No kidding! The game engine is a marvel and very well optimized in general. Reminds me of Fox Engine that powered MGS 5 and was kidnapped by Konami after they burned bridges with Kojima. What a huge loss....
It’s kinda crazy to think about, but ever since the RE engine hit the scene , Capcom games have all been A+. Goes to show how a rock solid engine lets the devs just focus on making the game good instead of working with a terrible engine taking up dev resources.
It's a lot about knowledge and experience. With your inhouse engine, you can ask the right dev about every screw and bolt. You can change exactly what you need. You can custom tailor it to your studios workflow. Plus Capcom devs have been working with the Re:Engine for so long it probably feels like home.
I have a question for DF though, when will PC performance be evaluated? Currently the PC version suffers from some pretty...strange issues regarding performance, mostly CPU-focused. I even linked to one of the findings via twitter DMs, so I'm excited to see more investigation about it in the future. EDIT: Honestly, with the findings we have...it could possibly affect consoles too? I see no way how it couldn't, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining or investigating these specific issues I've DMed to DF on consoles.
@@lukastemberger People have already confirmed that Denuvo is not involved in the performance issues, because these issues date back to the Benchmark build. I hate Denuvo as much as the next guy, but misinformation ain't it.
So what's left to do is improve graphical fidelity on Xbox Series S, and implement a properly paced 30 frames per second cap on the World Tour mode on PS4.
Seems that you guys missed the fact that the scenarios lacking visuals on series S don't lack it in the world tour mode. Check it out, every detail that is missing on the battle hub version is available on the same map in the world tour mode and it's running at 60fps.
@@yarinp23 Exactly, the SS is runing a version that is worse than the one on the ps4 and there is no excuse for that becuause we can already see the better version running in the same console.
I've been completely addicted to this game. Really didn't like 5 but this one is seriously fun. (edit: Even splurged on a good fight stick.. didn't expect to do that this gen, but I think it's that good and I'm sure I'll dip into this for years to come)
@@GrigRP depends on what you like; from a feature point of view it's better than USF4 (since sf6 has extensive single player content etc), from a gameplay perspective it's your decision. It's probably a good call to say that it's (still?) worse than USF4, but better than SF4 was on release.
Agreed! As someone who only has PS4 for SF6, I was so surprised to see how well it runs and makes me so happy that I can play such a fantastic game. Definitely is my GotY
@@Jerry4050 probably just time spent on optimisation. Sony (PlayStation) has been known to invest a lot in fighting games compared to Microsoft and Nintendo, hence why a few fighters that come out (e.g. guilty gear strive) werent on x box until a later date. And actually SF5 only existed because of Sony’s investment, otherwise it wouldn’t have released due to the hectic development. Otherwise, the series s probably could easily outperform the ps4.
That muscle deformation looiks amazing! I've thought for a while that accurate anatomy (lol not that Ryu's arm was accurate to a normal human) would be a great next step in making videogame characters look more real. People with muscles and little bits of chub that move around under their clothes. We need more chub physics.
Neither HD 7790 or HD 7850 class of GPUs were really considered low end by 2013 standards. R9 290/290X were enthusiast GPUs, 280/280X were high end, 265/270/270X were mid-range, arguably 260X/7790 also.
@@raresmacovei8382 The insane part is how well games run on these old consoles 10 years later, while trying to play the same modern game on PC with equivalent hardware would possibly not even run, or terrible if it did. For the price, consoles are just insanely well supported.
@@raresmacovei8382 Not really NVIDIA Exec called the PS4 a "low end PC" HD 7850 was on par with GTX 480 from 2010 The GTX 660 was a mid-range of 2012 and more powerful than HD 7850
its upsetting the muscle thing was one of there selling points and there was no way to know it didn't have that before buying it, it's such a cutback that i think capcom should have stated that it lacked that feature, what a robbery, that gimmick sells a lot of the super moves in the reveal seeing ryu's bicep bulging like that in real time was HYPE i was like "YEEEAH THIS IS IT BABY!!!" spent 100 on deluxe edition....turns out there's no muscle bulging, sorry for the rant dude this pissed me off as you said dmc5, re2,3,4,7,8 all looked and ran like a dream on series s and even elden ring lol but they cant have muscle flexing!!????
i can't believe I've put almost 40 hours into this game already. Mostly the oddly addictive World Tour but also by the online play actually being reliable! :O
I wonder why the Series S version is so bad in terms of image quality, it should be a lot better then PS4 and on par with the PS4 pro. The textures should be a lot better. I think the Series S version just got the less attention 😅
Graphics wise, it is extremely weird and just lazy that they did not give that series S more attention. But the important thing is, from a competitive standpoint, it runs at 60 fps without any hiccups.
I'm aware of Series S limitations, but Capcom clearly didn't put any effort on that version, shame on them. And Nigel is a wizard, this rig for measuring input lag is brilliant.
Been playing on PC and it's phenomenal. The character models are some of the best I've ever seen. Characters are full of life and expression and the animation is best in class.
The only thing that bothers me with the input lag test and using a non-native controller is that the majority of people playing probably won't be using anything more than the default game pad of the console. And not using, or at the very least, including the results from said pads is kind of bogus and doesn't really give a good impression of the general latency.
There is a huge missed oportunity here! 120fps mode at 1440p on PS5 and SX! RE Engine runs incredibly well on last gen consoles, there is no way devs couldn't manage to set a 120fps mode on current gen! Just imagine 120fps with low latency mode... Now THAT would be a really new and responsive experience for consoles!
The game is amazing. My favorite Street Fighter for sure. The best fighting game since MKX in my opinion. Let´s see what NRS does with MK1 but SF6 seems hard to beat.
What they did to series S is a crime. The beta looked so good on the series S, its unbelievable. The series S is capable of good graphics at 30 fps as far as i know and the beta and world tour mode are both at 30 and they look better than the other modes that actually matter. I wish they would give us an option to switch to 30fps but with good graphics like in the beta.
@@yarinp23 was it? Im even more upset if it was. Sorry if i said wrong things. I just thought it was 30 because why would the game look worse with 60 now. I just cant keep my eyes of the bad graphics. I didn’t pay for this shit lmao
Really great video, and I'm super appreciative of the lag testing that was performed too. As for the game itself, it's really-really-really good. Hits a similar twitch-based itch that 4 did while successfully catering to long-time fans and newcomers alike. It also must be said that the online aspect is far and beyond anything I could have ever have hoped for; it works so well. They *really* need to be commended for how well they've done here!
Can you do an analysis for the PC version as well? Quite a few of us are having performance problems on the World Tour Mode where we're getting frame rate drops in certain areas when it shouldn't be having that. Would be good to know what's the main cause of it.
My low end PC can't run the online lobby very well (haven't tried World Tour yet) but the battles themselves are perfectly smooth and that's what counts for me. Considering that, it seems strange to me that the Series S version has so many cutbacks. I have a 4 GB GPU and I don't remember the textures looking as bad as on Series S.
It can cause some screen tearing on non VRR displays. Tbh I mostly noticed it on super mover cinematic animations which don't matter. My TV is VRR but I watched a fighting game stream and saw this.
I'm guessing Series S version was really the Xbox One version when in development, until they decided to not deal with two extra consoles. There's no way the texture can be that much worse than the base PS4 at the same resolution with significantly better hardware. Those textures clearly belongs to Xbox One.
@@PushStart_YT Yeah that actually explains a lot. It's an abysmal job by Capcom though. It should be in the same ballpark as the PS4 pro with better performance in world tour due to the vastly more powerful CPU.
The hair rendering for Ken & Marisa is a bit wonky in World Tour. But otherwise, the game looks & runs great. Though I find it weird that the Series S final game looks worse than the beta. That said, I’m glad you all are covering input latency for Street Fighter 6. Hopefully you do the same for Mortal Kombat 1 & Tekken 8. And given the results, tournaments will likely have to upgrade away from PS4 eventually for better input latency.
@@blue-steel7177 Series S should be matching PS4 Pro in visual fidelity while keeping most of the current generation animations, etc. To me this really looks like it is pushing a discontinued Xbox One version of the game. 🤷♂
So IDR (input delay reduction) mode switches the game’s output to 120hz while keeping the frame rate at 60fps and it takes approx. 30 milliseconds off input latency. Series X|S does this for all games by setting the system refresh rate to 120hz in the system display options. There was a question on a recent DF Direct Weekly podcast. The user asked why does Red Dead Redemption 2 feel so much better on series X. The user had this exact same question, does using 120hz refresh rate on Xbox when games are 60fps improve input latency. I guess we got our answer now. I commented on that video that it’s better to set Xbox to 120hz refresh rate all the time, but the DF staff said they set it to 60hz output when they are playing a 60fps game. Seems like they are under utilizing and don’t speak about a key Xbox advantage!
They've been shilling for PS5 fans for a long time now. Must be their majority audience or something. They always straw man about XBox and never about PS5.
It's quite disappointing that Capcom phoned it in a bit with the Series S optimizations, using asset quality even lower than the PS4. Like, it's just lazy that they'd see a machine with as much, if not more memory than the PS4 and PS4 Pro and decide to phone it in by just setting everything as low as they can
RE Engine was being used in the early development of SFV but as an unfinished framework. Capcom should document and create a new certification method for Game Engineering. The way they have consistently delivering high quality games with barely no issues at launch is incredible and should be followed by many, specially western developers who uses Software Engineering methods that does not goes well for delivering quality games.
Being able to fight on a 2D plane anywhere at anytime in World Tour’s open world (and with such in-depth mechanics as SF6’s) is nothing short of revolutionary for games as a whole, and definitely for fighters. I remember when MK Deception’s Konquest mode tried to do something similar but had to have loading breaks in between it all, then Armageddon’s said screw it and just had 3D brawler combat.
I appreciate you bringing Noodalls on to discuss the input delay DF! If you don’t have a 120hz tv, you’re in big trouble online. Thank God I have one. PS5 all day baby💪🏾
I haven't yet watched the video. But as a note i really like how the game manages to push my 3080 to 90% to run the open world most of the time at 60 fps with just couple slowdowns if im doing things in parallel (watching videos with super sampling and nvidia broadcast running).
The Series S version having rough visuals is a shame since it's probably the version a lot of smaller tournaments/locals will use as it's more affordable then a ps5 while still having current gen features like VRR to reduce input delay.
Who cares about visuals when on a budget? It's a budget console for a reason lol, I doubt anyone who's going to buy a series s is even going to play in 4k... and I really don't think they care about visuals at tournaments
every console is a budget compared to a PC does that mean that everything on console should be on low settings 1080p, 30 frames?! This shit is not acceptable, MK11 looks insane on series s and it's running on 1440p.
@@Rohgamu Visuals are low priority but it's not like they don't matter at all. The point is that it could look better, Series S is a more powerful console then PS4 but Capcom didn't put the work in to take advantage of that.
Thanks for the analysis, Tom. The half-refresh for distant NPCs isn't unique to SF6 - it seems to be a "feature" of RE Engine games. It happens in RE games too. It's the worst thing about the engine IMO - it really takes me out of the experience because it looks so wrong. :/
I mean it IS a feature, designed to help CPU performance. You make it sound like it's a core issue of RE Engine but the reality is that the developers easily have the option of turning this technique off - and it has been used in different engines and a lot of titles (especially Switch ones).
@@AnimeUniverseDE I remember GUN had this to the point where horses in the distance would simply slide across the horizon 😆 Wish this was a setting you can toggle at least on PC though, kinda like the destructible environment setting in RE4R or something like that
Happy, in some ways, to hear that the texture streaming issue isn't just me and not just limited to PC users and that it is effecting everyone. Here's hoping it is something Capcom can resolve fairly quickly via a patch. Running the game maxed on a 3090 FE at 1440P, there shouldn't be any hardware reason why the texture streaming/pop in is such an issue in World Tour mode. Everything else runs buttery smooth with all settings on max.
Really hoping a PC analysis is coming up because I tried the World Tour mode last night on my i9-10900KF and RTX 3070 and it was microstutter Hell, and the fights with Luke in his training center once I got a little into the story ran 30 FPS suddenly so the game speed became a crawl.
The framerate is really inconsistent. Sometimes it's super smooth and sometimes the framerate is cut in half for seemingly no reason and jumps back up to 60 at similarly random times.
Same. Have a Legion 5 Pro with an RTX 3070 and World Tour Mode is poorly optimized. Some areas will run at 70+ FPS and then at other places it drops down to 40+ FPS and the fights become all sluggish
The fact that PS4 Pro runs at 1080p similar to Series S is ironic, but with even poorer textures on Series S? Can we say little to no optimization on Series S? Let's hope some decent patches release, for Series S's much more modern hardware clobbers a PS4 Pro.
Great overview! I was hoping to see some information on XSX with HDR enabled and how that may impact latency. As it stands my xbox outputs a 120hz signal with HDR enabled. I turned off VRR due to its effects on local dimming on my tv and don't have input delay enabled.
When I play World Tour on the S, the fighters stages are actually full with npcs just as the X version (for example italy colleseom vs Marisa) and it runs perfectly fine So I just dont get what capcom did with the S version
I guess I can consider to be lucky for having an LG C1 with VRR to run on IDR mode. And oh boy, you really feel the difference by the second you press the button. This was one of my most anticipated videos. Excellent work Tom!!!
@@JVCHAMP It's an excellent TV btw! At 18:10 Tom explains it in detail. IDR stands for Input Delay Reduction. it's a mode implemented by Capcom to SF6 that helps reducing input delay for screens with 120hz like LG C1. What it basically does is changing refresh rate to 120hz to input with much less delay, and man, you can really feel it the second you smash the buttons. However, is important to note that the game does not run at 120fps, but at 60fps while the input is receiving data at 120hz, the response will of course will be much lower. It's a genius move for consoles and very helpful for us fighting game fans!
The World Tour/Yakuza comparison makes me want a Capcom open-world brawler like yesterday ...While we're at it, Namco should bring back the criminally overlooked Urban Reign from PS2. UR wasn't technically open-world (medium size areas selectable via the map). But, the Tekken-style brawling along with some destructable environments and light rpg leveling made UR one of my favorite games just to play whenever. To me it was what Burnout was to racing. ...Namco gushing aside, SF6 is darn impressive in scope and I enjoyed the demo quite a bit. I really want open-world beat 'em ups to make a comeback. Capcom should ressurect Final Fight giving it the RE Engine treatment. The last mainline entry was FF Streetwise. FF definitely needs some love.
I'm torn here. It's impressive Capcom was able to get this game to run well on a PS4, but at the same time, disappointing that the Series S version doesn't run better. That's just poor optimization for the Series S version.
On PC same problem with hair, like Xbox series S, if don't enough resolution hair pixelated like hell, and world tour drops framerate, when fight, and go slow motion problem( and in game have menu of fast search opponent(press x or square), where you need choose character, in this menu resolution of models very bad ()
I don't understand why the Low Input Latency mode is a toggle at all, if you don't lose anything by enabling it, why have the choice the disable it at all, worse, make it the default mode?
how many ms is pc without idr on? since you can already turn off vsync. IDR can be pretty taxing and if it doesnt produce much a difference there is no point in having it on
What the hell happened with the Series S version? There's absolutely no reason the PS4 should have higher resolution textures. Something went very wrong somewhere down the line and I'd love to hear the gritty details.
Great review, but just out of curiosity, is HDR available for the pc? Does Xbox series X have? Ps5 does not have. Any opinions with regards to the mods for the pc? I realize this is purely a graphics comparison but any ideas about the latency with respect to older ps3 arcade sticks running on the pc?
in terms of compute it is (1.8TF GCN vs 4TF RDNA), but Series S has huge RAM/VRAM issues that make it barely an improvement over the base PS4 in terms of bandwidth (176GB/s VS 224GB/s 8GB). The extra 2 GB that it has over PS4 are also slower than even base XBOX one's GDDR3 (68GB/s and also had a huge pool of fast ESRAM to compesate). which make them unusable besides system tasks. add that Sony's APIs are also more efficient with resources, closer to the "metal" as they are not meant to be crossplatform like DX12 is and you get why Series S gets either low quality textures, streaming texture issues low resolutions or just poor performance overall.
@@lowfightiq If you think a SSD will save Series S from all the design flaws it has you'll be preparing yourself to get disappointed the whole generation.
@@JaimeIsJaime So a base 2013 PS4 is powerful than a 2020 console? Here's another genius, lol Try to see some other game comparison between base PS4 and Series S, genius.
You guys used VRR capable monitors, right? On PS5 the game doesn’t support VRR, but it can be forced on at the system level. Did you have VRR forced on for the console tests?
0:30 okay? if this is a Feature Complete Game at Launch, why does it have held back Content in the Form of DLC Characters? I mean I'm okay if the Game features unlockable Characters but I think even if it's well established to announce DLC at Launch, it still is kinda false advertisement, since you can't access the shown content in anyway at Launch.
16:50 this is cool, but would be better to also see DualSense and Xbox controllers tested with their consoles just to see if there is any latency difference with how most people would be actually playing.
How come I dont see any screen tearing while watching your footage of world tour. I've been playing my Ultimate Edition on my XBOX series X and world tour mode has so much screen tearing i absolutely hate it. I am only using the default settings I haven't changed anything. My TV isn't a smart TV it isn't 4K its only 60hz. I am not getting screen tearing in other games just street fighter 6 world tour its the only part of the game i have been playing.
The RE Engine is probably the most important achievement by Capcom in recent memory.
Everything they put out on it is a banger, can’t wait for the showcase tonight
No kidding! The game engine is a marvel and very well optimized in general. Reminds me of Fox Engine that powered MGS 5 and was kidnapped by Konami after they burned bridges with Kojima. What a huge loss....
@@LurkingLarper Capcom huh
@@Sephyroth97 fingers were faster than the thought train this time. Obviously meant to say Konami.
yeah, after having a rock solid 30fps with nice visuals on MH Rise on switch, we have yet to see the limits of this godly engine.
It’s kinda crazy to think about, but ever since the RE engine hit the scene , Capcom games have all been A+. Goes to show how a rock solid engine lets the devs just focus on making the game good instead of working with a terrible engine taking up dev resources.
I agree. Resident Evil 3 Remake tho...
It's a lot about knowledge and experience. With your inhouse engine, you can ask the right dev about every screw and bolt. You can change exactly what you need. You can custom tailor it to your studios workflow. Plus Capcom devs have been working with the Re:Engine for so long it probably feels like home.
DMC 5 😍
This is what Digital Foundry is all about , great detective work !
I have a question for DF though, when will PC performance be evaluated? Currently the PC version suffers from some pretty...strange issues regarding performance, mostly CPU-focused. I even linked to one of the findings via twitter DMs, so I'm excited to see more investigation about it in the future.
EDIT: Honestly, with the findings we have...it could possibly affect consoles too? I see no way how it couldn't, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining or investigating these specific issues I've DMed to DF on consoles.
@unk_GHOST Someone is triggered about honesty in the gaming industry 😂😂😂
Haha can you see a differents
@@akirajkr PC games have anti-piracy software that runs in the background at all times and it affects performance. Consoles don't have these problems.
@@lukastemberger People have already confirmed that Denuvo is not involved in the performance issues, because these issues date back to the Benchmark build. I hate Denuvo as much as the next guy, but misinformation ain't it.
I wish the PC version had the option for separate render resolutions between World Tour and other modes as well.
World tour is heavily cpu bounded that's why performance is bad across all platforms, Capcom should make separated settings for that game mode
@@doomslayer8985 it also runs better in the demo than the actual release, suggesting DRM as a potential performance destroyer on PC
I have a better performance o pc compared to the demo but still have some frame drop down to 30 FPS 😢 ( using a 3070 and Ryzen 5 3600x)
@@grecoangelo4 gotta upgrade that cpu. looks like a bottleneck
@@doomslayer8985What I don't understand is why is world tour mode sixty fps when running around but thirty in a fight
So what's left to do is improve graphical fidelity on Xbox Series S, and implement a properly paced 30 frames per second cap on the World Tour mode on PS4.
i mean if its unvsynced its not gonna matter if its in the inbetween of 30fps-60fps
Seems that you guys missed the fact that the scenarios lacking visuals on series S don't lack it in the world tour mode. Check it out, every detail that is missing on the battle hub version is available on the same map in the world tour mode and it's running at 60fps.
Just noticed that today too, Marisa's first battle in WT looked like what I expected the S version to be - npcs, lighting
And it ran flawlessy
@@yarinp23 Exactly, the SS is runing a version that is worse than the one on the ps4 and there is no excuse for that becuause we can already see the better version running in the same console.
Another good point that show the Series S can run the stages with NPCs no problem, but yet they chose to cut content when you play versus.
I've been completely addicted to this game. Really didn't like 5 but this one is seriously fun. (edit: Even splurged on a good fight stick.. didn't expect to do that this gen, but I think it's that good and I'm sure I'll dip into this for years to come)
Is it better than 4?
@@GrigRP depends on what you like; from a feature point of view it's better than USF4 (since sf6 has extensive single player content etc), from a gameplay perspective it's your decision. It's probably a good call to say that it's (still?) worse than USF4, but better than SF4 was on release.
Yeah, 5 was the biggest let down in Street Fighter history IMHO. Blame sony and their shitty disney greed.
They nailed everything they can about this game. Now it's about keeping people interested as long as possible
Hated 5. Played it for 1 week then stopped. SF6 is gonna be a classic
The base PS4 version is really damn impressive for a 10 year old console !
the RE engine deserves the praise
Agreed! As someone who only has PS4 for SF6, I was so surprised to see how well it runs and makes me so happy that I can play such a fantastic game. Definitely is my GotY
Agreed, base PS4 with a cheap swap from the HDD to an SSD is a solid console even now.
I am surprised it outbeat the Series S which that is more powerful than the PS4 Pro
@@Jerry4050 probably just time spent on optimisation.
Sony (PlayStation) has been known to invest a lot in fighting games compared to Microsoft and Nintendo, hence why a few fighters that come out (e.g. guilty gear strive) werent on x box until a later date.
And actually SF5 only existed because of Sony’s investment, otherwise it wouldn’t have released due to the hectic development.
Otherwise, the series s probably could easily outperform the ps4.
Awesome. Really appreciated the input-lag deep dive with Woodall.
Hope they patch the Series S version in time, the textures have definitely been distracting in my experience :/
Yeah man, the console can do better, almost look like a bug😅
Should have gotten a better console. Series S ALWAYS, ALWAYS falls behind. This time, even the ps4 pro did better.
@Fernando Martinez shouldn't be the case though... make it make sense
@@BroHDarkCaBo It definitely does since the Beta was looking better (with the NPCs and all) than the final version.
@@THernane why they change it? Did it had frame drops?
That muscle deformation looiks amazing! I've thought for a while that accurate anatomy (lol not that Ryu's arm was accurate to a normal human) would be a great next step in making videogame characters look more real. People with muscles and little bits of chub that move around under their clothes. We need more chub physics.
I remember God of War Ascension had some belly jiggle (animated maybe?) on some enemies and they were really proud about it.
I would rather proper cloth physics first. Sf3 clothing is more noticeable in real time even with it's super low resolution in comparison to sf6
@@Ayoul E. Honda have some belly jiggles in SF6 too lol
Its a good time to be a fighting game enthusiast. With tekken 8, sf6 and mk1 its gonna be a fun generation.
@ASAP.69 I think tekken was pushed back due to the release trailer and date of Mortal Kombat
mk1 looks the same tho being that it looks like it's previous games and having me going like "what? restarting the timeline AGAIN?"
@@DrezzyEFTP it was always meant for next year.
@ASAP.69 "Tekken" is a weird way to spell "Killer Instinct".
No soul calibur 7 😢
Very insane how the PS4 and Xbox One were considered low end PCs in 2013.
And still got games almost 10 years later.
Neither HD 7790 or HD 7850 class of GPUs were really considered low end by 2013 standards.
R9 290/290X were enthusiast GPUs, 280/280X were high end, 265/270/270X were mid-range, arguably 260X/7790 also.
@@raresmacovei8382 yeah but the cpus were already crap then
@@raresmacovei8382 The insane part is how well games run on these old consoles 10 years later, while trying to play the same modern game on PC with equivalent hardware would possibly not even run, or terrible if it did. For the price, consoles are just insanely well supported.
That's why consoles are worth every penny. *not including the original Xbox One (with Kinect) 😂
@@raresmacovei8382 Not really NVIDIA Exec called the PS4 a "low end PC"
HD 7850 was on par with GTX 480 from 2010
The GTX 660 was a mid-range of 2012 and more powerful than HD 7850
Oh Wow - Noodals made it to Digital Foundry! So awesome please have him on more!
There's no reason Series S should be that bad. RE8 was amazing on the Series S. There's no excuse.
its upsetting the muscle thing was one of there selling points and there was no way to know it didn't have that before buying it, it's such a cutback that i think capcom should have stated that it lacked that feature, what a robbery, that gimmick sells a lot of the super moves in the reveal seeing ryu's bicep bulging like that in real time was HYPE i was like "YEEEAH THIS IS IT BABY!!!" spent 100 on deluxe edition....turns out there's no muscle bulging, sorry for the rant dude this pissed me off as you said dmc5, re2,3,4,7,8 all looked and ran like a dream on series s and even elden ring lol but they cant have muscle flexing!!????
I agreeI played re8 on the ss to and I thought it was great
i can't believe I've put almost 40 hours into this game already. Mostly the oddly addictive World Tour but also by the online play actually being reliable! :O
I wonder why the Series S version is so bad in terms of image quality, it should be a lot better then PS4 and on par with the PS4 pro. The textures should be a lot better. I think the Series S version just got the less attention 😅
On purpose
Graphics wise, it is extremely weird and just lazy that they did not give that series S more attention. But the important thing is, from a competitive standpoint, it runs at 60 fps without any hiccups.
I'm aware of Series S limitations, but Capcom clearly didn't put any effort on that version, shame on them. And Nigel is a wizard, this rig for measuring input lag is brilliant.
Overall things are looking quite good for the game, hopefully they can improve the visual quality on the Series S version.
They easily have the ability to, it's just a matter of if they'll put in the extra time to do so.
The beta looked better than the release and the demo, i have no idea why they released it this way.
@@ka7al958 Series S sabotage on japanese territory.
Series s is a 720p 30fps trash
@@rayyanabdulwajid7681 Did you even watch the video? Why are you even here?
Been playing on PC and it's phenomenal. The character models are some of the best I've ever seen. Characters are full of life and expression and the animation is best in class.
Wireless controllers are supposed to be lower latency on some consoles... Would be nice to see what the difference is...
Agreed
The only thing that bothers me with the input lag test and using a non-native controller is that the majority of people playing probably won't be using anything more than the default game pad of the console. And not using, or at the very least, including the results from said pads is kind of bogus and doesn't really give a good impression of the general latency.
Capcom did great work on this game. This is easily my favourite fighting game in over 20 years.
When you do tech analysis, it's not like a game. This journey doesn't have a real ending!
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There is a huge missed oportunity here!
120fps mode at 1440p on PS5 and SX!
RE Engine runs incredibly well on last gen consoles, there is no way devs couldn't manage to set a 120fps mode on current gen!
Just imagine 120fps with low latency mode... Now THAT would be a really new and responsive experience for consoles!
There hasn't been a fighting game yet that runs at 120 fps. Most of the time the animations are tied to framerate
The game is amazing. My favorite Street Fighter for sure. The best fighting game since MKX in my opinion. Let´s see what NRS does with MK1 but SF6 seems hard to beat.
I’m playing this on series X and it’s great. Weird cutbacks on S. Mortal Kombat, on the other hand is well optimized on Series on S.
What they did to series S is a crime. The beta looked so good on the series S, its unbelievable. The series S is capable of good graphics at 30 fps as far as i know and the beta and world tour mode are both at 30 and they look better than the other modes that actually matter. I wish they would give us an option to switch to 30fps but with good graphics like in the beta.
@Leiapetz nobody complained when the beta was locked on 30fps. Fps isnt a huge deal in fighters as it is in other games
I remember the beta being 60 tho
@@yarinp23 was it? Im even more upset if it was. Sorry if i said wrong things. I just thought it was 30 because why would the game look worse with 60 now. I just cant keep my eyes of the bad graphics. I didn’t pay for this shit lmao
Here's hoping for Alex to give us the PC port rundown and optimization guide in another video.
So in summary?
Turn on VRR on your monitor settings.
Turn on Input Delay Reduction in the game settings.
Anything else?
Great vid! It was nice to see SF3: Third Strike for a brief moment lol
Really great video, and I'm super appreciative of the lag testing that was performed too.
As for the game itself, it's really-really-really good. Hits a similar twitch-based itch that 4 did while successfully catering to long-time fans and newcomers alike. It also must be said that the online aspect is far and beyond anything I could have ever have hoped for; it works so well. They *really* need to be commended for how well they've done here!
Can you do an analysis for the PC version as well? Quite a few of us are having performance problems on the World Tour Mode where we're getting frame rate drops in certain areas when it shouldn't be having that. Would be good to know what's the main cause of it.
Yeah pc version is pretty janky although it generally works
My low end PC can't run the online lobby very well (haven't tried World Tour yet) but the battles themselves are perfectly smooth and that's what counts for me. Considering that, it seems strange to me that the Series S version has so many cutbacks. I have a 4 GB GPU and I don't remember the textures looking as bad as on Series S.
The Series S version looks like it’s really bugged visually. The textures especially seem like something that could be fixed??
They are not going to fix that, 100%
13:53 A little issue in the video: 70.3 ms it's on PS4 PRO and 71,9 ms it's on PS4. (Watch the full table in 11:34)
Good video as always😉
Been looking forward to this. Great idea getting Nigel Woodall involved 👏🏻
Is there a downside to enabling IDR? I guess what I'm asking is, why even have the setting if it helps so much? Why wouldn't it just be always on?
It can cause some screen tearing on non VRR displays. Tbh I mostly noticed it on super mover cinematic animations which don't matter. My TV is VRR but I watched a fighting game stream and saw this.
@@owwmykneecap Thanks for your clear explanation! That makes sense! 👍🏻
There is no excuse for PS4 having better texture than Series S. Capcom can do better.
@@KIGamin_ The hardware is more of capable, it's not old tech.
@@KIGamin_ that hardware is better then the ps4's hardware so yes. Blame capcom
@@KIGamin_ You're the family genius, right? 😂
@@KIGamin_ lmao you Very Very dilettant 🤣🤣🤣
Yall are choosing to be this stupid right? 😂 clearly the Series S is trouble for A LOT of developers. That shit garbage
I noticed the 1080p on the Series S doesn't look like 1080p (more blurry than the ps4 version imo). It looks like it's upscaled with a lot of AA
I'm guessing Series S version was really the Xbox One version when in development, until they decided to not deal with two extra consoles. There's no way the texture can be that much worse than the base PS4 at the same resolution with significantly better hardware. Those textures clearly belongs to Xbox One.
@@PushStart_YT Yeah that actually explains a lot. It's an abysmal job by Capcom though. It should be in the same ballpark as the PS4 pro with better performance in world tour due to the vastly more powerful CPU.
@@wanderingwobb6300 Exactly
The hair rendering for Ken & Marisa is a bit wonky in World Tour. But otherwise, the game looks & runs great. Though I find it weird that the Series S final game looks worse than the beta.
That said, I’m glad you all are covering input latency for Street Fighter 6. Hopefully you do the same for Mortal Kombat 1 & Tekken 8. And given the results, tournaments will likely have to upgrade away from PS4 eventually for better input latency.
Capcom are poor devs or Sony marketing deal. The hardware in the series s is capable of way more than this.
@@blue-steel7177 Series S should be matching PS4 Pro in visual fidelity while keeping most of the current generation animations, etc. To me this really looks like it is pushing a discontinued Xbox One version of the game. 🤷♂
@@davidandrew6855 I just think they gave this to some temps and said take the series x version and make it run on the series s.
So IDR (input delay reduction) mode switches the game’s output to 120hz while keeping the frame rate at 60fps and it takes approx. 30 milliseconds off input latency. Series X|S does this for all games by setting the system refresh rate to 120hz in the system display options. There was a question on a recent DF Direct Weekly podcast. The user asked why does Red Dead Redemption 2 feel so much better on series X. The user had this exact same question, does using 120hz refresh rate on Xbox when games are 60fps improve input latency. I guess we got our answer now. I commented on that video that it’s better to set Xbox to 120hz refresh rate all the time, but the DF staff said they set it to 60hz output when they are playing a 60fps game. Seems like they are under utilizing and don’t speak about a key Xbox advantage!
They've been shilling for PS5 fans for a long time now. Must be their majority audience or something. They always straw man about XBox and never about PS5.
It's quite disappointing that Capcom phoned it in a bit with the Series S optimizations, using asset quality even lower than the PS4. Like, it's just lazy that they'd see a machine with as much, if not more memory than the PS4 and PS4 Pro and decide to phone it in by just setting everything as low as they can
RE Engine was being used in the early development of SFV but as an unfinished framework.
Capcom should document and create a new certification method for Game Engineering. The way they have consistently delivering high quality games with barely no issues at launch is incredible and should be followed by many, specially western developers who uses Software Engineering methods that does not goes well for delivering quality games.
The texture issue is also on PC, along with an odd low mesh bug, hope they'll fix it soon.
They dont care. Capcom and Sony are married. End of story.
Being able to fight on a 2D plane anywhere at anytime in World Tour’s open world (and with such in-depth mechanics as SF6’s) is nothing short of revolutionary for games as a whole, and definitely for fighters. I remember when MK Deception’s Konquest mode tried to do something similar but had to have loading breaks in between it all, then Armageddon’s said screw it and just had 3D brawler combat.
120Hz + Freesync on Series X is a great combo ❤
I have a 1440p 165hz monitor. You’re saying the performance is good?
@@LuisRivera0506You're*
@@LuisRivera0506 Yes, if you activate input lag reduction in the game is the best way.
@@DiegoCobain thanks 👍
Three or four frames of input lage is substantially better than the 8 frames of lag on Street Fighter V when it released.
🤣🪦🤣🪦
I appreciate you bringing Noodalls on to discuss the input delay DF! If you don’t have a 120hz tv, you’re in big trouble online. Thank God I have one. PS5 all day baby💪🏾
@DSPGaming claims this video is incorrect, and he knows someone who designed the "Operating System" and the PC has much lower latency.
I haven't yet watched the video. But as a note i really like how the game manages to push my 3080 to 90% to run the open world most of the time at 60 fps with just couple slowdowns if im doing things in parallel (watching videos with super sampling and nvidia broadcast running).
They fixed the graphics in the full version for the Series S. Ryu beard is thick and full now.
Nope.
@@andreatoppi5627 aye I'm whooping ass on it, don't care what nobody thinks, least the input is faster. See me online
The Series S version having rough visuals is a shame since it's probably the version a lot of smaller tournaments/locals will use as it's more affordable then a ps5 while still having current gen features like VRR to reduce input delay.
Who cares about visuals when on a budget? It's a budget console for a reason lol, I doubt anyone who's going to buy a series s is even going to play in 4k... and I really don't think they care about visuals at tournaments
@@Rohgamu But the beta looked better than the final build.
@@Neoxon619 I thought after the beta they would bump it up to 1440p like the ps4 pro
every console is a budget compared to a PC does that mean that everything on console should be on low settings 1080p, 30 frames?!
This shit is not acceptable, MK11 looks insane on series s and it's running on 1440p.
@@Rohgamu Visuals are low priority but it's not like they don't matter at all. The point is that it could look better, Series S is a more powerful console then PS4 but Capcom didn't put the work in to take advantage of that.
Thanks for the analysis, Tom.
The half-refresh for distant NPCs isn't unique to SF6 - it seems to be a "feature" of RE Engine games. It happens in RE games too. It's the worst thing about the engine IMO - it really takes me out of the experience because it looks so wrong. :/
I mean it IS a feature, designed to help CPU performance. You make it sound like it's a core issue of RE Engine but the reality is that the developers easily have the option of turning this technique off - and it has been used in different engines and a lot of titles (especially Switch ones).
@@AnimeUniverseDE I remember GUN had this to the point where horses in the distance would simply slide across the horizon 😆
Wish this was a setting you can toggle at least on PC though, kinda like the destructible environment setting in RE4R or something like that
Wait, why isn't the S changing to 1440p in the classic mode, like the PS5 and SX going to 4K outside of World Tour?
So if my math is correct, in frames, the input delay is 3.44f on PS5, 3.48f on PC, and 3.49f on Xbox Series X?
So it’s best to turn IDR on when playing online for sure. Otherwise the input lag is huge and much higher than SF5… IDR is paramount.
This game is a 13/10 IGN because of Cammy alone. Thank you Capcom.
This is the first street fighter I’ve bought at launch and have been having a lot of fun with it. Even tho I be getting my ass BEAT.
This is probably the first SF that teaches people that it's ok to lose though, that's how you learn!
I guess they fixed Ryu’s beard on Series S, the most jarring missing texture.
Please Capcom, update de visual game for Series S!
Crapcom is not going to fix that, i can assure you
Happy, in some ways, to hear that the texture streaming issue isn't just me and not just limited to PC users and that it is effecting everyone. Here's hoping it is something Capcom can resolve fairly quickly via a patch. Running the game maxed on a 3090 FE at 1440P, there shouldn't be any hardware reason why the texture streaming/pop in is such an issue in World Tour mode. Everything else runs buttery smooth with all settings on max.
Awesome work Tom, thank you for covering input lag as well, please do the same for Tekken 8 and MK1.
Series S version graphical quality is injustifiable.
I kinda like the more clean visuals of 5 though
Really hoping a PC analysis is coming up because I tried the World Tour mode last night on my i9-10900KF and RTX 3070 and it was microstutter Hell, and the fights with Luke in his training center once I got a little into the story ran 30 FPS suddenly so the game speed became a crawl.
The framerate is really inconsistent. Sometimes it's super smooth and sometimes the framerate is cut in half for seemingly no reason and jumps back up to 60 at similarly random times.
Same. Have a Legion 5 Pro with an RTX 3070 and World Tour Mode is poorly optimized.
Some areas will run at 70+ FPS and then at other places it drops down to 40+ FPS and the fights become all sluggish
Try turning off ambient occlusion and screen reflections. That should help most of those instances.
The fact that PS4 Pro runs at 1080p similar to Series S is ironic, but with even poorer textures on Series S? Can we say little to no optimization on Series S? Let's hope some decent patches release, for Series S's much more modern hardware clobbers a PS4 Pro.
Holy pop in, Batman.
That open world area is like an NPC magic show...now you see me, now you don't.
Great overview! I was hoping to see some information on XSX with HDR enabled and how that may impact latency. As it stands my xbox outputs a 120hz signal with HDR enabled. I turned off VRR due to its effects on local dimming on my tv and don't have input delay enabled.
How get hdr in xbox in this game?
When I play World Tour on the S, the fighters stages are actually full with npcs just as the X version (for example italy colleseom vs Marisa) and it runs perfectly fine
So I just dont get what capcom did with the S version
sabatoge
@@lowfightiq You can say that again
I guess I can consider to be lucky for having an LG C1 with VRR to run on IDR mode. And oh boy, you really feel the difference by the second you press the button. This was one of my most anticipated videos. Excellent work Tom!!!
I also have Lg C1 whats is this IDR? Curious
@@JVCHAMP It's an excellent TV btw! At 18:10 Tom explains it in detail. IDR stands for Input Delay Reduction. it's a mode implemented by Capcom to SF6 that helps reducing input delay for screens with 120hz like LG C1. What it basically does is changing refresh rate to 120hz to input with much less delay, and man, you can really feel it the second you smash the buttons. However, is important to note that the game does not run at 120fps, but at 60fps while the input is receiving data at 120hz, the response will of course will be much lower. It's a genius move for consoles and very helpful for us fighting game fans!
@@665Iron reply!! I understood everything thank you! For the reply’ ! I had no idea!!
The World Tour/Yakuza comparison makes me want a Capcom open-world brawler like yesterday ...While we're at it, Namco should bring back the criminally overlooked Urban Reign from PS2.
UR wasn't technically open-world (medium size areas selectable via the map). But, the Tekken-style brawling along with some destructable environments and light rpg leveling made UR one of
my favorite games just to play whenever. To me it was what Burnout was to racing. ...Namco gushing aside, SF6 is darn impressive in scope and I enjoyed the demo quite a bit. I really want
open-world beat 'em ups to make a comeback. Capcom should ressurect Final Fight giving it the RE Engine treatment. The last mainline entry was FF Streetwise. FF definitely needs some love.
I'm torn here. It's impressive Capcom was able to get this game to run well on a PS4, but at the same time, disappointing that the Series S version doesn't run better. That's just poor optimization for the Series S version.
Will you be covering the PC version as well?
Absolutely amazing video. Really appreciate the dive into latency numbers!
Great video but the time you spent on visual cutbacks with the OG PS4 and series s was too long 😩
On PC same problem with hair, like Xbox series S, if don't enough resolution hair pixelated like hell, and world tour drops framerate, when fight, and go slow motion problem( and in game have menu of fast search opponent(press x or square), where you need choose character, in this menu resolution of models very bad ()
They'll tell you that an high end PC is less powerful than PS5. Simple as that. Lol.
I don't understand why the Low Input Latency mode is a toggle at all, if you don't lose anything by enabling it, why have the choice the disable it at all, worse, make it the default mode?
There's a bunch of screen tearing that you see, unless you have VRR.
I am not surprised with the screen-space reflection anomalies. The occlusion bug has been in other RE Engine games as well.
This gives me hope for a potential new MvC
how many ms is pc without idr on? since you can already turn off vsync. IDR can be pretty taxing and if it doesnt produce much a difference there is no point in having it on
Series s version needs an update ASAP
What the hell happened with the Series S version? There's absolutely no reason the PS4 should have higher resolution textures. Something went very wrong somewhere down the line and I'd love to hear the gritty details.
sabatoge
@@lowfightiq NO! NOT SABATOGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@dropkickpikachu 100% sabotage. Series S is way powerful than the 2013 console. 2013, dude.
What a fine piece of technical game journalism is this video.
Great game only minor gripe I had so far is hair graphics are a bit weird
turn on antialiasing
This is the best DF video done by the best DF rep yet. Shout out to Nigel.
Was the latency with idr on without vrr measured only on 120 Hz displays? Or the same latency was also obtained on 60 Hz displays?
Great review, but just out of curiosity, is HDR available for the pc? Does Xbox series X have? Ps5 does not have.
Any opinions with regards to the mods for the pc?
I realize this is purely a graphics comparison but any ideas about the latency with respect to older ps3 arcade sticks running on the pc?
The input data is very valuable to know in this video. Thank you
Capcom didn't even try with the Series S version, what a shame.
Great video. However, it was worth mentioning that you can get screen tearing if you enable IDR on a screen that doesn't have VRR.
Thank you so much for adding the guest for input latency data, was very curious about how sf6 runs bad previous games
Any tests/comments on wired vs wireless with standard console controllers ?
Series S is much more powerful than base PS4, the texture quality is atrocious here
in terms of compute it is (1.8TF GCN vs 4TF RDNA), but Series S has huge RAM/VRAM issues that make it barely an improvement over the base PS4 in terms of bandwidth (176GB/s VS 224GB/s 8GB). The extra 2 GB that it has over PS4 are also slower than even base XBOX one's GDDR3 (68GB/s and also had a huge pool of fast ESRAM to compesate). which make them unusable besides system tasks. add that Sony's APIs are also more efficient with resources, closer to the "metal" as they are not meant to be crossplatform like DX12 is and you get why Series S gets either low quality textures, streaming texture issues low resolutions or just poor performance overall.
@@JaimeIsJaime nope, the SSD alone destroys ps4 pro. no reason for it to look worse. except, sabatoge.
@@lowfightiq If you think a SSD will save Series S from all the design flaws it has you'll be preparing yourself to get disappointed the whole generation.
@@JaimeIsJaime So a base 2013 PS4 is powerful than a 2020 console?
Here's another genius, lol
Try to see some other game comparison between base PS4 and Series S, genius.
@@JaimeIsJaime well, I partially agree with what u just said, but it's the first time when I see a cross platform game looks worse on XSS than on PS4
You guys used VRR capable monitors, right? On PS5 the game doesn’t support VRR, but it can be forced on at the system level. Did you have VRR forced on for the console tests?
0:30 okay? if this is a Feature Complete Game at Launch, why does it have held back Content in the Form of DLC Characters? I mean I'm okay if the Game features unlockable Characters but I think even if it's well established to announce DLC at Launch, it still is kinda false advertisement, since you can't access the shown content in anyway at Launch.
16:50 this is cool, but would be better to also see DualSense and Xbox controllers tested with their consoles just to see if there is any latency difference with how most people would be actually playing.
Did you test with the 120hz option enabled on PC? I know it still runs at 60fps but I was curious if it had any impact on latency. Thanks
So do you need a hdmi 2.1 TV to be able to turn on IDR without affecting resolution?
How come I dont see any screen tearing while watching your footage of world tour. I've been playing my Ultimate Edition on my XBOX series X and world tour mode has so much screen tearing i absolutely hate it. I am only using the default settings I haven't changed anything. My TV isn't a smart TV it isn't 4K its only 60hz. I am not getting screen tearing in other games just street fighter 6 world tour its the only part of the game i have been playing.
How did you test the VRR option and the game doesn't have it, any secrets to enable VRR? Tks