Italy's Peace Plan For the War In Ukraine
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- Here's a summary of the proposal at this stage: www.yahoo.com/video/italy-pro...
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Part 5. Italy reserves the right to switch sides during the conflict.
World war moment
Historical moment
It's amazing how much more we respect Germany, despite being unequivocally"The Bad Guy" the 2nd go-around, just because they stuck it out to the most bitter end possible, unlike Italy, those pussies.
If this was Reddit I'd give you gold 🏅🏅🏅🏅
@Lobstar cause they did it twice, and the first time, it was the same government that allied with a different side
Italy is forgetting that Ukraine already had security agreements with Russia, particularly when they relenquished nuclear weapons to Russia.
Ukraine didn’t want the nukes. They are expensive and they couldn’t handle that
Ukie cannot use them also because the launch code is in moscow. Also dont forget ukie also break minsk agreement
@@dax354able and russia invaded a sovereign state
@@dax354able wrong!
Putin broke the Minsk agreements by recognising the pro Russian breakaway regions of Ukraine as independent states!
And NATO agreed not to spread further eastwards after German reunification and the collapse of the Soviet Union. They continued to move east. Poland, the Balkans, and the Baltics. Then, they moved for Ukraine and Russia finally responded, after Ukraine had been bombing and shelling pro Russian separatists in the east for years. Let's say this happened the other way around. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia recovered and started pushing westward, bringing the former Soviet states back under their control. Then, a pro American rebel group appeared in, say, Poland, and Russia started bombing the shit out of their civilians. NATO would get involved immediately. In fact, they would likely start another world war over that
“You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth”
Brilliant Chinese proverb
"A conquering army on the border will not be stopped by eloquence."
--Otto Von Bismarck
YES!!!
Bismarck is right.
He was a brilliant commander.
Very true, but you should also not invite such an army from the borders to your soil.
I wouldn’t agree to shit if you invaded my country
Yeah it’s a little difficult
Well when that country has been doing sh*t since 2014 there wasnt much of an option for russia
Russia wouldn’t agree to BS peace plan. They want to teach NATO and Ukraine a lesson. The west has been poking the Russian bear and killing Russian speaking civilians for too long.
Totally agree with you
Then you'd be opening the room for more war and possible extermination
Do not give an inch of land or you’ll be having this done again in 5 years
What? Thats where Ukraine being added to NATO and E.U comes in.
@@aboi6638 thats where world war 3 comes in. This is the exact reason theyre not in nato to begin with
@@Captain__cooked The entire point is deterrence, Russia is less likely to attack a NATO nation
@@aboi6638 yeah again nato isnt gonna risk world war 3 over ukraine hate to say. Russia would however because theyre not letting nato right next to Russians industrial and economic heartland.
@@aboi6638 nato could’ve let them join before the invasion. They said no. What makes you think they actually give a fuck about Ukraine?
Good luck with that nonstarter of a plan.
Yeah there's no security guarantee for Russia, it won't work out
Exactly. Bilateral Talks would go exactly like this:
Russia: We want Donetsk and Luhansk to be given independence, Recognition of our annexation of Crimea, and Kherson to guarantee the water supply to Crimea. Also, Ukraine will agree to never join any military alliances to which Russia is not a member.
Ukraine: Russian Delegation. Go F*** Yourself! Here’s our offer…we get everything back and you get nothing.
As a European I can say that there is a Pro Russian sentiment in Italy. In many European countries tbh. Give it time and this sentiment will grow.
@@rvdberg92 They were wrong in WWII and they are wrong again. Why on earth would they be pro-Putin? He's a thief and a criminal maniac.
@@rvdberg92 unfortunately as Italian I can tell you are right and we will do our best to be the most damaging traitor of the Atlantic treaty.
Ukraine says no peace til they defeat Russia...
So no more Ukraine...
No more 40k of rashists. more are yet to come.
Nice plan but useless after Zelensky said that they will not accept any agreements with Russia until all of Ukraine is liberated.
Not a nice plan, it wouldn’t do anything except allow Russia to resupply.
Then we can get rid of that clown and talk about peace.
Ukraine is not getting liberated it’s getting defeated and losing ground everyday!
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Not a single Ukrainian will accept peace if some of our territories occupied. Putin will just attack later, it’s postponed war
I give it two months before Italy switch sides
You ain't wrong. 🍝
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🤣🤣 as an italian i hope not ot i'll fucking leave the country
So being reasonable and trying to build a Third position with France and Germany is switching sides? Which side? The one of the Anglo Saxons? Who are responsible for This war as much as the Russians are?
@@Luca-cs8fy Ahahahahah, Certo, intanto ho 2 lauree e lavoro all'estero con un salario sopra la media Italica. Continua ad esprimere volgarita' e a fare sfoggio della tua ignoranza pezzente, andrai lontano.
Russia - 'we have issues with just 4 of those parts.'
Italy's that kid that asks about homework at the end of class
Point 3 is the total deal-breaker. You'll never get Russia to pull out of Donbass and Crimea voluntarily, and that's the only acceptable outcome for Ukraine. 100% never gonna happen.
Russia won't agree to leave Kherson either. Ukraine would just impose water, energy and transport blockade on the Crimean peninsula again, it would look like an obvious defeat in thebwar for Russia, so never gonna happen, no matter what you offer in exchange. Infact, Russia is highly unlikely to voluntarily withdraw from any territories it currently holds. Russia has only one option other than accept humiliation. It's fighting for the victory.
@@Levon_RnD True, and they can never win this fight. And Crimea won't last long with no water, and no bridge to Russia.🤷 And that bridge is coming down as as soon as the HIMARS get in range.
@@MichaelBerthelsen Well, that's what you Westerners expect. I'm sure Ukraine will be decisively defeated.
@@Levon_RnD Well, keep huffing that copium.😉👍
@@MichaelBerthelsen Let's wait and see, the time will do justice for our claims.
Italy: (tries to resolve international geopolitical conflicts)
Also Italy: collapses three governments in one legislature
Low-key poggers
It was mostly an emergency one to begin with and also the last time the Italians got to actually vote was almost a decade ago when it should have been every 4 years, so it wasn't a surprise at all that the government fell because of the greedy old fucks on the chairs stop agreeing with each other
And thank goodness that those governments have fallen, since they were governments not voted by the Italians, today we finally have a government voted by the majority of Italians.
Yes, get the United Nations involved as we have seen time and time again they always solve everything completely.
Wouldn't happen anyways, since Russia has veto power on the UN security council.
@@BlackEpyon they'd be doing the US a favor tbh otherwise it would be *Bosnia 2: Electric Boogaloo*
Hahah.. a pinch of sarcasm
I could literally sense the sarcasm dripping off every word. 😂
@@ledfloyd9035 exactly. As a Bosnian, DONT TRUST THE UN. Bunch of lying smurfs.
Italy be like: stop fighting and be good
No shit, Italy, what is this, a Minsk-3? So that it would end in another war in couple of years?
Perpetual peace is inexistent. Anything will lead to a war later. Specially with Russia
The war began precisely because Ukraine did not comply with this Minsk.
@@fline2751 Russia did not comply too. Minsk agreements were put in place to conquer Ukraine in a non-military way. That is why Russia did not want to discuss anything else, even though they knew Minsk agreements were a dead project, signed under the threat of conquest in 2015.
Also, a question to you - how would you feel if your neighbor came to your country, taken its part, started a war in other part, and demanded you to change your constitution under the threat of killing you? I guess you would just comply, if China took Russian far west and demanded autonomy for Siberia, right?
@@BORN753Just in case, we have something that Ukraine does not have. Hint: this is NW.
@@fline2751 So the answer to Russian invasion and Minsk agreements by Ukraine should have been restoring its NW. You just proved it yourself.
Also, I didn't ask how Russia could deter the threat, I was asking how you would feel. Imagine Russia doesn't have NW.
The "mighty Russian bravery and soul" seems to only be able to resort to nuclear threats. And who you are without it then? Is your state only keeps existing because of the NW and internal endless repressions? Well, what an achievment of a state-building. No one except for Russia couldn't do it, right? To build a prison guarded by NW out of your country. Where people watch themselves.
Lmao as if Italy is capable of doing anything anyway
That's no lie
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That's the dumbest peace treaty 🤣🤣🤣
It has worked between Austria and italy
Can trust someone who thinks "what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable."
Im afraid i feel it wont be until a major Russian or Ukraine victory (i mean major strategic defeat for that side too sit at the table.). For now its attritional warfare till one side breaks. Remember how long Normandy went on or like Rhzev where forces grind each other down to a statlemate. Either way more blood will be spilled sadly.
Well ukraine is probably going to suffer a major defeat in the next week or two in luhansk.
They've just lost Mariupol
@@thatsreality5184 this isnt afghan nor anything close to it comparing it is stupid
@@thatsreality5184 but russia has lost in first week in Ukraine more than in Afghanistan in decade.
@@thatsreality5184 and they already lost twice the amount of manpower dead in just 2 months
Lol, what a joke. Stop this crap. Russia will end this war when Russia decides to end this war..no sooner, no later. Ukraine has already lost.
Sure it has 🤡🤡🤡
@@Oblivisci........ haha. Call me a clown for a stating the truth? Ukraine lost suck it up.
@@stevemackenzie8250 So why does Russia still not have control of the capitol, why is the governing body of Ukraine still around, and why are Russian soldiers still dying en masse? 🤡🤡🤡
@@stevemackenzie8250 Not really.
@@mapleflag6518 how so? They cannot get anyvland back. Theycare dying daily and running out of men.
Medvedev laughed off this proposal. Russians had multiple cease fire proposals on the table. Zelensky said we will die to the last man defending Ukraine.
If that's actually his thought process then I'm all for leaving Ukraine to the war without our aid
@@isdrakon9802 zelensky will say and do whatever his puppet masters out west tell him to do. But his puppet masters rather sacrifice every Ukrainian in order to keep a long dragged out war with Russia possible. Reality is this war has been going on since 2014
@@isdrakon9802 it’s a thought process of 88%+ of Ukrainians to not give any land to occupants
@@denisarte419 then they can die as well. If you have the option for peace then there is no reason not to.
Based Zelensky
Lol, it's not happening.
Russia is winning this war and Europe is suffering.
Russia has survived the sanctions and will continue taking territory until Ukraine is a rump state. Any opportunity for cease fire prior to the above has faded I think.
If you look at how the war has developed for Russia, you'll realize it's just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Ukraine has more than a fair chance to survive, and even to recover lost land
@@fasuto8656 I don't think so.
In addition to Maripul falling and the Ukraine kharkiv counter offensive having failed, Ukraine will shortly have to content with oil shortages.
Western media have painted things in a positive light for Ukraine but the reality is that it is grim.
"Russia is winning the war"
Yep, only a few active fronts and 3km a day is winning. Lol.
Ukraine may not fully be able to win, but Russia is not winning by any stretch of imagination
This all sounds so unachievable. I think that is by design. More money for weapons contractors in a long drawn out war. That's how you know nuclear weapons will never be used in war.
Money. So which stocks should we invest in?
Its actuslly quite dangerous what the west especially the US is doing they are already a war party by delivering intel and so many weapons
If russia gets pushed into a corner i can see the nuke being dropped
@@silverhawkscape2677 nothing this year you should short almost all tech stocks
@@ari_a2764 Eh. Shorting is risky if you aren't made of Money
@@silverhawkscape2677 nah just short with a good spread and TF and SL and we're down a plan and stick to it. Krypro King Krown and his Wu Han Wang Dang style will make it safe and effectove. Shirt anything looking weak long anything smart like btc eth
Preston, we want a win or loss. Not here for a girly negotiation that will lead to a tie.
Why are you putting lives literal human lives under a victory in a useless war you kinds of people are the reason why this war is happening in the first place this isn't a middle school race this is a real war costing lives and people costing soldiers and civilians it isn't a middle school race
He didn't make the treaty bro
Yeah we want a epic battle involving tanks, infantry and jet's,plus game developers need something cool to put into the new call of duty.
@@SikhoGuwa yeah it's all for the call of duty. Can't wait for new "remember no russian" in Bucha. And moscals gonna cry "RUSOPHOBIAAA!!!!1!1!1!" Again.
I love how everyone is quick to make switching sides jokes
As soon as he said “would tie into NATO and the European Union” I nearly died laughing
Can you put out a long video in this topic?
@@dmitrys.4741 It's not close to what they wanted before. Now it's just the Donbas and Krim. They asked for full veto for NATO members, that Ukraine didn't go to NATO, that all NATO forces should be withdrawn from Eastern NATO countries. A large part of Ukraine, and a lot more.
An eye towards what?
Towards stopping people from dying
@@tripointsofficial1974 humans have been alive how long? People have yet to stop dying.
@@Sizzllllnn and your point is
Yeah for some reason it cuts off at
"With an eye to... "
GAS
I love Italy and Italians… but this has zero effect.
Agreements aren’t what Ukraine or Russia are about let’s be real.
Of course it isn't, the Italian government knows it very Well, the objective of our government is simply to allow us, France and Germany to develop a Third position in respect to the US approach, is not a Peace attempt in itself.
It will end with an agreement sooner or later as with all wars before it
@@funbarsolaris2822 Like the Korean War?
Mauriopol has fallen, your days are numbered. Surrender and you'll be treated fairly, as brothers. We're all slavs, we should unite against the tyranny and incessant bullying of the west, not kneel for them. Come home, rejoin the motherland where you belong.
Nah, I think Ukraine prefers popping off the turrets of ur shitty tanks, Russia ain't gonna win
anime pfp
Hohol what ruskies call ukrainens
Yeah, you know I kinda think all non-russian Slavs and many Russian Slavs as well feel a little bit more like they are bullied by Russia, not the west...
Imagine giving your "brothers" an ultimatum of subjugation or death. Lol the west is bullying? How many Ukrainians have been killed by the west? You're fucking delusional the blood spilled will have repercussions for generations these people will not forget this.
Italy on vacation when the first cease fire resulted in civilian convoys being targeted?
I wouldn't give nothing to Russia except body's.
Well, it's up to Ukraine to decide: continue this war and deaths on both sides,or just take sanctions off Russia.If west will take sanctions off Russia it will be better for everyone.
Agreement is the key word.
This sounds like a non-starter on each and every single point.
This assumes put putin isn't just a 8 year old
It also assumes Zelensky isn’t an 8 year old. Both are acting like kids. Putin refuses any cease fire while zelensky just wants all his men to die fighting before they go to the table.
@@para_magnus2200 I mean, that is true but also I mean, they are trying to kill civilians and such so I mean
Italy playing both sides of the pie again I see lol
Russia doesn't have to negotiate with any Nation.
The strong do what they want and the weak ensure what they must
Russia ain’t the strong anymore champ
@@oam6626 I’m not cheering Russia on this or anything but dude, this thing is only 100 days in. Russia has more soldiers and material that they can throw it this. Maybe not effectively, and maybe their population will revolt…but the fat lady hasn’t sung on this one yet.
Yes that'd be great..until they start fighting over Donbas and Crimea.
The Russians will attack again. Like they did before.
This will go on for years. While the world is watching celebrity court cases.
There's no discussion needed for Donbass and Crimea. Its either Russia leaves Ukraine, or Ukraine leaves Ukraine.
Gotta love these compromised "world leaders" who act as if a woman being raped shouldn't fight back.
The only solution is to get rid of Putin.
Russia has no reason to suspend its Special Military Operation.
Italy can give Putin Sicily if they so easy to give him someone’s land
Our politicians are a bunch of retards some of them still think Putin is some kind of reasonable man that is willing to talk or wants peace without subjugating entirely Ukraine and even public opinion and media are handling this crisis like clowns so I’m not surprised this 2.0 Munich agreement came out
Putin wouldn't want sicily
Some italians don't even want it
@@flameraker6824 as an Italian, I can testify your statement is true indeed :)
@@flameraker6824 why not? Good place for Russian naval base
the italian plan does not foresee the cession of Crimea and donbass to russia.the one who made the video is misinformed, better read the real proposal submitted to Russians and Ukrainians.
Like Italy is known for their tactical genius
They are. Apart from the immense list of Italian Genius and inventions. Actually Italy was the first one to theorize the tactical air conflict (and the first to made a Bombardier). The first one to invent the Special Forces (Arditi in WWI and XMAS in WWII).
The first to use the parachute as military tactical application.
The first to apply seals tactica and techniques.
Putin will never agree to this shit lol
Putin Will never surrender. Let's just microwave his dinner 😁
Why would russia surrender when they are winning in donbaas?
Ukraine is only alive economically because of western aid,
How long do u think they will last in case west stop giving aid to Ukraine??
They need 7 billion a month,
I am sure Americans will not approve of giving billions every month to Ukraine
What a stupid comment.
I guess you’re ready to eat too, then?
With a bit of a spicy ingredient ;)
I don't think Putin's looking for peace.
Neither is the puppeteer.
He’s looking for piece
We don’t need any agreements with Russia!
Let Italy boast of her gay gilded waters
Her vines and her bowers and her soft sunny skies
Her sons drinking love from the eyes of her daughters
Where freedom expires amid softness and sighs
You must have drunk al lot of it
Ukraine said that the UN is weak... I mean, yes and no but...
The UN is as corrupt as every other arm of politics just less openly because no one really cares about it and most of their decision don't even have too much weight
@@ghosttheprogram6973 pretty much... but I think if it wasn't so corrupt, it could be a bigger power house that Russia thinks it is... just like the NRA could be a power house for gun rights, but the ceos are corrupt as well...
@@ExplosiveQuarry UN should be dissolved honestly
It's getting more and more like a "one government" kinda organisation imo
@@ghosttheprogram6973 I think its a good idea that people are fighting for a common cause but yes, it may become a one world order and everything would absolutely dissolve into disaster... since mankind is horrible and unable to live in peace ever...
@@ExplosiveQuarry well I'll just try to make my small corner of the world better as much as I can
No way, no ceasefire until they're completely gone from our land.
Ukraine may need a scorched earth policy here. Make fighting retreats and skirmishes and basically burn anything that can't be taken with. Leave nothing to capture
Russia doesn’t need anything from Ukraine
@@MrFrinZy which is why they need to fuck off
@@MrFrinZy I mean
Yes it does
Russia is an incredibly poor country
With limited industry
And bad science
It needs to regions the Soviet Union that’s why it’s trying too
But currently it has 75 % of the resources and I dustrybcanada has
And over twice the people
Like Russia is a borderline third world country lmao it needs money
They’re what poor people look like
@@ShmuckCanuck
And Ukraine is the honey pot to save them? They can’t be a third world country, by definition.
"we want to keep business going with Russia because cheap oil and gas is just too damn tempting" 🥴
.. and much much more Billions of dollars to grab !
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I want a pet unicorn and to win the lottery.
I like that italy is doing the lead. Europe needs to fix it's self
I'm Italian, France was leading but they have been stopped by the elections, i see them coming back to lead soon. Draghi, our prime minister, is the puppet of the big banks, i don't have faith in him. But who knows, let's see
USA and UK lost in Afghanistan..
Ukraine and Russia are part of Europe
@@tripointsofficial1974 did I say they were not? Im referencing thst I want America out of ut
@@pulaski1 ok
Russia: *Invades Ukraine*
Ukraine: *Fights back*
Russia: how about you sign this here piece of paper
That what happens in a war,
Ukriane economy was bad before the war, now it is only above water because of western aid.
If they don't sue for peace, when western aid runs out their country would be in ruins
But Russia's not the asking, it's Italy that's asking
You guys took this joke way to seriously
Russia initially asked for cease fires. Ukraine didn't even show up to seriously discuss them. Now US and EU are asking for peace proposals 3 months later. Go figure
@@pstrolling9657 western 'aid' is a loan with a huge interest, Ukraine just got fucked hard by the west and Russia, Zelensky is an biggest idiot world has seen... Ukraine will be left with huge billions of dollars debt, destroyed country, captured cities by Russia, and millions of lose in population...
A cease fire overseen by UN.
Russia:These dudes ain’t listenin🤦🏼♂️
Italy doesn’t do Russian history seemingly.
I don't think it's a good idea to give Dombas to Russia. It just makes Russia know that they are allowed to take land this way. Next up is the eastern parts of Finland.
You know most of the people there are Russian right The Russians there want to be part of Russia right you know this right this is the reason why the war started in the first place because Ukraine refused to give the lands with Russian people to Russia right consider this before you go speaking things out of your butt
@@tripointsofficial1974 that was not the point. The point was that Russia can start a war and claim land which they don't own and get away with it.
No they wouldn't. Finland has no historic ties to Russia and will likely be part of NATO soon. Russian resources will be exhausted from the Ukraine war, they will not have anything left in them to fight. No need to be alarmist and hypochondriac, it's almost like some people want ww3 and are bigger war mongers than putin himself! It's time this horror show came to an end, we need that money to solve much bigger problems that effect way, way more lives than a few 10s of thousands living on the Russian Ukrainian border
@@JohnTavastian u should learn what happened to finland in 1939.
Finland fought hard and Soviets suffered looses but then Soviets regrouped captured all what they wanted to capture and finland sued for peace,
If they hadn't Soviets would have continued, finland s economy was in good condition throughout the war, whereas ukriane is only alive bcz of western aid.
Same is happening in donbass, after a mess in Kiev direction, russia is doing good in donbaas.
The question for ukraine is after donbass whether ukraine would Sue for peace or continue to fight and get more of their cities devastated
Donbas doesn't want anything to do with Ukraine, why are you so deadset in forcing them to?
First is seize fire? AND some steps after that must be taken... How do you even accomplish the first one? It's like instructions on how make a strawberry pie...
1 you put a pie to be baked in the oven.
2 remove it from the oven once it's done.
3 eat the pie.
Sure, that plan is easy to pull off.
1. Draw some circles
2. Draw the rest of the owl
The last 8 years in Ukraine is a great example of first step
I agree with Polish and Italian advice of sending an UN peacekeeping force.
So a new shipment of statues?
I really hate gas and electricity rising
Sounds like a great plan to me but hopefully the agreement they come to over Crimea is that Russia should graciously get the hell out!..
Bro at been in Russia for 8 year and the people there are fine
Most people in crimea are Russians lol
Russia will never leave crimea
Why would they agree to that!
@@sup3519 maybe because they can't complain or otherwise they get putin'd
Ye cause everything goes to plan In Italy lol
Exactly, i'm italian, i can confirm
@@Luca-cs8fy confermi di essere un coyote che manco si è informato su cosa consiste la proposta di pace 🙄
And who pays for all the damaged Russia caused?
In the end its probably italy and other european countries
Dpr will rebuild in thier territory
And Lpr will rebuild in theirs both with the help of russia
Wonderful!
It’s only a problem if one leader declares that they will accept nothing but all their land, and the other not saying anything but being a bit sketchy.
Nah, Ukraine shouldn't concede to anything. Russia needs to be taught a lesson
Ukrainian military would be crushed if they keep on fighting Russia for US.
People should see some education videos from US Professor John Mearsheimer, he knew what US planned since 2013.
US been training Ukrainian military and azov since 2014, no secret anymore.
It's professor John Mearsheimer Job to know what US been doing in Ukraine.
US would never accept any peace agreement between $ Billionaire Zelinsky and Russia, $ Billionaire Zelinsky does what US command. Zelinsky don't care if Ukraine get crushed, soon he escape to his little $33 million house in US. He let the west destroying Ukraine, he is a tragic comedian.
His best friend obligarch Kolomoisky funded his president campaign on Ukraine most popular TV channel, obligarch Kolomoisky also created and funded azov nazzis.
Unbelievable history western controlled media hides. Also genocide in Ukraine since 2014 by Ukrainian military in Russian speak regions. Called the silent war, because no western mainstream Journalist's have been in Ukraine since 2014. Only Russian speak citizens in Ukraine they where killing.
Truth coming out, because some independent journalist's have been in Ukraine since 2014. Witnesses the silent war.
@@andrehunter1295 if you're gonna say some random shit that you read off Facebook at least make it smaller and not a giant wall of text. Or add a tldr
hell yeah, we say here in Ukraine “Russia ends there where it gets kicked in the ass”
So what you're saying is that Ukrainian lives are worth less than some victory in a useless war
@@tripointsofficial1974 Please point out where I said those words 😂😂
Hope it goes through
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Italy proposing a peace plan when shit hits the fan? That's a new one.
Yeah, much easier said than done, Italy. Neither side has any intention of listening to anyone about stopping the war. It's like trying to stop a hundred year blood feud: too far in to back out.
Maybe if Italy politely asked Putin to get the fuck out of Ukraine? Otherwise, proposing "diplomatic solutions," and expecting Ukraine to play along when THEY are the ones fighting for their survival against a state that thinks they don't have a right to their own sovereignty, is like the members of your local church accusing you of goading a rapist into raping you, and that you're only making it worse for yourself by fighting back.
Ukraine should agree to nothing that involves Russia keeping Ukrainian land and without Russia paying to rebuild ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have the means to fight this war for long, their economy is gone, western aid is keeping it afloat, for now.
They are loosing hard in donbass.
Ukriane couldn't take back lpr and DPR in last 8 yrs from Militias armed with WW1 rifles and ak-47s.
The question of them taking back land from russia is not even a question.
And if u think russia is going to pay anything to Ukraine than you are delusional.
Well they will lose more land then... it's not like it's a choice lol🤣🤣🤣
@@Nooraksi And the will be loosing the most fertile and oil-gas rich land.
@@Nooraksi Loosing land? They're pretty much at a stalemate right now. But unlike Ukraine which keeps getting weapons and aid from the west, Russia is alone, with a crippled economy, supply shortages, and very low troop morale.
@@AlenB29 "My media?" I don't just watch CNN and MSNBC. Actually, I barely watch the former, and try to avoid the latter entirely (MSN hosts are too opinionated, IMO). I consider the info I get from Ukrainians themselves to be far more reliable.
Why would Ukraine after slowly inching it's way of running Russia out of their country make a deal on the future of a part of their country Crimea?
Crimea is a part of Russia …
Mike Morris, do you realize as you read this comment most of the eastern part of Ukraine is under the Russian military?
@@Eletruun tell a Ukrainian that
@@mikemorris5944 most of the ethnic population in Crimea is largely Russian making up 65% of Crimea.
Ukrainians make up 15% of Crimea.
Tartars make up 12% of Crimea.
@@adamisacomedian6344 If what you say is true is that how we let governments take control due to it's ethnic majority to violently and criminally murder, steal, rape and pillage all the remaining minorities. What an evil barbaric and upsetting approach. If let unchallenged this will lead to Armageddon.
Thank God so far the majority of the world realizes this and is joining forces to not only condemn this atrocity but is prepared and planning to make sure Russia not only doesn't succeed but will not have the resources to continue this behavior.
This behavior is more Bolshevik than Russian. When the Russian people finally wake up to realize that devils are running the Kremlin we only then will see real change in Russia. If not the whole world is going to burn in hell. And I don't mean that prolifically.
Actually invasion has started becous Ukraina didn't fallow agreement to not join NATO whale gain independence in 1990's .
Well that's a non-starter....
Yeah, lets give russia time to regroup, that will help
Won’t make it till sunrise.
Russia gave Ukraine the crimea once.
Wont make that mistake twice period.
In fact, Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine multiple times. Nikita Khrushchev transfered the control of the Peninsula to the Ukrainian SSR in the Soviet Union, and they also accepted Ukrainian independence and let them keep Crimea.
So yes, they made the same mistake twice
@storozhevoy he was from Kursk, Russia
@storozhevoy his family was Russian. Are you saying Russian people in Ukraine are Ukrainians? Then the people who consider themselves "Russian" in Crimea are Ukrainians too
Would Italy agree if they lost Rome to another country? Its very hard for Ukraine to just say, you can keep that piece of our land... its like saying that my neighbour can take my kitchen....
On the other hand.... if Russia gets crimea and Donbass but Ukraine can join Nato and EU...... would save a lot of lives...
Agreed, however, i think we all know Russia aint gonna sign any deal allowing for Ukraine to join NATO 😂😂
The whole war is happening because Russia likes being the crazy-ex, and doesn't want Ukraine anywhere near NATO, so even if Ukrainians got over losing territory, Russia won't budge on Ukraine's "demilitarization".
@@roastingminer6919 True 😄
@@regular3081 always hated exgirlfriends 😄😄
First Russia isnt taking the capital.
Second how would you react if the people in that part of the country are resisting the authorities and want to be independent.
Third how would you react if yet anoher puppet government is established and massive alliance has formed with one single goal in mind, your subdigation and putting you in chains
Italy, I think your marinara sauce has fermented. You're not thinking straight.
Russia offered agreement before war, didn't worked nicely
Last time italy saw war, they were using fountain pens to declare it... what the hell do they know.
Not true . They ran western Afghanistan. The Herat area. No heavy fighting but still no walk in the park either.
But thanks to an agreement of this kind Italy and Austria managed to avoid war with Austria over Sudtirol for the last 100 years.
@@johnfisher5363 I spent 4 moths there, they refused to go outside the wire, no patrols and no combat... We went to war, they went on vacation, like the Germans did. At least Germany left the wire, but German requirements for patrol were that they required a few medical team travel in a second convoy with a full division of QRF provided by ISAF, not the US. There wasn't a division so they stayed in the FOB. They drank beer, ate imported food and their command even brought comfort services.
I spent 4 months there as a liason, 8 months as a liason to Polish forces in RC-east...The Polish were the hardest fighting of the allies by the largest margin, the French 2nd, the Italians, and Germans were like the Japanese, there in spirit to show the flag.
@@spaghettistef that's like saying at least new Zealand didn't go to war with Australia so they should lead peace talks between India and Pakistan...
India or Pakistan want to lead, yeah, ill listen, Italy not so much, they were never going to war with Austria, they would get destroyed because their economy is so screwed up their military would have to borrow ammo. Austria on the other hand has a thriving economy and a well maintained military and although it's small, they are well trained. They can afford it.
@@PhuVet you are correct. Was in Mazar too and with white eagle in the east. TF Lafayette and ISAF in Kabul. Never drank the German beer but watch one of thier shows with the Swedes
Hell nah, if we don't end this with Putin in the Gulag, we might as well just say the war never happened.
Exorbitant copium levelslol, tfw some child on the internet talks about killing Putin, one of the most targeted people ever, surviving over 50 confirmed murder attempts lololol
Well who's going to volunteer to take him there 😜
Yeah, let's just let the killing continue and ruin even more lives of Ukrainians just to satisfy the unachievable fantasies of some westerners on the internet. (not sure if the guy above is serious, but there's way too many people who actually think like this).
Cringe and stupid
@@KoiSpain0 he said in the gulag learn how to read and comprehend you little kid. He’s also the most protected man on the planet so yeah not that big of a deal lmao go play fortnight
This war has raged for 8 years already, I don't think any of this will be enough.
Noo !!! The territorial integrity of Ukraine can't be compromised...
So what happened to that peace deal everyone made in 1991 at both the end of the cold war and the collapse of the-
Oh yea it's Soviet history we're talking about here. Anyways good luck Italy! Russia has a fantastic track record of staying true to peace deals... Right? RIIIGHT?
And Ukraine has a fantastic track record of not bombing civilians in Donbass
@@filmandfirearms I said Soviet history, didn't I?
Italy actually being relevant in geopoltics wow
@@joelee4495
get better informed and you will see that Italy has never changed sides .... unlike your mother, I think you are confused with your mother
Italy has been geopolitically relevant for the last 2 milennia in case you haven't noticed. Being relevant doesn't imply necessarily to violate the Sovereignity of your neighbours or to be quoted on Anglo Saxon toilet Newspapers, Which are notoriously anti Italian.
Why would Russia make an agreement with the losers of the war? That's stupid and not reality of how things work in war! The Ukrainians will give in to Russian demands or be destroyed! Russia doesn't have to make agreements! Boxers dont get to call timeout just because they are getting beaten and take many punches either you give up or get knocked out!
Russia can and will dictate terms and fuck the warmongers in the west trying to starve millions of Russians...
I think an total handover of all of Odessa,Donbass and Luhansk plus agreements never to join the E.u or N.A.T.O and the abdication of zelensky the war pig will be enough for Putin
Noone can stop russia at this point. They are tacking as much land as need it. Usa and nato friends can only watch
Fine agreement. But Russia should pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine. Could run 300+ billion.
Good luck with that 💀💀💀
Whatever happens that ought to be a given.
They are actually paying. They are helping rebuild mariupol right now
@@daltonurofsky3145 ehem.. Grozny
Finally here's an actual reasonable comment a lot of these are just Ukrainian warmongers who say that Russia should get out of Crimea or the donbass but I do actually kind of agree with this paying for a nation that you destroyed is reasonable
*> What Russia needs is more land!*
- They have demonstrated their incapablity of governing what they already have for the last 500 years. . So more is better. Why?
- Simple... So they can build more tanks.
- You wouldn't understand! It's called "Russian logic" which requires 3 parts land, 2 parts vodka & 1 part stupidity.
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They just could have invaded Afghanistan, nobody would have cared
@@kgius7434 They did, 30 years ago! And that wasn't such a hot idea! The Russians are noted for hot, but always half baked ideas.
I love how people that can’t distinguish a tank from an assault vehicle are all of a sudden military experts and have the audacity to talk about things such as war when they hardly know where Donbass or Crimea are.
@@alessandromicali7907 bro Ukrainian bots keep saying 'over an thousands russian tank destroyed" when they show BTRs and APCs and their OWN destroyed tanks...like the ghost of Kyiv the Ukrainians are losing hard and making up shit
This isn't an agreement.
It's appeasement.
Pfft as if russia can be trusted to honor any agreement. They already broke the Budapest memorandum
Is there any way in which this conflict ends and Putin still maintains power?There has to be some drastic change in leadership in order for Russia to survive on the global stage.
Russia has been surviving just fine
And will probably continue to do so honestly
@@ghosttheprogram6973 lol
@@ghosttheprogram6973 no doubt Russia will continue as a country, but how will its post war leadership change?
@@jamesleighdavis138 I doubt it will change much tbh
Except Putin completely loses in Ukraine and causes utter destruction after that
But otherwise the status quo will probably hold
@@ghosttheprogram6973 as much as I hope things change for the better, I think you’re right… it will be business as usual no matter the outcome.
Italy needs to stand down and so does everyone else.
There must be total withdraw by russia from all of Ukraine! Also, russia must pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine, and reparations to Ukraine!
That why war started at the first NATO
Useless plan. The situation will be decided on the battlefield.
Italy. There's an honest and strong government. FFS.
If someone invaded my home and said I’m taking your bedroom and kitchen, I’d not make a deal ! I’d rather burn my house down and rebuild .
A spaghetti factory without meatballs, a la italian.