Honda GCV160 Governor Adjustment and More
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- This Honda mower is just like mine. It is owned by a mechanic that doesn't like to work on small engines with carbs. In this video I adjust the governor and show a few more things. I am thinking the max RPM should be between 3100 and 3200 Not 3600 as here in the video. You can comment if you like.
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THE CHOKE ACTUATION LEVER IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LEVER ON THE CARB. !!!
Could you please articulate. Both my Honda and this one are identical. Do you have something different? I would love to know. You can email me at bthversion1@gmail.com. I understand the lever coming out of the engine which is an internal piece is on the other side but the actual lever to adjust the governor is where is said it was. If I am wrong i would love to know.
Thanks Bruce : I've used your training lessons to help me on the maintenance on my Honda 160 cc motors , I have my own personal Honda now and three ready to sell come green grass growing season now . I've worked on mowers thirty years ago - but never a Honda . Worked on a lot of clinton motors tho . Thanks again
Well those Clinton motors are solid old machines eh!!!
Thanks Bruce for the video. I've had a Honda lawn mower for the past 18 years and never knew how to properly check the oil level. I'm surprised that it still runs. Thanks again.
You are welcome.
My machine is running fine, I just needed a few more RPM. I watched 20 videos before yours. YOUR video answered all my questions. And Thanks for the tip on the bolts to slide the carb back on. Gonna do that!
So cool.
I just paid $15 for a MTD with a Chonda engine. It ran on carb spray but stalled after 10 seconds. I cleaned the carb and it ran but barely and it surged like crazy. I figured it out. It is missing the bottom govenor spring. Your video helped me to go from a surge mystery to a functional mower. Thanks Bruce. $15 dollars well spent.
Good for you !!!
Nice running mower. Nice job Bruce
Nice job Bruce. You cleaned it up real nice too. Your customer will think you swapped out his old mower for a new one!
He did say "It looks like new!!!)
More great work, keep it up!
I was working on one of these too this week. If you ever have to replace the rewind you can order the whole assembly at your Honda shop for $15 dollars Can. plus tax. I thought this was pretty reasonable! Thanks, Bruce!
Thank you Andrew. Sometimes i just start to fixing and forget to check prices. Especially honda!!!
You say we are just watching you work well let me tell you, Work fascinates me I can sit and watch it for hours. LOL
Good one.
Tweeking that arm did just the trick. Has been idling hi-lo hi-lo
Since the day I bought it gave that small arm a little tweak like you did and she’s running great now thank you sir
I am happy to have helped. This is why I am on you tube.
Wow Bruce you even waxed it excellent Job. I don't think I have seen that style choke on a honda 160 here in the states but not saying they don't exist just that I have never ran across one that did. Have a great weekend. God Bless!!!
That choke is on most of the mowers up here. they work but are fiddly.
Dang like brand new! Awesome work!
Thanks Midwest.
Nice work and another shout👍 I see the stick has made a comeback 😃
Yes i got lazy and off camera, the bugger fell on me.I thought of you right away.
Sounds great...my next mower will be a Honda...easy start, parts plentiful and a vast library of "Bruce" videos to rescue me when I get in over my head
Great. Brigs are great but o think Honda is the next great motor.
I just saw one in Walmart. It said Poulan Pro on it. Which in my mind is a pretty good mower. Low and Behold it had one of those cheap overhead valve Briggs on it with the plastic carb. ARGH!!! I am a Briggs fan and that hurt.
Hey Bruce enjoy your videos : obtained a Troy Bilt - Honda motor with a little vibration - above normal in my book - had taken the blade off and sharpened it . Vibration was still there , finally after getting the Miss out of the carburetor went back and took blade off . Too my dismay found it had a bad cracked blade holder ( used a bright trouble light and found it cracked in several places ) , ordered one yesterday from Amazon should be here in a couple of days . Should fix the problem , for I checked the crankshaft out runs true . Bought the mower from a church for resale - but now have plans to keep it seeing the shape it's in . Wanted to share this with the people , that sometimes you just have to use a brighter light to find deeper issues , LOL Cheers
Check the blade for balance. (it may be heavy on one side)
Thanks Bruce, great video. My GCV170 Honda shop manual says 2900 MIN---3100 MAX. Like always thanks for sharing.
Yes. It is really hard to find out the exact RPM for Honda's. They have to run at 3600 for generators but that is fast for me. LOL
I agree, I set mine to 3100rpm and it just didn't sound right I dropped it down to 2900-3000 sounds much smoother.
Nicely done Bruce!
Thanks Lawyer. I passed a bar today.
LOL! ;o)
Honda small engines have a distinctive sound to them. The GXV140 on my Honda mower sounds just like that.
Grasias por compartir sus videos, thank you
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Excellent job honda sounds good now
I think it does.
great job bruce
Thanks EB
Can't beat them Hondas
They are the new standard.
Bruce, I just finished watching this video. I know it's coming up on 2 years since you uploaded it. Now your work table, I was figuring by now you'd upgrade to one that operates on compressed air. I know your response would be it's good exercise for the knee. Another reason would be not to speed up the film if you had the other device!!! Please understand this is only an observation not criticism. Good luck and keep up the good work!!!!
I just keep things simple. That is all.
Bruce, I have a tach that has a spring on the front with a battery inside and you just point it at the spark plug and it reads the RPM like that. I usually set most engines between 3400-3600 RPM's.
Yes I am shopping for one
Arrgh, "The Stick" has made an encore appearance! Yeah, I have an old, worn-down pair of pliers I love to use for everything, I get it.
Yes and it did fall on me. ARGH!!!
If you look at the Honda power curves, you`ll see the max torque is at 2500 for most or all these engines, and the max hp is at 3600. Contrary to popular belief, torque is where the real work is. So, one would keep is engine where it`s the strongest. After 3600, the power falls off a cliff because the engine doesn`t have the breathing to go faster. Honda puts the speed at around 2900 to 3100. Right between max torque and max hp. Good spot. One doesn`t run his car engine at 6000 rpm`s all day even though that is where the red line is.Then, you have the blade safety factor and the internal engine parts strength factor. Plus the extra engine wear.
Thanks. This one has been bugging me. I was on line last night thinking about this thanks. The book said 3600. You are right. This is a hard # to find.
Great job on that Honda Bruce. I am going to have to make a set of those rods for Honda carb reinstall. Say what type of tach ste going to get and where are you purchasing at?
It will be a sparl plug induction. Probably on ebay.ca That is a Canadian ebay.com.
Great video of how to do the tune up if you don't mind me asking what are the part numbers for the air filter and spark plug and what brand of oil and what weight do I use just got a good used mower with the same engine
This is the actual Honda air filter and the spark plug is there too. If not it a a BPR5ES. It is a Canadian site but the description is there.
www.amazon.ca/Honda-Genuine-17211-ZL8-023-Air-Filter/dp/B005LOQKT0
How do you maintain your cement garage floor? Mine stays spotted with oil even if I wipe and spray a solvent immediately. Thanks.
I get on it right away. It is 29 years old so it is so permeated with dust even the oil has a hard time soaking in. That is one time I do use old gas. I shouldn't but I do. Just small amounts on a rag or shop towel.
Hey Bruce, since you mentioned how far the dipstick goes on the Honda GCV engine, what about the Briggs & Stratton units with the metal dipstick?
Screw them in.
I fought like crazy to get my carburetor back on. You simplify it so much. Thanks. Is there a way to make sure that the choke is in it's right place
Well the choke is on the machine and goes on the left side of the choke adjuster. When it is all together look into the choke hole move the choke lever to choke and you can see the choke go on. Hard to explain. Just make sure the silver bar is behind the coke activator in the air cleaner housing.
You shouldn't have to bend anything on a Honda lawnmower to set the RPM. Put the engine speed lever on slow and adjust the carburetor pilot screw for 2100 RPM. Then move the speed lever to high and check your RPMs, they should be 3100. If not, adjust the lower screw on the throttle lever. If you can't get up to 3100, move the spring to the bottom hole and repeat the process.
Right. But on older machines they sometimes don't enter the correct speed with just the spring. Thanks though always appreciated.
I like my Honda 160 engine on my self propelled mower
Yes I remember it.
Yeah , they're really really good motors , they outshine the US motors by a country mile !
Have two Honda engined machines, a GX200 on a compressor and a GX160 on a generator. Think, after changing the oil it is a little low as it now won't start....(The compressor that is)
Bruce, would it be okay to put the link for Honda's owners manual in PDF format on here?? Not sure of TH-cam rules or yours channel rules?? Thanks for the education...
They have a low oil shut down. It has to be right on the full. This may help I am not sure.
m.engines.honda.com/parts-and-support/owners-manuals/gx160
PA LAWN GUY> I have this same choke on a Honda on a Husqvarna. The choke starts to open when I pull the handle bail and is wide open by the time I pull the start rope. Any suggestions to change this quick opening?
You may be able to reduce some tension on the lever behind te control. Just to slow it down. Watch how you take it apart!!
Are you sure you didn’t get it running too fast for the blade size? Briggs has guidelines for that, not sure about Honda. Good job!
Well there is a long discussion. The fatheads top out at about 3400 RPM and the overhead vales go higher. I got th info from the Honda book. Great discussion.
Hey Bruce, you didn’t show it on your video, but once you got the carb and everything together on the rods. Did you replace those one at a time with the bolts? Thx
Yes I did I usually do the one closest to the engine first as it is harder to do after just me .
@@BrucesShop thx
Have you ever used one of those old school German made Sirometer manual tachs? They are a bit goofy but I use it all the time and am quite happy with it.
No. I have been avoiding them as they do look fiddly.
I routinely use an American-made version called Vibra-Tac. It looks like an aluminum pen with a wire that slides in and out. I've checked it against the laser type Bruce used and it's usually within 50-100 rpms which close enough for me because it's much quicker and less risky to use than the laser style. Induction type tachs are handy, accurate, and low-risk, but rather pricey.
Is there a video on how to change out a gear line for for a front drive lawn mower, 160cc honda
You may have seen this I just found it on you tube. I don't have a video
th-cam.com/video/zkzog2Mi714/w-d-xo.html
Boost having an issue with my gc v160 choke assembly operating too quickly will not choke hard starting any suggestions
Is,it like this one or do you have an autochoke???
I just had Honda GCV 200 engine installed on a piece of equipment and the company said in their manual do not add oil because they had already did before shipment. well I unscrewed the dip stick and it was up to the full line. I did start it and ran it just a few minutes. looked at the engine manual and it said not to check oil with dip stick screwed in. just stick in in like you said. I had to add oil to the full mark. so my question is do you think their was any damage to the engine with my estimate of being few ounces low?
No it will most likely be above the add line.
@@BrucesShop when I wiped off the dip stick and put it back in just resting on the threads it did not touch the add line. so hopefully the parts that need lubrication had some on it. thank you very much for quick reply. I'll sleep better tonight. have a great summer
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that is a dandy tachometer you have there.
Kind of scary though with the blade right there. . Did you get the 3600 RPM setting on the honda? Some think it is way to high but i have set the flatheads to 3400.
After replacing the carb (twice) on my GV 160 I cursed Honda for not using dowels instead of bolts to mount the carb....it's very hard to line up all the holes with the bolts (gaskets, carb etc...)....the dowels are the perfect solution to this poorly engineered design.
PS: While the Honda is more fuel efficient than my old B&S....the B&S was far less finicky when residual fuel was left in the system in my experience.
I 100% agree. I actually think the Briggs quantum is a superior mower. Yes Honda's run well but when there are issues, they take a lot longer to fix.
Just stick in the tip to check the oil... 😆
right
Also, if you look in the service manual, they have the max governed speed at 3100 plus or minus 150. Not 3600.
I did not find that but I am working on it. Much appreciated. The flatheads run at 3250 I thought these overhead valves would be what was said at 2:37
I just bought a new Honda with the GCV engine. I got the $38 service manual also. 3100 is the spec. Not saying it can`t run faster. The torque curves are on the Honda site. engines.honda.com/models/model-detail/gcv160
Course, mine is the GCV190. It might be different than the 160 as far as speed. But, if you look at both performance curves, they both max torque at 2500 and max hp at 3600.
Thanks a lot
Not bashing you or your vid. I`ve been a mechanic for 30 yrs. I have tuned race cars and their engines. Torque is acceleration. Keep engines in their sweet spot.
Why not set the RPM after the tune-up?
Didn't I ???
Ok , where do I get one of those tables
well this is an older video but here you go. The comments have a lot of info too.
th-cam.com/video/yv7FtFWRHaU/w-d-xo.html
You can grease the wheels on a basic tune up
Of course you can. Thanks
Hi Bruce
so you set the RPM to 3100-3200 ?
on this one. Information is hard to find. It is a safe RPM.
@@BrucesShop Hi Bruce
so 3100 rpm is Safe speed to set then Eh ?
@@jonienglish3231 Yes.
@@BrucesShop I will use my Fluke 88 multimeter with Tach Clamp ,
Also have same Chinese Laser Tach .
Where do you buy your parts like gaskets and such?
On line. Ebay stores found from google searches. I just bought 10 Briggs diaphragms for $10
Bruce Pender oh, cool will have to look there. Thank you so much for your videos they are very helpful. Where in Canada are you if you don't mind me asking .. In Ontario?
Alberta. A 9 hour drive north of Helena Montana. This may help your searches. Remember it is Amazon.ca Canadian
www.ebay.ca/itm/10x-Carb-Diaphragm-Gasket-Kit-for-Briggs-Stratton-495770-795083-7721-3-75HP/263222642892?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40971%26meid%3D5f8456e628504f7bb040e15b04ba3539%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232745508156%26itm%3D263222642892&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Bruce Pender have you seen online the 90* plastic fuel inlet fitting any where? The one that pushes on the back side of the carb
Sorry I can't picture it.
2:31
Why u look at the GCV190 specifications when you are working on a GCV160?
If I did I messed up thanks.
@@BrucesShop if you pause the video at 2:31 the manual says GCV190.
3600 rpm seems high for a Honda GCV 160 engine
Right. The RPM of a Honda is a hard thing to get an answer too. There are many different sources for this info. Thanks for the comment, appreciated.
3600rpm is where the engines are power rated. Maximum safe blade speed should not exceed 3300rpm. Most companies put the engine around 2900-3000 rpm factory.
Phil Builds Those were exactly my thoughts as I saw him setting it to near 3600 rpm.
I usually set the RPM at around 3100 RPM. I think it depends on the brand as well, Tecumseh recommends 3050 max RPM in my Tecumseh tech handbook. Briggs is around the same. 3600 seemed a little high to me when I tried setting it to that.
Yes, its around 3100 per Honda (see below.) I think it sounds a little slow at that rpm but that OHV engine is very quiet and sound can fool you. At 3100, mine cuts, good & doesn't bog in taller grass.
cssportal.css-club.net/honda/PowerProducts/contents/1071012en-us_.pdf
jj parody I set my lawn boys to around 3100-3200rpm. They run amazing there.
Well I have seen settings in manuals all the way from 3100 to 3850. It is a tough one. I knew there would be comments. I wioll learn more Thanks guys. My own loves it at this speed.
I understand why you’re putting lithium grease or any grease on the wheels but doesn’t the grease get covered in dirt and potentially cause more damage? Just loudly thinking. 🤔😉
Well That is true. I blow mine off after evey use. Not everybody does. but lithium is a good grease for plastic.
I never grease my wheel axles. I clean them with fine sandpaper or fine steel wool to get them as smooth as possible and then I coat the axles and the inside of the wheel with graphite. It lubes great and does not hold dirt. You might give it a try and see if you like it.
I mow between 40-45 lawns a week, for our short mowing season of 3.5 months and I have never greased a wheel, or do anything with them. I’m sure it’s good to do, but the wheels are the last thing that are going to give out on that mower. Lol
Spark plugs can look good but still be bad.
You are right