This Alphabet cult have alot of people scared to speak out against them.Because so many are in key spots of power within the comicbook industry especially in the big two. The milkshake cult have destroyed the industry down to nothing.
A lot of writers today wouldn’t put even 5% of the work into a story that Grant Morrison did on Multiversity. I know that it is their property and of course it’s going to be used at some point but it would be nice if DC weren’t using it in such a shallow, surface-level way just for virtue points.
Grant Morrison loves the fans. Up until the pandemic, I attended many of his signings. Watching him hug the fans for selfies. Crack jokes. Watching the fans smile after their experiences. As a long time collector it’s daunting how times have changed. DC made its bed. They pushed out Geoff John’s. Pushed out Grant Morrison. Gone is the creativity. Now DC comic books have become horribly thought out political ads without any entertainment.
Grant Morrison is one of the few remaining comic book legends that definitely do it for the story, it doesn't matter how weird or meta it becomes. Doom Patrol, JLA, Final Crisis, Multiversity, even his The Green Lantern run had some good points. Wish DC involved Morrison again.
I am with grant morrison on this one because he's one hundred percent right especially with his multiversity work and on Green lantern while I didn't like his green lantern run because I found it to be way to confusing and super out there I do respect the guy as a writer and I too would also be annoyed if my work was being destroyed by lesser known writers who don't what the heck they are doing with my creations especially with the multiversity stuff.
Modern comics, always trying to recreate past success BUT THEY ALWAYS FORGET THE KEY ELEMENT.. .. FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CURRENT CUSTOMERS WANT!!!! oh yeah... .. If you don't think like they do, then they don't care.. Explains the sales figures
I've seldom agreed more strongly with an episode of Thinking Critical than with this one. There is no point in becoming emotionally invested in a new DC character when you know with a near-certainty that the next author will brutally, pointlessly murder them.
I know he gets a lot of hate, but I think Grant Morrison is one of the best writers in the modern era of comics. Love his stuff, and he has proven his ability to seamlessly integrate diversity and gay characters into books. Love Morrison and his substack.
I'm not the biggest Grant Morrison fan (though I do like some of his stuff for sure), but props to him for actually speaking his mind on this. Compared to other comic veterans from his time who shill for these same vandals (partly due to politics, partly out of fear of being cancelled), it's refreshing to see.
Wasn't familiar with Earth 11. Looks like some lovely superheroines - I'm going to have to track down those issues and check it out..although the DC website says that particular Earth was created by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuiness, not Grant Morrison?
It's the same problem at every publisher, big and small. Whatever work you do for them, unless stipulated otherwise, is owned by them. And thus free to be used and abused however the company sees fit. Yes, I do sound bitter... It's from experience. And the fact you can't do anything but grit your teeth about it.
How about DC appointing Grant Morrison editor and chief? Don't know if he would be able to get things back in order, it would require sacrifice on his part, and sacrificing a lot of untalented staff.
oh, and really...'Dark Crisis'? Mining the old shit and concepts...just like Hollywood doing their remakes. No interest. Zero. As for comic books, not enough people care or give a shit anymore.
As a life long marvel comics fan, I've been very indifferent about Morrison. I find that his era of X-men is best left forgotten, especially anything with Xorn and Magneto. However, I must admit that it's a masterpiece compared to the Krakoa era. Finally, i respect him as a writer. His batman run was very unique but I was too caught up in Brubaker Cap at the time to really give it a chance.
I thought Multiversity was a shit meta joke (a comic book about comic books for 12 issues or whatever it was.) At the same time, it was a coherent layout of the Multiverse, and I rate it highly in that regard (and rate it low as a reading experience.) The multiverse has become increasingly incoherent since Scott Snyder (who, like Williamson should NEVER be given the "DC universe architect" role) introduced a second "dark multiverse" and revealed there is at a minimum one secret univers beyond the 52 in Multiversity.
Grant's n52 superman had a villain named SuperDoom, who he said represented "corporate and popculture" Superman. If u read between the lines, that's Grant basically saying DC comics is the villain. LoL
We should use unique characters that already exist in their back logs or make new ones, rather than changing existing characters to "represent". I reccommend Tsunami, a Japanese American character from DC, to be utilized.
You know where I like the Batman that laughs best? When Batman and Joker chopped him up and supposedly killed him in first dark nights metal ending... After that ,I wanted nothing more to do with the stupid dopey character.
Have to agree, Grant Morrison (and Rachel Pollack) should be writing Doom Patrol, Earth-11, and a few other titles. He was a pleasure to listen to and later meet at conventions.
I had no idea that there was even a character named Red Razor. Tomasi is pretty respectful of the continuity and the characters , so it probably wasn’t that bad. Pollock also write the Doom Patrol too.
I’ve been collecting Batman & Detective Comics since the 80’s, and I really hate the over saturation of bat titles and events. I avoid them and also truly hate the Batman Who Laughs and that entire event. The recent solicitation catalog for DC must’ve been 75-80% bat-titles!
When you see that some of the most popular new characters are from the multiverse (Miles, Spider-Gwen) and then you have Captain Carter creating her own buzz after MOM and what if, even a character with no mainstream appeal like Spider-girl(May) has 130 solo ongoing issues under her belt.
I do agree with Morrison that it is a loss when the Multiversity, which was created to allow entire franchises--each Earth, at the least--becomes a mere source for someone else's cannon fodder. When I heard about the possibility for a line of comics for each Earth, I was interested. But now, I much prefer to just try to understand the DCU, both Morrison's work, and that of others, through making a series of notes. It's as close as I can come to the idea that so interested me. The problem is, I have no idea how many other people would share my interest. This may well be a major problem for print comics: our society may well have become so thoroughly niche-marketed, that it is now quite impossible to please a mass audience. The result would seem to be just what we're seeing: comic book companies (certainly including DC, although I suspect that all the others have the same problem,) throwing whatever they can against the wall, trying to see if it sticks, which if "sticking" means that it enjoys the runaway success of early Superman, then nothing sticks. There's only a limited number of gimmicks that can then be tried...and all of them have been tried, repeatedly. Want to try to create an analogue of what some other company is doing, with some apparent success? It's been done. Want to amalgamate whichever character with whichever other character? It's been done. Want to throw a major crisis involving all of your characters? Do I even need to say it? We are talking about DC, after all. Here is the one-and-only idea that I have in response. (I claim no other virtue for this thought than that.) Maybe print comics have outlived their usefulness. Maybe it would be best if all the copyright-owners, and trademark-owners simply dropped all of their fantastic fictions into the public domain. I know, I know...there's a greater chance that any given individual will win the Powerball ten weeks running. It simply isn't going to happen. So...does anybody have any better ideas? Or even just any other ones? But maybe we now need to decide for ourselves what works for us, (and what doesn't,) and explore the ideas that appeal to us as individuals. I'd like to see more multiverse, more Shazam Magiclands, and more Immortals, and more exploration of the fun/whimsical side of DC.
Yeah, once you break the 52 universe structure it breaks everything. If there's a dark multiverse why not have a light multiverse of hopes and dreams? A lust multiverse of horny fantasies? Etc
Agree with you completely on this one! Yes, the "dark multiverse" thing should'nt have been brought into being in the first place! Now look how it turned! And now there's a female bwl running around, and may come back to cause problems for the DCU in the near future!
In War for Earth-3, Tim Sheridan had Earth-8 Harley Quinn who was just Harley Quinn?!?! The marvel analog of Harley Quinn is Harley Quinn??? I asked him on twitter how that made any sense (after he spent days bragging about her and posting pics) and his response was that it was an editors decision. Great! DC is literally the blind leading the clueless!
While I was not the biggest fan of Grant Morrison's work he is a solid writer. What is more that he is correct when stating that the alternate earth's should be treated as their own franchises and, like the marvel knock off version, should be treated as if it were that world and not just disposable pieces. It is sad that they never really tried to explore another earth's heroes which might be able to give them the boost they needed. Even earth 2 which wasn't that great at least tried. Granted the bigger problem is they willing keep going back to the well so often and fail to realize it isn't working anymore.
Considering what he did to the X-universe on his new Xmen run, he doesn't have much credibility in defending the creations and intentions of anyone, especially his own.
@@zemox2534 "Make mistakes"? More times than not he has destroyed character. Turned Batman into a mentally disturbed man in Arkham Asylum, turned Wonder Woman into a lesbian in Earth 2. Should I go on?
@@DrLynch2009 Let him make his mistakes on his own characters. Too late now of course but Stockholm Syndrome has a lot of people thinking just because todays mainstream is so bad, his 'mistakes' were 'classics.'
I'll give Peter J Tomasi this, at least he had Red Racer die like a Hero, an not a villain, but even with Red Racer being a Speedster, we know even Speedsters can survive death, how many times have we seen this in DC Lore. Sure I can understand Grants Morrisons Grievance & he is right on many points, but he can't neglect the fact that Even Tomasi respected the Hero origin of Red Racer, whether it was his idea or Didios to kill the character off. Tomasi himself has shown how much he respects the past of previous characters in his writing many times, like damn, he has even written a Young Justice story for crying out loud.
Honestly I used to love the Batman who laughs it was a really cool idea but they did run into the ground. And made him God Batman as a lot of writers do except hes a bad guy so hes really God Batman.
Heroes in Crisis really led DC in the direction of wrecking classic characters. Awfully convenient that Tom King first hosed Wally, then hosed Bruce and then puts the magic dust to screw up every other character he touches. Tom King is a blight on the industry.
Look Wes it’s baseball season time to put the royals gear on and leave the chiefs till the fall. Glad to hear Grant speaking out, feel bad that Williamson is stuck doing this shit as I’m sure he has great original ideas.
I'm currently catching up with beings years behind with DC and am stuck in the lead up stories to Death Metal, and can completely agree the Batman Who Laughs is one of the stupidest concepts/character ever created.
DC is making itself an easy target these days. Its really tragic. But you cant blame a publisher. They hire people and pay them an honest wage to produce material that can stimulate sales. I gotta say Grants Green Lantern run seemed like an attempt to sabatoge and derail the GL franchise. Liam Sharpes visuals are always a treat. But Grant made a GL book thats made to look at and not really generate sales. Im a life long GL reader and i gotta say that Grant's GL really disappointed me. It even dragged identity politics into the mix. Lets face it after 40 years at DC Mr.Morrisons best days are probably over at least at DC. Hes writing storys to entertain himself.
This is the aspect of it all that I hate the most they never honor or awknoldge the amazing women or minority creators of all these groups that came before. The main reason is because most of these people know nothing of comics history. The same people who focus on the sexualization of female characters when all the male superheroes are sexualized too. Even many of the men have created many characters of all sorts of sex, races, and sexualities. It’s really is apparent how little they know about comics and even being in the industry awhile they still haven’t learned about any of it.
I never thought I would defend Grant but he speaks the truth. DC reminds me of the old Soviet Union where they would rewrite history like when they invented the wheel BTW Rest In Peace George Perez We love you ❤️
Not that I think it’s going to be really good quite honestly because we really don’t need this particular book but Morrison is a bit of a hypocrite here. If you’ve watched the doc about him he was at one point pitching a Miracleman story and he wrote to Alan Moore to get his blessing to write it and Moore basically slagged him and told him to stay away from it. Granted Miracleman isn’t Moore’s creation but he put a lot of thought and energy in the title and pretty much made his version his own and synonymous with the character.
I like a lot of grant Morrison writing at dc I don't think he would agree with this death of justice league to make way to the new bland green lantern btw can't remember her name and new wonder girl and aqualad but he had the great creations like crazy Jane and the gay Danny the street I agree not another crisis none have topped crisis of infinite earth I'm also disappointed with Jim Lee at dc now
about how marvel would never kill a captain america esque chracter in such a dumb and unimportant way...have you seen how they treat captain america nowadays
I salute you George. Your art will be used by dc to bump up sales to this shitty dark crisis. As well as you said Wes that dc keeps coming back but failing again and again. I still think that Grant should have been given a free hand to play out the multiverse. I still think Grant and Geoffe would be the pair to see it through the best multiverse can be envisioned and executed. I would have bought it freely if it would have been George on art duty. Oh my stars and garters! Dumb DC decision-makers like marvel. Be safe. Mabuhay!
I think that Grant Morrison is right on this issue. The Batman who Laughs, Robin King and now the Batwoman who Laughs are probably the worst characters ever created. DC just doesn’t care about anything anymore. Dark Crisis is just another Crisis event that no one cares about. I thought that Final Crisis would be it but no, DC decides to keep going back to a well that’s completely dry. When is DC going to learn to just leave things well enough alone. Each Earth in the Multiverse should be set in its own continuity. No Crisis events or crossovers, just let Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns write their own stories and leave it at that. David Zaslav should just sell DC Comics and get rid of it.
Just wanted to thank you for speaking your mind on things and the state of DC in general. I wouldn’t waste a dime on dark crisis. Been buying Batman since 1990. I must say that if things keep going in this direction I will be dropping all DC titles I buy now. I think the industry may of out grown me.
I dont agree 100%. Grant did one of the WORST stories with Superman and the Authority. It was a horrible SJW nightmare that spit in the face of readers and Superman.
You know, I may be in the minority here, but when I read "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (years after initial publication - just wanted to see what the hype was about), I didn't find the story all that interesting or compelling. I don't understand why it's being held up as some sort of inspirational standard for copy-cats of what was already a mediocre story to begin with (in my opinion, of course). The art was great, but the story itself was forgettable for me.
Wait. DC is trashing characters created by Grant Morrison so they can prop up newer LGBTQ creators and characters, when Morrison identifies as nonbinary to begin with?
18th rerun of COIE, indeed. I'm in the minority that believes COIE was a for-shit story (but with great artwork) in the first place; and the fact that few of the BIG CHANGES™ that it wrought have not been re-retconned, walked back, or just plain ignored subsequently proves my point. All existence in peril. Again. Yawn. When does Discovery summarily dismiss these sub-hack poseurs and replace them with actual storytellers?
7:52 You're absolutely right sir 👍 He also doesn't give af about line, shape, form, color, value, texture, space, human anatomy, proportions, facial features, perspective, light and shadow, consistency, coherent sequential artwork, the correct number of teeth in the human mouth, vital organs in midsections, original designs, plagiarism, respect for the intellectual properties of others, a total disregard for learning how to draw feet despite the fact he's been working as a character artist for 30 fucking years...
hey, your opinion and others are fine--I respect Grant Morrison's work or a lot of it, but I don'treally care if others use his concepts from the Multiversity.. This is the story and history of comic books--use people, lie to the, and do it again. It's finally hitting them square in sales and etc. Fuck DC. And just because some celeb creator agrees with you doesn't make him or you 'right' I don't care--I'm pretty much 95% done with DC and Marvel--anything interesting being done is being done elsewhere...in my opinion.
DC has become garbage. I'm 51, I've been into comic books, mostly DC since I was a kid. Hopefully lightning strikes and someone writes a good comic/storyline again one day. Long live Geoff johns and grant Morrison!
I recorded this before George passed away.
This Alphabet cult have alot of people scared to speak out against them.Because so many are in key spots of power within the comicbook industry especially in the big two. The milkshake cult have destroyed the industry down to nothing.
A lot of writers today wouldn’t put even 5% of the work into a story that Grant Morrison did on Multiversity. I know that it is their property and of course it’s going to be used at some point but it would be nice if DC weren’t using it in such a shallow, surface-level way just for virtue points.
Grant Morrison loves the fans. Up until the pandemic, I attended many of his signings. Watching him hug the fans for selfies. Crack jokes. Watching the fans smile after their experiences. As a long time collector it’s daunting how times have changed. DC made its bed. They pushed out Geoff John’s. Pushed out Grant Morrison. Gone is the creativity. Now DC comic books have become horribly thought out political ads without any entertainment.
im kind of ok w johns gone. morrison, not so much.
Comics were early entertainment, modern legends. Now Comics are just color paper for a message. Not cool. 😒
@@garou12 yeah, same. Johns outwore his welcome. Morrison is pretty consistent.
@@robinmohamedally7587 to that end though didio's jealousy of johns was way wtf
Grant Morrison is one of the few remaining comic book legends that definitely do it for the story, it doesn't matter how weird or meta it becomes. Doom Patrol, JLA, Final Crisis, Multiversity, even his The Green Lantern run had some good points. Wish DC involved Morrison again.
grant morrison is a legend. loved his animal man and batman
I am with grant morrison on this one because he's one hundred percent right especially with his multiversity work and on Green lantern while I didn't like his green lantern run because I found it to be way to confusing and super out there I do respect the guy as a writer and I too would also be annoyed if my work was being destroyed by lesser known writers who don't what the heck they are doing with my creations especially with the multiversity stuff.
Grant is non binary so it isn't he, its them/they.
@@zemox2534 not playing that game.
Grant morrison said (in many occasions) that he doesn't mind being refered by "him"
@@zemox2534 no such thing. Don't entertain insanity.
It is their choice. Not my fucking fault you don't respect it.
I loved Grant's JLA run. I own the omnibus!
Dang, it seems like the comic industry is full of idiots. If I was a creator I would have my own company.
Manga all you have is the author who is passionate about following the creator vision actually comic industry need to take inspiration from manga
Online comic writers love fans!
@@yarc9 invincible cough cough the walking dead cough cough
I heard someone call him “The Batman Who is Overexposed” and it’s a perfect summation
For me is was fine around the time he fought joker and batman in a 2v1.
You forgot the batman who does TOO much!
The Batman Who Won't Shut Up! 🤡
Modern comics, always trying to recreate past success
BUT THEY ALWAYS FORGET THE KEY ELEMENT..
.. FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CURRENT CUSTOMERS WANT!!!!
oh yeah... .. If you don't think like they do, then they don't care..
Explains the sales figures
Wish Grant would come in and manage DC, tired of the negative, great analysis Wes
I've seldom agreed more strongly with an episode of Thinking Critical than with this one. There is no point in becoming emotionally invested in a new DC character when you know with a near-certainty that the next author will brutally, pointlessly murder them.
The comics community accepting all these shithead writers and creators who fit in nowhere else was a mistake.
Grant is a true legend!
When Grant Morrison slaims DC, you know things got real though.
Wes I can't find the substack post where he talks about what you mentioned. possible to provide the article link or title?
Multiversity really was a terrific series.
I know he gets a lot of hate, but I think Grant Morrison is one of the best writers in the modern era of comics.
Love his stuff, and he has proven his ability to seamlessly integrate diversity and gay characters into books.
Love Morrison and his substack.
yeah, morrison is one ot the last legends of comics
@warwik Xio compared to the insanity of final crisis
OK. Grant Is non binary. Would you all please use the correct pronoun. Its them/they/their
@@zemox2534 no because he is one person.
@@chubbbubb6870 OR IS HE?!@!?!??!
I'm not the biggest Grant Morrison fan (though I do like some of his stuff for sure), but props to him for actually speaking his mind on this. Compared to other comic veterans from his time who shill for these same vandals (partly due to politics, partly out of fear of being cancelled), it's refreshing to see.
Wasn't familiar with Earth 11. Looks like some lovely superheroines - I'm going to have to track down those issues and check it out..although the DC website says that particular Earth was created by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuiness, not Grant Morrison?
“19th Nervous Rerun” is a reference to The Rolling Stones song “19th Nervous Breakdown “
It's the same problem at every publisher, big and small. Whatever work you do for them, unless stipulated otherwise, is owned by them. And thus free to be used and abused however the company sees fit. Yes, I do sound bitter... It's from experience. And the fact you can't do anything but grit your teeth about it.
Morrison is an interesting guy. I don’t always agree with him or like what he says but he is talented.
indeed
Well Grant you may be an odd fellow but I must say, you steam a good Superman
I love Grant Morrison’s work especially All Star Superman
How about DC appointing Grant Morrison editor and chief? Don't know if he would be able to get things back in order, it would require sacrifice on his part, and sacrificing a lot of untalented staff.
oh, and really...'Dark Crisis'? Mining the old shit and concepts...just like Hollywood doing their remakes. No interest. Zero. As for comic books, not enough people care or give a shit anymore.
King Robin but it's Spoiler, but she's still a King, like Valkyrie from the new Female Thor movie.
As a life long marvel comics fan, I've been very indifferent about Morrison. I find that his era of X-men is best left forgotten, especially anything with Xorn and Magneto. However, I must admit that it's a masterpiece compared to the Krakoa era. Finally, i respect him as a writer. His batman run was very unique but I was too caught up in Brubaker Cap at the time to really give it a chance.
Well, the George Pérez tribute cover should be the standard cover.
I recorded this before we got the news of George's passing.
I thought Multiversity was a shit meta joke (a comic book about comic books for 12 issues or whatever it was.)
At the same time, it was a coherent layout of the Multiverse, and I rate it highly in that regard (and rate it low as a reading experience.)
The multiverse has become increasingly incoherent since Scott Snyder (who, like Williamson should NEVER be given the "DC universe architect" role) introduced a second "dark multiverse" and revealed there is at a minimum one secret univers beyond the 52 in Multiversity.
This was not good idea. I don't like this Dark Multiverse. That has too much broken.🤕😒😵🤢
Grant's n52 superman had a villain named SuperDoom, who he said represented "corporate and popculture" Superman. If u read between the lines, that's Grant basically saying DC comics is the villain. LoL
George died? oh damn. He was such a great comic artist (pencils and writing). Such a loss! argh
We should use unique characters that already exist in their back logs or make new ones, rather than changing existing characters to "represent". I reccommend Tsunami, a Japanese American character from DC, to be utilized.
in comparison to morrison's multiversity, the current work is hot garbage
Ah, Morrison. Still a good guy after all these years. ❤️
Grant is one to talk about redoing Crisis .. His Final Crisis was crapola
A good day to see you & Grant agreeing. I understand your points to to a good extent I do agree.
You know where I like the Batman that laughs best? When Batman and Joker chopped him up and supposedly killed him in first dark nights metal ending...
After that ,I wanted nothing more to do with the stupid dopey character.
Agreed! When they kept having that character around, that was when I dropped DC!
I tend to ignore that whenever I touch on Snyder's run with Batman.
Wow, he has Substack? I didn’t even know that (I know that Z’darsky has one, but not Morrison.). Cool. I have to check it out.
i honestly cant believe how much DC and Marvel have changed in the few short years i stopped reading for . its only been 3 or 4 years if that .
Grant Morrison's Batman run was among the most inspiring things I've ever read in comics
Wes, thanks for another unfiltered opinion. This is why I roll right past the Marvel and DC sections when I go to the comic store.
Crisis level events should be reserved for rewriting the universe. The fact that they keep doing them so often makes them seem pointless and stupid.
Have to agree, Grant Morrison (and Rachel Pollack) should be writing Doom Patrol, Earth-11, and a few other titles. He was a pleasure to listen to and later meet at conventions.
I had no idea that there was even a character named Red Razor. Tomasi is pretty respectful of the continuity and the characters , so it probably wasn’t that bad. Pollock also write the Doom Patrol too.
It’s like Jennifer Lawrence when she said she was the first female action star.
There shouldn't be any alternate realities in superhero universes, unless it's in an Elseworlds or What If book.
I’ve been collecting Batman & Detective Comics since the 80’s, and I really hate the over saturation of bat titles and events. I avoid them and also truly hate the Batman Who Laughs and that entire event. The recent solicitation catalog for DC must’ve been 75-80% bat-titles!
That's why DC is literally called Detective Comics Comics.
When you see that some of the most popular new characters are from the multiverse (Miles, Spider-Gwen) and then you have Captain Carter creating her own buzz after MOM and what if, even a character with no mainstream appeal like Spider-girl(May) has 130 solo ongoing issues under her belt.
I do agree with Morrison that it is a loss when the Multiversity, which was created to allow entire franchises--each Earth, at the least--becomes a mere source for someone else's cannon fodder. When I heard about the possibility for a line of comics for each Earth, I was interested. But now, I much prefer to just try to understand the DCU, both Morrison's work, and that of others, through making a series of notes. It's as close as I can come to the idea that so interested me. The problem is, I have no idea how many other people would share my interest. This may well be a major problem for print comics: our society may well have become so thoroughly niche-marketed, that it is now quite impossible to please a mass audience. The result would seem to be just what we're seeing: comic book companies (certainly including DC, although I suspect that all the others have the same problem,) throwing whatever they can against the wall, trying to see if it sticks, which if "sticking" means that it enjoys the runaway success of early Superman, then nothing sticks. There's only a limited number of gimmicks that can then be tried...and all of them have been tried, repeatedly. Want to try to create an analogue of what some other company is doing, with some apparent success? It's been done. Want to amalgamate whichever character with whichever other character? It's been done. Want to throw a major crisis involving all of your characters? Do I even need to say it? We are talking about DC, after all. Here is the one-and-only idea that I have in response. (I claim no other virtue for this thought than that.) Maybe print comics have outlived their usefulness. Maybe it would be best if all the copyright-owners, and trademark-owners simply dropped all of their fantastic fictions into the public domain. I know, I know...there's a greater chance that any given individual will win the Powerball ten weeks running. It simply isn't going to happen. So...does anybody have any better ideas? Or even just any other ones? But maybe we now need to decide for ourselves what works for us, (and what doesn't,) and explore the ideas that appeal to us as individuals. I'd like to see more multiverse, more Shazam Magiclands, and more Immortals, and more exploration of the fun/whimsical side of DC.
I'm fine as long as Grant Morrison doesn't touch any main continuity!
The Dark Multiverse was a shitty concept since the begin.Modern writers just make the DC universe a big mess where nothing matters anymore.
Yeah, once you break the 52 universe structure it breaks everything. If there's a dark multiverse why not have a light multiverse of hopes and dreams? A lust multiverse of horny fantasies? Etc
@@jbbrolic Convergence brought back the old Pre-Crisis multiverse again and today nobody seems to care about.
For that maths
Agree with you completely on this one! Yes, the "dark multiverse" thing should'nt have been brought into being in the first place! Now look how it turned! And now there's a female bwl running around, and may come back to cause problems for the DCU in the near future!
What is with this pansexual Hal Jordan thing? I thought Hal's one fear was his commitment to Carol.
He is afraid to be a straight white man
rip george perez
In War for Earth-3, Tim Sheridan had Earth-8 Harley Quinn who was just Harley Quinn?!?! The marvel analog of Harley Quinn is Harley Quinn??? I asked him on twitter how that made any sense (after he spent days bragging about her and posting pics) and his response was that it was an editors decision. Great! DC is literally the blind leading the clueless!
While I was not the biggest fan of Grant Morrison's work he is a solid writer. What is more that he is correct when stating that the alternate earth's should be treated as their own franchises and, like the marvel knock off version, should be treated as if it were that world and not just disposable pieces.
It is sad that they never really tried to explore another earth's heroes which might be able to give them the boost they needed. Even earth 2 which wasn't that great at least tried.
Granted the bigger problem is they willing keep going back to the well so often and fail to realize it isn't working anymore.
Morrison himself came out as NB recently, so their erasure or alteration of his work to fit their narrative is even more ironic.
I agree the batman who laughs is the biggest pile of fan fiction I've ever read.
Grant better watch out before somebody gets the bright idea to turn them into “The Morrison Who Laughs”
I like Josh Williamson, but DC really needs big time writers back, like Geoff Johns.
Its like they got the idea for Robin King by looking at old Cradle Of Filth band photos and using Dani Filth as inspiration for Robin King lol
Considering what he did to the X-universe on his new Xmen run, he doesn't have much credibility in defending the creations and intentions of anyone, especially his own.
Hey. Grant had loads if bloody credibility and deserves respect pal. Even great creators make mistakes
@@zemox2534 I don't respect any writer that leaves me wondering who is wearing the Jean Grey and Scott Summers cosplay in a mainline X book.
@@zemox2534 "Make mistakes"? More times than not he has destroyed character. Turned Batman into a mentally disturbed man in Arkham Asylum, turned Wonder Woman into a lesbian in Earth 2. Should I go on?
Grant is human and humans made mistakes.
@@DrLynch2009 Let him make his mistakes on his own characters. Too late now of course but Stockholm Syndrome has a lot of people thinking just because todays mainstream is so bad, his 'mistakes' were 'classics.'
I'll give Peter J Tomasi this, at least he had Red Racer die like a Hero, an not a villain, but even with Red Racer being a Speedster, we know even Speedsters can survive death, how many times have we seen this in DC Lore.
Sure I can understand Grants Morrisons Grievance & he is right on many points, but he can't neglect the fact that Even Tomasi respected the Hero origin of Red Racer, whether it was his idea or Didios to kill the character off.
Tomasi himself has shown how much he respects the past of previous characters in his writing many times, like damn, he has even written a Young Justice story for crying out loud.
They dont stay consistant and throw in everything a comic book hater would think comics have
Honestly I used to love the Batman who laughs it was a really cool idea but they did run into the ground. And made him God Batman as a lot of writers do except hes a bad guy so hes really God Batman.
Awesome of Grant to speak his mind like this but the likelihood of jim lee and the paper pushers at dc actually listening is 0 :(
I agree. The Batman who Laughs sucks.
Agreed! He was overused and overexposed!
Disagreed
Heroes in Crisis really led DC in the direction of wrecking classic characters. Awfully convenient that Tom King first hosed Wally, then hosed Bruce and then puts the magic dust to screw up every other character he touches. Tom King is a blight on the industry.
I wonder what the difference is in wages between a third rate DC comic book writer, like Vita Ayala, and a top notch comic book writer?
Look Wes it’s baseball season time to put the royals gear on and leave the chiefs till the fall.
Glad to hear Grant speaking out, feel bad that Williamson is stuck doing this shit as I’m sure he has great original ideas.
I'm currently catching up with beings years behind with DC and am stuck in the lead up stories to Death Metal, and can completely agree the Batman Who Laughs is one of the stupidest concepts/character ever created.
Agreed! This character/concept shouldn't even come back after first dark nights event! He should have stayed dead/defeated, and NEVER RETURN!
Multiversity was my sh-t I loved those books
DC is making itself an easy target these days. Its really tragic. But you cant blame a publisher. They hire people and pay them an honest wage to produce material that can stimulate sales. I gotta say Grants Green Lantern run seemed like an attempt to sabatoge and derail the GL franchise.
Liam Sharpes visuals are always a treat.
But Grant made a GL book thats made to look at and not really generate sales.
Im a life long GL reader and i gotta say that Grant's GL really disappointed me.
It even dragged identity politics into the mix. Lets face it after 40 years at DC Mr.Morrisons best days are probably over at least at DC. Hes writing storys to entertain himself.
I liked BMWL during Metal but he just became overexposed to the point where his mere appearance nets an immediate "NO!" From me
Agreed, that character was being used too much!
This is the aspect of it all that I hate the most they never honor or awknoldge the amazing women or minority creators of all these groups that came before. The main reason is because most of these people know nothing of comics history. The same people who focus on the sexualization of female characters when all the male superheroes are sexualized too. Even many of the men have created many characters of all sorts of sex, races, and sexualities. It’s really is apparent how little they know about comics and even being in the industry awhile they still haven’t learned about any of it.
I never thought I would defend Grant but he speaks the truth.
DC reminds me of the old Soviet Union where they would rewrite history like when they invented the wheel
BTW
Rest In Peace George Perez
We love you ❤️
Not that I think it’s going to be really good quite honestly because we really don’t need this particular book but Morrison is a bit of a hypocrite here. If you’ve watched the doc about him he was at one point pitching a Miracleman story and he wrote to Alan Moore to get his blessing to write it and Moore basically slagged him and told him to stay away from it. Granted Miracleman isn’t Moore’s creation but he put a lot of thought and energy in the title and pretty much made his version his own and synonymous with the character.
He GAVE US the MAP of the DAMN THING!!!! THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH BS.
DESTROY THE MULTIVERSE ALL TOGETHER !!!
Empty is my hand ✋
I like a lot of grant Morrison writing at dc I don't think he would agree with this death of justice league to make way to the new bland green lantern btw can't remember her name and new wonder girl and aqualad but he had the great creations like crazy Jane and the gay Danny the street I agree not another crisis none have topped crisis of infinite earth I'm also disappointed with Jim Lee at dc now
about how marvel would never kill a captain america esque chracter in such a dumb and unimportant way...have you seen how they treat captain america nowadays
I salute you George. Your art will be used by dc to bump up sales to this shitty dark crisis. As well as you said Wes that dc keeps coming back but failing again and again. I still think that Grant should have been given a free hand to play out the multiverse. I still think Grant and Geoffe would be the pair to see it through the best multiverse can be envisioned and executed. I would have bought it freely if it would have been George on art duty. Oh my stars and garters! Dumb DC decision-makers like marvel. Be safe. Mabuhay!
I think that Grant Morrison is right on this issue. The Batman who Laughs, Robin King and now the Batwoman who Laughs are probably the worst characters ever created. DC just doesn’t care about anything anymore. Dark Crisis is just another Crisis event that no one cares about. I thought that Final Crisis would be it but no, DC decides to keep going back to a well that’s completely dry. When is DC going to learn to just leave things well enough alone. Each Earth in the Multiverse should be set in its own continuity. No Crisis events or crossovers, just let Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns write their own stories and leave it at that. David Zaslav should just sell DC Comics and get rid of it.
Agreed on the first part of your comment!
I think a lot of other earths are just distorted versions of the original Earth 3 and Earth x . Not original enough to be worth even read.
race, sexuality and gender swapping is their idea of originality they just mix it up on using 1 , 2 or all 3 on a character
Just wanted to thank you for speaking your mind on things and the state of DC in general. I wouldn’t waste a dime on dark crisis. Been buying Batman since 1990. I must say that if things keep going in this direction I will be dropping all DC titles I buy now. I think the industry may of out grown me.
I couldn’t agree more about The Batman who Laughs. Excuse my language here but I truly straight up fucking hate that character! Just straight hatred!
Agreed! They shouldn't bring back that character!
Wes i was a fan of this channel until i saw your KC Chiefs shirt. Hahahaha, just kidding, go steelers and west ham united
I dont agree 100%. Grant did one of the WORST stories with Superman and the Authority. It was a horrible SJW nightmare that spit in the face of readers and Superman.
No this week in x men this week?
Dok is still recovering. But we cover Giant-Size: Thunderbird tomorrow.
Death metal was so shit lol. I was so excited for it too
You know, I may be in the minority here, but when I read "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (years after initial publication - just wanted to see what the hype was about), I didn't find the story all that interesting or compelling. I don't understand why it's being held up as some sort of inspirational standard for copy-cats of what was already a mediocre story to begin with (in my opinion, of course). The art was great, but the story itself was forgettable for me.
Wait. DC is trashing characters created by Grant Morrison so they can prop up newer LGBTQ creators and characters, when Morrison identifies as nonbinary to begin with?
How ironic, isn't it?
DC losing their touch. Justice league animated series is the best, it actually feels like superheroes. Justice league comics suck compared.
18th rerun of COIE, indeed. I'm in the minority that believes COIE was a for-shit story (but with great artwork) in the first place; and the fact that few of the BIG CHANGES™ that it wrought have not been re-retconned, walked back, or just plain ignored subsequently proves my point. All existence in peril. Again. Yawn.
When does Discovery summarily dismiss these sub-hack poseurs and replace them with actual storytellers?
We are all onboard with you and grant on this. No one can seem to handle the multiverse except him
7:52 You're absolutely right sir 👍
He also doesn't give af about line, shape, form, color, value, texture, space, human anatomy, proportions, facial features, perspective, light and shadow, consistency, coherent sequential artwork, the correct number of teeth in the human mouth, vital organs in midsections, original designs, plagiarism, respect for the intellectual properties of others, a total disregard for learning how to draw feet despite the fact he's been working as a character artist for 30 fucking years...
hey, your opinion and others are fine--I respect Grant Morrison's work or a lot of it, but I don'treally care if others use his concepts from the Multiversity.. This is the story and history of comic books--use people, lie to the, and do it again. It's finally hitting them square in sales and etc. Fuck DC. And just because some celeb creator agrees with you doesn't make him or you 'right' I don't care--I'm pretty much 95% done with DC and Marvel--anything interesting being done is being done elsewhere...in my opinion.
DC has become garbage. I'm 51, I've been into comic books, mostly DC since I was a kid. Hopefully lightning strikes and someone writes a good comic/storyline again one day. Long live Geoff johns and grant Morrison!