Knurling on the Metal Shaper
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- Making the surface of my shop made heavy machine rollers no slip by putting them in the big shaper and knurling the surface. Hope you enjoy, Please Like and Subscribe and thanks for watching
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Neat operation-I've never done that
Great to have you stop by mrpete. the shapers slow at most things but not knurling. It is a neat operation that most people don't get to see done. Love the tool auctions , wish I had the time to go to one. Thanks again
Steve Summers
Verry clever little project done on this nice shaper.
Worth having one!!
Thanks for sharing.
Very simple, very clean. Thank you for the content. It never gets old
So nice to see shapers being appreciated. I have one in my shop and it never fails to fascinate. While not a pro machinist, I have and use many vintage machine tools. Favorite? Shaper. Thanks!
dont forget to drill a series of holes and have a few pins with heads. Once a machine is sitting on them you can manuever the pins in to lock out sideways movement of the item being slid along. Another thing is handles the concept of a wagon--when rolling an item you can pull the handle and change the direction of the rollers real easy.
I love the knurling on shaper cheers for sharing. When moving machines, steel on steel is always very dangerous, better to have a block of wood between the skate and the machine,
Nice idea Steve - we used to use machine mount material between the skates and machine feet - it was a cork / rubber compound and kind of 'stuck' as the weight increased - we used to shift >30 MT blow moulding machines around on the big skates - never ceased to surprise me how easy that sized machine would move on a smooth concrete slab when it was on skates !
First time I've seen knurling done on a shaper. That machine is very versatile. Look forward to more shaper projects!
Awesome idea; that’s some big assed vise u got there, lol
Hi Steve,
This is a very good idea... Thanks for sharing.
Take care
Paul,,
I could watch that shaper in action all day long. What an awesome piece of machinery.
Agreed, They are very a neat machine. Thanks for watching N1RKW I have several shaper videos
I have always wanted a shaper. these just gives another reason to get one. Great video.
Back in the 70s a mate used to make barrel weights for the Russian Vostok .22 ISU pistols ,he used a shaper to cut the non glare grooves on the top of the weight!!
Man you are extremely awesome.
This knurling process on shaper did not teach me at both polytechnic and engineering college.
But thanks to you, you shared such great skills of yours.
Man your channel is giving me tons of ideas! I think I will have to move the restoration of my shaper up in the queue.
Hi, I just bought such a machine :)
Almost a week has been standing still not unloaded from the car :(
Regards from Poland , Paweł.
P.S.
What I could, I left on your interesting channel;)
Nice. I'm going to have to try knurling. Just have to find some time to get back down to the shop!
Great idea
Gday Steve, your knurling come out absolutely perfect in my eyes, I’m jealous I haven’t got a shaper they are beautiful to watch working, you are a lucky man mate, thanks for sharing, Cheers Matty
Nice project, nice results.
Steve you know what? It's guys like you that drive the price of those old shapers up.
Good work my friend.
That is a great way to make a none slip pattern. I was really interested to see that when you made a second pass to produce a deeper groove, the second cut indexed perfectly into that made on the first pass.
Very nicely done.
Thank you.
Stuart York Thanks👍 I hope to be using those machine skates this weekend. .... Hint.. Hint
Knurling is good brother
That is one sweet machine, I love watching them work. That was a great idea and am sure they work well now with no slippage. Difficult if not impossible to do that same job efficiently on any other machine. Nice job
i just started as a machinist and we started on some old bridgeport's for milling and some even older lathes and we talked about other type of machines but i never hear or saw anything like that shaper, and i am so ahh struck on how it work.i love what you are doing with it, knurling was my funnest part about working on the lathe if i had one of those i would've gone NUTS!!!!
Brett Baxter Thanks for warching, the shaper is a very versatile machine. It's slow but in the home shop that doesn't really matter all that much. You can find them at a good price sometimes so pick one up if you get a chance. Tooling is also cheap.
That is pretty cool
Really nice idea! Your videos are great.
Great channel Abom recommended,great call.Cheers from Oz.
brian richardson Thanks for stopping by, I am glad to have you here. I hope you enjoy
That was cool, thanks for sharing.
And I watch all your videos and enjoy them alot.
Silver King.
Silver King Thanks man👍
my favorite shaper video so far......
awesome steve
mrpete222 Thank you Mrpete, I was just thinking of you just a few minutes ago. You really picked up that 3D printing quick. Makes me want to give it a try.👍
This is really clever I would have never thought of that! Nice work!
Ben Ventura Thank you
Steve: I'm slowly working through your channel and enjoying and learning too. Nice content and production - thanks for taking the time to make the videos.
Thanks for watching, They sure are a lot of work, but I love doing them. SteveSummers
And it makes a great sound. :)
also I created a group on FB shapers and z linear machining.. plunge cutting. In other words on a cnc or milling machine plunge cutting is basically shaper cutting but of course nothing beats a shaper as compared to a shaper attachement. we at a shop just got a shaper attachement for the bridgeport and have yet to start or use it freshly installed.
dude loved the video
nice work
Good idea, thanks
The shaper is real good at knurling, it's a neat operation to do and fun to watch. Thanks for stopping by Rruert, I hope you enjoyed. SteveSummers
Now I know how my dad made meat cleavers in the 60s! Thanks!
Thanks very impresed
Your awesome 👏 sir
Suggestion: Maybe you might try a thin sheet of plywood between the metal surfaces?
I think thats a must
Steve - Great video & shaper action. I just set a 24" Rockford Hydraulic HD shaper in the shop this week & a set of those skates would be incredibly handy!
Man those Rockford shapers sure look nice, heavy built also, I would love to have one. The skates are nice to have but don't throw out the pipes yet, they work well also. Thanks for watching Robert, hope you enjoyed.
id call that "checkering" not "knurling", and its not biting into anything much, its mild steel. nice looking for sure, but a piece of 1/2" ply and some spray adhesive would do more to avoid slippage, as has been said. do appreciate your content though, and thanks for sharing
A hook or a socket in the skates to put a long handle in to turn or pull on them would be handy you have inspired me to make some skates now that will work better than rolling stuff on pipes thanks for the good videos
I still use pipes and any thing else that will keep things moving. Every time I go to move a heavy piece of equipment that is far from the shop I take a truck load of stuff just in case, I end up loaded heavy b4 I even load the machine on the trailer. The eyelet or socket is a good idea, Thanks for watching
The best thing you can do with the skates is devise a way to connect two together with a rod or tube so that they don't try to rotate under the load. I don't know why they won't track straight, but they just won't. I did this with my Hillman rollers and it made all the difference.
Yeah that's something to think about, I had to tap them with a brass hammer when pulling the shaper to keep them all moving in the same direction. Moving the big shaper was a job that's for sure , had to set a concrete anchor in the floor and use a come-along for the last 5ft due to putting it in the corner. I also used the steel rods that I turned in to big nails for the Big Nail Coffee Table build video.
Thanks for watching Wes, I really appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed
Imagine moving a car without a tie rod. As soon as one gets off track it can only get worse.
I can go to sleep to this sound 🤔👌
Hey Steve, that is beautiful. It'll keep the wood from sliding off the rollers. I never did knurl on my 16" Gould and Eberhardt. (In 1980 could have had a 24" Cincinnati but got the little one instead-what a mistake).
Philip Brumder The big Cincinnati sure is a nice shaper, I feel lucky to have it, this one also has the universal table that was a high price option. Knurling on the shaper is kind of neat and most people never think to try it. Thanks for watching, chech out the rest of my videos if youget a chance.. Steve Summers
nice!
Emmas Spareroom Machineshop. Thank you Emma, I am glad you liked it. I made these rollers the night B4 I went to get the big shaper, moving that 7000LBS thing was a very big job and also very stressful. the rollers worked but they wanted to slip around so I thought knurling them could help next time I need them.
I am using the new camera for this video, this is the 1st video where it is 100% shot using it. I hope to not have any more bouncy
lathe / shaper footage due to the auto focus on the old cameras. Next thing will be a wireless mic, I love the audio on the big channels that use them. Thanks for watching everyone I hope you enjoyed.
Steve Summers Big improvement on the camera Steve! I really like your channel, shaper and beard ;) Subscribing!
Hey man, Thanks. Most people seem to like the beard :) and thanks for subscribing. I am new to the video world and was needing a new camera BAD, I needed one that I could have more control over so I got the
Canon T6. I really want a wireless microphone but those guys are high for a good one. Money is tight so improvements in video gear take time. Everything is a work in progress and I hope to continue improving and growing the channel. Rite now few are watching but more and more seem to watch every day. I have watched several of your videos also Fredrik and really like the way you improvise with what you have. Very nice . Thanks again Fredrik.
I struggled with just using an iPad for filming for over a year and one of my viewers donated a camcorder to the channel this year....I love that thing. Yours takes great video, audio seemed just fine. Fredrik has a monster lathe like you :)
I started off with a cheap cell phone and quickly had issue with the auto focus when using the shaper. I bought a new camera that I can control the focus on and haven't had any more issues. I agree that your video and audio look very good,.
Thanks, I just recently got accustomed to it. Its making life so much easier.....and safer! Try operating a lathe with an iPad on a tripod in your way....wayyy dangerous
Nice job Steve, now there's an operation I think is easier done on the shaper than the mill. That is one beautiful shaper. That rapid traverse is nice. I have it's smaller cousin, a 1945, 16 inch G&E plain. Lot of similarity between the two. Getting these skates ready, Is this a teaser that a new machine is coming.
Unfortunately this was not a teaser, wish it was. I still had the skates out from when I moved in the big shaper, I left them out to do just this (knurling the top) b4 I put them away, I had trouble with them and did not what to deal with it next time I go to use them ( hope it is soon). I think the next machine will b a surface grinder or a horizontal mill.
I would like to have both and in time I will but for now I will make due with what I have. Thanks for watching and I hope you like the video.
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This is a Great channel
pssst: rings and jewelry are a no-no...
Ima Tumor I agree, thanks for watching
Do you think you could try a knurling tool? I thick I’ll try on my shaper. Thanks for the great idea!
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I worked in a shop 50 years ago and we made starter and generator shafts. I knurled the shafts in a lathe. Then we got a big shaper it had a die mounted on the bed and one on the ram. we laid shaft at head of the die on the bed pull lever ram came forward at the of the stroke the shaft fell in a parts basket, the ram returned to start position. I would put in another shaft and do it again. About 1/4 the time it took on a lathe
Larry Hedeen Wow, I never thought of that, very interesting. I bet that worked real well. Thanks for stopping by, I learned something from ya.
I have longed for a shaper for many years, too many years, and I just may get one for free. 8" Shape-Rite with no visible damage or missing parts. I will clear out space for it. Ran out of working space you ask? Yes, the shop run out of space more than once over the years. Question, what is the practical maximum work stroke of an 8" shaper?
G'day Steve with the shaper I noticed that the cutting tool gets fairly hot. Does this lead to premature ware on the tool, more sharpening. Can you use curing fluid on it? I've only seen a shaper on David's old steam shop channel and running on belt overhead. Thanks for the video very interesting. Regards John
John Kinnane Shapers only cut about 60 percent of the time, this allows the cutter to cool much more than when used on a lathe . That said, cutting fluids are not used that often on the shaper. They are used much more for a good surface finish more than to cool the tool, I have had times when the cutter is ground weak and then it required coolant. Thanks for watching. SteveSummers
Interesting application of the shaper. Thanks for sharing.
Could you show how to achieve very smooth surface? I have heard with good shaping of the tool the surface could be smooth as surface grinder treated. Thanks and regards
Bozhidar Ivanov Thanks for watching, I have hear the same thing from time to time about getting surface as smooth as a surface grinder, I have got some very nice surfaces using a shear tool but I would not put them in the same class as a surface ground part.
I believe it all depends on what material u r cutting and the profile of the cutting tool. I will do a video on the subject showing what I know about it, keep inmind that I am also learning. Thanks again for watching and commenting
With a wide radius round nose tool and low stepover on my shaper, it gives a mirror smooth surface in aluminum and mild steel. I think it actually looks better than surface ground on my machine, the only problem with it is that the finish is so mirror reflective that it actually picks up fingerprints and everything pretty much instantly, then looks like crap again, lol.
Steve one thing I don't understand is how the traverse feeds while the cutter is on the back stroke... How doesn't that gouge the part as it moves over? I know how the clapper box works but there's a side load that I'm referring to. How does the part immunize itself to that?
THE CLAPPER BOX LIFTS UP.. also it DOES spoil the part to a degree if closely inspected you bet it makes a mark.
You have actually diminished the contact surface so the chances of slippage is greater. My friend that moves machinery has skates that have a 1/4" round welded across each end of the skate. This prevents the skate from slipping from under the machine being moved.
I think a piece of rubber or plywood on top of this knerled surface would work great.
To think before WWI any machine shop had a shaper. Nowadays hardly anyone bothers to use a shaper.
Ever seen the price of those skates? Holy cow!
Would that be called checkering?
Ive seen this done a few times before, but theirs definitely didnt look as nice as yours does, lol.
hydraulic shaper with hydraulic feeds ?
No. Never liked the hydraulic shapers.
No cutting oil?
Steve, I love your videos, but I hate the loud background noise. Please, buy a decent microphone or mount your rotary converter outside the shop, and get yourself hearing protection. Keep up the good work.
That's what a machine shop sounds like !
Now for some proper vise jaws.
Your shaper plays music
its hypnotizing
You should never use 4 skates when you are moving a machine, you risk the chance of loosing one and turning the machine over. I always use only 3 and I have been putting a piece of panneling between the skate and the machine, but rubber might be a better option like curlyg65 said. I would never go with metal to metal contact
you just 1 upped tubalcain
Are the wheels of the skate just reamed 1/4" for the shaft? I have some spare channel scrap that might find a new life in this.
They are drilled 1/2" . I think 1/4 would be to small if you are moving much weight. Thanks for watching
Ah yeah woops :v
Any issues with friction or slop in the wheel to axle contact? Debating adding a small hole to each roller for pumping in grease.
Rainbows871 not much slop between the axle and wheel, they turn freely and did not give me any trouble moving the shaper, only issue I had was slipping between the skate and shaper foot. I just put some oil on them and that seemed to be enough, they rolled very nice.
I checked the maths while waiting for toast to toast and 6mm steel rod takes 1212kg to shear, much easier to bend but in that position I don't think it has the freedom of movement to do so. 12 axles and you could safely move 6 tonnes I would guess. For a 2 axle skate to take 5T as I am making (FoS 2 so theoretically 10T) it needs a 12.15mm axle. Your four skates can take 30T together I would think as long as something else doesn't break.
Been a few months since I last did a shear calculation so nobody gets so sue me if they tip their machine over on a broken skate
Rainbows871 Sounds good to me, the way they are set up it would need to shear the rod, you are correct, I used what I had and 1/2" was on the shelf so thats what I used.
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I hope you are joking LOL
Steve Summers the dog at the beginning- fake
Ok thumbs down big shorts, show us how you do that on a mill "without expensive tooling" or a horizontal mill with gang cutters??????
KISS YOUR FINGER GOODBYE--YOUR GOING TO LOSE THAT FINGER WITH THE RING ON IT..
Ive seen this done a few times before, but theirs definitely didnt look as nice as yours does, lol.