SNS 220: Shaping 28" Parallel Bars
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- Two pieces of 1" flame cut steel that I'm going to clean up in the shaper for a friend who wants to use them as parallels on his work bench. This is a great job for the shaper.
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28" shaper cut blows my mind. those two "drops" from your work could be enough raw stock to tide me over for a year! grinder slo-mo was sick. great vid!
The start of this video made me think of your video style TOT.. :) No head, just hands!
Thanks Tony! You should see all the heavy iron at work that gets tossed in the scrap bin.
I love those shots where you mount the cam to the ram tool post
it is amazingly relaxing watching this machine.
I’m really enjoying your videos. It’s always a pleasure to look over the shoulder of a journeyman of another trade. Thank you for the time you put into this.
The camera placement on the cutting head was great. Could watch that all day, keep up the quality work..
Used a shaper in high school shop class to make a billet aluminum cribbage board. Must have been the first in a long time to use that shaper. All the grease was dried hard. Took me two days of servicing the machine to be able to use it. Could have easily done the operation on a mill but I just wanted to use the shaper. Took second in a state wide competition. 1st place was a grandfather clock made from brass and aluminum. He definitely earned his win.
FYI, I absolutely love watching you set the piece and square it up. I know it's the tedious part for you, and you may think it's boring to watch, but that is where the magic is... anyone can turn a machine on... having the piece in the right place and setup perfect is where the skill is. Keep up the great work!!!
I'm glad you are doing so good and healing up and able to still edit and produce videos and it was super smart to keep some things is reserve. I can't wait till you are healed up fully and back to 100%. Best wishes Ken.
The sheer brute force of that thing man.... Cutting that steel like it's a block of cheese... How something so brutally strong can be so precise keeps amazing me
speaking of "block of cheese"... lol those chips at 33:12 ... i just keep thinking "raclette cheese" (the fancy restaurant thing, where they bring half a wheel of cheese, torch the side, and then just scrape the hot melted cheese off onto your food)... that tool was definitely not cutting.. it was just squeezing those "chips" off lol.
man... that is the most satisfying and relaxing machine ive ever seen
I learned to use a shaper in High School shop - a Steptoe-Western beast... 1974 or so. Fed my family as a machinist with what I learned there. Great work, and a lost art these days. Keep it alive!
I'm glad you purchased the shaper and took us for this wonderful ride. Most channels don't change much, or don't develop. This channel and your style has continued to improve and develop. So glad to see all this awesome work.
thegreatga Thank you!
I used to run several shapers @ a time back in the mid 80's. Hold +.002 -.000 cutting keyways. They did the job great. Nice looking machine ya got there. I actually miss those old machines! Wish I had a quarter for every keyway I cut.
Thanks 4 sharing!
Some of the best shaper footage I've seen--Really gives an appreciation for the capabilities of those old beasts. Thanks!
Shaper machine is hypnotizing - could watch it cutting & improving surfaces all day - appears to be the perfect tool for the job.
Nice work Abom79. The last time I used a shaper was way back in 1979. The shaper was always one of my favorite machines and I always loved when I got the chance to use it. The shop I worked in had two shapers. One was a Steptoe and the other was a Gould & Eberhardt. The Gould & Eberhardt was customized with a manual transmission out of a truck for changing the speeds. It was a real novelty. I really miss working on machines like that but I believe that most shops have scrapped them. It so great to see a machinist such as yourself keeping his piece of history alive.
So nice to see someone use a shaper. A machine noted to produce really accurate cuts. I used to run a Cincinnati planer shaper. With a sixty foot table. Bet you never operated a machine like that fella. Keep up the great work too.
As a chemical engineer who grew up working on a farm, I still love to see people doing precision work. Doesn't matter whether it's machining, pipe fitting, sheet metal or fabrication, if you have some of these skills, you can figure out how to do anything. I channeled my love of these things into woodworking. I'm a hybrid guy, power and hand tools, and not into fussy little bits. I try to watch these machinists do their magic as much as I can because I learn new setups and measurement techniques.
Ahhh same thing,I've never been around a Machine like that,I've seen a few old Bridgeports but no machining experience what so ever but it's cool to watch
First time I see a shaper for metal ! Your videos bring me back to shop class 50 years ago ! Ended up an automobile / truck mechanic. I always liked "machine shop" in school !
I've been a machinist for over 30 years and never seen a shaper making chips before , there arent that many left out there, and most of those haven't worked in years......thanks
i'm 79and backwhen I was an apprentice machinist in the ca n making industry one of the first machines I used was a shaper.i never ran into one again. we used key stock to practice sharpening different toolbits. one time I needed a tool bit in ahurry and picked up apiece of practice key stock...….wow. I enjoy watching you machine.brings back happy memories. when machinists weremachinists not operators. thank you. gonzo
Yeah, I started my apprenticeship in 1981 and was taught how to use a shaper in the training school but have never seen one in a workshop. Brings back good memories.
Adam, I love the shaper videos, nice to see you put that old machine to work. I hope you are by now feeling better and recovering well.
Enjoying my morning off with a cup of coffee and your videos, has the same feel as if you were just hanging out at you buddies house learning stuff.
I appreciate you sharing your screwups. Allows me to learn at your mistakes instead of mine all the time.
Thanks for being transparent.
I have a small Logan shaper that I rebuilt and am learning to use primarily to develop my skill and to experience what the machinists before me had the skills to operate. It's a damn shame so many of these older machines of all sizes were scrapped when vertical mills proliferated industry. I learn from every video you publish. Your camera work is also exceptional.
Back in the 80's I ran a broach with a 6 foot cutter for doing internal key ways, two passes for a half by three eights key way, they don't make machines like they use to.
That's a beautiful shaper machine. I'm getting an old 10.5inch Douglas shaper in a few weeks time, I can't wait!
There aren't that many machines left that can cut to that accuracy. Excellent job restoring the G&E, thank you for keeping the art or machining alive.
the 0.0005" on the ends were from being unsupported on the ends. Ran machines like that for years (27 years machinist and tool and die maker). Great video great to see old iron still getting it done!
One of the most important tools a machinist can have is their hearing, the sounds of a decent cut and well running machine are a sign of a job going well.
I’m sure everyone here really appreciates the effort that goes into the making of these videos. I know I do. Keep up the great work!
That shaper seams to be working just fine after all the repair work you did to bring it back to life. I watched the video where you did the repairs. That was great to watch as well. I like it!
Nice camera angles, thank you. Those ride-along-with-the-tool were special.
Watched this today and just want to say I and I think many others look to you as an expert. Very cool to see someone so many look up to be confident to admit that he is still learning and has more to learn. Thank you!
I have never seen a machine like that. Mesmerizing
Knowing the amount of work that you put in to get that shaper into the condition it is in, you must get a real sense of satisfaction with every chip that it throws.
As usual, great quality video, content, and very educational.. Enjoyable as always Adam, get well soon man.
Amazing the amount of materials that machine can remove in a pass.
Great content 👍
like the show ..i used to drive for a scrap merchant when nearly all were changing to cnc the amount of lathes millers shapers saws everything you could think of went for scrap .i had a fantastic workshop ! ! . all bought for scrap prices! ! . ,,even had a solar furnace.. ! those were the days ! carry on with the good work{.. using good but old machines that were built to last..}
I never understood how malleable steel is until I started watching this machine. Like a knife through butter. Perfect machine for the job.
The shaper is such a sweet machine. It's like a carpenter with a hand-plane, except super-human.
When i was an apprentice i ran a shaper. Great machine. It really connects you with all the machinist that went before. We used shapers for hogging out castings. You can take some big cuts. I just love shapers.
That shaper is so satisfying to watch and I'm not even a machinist.
Great to spend some time with you in the shop Adam ,those ride along shots were fantastic, something you would never experience usually. Thank you.
Dam that’s satisfying to watch. I’d love to hear that monster tear up steel all day
Haven't run a large Shaper since 1970 HS Machine Shop Class. I like when you can take metal destined for recycle, and make a usable tool. So satisfying to watch that Big Dog eat. Hope your recover y is going well. Hope to see you up and around soon. Got you on my prayer list.
Thank you!
That shaper gets kind of hypnotic to watch.
The sound, even. It nearly sang me to sleep.
That's a satisfying crunching noise …just plowing the stock away.
I never thought I’d hear steel referred to as ‘gummy’! These videos offer a pure, true look into the mind, skills and expertise of an exacting craftsman. I think that’s what appeals to me most.
I remember when I was starting as machinist I had a really hard time getting my head around the concept that steel is considered a soft material
Believe it or not, this is not an uncommon expression among us machinists. Certain types of steel do not cut well. It has to do with their chemistry. I hated machining type 304 stainless. It machines like crap.
@@hootinouts also ... low-carbon steels are difficult to machine due to "gumminess" .. 🙄😒
I've been in engineering for 30 years, and never come across this method of machining. Love to see the old skills in hand ground tools. Tool grinding is a dying art with modern carbide inserts.
I enjoy watching the shaper run hope you're doing well and a great viedo Happy Fourth
15 almost 16 years as a fabricator and this is the first time i ever even heard of this machine let alone ever seen one.. Good shit.
You give away your youth. I had one in the shop where I worked in 1987, although I hardly used it.
Adam, as always an Absolutely Awesome video enjoyed all of it thanks for sharing this video have a great day.!.!.!.
Shapers rule! Of course today with all the CNC Plasma and water jets out there they make cutting thick steel pretty damn accurate and fast. I remember my 1st plasmacam system when I bought it like 22 years I made so.much money off it and I was the only gig in town. Today, as I'm retired but still enjoy the old manual machines since I don't need to hurry out a job or production machining. I'll sit next to that shaper all damn day today...Great Vids and memories Adam....
Hiya Adam. I love watching that big shaper run! when you show it, show full cuts.. we will enjoy watching the whole thing. I have a smaller shaper (12" Whipp with 14" max cut" and I love running that as well.
On your shear tool increase the shear/helix angle even more. Try running a 30 degree angle from parallel to ram travel. More shear angle gives me the finest finish I can get. Of course, with that shear the least stepover feed is needed for the finest finish, along with a light finish cut depth. Thanks again for the great videos!
Absolutely amazing to watch a tool actually being made. Art, pure and simple and a skill I wish I had a tiny bit of.
Hope your recovery doing good , thx for vid.
wk I second that.
It's actually quite soothing to watch the shaper work, it's such a gentle machine compared to a high speed CNC router.
Adam, you might be able to improve the finish on the cut if you ground a small radius on the corner of the cutter..... Rather than have a sharp point.
Also I think you mentioned at this material is HRS. Hot rolled steel, in my experience, is a very gummy material...... It's hard to get a good shiney finish on it.
When you see a shaper removing one, two ,three inches of metal ( you had better have ear defenders on) you can really appreciate theses truly remarkable machines
Keeping the old ways alive Adam. You sir are rapidly becoming a living, breathing, walking history lesson for any would be engineer. Non of that CNC crap here.
I'm not a Machinist, will never be a Machinist. I have no interest in in ever becoming a Machinist.... But I love this chanel. And these videos
Always loved the shaper. Such a beast of a machine.
Definitely a fan of the shaper cam
What an impressive shaper. I never expected to see a shaper be of use in a modern shop, this video made a believer out of me
I would have thought I would have something better to do than watch someone else's machine outside work hours, but na.
It hit 46.3c here in Adelaide that's 115 f , (one of our machines cooked a spindle) so I happy now to sit back with a cold drink and watch someone else working. :)
The shaper is such a cool machine. I love watching those huge cuts
That is an awesome piece of machinery.
Adam, love your videos and they are very educational. What’s great is that you commented that you are learning too which shows how good you are. You’re always willing to accept your deficiencies and improve upon them. I’d be interested if you could tell us how you setup the shaper (ways, levelling, maintenance) as well as introduce us to it workings since a lot of us have never seen a machine like this and it’s hella cool. Would also be interested in how you setup the tools and why you choose certain profiles/angles etc. Thanks for sharing.
I'd really love to see the inner working of this machine. Great video, learned something new today.
Jason of Fireball Tool has a video where he shows the inside of his shaper. Just search Fireball Tool shaper and it should pop up.
Shaper cam, Indicator cam, grinder slo-mo! Great job on the parallels as well as the camera work there.
I ran a shaper for 2 years exclusively and I learned negative rake tools were hard on the machine. They push the clapper box against the hing pin not against the back of the ram. Notice the chips how they are welded together. The bouncing of the tool can be clearly seen in the results of the first finish. As soon as you changed to a positive rake all that went away. Secondly hot roll loves surface feet. The faster the better, I've found. So get a piece of hot roll and increase the surface feet per minute at least 2-3 times using the very same tooling. I think you'll find surface finish much improved.
On a 24 " stroke, at triple the speed he is going to need to bolt that machine down. While playing around in an earlier video, he got that g&e hopping pretty good. It moved noticeably across the floor with every stroke.
Robert Burns I have tested some of the higher stroke speeds and especially at those Kong’s stokes I do not like the way that ram hammers back and forth. The higher surface speed would help but I don’t want to push it that hard. I’m learning that the positive rake tools are working better for low carbon steel.
I had seen an old shaper sitting in the back of my HS machine shop and I could not figure how it worked. It makes total sense now. Hopefully We can get that thing running one day just for the hell of it.
That machine harkens back to the movies of steam ship engines starting up. Impressive.
What an amazing machine tool. Wow. Thanks for sharing this, Abom79.
Nice work and great to see old machines being used.
The deviation when you ran the clock over it on the surface table may have been caused by the stock faces not being parallel.
Thus transferring that error to the machined faces.
I remember these old shapers when I first started engineering college during 1989
They were slow but at the time more accurate for squareness and parallelism than a milling machine.
I *really* appreciate your videos. I came across your channel about two weeks ago and almost every time I have spare time to learn something on TH-cam, I invariably end up watching one or more of your videos. The quality of the work you do in machining and fabrication is equaled only by the attention of detail you put into the video. How anyone could possibly hit a thumbs down on any of your videos is rather strange. I would say I was surprised, except that fallen human nature (jealousy, a sense of self-importance, insecurity [e.g., pride]) has been one thing that remains unchanged.
Again, thank you for giving us a glimpse of such excellent work!
Slo-mo spark cam was awesome.
Cool machine Abomb. Thanks for posting. Hope all is well and recover quickly so we can watch more chips fly soon.
.001 over 28" is pretty darn good for a shaper.
Nice cut, too. A36 steel? The steel might have moved some due to stress relief.
How're you feeling? Recovery going well, I hope.
Thanks,
John
Caveman's Mancave Doing well John.
Iam amazed at how the Shaper Just tears off metal with such precision. Its Orsome Thanks again for your videos Adam
What a beast machine, its literally just shoving metal out of its way. Im hoping you have some videos on how this thing works
Basically a big flywheel inside it with an off-center crank that connects to an upright member that transfers to rotating force into a back and forth motion like a piston in your car.
Nice work and filming, as usual Adam. Glad to see this finally- you teased a while back. ---Aaron
I have no clue why this was in my recommended but this is super cool
Seeing that shaper in action is a thing of beauty.
6:00 Early 4th of July fireworks - looking at it with the right squint and you can see the number 4.
Adam, I worked in a machine shop most of my life. This is what was always stated to me over and over again, "You can not check enough whether the bolts are tight for safety". Never forget this important fact. Good day too.
Anybody else resisting the urge to duck when it comes right at the camera?
So satisfying to watch though. Do you watch the whole time or start the camera and walk away?
Edit: (possible noob question) could you attach a hone or some kind of abrasive to the shaper?
This really shows off the shaper. I have enjoyed every episode. Thanks Adam.
Flame cut surfaces produce a hard layer that wears HSS tools heavily just as the surface of hot rolled steel does.
I love watching and listening to that shaper work.
Hope you are doing well.
Thanks.
Old world skills...love it. I worked in a huge shop that had a planer. This machine was not run in the whole time I had been there but management assigned me to it with a job.. I had never run one in my life. Once I figured out the handles and buttons I set up the job and was using hi speed tools with grinds similar to the ones you were using. Wasn't coming out with much of a finish.There was an old guy...you know the type....Silver hair and you thought he had elves in his toolbox. He watched me struggle from across the isle for half a day then walked across the isle with a tool in his hand...Approx 1" of rex 95 with a bullnose radius approx. 1/4"-3/8" with a huge rake. "Try this son" and he walked back to his box. I was skeptical but put the tool in the holder and started to cut. Man was I surprised. That tool gave a great finish even with the deeper cut. We worked on big steam turbines and large power plant equipment. An alloy used in the turbines was called waspalloy and would wreak havoc with carbide tools in the interrupted cuts. Hi-speed was the only tool that would hold up. Enjoying your vids....I'm retired now and they sure are bringing back some memories.
Adam,
Thanks for the great video! For me, there's something hypnotic about watching your shaper run. I could watch it for hours.
Thanks again! Hope your recovery is going well!
Have a good one!
Dave
I love how people are commenting right and wrong. I never heard him say he was the end all be all expert. Just this was how he was gonna do it
yea ... he did good job
from scrap to a great shop made tool excellent work Adam
Love watching this machine work. Since you said the bars were bowed a little from the flame cut drawing the metal, could that half a thou been from removing the harder cut metal and relaxing the piece once the clamps were removed?
I was curious if the bow was from both ends being unsupported by the vise a being able to flex the tiniest bit.
You made me watch a simple shaping process for half an hour Abom thanks.Only because it brought some memories,last time I used one was when I was an apprentice over 38 years ago.
Roughing both sides first before finishing would probably have gotten you a straighter set of bars. Still pretty close though - plenty good enough for bench work. Also, since that material was so soft it would have helped to grind the tool so that the side rake was positive rather than negative. Been a while since I've run a shaper. Or a planer. Those were some enjoyable machines to run.
Shaping. Like turning straight surfaces. Beautiful.
Mr. Pete made at least one video testing a shear tool for the lathe on different materials. Among them mild steel which did not give good results neither. In another video, I think, he tested the tool on lead flywheels for model steam engines. That worked surprisingly well on this super gummy material.
if Adam does not find them in reasonable time how could the rest of us? If you try dozens of geometries, cutting materials and tuen dozens of bars to chips probably you will finally find your speeds and feeds. But is that practical to do at home?