blame Micah. The Gang should have understood Dutch's bs by now and looked for an escape before chapter 6.
No, it's that he knows Dutch is lying.
This ocean is quite the tease for GTA 6's deeper sea parts.
Look at that goofy ahh rat bell with his worm beard
it looks kinda cool tho
He is handsome
The moment he decided he’d had enough of this ‘family’.
I do remember that Dutch would apparently write notes on his speeches in his tent and I like to imagine that Micah looked at Dutch with disgust cause he knows that Dutch rehearsed his lines, probably from sneaking around camp at night
Even micah was like wtf?
This was the exact moment Micah became Heisenberg. Bravo Arturo.
when dutch says something so planned you gotta hit him with the rat stare
Even though Micah was evil, his character design was so awesome and he could prob beat anyone in the gang in a gun fight
In a gunfight, Arthur beats him and I'd say John as well. Micah's up there though.
The game starts with Dutch saying he would die for his family. Then here he diminishes that to saying he'd kill for his family. Then at the end of the game he isn't even willing to risk his neck for his family.
It's a story about how a charismatic idealist gets pushed around so much, gives up on one ideal after another, until he's just another killer looking for a buck.
This is when he decided he was gonna rat, and try to split with whatever money they could get, before the Pinkertons finally raided camp
Its funny how in that boat four of them will be hunted by john 🗿
Honestly, I wish there was more to the game than what was released. I wish there was more build up between Micah and Arthur, to truly make the betrayal all the more gutwrenching.
Beware when someone in a position of power says that you're family to them.
Dutch is secretly a Life is Strange character
He knew he's gotta take this chance
man, i can play doom in the forehead of bill
Rewatching this scene knowing Micah became a rat after this, its making me think that Micah betrayed the gang(moreso specifically Dutch) because of this.
"OMG his face says so much."
Micah: ._.
Yep
Ill give Micah his credit here. At this point he is the only one who knows just how screwed this gang really is with Dutch.
Micah is the only one who can see completly through him. Thats doesnt justify what Micah does but Micah was probably the only one who wasnt a fool. Evil yes, fool no.
Micahs actions and attitude might be extremely deplorable, but at least he doesnt delude himself into thinking whatever hes doing is for some greater philosophical good like Dutch did.
Micah reads as 'Yeah right'
Bill reads 'I want to believe you but I'm not sure'
Arthur 'I've heard all of this shit before...'
*That's just a neutral stare in my opinion.*
Milton says that a little after this scene Micah makes a deal with the Pinkertons. Dude knew Dutch was cooked after this speach.
This was the moment Micah decided he would sell Dutch out given the opportunity
Great game, looks like real footage.
It's a really great looking game but it certainly does not look like real footage. Have a look outside.
Bro has never gone outside
graphics will never look like real life,
@@Fea_240 unreal engine 5 : allow me to introduce myself
If anyone wants to know the background music it’s Two Moons by Bobby Richards. Also great job on the video, the quality is truly something else!
Not just Micah. Everyone one of them were doubting him.
In a different perspective Micah is a good guy. He worked for a gang of murderers and he got arrested. He realised the gang is going down hill so he helps the government try to take down a gang. He had the balls to be an inside agent as well.
Wtf?
more like an anti-hero
Nah he ain't a good guy. He would be if he started living a normal, clean life, like John did. But he went on to form his own little gang (and even murdered a family)
@@believer431 Murdering families is what the Van der Linde gang did, lol. It's nothing new to the Outlaw life.
Micah ain't killing for his family he killing his family himself lmao
0:44 never noticed on my first playthrough but Arthur already looks ill from the tuberculosis here if you mind the sunburn his eyes are being to sink in, they are also bloodshot his wrinkles are more noticable and he's definitely thinner compared to chapter 1 and 2
I noticed his eyes were beginning to sink a little by the end of 3 but it looked like exhaustion.
Everyone on that boat are antagonist and only one protagonist Arthur
This is when Micah decided the gang was destined to fail under ditches leadership and that he would be better off opening his mouth to the government.
Honestly i just thought micah was pissed off because he wasnt just telling him so he could have something interesting to say about arthur because the ammount of times i have played it and micah always hated arthur because he was smarter an knew what to say too dutch and thats where he wanted to be at so he could talk behind the whole gangs back an make them all betray eachother which sadly he did
One thing we didn't notice of. It was about the facial expressions throughout the game but everything got too fast that we could not enjoy it.