Thanks for a great & unbiased review..well done! You seem to be a natural at this, good speaking voice comes thru quite well on video as well. You are very good at presenting info buyers are looking for on a brand new products such as Mantis… please continue adding more videos like these to your channel. Keep it up :)
This review is the best I've seen for this scooter. Thank you so much for this. Seeing this really reveals some of the downsides in either build quality of some design faults that weren't mentioned in other reviews. I hope the people who make this scooter see this review you made so their version 2 will fix these issues :).
Thanks Damon :) Actually Kabbo is currently at major Release V3 of this Scooter and they indeed fixed some of the mentioned points. I am planning to do an Update Video once i got hold of a new V3 Mantis
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 oh right, I had no idea that there was a version 3 revision! Definitely looking forward to your review of it. Any estimation on when I should expect your review? I've only seen it just marketed as mantis Pro, I've never seen a "v2" or "v3" I hope they make it clear to label this for retailers/distributors so people know they're obtaining the updated model for those who care
Excellent analisys, complete, detailed and unbiased. I keep returning to part 1 and part 2 to review details and information. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Hej Ralph, good job ! You mentioned that sealing from the rain could be better; is there a problem with the water/rainproof in this scooter ? For me it is one of crucial things.
Hi Pawel, yes - there is a problem. With the mantis you have to seal the scooter yourself with some sort of sealing. if you do not the scooter will get damaged in the rain.
This was very helpful and detailed. I am trying to decide between this model and Zero 10x. Also wondering what the downside, if any, would be to order them directly from AliExpress vs a local retailer.
The downside is that you have less help and warranty and wait longer for replacement parts if you find a defect and ordered from Aliexpress (and you really may face Problems on any scooter).
Hello, very nice video ! Can I use excerpts from the video (without sound) to illustrate what I'm saying in my video? This is for a french presentation video. Thank you for your reply. Yours sincerely 😉
I have 3 or 4 more Videos ready to post but my wife manages the youtube Channel and posts (and cuts/subtitles) the videos for me and i have yet to get her to post the new ones =D
I try to avoid rain if possible. Still have a lot to do with and in the mantis so i did not seal it yet. I use cling foil if i get into rain accidentally and wrap the deck. Had 2 friends that fried their Mantis in rain so not going to risk it.
I weigh 200lbs. Would the scooter still work very well for me? Would I lose a ton of speed? You mentioned the suspension might bottom out on a 220lb person in the comments. The scooters info says it can handle over 300lbs. Just curious. Thanks! I want the mantis but may get the horizon instead bc of money. Do you know if the horizon would work for me? I'm 200lbs
You dont loose much speed from weight if at all, it just accelerates slower depending on your weight. The mantis can bottom out with almost any weight because it is really soft but you dont have to force it, not a big problem at your weight. Still it would feel better with a little stiffer suspension. If you mean the Fluid Freeride Horizon i cant tell you if it is a better choice but the (dual Motor) Mantis is definitely a whole lot more fun to ride.
One thing I learned from Kaabo is that they learn from feedback and improve. That also means however that you don't always want to be the first who gets the scooter ;-)
I am sorry - i had the single on the shelf a long time and then sold it. was a bit dissappointed to be honest. Not because it is a bad scooter in general but i did not like its behaviour (in short: 500W Version has good torque, low top speed, no Ebrake, bad brakes and better ones dont fit, acceptable range, flaws like the bigger brother, the one i sold had a dead controller after 300km).
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 thx for your impression. I asked because I have a single motor on the way. Sadly it's taking 3 month to arrive. It's a fully hydraulic brake model, so I'm expecting good brakes. Not caring about top speed. Thx again!
So this scooter is not waterproof? I want to sell my X365 PRO and buy this, but looks really only for sunny days :D. Mudguards are short and water can go into controler. My M365 survived incredible rains without any water inside. Also mudguards are awesome at M365. I need to arrive at work clean :).
Perfect video! Clear and well explained! I have a question you may know the answer to due to your experience! Today the brake lamps (blinking inner lamps) on my mantis just stoped. I have opened up the battery compartment, all cables are attached. Everything else working fine and seems ok. Cable pack at top seems intact all contacts are attached! Both left and right brake tested, brake lights not reacting. Controller compartment is checked but nothing seems detached. The static red back lights works. Only blinking brake does not work! Any suggestions? Can both inner lamps have gone broken at the same time?
The Answer is simple. In one of the sides behind the side light is a green shrink wrap part with electronics in it. This is the electronics that does the blinking of brake lights and there is a 100 Ohm smd resistor on it that dies ;-) replacing it with a bigger resistor (1/2W or more) helps. I will make a video about it
When you said , it's not good when it rains?? do you mean, riding in the rain will shorts the electronics? I never heard of this problem with the Zero 10X? Thanks for your reviews.
Great review, thanks for the patience to go in detail through all the issues. Regarding the stem + handlebar issue - isn't it possible to replace both with aftermarket ones, thus solving both problems (unreachable recessed screws and non-standard handlebar diameter) ? If the steerer (that's the vertical rod to which the stem is attached) has a standard diameter (usually 1 1/8 inch), this should be achievable.
I have tried that and been asked very often. So far i did not find aftermarket parts to replace this. There are alternative Handlebars and thats it. Everything on the mantis is somehow different sized then on a bike or a Dualtron... I guess with time there will be aftermarket parts.
hey bro, i like your videos a lot,, and ive got a question maybe you can help me ,, can i buy tubeless tires and install them on the mantis PRO? thanks for your help
Hi Miguel, somehow you could sure manage it but it is not worth the effort because the rim of the Mantis is not built for tubeless. The rim is made to be separated in the middle for easier tire change but this means it is not airtight and getting it to be so is not easy. So it is possible but much more effort then you would wish
It is possible but i would not see fit. The road tires are good if you go offroad once in a while and if you really want to drive offroad very much get a different Scooter like the Wolf Warrior or a Dualtron Ultra or any other big ass 11" Scooter. The Mantis can do this a little but is still more suited for the street.
I think 80kg is just fine but 100kg would be a little much. It still works and is very comfortable, you may just eventually bottom out the suspension. The whole suspension travel is ~5cm.
There is no wire management =D You would see a bunch of wires cramped to the smallest space possible and a big battery. If i open the scooter again i will make a video but i think you can already find that elsewhere.
Both are great. I like the fenders and the deck of the Zero more and it should be easier to replace the handlebar with the stock clamp. Mantis is stronger and in my opinion looks better.
I did some mods, repaired some things and swapped parts. But the newest Mantis Units have some much needed improvements so i would recommend a new mantis even more ;-)
If you did not seal the scooter somehow before that don't do it. I have seen a fried controller from water inside (not mine) so be cautious. Kaabo will propably seal future Mantis in the factory to be waterproof but i have not heard that this is standard for now
Thank you for the detail:) please clarify if you solder 2 x 67.2v 2a chargers to 1 XLR plug it will be safe? I dont understand electrical maths very well but I'm concerned the parallel link will become 134.4v 4a. That will cook the cells fast?! Great video.
I did this already (3 to 1 Charger adapter) but am afraid to post because if someone without knowledge does it he may fry the scooter (ok, maybe not because it is all protected) but this is dangerous nonetheless. By the way if you would connect it wrong like you mentioned you would get a 114,4V Charger (67,2Vx2) that still charges with 2A and will not instantly fry the battery or charge any faster but would not stop charging and therefore overload the battery (the bms should cut out and save the battery but better not try)
Hi, sorry but i dont know of any. Reason is that the mantis is not designed for use with a seat (which would first of all need top facing screws that are not obstructed. If you remove the silicone cover you can still use many seats for other scooters if you drill the holes needed on the seat base to fit with the screws that the deck cover uses
While I don't exactly know what you refer to it is not dangerous to turn on the scooter while on the charger. You may eventually damage the cable if you start driving though :)
I will make a video of the insides soon but you would have been dissappointed. The inside is 95% battery and a small space where they forced all the cables in.
Dear Ralph, many thanks for your detailed review! What do you think Can I replace the suspension springs with Air Shocks like Kindshock EXA A5 RE? www.aliexpress.com/item/32868251453.html Or another springs? - www.aliexpress.com/item/4000060852657.html Or can you suggest some another? My weight is around 105Kg. Thanks, Andrei
Not sure what you mean but that is my only channel so far. I will however make newer videos with better audio quality and help from my wife behind the camera so you can hear my disruptive voice better =D
Best scooter review I’ve ever seen online. Objective, honest and thorough. Thank you.
Thanks for a great & unbiased review..well done! You seem to be a natural at this, good speaking voice comes thru quite well on video as well. You are very good at presenting info buyers are looking for on a brand new products such as Mantis… please continue adding more videos like these to your channel. Keep it up :)
Thank you very much - this really encourages me to review more scooters ;-)
Excellent review. The best I've seen so far. Greetings
Do they make a seat kit for this kaboo
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort for this review. As a beginner and shopping for my next scooter, your video has helped very much!
This review is the best I've seen for this scooter. Thank you so much for this. Seeing this really reveals some of the downsides in either build quality of some design faults that weren't mentioned in other reviews. I hope the people who make this scooter see this review you made so their version 2 will fix these issues :).
Thanks Damon :) Actually Kabbo is currently at major Release V3 of this Scooter and they indeed fixed some of the mentioned points. I am planning to do an Update Video once i got hold of a new V3 Mantis
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 oh right, I had no idea that there was a version 3 revision! Definitely looking forward to your review of it. Any estimation on when I should expect your review? I've only seen it just marketed as mantis Pro, I've never seen a "v2" or "v3" I hope they make it clear to label this for retailers/distributors so people know they're obtaining the updated model for those who care
Very thorough review and you said some intresting things in general about scooters. Thanks for sharing your views and experience.
Excellent analisys, complete, detailed and unbiased. I keep returning to part 1 and part 2 to review details and information. Keep up the good work and thank you.
waiting for this. Thumps Up to the Vlogger (Y)
Hej Ralph, good job ! You mentioned that sealing from the rain could be better; is there a problem with the water/rainproof in this scooter ? For me it is one of crucial things.
Hi Pawel, yes - there is a problem. With the mantis you have to seal the scooter yourself with some sort of sealing. if you do not the scooter will get damaged in the rain.
This was very helpful and detailed. I am trying to decide between this model and Zero 10x. Also wondering what the downside, if any, would be to order them directly from AliExpress vs a local retailer.
So what you have now? 😄
The downside is that you have less help and warranty and wait longer for replacement parts if you find a defect and ordered from Aliexpress (and you really may face Problems on any scooter).
Like part 1 great video! Would have wished to see the inside as the technical description was very interesting.
You don't see very much on the inside :) It is one loooong Battery and a small space with all Cables pushed into the smallest possible space
ralf halbknapp Oh I see, thanks ;)
Hello, very nice video ! Can I use excerpts from the video (without sound) to illustrate what I'm saying in my video?
This is for a french presentation video. Thank you for your reply. Yours sincerely 😉
Sorry i saw this so late. Yes - you can use parts of my video
😎 He'll be back! Great videos!
I have 3 or 4 more Videos ready to post but my wife manages the youtube Channel and posts (and cuts/subtitles) the videos for me and i have yet to get her to post the new ones =D
Hi , great vid ... have you ridden this in the rain and if so what waterproofing did u do?
I try to avoid rain if possible. Still have a lot to do with and in the mantis so i did not seal it yet. I use cling foil if i get into rain accidentally and wrap the deck. Had 2 friends that fried their Mantis in rain so not going to risk it.
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 Good to know :) take a look at this stuff it may save a lot of time with the wires etc th-cam.com/video/T2iV_lAQcG0/w-d-xo.html
I weigh 200lbs. Would the scooter still work very well for me? Would I lose a ton of speed? You mentioned the suspension might bottom out on a 220lb person in the comments. The scooters info says it can handle over 300lbs. Just curious. Thanks!
I want the mantis but may get the horizon instead bc of money. Do you know if the horizon would work for me? I'm 200lbs
You dont loose much speed from weight if at all, it just accelerates slower depending on your weight. The mantis can bottom out with almost any weight because it is really soft but you dont have to force it, not a big problem at your weight. Still it would feel better with a little stiffer suspension.
If you mean the Fluid Freeride Horizon i cant tell you if it is a better choice but the (dual Motor) Mantis is definitely a whole lot more fun to ride.
Scooter consumers are looking for much more from manufacturers,better steering columns,lighting front and rear and overall better quality build
One thing I learned from Kaabo is that they learn from feedback and improve. That also means however that you don't always want to be the first who gets the scooter ;-)
I really liked your review.
You mentioned you would do another for the single motor version, I'm even more interested in that ☺️.
Thx
I am sorry - i had the single on the shelf a long time and then sold it. was a bit dissappointed to be honest. Not because it is a bad scooter in general but i did not like its behaviour (in short: 500W Version has good torque, low top speed, no Ebrake, bad brakes and better ones dont fit, acceptable range, flaws like the bigger brother, the one i sold had a dead controller after 300km).
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 thx for your impression. I asked because I have a single motor on the way. Sadly it's taking 3 month to arrive. It's a fully hydraulic brake model, so I'm expecting good brakes. Not caring about top speed. Thx again!
So this scooter is not waterproof? I want to sell my X365 PRO and buy this, but looks really only for sunny days :D. Mudguards are short and water can go into controler. My M365 survived incredible rains without any water inside. Also mudguards are awesome at M365. I need to arrive at work clean :).
The newest version V3 is a little bit protected against water from factory, but still not the scooter of choice riding in the rain.
Perfect video! Clear and well explained!
I have a question you may know the answer to due to your experience!
Today the brake lamps (blinking inner lamps) on my mantis just stoped. I have opened up the battery compartment, all cables are attached. Everything else working fine and seems ok.
Cable pack at top seems intact all contacts are attached! Both left and right brake tested, brake lights not reacting. Controller compartment is checked but nothing seems detached.
The static red back lights works. Only blinking brake does not work! Any suggestions? Can both inner lamps have gone broken at the same time?
they say its a common issue, and kaboo is already shipping the replacements
The Answer is simple. In one of the sides behind the side light is a green shrink wrap part with electronics in it. This is the electronics that does the blinking of brake lights and there is a 100 Ohm smd resistor on it that dies ;-) replacing it with a bigger resistor (1/2W or more) helps. I will make a video about it
When you said , it's not good when it rains?? do you mean, riding in the rain will shorts the electronics? I never heard of this problem with the Zero 10X? Thanks for your reviews.
Yes, I mean the electronic is vulnerable.
I think this is because Zero 10X is better waterproofed than Kaabo Mantis.
how do i make suspension softer for light rider? should I make the coil longer or shorter?
Great review, thanks for the patience to go in detail through all the issues.
Regarding the stem + handlebar issue - isn't it possible to replace both with aftermarket ones, thus solving both problems (unreachable recessed screws and non-standard handlebar diameter) ?
If the steerer (that's the vertical rod to which the stem is attached) has a standard diameter (usually 1 1/8 inch), this should be achievable.
I have tried that and been asked very often. So far i did not find aftermarket parts to replace this. There are alternative Handlebars and thats it. Everything on the mantis is somehow different sized then on a bike or a Dualtron... I guess with time there will be aftermarket parts.
Update: there is a stem to Handlebar Adapter available - actually more then one :) So this is now possible with any generic handlebar
Well presented . .lm looking at the mantis
Hi I have the same but problem is takeing tyer off so hard
hey bro, i like your videos a lot,, and ive got a question maybe you can help me ,, can i buy tubeless tires and install them on the mantis PRO? thanks for your help
Hi Miguel, somehow you could sure manage it but it is not worth the effort because the rim of the Mantis is not built for tubeless. The rim is made to be separated in the middle for easier tire change but this means it is not airtight and getting it to be so is not easy. So it is possible but much more effort then you would wish
Very good review!
Have u tried changing to offroad tires? Is it possible?
It is possible but i would not see fit. The road tires are good if you go offroad once in a while and if you really want to drive offroad very much get a different Scooter like the Wolf Warrior or a Dualtron Ultra or any other big ass 11" Scooter. The Mantis can do this a little but is still more suited for the street.
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Have you found solution to prevent water from going into controller? I am thinking of buying this so valuable information. Thanks
Hi, new units shipped should already be waterproofed by silicone from factory.
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 thanks I SUBBED. I look forward to your updates. 💪🏻🤓😎🤓😎🤓😎🤓😎
so you think a 80kg man is too heavy for the suspension of this scooter? do you know what is the suspension travel? thank you
I think 80kg is just fine but 100kg would be a little much. It still works and is very comfortable, you may just eventually bottom out the suspension. The whole suspension travel is ~5cm.
an u do a video wit the deck off so we can see the wire management please
There is no wire management =D You would see a bunch of wires cramped to the smallest space possible and a big battery. If i open the scooter again i will make a video but i think you can already find that elsewhere.
I put black silicone on the wires thru the controller water problem solve
What is black silicone and where do you get it?
Thanks for the tip!
Very nice and thorough review! Could you supply the links for trusted sellers to buy from? (Subscribed) :)
It really depends where you are from. At time of my purchase Alibaba was the only option but now there are many local sellers also.
Another question Zero 10 X or Mantis ?
trying to decide.
Both are great. I like the fenders and the deck of the Zero more and it should be easier to replace the handlebar with the stock clamp. Mantis is stronger and in my opinion looks better.
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 Yes, I am edging towards the mantis, primarily because of control electronics and LCD display.
Any recommendations on what material to use to seal our scooter?
Use a good cleaner (alcohol or some other fat removing solution) to clean all the spaces where water comes in and then use silicone glue.
ralf halbknapp - awesome thanks man!
Thanks for the review, I want to get one but with the water might seep in problem, I think I'll get one from other brand.
Most escooters do not have an IP rating.
Hi, how your mantis holding up now? Im olanning to get one also
I did some mods, repaired some things and swapped parts. But the newest Mantis Units have some much needed improvements so i would recommend a new mantis even more ;-)
I am planning on using this scooter 365 days a year, what are your thoughts on using it in heavy rain?
If you did not seal the scooter somehow before that don't do it. I have seen a fried controller from water inside (not mine) so be cautious. Kaabo will propably seal future Mantis in the factory to be waterproof but i have not heard that this is standard for now
In my opinion you should have an alternative mode of transportation for bad weather!
Thank you for the detail:) please clarify if you solder 2 x 67.2v 2a chargers to 1 XLR plug it will be safe? I dont understand electrical maths very well but I'm concerned the parallel link will become 134.4v 4a. That will cook the cells fast?! Great video.
I did this already (3 to 1 Charger adapter) but am afraid to post because if someone without knowledge does it he may fry the scooter (ok, maybe not because it is all protected) but this is dangerous nonetheless. By the way if you would connect it wrong like you mentioned you would get a 114,4V Charger (67,2Vx2) that still charges with 2A and will not instantly fry the battery or charge any faster but would not stop charging and therefore overload the battery (the bms should cut out and save the battery but better not try)
Is there a company out there that makes a seat kit this scooter
Hi, sorry but i dont know of any. Reason is that the mantis is not designed for use with a seat (which would first of all need top facing screws that are not obstructed. If you remove the silicone cover you can still use many seats for other scooters if you drill the holes needed on the seat base to fit with the screws that the deck cover uses
Have you tried it on the charger? Isn't it dangerous?
While I don't exactly know what you refer to it is not dangerous to turn on the scooter while on the charger. You may eventually damage the cable if you start driving though :)
this is not 2020 version 3 correct of the pro?
This is a late Version 1. Current is Version 4 or 5 dependent on how you count. New version every few months to *again* fix some things.
Not really there are only 3 versions
i hope you replaced the stem on that one before it breaks on you
Good one! :)
Are those 3" tyres that are next to scooter ?
No, these are the same 10"x2,5" Tires. I have yet to try the (similar looking) 3" Tires.
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 It would interesting to see difference between tyres
Mantis vs Spider which one to get
Donot like the deck
Did this hit 40 mph?
I would like to know as well.
I got 37,5 mph on this Mantis (heavier motors). The lighter Motors will get you ~44mph but with softer acceleration.
The overall layout seems very similar to zero 10x.
It absolutely is but still some details are different.
are you also selling them in EU?
I am NOT a reseller. Meanwhile there should be some possibilities to buy one in the EU.
Rueda tubeles...?
No, the wheel has a tube inside. (La rueda tiene un tubo)
is it waterproof?
Very much not on my version and "a little" on the Current V3 of Mantis
ralf halbknapp ok
F.. this or the Widewheel Pro 2020?
Great question! I'm on the fence between these two as well. If I'm going to spend the money for a Mantis, I'm seriously considering the Zero 8X too.
@@delavega989 dont get a 8" Scooter if you dont have to due to weight or size constrains. Just my opinion
The widewheel is not even in the same Category as the Mantis (but also cheaper).
WE DO NOT SEE INSIDE....CAN YOU OPEN PLEASE. ...AND REAPIT THE EXPLANATION AGAIN SIR
I will make a video of the insides soon but you would have been dissappointed. The inside is 95% battery and a small space where they forced all the cables in.
Dear Ralph, many thanks for your detailed review! What do you think Can I replace the suspension springs with Air Shocks like Kindshock EXA A5 RE? www.aliexpress.com/item/32868251453.html
Or another springs? - www.aliexpress.com/item/4000060852657.html
Or can you suggest some another? My weight is around 105Kg.
Thanks,
Andrei
No, you can't replace the suspension in general.
Hey Ralf you had another channel right your voice is very disruptive man 👍
Not sure what you mean but that is my only channel so far. I will however make newer videos with better audio quality and help from my wife behind the camera so you can hear my disruptive voice better =D
if you was to buy a scooter again what what would you buy I am thinking of daultron 3 or mantis or zero 10 any opions many thanks great videos
Dualtron 3 and Mantis are both really great. It depends on what things you prefer.