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Recording with or without Direct Monitoring? | CUBASE TIPS
There’s not much that’s more annoying than trying to record when you can’t hear yourself!
In the past, maybe you clicked a few buttons with pictures of speakers on them, or moved a few faders around until you could kind of hear what was going on.
No more!
In today’s I’ll show you exactly how to use the monitoring options available to you in Cubase.
Whether you want to monitor through Cubase itself, or your audio interface I’ll show you how to set it up for the best results.
Timestamps
0:35 The “monitor” option in Cubase
1:25 Overview of signal routing in your DAW
2:28 Latency defined
2:55 Managing latency in Cubase
4:24 How buffer size affects latency
6:10 Monitoring through your audio interface
7:37 The downside to monitoring through your audio interface
9:05 A workaround for using effects in Cubase while monitoring through your interface
11:10 Using Cubase’s direct monitor option in audio settings
13:19 Drawbacks to Cubase direct monitoring
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Man this video is a miracle. Direct monitoring has bugged me for some time and I feel more confident turning on direct monitoring and routing either a stereo audio with reverb in my project window (which I didn't know, thank you so much) or option 2 in my zoom L12 livetrak add reverb to give the singer some effects on her headphones during recording knowing it will only be dry signal recorded which I'm aware off anyway (why didn't I think of the adding of reverb from my audio interface, so thank you again) after watching this video just boosted my knowledge and skills. Been a subscriber for over 2 years and you still making quality videos for us. ✊
You do such great videos with these gems! Your work is much appreciated
Another ripper of a tutorial. Thanks to you Mr Selim, my audio journey is a steep learning curve that I really enjoy.
Thanks Chris , that was clear overview of the direct monitoring feature in Cubase
Finally...!! This is the video I've been waiting for for so long. Thank you, Chris Selim!! Kind greetings from The Netherlands.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent as usual Chris and just so informative, but more importantly easy to understand. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it
This was extremely helpful. Thank you for your information.
Thank you! I'm a drummer who just got back into recording and built a rig with the tascam 16x8 and cubase 11 artist and the latency is real. You just saved me from myself!
😲MG!!!! THANKS brother 🙏🏾! Last session I wanted to apply Autotune live as the singer was singing and this explains why!!! U are always dropping Golden Nuggets with more details that I ever expect. Thank you again
My pleasure!!
The "work around" tip is gold! Thank you Chris!!
Happy to help!
Just found your channel, and your videos are helping me a lot Chris. Very clear and easy understanding! Thank you very much!;-)
Great helpful video Chris! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Oh man! The tip on 9:50 is great! Thank you so much!
Thank Chris, good to address this topic.
Any time!
Thank you very much. This was really helpful.
5:10 « and voilà » very pleasant to hear some french words Chris. Thanks for all your great videos. Greeting from France
Bienvenue ! ;)
That was a good technical video with a lot of good information.
I worked before with a Presonus interface and could do the trick about mix direct with processed signal, for example to add reverb to a voice at recording (you mentioned the old video where you show that). Since a couple of months I have a UR-RT4, that you mention at 13:12. I am glad you confirm here that, when working with direct monitoring, you can add effects from the DSP (that works very well) but NOT from the DAW. I had tried all kind of tricks, working with FX channels, sends, duplicated channels, hiring wizards, throwing spells, and so on, without success. I wanted, for example, add delay or similar, but to do that I need to disable the direct monitoring function. It is a very nice interface, though. What good is too, is that, if I send signal to a cue mix and this is routed to outputs 3 and 4 (Mix 2), the direct monitoring works too.
great video with all the info you need, thankyou
super explanation! Thanks
Very clear explanation, thank you so much!
Of course!
Very nice explained :) all the best for Chris
Thank you 🙂 All the best to you to!
Looking forward about that tutorial about direct monitoring as it applies to my Steinberg UR-RT4.
Very interesting and helpful. Thanks
Very welcome
Thank you? it was really a great help for me!
Very usefull information! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Merci beaucoup pour l'astuce , je vous félicite monsieur pour votre esprit de partage .
Bienvenue!
Great info again! Thanks!
Any time!
Great video. Thank you!
Love it Chris Thank you Again and Again
My pleasure!
This is really helpful. Direct Monitor and Use the DSP reverb in the audio interface (Antelope Orion). Light bulb switches on in my brain. I thank you kindly, Sir. 😎♥️
You're welcome!
Very cool 🙏 many Thanks!
Thank You so much It will solve my problem. I use a limiter on my master stereo output to avoid latency
Glad I could help
Dankeschön. Verbraucht nicht soviel Ressourcen und Latenz. Effekte werden eh nicht mit aufgenommen. Echt guter Tipp Chris. Gleich ausprobiert und stimmt. 👌
very clear, thanks man
You're welcome!
Thank you! I could not disable mic inputs on playback because I have those "sliders" up on the Interface control panel..... Now I can )))
Thanks Chris. I have a UR28M Steinberg interface. It has that built in direct monitoring VST channel strip with Yamaha reverb and guitar amp models. I could never figure out how to make that work as described, just because I misunderstood the signal flow. Now I do, thanks to your simple explanation. Thanks for turning the lights on for me. As Homer Simpson would say, "Doh".
You're welcome! I think of your audio interface, you have the old DSPmixFX. I made a vidoe a couple of years ago on the old DSPmixFX th-cam.com/video/eqW5hwFSqkA/w-d-xo.html
@@mixdownonline Thank you for that link Chris. I really appreciate it. I don't know how I didn't watch that at the time you produced it. I've been getting your notifications for several years now.
Thank you for explaining this. :)
You're welcome!
That's Awesome...thnks
You are GREAT! Cubase needs to sponsor or hire you
Thanks man, that was helpful!
Glad it helped!
a great explanation.....and very helpful. I had never really had an issue with latency...then recording banjo tracks whamo......hmmmm. Turned off plugins, went to direct and thats all I need at this stage of my project...... 🙂
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it
Great video...well done
Thank you!
I'm using a UR28M in my project studio and a UR44 for portable recordings. These actually allow the DSP EQ and Compressor functions to be part of the recorded signal. The Rev-X reverb is only available for monitoring and that's OK because I wouldn't normally want to record reverb but rather add it later. It is great however for the vocalist because they can tweak it as they like and it wont become part of the recorded take.
Take care.
Yeah, it's an awesome tool when recording :-)
Great stuff Chris! Coincidentally I just worked this stuff out last week for my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 using their Focusrite Control software to add Direct Monitoring on to any input and I used Cue2 to give some reverb to the performers headphones. This works great, the only compromise being using punch-in (in tape machine recording mode) when the singer is singing along to the part already recorded before the punchin point, they will hear the latency doubling effect until punch-in when they only hear their direct signal and the reverb. I suppose there’s no way around this other than your first option of low sample rate.
I never use Tape Machine Style Monitoring when working with an interface that has no Cubase DM support. Keep the recording mode to Manual. Doesn't matter much, the signer will just hear himself during Playback, no big deal :) And by keeping the recording mode to Manual, activate your Reverb channel's Monitor so it always stays active.
@@mixdownonline wow thanks Chris, I never knew I could keep a channel active. I’ll try it shortly 👍
Hi Chris, my reverb is on an FX channel and FX channels have no monitor button so I couldn't do your suggestion (unless I misundertood you), however I noticed the main shortcoming of my setup is on playback before punch-in, the singer in Cue2 headphones only hears the wet reverb signal and not the dry signal but I found a workaround from parts of suggestions from the Steinberg Cubase forum by activating/recording simultaneously on 2 audio channels as follows in manual record mode as follows:
1st audio channel : input 1 (mic), monitor OFF (only plays back recorded signal), Cue 2 (headphones) ON, Send to FX ON.
2nd audio channel :input 1 (mic), monitor ON (only monitors signal being recorded), Cue 2 (headphones) OFF, Send to FX ON.
FX reverb channel has Cue2 (headphones) ON of course to hear the wet reverb signal..
Now the singer hears the playback audio dry & wet signal via 1st audio channel and their singing direct from Focusrite Scarlett direct monitorin outside of Cubase, but also wet signal via Cubase from 2nd audio channel.
It's a bit of extra hassle but not much for a perfect session. Just have to delete the 2nd audio track (or just events/parts) after finished recording. Hope that helps others with only outboard direct monitoring!
Thanks chris goood tip
Thank you Selim.
Always welcome
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It's The new revolution for music production.
Thanks 🙌
This is very helpful. I was pretty overwhelmed when I first got my Steinberg UR44 C and Cubase 10.5. Thank you. I wonder if you could do a sort of relatively quick setup and monitoring choices- say with a guitar or a quick vocal. Record that and let us hear it working as you monitor. Oh and thank you for including some magnification of the screens where you are accessing certain drop downs. Very helpful. Halfway through my mix down Academy for Cubase now. This is going to help me a lot!
With the Steinberg UR interface you will get an additional panel on top in mixer called "hardware". On the right, it has a tiny 3way routing switch for inserting a real time compressor / EQ and a send for an internal reverb, which is a shared send for all directly monitered tracks. You get to choose whether you record the compressor / eq on the track or just use it during monitoring.
For older UR interfaces, you're correct @Realeaven2000 but not for the UR C Series, the Harware Mixer Tab was replaced by a full Section on the left Zone of the project window
Yes Chris, I also would like a direct monitoring video with a Steinberg interface. I have a UR 44 (the original, not the "C" series) and am a little confused on how to use the DSP that came with the interface. Thanks!
Excellent info. I’ve been doing this for some time and always used a mixer for monitoring to overcome the latency issue, however routing the input signal to a stereo channel to monitor the reverb is brilliant. Always learning something new.
Thanks for sharing - Cheers,
mvh
Digital Performer 8 user here.
Very welcome!
Ou yeah!... Right on man
Thanks👍👍
Welcome 👍
@mixdownonline Hi Chris, thanks for the Video! I was wondering if I can realize the same method you mention at 8:55 when I want to monitor multiple tracks with the same FXs - In my case 16 Tracks of drums? I just got an RME UFX III Interface and the DSP FX are "OK" but not really the greatest sounding to my ears. So I want to use a quality VST reverb to add some room to my drums while tracking. Any tipps on how I can do this? Thanks so much! 🙏🏻
Hi Chris, I am thinking of upgrading my audio interface, and I am in between of Focusrite scarlett 2i2 3rd gen, PreSonus studio 24c, and audient iD4 mk2. What do you suggest and what is your opinion on the latency of each of them?
Thank you
Of course!
thanks bro
Of course!
Really good video for me! I have a question. If I do monitoring with zero latency through my audio interface like this video ,does recording with large buffer size(like 1024, 2048) have any impact on recording quality or I can record with that large size?? Thank you for your great effort
Master peace trick Chris
You're welcome!
Great video! How would you rate the EVO 8 against the Focusrite 18i8?
Never tried the Focusrite so hard to tell.
Hi Chris!
Do you have a UR-RT4 intergration video?
Thank you!
Hi Chris , Thank you for everything I have UR-RT4 But I can't use Headphone 1 & 2 In simultaneously !
Please Help me ! what can I do?
I really NEED a video explaining the UR44C with the control room! It's driving me nuts! Please help!
It is worth noting that if you monitor through Cubase, plugins in the signal path (from the channel to master and control room) can add additional latency on top of the interface buffer. Especially things like limiters on the master channel or e.g. Sonarworks in linear phase mode in control room.
The solution is to either disable (not only bypass) those manually or hit the “constrain delay compensation “ button in the toolbar which will disable all plugins with a latency higher than n milliseconds, where n is a value you can set in Preferences->VST->delay compensation threshold.
You're right...That is actually next week's topic...“constrain delay compensation “ Very confusing for a lot :-)
Thanks for this video. I am wondering about another potential issue. Is it possible that direct monitoring gives a false idea of the synchronization between recorded instrument and the playback ?
Not really, Cubase delay compensation is top notch, all working under the hood!
What about when you're using a stand alone guitar plugin in order to record into an advanced sessions that have plenty of plugins? There's a way to monitoring without latency and record at the same time? maybe using virtual sends? what about when you want to record a guitar with stereo fxs from that stand alone plugin? I appreciate if you can do a tutorial explain this. Thank you.
Great Chris, now what about Direct Monitoring vs Control Room, I would to hear about these and what each can do for you and what limitations as far as how many tracks/instruments? I believe only 4 tracks can be controlled with Control Panel, gee I hope I have this right.....Cheers Bruce
You mean working with the CUE Mix feature? Same thing applies. The signal goes in Cubase to get to the Control Room and Cue Mixes so you need to record at a low buffer size
Yes correct “cue mix”
I will rematch the video again Chris! What I want to understand is, Cubase vs interface vs cue mix, which would be the better path to use for recording and to send a monitor mix to the players/musicians? Thanks for your education. Keep up the great work👍
Have you ever tried comparing monitoring from cubase vs through your audio interface. I noticed a diference in audio quality.. not Just latency. I can Hear a better and full audio signal, especially with low frecuencies when usiing direct monitor through my audient id14
Thank you so much for the video. I am planning to use Cubase for our band's live shows and I am going to turn on direct monitor on cubase for my pluggins to work. My signal chain is Instruments -> Presonus board -> Cubase (Laptop) -> presonus board -> Left Right Output. For our band practice it sounds good enough but I am concerned about outdoor gig. Is that a normal practice?
You're welcome! Yes, that should work, but why using Cubase for live gigs if you already go through a Presonus Board?
@@mixdownonline So that I could use nice pluggins on Cubase which Presonus Mixer board don't have it and I do multi tracking for bass and vocals for some extra punch. Am I doing too much?
Can you use Cue sends as direct monitoring on the cubase channel with axr4?
1 question please i can use my phone in thr10x cubase ai i can add effects cubase in thr10x problem maybe latency..or strange sound in double chanel low sound ...
Bro, thank you very much for that video, but I have a question, it would be highly appreciated if you have the time to answer. I'm on Cubase. RME HDSP9632 + RME QuadMic II Preamp. I want to record through a Neve 1073 Plugin + LA-2A Plugin. I insert those two FX on my Audiochannel I want to record on and turn the monitor button on. Do I now hear only the processed signal (the effects of the 2 plugins) or do I hear the dry and the wet signal at the same time on my headphones?
Hello! If you monitor through Cubase without Direct Monitoring but with the Monitor button ON, you will hear the processed sound with the plugins inserted on your channel. Just make sure you don't also monitor a dry signal from your RME Interface at the same time as your Cubase signal. Hope that helps!
hi chris, I have the ur816c why I don't see the hardvare in the inspector on the left? nor in the mixer. there is not thancks
Hello Chris, I've been having a serious challenge. I'm trying to vst plugins on my Behringer wing mixer for my church. It's there a way I can use plugins without monitoring? I've observed that sound doesn't come out if I don't enable monitoring.
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Thanks!
Maybe a stupid question. Is there a standard Windows keyboard shortcut to toggle the monitoring if a channel on or off? I could not find it yet😂
I Hi! After installing the latest update 11.0.10 my low latency 4 millisek M-Audio Fireire 410 disappeared!
Now it’s only the the “generic low latency ASIO-driver” with 40 msek latency that is selectable inside Cubase 11 Artist.
I run Win 10 64-bit. Any advice?
Great video. Thanks. At the end, would you say the best option is an Audio Interface with a DSP?
It's definitely a great option if you can afford it. They usually are a bit more expensive depending on the brand and how many channels you need.
If you want to be able to use Direct Monitoring, a Steinberg interface is the only option.
@@svenisaksson3970 Focusrite gear also have direct monitoring but I don’t think they have DSP effects 🤔 Must check this out 👍
@@kdcyp No, I don't believe they do. Note that the term Direct Monitoring can be a bit tricky. It's a generic term for a specific kind of monitoring. But it's also a feature in Cubase. Just because a manufacturer says that their interface has direct monitoring doesn't mean that it compatible with Steinbergs implementation.
For example, MOTU says that my 828es is capable of Direct Monitoring (and it is, with MOTU software), but it's not compatible with Steinbergs implementation (the Direct Monitoring checkbox is greyed out).
This is important to keep in mind when choosing an audio interface, if DM is important to you. Perhaps someone whith access to a Focusrite interface can check if their implementation is compatible with Cubase (the Direct Monitoring checkbox is NOT greyed out).
@@svenisaksson3970 if your interface have direct monitoring, you don't have to use Cubase Direct monitoring because it is implemented in hardware. You didn't listen carefully what Chris was saying
What about for guitar? If I want to record my playing, remove latency, but still hear the simulated effects from the software (which include distortion, phaser, etc), how would I go about it?
I can't find a way to use interface direct monitoring while tracking and using pre-roll. I can hear the sound of what was recorded trough my DAW but when the armed track start to record I hear the channel doubled. From DAW and interface direct monitoring... I can't think in a workaround.. usually I monitor directly by DAW but my new interface have a mixer that can be controlled by iPad and that's very useful..
Tell us more about this AXR4 update :)
It's a firmware update that should be released in the near future. You have a AXR4?
@@mixdownonline Yeah, I was beginning to think it was abandonware as there haven't been any updates since last August (and I think they were very minor). Is there anything exciting being added? I'm slightly jealous of the cheaper series having the iPad app! Is there any chance we might see an app for the AXR4?
@@mixdownonline Oh, and it would be great if they could fix the bug where the AXR4 side panel doesn't show when you're using control room (unless you assign another pair of outs as a non-control room outs). I'm not using the digital in/outs so i assign these, but it's a bit annoying!
@@mixdownonline Hey Chris, Still no sign of this firmware upgrade. Have you heard anything you're able to share?
@@paultumelty I would also be interested 🙂
What is point of direct monitoring on audio interface when daw has low latency mode? Like some audio interfaces Motu and ssl Scarlett have ability for monitoring and adjusting volume on interface but no fx right? So why use it
Chris How do I turn off the yellow monitor when I am recording I can not hear the monitor yellow because of delay and does not let me hear what I recorded to punch in
If I on direct monitoring in cubase , there is any quality issue in recording vocal quality?
I have a focusrite ISA one going into my Scarlett 18i8 and I adjust the size and it still has the same amount of latency no matter what size I select. Anyone have any idea why this is ???
sir, i am facing a major problem... please trying to solve my problem.. my first instrumental or audio track recording red icon i can not disable. another track is ok but first track can not disable recording icon.. please help...
I can’t turn off the reverb on the Steinberg and I don’t know how to access the DSP mix effects to turn it down
So much reverb even before I turn on cubase
it seems that the monitoring sound is different with the sound exported in cubase .why?
Yo, can somebody help me? So, I'm on day 2 of trying to set up a personal headphone mix with a direct monitored vocal with dspfxmix added in for recording vocals. I am using Cubase 8 Artist (so no control room), and a Steinberg Ur 824. I officially have it set up to work without direct monitoring. But with direct monitoring, I can not get the vocal track to sound right on Mix 2 L/R which is where I'm sending the headphone mix too, while my assistant on the PC can still hear the original track in his headphones in Mix 1 L/R. I have tried swapping Mix 2 L/R to main output, everything. The direct monitor vocals that sound right always comes out of the stereo output. How do i get this signal into my headphones. I'm losing it at this point. lol.
Hi Chris 👍
Hello!
@@mixdownonline great tip, ty
Something that is not gone over very much, that we need more info on IMO, is using effects during tracking! For example....if a singer needs reverb, and possibly compression or auto-tune during their performance....but you don't have any outboard gear to make it happen that way...how can you make it happen with plugins, while still preserving the performance and low latency! How to make it happen without a DSP enabled interface, like UAD's Apollo interfaces etc., and no outboard gear either!
In that case, bring your buffer size at the lowest that your computer and interface can handle and use plugins that don't generate delay so Cubase doesn't need to delay compensate for them. I will cover “Cubase constrain delay compensation “ in next week's video.
And btw, I never use Auto-Tune while recording. Not helpful for a singer IMO ;-)
How to use 2 audio interfaces same time in Cubase
Right way ❤🙏🙏🙏🙏
Do you know how can I fix this problem? When I want to export a mixdown in cubase the screen for exporting pops up but its too big and I cant click on the export audio botton. Thanks!
That's probably a Display Settings issue on your computer, maybe your resolution id too small or something, try changing your display resolution on Windows or Mac to give you the change to resize the export window and then change it back to your preferred resolution. Hope that makes sense!
@@mixdownonline thak you! I'll try.
What about using compensation delay available in cubase?
It disables all the effects and insert/send plugins, not always handy.
That can be useful if you already have a bunch of plugins in your session. Cubase compensates by delaying all the other channels so all channels stay in sync. Constrain Delay Compensation will turn off all the plugins that generate delay, so you can record with a minimal delay Compensation effect. I will make a video next week on this with a good example to show up :-)
@@rolandgerard6064 no it doesn´t, you just have to modify delay compensation threshold in preferences to a value over 0 and voilá
Very important subject. You're missing one vital point, though! How do you use your "non-direct monitor compliant interface" method with Tape Machine Style Monitoring. The problem is that this mode automatically turn on the "Monitor" button on the channel when you punch in recording or stop playback! So, the method you describe won't work with the Tape Machine Style Monitoring mode.
I've been wrestling with this for quite a while. I'm using a MOTU 828es interface. It's an excellent interface, but i doesn't support DM. As far as I know, only Steinberg interfaces do. Although, according to Greg Ondo, there's no thechnical reason why other manufactures can't support DM too. Only the N.I.H. syndrome.
I never use Tape Machine Style Monitoring when working with an interface like the EVO8 which has no Cubase DM support. Keep the recording mode to Manual. Doesn't matter much, the signer will just hear himself during Playback, no big deal :)
@@mixdownonline I (and many others) ALWAYS use Tapemachine Style moitoring, as it's the only workable way. Perhaps you never need to do punch ins. Then I'm envious of the quality of musicians you have the privilidge of working with.
@@svenisaksson3970 Don't get me wrong, I love Tape Machine style when monitoring through Cubase or with Cubase's Direct monitoring active, but if I'm recording from an interface that doesn't support Cubase's Direct Monitoring, Manual mode is the way to go and will do the job even for punch ins etc, did this in several recording situations with clients in the past 18 years. With that said, if this is not workable for you, I would suggest you sell your Focurite and get a Steinberg UR-C24 Interface, it's support Direct monitoring and has DSP Fx for monitoring, it's seriously a good option.
@@mixdownonline Well, I beg to differ.
1. I don't use a Focusrite interface. I use a MOTU 828es.
2. The reason I use an 828es is that Steinberg ruined my MSR-816 by sending out malware that was masqurading as a driver update.
3. I wouldn't touch any Steinberg hardware, with a ten foot pole!
As far as I'm concerned the Steinberg UR-C24, or any Steinberg interface i a piece of junk! You never know when Steinberg will brick it in a feeble attempt to force you to buy a new one!
@@svenisaksson3970 I understand your frustration. Just so you know, I've been working with Steinberg Hardware for years and never had a problem. Sorry you had problems with them :(
With every problem there is a answer - Chris
Hi from a newbie
Hope you enjoyed the video :)
Hello fro Gatineau
Yeah! Gatineau...I was born in Ottawa, but raised in Gatineau! :-)
@@mixdownonline Yes sir
literally nothing happens when i click control panel in stufio setup wtf ughhhh 2000 dollar zen studio has trash 22 inpit latence and 30 output.. whyyyy why does this button do nothing
A big difference
Thanks!
how to control all from the daw and not mess around with the Evo control. How to properly direct monitoring is a pain in the b...to configure. and in this video, it is not clear how to do it. thanks.