Portable Power Breakthrough? SOLID STATE Solar Generator from Yoshino
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- The Yoshino B4000 is a SOLID STATE lithium battery! Get one here: geni.us/yoshino
It delivers 4kw of output from a 2611Wh battery, and with their solar panels you get a solar charging up to 600w. This is clearly going to steal some market share from the emerging solar generator market.
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To address the "NOT SOLID STATE" comments - I have reached out to Yoshino.. Video update coming soon.
Thanks Tommy, I read your review 1 yr ago and wanted to wait for 1 year reviews to decide Y or N on Yoshino. I'm subscribing, look forward to your update.
This video deserves a follow-up and at least a title change now that Yoshino has been exposed for falsely claiming "SOLID STATE"
Pinned a follow up. Thank you!
This is the first solid state battery I've seen available on the retail market. Let's hope this is a sign the floodgates are opening soon!
Zendure Superbase solid state 6400 120 and 240. 7k
I believe battery development will render many, if not most, portable chargers redundant if time brings battery failures. Hydrogen generators may not be far off.
Interesting thought on the hydrogen generators. I haven't looked at the energy/mass or energy/volume storage density for hydrogen compared to upcoming batteries. @@rh7163
that power density is pretty amazing tbh. I can't wait to see where these batteries go in the next few years
Just imagine the next generation of EV
they already have Salt chemistry batteries not sure when it will be available to non industry.
Solid State batteries have already been developed which have 10 times the life and far more recharge cycles. Toyota has one that they say will exceed 900 miles and take far less time to recharge fully.
It works out to be about 100Wh/kg. That’s quite low - isn’t it? My bicycle battery is 3.5kg and 625Wh - about double the density.
2600W of capacity in this small formfactor is insane!
It's the size of an 2k watts inverter
So is the 4000w rated and 6000w surge output
@@YOKokobmore like 10kW inverter
Thanks for testing the auto-on feature! This device needs the ability to reactivate AC after restarting.
I like you bring up the concerns of having grid powered solar, and then the grid going down. That's my whole point of wanting solar is for the grid going down. Thanks for bringing up this point, I think it is important when people are thinking about solar systems, grid tie in's, the grid using their power etc. Sometimes a stand alone system is best.
Great review but that’s a stupid crazy price! I think I’ll stick with my Bluetti AC180 which can do 500 watts. Yeah it may be more sensitive to temps. But for the difference of paying 800.00 vs 3,000.00 I think I’ll stick with what I have. This may be a good option for someone who lives in a van or does off roading though. Be interesting to to see this compared to some Bluetti products. Most people want to be able to use these for their fridges and their AC or heat units. This does have some nice features though. Thanks for taking the time to review AND show and actual test!
Interesting product, and the weight savings is very impressive. I have book marked their website and may try one of the smaller ones first. As a side note on your WiFi router, I have mine running on an EB3A ($209) which makes a great UPS, and it runs my WiFi router for about 12 hours by itself. I hope Yoshino adds AC bridging so that two could output 240 split phase. I'd by a set to run my 6KW well pump as no one else (EcoFlow or Bluetti) makes anything that weighs less than about 240 pounds, which can act as a UPS for big split phase loads. Thanks for the review!
Once I get a one good 240 split phase power station I’m taking it to my moms house in Missouri for their well pump. Totally agree!
I saw your ad minutes ago while watching a TH-cam video of investors buying up single homes to turn around for rental properties. I immediately went to the Yoshino website. Then I searched TH-cam to get reviews and your TH-cam video was second in line. I chose to watch yours first. My main concern for buying a power generator was for solar charging, weight, cost, quality. I also loved how this has more than enough inputs for all my present needs and future needs. I am not a homeowner, but have equipment of various sorts I want to use if outdoors or whenever power goes out. Thanks for sharing via TH-cam. Thanks for reading my comments. Smiles
Thank you. It’s not my ad though, sometimes companies like my videos and choose to advertise them. I’m totally okay with that, though. I appreciate your comment.
Like LifePo, anode development took time to mature. Today, LifePo batteries are 300AH and are happy being charged with a continuous 90 Amps, and a Max Amp rating of 400 Amps.
Not many Charge Controllers or BMS are capable for Amp Hungry batteries.
Maybe, Anode development for Solid State batteries will improve to the level of the LifePo's.
Really like this option. I can accept the 2500 charge limitation over traditional LFP battery chemistry; but the 600W solar max input is a deal breaker. So very close Yoshino, but gonna pass. Thanks for the review.
I need about 1500 watts of solar input. For my mini split
@@neilwani1178 I wrote the manufacturer to inquire about resellers and shipping to Hawaii (Big Island). They said no for both at this time, but touted that they are launching a larger unit at the end of the calendar year or early next with higher solar input. What that translates into as for numbers is anyone’s guess. They also noted to expect to have resellers and it shipping to Hawaii at that time. I have a justified pre-opposition to sales and marketing “information” based on life experiences. So take all this with a grain of salt.
@@heart4Pahoa these are a limited market for low pv input. Maybe camping. For the house, they seriously need large pv inputs.
@@neilwani1178 The minis kick down to around 550w, and down to 120w, for a 12k btu cooling model. May be enough for a day. But panels don't put out their rated wattage either. You can oversize the panels a bit to compensate though.
@mikemotorbike4283 yes. But I want to have extra to go into the battery and run into the night.
Pretty cool, also pretty expensive at $3299 compared to lifepo4.
I have some EcoFlow & Bluetti units which I absolutely love. I have been looking to add a small portable power station to add to my family & was looking at a Jackery. I had previously only been considering Anker, Jackery, EcoFlow & Bluetti units but came across Yoshino which seems like one of the newer players in this segment.
While functionality & performance are the most important thing the Yoshino industrial designers seem to be at the top of their game. Their units are really aesthetic & slick looking. Again, performance matters most of course & luckily it appears that the Yoshino units perform very well according to the reviews I’ve checked out.
Anyway glad I stumbled across your channel. I’m delving into a lot of reviews before I make my choice. I was about to click “order” on a Jackery unit tonight before I stopped myself & decided to look at other units. I love Bluetti & EcoFlow but wanted to try another brand for a smaller portable power station so I’m choosing between Jackery & Yoshino. Haven’t decide but your review should help. Cheers!🙂👍
if the AC was drawing 1050w during the sample, then getting the max 600w from solar upon connection isn't going to allow for the AC to restart immediately. it'd have to build up a buffer to cover the extra 450w
Yep
Thanks for the review!
All your reviews are great. That oversized curved bottom lip, combined with the close proximity to the outlet makes it hard to plug in GFI breaker style plugs or oversized plugs like Apple laptop brick plugs etc. Also how low they are, you have to overhang it off a table for oversized plugs but they don’t want to go all the way in with the lip. If the plugs were high up instead of along bottom it would solve that, or turned on their side in a vertical column. One has to use a short extension when using an oversized plug and that’s not ideal
The YOSHINO is impressive, even though it costs over $3k & expansion batteries aren’t available. I hope SHOSHINO comes out with a higher capacity model and/or offers expansion batteries in the near future!
I have seen a yoshino prototype with the same form factor than the bluetti ep500 with 6000w inverter over 5000wh touchscreen, 240V with big solar input and extension port, with solid state. It was at the ces las vegas. I have seen a video on it.
That's impressive performance, with cutting edge technology AND cutting edge price! Meaning, that unit will cut DEEP into your wallet! It's in a different category, in terms of capability and price, at that size. The inverter, in particular, is very impressive, for as small as that power station is, but I can only see this making sense for folks who demand the best possible performance in a really small form factor. The battery chemistry is certainly much safer than lithium-ion (NMC or NCA), but they would be hard-pressed to prove they are substantially safer than LiFePO4 or LMFP, which are far less expensive per watt-hour.
All great points. I would love to see someone drive a nail into both kinds of batteries... ;)
@@TommyCallaway - Will Prowse did drive a nail into a battery cell claiming to be semi-solid state...it did NOT go well. Short of that degree of abuse, these newer battery chemistries are much safer than they used to be, and they were never particularly "dangerous", when used in this capacity.
@@jasonbroom7147 Will Prowse is the best.
It my be my VPN not letting me connect to your links but wanted to reach out just so you know that they aren’t working for me. Great video! Informative, straight to the point and NOT annoying.
Google lead services doesn’t like the VPNsn. That was the issue.
Turn yo vpn off
Excellent capacity for a portable. Good for an off-grid cabin or an RV. But for the money, a permanent installation for home power would be more practicle.
Shouldn't any of these units be able to full recharge via solar in a single day? Also, I've never heard of Yoshino before, reputable? And, if solid state technology is ready for prime time, then aren't we going to see units coming out soon from the established brands...or, does Yoshino hold some form of unique patent?
Sounds Japanese which is very good news, the Chinese crap has competition from a known excellent battery producing country.
Energy stored is 2600 W hr not W. Power available is 4000 W. Watts is power, Watt hours is energy.
If you don't need the panels to be super portable and the big squares are fine just order from a warehouse and pick up some. 410watt panels are $250 here so it's a big price savings
If this reviews holds up, this is a true game changer. Bluetti should take note😮
AC glamping in the desert anyone? Oh my!!!😅
The grid tide solar will work if you energize your main panel with 240 split phase from one of your solar generators just be sure to turn off your main breaker
Thank you. I have been looking for a review for 3 months about this.
Please explain the safety of this solid state battery as compared to LiFePO4 chemistry? Is it safe from causing fires?
i think the only thing that burns in this is the casing. when you have hat much power stored and it shorts it gets very hot. there is no electrolite to burn
The biggest issue I have is the 5 year warranty considering the sticker price, I would expect the warranty to be consistent with the life of the solid state batteries since they are reported to have a 10 year lifespan and the solid state batteries are the heart and soul of these units. All things considered 600 plus dollars a year should provide something more than a 5 year warranty.
Highest warrantie for power stations on the market.
Not high enough for the cost@@dphillips4351
Im with you on where they evolve from here! Its exciting tech!
It only has 2500+ cycles I was under the impression solid state batteries fixed the dendrite issues and had far more cycles.
Great review! I just got the B20000, it's all that and GREAT customer service!! The B4000 is infinitely expandable.
How is it "infinitely expandable" I checked SHSHIONO's website & did not see any "add-on" battery expansion units(?)
Would it not me more efficient to find a way to trick the grid tied solar into producing while the grid id down, possibly with one of your solar generators?
Nature Gen needs to update to something like this. They have a wind gen controller in addition to the solar, which makes it more versatile in my eyes. It's just underpowered.
wow didn’t know we would be seeing this stuff so soon. Can’t wait for it to be used in cars 🤩
Same!!! Can’t wait!!
power tools-everything that moves.
@RagingDork @TommyCallaway same! I've been beating this drum with my friends and family for years. And even I started to not believe it to be a real tech. But seeing a review of a solid state battery in a real product gives me hope! Exciting time!
Game changer!
Greatt overview, awesome new tech, we have ecoflow deltas but I am also going to watch the development of solid state batteries. Really excited about solid state batteries
Thank you. Same!
Please let us know if they fix the AC auto on after Solar charging gets above a threshold?
Also could you power the wifi router equipment from the DC ports, snd do the DC ports auto power on once solar is available, thus allowing you to remotely turn on the AC outlets.
Cally? whoooa feel sorry for you, nice to have that off grid but the laws there are hard to protect it..........excellent vid
What about. Old weather charging…how cold will it still charge?
Appreciate your review, you're Honest most are not.
With as cheap as battery storage systems have gotten I highly suggest you get one for the array on your house solar is no good if you cannot use it when the power is out
Is there any overheating/fire risks with solid state battery technology?
They are much better. They have a much higher working temperature. And they do not ignite when punctured. (At least this infor is based on DABBSON DBS2300 power station that also uses SST battery)
How do you expect it to turn on when the load was almost 4000 watts and the input is only 400 watts? In this scenario, it would just cycle on/off rapidly unless it waited until battery was charged up to like at least 50%.
Hopefully they'll be able to address the issue with a firmware update.
@@__WJK__it doesn't know the load until it tries
Who is we? would like to see this change in the app?
1. What is battery dies? Then sun comes out starts charging battery. Consumption exceeds charging. On off On off not sure how good that is.
Thanks for the video.
this is what I found following your link
Thanks, looks like the links changed a bit. Updated!
So how many charge discharge cycles until it degrades?
2500 to 80% capacity
I'm not thrilled about the price for a home unit, but for a RV or camping unit looks interesting because of its weight. I'm interestingly looking into the Anker 767 for a home unit my home/office UPS.
Neat video, thanks!
1. So it's not LiFePo4? What chemistry is it?
2. Is anyone aware of solid state batteries for sale without the charger/inverter package?
Thanks!
App again, I was thinking maybe this was a better option than Ecoflow but it connects to the internet too. Where can I get a good battery that doesn't connect to my phone? There is no reason what so ever for it to do that. I'm just looking for a battery. Why on earth is everything connecting to a phone?
You look like the actor Adrian Paul.🤩
I'm quite happy and satisfied with the performance of my Jackery generators.
Won't disagree with you there, modern technology is amazing, and there's always something better on the horizon.
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How about a comparison between the Yoshino & Apollo 5?
Combining 2 units would give you 4 outlets right?
Is the solar charger PWM or MPPT? I don't think you mentioned it. I read the user manual and it doesn't list it either.
Almost certainly MPPT.
Some cons ive noticed, the website isnt clear that this unit is stackable. How is it that this is solid state but has worse shelf life than a lipo 2500 vs 3500? How is CS? Ecoflow has terrible Cs. Also yoshino is a newer company which makes me a bit nervous to invest in the product vs ecoflow. Deciding between the two, i may just wait to see if ecoflow comes out with an ssb.
I also noticed that the smaller ecoflow models, pound for pound are the same as yoshinos. Which is confusing given that these are supposed to be higher density . For example if you compare the river models
Another solar generator that has okay solar input. For the life of me I can not understand why these companies focus on charging from the wall? I buy solar generators because I want to use SOLAR! The weight of this is insanely awesome! I do like the 4000 output needs more storage capacity to make that last especially with the lack of solar input it couldn't keep up. Realistically 2500 life cycles is more than enough life on a battery. 5-7 years from now this technology will advance so far that you will probably want something newer and more advanced. This is just constructive criticism because I want this to succeed. The weight of this is a huge step in the right direction they just need better solar input. In the real world you will not get 600 watts of input everything has to be perfect for that to happen. More input and better battery capacity and this thing would rock. The battery life is enough I do not see it as a downside.
Agree. Came into the market with some super powerful features, just a little misaligned for the customer base that buys these things I think.
construction will love this- pop it in the truck take it home charge for next day. beats leaving a generator on site to see it swiped.
Yup, I use my solar power stations for my cleaning business. Foreclosed homes don't have electric and these solar stations are a blessing. No noise!! Some of these neighborhoods are not the greatest. Stealth is the way to go. Lol@@victorhopper6774
What I would like to know, and I am not an engineer, is how much power do I need to replace my 26 kw propane generator. Maybe not 100% replacement as I have a 4000 sq ft home with 2 AC units. Thanks.
You need an EG4 18k for your home ASAP ... And batteries, lots of batteries
Been very interested in that system! Working up the courage to mess with my complicated 8kw grid tie roof setup.
You need to install a Solark in-line to your grid system
Demonstration of practical uses are a bit lacking I wish you did a test of plugging in a full fridge and see how long this thing is able to run
Or test efficiency on ac/dc by draining the battery
Thank you for your feedback. There will be more tests in the near future. 👍
Does it duel charge?
Umm...is the AC unit configurable to return to its last state prior to power loss?
This tech is genuinely a bit exciting!
How many charges does it take..?
2500 cycles to 80%.
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Thank you, i've updated the link.
Don't turn it on. Take it apart! :)
how would you use wifi if your off grid and there's no service? does it render the thing useless? just asking because people go camping in remote places and wifi doesn't grow on trees or cactus, least i don't think so anyways.
Wi-Fi isn’t needed, but it’s a valuable tool if you have it and you need to remotely turn your device on and off or monitor it.
@@TommyCallaway thank you.
Bizarre they don’t just use Bluetooth.
Can you daisy chain them together?
Yoshino sounds like a Japanese company ?
Does it also support 220V?
Companies usually offer this option.
So I guess this thing could power an oxygen or CPAP machine?
i would like to know if you can hook multiple units together
Hi. You cannot connect the units together. We do offer expansion batteries (each 2.6kWh) that can be added.
What ever happened to Graphene? That was supposed to be the best battery technology
Sorry, I’m confused? You’re hooked up to the grid, but if your power goes out you’re out of luck!
Why not have a disconnect switch and server rack batteries instead of buying all these smaller systems?
The first thing I did when I build built my system was make sure it was disconnected from the grid, and when my power goes out the only way I know is when I get a text from the power company stating so, otherwise I wouldn’t have a clue! This way I’m spending a lot less money than trying to have two different systems.
If I still need more power, I can add more solar and batteries to my present system!
That's the goal eventually. I started with these smaller portable systems so I could learn about the battery tech first. It kinda snowballed from there.
I dont understand what he is saying. He is grid tied and when the power goes out his solar panels stop working?
@@nestnirvana
It’s called grid tied.
My understanding of Grid Tied is that you get power from your panels when they produce it and when they arent producing power, you get it from the grid. Is this wrong? Why do you not get power from your panels during the day?@@simon359
But if it’s a pout h battery cell it isn’t as safe 18650 cells
Is that a 220v plugin next to the circuit breaker? thanks
rv plug i think
Does. it have AC output port?……sorry, I now know, it has!
Did they solve the brake down when charging) if they did why have they not come in cars) HAVE YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEMS) OR ARE THEY SELLING)THE. PRODUCT )AN then WHEN THEY SELL 100 MILLION THEY DECLARE BANKRUPTCY)
They do not offer a way for two of these together for 240V. Big deal and a deal killer.
Is it possible for you to change the solar array on your house from grid tied to also provide you with battery backup for the entire house? Those folding panels aren't going to last for long. You'll need to do periodic reviews of the solid state battery to show how durable it is.
This device will not allow you to build a grid tied setup, and with a maximum solar input of 600w, I would recommend something else for that kind of setup. They are working on the expansion batteries which should increase the solar input of this system though. I will publish more videos when their product line expands. 👍🏻
Listening to you, your voice sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger with an American accent 😜
Would love to hear your thoughts on this versus the anker 757 or 767, whichever is the most comparable 😁
Noted! Will put a comparison on the calendar for this vs the 767.
It can't know the load until it tries to output
cool tech, but the price premium for this early tech is a bit out of reach for normal consumers.
As with anything that comes out new just think about the price point in about 7 years if the company is still around what new state of batteries their will be
60volts how many amps input max?
10a
Love it, but it's way too expensive!
Watts aren't a unit of storage. Watt-hours are.
I know. Slip of the tongue, my bad.
Nice internal ND filters you have! Which camera do you have?
I love my FX6 :)
AC output is more than delta pro, but not the peak output.
Yeah it is. Peak output is 6kw.
7.2kw is more than 6kw. @@TommyCallaway
@@christopherm1475 You need 2x ecoflow delta pro, and the dual voltage hub to achieve 7.2kw, and the AC outlets on each delta pro will no longer work while using it.. Xboost maximum for a single delta pro is only 4500w.
What happens when the WIFI goes out? Can you still run this?
Yes. There are physical buttons to turn on and off ac / dc.
This would have been a great product. 600 watts of solar is a big no for me. It's other things i wish it could do to. but i can't even get into that because im stuck on 600 watts of solar is a big nooooo. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
There are some great things about this unit, but 600 Watts of solar input is completely unacceptable. It would be barely acceptable at 1200 Watt Solar input.
I’ve already passed similar feedback on to them. I’ve heard their expansion batteries will increase solar input, but I don’t have anything in writing yet. I’m definitely on the same page, depending on something like this for your homestead would absolutely require more solar input.
600 w max solar input? WTF? It would take 10 hrs of sun in the real world.
WHY can't anyone give a PRICE while they give there pitch, oh wait its so they can give you a different pitch
I don't know. I mentioned the price in the first minute or two. 🤷🏻♂
The price must go down ...
Still with lithium?
Lithium is still in there, yes.
@@TommyCallaway thanks. I ll wait for the new technology with salt and no lithium anymore.
this have japanese origin?
solid state batteries are cheaper to make but yet the prices are a rip off right now, not worth buying unless u like to give away your cash. i can buy 2 batteries for $259 each and get 2400WH so around $520 AFTER shipping and tax for the same WH this thing gets and this thing cost over $3000 for it LOLOLOLOLOL.