"The Digital future, ladies and gentlemen." Thanks for that. Completely true. As soon as companies decide to remove their game, that game is no longer yours.
Hence why piracy will never go away. Piracy is where you go when you can't actually purchase a game. Wolfenstein (2009), Heretic II, Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition, American McGee's Alice, etc.. Even Deadpool (2013) can't be purchased digitally anymore. PC players have been dealing with this for a long time.
Bethesda. Anything they put their hands on, even if it wasn't developed by them, manage to be buggy garbage. They even managed to fuck up their own site when Fallout 76 came out
@@iamnid Being $5 isn't an excuse for failing to properly port a 25+ year old game to modern hardware. Especially when amateur homebrew ports far outshine the official version. It's especially disappointing because not only is everything but the resolution worse than the original version, the Steam version of Doom 3 BFG Edition includes Doom 1 & 2 and costs $20, the same total cost of buying all three on console, but lacks ANY of the issues the new ports have. Looks great, sounds great, plays great, and no Bethesda login. If they could get it right years ago, why have they managed to screw it up now? And why do they expect people to pay again for an inferior version? It's just sad, really.
I never had an Xbox but would love to hear about that system's port of Doom 3. How did Vicarious Visions, a studio that until then made its name on the GBA Tony Hawk games, pull off such a technical feat?
You should mention that the original Doom 3 BFG edition for PC/360/PS3 included Ultimate Doom and Doom II, better versions without DRM even. Thanks a lot, Bethesda!
There's also classic complete collection on ps3 with doom 1 doom 2 (master levels and new rest for the living for XBLA port) and final doom in its entirety
People always blame Bethesda, but ZeniMax Media are the corporate overlords pulling everyone's strings. They are the ones who own id Software, Arkane, Machine Games as well as Bethesda Game Studios
That's actually not true. I have the have the BFG Edition on PC and it's just as bad. The only thing that's better is the speed of the music but the variable sound effect pitch problem is still very much present and the music instruments sound terrible. The OG Xbox version that comes with the Doom 3 expansion is the best console port of vanilla Doom 1 and 2 even though it still suffers quite a bit with the sound effects variable pitch and the music is still slow but the instruments are much better. There's yet to be a perfect port of vanilla Doom to a console. It's really sad that all of the unofficial ports on PC have been doing it right for well over a decade.
The original Doom source code couples the lighting on flats (floors and ceilings) with the screen resolution. Every source port that implemented higher resolutions had to fix this or else the lighting looks weird. I am 99% sure that these classic Doom ports didn't re-fix this ancient bug.
I got it at launch on PC and it was 🤯 at the time, best version though I played a couple of years ago now was the BFG on PC with the VR mod, if you ever get the chance that's the way, inside the horror is another level.
Doom 3 looks great, definitely picking it up on switch. Not touching 1 & 2 until at least the audio is fixed. Really wish they had of nailed these ports..
This future is so disappointing. It's 2019 and we still haven't been to Mars, we still don't have flying cars, and we still get broken console ports of Doom.
Up until the Xbox 360 conversions of Doom. Almost every port wasn’t an exact replica of the PC version. Bethesda is so dog shit, they brought back the unfaithful port. What a meme.
@@Skellotronix No meme is correct in this context. "You" are devolving your vocabulary after internet children. The word "meme" wasn't invented on the internet. You aren't a Richard Dawkins fan are you? In fact this is exactly what meme typically would refer to. Joke would imply that it was intentional for laughs, that's not what this is.
13:47 is why I'll always try and buy physical editions of all games as long as it's possible. Not letting you access something anymore that you legally bought it just straight up criminal.
@@cannedpiss5178 Yeah, and to top it off the community made better ports (for pretty much all platforms and even some more unusual machines), since the engine is open the player only needs to grab an original .wad
Keep in mind that all the versions you’ve seen/played any time recently probably aren’t the original but source ports themselves. Don’t think you actually want to play at 320x240 resolution :p
I was expecting Doom 3 just to be a simple 1080p upscale from the BFG edition I wasn’t expecting it to be a native 4K60fps release on X and Pro. Will be picking it up now. Also please do a retro on Doom 3 it deserves it’s time in the spotlight.
I like the idea of a Doom 3 DF Retro, but since you've already done analysis on the BFG editions, what about an idTech 4 episode looking at Doom 3, Quake 4 and Prey? EDIT: And Wolfenstein '09! (Do we care about Brink? :P)
Literally 2 days before they released this set, I was inspired to set out on a mission to find my long lost Doom 3 disc 1, which I had lost for over a decade. I found it inside an IDE CD-ROM drive I had put it storage and was so happy I could play it again...I was thinking I was the only person in the world thinking of playing the game, then a few days later this set hits and people are talking about Doom 3 again, awesome
PLEASE do another video on these ports! A much needed patch is finally here and helps with ALOT of the issues. No more awful stretched image just to name one of them
Changing sample rates also changes the pitch of the music. That'd mean that they played back the midi at the right speed but at a higher pitch and corrected this by increasing sample rate. An odd problem because why would a midi file play back at a higher pitch? You'd have to load it into a DAW! SFX are really muffled too and the login stuff (and problem with waking from sleep) kinda sour my first playthrough of Doom :( . It's neat to finally see Doom 2016s roots though! That's one of my favourite games on Switch.
lol @ people defending the "all digital future" It's basically like spreading it wide and lubing yourself for the publishers Same goes for needing servers to run single player games
I've actually had people tell me they don't mind paying more for digital versions because they don't have to change a disc 🤦♂️ And they won't even be able to trade/lend/sell their games . .
Valve have still not given me a reason to distrust them, I've had Steam from Beta and over the years many games I bought have left the store but i can still download and play them, I just increase HD size too over the years, sat at 32TB and just keep all my games installed so they will always be there in 0 and 1's.
Ignorant. Services like GOG show all-digital works perfectly fine. It's the fact people like you totally miss the problem that allows them to get away with these issues. Bear in mind that whether it's on a CD, cartridge, or your hard drive, it's all the same code. DRM is still found on discs.
@@wing0zero Ever heard about torrents? all the games, online, not demanding any online connection. Even if you have all your steam games saved somewhere, you will not be able to launch them leagally without steam.
The original Doom is also playable on the Samsung Smart Fridge, an ATM machine, a Leap Frog children’s toy computer, a calculator, and even a printer. The last one runs it poorly though. It would be crazy to see a Digital Foundry breakdown of the unofficial Internet of Things Doom ports.
ahhh Doom 3, one of my most favorite games! I was lucky enough to play the original version where you had to switch between Flashlight and gun. some didn't like it but it definitely added more suspense and difficulty imo.
With the latest patch (as of 2024.08) this console version is P E R F E C T. Have full co-op and versus online multiplayer support , all mods and maps, etc. 4K 120 fps on PS5 & XBOX X.
You just sold me DOOM 3 on Xbox One X. I'll have the game for the third time then. (Xbox, 360 and now X). I love it. And I'd love a DF Retro episode on DOOM 3 as well!
I’d love a DOOM 3 DF Retro - what I’d also love is a DF Retro (maybe the same one) that also discusses Deus Ex Invisible War. I says this because it released the year before and actually had more rudimentary forms of many of the new techniques that Doom 3 made so big. It’s a divisive game too, but I think an analysis of it could go well with a broader analysis of all the new GeForce 3-enabled bells and whistles.
I found couple of graphical glitches in Doom II. In "Barrels of Fun", there is a place, where staircase glitches into the floor. The same problem appears in "The Abbyss" (that level with narrow walkways), where again, floor glitches with the walls.
Sure I'm a PC player, but I would love to get some more options in games, especially for the Switch, being able to choose resolution, framerate, and certain quality settigns. I mean 540p30fps for Doom3 isn't bad if it would allow for greatly improved battery life. In docked mode I would love to lower it to 900p or 720p for better performance, especially since the game uses very clean textured geometry. The aliasing and shimmering is kept to a minimum even at lower resolutions.
They've updated Doom 1&2! I've only played a couple minutes so far but I can definitely say that the music is better! Would love to see a future update video on it! Edit: Played a bit more and I can say that the lighting is improved. Still, they need to add multible aspect ratios and border selection. If they do then this will be a good version of Doom 1&2.
I was at that E3 when they first showed off Doom 3. It was in this tiny 30 person theater. I remember walking out of it saying to my brother "That was stupid. All they showed were a bunch pre-rendered cutscenes and no gameplay." My brother then looked at me and said "Dude, all of that was real time, there were no cutscenes." My brain exploded.
I'm not too concerned with the performance of Doom 3 on Switch. It looks to hold 60fps and playable framerates often enough for me to consider it a solid conversion, and even taking into account the performance drops, Panic Button has very consistently supported their Switch ports long-term with various iterative patches that smooth out various performance hiccups. Rocket League used to run at lower resolutions and exhibit framerate drops, but it runs a locked 60fps now and averages higher framerates. DOOM 2016 and especially Wolfenstein: The New Order had their dynamic resolution and performance adjusted significantly over time and both games are much more solid on the platform now. Panic Button is more than likely going to give Doom 3 the same treatment and patch up performance more and more as time goes on. If you're skeptical of the Switch version currently (I'm not, personally), I'd say give it a few months and see how things change when Panic Button starts releasing patches.
It's definitely a decent conversion, but the framerate dropping drastically in certain rooms/down long hallsways etc. is definitely jarring. It never enters unplayable territory, but it seems like it should be hitting a locked 60 more often.
The music slowdown in Doom 1 and 2 is not an incorrect sampling rate setting. If it were the music would be pitched down. But it's in exactly the same key/pitch as the music recorded at the proper speed. They just screwed up.
Yeah, Nerve based their ports of Doom 1 and 2 on the BFG edition of these games in Doom 3: BFG Edition, hence the Pill icon on the stimpack and medkits rather than the red cross. It had been updated to feature a Green Cross, which is what youtuber Dwars wanted
XBOXRULES Go back into your troll cave. The Switch-version is fine and totally playable. Yes-yes it's not running Doom 3 in 4K with 240 FPS but since it's just a portable device 720p with around 60 FPS is totally okay. 👍
@@solid_snake9708 No, it is not, just an occasional stutter in the bigger environments. I'm sure panic button will correct this in a patch. It looks amazing in handheld.
Man I remember the original reveal of Doom 3, and it wasn’t long before the Beta got leaked on the internet and everyone went crazy. 14 years later and it’s running on a handheld whilst my PC was struggling to play it at the time (I had a ATi Radeon 9800 Pro at the time).
Not even the correct aspect ratio in 2019. Did anyone porting this play doom? The 360 port 11 years ago has more features with achievements and online play too.
Yeah. Even the ps3 ver DooM Classic Complete was better. MINUS the lower resolution. Plus it was ONLY $15 for doom1,2,doom2 master levels AND final doom
Awesome video good to see Doom 3 love is still out there :) The reason I think the shield version is running slower is most likely because at the time the shield version was released the BFG version most likely didn't have the source code upgrade for Vulkan which has been done now by a member at id around the time the quake source was updated, so the console versions most likely have that update.
Because GZDoom isn't owned by Bethesda nor id Software? I mean Christoph Oelckers would definitely give the code for GZDoom for an official console port but Bethesda is Bethesda, there is still homebrew but there are just as many downsides as there are benefits, but now since release the ports are fine and definitely viable but if you have even a potato PC GZDoom will run perfectly even with overhaul mods
I'm surprised they removed player muzzle flash from BFG edition (and subsequently this Switch port), I'm also amazed that DF of all places neglected to mention this.
Essentially... A more stable version of the BFG Edition of Doom 3 (which had the same issues with it's variant of Doom & Doom 2)... Cash cow for the next gen consoles. If anyone wants a decent version of the original Doom games, get the GZDoom or QZDoom emulation port on a PC & blast away in 2D glory at your heart's content.
Just here to tell y'all that I beat doom 3 on a laptop, running at 20-40fps using the laptops built in mousepad. That was the level of desperation I had when my pc went boom. That's it, that's all I got.
Apparently, an ESRB rating for Doom 64 on PS4 was spotted and removed quick enough. Hope that happens. With Doom 3 and her ports, along with the newest ports and stuff like Doom 64 EX out there, I think a DF Retro: Doom - Part 2 is in order for sure
I remember how Doom 3 punched my WinFast GeForce 4 Ti 4400 hard… 1024x768 at less than 30 fps constantly… Urgh… And, of course, I'd love to see a DF Retro on Doom 3, John, but Lost importantly, the Panzer Dragoon Saga & Orta FIRST, please!! 😁
@@nickmotsarsky4382 Yeah, fact is I was with a 19" DiamondTron CRT with 1280x1024 as the basic resolution. 800x600 was really pixellated on that monitor back then…
Definitely do a DF retro on Doom3 and its various ports. I have a book, from ID itself, about how they made the game and I find it fascinating. Your in-depth DF Retro videos are great and Doom 3 would be excellent subject matter.
I'm more surprised they left Doom 1 and 2 in 16:10 instead of using the anamorphic 4:3 that was intended. yes with the first 2 doom games you cannot have square pixels without an incorrect aspect ratio.
Totally picking 3 on Switch for a sale or something. 1 and 2 should be played in a PC only. Without user maps and source ports you miss most of the experience by playing them on console.
the sound effects quality is fine, they are using a sample rate of 11025hz just like og doom. and the sound pitch shift was (unintentionally) removed in doom 1.4, and in an interview to romero they asked about that and he was glad that happened because he never liked the idea.
Thanks for producing this video! I was so excited for the current gen releases until seeing this. I'll stick with my Xbox 360 BFG Edition for the trilogy. One question, does DOOM 3 now have subtitles this gen?
Patch was released today and fixed the music speed and lightning problems only. Aspect ratio, fps, double pixels in width are the same, without online multiplayer LOL. I 'll give up on this port I think.
Seeing DOOM 3, again, kinda makes me want a ray-traced re-release. That game relied so much on lighting, and ray-tracing is the evolution of that games visual style. Of course some parts, I'd imagine wouldn't work so well, but it'd still be something I'd like to experience. Also no, a reshade trick won't cut it.
"The Digital future, ladies and gentlemen."
Thanks for that. Completely true. As soon as companies decide to remove their game, that game is no longer yours.
And they get to keep your money.
Well, tell that to the ediots who think digital is better than physical
the day it goes all digital I think I'll just play retro. it's why I've kept all my consoles and rarely trade in any of my games now
Well, if you download it they cant take it off your hard drive that’d be illegal. Stop spreading BS
Hence why piracy will never go away. Piracy is where you go when you can't actually purchase a game. Wolfenstein (2009), Heretic II, Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition, American McGee's Alice, etc..
Even Deadpool (2013) can't be purchased digitally anymore.
PC players have been dealing with this for a long time.
How is it even possible to mess up literally everything with the doom 1 and 2 ports, I'm speechless.
It's clearly a lazy cash grab port and not something made by real fans interested in satisfying their core audience.
Bethesda, need I say more?
Bethesda. Anything they put their hands on, even if it wasn't developed by them, manage to be buggy garbage. They even managed to fuck up their own site when Fallout 76 came out
@@iamnid Being $5 isn't an excuse for failing to properly port a 25+ year old game to modern hardware. Especially when amateur homebrew ports far outshine the official version. It's especially disappointing because not only is everything but the resolution worse than the original version, the Steam version of Doom 3 BFG Edition includes Doom 1 & 2 and costs $20, the same total cost of buying all three on console, but lacks ANY of the issues the new ports have. Looks great, sounds great, plays great, and no Bethesda login. If they could get it right years ago, why have they managed to screw it up now? And why do they expect people to pay again for an inferior version? It's just sad, really.
Never doubt the incompetence and greed of Bethesda.
I would love to hear you talk about the different versions of Doom 3.
Same. I wanna see whats up with the Xbox port
@X x X Could have AT LEAST had an option for "Classic mode"
@@tonybamanabonitomatopowers6057 I have it on PC and Xbox, and for the hardware, the Xbox punches above its weight, really surprising.
Tony Bamanaboni [TomatoPowers]
It lacks levels, and the co-op is even shorter, but holy shit is it fun with a friend.
I never had an Xbox but would love to hear about that system's port of Doom 3. How did Vicarious Visions, a studio that until then made its name on the GBA Tony Hawk games, pull off such a technical feat?
F.E.A.R. needs a re-launch to the new generation like this
the people need to play it again
Satinuke I totally agree
I would rather play Condemned Criminal Origins on Switch
Amen
Yes
And stalker
For a game written for Pentium era PCs, Doom 3 looks very impressive. The graphics hold up very well.
Those human models though...
@John Dela Cruz bad models and textures perhaps but amazing lighting (or maybe it's just how the lighting is used)
John Dela Cruz literally no one thought that
John Dela Cruz Stop pretending you weren’t impressed back then.
Looks like a modern game if you dont look closely hehe
DOOM3 DF Retro? Sign me up, and call me old, John!
And be sure to drop Carmack a note!
seconded!
Hell Yeah!!!
Yup, I vote for this!
@@SoulStorm360 Absolutely! I recall doom3 and the orange box, being amazing from a technical achievement standpoint, respectively, on that hardware.
You should mention that the original Doom 3 BFG edition for PC/360/PS3 included Ultimate Doom and Doom II, better versions without DRM even. Thanks a lot, Bethesda!
There's also classic complete collection on ps3 with doom 1 doom 2 (master levels and new rest for the living for XBLA port) and final doom in its entirety
Yeah i gonna pick up doom 3bfg for xbox one. Its cheeper and better option.
People always blame Bethesda, but ZeniMax Media are the corporate overlords pulling everyone's strings. They are the ones who own id Software, Arkane, Machine Games as well as Bethesda Game Studios
@@jackkoffin1 PREACH BROTHER
That's actually not true. I have the have the BFG Edition on PC and it's just as bad. The only thing that's better is the speed of the music but the variable sound effect pitch problem is still very much present and the music instruments sound terrible. The OG Xbox version that comes with the Doom 3 expansion is the best console port of vanilla Doom 1 and 2 even though it still suffers quite a bit with the sound effects variable pitch and the music is still slow but the instruments are much better. There's yet to be a perfect port of vanilla Doom to a console. It's really sad that all of the unofficial ports on PC have been doing it right for well over a decade.
The original Doom source code couples the lighting on flats (floors and ceilings) with the screen resolution. Every source port that implemented higher resolutions had to fix this or else the lighting looks weird. I am 99% sure that these classic Doom ports didn't re-fix this ancient bug.
Lesson of the day:
Panic Button should have made the ports of Doom & Doom II
Doom 3 wqs based off it's BFG Edition anyway, so Bethesda wanted Nerve to do Doom 1 and 2
As someone who played Doom 3 on release, the fact you can now play in it 720p at 60fps on a handheld is just wild to me!
If you wait 25 years you'll be able to play everything at a higher resolution on a handheld. In 2043 you can play RDR3 in 8k on a handheld if you want
@@mpforeverunlimited who knows. Maybe rdr3 is not even gonna exist
@@leonard3374
Since read dead online basically flopped take two probably won’t let rockstar make an rdr3
I’d be down for a doom 3 df retro. Would love to know more about the Xbox port
It was awesome.
I got it at launch on PC and it was 🤯 at the time, best version though I played a couple of years ago now was the BFG on PC with the VR mod, if you ever get the chance that's the way, inside the horror is another level.
Doom 3 for Xbox. Still very impressive
I just played through it again
I imagine it's much like Half-Life 2 on Xbox.
Doom 3 looks great, definitely picking it up on switch. Not touching 1 & 2 until at least the audio is fixed. Really wish they had of nailed these ports..
I don't understand why they wouldn't have had Panic Button do the ports for all 3 games?
Wow, Panic Button is so ridiculously talented they are literally overwhelmed with their workload now..
@@vio2112 yeah if only panic button did all of the ports
Im getting all 3 but not playing 1 and 2 until they fixed
@@personalcompertest wouldn't it make sense to hold off until they actually fix it?
2019 - Still having issues porting a game from 1993. I don't even think bethesda knows how the BFG works either.
This future is so disappointing. It's 2019 and we still haven't been to Mars, we still don't have flying cars, and we still get broken console ports of Doom.
You were a disappointment
But we have gender theory, yay
@@Messier_-82 what's that?
doom 64 is th best version of doom and its console release ,altho doom EX on Pc is a direct emulation of that
Up until the Xbox 360 conversions of Doom. Almost every port wasn’t an exact replica of the PC version. Bethesda is so dog shit, they brought back the unfaithful port. What a meme.
Joke* not everything is a "meme" Why do you devolve vocabulary after internet children?
Oblivionyx My question is why has everyone forgotten the awesome things Bethesda has done? After a few mistakes people act like they’re EA
Noah Da. Ark fallout 76
Pro Token420 is it still one mess after another.
@@Skellotronix No meme is correct in this context. "You" are devolving your vocabulary after internet children. The word "meme" wasn't invented on the internet. You aren't a Richard Dawkins fan are you? In fact this is exactly what meme typically would refer to. Joke would imply that it was intentional for laughs, that's not what this is.
I would absolutely LOVE a Doom 3 port comparison on DF Retro
13:47 is why I'll always try and buy physical editions of all games as long as it's possible. Not letting you access something anymore that you legally bought it just straight up criminal.
or just emulate LUL, i also forgot how bad doom 1/2 looks compared to doom 64 ( AKA the best doom )
oof, hope you didn't get the ps4
More games should invest in crazy lighting engines because damn does this early 2000s game look fantastic
At this point, I won't accept anything less than the best/definitive version of the original DOOM. Such a massive bummer.
I mean, you shouldn't be getting anything less than definitive; DOOM has been out for 26 years for christ's sake... how do you fuck it up this bad?
@@cannedpiss5178 Yeah, and to top it off the community made better ports (for pretty much all platforms and even some more unusual machines), since the engine is open the player only needs to grab an original .wad
I mean that's the PC version...
Keep in mind that all the versions you’ve seen/played any time recently probably aren’t the original but source ports themselves. Don’t think you actually want to play at 320x240 resolution :p
@Mr. Wapojif Entitled? Oof...
I was expecting Doom 3 just to be a simple 1080p upscale from the BFG edition I wasn’t expecting it to be a native 4K60fps release on X and Pro. Will be picking it up now. Also please do a retro on Doom 3 it deserves it’s time in the spotlight.
I like the idea of a Doom 3 DF Retro, but since you've already done analysis on the BFG editions, what about an idTech 4 episode looking at Doom 3, Quake 4 and Prey?
EDIT: And Wolfenstein '09! (Do we care about Brink? :P)
Don't forget Wolfenstein 2009 which used the Doom 3 engine.
Quake 4 is my shit!!!!! Great game. Wish they woould make a new campaign game
@@ThorStoneGaming Good call! I felt like there was a game I left out.
Don't forget Enemy Territory: Quake Wars!
@@rio-cacodemon Quake Wars used an early version of the Rage engine, complete with megatextures.
Using the DUSK soundtrack as background music? 10/10 video.
Deadly.
Literally 2 days before they released this set, I was inspired to set out on a mission to find my long lost Doom 3 disc 1, which I had lost for over a decade. I found it inside an IDE CD-ROM drive I had put it storage and was so happy I could play it again...I was thinking I was the only person in the world thinking of playing the game, then a few days later this set hits and people are talking about Doom 3 again, awesome
PLEASE do another video on these ports! A much needed patch is finally here and helps with ALOT of the issues. No more awful stretched image just to name one of them
Changing sample rates also changes the pitch of the music. That'd mean that they played back the midi at the right speed but at a higher pitch and corrected this by increasing sample rate. An odd problem because why would a midi file play back at a higher pitch? You'd have to load it into a DAW!
SFX are really muffled too and the login stuff (and problem with waking from sleep) kinda sour my first playthrough of Doom :( .
It's neat to finally see Doom 2016s roots though! That's one of my favourite games on Switch.
It's still a ton of fun on switch but the problems are super annoying. They need to fix it.
couldnt care less about these nitpicks. Sure, PC doom will always be the best, but I have an amazing game on my ps4 and I couldnt be happier about it.
@@motorcycleman115 Sure, I'd rather have this than nothing at all for sure, but still hope they work on it a bit more.
lol @ people defending the "all digital future"
It's basically like spreading it wide and lubing yourself for the publishers
Same goes for needing servers to run single player games
I've actually had people tell me they don't mind paying more for digital versions because they don't have to change a disc 🤦♂️ And they won't even be able to trade/lend/sell their games . .
Valve have still not given me a reason to distrust them, I've had Steam from Beta and over the years many games I bought have left the store but i can still download and play them, I just increase HD size too over the years, sat at 32TB and just keep all my games installed so they will always be there in 0 and 1's.
+1. Fuck this "future". We need 0hysycal release
Ignorant. Services like GOG show all-digital works perfectly fine. It's the fact people like you totally miss the problem that allows them to get away with these issues. Bear in mind that whether it's on a CD, cartridge, or your hard drive, it's all the same code. DRM is still found on discs.
@@wing0zero Ever heard about torrents? all the games, online, not demanding any online connection. Even if you have all your steam games saved somewhere, you will not be able to launch them leagally without steam.
Developed by Nerve softwares?so does it use Eva tecnology?
god's in his heaven, all's right with the world.
Nah, ports this bad must be Seele's work.
Wow. Nice freaking comment, man. XD. You took me back to that show.
The original Doom is also playable on the Samsung Smart Fridge, an ATM machine, a Leap Frog children’s toy computer, a calculator, and even a printer. The last one runs it poorly though. It would be crazy to see a Digital Foundry breakdown of the unofficial Internet of Things Doom ports.
Looks like the default level of quality for Bethesda
The slow music drove me nuts in the Xbla version.
ahhh Doom 3, one of my most favorite games! I was lucky enough to play the original version where you had to switch between Flashlight and gun. some didn't like it but it definitely added more suspense and difficulty imo.
With the latest patch (as of 2024.08) this console version is P E R F E C T. Have full co-op and versus online multiplayer support , all mods and maps, etc. 4K 120 fps on PS5 & XBOX X.
I definitely want a Doom 3 DF Retro. I had Doom 3 on PC with an Athlon XP and a 9800 pro, and the Xbox version and loved them all.
"The digital future ladies and gentlemen." My worry as well.
I'm glad you guys took a look at this one. The xxx page doesn't mention that it's a 4K title. Now I'll pick it up.
1:48 WHOA nice editing! I'm going to check out some more videos from this channel simply because of it.
DF Retro of Doom 3 will be interesting.
'Sound normally' -> Expensive Roland synth. We need some OPL3 soundblaster goodness :)
Make it a toggle option for us old school PC Doomguys
pixelflow
Adlib for life.
Why would you play Doom today with inferior sound unless you were just going for pure nostalgia on a PC.
@@LettersAndNumbers300 Praise be the FM synthesis!
You just sold me DOOM 3 on Xbox One X. I'll have the game for the third time then. (Xbox, 360 and now X). I love it. And I'd love a DF Retro episode on DOOM 3 as well!
You don't have it for PC?
@@powerfulaura5166 No, I've never played seriously on PC (only have a laptop for work). My gaming is done on consoles.
Who is the graphics of doom3 in x box one compere to 360?
@@ubersoldier71 The same 60 fps but the resolution is higher on Xbox One X. So the picture is cleaner. It holds up surprisingly well to this day.
@@gabor-toth thank you very much I'll definitely buy it! The trophies or achievements are the same as Xbox 360?
I’d love-love-LOVE to see you guys do a video on Doom 3 and it’s various versions!
I’d love a DOOM 3 DF Retro - what I’d also love is a DF Retro (maybe the same one) that also discusses Deus Ex Invisible War. I says this because it released the year before and actually had more rudimentary forms of many of the new techniques that Doom 3 made so big. It’s a divisive game too, but I think an analysis of it could go well with a broader analysis of all the new GeForce 3-enabled bells and whistles.
three of the best games ever made. still waiting on that 64 port
I found couple of graphical glitches in Doom II. In "Barrels of Fun", there is a place, where staircase glitches into the floor. The same problem appears in "The Abbyss" (that level with narrow walkways), where again, floor glitches with the walls.
Sure I'm a PC player, but I would love to get some more options in games, especially for the Switch, being able to choose resolution, framerate, and certain quality settigns. I mean 540p30fps for Doom3 isn't bad if it would allow for greatly improved battery life. In docked mode I would love to lower it to 900p or 720p for better performance, especially since the game uses very clean textured geometry. The aliasing and shimmering is kept to a minimum even at lower resolutions.
They've updated Doom 1&2! I've only played a couple minutes so far but I can definitely say that the music is better! Would love to see a future update video on it!
Edit: Played a bit more and I can say that the lighting is improved. Still, they need to add multible aspect ratios and border selection. If they do then this will be a good version of Doom 1&2.
This is what I've been waiting for
Same
I hear that DUSK music, I see you are a man of culture as well
I was at that E3 when they first showed off Doom 3. It was in this tiny 30 person theater. I remember walking out of it saying to my brother "That was stupid. All they showed were a bunch pre-rendered cutscenes and no gameplay." My brother then looked at me and said "Dude, all of that was real time, there were no cutscenes." My brain exploded.
Nice!
So, they updated the ports of doom 1 & 2 and I think it’s worth another look, especially with the 60fps and visual enhancements.
I'm not too concerned with the performance of Doom 3 on Switch. It looks to hold 60fps and playable framerates often enough for me to consider it a solid conversion, and even taking into account the performance drops, Panic Button has very consistently supported their Switch ports long-term with various iterative patches that smooth out various performance hiccups. Rocket League used to run at lower resolutions and exhibit framerate drops, but it runs a locked 60fps now and averages higher framerates. DOOM 2016 and especially Wolfenstein: The New Order had their dynamic resolution and performance adjusted significantly over time and both games are much more solid on the platform now.
Panic Button is more than likely going to give Doom 3 the same treatment and patch up performance more and more as time goes on. If you're skeptical of the Switch version currently (I'm not, personally), I'd say give it a few months and see how things change when Panic Button starts releasing patches.
It's definitely a decent conversion, but the framerate dropping drastically in certain rooms/down long hallsways etc. is definitely jarring. It never enters unplayable territory, but it seems like it should be hitting a locked 60 more often.
Doom 3 and Ninja Gaiden on Xbox were incredible back then for me. I was legit blown away by them.
The music slowdown in Doom 1 and 2 is not an incorrect sampling rate setting. If it were the music would be pitched down. But it's in exactly the same key/pitch as the music recorded at the proper speed. They just screwed up.
The only bad news is they have yet to port DOOM 64!!! SERIOUSLY BETHESDA/ID SOFTWARE, I'M BEGGING YOU, BRING DOOM 64 TO THE PS4!!!
maybe even final doom
"We will let you play doom64...with your friends! Doom76+!!!"
Collin Fat Man Adams Oh heck yeah
March 20 2020
@@eckteckteckk171 Hell yeah, man! I'm super excited!!!
Still holding out for a df retro for Doom 3...
Yeah, Nerve based their ports of Doom 1 and 2 on the BFG edition of these games in Doom 3: BFG Edition, hence the Pill icon on the stimpack and medkits rather than the red cross.
It had been updated to feature a Green Cross, which is what youtuber Dwars wanted
You didn't have to use Aubrey Hodges' Playstation Doom soundtrack, but you did, and that's why you're awesome John.
So basically, buy Doom 3 on Switch, but not Doom 1 and 2. Truly an upside down moment here, but eh! Good to know.
@@toad8840 He's a troll. At least Doom 3 looks nice and doesn't require the stupid log in crap.
XBOXRULES Go back into your troll cave. The Switch-version is fine and totally playable. Yes-yes it's not running Doom 3 in 4K with 240 FPS but since it's just a portable device 720p with around 60 FPS is totally okay. 👍
@XBOXRULES I can't, you deleted your comment, which proves the point.
To be fair the switch port of Doom 3 IS garbage.
@@solid_snake9708 No, it is not, just an occasional stutter in the bigger environments. I'm sure panic button will correct this in a patch. It looks amazing in handheld.
Man I remember the original reveal of Doom 3, and it wasn’t long before the Beta got leaked on the internet and everyone went crazy. 14 years later and it’s running on a handheld whilst my PC was struggling to play it at the time (I had a ATi Radeon 9800 Pro at the time).
4:18 The legendary 1920x1080 CRT monitor.
Not even the correct aspect ratio in 2019. Did anyone porting this play doom? The 360 port 11 years ago has more features with achievements and online play too.
Yeah. Even the ps3 ver DooM Classic Complete was better. MINUS the lower resolution. Plus it was ONLY $15 for doom1,2,doom2 master levels AND final doom
Gladly I got the 360 version while on sale. Not Doom II thought, but I don’t really wanna play that...
@@leomariano2735 it's on ps3 also. Classic complete. $15
All of these have achievements.
Bought that port years ago and it's awful the music and sound is a glitchy mess.
You neglected to mention that that the new Doom ports are also using sloppily censored WADs.
They cant do anything about the red cross.... itll be that way for now on. Idk why you say the neglected to mention that
Great job guys. I’m thinking of downloading doom 3 on the Switch.
VeganGames Noooo! Doom 3 is lame! Just get the first and second one haha
@@greyzone1996 it's not bad, it's just a little diferent compared to the other Doom games.
@@radrares4056 he's joking...Doom 3 is great survival horror. Not painkiller style.
@@darkwing5458 omg painkiller on switch would be so cool
Just did the same, and I like your name.
Doom 3 isn't lame, it's still a great game!
I’d love to see that DF Retro episode focusing on the Xbox port of DOOM 3 (and maybe also Resurrection of Evil)
Awesome video good to see Doom 3 love is still out there :)
The reason I think the shield version is running slower is most likely because at the time the shield version was released the BFG version most likely didn't have the source code upgrade for Vulkan which has been done now by a member at id around the time the quake source was updated, so the console versions most likely have that update.
I feel like I wait a (Doom) eternity for Digital Foundry to have its way with Switch ports like these after their release
Digital Foundry: The games industry's unofficial Quality Control team.
I know this video is old but you nailed it... seeing it run like that on the switch is just something else for anyone that lived through it.
If the music issue were a sampling rate problem the music pitch would be off. It's not. It was just recorded too slowly for whatever reason.
Meh. Why don't they just port GZDoom and let people buy the original if they really want to offer a solution on console?
Because GZDoom isn't owned by Bethesda nor id Software? I mean Christoph Oelckers would definitely give the code for GZDoom for an official console port but Bethesda is Bethesda, there is still homebrew but there are just as many downsides as there are benefits, but now since release the ports are fine and definitely viable but if you have even a potato PC GZDoom will run perfectly even with overhaul mods
aww, this video reminded me of Aussie50 and his ATM port of DOOM. RIP.
I'm surprised they removed player muzzle flash from BFG edition (and subsequently this Switch port), I'm also amazed that DF of all places neglected to mention this.
Essentially... A more stable version of the BFG Edition of Doom 3 (which had the same issues with it's variant of Doom & Doom 2)...
Cash cow for the next gen consoles.
If anyone wants a decent version of the original Doom games, get the GZDoom or QZDoom emulation port on a PC & blast away in 2D glory at your heart's content.
Zandronum ain’t bad either
Just here to tell y'all that I beat doom 3 on a laptop, running at 20-40fps using the laptops built in mousepad.
That was the level of desperation I had when my pc went boom. That's it, that's all I got.
Native 4k 60fps probably looks super crisp for Doom 3 BFG edition as it’s a fantastic looking game even today all these years later…….
we need Quake collection as well, I want my Quake 4 remaster and where is Quake 5 ? 🤔🍺
Quake champions is quake 5
Guess I'm still sticking with the PC version then, where it really matters.
Apparently, an ESRB rating for Doom 64 on PS4 was spotted and removed quick enough. Hope that happens. With Doom 3 and her ports, along with the newest ports and stuff like Doom 64 EX out there, I think a DF Retro: Doom - Part 2 is in order for sure
02:32 After all these years, shooting a barrel just to watch an enemy erupt into a pile of good is still satisfying as ever.
I remember how Doom 3 punched my WinFast GeForce 4 Ti 4400 hard… 1024x768 at less than 30 fps constantly… Urgh…
And, of course, I'd love to see a DF Retro on Doom 3, John, but Lost importantly, the Panzer Dragoon Saga & Orta FIRST, please!! 😁
800x600 should have still been fine.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 Yeah, fact is I was with a 19" DiamondTron CRT with 1280x1024 as the basic resolution. 800x600 was really pixellated on that monitor back then…
Mmmm someone likes the DUSK soundtrack
Hell yeah.
2:00 ..seems like a step down.. i see what you did there, nice editing!
Enjoying the hell out of Doom 3 on my One X, still my favorite Doom (sue me :P)
Thanks for the release Bethesda.
And thanks to Panic Button. ✌🏻
Definitely do a DF retro on Doom3 and its various ports. I have a book, from ID itself, about how they made the game and I find it fascinating. Your in-depth DF Retro videos are great and Doom 3 would be excellent subject matter.
Doom 3 is my favorite because of its atmosphere and pacing. It was also terrifying when it released. Would love to watch more Doom 3 content.
Yes please do Doom 3 on the original Xbox!!!
17:40 the shotgun clips into the camera.
I'm more surprised they left Doom 1 and 2 in 16:10 instead of using the anamorphic 4:3 that was intended.
yes with the first 2 doom games you cannot have square pixels without an incorrect aspect ratio.
Totally picking 3 on Switch for a sale or something. 1 and 2 should be played in a PC only. Without user maps and source ports you miss most of the experience by playing them on console.
They added that on switch, ps4, xbox one bud😁
Try the homebrew port to Switch, when doing Doom 3.
Also test out Return to Castle Wolfenstein’s different releases (PC, PS2, Xbox and Vita)
the sound effects quality is fine, they are using a sample rate of 11025hz just like og doom.
and the sound pitch shift was (unintentionally) removed in doom 1.4, and in an interview to romero they asked about that and he was glad that happened because he never liked the idea.
Thanks for producing this video! I was so excited for the current gen releases until seeing this. I'll stick with my Xbox 360 BFG Edition for the trilogy. One question, does DOOM 3 now have subtitles this gen?
Patch was released today and fixed the music speed and lightning problems only. Aspect ratio, fps, double pixels in width are the same, without online multiplayer LOL. I 'll give up on this port I think.
well that dev really NERFE'd DOOM
meanwhile Panic button is practicing dark magic porting DOOM 2016 to switch.
And soon Doom Eternal🙂
DF Retrospective on DOOM 3 in the future? Yes, please!
Doom is like the Tetris of shooters. I've seen it run on everything, including calulators and ATMs.
No beautiful bespoke bokeh depth of field?
Dropped.
I love you John 😊 keep up the good work
Any plans for videos on the recent update of the classic Doom games?
Seeing DOOM 3, again, kinda makes me want a ray-traced re-release. That game relied so much on lighting, and ray-tracing is the evolution of that games visual style. Of course some parts, I'd imagine wouldn't work so well, but it'd still be something I'd like to experience. Also no, a reshade trick won't cut it.
Switch cant even maintain 60 fps on a game thats about 15 years old. That's sad.
I'm pretty sure it can, those are just probably optimization issues.
@@oscarzxn4067 Switch is just too much under powered.