I have the same bike and absolutely love my bonestock 117 with already over 6,000 very happy miles and not even a glitch. Some things are better left untouched...
Exactly Kurtis!!! Why the hell would you fuck with a motorcycle that only has 1,000 miles on it! Lol if it didnt have enough power, why not just take a couple hundred pounds of junk off it...let it breath! Let it be a bike, not a living room on wheels.
I agree... I bought a 2021 Road Glide Special last Summer. 114 is enough for me. Plenty Quick, I'm looking for reliability more than raw power because I travel a lot. To each his own I suppose.
@@americanborn1112 I totally believe you, buddy. May the bike gods bless you and your bike, and I hope you never have a problem with your machine. What I can't understand from all manufacturers (bikes and cars) is this: Bikes and cars have been around for well over a century now. There aren't hidden secrets in a four stroke engine. Everybody knows exactly what works and what doesn't. My question is this: How come it's 2020 and manufacturers from different countries still face reliability problems? I think there's a lot of hype in the "new engine", "new platform", "new technology". Why can't manufacturers stick to what works and practice the old mantra of "evolution, not revolution"? It does make me admire the Toyota Camry. Cutting edge technology? No. Cutting edge design? No. But does it work? Does it sell a lot? Are people happy with what they are buying? Hell, yeah!
Ray Alapisco They we’re having problems tuning because of the RDRS (traction control) system on the new Harley’s... It kicks back and won’t let the bike go over 70% throttle... So now they have to get with Harley and the tuner company to figure it out
I was quoted around 5 1/2 thousand for the 131 kit installed at Harley for my 2019 heritage classic 114ci. The crate motor was around 1k more at 6 1/2 thousand. If I go with the crate, I have an entire engine, the factory one keep in mind, that I can have sitting around or sell to my buddy doing a custom build for at least a thousand bucks. But Knowing myself, if they are TRULY identical on the lower end, then I could take the motor apart and seperate each and every single piece to it, and start designing my own custom combustion chambers, custom piston tops, meticulously balanced rods, ect ect. Basically build a motor capable of around 300hp with boost. That would be why I would get the crate. You have a whole other engine to play with in your spare time. And even though I love building legos with my little guy, this is just more fun!
Your money, your business, thank you for sharing your experience. Damn shame corporate’s factory build and QC process failed you. Hope the Dyno tuning goes well for you, happy trails brother!
I have a 2020 Street Glide with the 131 crate engine and D&D 2 into 1 exhaust. Dyno'd at 137 tq and 135 hp. I blew the rear cyl head gasket at 600 miles and the front at 1,100 miles. After my local dealer fixed it, I've had no problems (3,800 miles so far). They had to pound the rear head to get it off. Something definitely wasn't right at the factory before the shipped the engine. Runs great now!
I blew a rear head gasket on my 17 road king 107 at 10k miles. Then i had my piston rings not seat on my 2020 road glide limited. Which cost me 3 months of not having my bike. While they did a entire top end rebuild my 114 still burns oil.
Good luck with it Matt. I hope it all works out. I've had 3 HD's over 36 years. Never had any major issues with any of my HD's, although looking back it seemed like I always was tinkering with something. In 2019 I purchased a BMW K1600. Part of the reason is I'm doing longer trips now and had two friends make the switch. Now all I do is add gas and go. I'm no a HD hater at all, in fact, I love them. I'm hoping the company can figure things out and continue on. I like your channel.
My shovelhead 74 cid is pretty stock and I love it. If I would spend that kind of money on performance I would buy a used Yamaha FJR1300. Harley = cruiser Metric sport touring = performance. It's so simple.
As a young man I wouldn't have thought twice about spending big money on performance upgrades and I did it. 20 years later and a little wiser, I've learned to appreciate what you already have. My 2007 Deuce motor is bone stock and not going to spend 1 cent to change that. Living is learning. Good luck and hope you finally get the results you're looking for.
Can't imagine how disappointed you must have been after dropping that kind of $$ on the upgrade. Glad Its fixed now. HD keeps testing its customers patience. New motor should have zero issues.
New motor means still working out the glitches. First few models of flathead, knuckle, pan , shovel, evolution , twin cam all had their early problems and once Harley finally figures it out they go to something new. Giving the guys with shallow pockets a good platform to go off of.
sorry for all the problems wow. not clear what they were though. i went with the kit and you are right absolutely no problems. i got 4000 miles on it now. great
No big surprise there.... when you buy any engine from the factory or have any engine work done at the dealer you can expect problems...you’re best bet now would be to have Zippers performance fine tune it and get the bugs out!
Harley Davidson has mastered the ability of turning fuel into noise without the side effect of horsepower......AND managed to convince idiots to play dress up and pretend to be tough.
Customers should get better quality from HD for the cost. I’m researching options to upgrade my 2019 HD SGS 114. So far S&S seems to be a good choice. Thanks for the video.
I've got a 2020 Breakout 114. I went with a Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam, heavy breather air cleaner with Vance and Hines straight shots and had the dealer tune it. I'm making 110hp with kver 120ft/lbs of torque, all covered under the warranty forever.
No oil transfer issues. I changed out the cam plate and oil pump with S&S. I added a Fueling vented dipstick to take care of the M8 pressure issues. 10K miles so far and the bike runs great.
I put a torque cam in my 2019 Roadglide ultra and it runs so much better than expected. It wasn't $9500 bucks either. That's just not worth the money for a few horsepower.
What I always tell folks when they want big inch and big power is to address the bottom end and protect your investment (welded or S&S flywheels and Timken left bearing).. you can run gear driven cam after that or chain.. and next address cam plate and oil pump (S&S or Feuling), add better lifters (S&S or Feuling here too) and build from there up … that’s the bulletproof foundation. After that run whatever cam and head work fits your needs and ride easy or beat on it with peace of mind
Why does everyone put the camera behind the bike to listen to the exhaust? It just causes terrible distortion like wind blowing across a Mike... put the camera off to the side like normal people are going to hear it.
I have the blue CVO. Did the 131 before delivery. The kit. Got thru the break in, 1000 mile service. Have about 1600 miles now. Not dynoed yet. Getting ready to do so. The shitty part is that you have to void the warranty to pull the 116 mph limited out of it. I spent 55grand. If I want to run it to 130 once a year, I should be able to I wonder what kind of power this will actually make on the dyno?
I keep hearing the same thing from multiple people. I wanted a 131 for so long but think I’ll stick to 119 because it’s the biggest you can get without doing big bore conversion.
That thing sounds good. Even before it was Dyno. I have a 2020 road king special with the 114, I think I’m going to play it safe and just pop up to the 122 engine. I’ve heard more good than bad reviews on the 131. But I have to say I’ve heard mixed reviews on the 131. I’m glad you got everything squared away with your bike.
I saw your video where you said you couldn't tune with TTS because software couldn't turn off the rdrs or traction control...... you can manually hold down TC button for 2 to 3 seconds and it will turn it off..... but has to be turned off every time you turn switch off and back on. A light on gauge will be on when you turn it off.
Have a 131 fat bob, only issue i had was dealer didnt put in high performance clutch plates. I switched to chain drive and the bikes a beast, might switch to 2 into 1
I have got over 2,000 miles on mine riding in all conditions with no issues. Have the HD Pro Street Tuner and HD Smart Auto Turner. After 1,700 miles, they downloaded the data from Smart Auto tuner to the ECM and it woke that bike up!!!!! Got the kit, not the crate. With all the money you dumped into the bike (probably $55,000 so far) and wanting to go with a non HD tuner, you void your 2 yr warranty. My 2 year warranty and Extended Service Plan will still cover my bike since I went with all HD parts.
Sorry this engine design is based on a 1937 base engine. Sorry the assembled crankshaft is the base of the problem, it shuffles quite a bit and most of the cam and oiling system is directly related to that damn week crankshaft. Now use some logic here guys, you are using a pressed together crankshaft with a long stroke so even if you almost passed high school shop class you would recognize that the longer the stroke the more stress you are going to put on the crank. Then remember the last street motorcycle brand to use a multi cylinder pressed together needle bearing crankshaft was Suzuki and they dropped that in the late 70's due to reliability issues with crankshaft shuffle, now remember they were talking a stroke of under 70mm or about 2.75". Increasing the power on Harley's rather frail crankshaft is simply asking for failure, yep if you keep out of it you might get OMG 70k miles and yes that has happened in the real world but not often. Other bike brands a crankshaft failure is rare for the life of the bike, usually the failure is it was ran out of oil to see this failure. Now remember these bikes are pumping out well over 100hp stock and are turning over 2 times as fast. Harley would do well to go to a forged 1 piece crankshaft, yes it would require either a master/slave type con rod or better offset cylinders by the width of the rod+throw offset. On the offset rods would give a wonderful plus also, the back cylinder would actually get better air flow, remember the famous issue of cooking off the rear cylinder issues ever present on the Harley. Indian did their engine design based on a one piece crank and they produce a shitload more power and don't have the bottom end issues, it is time for Harley to think outside of that 1937 design box.
Bought a ‘97 FXDWG brand new. Changed the oil every 1500 miles using mobil 1. At 30k miles the evo destroyed itself. Keeper / snap ring on wrist pin popped off, fell down ruining the cylinder wall ended up in the oil pump and destroying that. The root cause was fly wheels not properly already aligned at the factory when built.
Put a vented dipstick on it from fueling m8 makes to much crank case pressure also go look at T-man performance and see what he does for the slumping issues and crank case pressure
I got sick of the crankcase pressure issues in my 2017 RK, I sold the bike. As far as I am concerned the M8 engine is a POS, Harley knows they have a problem and they don't give a shit. I bought a 2004 RK police bike from a auction. The bike was in excellent cosmetic condition and ran ok but had a few issues. I stuck about a grand in it, the bike runs and rides great and I don't have to worry about all the sumping and blow by issues the new M8 has.
yeah the lower end is basicly the same just do the kit not the crate i have a 1999 evo and it stays with my brother in laws street glide all day long mine is a 96 ci motor everyone forgets about the evo you shouldnt its the best motor harley ever put out i have 106,000 mi on it and still doesnt smoke on a cold start up thats why they changed the design it lasted to long
I have a 19 CVO Limited. My dealership said they can bump my motor up to a 131 for around $2,500 (winter pricing)I think you got ripped off by buying a whole new motor
It is beyond my understanding how a manufacturer can produce a V twin motor for over a century, with close to no change, and still make a complete mess of it! It's pathetic, embarrassing.
@Pomfromoz Don't have one myself, but if you want an overpriced, overweight, and oversized touring bike you might as well get one straight from the factory with 4 extra cylinders.
just my opinion but if you're buying Harley's top model bike with the massive price tag, it should be coming with the 131 as standard! not as a 9500 option! that's crazy! and even more crazy that you've been having problems from the very start... hope your bike gets sorted!
A good stage 2 from the aftermarket makes the same or similar power that the 131 does with he screaming eagle stuff on it. You could have spent 2-3k and had the same or very similar performance with a woods wm8-22xe or a star racing 30-30 cam, a good exhaust, and a good tune.
I got the 131 stage 4 put into my 2020 cvo limited 117. I have supertrapp slip ons, supertrapp catless headers and power vision tuner. It's currently making 128 hp and 146 ft lbs of torque at the wheels.. problem is with the tunining due to the rdrs traction control.. not many tunes from various companies have perfected the rdrs tunes, so my power is dropping off at 5,000 rpm,,, and bogged down retarding of power in 1st and 2nd gear,,,,,am waiting to get a tune file from fuelmoto to sort it out, and sort it out,, hopefully with more power,,,,, bye the way, that's with the included se 517 cam,,,
Do you know what the final numbers are on the dyno? I have an 08 Vulcan 2000 125c.i dyno at the rear wheel 94hp and 128 ft/lbs torque. My poor mans Harley..lol
As it sits right now 122/133... The bike is down in Texas and I’ll be down there soon with it... I’m redoing some mods on it, and hooked up with another tuner... Going for 140/150
It sounds incredible. Not surprising, that's what Harley does. What Victory and Indian does, is run correctly and make power, right out of the box. And yes, I would take a NOS or previously loved Victory, any day, over a 2020 Harley. Not to take away anything from your bike. I hope that you enjoy it for years to come.
First of all, that 131 should be a factory option and ordered with that motor instead of buying it after the fact and pay an additional 10K. Next, I've read that many HD engines were not assembled as well as they could've. I assume this is true for the 131 as well. If HD wants long-term customers, engineer them properly, use better materials and, assemble them so they are built to last! Me, I've been riding HD's since 1979 with my trusty Shovel-head Super Glide FXE. My current ride is my 2014 HD Fat Bob that I love! It's a 103 and I have many plans to build it and bullet-proof it! I almost traded it in for an Indian, but decided to stay loyal to the HD brand! Besides, what good is it having a legendary icon if you can't have the bragging rights!
I’m almost done with my 131 upgrade only to find out my bike is a “California” bike and can’t be flashed for the 131. Harley corporate has been zero help. Going with a Power Vision tuner.
Harley MoCo absolutely loves guys like you. Why do you think they bump the cubic inches up every couple of years? I have a 1957 FL that does the speed limit. Bought it in 1977 and paid $2100.00.
Did I hear correctly? He dumped a motor with just over 1,000 miles? That is insane!! I just don't understand the need to go bigger and bigger. What was wrong with the 117? No offense to anyone, but there has to be a time and a place where enough is enough.
@@rawdawgg_ a fool and his money will soon part. Why in the hell would I buy a new top of the line Harley for 30 to 40k? Just to have to invest thousands of dollars more just to maybe have a decent bike. I picked up a 01 valk for 4k with 17k on it. I spent less than 1k refreshing systems in this excellent boxer 6 that will SMOKE any Harley. Most Harley's sit to be looked at.. or ridden at rallies for the "look at me"factor while adolescent adults thump their chests. I'm wiser than that... Most Harley's are trailered to events for the vanity factor. I ride this Valkyrie daily.. Long and far and cheaper than if on a Harley. Fools spend and waste money... Wise men invest. And I don't pay any interest... Yeah.. That's why.. Harley turned me down... LMFAO. No son..I turned Harley down for a much better bike. *Edit* the reason I would never oven a Harley.. Except maybe a Evo RK..I make money working on them..I love how I help soften the blow on their bad investment by fixing them....lol. By all means if you want to throw money at the pit, it's America.. I'll stop and help those stranded Harley's though. Tip... Purchase the goldfish option, that way you don't have to walk home alone. Harley Davidson.. Made in China No really.. Look it up.. It's official
so for a total of $35 grand, you ended up with a lot of pain and a bike that you are unsure of keeping. Sounds like just a little too much money. Next time, buy a tidy Evolution 1340 Road king or Fxd and spend 2k on gently warming it over. youll have a bike for as long as you need it and can pocket the remaining 28k.
I have an 06 Electra Glide with an S&S T111 motor dyno tuned by Chris Waddell of Cycle Solutions....puts out 120rwhp/torque and revs to 6700 rpms all day long...ill smoke that 131
More horsepower can be had from a good 110 or 117 twin cam build than the m8 builds even the 131" just inches. Not enough performance for the size in my opinion
The headpipes being different lengths throws the tune out of synch to begin with, especially true duals....... the cylinders wont help each other scavenge and the TTS tuner works well but if you or someone else ever tries to tune the bike with another brand tuner, the ECM will lock you out and shut the bike down. The ecm will have to go back to tts and steve coles' feelings will be hurt that you want his software removed and he will take his sweet time getting your ecm back to you !
BLAHAHAHA! You spend $50K+ for a CVO and crate engine and you cannot ride the bike because of problems from the word "go." And HD wonders why their stock tanked.
Think you dance with the devil tuning harleys, everything seems to suggest they are not mechanically robust enough. Probably need a different brand if you want a faster bike.
Harley lovers only want Harleys, you cannot enlighten them. It is their way and the vault cannot be cracked. When you talk performance, handling, braking, reliability, you are talking a different world to Harley only folks it never enters theirs..
@@TR5T Not completely true.......but mainly true. I've been a die hard HD guy since I was 40. (15 years now) I recently purchased a 2018 BMW K1600GTL & put 12000 miles on it in about a year. I didn't like the riding position,.so I traded it in for a 2020 Indian Challenger. I've had it about 4 months & put 5k miles on it. So, now I'm a proud Indian & HD owner. By the way, the Indian SMOKES the HD in handling & power.........but fit, finish, & comfort go to the HD. (2019 Ultra CVO) You can't beat the HD service & network either.
I have the same bike and absolutely love my bonestock 117 with already over 6,000 very happy miles and not even a glitch. Some things are better left untouched...
More Harleys are killed by over-modification than from any other cause
Exactly Kurtis!!! Why the hell would you fuck with a motorcycle that only has 1,000 miles on it! Lol if it didnt have enough power, why not just take a couple hundred pounds of junk off it...let it breath! Let it be a bike, not a living room on wheels.
I have an 18 CVO SG, my 117 is just purring along. I did treat her to Harleys fan assisted oil cooler for my peace of mind.
I agree...Only Stock with a Stage 1....And maybe a set of torque cams after the 24mos warrenty...But thats it
I agree... I bought a 2021 Road Glide Special last Summer. 114 is enough for me. Plenty Quick, I'm looking for reliability more than raw power because I travel a lot. To each his own I suppose.
"I have never seen a broken or faulty harley" - Stevie Wonder"
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@@americanborn1112 I totally believe you, buddy. May the bike gods bless you and your bike, and I hope you never have a problem with your machine. What I can't understand from all manufacturers (bikes and cars) is this: Bikes and cars have been around for well over a century now. There aren't hidden secrets in a four stroke engine. Everybody knows exactly what works and what doesn't. My question is this: How come it's 2020 and manufacturers from different countries still face reliability problems? I think there's a lot of hype in the "new engine", "new platform", "new technology". Why can't manufacturers stick to what works and practice the old mantra of "evolution, not revolution"? It does make me admire the Toyota Camry. Cutting edge technology? No. Cutting edge design? No. But does it work? Does it sell a lot? Are people happy with what they are buying?
Hell, yeah!
@@americanborn1112 Now I agree even more with you. If I had the money, I'd totally lease a Ducati for a year. I'd never buy them, though.
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Hahahahah
Did the 131 kit in my 19 SGS, got a great deal and I haven’t had any issues with it at all. Ended up with 140HP and 145TQ
Monday it’ll be up on the dyno... I can’t wait
Ray what cam did you put in. ..or did you keep the se 517 that came with the kit
Motor King Madness how’d your dyno come out?
Ivan Kovacic yeah I kept with that cam and I have the V&H pro pipe with the Harley tuner. Once warrantee is over I’ll prolly put another tuner in her
Ray Alapisco They we’re having problems tuning because of the RDRS (traction control) system on the new Harley’s... It kicks back and won’t let the bike go over 70% throttle... So now they have to get with Harley and the tuner company to figure it out
You had a good motor in the 117, and $9,500 in your pocket
9K miles on my 131 kit. Not a single issue. Why anyone would pay thousands extra for the crate motor is beyond me. The lower ends are identical.
I was quoted around 5 1/2 thousand for the 131 kit installed at Harley for my 2019 heritage classic 114ci. The crate motor was around 1k more at 6 1/2 thousand. If I go with the crate, I have an entire engine, the factory one keep in mind, that I can have sitting around or sell to my buddy doing a custom build for at least a thousand bucks. But Knowing myself, if they are TRULY identical on the lower end, then I could take the motor apart and seperate each and every single piece to it, and start designing my own custom combustion chambers, custom piston tops, meticulously balanced rods, ect ect. Basically build a motor capable of around 300hp with boost. That would be why I would get the crate. You have a whole other engine to play with in your spare time. And even though I love building legos with my little guy, this is just more fun!
9 k and no issues.. I should think not. You say like it's a miracle, 9 K and no issues amazing 😁 cheers 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🇳🇿🏴
Your money, your business, thank you for sharing your experience. Damn shame corporate’s factory build and QC process failed you. Hope the Dyno tuning goes well for you, happy trails brother!
I have a 2020 Street Glide with the 131 crate engine and D&D 2 into 1 exhaust. Dyno'd at 137 tq and 135 hp. I blew the rear cyl head gasket at 600 miles and the front at 1,100 miles. After my local dealer fixed it, I've had no problems (3,800 miles so far). They had to pound the rear head to get it off. Something definitely wasn't right at the factory before the shipped the engine. Runs great now!
I blew a rear head gasket on my 17 road king 107 at 10k miles. Then i had my piston rings not seat on my 2020 road glide limited. Which cost me 3 months of not having my bike. While they did a entire top end rebuild my 114 still burns oil.
Got it, Stage 2 on my 19 RGS only!! Much Appreciated!
Good luck with it Matt. I hope it all works out. I've had 3 HD's over 36 years. Never had any major issues with any of my HD's, although looking back it seemed like I always was tinkering with something. In 2019 I purchased a BMW K1600. Part of the reason is I'm doing longer trips now and had two friends make the switch. Now all I do is add gas and go. I'm no a HD hater at all, in fact, I love them. I'm hoping the company can figure things out and continue on. I like your channel.
Thanks man... Well get it figured out
Motor King Madness hey mate how’s your bike going.. I have a breakout and have been in the shop more than out.. did your warranty cover all expenses
My shovelhead 74 cid is pretty stock and I love it. If I would spend that kind of money on performance I would buy a used Yamaha FJR1300. Harley = cruiser Metric sport touring = performance. It's so simple.
As a young man I wouldn't have thought twice about spending big money on performance upgrades and I did it. 20 years later and a little wiser, I've learned to appreciate what you already have. My 2007 Deuce motor is bone stock and not going to spend 1 cent to change that. Living is learning. Good luck and hope you finally get the results you're looking for.
Can't imagine how disappointed you must have been after dropping that kind of $$ on the upgrade. Glad Its fixed now. HD keeps testing its customers patience. New motor should have zero issues.
New motor means still working out the glitches. First few models of flathead, knuckle, pan , shovel, evolution , twin cam all had their early problems and once Harley finally figures it out they go to something new. Giving the guys with shallow pockets a good platform to go off of.
You should've did that zipper 124 or 128 kit...zero issues and out performs that harley kit..period
sorry for all the problems wow. not clear what they were though. i went with the kit and you are right absolutely no problems. i got 4000 miles on it now. great
No big surprise there.... when you buy any engine from the factory or have any engine work done at the dealer you can expect problems...you’re best bet now would be to have Zippers performance fine tune it and get the bugs out!
$10,000 for a motor with problems out of the box. More will follow later. I would have refused to pay for it and demanded another motor
Harley Davidson has mastered the ability of turning fuel into noise without the side effect of horsepower......AND managed to convince idiots to play dress up and pretend to be tough.
That’s funny shit right there! I don’t care who you are....
LOL that's zackly what is killing hardly...
Thanks for sharing anyway. Hope everything's gonna be alright in the future for you..
I would've expected the same..
Lots of money and lots of disappointments
Customers should get better quality from HD for the cost. I’m researching options to upgrade my 2019 HD SGS 114. So far S&S seems to be a good choice. Thanks for the video.
I've got a 2020 Breakout 114. I went with a Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam, heavy breather air cleaner with Vance and Hines straight shots and had the dealer tune it. I'm making 110hp with kver 120ft/lbs of torque, all covered under the warranty forever.
Have you had any oil Transfer issues,and if so what did you do to correct it
No oil transfer issues. I changed out the cam plate and oil pump with S&S. I added a Fueling vented dipstick to take care of the M8 pressure issues. 10K miles so far and the bike runs great.
Glad I watched this video. Think I will go with the zippers performance kit.
I put a torque cam in my 2019 Roadglide ultra and it runs so much better than expected. It wasn't $9500 bucks either. That's just not worth the money for a few horsepower.
Oh, short answer, "yes" with an "if." Long answer, "no" with a "but." - Reverend Lovejoy
Let them work out the kinks before buying new stuff like this. A few years and this will be a stock motor with no issues.
BINGO!!!! You nailed it! Especially a 1,000 mile bike!!! Leave it alone, this guys a whiner, trying to start a channel of whining...
And if you say "noo Harley bad never put 131 in stock", the 114 was a bore kit for the 107 first.
Or an electric motor with no petrol
What I always tell folks when they want big inch and big power is to address the bottom end and protect your investment (welded or S&S flywheels and Timken left bearing).. you can run gear driven cam after that or chain.. and next address cam plate and oil pump (S&S or Feuling), add better lifters (S&S or Feuling here too) and build from there up
… that’s the bulletproof foundation.
After that run whatever cam and head work fits your needs and ride easy or beat on it with peace of mind
Hopefully you get the issues all fix and can enjoy it ✌🏽
Why does everyone put the camera behind the bike to listen to the exhaust?
It just causes terrible distortion like wind blowing across a Mike... put the camera off to the side like normal people are going to hear it.
Newbies
I do it too not thinking
Wow now my Harley makes a lot of noise always makes me laugh
I have the blue CVO. Did the 131 before delivery. The kit. Got thru the break in, 1000 mile service. Have about 1600 miles now. Not dynoed yet. Getting ready to do so. The shitty part is that you have to void the warranty to pull the 116 mph limited out of it. I spent 55grand. If I want to run it to 130 once a year, I should be able to
I wonder what kind of power this will actually make on the dyno?
I have a 2020 Street Glide with the 131 crate engine and D&D 2 into 1 exhaust. Dyno'd at 137 tq and 135 hp. How did you pull the limiter out???
I was quoted $5,900 for the 131 upgrade with new intake, exhaust, tuner, and dyno
Where ?
I keep hearing the same thing from multiple people. I wanted a 131 for so long but think I’ll stick to 119 because it’s the biggest you can get without doing big bore conversion.
Never one problem, i have two friends with 131 upgrades
That thing sounds good. Even before it was Dyno. I have a 2020 road king special with the 114, I think I’m going to play it safe and just pop up to the 122 engine. I’ve heard more good than bad reviews on the 131. But I have to say I’ve heard mixed reviews on the 131. I’m glad you got everything squared away with your bike.
Maybe the guys that assembled it didn't do it right.
...maybe for much the same reason AMF had all their reliability issues.....screw the workers and screw your product...
I'm on my second blown 131 motor.. I went with the kit.. Second 131 lasted 500 miles..
I saw your video where you said you couldn't tune with TTS because software couldn't turn off the rdrs or traction control...... you can manually hold down TC button for 2 to 3 seconds and it will turn it off..... but has to be turned off every time you turn switch off and back on. A light on gauge will be on when you turn it off.
More money than sense, just leave it alone and ride it. Who would want their 40k harley shipped back and forth like that. Nuts
I’m done with this build now...
Indian now is winner ,stock engine have better performance then cvo
also significantly less money
Have a 131 fat bob, only issue i had was dealer didnt put in high performance clutch plates. I switched to chain drive and the bikes a beast, might switch to 2 into 1
I have got over 2,000 miles on mine riding in all conditions with no issues. Have the HD Pro Street Tuner and HD Smart Auto Turner. After 1,700 miles, they downloaded the data from Smart Auto tuner to the ECM and it woke that bike up!!!!! Got the kit, not the crate. With all the money you dumped into the bike (probably $55,000 so far) and wanting to go with a non HD tuner, you void your 2 yr warranty. My 2 year warranty and Extended Service Plan will still cover my bike since I went with all HD parts.
Harley is like what Jaguar is, you need two..... 1 to drive and 1 for the workshop.
BLAHAHAHAHA! OK...that was funny.
This is the first crate motor I've come across thats had problems. Shit happens sometimes can't be perfect 100% hope you got it taken care of
Sorry this engine design is based on a 1937 base engine. Sorry the assembled crankshaft is the base of the problem, it shuffles quite a bit and most of the cam and oiling system is directly related to that damn week crankshaft. Now use some logic here guys, you are using a pressed together crankshaft with a long stroke so even if you almost passed high school shop class you would recognize that the longer the stroke the more stress you are going to put on the crank. Then remember the last street motorcycle brand to use a multi cylinder pressed together needle bearing crankshaft was Suzuki and they dropped that in the late 70's due to reliability issues with crankshaft shuffle, now remember they were talking a stroke of under 70mm or about 2.75". Increasing the power on Harley's rather frail crankshaft is simply asking for failure, yep if you keep out of it you might get OMG 70k miles and yes that has happened in the real world but not often. Other bike brands a crankshaft failure is rare for the life of the bike, usually the failure is it was ran out of oil to see this failure. Now remember these bikes are pumping out well over 100hp stock and are turning over 2 times as fast. Harley would do well to go to a forged 1 piece crankshaft, yes it would require either a master/slave type con rod or better offset cylinders by the width of the rod+throw offset. On the offset rods would give a wonderful plus also, the back cylinder would actually get better air flow, remember the famous issue of cooking off the rear cylinder issues ever present on the Harley. Indian did their engine design based on a one piece crank and they produce a shitload more power and don't have the bottom end issues, it is time for Harley to think outside of that 1937 design box.
I have the 2018 Cvo rode glide I passed on the 131 upgrade and went after market with the 128 sleeper kit by zippers
How is Zippers?
Motor King Madness awesome 😎
Motor King Madness thundernax tune
I put the kit in my 20 RGS. My 114 only had 545 Miles on it. Best $7500 I spent.
Bought a ‘97 FXDWG brand new. Changed the oil every 1500 miles using mobil 1. At 30k miles the evo destroyed itself. Keeper / snap ring on wrist pin popped off, fell down ruining the cylinder wall ended up in the oil pump and destroying that. The root cause was fly wheels not properly already aligned at the factory when built.
Put a vented dipstick on it from fueling m8 makes to much crank case pressure also go look at T-man performance and see what he does for the slumping issues and crank case pressure
I got sick of the crankcase pressure issues in my 2017 RK, I sold the bike. As far as I am concerned the M8 engine is a POS, Harley knows they have a problem and they don't give a shit. I bought a 2004 RK police bike from a auction. The bike was in excellent cosmetic condition and ran ok but had a few issues. I stuck about a grand in it, the bike runs and rides great and I don't have to worry about all the sumping and blow by issues the new M8 has.
That sounds amazing. I can't wat to hear it after is tuned.
Have some faith Bro, Bike is awesome!, sounds great, it will be worth all the stress !! Your rolling now !
You spent $9,500.00 to gain 14 Cubic Inches? OMG. Buyers remorse... (Sad Trombone...) You had it right the FIRST time at 5:48!
I have some beach front property for sale.
ONLY A MAN.. would spend 9k+ to increase his endowment by 14 cubic inches!
Dan they use factory breather on that big motor
Isn’t it starving for air. I was told I could not add cam without big breather
yeah the lower end is basicly the same just do the kit not the crate i have a 1999 evo and it stays with my brother in laws street glide all day long mine is a 96 ci motor everyone forgets about the evo you shouldnt its the best motor harley ever put out i have 106,000 mi on it and still doesnt smoke on a cold start up thats why they changed the design it lasted to long
I'm still saving up to buy an evo harley..
I have a 19 CVO Limited. My dealership said they can bump my motor up to a 131 for around $2,500 (winter pricing)I think you got ripped off by buying a whole new motor
It is beyond my understanding how a manufacturer can produce a V twin motor for over a century, with close to no change, and still make a complete mess of it! It's pathetic, embarrassing.
Somewhere, a BMW K1600 is laughing.
@Pomfromoz Don't have one myself, but if you want an overpriced, overweight, and oversized touring bike you might as well get one straight from the factory with 4 extra cylinders.
just my opinion but if you're buying Harley's top model bike with the massive price tag, it should be coming with the 131 as standard! not as a 9500 option! that's crazy! and even more crazy that you've been having problems from the very start... hope your bike gets sorted!
We’re working it out... Next step is to get it tuned
@@MyTrucker619 hope it goes well!
Hope you get it resolved.
A good stage 2 from the aftermarket makes the same or similar power that the 131 does with he screaming eagle stuff on it. You could have spent 2-3k and had the same or very similar performance with a woods wm8-22xe or a star racing 30-30 cam, a good exhaust, and a good tune.
I got the 131 stage 4 put into my 2020 cvo limited 117. I have supertrapp slip ons, supertrapp catless headers and power vision tuner. It's currently making 128 hp and 146 ft lbs of torque at the wheels.. problem is with the tunining due to the rdrs traction control.. not many tunes from various companies have perfected the rdrs tunes, so my power is dropping off at 5,000 rpm,,, and bogged down retarding of power in 1st and 2nd gear,,,,,am waiting to get a tune file from fuelmoto to sort it out, and sort it out,, hopefully with more power,,,,, bye the way, that's with the included se 517 cam,,,
Beautiful bike I love that color and engine!
Do you know what the final numbers are on the dyno? I have an 08 Vulcan 2000 125c.i dyno at the rear wheel 94hp and 128 ft/lbs torque. My poor mans Harley..lol
As it sits right now 122/133... The bike is down in Texas and I’ll be down there soon with it... I’m redoing some mods on it, and hooked up with another tuner... Going for 140/150
@@MyTrucker619 Damn!!! Wow...big numbers
my experience with that 131. Sold it after 3 months. There are bikes meant for being ridden, and others for being showed. Enough said.
I had problems with my 120r crate motor as well.
I have heard a crate swap is know different than a 131 kit upgrade. Not sure how true that is but many people have said it.
Keep us updated.
I could only dream of dropping 60k on a motorcycle
I wouldn’t, even if i had the money lol
Stop being poor.
I've owned a few Harleys. However, i have never bought one new from a dealership for this reason!
@Countrywild56 Harley agreed.
It sounds incredible. Not surprising, that's what Harley does. What Victory and Indian does, is run correctly and make power, right out of the box. And yes, I would take a NOS or previously loved Victory, any day, over a 2020 Harley. Not to take away anything from your bike. I hope that you enjoy it for years to come.
I'm not into Harleys. But that sure sounded good.
Great looking bike. Do they still keep the governor on the bike after installing the 131?
You got ripped off
there's one born every day.
First of all, that 131 should be a factory option and ordered with that motor instead of buying it after the fact and pay an additional 10K.
Next, I've read that many HD engines were not assembled as well as they could've.
I assume this is true for the 131 as well.
If HD wants long-term customers, engineer them properly, use better materials and, assemble them so they are built to last!
Me, I've been riding HD's since 1979 with my trusty Shovel-head Super Glide FXE.
My current ride is my 2014 HD Fat Bob that I love!
It's a 103 and I have many plans to build it and bullet-proof it!
I almost traded it in for an Indian, but decided to stay loyal to the HD brand!
Besides, what good is it having a legendary icon if you can't have the bragging rights!
I’m almost done with my 131 upgrade only to find out my bike is a “California” bike and can’t be flashed for the 131. Harley corporate has been zero help. Going with a Power Vision tuner.
Man that’s real bad luck
For that kinda cash! What pain in theA$$ it should have ran right from the install! Hope all the fix’s is under warranty!
Save money for a tow truck your gonna need it.
It’s been on one 5 times already
Next time just call Star Racing
Harley MoCo absolutely loves guys like you. Why do you think they bump the cubic inches up every couple of years? I have a 1957 FL that does the speed limit. Bought it in 1977 and paid $2100.00.
Did I hear correctly? He dumped a motor with just over 1,000 miles? That is insane!! I just don't understand the need to go bigger and bigger. What was wrong with the 117? No offense to anyone, but there has to be a time and a place where enough is enough.
Even left the wrong breather on it. Wow, genius.
The kit is great, but with a performance clutch!
So 2 years later, was it worth it? Im looking at doing the same thing to my bike and just like to hear everyone's experience.
I'm so glad I bought a Honda Valkyrie interstate....
love those also
B.S. and u no it.😊
@@fatrick4806 he prob got denied on the finance 😂
@@rawdawgg_ 😀✌
@@rawdawgg_ a fool and his money will soon part.
Why in the hell would I buy a new top of the line Harley for 30 to 40k? Just to have to invest thousands of dollars more just to maybe have a decent bike.
I picked up a 01 valk for 4k with 17k on it.
I spent less than 1k refreshing systems in this excellent boxer 6 that will SMOKE any Harley.
Most Harley's sit to be looked at.. or ridden at rallies for the "look at me"factor while adolescent adults thump their chests.
I'm wiser than that...
Most Harley's are trailered to events for the vanity factor.
I ride this Valkyrie daily.. Long and far and cheaper than if on a Harley.
Fools spend and waste money... Wise men invest.
And I don't pay any interest...
Yeah.. That's why.. Harley turned me down... LMFAO.
No son..I turned Harley down for a much better bike.
*Edit* the reason I would never oven a Harley.. Except maybe a Evo RK..I make money working on them..I love how I help soften the blow on their bad investment by fixing them....lol.
By all means if you want to throw money at the pit, it's America..
I'll stop and help those stranded Harley's though.
Tip... Purchase the goldfish option, that way you don't have to walk home alone.
Harley Davidson.. Made in China
No really.. Look it up.. It's official
That upgrade is more money than my brand new motorcycle which I’m pretty sure has better performance
so for a total of $35 grand, you ended up with a lot of pain and a bike that you are unsure of keeping. Sounds like just a little too much money. Next time, buy a tidy Evolution 1340 Road king or Fxd and spend 2k on gently warming it over.
youll have a bike for as long as you need it and can pocket the remaining 28k.
I have an 06 Electra Glide with an S&S T111 motor dyno tuned by Chris Waddell of Cycle Solutions....puts out 120rwhp/torque and revs to 6700 rpms all day long...ill smoke that 131
It won’t take much to smoke this bike
Like the old adage says a fool and his money soon part ways
What passenger cup holder is that?
Why would anyone spend so much on an engine for an 800 pound bike, Harley truly preys on fools with more money than brains.
More horsepower can be had from a good 110 or 117 twin cam build than the m8 builds even the 131" just inches. Not enough performance for the size in my opinion
The headpipes being different lengths throws the tune out of synch to begin with, especially true duals....... the cylinders wont help each other scavenge and the TTS tuner works well but if you or someone else ever tries to tune the bike with another brand tuner, the ECM will lock you out and shut the bike down. The ecm will have to go back to tts and steve coles' feelings will be hurt that you want his software removed and he will take his sweet time getting your ecm back to you !
what are you asking for your 117 ?
It was worth everything just to get rid of those red rocker boxes.. sounds like a wild beast
Damn that is a beautiful bike man.
Worth it thoo..... the 117 alone doin rollin burnouts at 40mp.... yall can get em loose at 60 mph with those jugs😭
Imagine paying 10k for an air cooled, push rod engine. Can’t hide money lol
Every tech I talked to an 8 dif shops say its totally not worth it at all .
I'm surprised they are going with the TTS Tuner instead of a screaming eagle i have the TTS on my 14 Ultra.
They had to use the SE tuner as the TTS couldn’t disable the RDRS
BLAHAHAHA! You spend $50K+ for a CVO and crate engine and you cannot ride the bike because of problems from the word "go." And HD wonders why their stock tanked.
Think you dance with the devil tuning harleys, everything seems to suggest they are not mechanically robust enough. Probably need a different brand if you want a faster bike.
Harley lovers only want Harleys, you cannot enlighten them. It is their way and the vault cannot be cracked. When you talk performance, handling, braking, reliability, you are talking a different world to Harley only folks it never enters theirs..
@@TR5T
Not completely true.......but mainly true.
I've been a die hard HD guy since I was 40.
(15 years now) I recently purchased a 2018 BMW K1600GTL & put 12000 miles on it in about a year. I didn't like the riding position,.so I traded it in for a 2020 Indian Challenger. I've had it about 4 months & put 5k miles on it. So, now I'm a proud Indian & HD owner. By the way, the Indian SMOKES the HD in handling & power.........but fit, finish, & comfort go to the HD. (2019 Ultra CVO) You can't beat the HD service & network either.
I would have done a stage 2 , with a good tune hp numbers almost the same or better
Where in Minnesota?