GEAR CUTTING ON THE METAL SHAPER
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- Guess its time to cut the gear teeth on the gear we brazed up last week. I'm happy with the job and the way it turned out. Much quicker and easier than making a complete new gear and for the application I think it will be fine. Thanks to all my viewers subscribers and patreons . If you would like to help support my channel and enjoy the content please consider joining my patreon, every dollar helps and makes a difference.
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Should have took my own advice and brazed the gear to the shaft before I cut it. Had some movement in the gear when I was cutting it on the shaper . It didn't make any difference in the end, The gear turned out fine and should work. Didn't notice it on the machine at all.
No, no, it's just a special tapered-tooth gear. One of a kind. Totally intentional...
We all make mistakes like that now and then, of course. At least it didn't cause any real issues.
Next time just use green loctite to hold the gear. Heat with the torch to break loctite.
Hey Steve big fan but seriously are you trimming your beard anytime soon? LOL
@@mealex303 Not planning on it🤔
@@seansysig I was going to suggest that, but in addition, work fast with that stuff, it's amazing how quickly it sets in some situations.
I always see comments on YT about “what are shapers used for”. This is a perfect example! Thanks for sharing!
I can't determine which is more relaxing to watch; the running water in your creek or your shaper.
Great job as usual Steve.
Biggest problem I had on a shaper, staying awake.
Brass very forgiving and self lubricating what's not to like. Good stuff.
You are a very great craftsman. Many greetings from germany.
Well here it is 2021 Nov and I go in 3 hrs to see a Klopp 450...Setting for years, and hoping it will not disappoint. I have wanted a shaper every since I got hooked into machining, and watching Steve and others using shapers is truly addicting. The 450 is larger than I wanted, but price is right,,,and will have to rearrange the shop to fit, if it comes home with us,,,Useing the rotory table was brilliant Steve. Bear in TX.
Love this hands on type vid's,,,I don't nor my never own a shaper, but love to watch you and Adam do marvelous things with them,,Cheers from TX,,Bear
You did an excellent job! Thank you!
Excellent repair! I remember my dad fixing some back gear teeth the same basic way, but he ground a cutter and used it in a type of fly cutter in a milling machine.
Keeping the wheel dressed makes life easier. I recommend a dressing stone over a dresser or a diamond, here's why: Using a stone, I have more control over the pressure applied to the wheel. I start off with a lot of pressure to roughen the wheel while keeping the surface of it clean of built up metal. Then I can rough grind very quickly with less accuracy. Then I redress with light pressure to smooth the surface of the wheel' That allows me to finish grind slowly, but with improved accuracy. For upmost accuracy, I do these steps, finish dress again, then finish grind with the wheel switched off and slowing down. That way, if I make a mistake, it happens slowly, is caught before I have to start all over again. It sounds like a lot when I write it, but only adds a minute or two to the hand grinding and has given me thousands of well running dependable tools to machine with.
That's what I call putting America back together piece by piece. Well done .
Well done Steve, reminds me of a repair I did one 35 years ago, tap the broken teeth roots, insert threaded studs and build up with braze, only thing is used a grinder and file to literally "fake" the new teeth and fit them in on a Southbend carriage assembly. Crude , but it did work. Cheers and bundle up for the cold!
Job well done Steve. Initial grind looked nice for eyeballing it. Those were some cute little chips. Always a pleasure. Don’t change....👍👍👍
Great stuff. Will be referenced for years.
_Dan_
A very pleasant video, Sir. I enjoyed it very much.
Steve, I had to subscribe because I became hypnotized during this video. This old guy still enjoys learning and seeing how it is done. Forced into retirement money being difficult to keep with hands out everywhere, I need to get Bluetooth hearing aids after 37 years in dealerships and shops to hear better. I am not sure if video content providers know, but TH-cam actually started a transcript section. After getting an iPhone 6S sent by son, I have a cell after 11 years. If have the app and had to look online how to backup a video a few seconds, tapping left or right on the video does this. I go back and read sections of the transcript to understand what type of material you ground on your bench grinder. I am guessing but I think you have done this a couple of times, before! Right?
Damn close as I could see. Absolutely great info and your making of the shaper tool. I did not see how the depth of cut was adjusted until the 3/4 mark as it appears to be on top. Each machine is different but this this is huge. As a certified auto tech from the 70’s, I used the brake lathe and found valves in house. That USA made machine take a guy back in you mind when most everything was built here. I bet that cutter costs you at least $300-$500 dollars to get? (LoL) I know better. That was great watching you and the equipment become one! Man & machine, working as one. Better than most computers unless high production numbers are required.
I my line of work, I had to fix a differential with posi, then diagnose a burn’t exhaust valve then fix a dome light with wire cut by a “Paintless Dent Repair” company from out of town.
Then having 6 people with me to feed, cloth, time flies and soon 40 years disappeared. Then, 4 tool boxes come home, sandblast cabinet, torch, 150 Amp MIG I bought new in 84, plus truck loads more. Then that 1 & 1/2 car garage is full. We both need a big warm shop with room for all of our equipment, then add a house w/kitchen, bathroom, good chair, TV and, well that’s it. So, 8k sq. ft. shop & 1,400 sq. ft. house next door. Great!
Well, thank you very much for wonderful information like the dressing iron for the bench grinder stone. 35 years of service from my 1/2hp Black & Decker grinder has never seen one. Thanks for planting that seed in my brain. Yes, wrote it down on list of “Things to Get!”
Hearing aids, stone dresser, big ass shop, etc. Love the “Starrett chart on the wall. That is so handy! Damn. Dude, wish you lived next door.
Best of luck in 2022 and stay safe around rotating equipment!
DK, ASE master since 78, retired!
Thanks.
Great work freehand grinding that toothform tool. never easy.
Nice one, I like your down to earth approach in dealing with engineering problems. Here you have shown that you don't need fancy tools or setups to resolve a certain issue. Most of the time we can make do with what we have at the workshop.
Can the day start any better? Woke up early, made a cup of coffee, and there’s a new video from Steve. Nice job as always. Thnx for sharing your knowledge with us. 👍👍
Coming along Steve.............you give me hope.........I will never get to your level BUT I do learn from you. Dave from "Downunder"
Great job, little late , again great job!
Really great video. I love all the attention to details and the way you explain all the steps you take to do these jobs. Free machine shop course. Thanks for sharing. Dan
Great video. Enjoyed the process and the results. Thank you.
Great job!
Thanks Steve.
Great job of gear cutting. I was really happy when I cut my first gears. I went on a binge afterward and cut about 7 or 8 for my lathe so I could thread metric. Thanks for the video.
Good job Steve!
Thanks for sharing
Good way to start the day. Good job, Steve.
Very nice job
Nice tool sharpening finish after grinder work. Watching lathe work never get tired especially when it is lathe work on a larger (then we are used to ) scale. Prep rules the spacer was a smart move to prevent trouble as part of the equation. That is a GREAT job especially for being new to gears.
Nice job, stay warm Steve. Thanks for sharing.
Nice job Steve, as always thanks you so much for posting this. Best Regards Sarah
I wish this guy was my best friend id love to watch this stuff im iron worker but only weld cut with torch plasma cutter and such
Enjoyable and informative. Thank, Steve.
Good job Steve, very interesting
Steve, Great job on the gear thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
Ya darn right , looks great Steve !
That was crazy cool. One of your best yet lol. All of your videos are great. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Sir👍
A nice part and repair! Good job on the grinding especially. I did see that movement in your close shot on the work piece but looks like it didn't do anything bad.
Thanks as always,
-Alec
Awesome eye my friend. I sure like the stove oil idea ! I always like to machine brass. Easy cutting and that near gold look. Your temps are much like mine. I love where you take your breaks my friend.Between you and Abom the shaper has come back as a viable tool. Well done recovery my friend. Great visit !
No Smoking
That worked well enough👍
Great job Steve use what you got
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Grinder wheels come with thick paper discs to keep the cup washer on the motor shaft from interacting with the stone and causing it to break! Your paper appears to be missing.
Nice work, Steve. It's always so cool to do something you've never done before and have it work out so well. A real confidence boost..
Thanks,
John
Well done Steve! I agree with the thought of time investment for the type of job.
There's always something to enjoy about winter, otherwise we would be hibernating with the bears :) Even if it's just the fact that it's so nice when spring comes round again. But I see your smile as you talk about it and know you appreciate that. Kinda like how rain on the roof makes me feel cosy when I'm sitting inside. Thanks for the video, well put together and filmed.
Good job Steve! Brings back memory from the early eighties when I had to braze and recut a broken tooth for a spur gear on a lathe. I didn't have to use the dividing head though. I ground up a tooth matching tool, lined it all up in the shaper vise and cut away. It worked out well for me also. The shaper is an invaluable asset to any shop. So versatile!
Looks pretty darned good to me. A "textbook" example of perfection being the enemy of the GOOD. As Mr. Fenner would say, that's a getterdone.
Nice job Steve.
Loving the channel Steve, can’t wait to see the mill up and running 👌
Hi Steve, been waiting on this video. It came out very good to me. Now all I need is a shaper and other tools to make gears. Really enjoy all your videos. Thanks for posting.
You’re a damn fine chap Steve. Love your videos. Great job on the gear.
Good job. I learned a lot.
nice job Steve like it
Good job Steve! Glad you're getting the bad weather too. Misery loves company.
Nothing but rain and cold. This past summer was rain every other day and hot.😃
Very nice job.
The gear came out quite nice, well done! That shaper is mesmerizing, used a smaller one in high school and thought they were cool ever since.
While maybe not a "glamorous" as some of your other projects it was every bit as interesting. Thanks for showing it to us. Kudos on your new camera, some excellent close ups!
Nice job Steve !! I made a table extension for my 12 inch Hendey shaper table so I can use my Brown and Sharp index head. Like you said a guy does lose some rigidity.
Great job Steve, that shaper has been really earning it's keep lately. Very handy machine to have in the shop.
Like the video you are making step by step procedure to do thing in the machine shop.
Enjoyed. I had to fire up the kerosene heater in my shop also.
Great one Steve. Nothing wrong with using the bench grinder
I like to attack HSS first with an angle grinder, it really speeds up grinding time once you get it close
good job
congratulations
from Brazil
Great job, gear turned out well. I hope the end user has freed up the mechanism so it doesn't strip the teeth again. Thanks for sharing. Dean in Oxfordshire UK.
Speaking of grinder safety, you should also wear hearing protection when grinding. Your ears will thank you. AND a respirator. That grinding dust isn't too great to be breathing in.
gran video Steve ,,, quedo genial ese engrane
Turned out good , no worries when it works . Could have locktite it to tell shaft too. It's a slow speed gear in use so I'd have done it just like you did only I'd have used a boring bar in my mill with a ground tool bit. Cutters for single gear is way to costly.. nice video , say hi to the family and take your son huntin , proud of you , yes I'm proud of real American life..
That gear looks awesome! Great job.
Almost 20K subs! Congrats my friend!!
Thanks Chevy 👍 The channel is definitely growing
New subscriber, love your place. Thank's for posting.
Thanks; learning a lot
I did a similar job on a bull gear for a Logan lathe. My payment a 1947 Model C Southbend lathe that was in pieces. I have enjoyed watching and learning from you. Have a great Christmas.
Thanks man👍
Yesss.. another episode.
This video is fantastic. Getting a Cincinnati 36” soon. I will have much to learn
Yup it is best to have those guards. I have an old grinder exactly like yours same make and one day I ignored ny fathers advice that he gave me when I was young . He said never to use the side of the grinding wheel . I did however one day when I was 50 years old went and used the side of the wheel to debur a 1/2 inch rod I just cut. At that moment to my surprise the wheel exploded like a bomb. Even though my father who had long passed away by then was stilll with me in my later years in the form of all the things he taught me, still coukd be heard as a small quiet version of his voice in my head now and then. I stood looking at the remains of the shattered wheel and heard the damaged bearing. That voice came and It said: see this is what happens when you use the side of the grinding wheel you are very lucky. Fab up a guard for the grinding wheel or ditch that grinder you wont regret it make some time . I had a the original guard on it and still it almost got me . I fixed the grinder and continue to use it . It is very old but still very useful. It belonged to my grandfather and was passed down to me when my father passed away .
Nice work Steve!
ATB, Robin
Good job
fantastic video.. subbed
Nice job. Love your big box of high speed. Nothing like a good high-speed tool blank to get the creative juices going. A die grinder is nice sometimes too, polish a chip breaker, etc. Funny, we all seem cut corners on the lowly bench grinder/dressing tools and stuff even though they are such important tools.
If you spray the cutting lubricant directly on the face of the tool above the cutting edge it will run down the tool and drip onto the cut. Kind of like a drip oiler.
That isn't luck Steve, that's experience :)
It means you're great at your job and obviously you're still getting better.
Thanks for the video!
Gear turned out well enough I think. The creek looked nice, clear as well. The churned up torrent in previous vids looked like it was clearing itself out from some dry dusty summer.
Bravo!!! Italy
Nice content Steve.
I agree with your method and assessment of the job at hand. I have had very good results with this method and in higher stress situations I have even drilled and pinned the area of tooth build up. We sometimes get involved in chasing tenths when the job calls for a couple of thousands. Nice work. I can't even imagine below freezing anymore Aloha..
i make gear cutters for my mill the same way, found they are way good enough for slow speed gears
Nice video. I also had to do a repair like this recently. Not as professionally as yours granted, but it worked
You looked sleepy when you were talking about it being cold, that must have been Tuesday night. It feels pretty good out now if you can keep from getting washed away! Gear looks like it would work to me, doing that hex would have been a lot of extra steps.
Excellent video Steve! At some point I'm going to attempt to set up a CNC gear cutting solution on the shaper using flat 14.5 degree cutting tools. It should be a fun experiment reinventing the Fellows gear shaper for the home shop.
I saved a table off of an old Cincinnati milling machine that I junked and adapted it to the table of my 14" Steptoe shaper to give me added length of table... This setup gives me enough length of table to use a super spacer or dividing head ....
I like it !! 👌😎
How do you support it? Doesn't it sag a lot when you put a 20-50 pound dividing head that far out there?
...@@somebodyelse6673 I just bolted the Cincinnati table (off of junked 08 vertical mill) with four socket head cap screws into tee nuts in the slots of the original shaper table..I machined the Cinci table flat under the bottom so that it will be a good fit to the Steptoe table.. The Cinci table is very heavy and rigid and does not flex.. The original Steptoe table has a foot on the end which engages on the base of the machine for added .support....I leave the added table on and have not had any issues with sagging..
Very nicely done. I just picked up a 12" rotary table to use on the mill and shaper. I have no plates for it yet. I want to make a set of speed reduction gears for a rotary welding positioner I am building.
Good eye on the initial grind. Funny how the shaper fell out of favor in production shops, but every hobbyist who has one finds ways to use it. Any crawdads in that creek? You did well young man. We look forward to seeing your videos. I'm waiting to see that rack in and working for the K&T, you did some great work on that rack shaft!
Thank you ! I'm ready to get it up and running also. Still a ways to go but I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
@@SteveSummers Just hope it's not a train coming!! LOL
Ha! I was thinking the same thing when I saw that pool. “Lots of crayfish in there for bass bait.”
I would touch up the cutter for that last 2% using a dremel. I'm not as skilled on a bench grinder as you are. I have to fix a broken tooth on a 127 tooth change gear. Way smaller tooth than this but after seeing this I will try to grind it by eye with a loup. Nice vid thx.
Nice repair Steve. I too have cut gears using a HSS bit hand ground. I have a pretty nice set of B&S gear cutters, but it seems I never have the one I need.
That seems like the way it's always works. Tons of tools but never the one you need. Good excuse to buy them all😎
Great work. Small hanging unit heater please. I've enjoyed the series and all the surprises. Although I'm sure you'd like to have gotten it running sooner. Not everything is in the condition it first appears.
All due respect, I do really love winter! I grow up on a desertic zone, and for as long is not hot, I don't care how cold it can actually be...Really Envy You, But well here in FL we don't see that kind of temp more than two or three days each year.. today we have 87... "Would you be so kind to send us a bit of that cold down here? Great video I really enjoy it.
Don't cold, Steve! We get 5'F and just work hard to get warm :)
5:17 - looks good!
Repaired a lot of gears. I would have milled out the damage and inserted brazed or silver soldered in a steel block then cut it. That would give teeth that are as strong or stronger than original. What you have there is brass teeth that are not as strong as the originals that failed and broke off.
I could hear the guilt in your voice, I do the same thing now that I have a T&C grinder and still use the bench grinder for grinding tools like that.
If I was making a new gear I would have went through the cutter grinder setup. But that would have been an entire video in its self. 👍