I love that they got Nigel Woodall in on this video. I asked Nigel over twitter a few years ago to test an old game and Nigel did all sorts of testing all just for a thank you. Nigel does so much for input latency testing.
Absolutely. I grew out of all these side scroll fighters in favor of games like God of Wars, Spider-Mans, Last of Us, Star Wars Jedi games, Resident Evils, Ghost of Tsushima, Avatar, RDR 1/2, ect ect. Because games today look this good and that is the reason I buy Hardware in the first place And I want that narrative-driven offline awesome gameplay. Games I'm happy to play now later an years later without the Online ball an chain Garbage. Without any of that I would have zero reasons to even be in gaming today and it would save me a whole bunch of money
@@paul1979uk2000 It works out that this OLED version finally came out for him, from hearing what he had to say about the screen used in the LCD Steam Decks, he seemed almost completely disinterested in having one even if it was given to him for free because of how terrible those LCDs were.
To me it already is a masterpiece. The battle hub, graphics and story mode are a step up from anything fighting games has to offer as well as the world class tutorial. What sets it apart is the advanced AI tech and the fact it is the best looking fighter to date. This objectively puts it ahead of all others.
This game is a blast. I haven’t played Tekken for a long time and I’m having a lot of fun. Earlier when I was playing I was so close to my TV cause I was just admiring all the details in this game.
Love the inclusion of the Steam Deck! It has become my preferred way to play in most cases so I'd love it to be included in tech reviews moving forward!
The game looks incredible. The same as it was expected on PS5 and XSX but even on the XSS is pretty ok with logical limitations. The Steam Deck version is very impressive! Amazing job from Namco.
The input speed is incredible and very noticeable because it requires you to speed up and i couldnt believe it. But its a true arcade game and i love it. It really challenges you to get better and practice. Its chaotic and smooth and i love it
Great to see PC and Steam Deck included. I feel that those platform are an interesting addition as XboxSX and PS5 don't differ that much. Keep it up, John 👍
I used to play Tekken 3. It was such a huge leap when compared to Tekken 2. Now, in tekken 8, there are more polygons in one of our character's hand than there were total polygons in the entire frame back in Tekken 3.
@@turbotrup96 lol it's a game, of course its scripted, everything is scripted. What I think you mean to say is that it's not a true physics simulation, but you have any idea how computational expensive true muscle deformation simulation would be? Ever wondered why we are just starting to see this in games and it hasn't been a standard feature for a long time? Because even faking it is computationaly expensive when we are talking about rendering 60 frames a second, it looks really good, and is still a really impressive achievement.
@@DodgaOfficial There have been games in which body deformation was a thing, and those were on previous generations of consoles, so I'm not that impressed by it.
This is the perfect selling point for the Steam Deck. The idea that you can play full Tekken at launch, with next gen graphics on a handheld device is amazing to me.
@@alumlovescakeno the steam deck is pretty powerful for the price. And the fact that tekken works at launch is amazing. You’re just a hater and if you want to spend more than $400 on a handheld that’s on you
Maybe now is the right time for them to try a 3D MK again since back then 3D was in its early days. But I understand that both Street Fighter and MK would be very hesitant about returning to 3D since going back to 2D is what saved them both as we all know. Tekken of course started as a 3D fighter and it's still basically the same mechanics that worked back when it started so it's like tried and tested. I'd love for MK to try another 3D fighter, they've learnt so much about what makes a good fighter fighting mechanics wise. So maybe now they could do it if they wanted to. sorry for the long message@@DonYoGi8331
Someone needs to tell John that he cannot simply open his presentations with such fiery jams, nope, no sir, such a spark awakened my whole soul and took it up to the clouds. Give us an heads up next time bro, and keep rocking 🦾
Went Xbox and saw the results of this analysis, the Series X has a slight edge in resolution and latency so I'll take it! Also have two Series S' (one in the bedroom and one in the kid's room) so game sharing for the win. Such a great time for fighting games between this, SF6 and MK1. I still have to try some online matches. Tekken, the Royal Rumble and the NFL playoffs sum up my weekend. Happy gaming everyone!
@paul1979uk2000 yupp, and ps just raised their price to 80 dollars a year just to play online. And xbox of course forces you with the gamepass and xbox live bundle.
Put over 3 hours in last night plays like a dream and looks great on Series X. The first game that finally looks like the Tekken teaser for PS3 from years ago.
You say the Xbox Series S keeps a last gen alive while it also gives a solid 60 fps framerate and has the best/least amount of latency compared to Xbox series x and PS5.
Thanks for including Steam Deck and input delay, folks! A note for Steam Deck users: currently, Proton players are getting a ton of disconnects in online matches. I'm guessing a patch from Bandai Namco or Valve on either side of the equation will fix it soon, but we don't know for sure.
I feel like the PC and steam deck version should be included in all DF video's, it is the most different. There's not that much difference between PS and Xbox
@@yobro6053 SC is a little bit more cartoony looking but SC6 looks quite nice and I quite like the realistic but still anime looking designs. I find Tekken 8 characters to look off. Something about the faces in T8 looks uncanny to me
@@alumlovescake soul calibur 4 and 5 were head and shoulders above t6 and tag 2 visually. People may hate on sc5, but the game looked ridiculous for a ps3 fighter
One thing I found crazy about playing Tekken 8’s demo is the fact it has native UltraWide support (at least 21:9). It’s the first fighting game that I can think of that has it.
It's cool that Namco did this. I wish the PC version had some additional graphical enhancements, ultrawide and motion blur are hardly a showcase for the more advanced technology in PC.
Best settings I’ve found for maintaining a mostly consistent 60 fps on Steam Deck (might drop a few frames in the more demanding situations): -Steam Deck frame rate limit of 60 fps -Resolution: 800p -V-sync: off -Rendering scale: 55 -Upscaling: AMD FSR 1.0 -Texture Quality: Medium -Post-Processing Quality: Medium -Remaining settings: Low Hope this helps anyone struggling at keeping a playable steady FPS.
Even that’s Series S version is step down from Big Consoles it’s still absolutely gorgeous compared the street fighter 6 port Im playing it on 50 4K TV with HDR and it’s looks stunning , even with lover textures quality
Makes me wonder about their tests as 58.78ms is 3.67375 frames at 60FPS... How is that supposed to make sense? How are they getting measurements with sub-framerate accuracy? Even if any system was getting better ms response does it genuinely make any difference if the content updates the same frame as every other device? That said, the PC (did they say Steam Deck) version updates within 2 frames with a 47ms response time without v-sync. Makes me wonder what the response rate is with v-sync like on consoles. Of course, this wasn't compared across other fighting game IP, which I find dubious considering that the only reason to check response time is for competitive crowd and honestly I've never heard of anyone being left out in the cold destined for failure because their HW was one frame slower than their competition (unless that frame took 166 or more ms to arrive than their competition - 12 or more frames longer at 60FPS, but that would mean someone's HW isn't up to the task).
great review. especially the steam deck info. the tsr upscaling tip made a huge difference. sadly using your settings on my (non oled, using proton ge 8-27) steam deck resulted in consistent drops into the 40s or less, especially at the back of complex stages like urban square. just in case others were having the same issues as me, here are the best settings i could come up with to compensate: resolution 1152x720 (really helps) v-sync on variable rate shading on rendering scale 50 (yeah i know...) upscaling tsr anti-aliasing medium shadows low textures high effects low post-processing low backgrounds medium expect to get a stable 55 in almost every situation (i set frame limit to 55 in deck performance settings), and 60 in most stages besides the urbans. might drop 2-5 frames in the far back of urban square day during heavy effects. if you want 60 everywhere, accept the extreme blur/ugliness and drop everything to low. but i feel like this is a good balance where things run acceptably well while still looking kinda pretty (tho a bit blurry obv).
My LCD deck was also having trouble with this video's recommended settings. To think that the OLED could actually have improved this much? Were there other performance tweaks in play on Digital Foundry's Deck? Maybe performance tweaks from ours that could actually be negatively impacting performance? I'm actually trying *disabling* most of the tweaks I've enabled on mine to see if I can attain the performance shown in this video.
I was obsessed with Namco fighting games back in the day. I'm over them now but it's cool to see the series still going strong. Love the new muscle flexing feature. Not a fan of the trend in overdesigning the look of these characters though. I prefer the clean iconic look of the classic characters from the T2-4 era. And why is Law so thiccccc? He's supposed to be Bruce Lee!
Motion blur should have a toggle, the animations look absolutely fluid with it on, i dunno why they INSIST on not including it on the console versions.
Because it uses a lot of recources from the GPU and they would have to lower the res, the current gen consoles are starting to show their age, not a surprise they been on the market for a while now.@@coruviel
Great review and it was nice to feel that you really understand the nuances of fighting games. Super impressed. Great review for great game. Looking forward to playing!!!
The latency they achieved across all versions is a triumph. Tekken 7 had a bad rep on the console as it made some moves impossible to react to due to input latency
Growing up in the 90s and at times comparing GB games vs their SNES counterparts, I appreciate the Steamdeck so much more, playing games on the go at just lower quality is such a great advancement in technology. I cannot wait to see what the Deck 2 will do...
Cool vid but something went wrong with either your HDR capture or conversion in some of this footage. It's really blown out. Check out the jukebox selection screen at 3:19 - the cover artwork highlights have gone nuclear.
Forgot The muscle physics its insane when character do heavy moves or powercrash or electric they're body change veins pop out muscle tightening up skin colour change
I played this on my series x day one for hours and I was just amazed at the visuals! I know my xbox was working overtime cause that air coming off the top was hot hot! 🔥
I am glad that John pointed out the loading time improvement, since it matters a lot for a game like this. Also for racing game like GT, I remembered I just can't put up with the long loading time for GT sport on ps4
I really wanted to get the PC version but the demo had weird graphical bugs on my setup with an RX7800XT. Right after release I saw many reports of crashes and other bugs on PC so I’m glad I opted for PS5. Eventually they will probably fix the bugs at which point I’ll double dip. But I’m having a blast on the PS5 for now.
With two AMD computers in my household. 3700X-6600XT & 5800X-7900XT, I've had no problems with the demo. Since you have a relatively new AMD GPU, make sure you update your GPU drivers.
I wish you guys would take the time to test XESS on an ARC card. I find it incredibly unfair that you test DLSS on Nvidia, FSR on AMD, but not XeSS on Intel, where it works much better
Just picked up the physical disc for PS5 today. I used to love fighting games back in the mid-90s to early 2000s, but haven't really played them much since then. And even then, I mostly played 2D (although I had the first Tekken on the original Playstation). I bought this primarily to mess around with on occasion, and don't have any aspirations of going online or fighting against another human, so the inclusion of all the solo modes, plus the overall generally great reviews the game has been getting, really sealed the deal for me.
Was it mentioned how the controllers were connected for the input latency testing? Bluetooth can add a surprising amount (or at least it did, I don't know about current gen).
Had no idea about the TSR AA. I was using the TAAU on pc demo and felt like something was off so hopefully the TSR will resolve that. Will give it a go later!! Edit: tried it out and yep TSR is a night and day diff.. looks soOoo good. Vastly superior! Thanks guys
For me vsync off and everything else is set to ultra with 100 resolution scale. I have a 4090 though. Game looks good with those settings. Can't quutr tell if AA set to low or ultra looks better.
It's amazing how they provide so many AA/upscaling options but don't include DLAA and UE5's FXAA & AA off option which is more far more relevant & useful than things like "Catmull-Rom Bicubic". For DLAA my reasoning as a UE dev is that it's a seperate plugin from DLSS so it's often an oversight. As for FXAA/no AA it's most likely due to excessive aliasing however from my experiments with the Unreal Engine Unlocker Tool I was able to fix the aliasing with some engine tweaks.
Amazing review, John. I’m also curious about why they haven’t added the motion blur option for consoles. Maybe they'll add it in future patches? Update Sep 2024: They haven't.
Ahhh yes glad the smallest console base even within its own family of consoles has a zoomed in resolution benefit of 100-200p at best, really makes up for the shafting.
It's the same dude with the PS5 version. Whatever very slight difference exists in dynamic resolution won't be noticeable for 99% of the gamers. John mentions that.
Yep, pc all the way for anyone asking which is the best here overall I quite agree. Love the inclusion on all the OST playable to one’s heart content. Bandai Namco did gr8 here. Def a step up compared to its main rival Capcom imho
Steam Deck users beware - Namco in their infinite wisdom decided to keep graphical settings in the cloud. So, you'll have to manually update settings each time you switch between PC and Steam Deck. Very annoying.
i Think that fight from the reveal trailer might look a bit more dramatic in the story mode. also, as soon as i saw the amount of upscaling options, i knew df would have a blast analysing all of them😭😭
i recommend setting effects to low while other settings to high. The effects just add flying rocks, mist and particle effects just clutter the screen. When low, it boosts performance as well.
Thanks for the detailed analysis as usual John, just one thing regarding arcade sticks, any stick that works on PS4 and PC also works on PS5 seamlessly without adapters or anything extra.
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The detail level is so crazy, the menu is just a close up of Kazuya’s body 😂
They really did the arkham knight in menu
TheMainManSWE went crazy haha😂
yeah first kazuya staring at your soul then when you press start and you will stare at kazuya's chest
Kazuya looking SWOL 😮.
Yeah my brother was saying they showing off too much if kazuya 😂
I love that they got Nigel Woodall in on this video. I asked Nigel over twitter a few years ago to test an old game and Nigel did all sorts of testing all just for a thank you. Nigel does so much for input latency testing.
Crazy
Which game?
John now doing recommended Steam Deck settings is the biggest upgrade to this channel ever I love it
The recommended settings didn't net me 60fps so now I've got a ton of troubleshooting to do
@@ThriceGr8 womp womp
This series deserves a DF Retro + Evolution of the series so far
They have one that goes from Tekken through Tekken 7. I believe it’s in the “tech evolution” playlist.
@@dingo535 thanks mate
Never could have imagined games looking this good when I was a kid. I thought tekken 3 looked amazing back then, this is just mind blowing
Tekken 3 was a big leap as well back then. So huhe that they stuck with the same graphics in Tekken tag tournament as well. In the arcades at least.
As someone who played the original Tekken to death thirty years ago....yeah.
Absolutely. I grew out of all these side scroll fighters in favor of games like God of Wars, Spider-Mans, Last of Us, Star Wars Jedi games, Resident Evils, Ghost of Tsushima, Avatar, RDR 1/2, ect ect. Because games today look this good and that is the reason I buy Hardware in the first place And I want that narrative-driven offline awesome gameplay. Games I'm happy to play now later an years later without the Online ball an chain Garbage. Without any of that I would have zero reasons to even be in gaming today and it would save me a whole bunch of money
@@RedPillAlwaysTekken isn't a 2D fighter lmao you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
@@captinsparklezremix It certainly is.
I love how we all benefit from John having a Steam Deck.
Yep, Valve should've sent all the DF team one earlier lol.
We likely would have got more coverage on the Deck with more games.
@@paul1979uk2000 It works out that this OLED version finally came out for him, from hearing what he had to say about the screen used in the LCD Steam Decks, he seemed almost completely disinterested in having one even if it was given to him for free because of how terrible those LCDs were.
OLED too
We don’t, actually. He hasn’t even tried the online modes, which don’t work on Steam Deck.
@@jaspelino1963Proton Experimental Bleeding Edge updated with a fix for that, and Proton Hotfix has that now, which the game uses by default.
Based on what I've played so far, this might wind up being the best Tekken. In a series with some real masterpieces in its lineage.
Did you buy Tekken 8? And what other installments did you also like?
@@qwerttzizzi Yep. 3 and 5 were my favorites, and I spent a ton of time with TTT.
@@ChrisLT I am reentering after T3..couldnt really get into T7
Tekken 7 was amazing but 8 is where they really step up the game and treat it as propoer AAA level.
To me it already is a masterpiece. The battle hub, graphics and story mode are a step up from anything fighting games has to offer as well as the world class tutorial. What sets it apart is the advanced AI tech and the fact it is the best looking fighter to date. This objectively puts it ahead of all others.
This game is a blast. I haven’t played Tekken for a long time and I’m having a lot of fun.
Earlier when I was playing I was so close to my TV cause I was just admiring all the details in this game.
This is how I remembered Tekken 7. Until I've seen the comparisons to Tekken 8. Like wow.
Thats what im saying😂
Love the inclusion of the Steam Deck! It has become my preferred way to play in most cases so I'd love it to be included in tech reviews moving forward!
Me too!
Since the reviewer (John Linneman) now owns an Steam Deck [OLED], we might expect future videos to include Steam Deck.
Steam Deck Oled is the future of gaming
@@ericwilliams8647oh yeah? Then why can't you play this one game I made on my computer 15 years ago and never released on it?
@@ericwilliams8647 Lmao
Please do more "Steam Deck setting for said game" for future videos, it really helps! Thank you DF
I really appreciate you guys testing settings and etc. for Steam Deck too. Thank you ❤❤❤
The game looks incredible.
The same as it was expected on PS5 and XSX but even on the XSS is pretty ok with logical limitations.
The Steam Deck version is very impressive!
Amazing job from Namco.
The input speed is incredible and very noticeable because it requires you to speed up and i couldnt believe it. But its a true arcade game and i love it. It really challenges you to get better and practice. Its chaotic and smooth and i love it
Great to see PC and Steam Deck included. I feel that those platform are an interesting addition as XboxSX and PS5 don't differ that much. Keep it up, John 👍
I used to play Tekken 3. It was such a huge leap when compared to Tekken 2.
Now, in tekken 8, there are more polygons in one of our character's hand than there were total polygons in the entire frame back in Tekken 3.
Jeez, the direct comparison with Tekken 7 is striking. My memory upscales things 😅
Tekken 7 was shown on an old console. Playing it on the PC looks miles better today...close to 8 I would say.
@@zeus1117it’s not lol. It’s sharper of course, but that doesn’t mean it’s close to T8.
The individual muscle deformation is crazy
I disagree - it's scripted and the muscles have visible edges and low res textures
@@turbotrup96 lol it's a game, of course its scripted, everything is scripted. What I think you mean to say is that it's not a true physics simulation, but you have any idea how computational expensive true muscle deformation simulation would be? Ever wondered why we are just starting to see this in games and it hasn't been a standard feature for a long time? Because even faking it is computationaly expensive when we are talking about rendering 60 frames a second, it looks really good, and is still a really impressive achievement.
@@DodgaOfficial There have been games in which body deformation was a thing, and those were on previous generations of consoles, so I'm not that impressed by it.
Too bad all the characters have the exact same bodyu type.
@@turbotrup96you are trying too hard. save some for the next life
This is the perfect selling point for the Steam Deck. The idea that you can play full Tekken at launch, with next gen graphics on a handheld device is amazing to me.
No because the steamdeck is weak. That is the selling point of the more powerful handhelds
@@alumlovescakeno the steam deck is pretty powerful for the price. And the fact that tekken works at launch is amazing. You’re just a hater and if you want to spend more than $400 on a handheld that’s on you
The idea that you can play full Tekken at lunch is amazing to me
@@kickass2733the steam deck oled is $549
At 65% res scale (645p). On low settings. Not that impressive but at least it works. It would be better if it could do natvie but eh.
2:06 wow TTT on the PS2 still looks amazing!!!
Yes but the TTT HD version on PS3 is even much better!
Tekken 8 is the absolute next gen bar for fighting games
Imagine if MK1 was like this, 3D again like MK4, DA, and Deception.
Maybe now is the right time for them to try a 3D MK again since back then 3D was in its early days. But I understand that both Street Fighter and MK would be very hesitant about returning to 3D since going back to 2D is what saved them both as we all know. Tekken of course started as a 3D fighter and it's still basically the same mechanics that worked back when it started so it's like tried and tested. I'd love for MK to try another 3D fighter, they've learnt so much about what makes a good fighter fighting mechanics wise. So maybe now they could do it if they wanted to. sorry for the long message@@DonYoGi8331
it’s the high water mark for sure.
every fighter will be compared to this
Crazy that it works on the Deck at 60fps. That's almost a system seller right there
Someone needs to tell John that he cannot simply open his presentations with such fiery jams, nope, no sir, such a spark awakened my whole soul and took it up to the clouds. Give us an heads up next time bro, and keep rocking 🦾
Thank you so much for the input lag tests, this was very thorough.
Went Xbox and saw the results of this analysis, the Series X has a slight edge in resolution and latency so I'll take it! Also have two Series S' (one in the bedroom and one in the kid's room) so game sharing for the win.
Such a great time for fighting games between this, SF6 and MK1. I still have to try some online matches. Tekken, the Royal Rumble and the NFL playoffs sum up my weekend. Happy gaming everyone!
If i took a drink every time digital foundry recmomends turning on motion blur; i would've died of poisoning
Digital Foundry assumes no responsibility from alcohol poisoning as a result of motion blur recommendations. 😏
@@DigitalFoundry brilliant:’D
On tv or in the game settings?
@@DigitalFoundryhahahaha
on the other hand, some alcohol comes with motion blur enabled@@DigitalFoundry
For the first time ever i can say im getting the PC version...free online also is a big factor.
I actually forgot all about the free online play, is that still a thing where you have to pay on PS and Xbox to play online?
@paul1979uk2000 yupp, and ps just raised their price to 80 dollars a year just to play online. And xbox of course forces you with the gamepass and xbox live bundle.
Yep... Aside from free to play games like Fortnite, you have to pay for ps+ or game pass core to be able to play online. @@paul1979uk2000
@@paul1979uk2000Yep, still is. Really sucks, too.
@@paul1979uk2000still a thing !!?? We just had a massive price hike on PS5. It’s a total frikkin scam.
Put over 3 hours in last night plays like a dream and looks great on Series X.
The first game that finally looks like the Tekken teaser for PS3 from years ago.
Series S really keeping the spirit of last gen alive.
isn't that Dana Red, or maybe even Pink
I have to agree. Sub 720p ain't a good look.
You say the Xbox Series S keeps a last gen alive while it also gives a solid 60 fps framerate and has the best/least amount of latency compared to Xbox series x and PS5.
@@amanpradhan02
The image quality in numerous games is horrendous.
@@amanpradhan02 these people don’t actually understand anything, they just love their narratives.
Thanks for including Steam Deck and input delay, folks! A note for Steam Deck users: currently, Proton players are getting a ton of disconnects in online matches. I'm guessing a patch from Bandai Namco or Valve on either side of the equation will fix it soon, but we don't know for sure.
I really love the Start menu for this game.
I was playing the PC version in 4k, maxed out settings, and the game looks amazing.
I feel like the PC and steam deck version should be included in all DF video's, it is the most different. There's not that much difference between PS and Xbox
Is TSR better than native tho?
@@Nucleosynthese I need to buy a steam deck oled. My only concern is that I won't use it that much.
Tekken always finds ways to push visuals every iteration, love it
Well not quite every iteration.
7 was not groundbreaking and 8 looks like 7 but slightly better
Soul calibur always looked better imo.
@@yobro6053 SC is a little bit more cartoony looking but SC6 looks quite nice and I quite like the realistic but still anime looking designs. I find Tekken 8 characters to look off. Something about the faces in T8 looks uncanny to me
@@alumlovescake soul calibur 4 and 5 were head and shoulders above t6 and tag 2 visually. People may hate on sc5, but the game looked ridiculous for a ps3 fighter
One thing I found crazy about playing Tekken 8’s demo is the fact it has native UltraWide support (at least 21:9). It’s the first fighting game that I can think of that has it.
It's cool that Namco did this. I wish the PC version had some additional graphical enhancements, ultrawide and motion blur are hardly a showcase for the more advanced technology in PC.
5:00 We need that llama as the next DLC character
They might need to work on the animation a bit 😂
Best settings I’ve found for maintaining a mostly consistent 60 fps on Steam Deck (might drop a few frames in the more demanding situations):
-Steam Deck frame rate limit of 60 fps
-Resolution: 800p
-V-sync: off
-Rendering scale: 55
-Upscaling: AMD FSR 1.0
-Texture Quality: Medium
-Post-Processing Quality: Medium
-Remaining settings: Low
Hope this helps anyone struggling at keeping a playable steady FPS.
LCD or OLED Steam Deck?
YES the Input Lag Testing!
With SpecialK you can check the "Force DLAA" option when DLSS is enabled in game -- and the image quality is phenomenal -- *chef's kiss*
Even that’s Series S version is step down from Big Consoles it’s still absolutely gorgeous compared the street fighter 6 port
Im playing it on 50 4K TV with HDR and it’s looks stunning , even with lover textures quality
I agree. I'm using HDMI 2.1 on my G2 OLED and Tekken looks way sharper than SF6 and a lot of other games on Series S.
Frame time graph on was all over the place with the game's built in frame cap with Vsync off. With RTSS enforced 60fps, it was way smoother.
Gotta love seeing Johns old PC setup @3:35 haha
Looks good on xbsx
The alpaca 🦙 approaching Kazuya 😍💗
58ms of input lag with VSync On is insanely good. It’s basically as good as it can get! Very impressive!
Makes me wonder about their tests as 58.78ms is 3.67375 frames at 60FPS... How is that supposed to make sense? How are they getting measurements with sub-framerate accuracy?
Even if any system was getting better ms response does it genuinely make any difference if the content updates the same frame as every other device?
That said, the PC (did they say Steam Deck) version updates within 2 frames with a 47ms response time without v-sync. Makes me wonder what the response rate is with v-sync like on consoles. Of course, this wasn't compared across other fighting game IP, which I find dubious considering that the only reason to check response time is for competitive crowd and honestly I've never heard of anyone being left out in the cold destined for failure because their HW was one frame slower than their competition (unless that frame took 166 or more ms to arrive than their competition - 12 or more frames longer at 60FPS, but that would mean someone's HW isn't up to the task).
The Arcade Stick support is a BIG plus for PC in my opinion.
Agreed I’ve got my pc connected to a custom arcade machine for all my fighting games
“One hell of a PEC’D game”
Haha, nicely done, I love John’s small editing jokes
Thanks, the upscaling options are truely overwhelming. I just went with DLSS Quality at first but TSR 100% looks superb. Now i just need HDR settings
great review. especially the steam deck info. the tsr upscaling tip made a huge difference. sadly using your settings on my (non oled, using proton ge 8-27) steam deck resulted in consistent drops into the 40s or less, especially at the back of complex stages like urban square. just in case others were having the same issues as me, here are the best settings i could come up with to compensate:
resolution 1152x720 (really helps)
v-sync on
variable rate shading on
rendering scale 50 (yeah i know...)
upscaling tsr
anti-aliasing medium
shadows low
textures high
effects low
post-processing low
backgrounds medium
expect to get a stable 55 in almost every situation (i set frame limit to 55 in deck performance settings), and 60 in most stages besides the urbans. might drop 2-5 frames in the far back of urban square day during heavy effects. if you want 60 everywhere, accept the extreme blur/ugliness and drop everything to low. but i feel like this is a good balance where things run acceptably well while still looking kinda pretty (tho a bit blurry obv).
My LCD deck was also having trouble with this video's recommended settings. To think that the OLED could actually have improved this much? Were there other performance tweaks in play on Digital Foundry's Deck? Maybe performance tweaks from ours that could actually be negatively impacting performance? I'm actually trying *disabling* most of the tweaks I've enabled on mine to see if I can attain the performance shown in this video.
Absolutely love how much attention the steam deck gets on this channel. Love that Tekken runs so well on it
I was obsessed with Namco fighting games back in the day. I'm over them now but it's cool to see the series still going strong. Love the new muscle flexing feature. Not a fan of the trend in overdesigning the look of these characters though. I prefer the clean iconic look of the classic characters from the T2-4 era. And why is Law so thiccccc? He's supposed to be Bruce Lee!
PC capture in this video looks way brighter than it should be.
I heard it happens if you capture footage with HDR on
Totally agree that motion blur should be available on consoles! Let’s make sure they know it’s wanted
Motion blur should have a toggle, the animations look absolutely fluid with it on, i dunno why they INSIST on not including it on the console versions.
I thought all console games have motion blur and pc games give the option to turn it off
Because it uses a lot of recources from the GPU and they would have to lower the res, the current gen consoles are starting to show their age, not a surprise they been on the market for a while now.@@coruviel
Great review and it was nice to feel that you really understand the nuances of fighting games. Super impressed. Great review for great game. Looking forward to playing!!!
So nice to see the steam deck settings in the video. Would be awesome if it returned on more video's
The latency they achieved across all versions is a triumph. Tekken 7 had a bad rep on the console as it made some moves impossible to react to due to input latency
Growing up in the 90s and at times comparing GB games vs their SNES counterparts, I appreciate the Steamdeck so much more, playing games on the go at just lower quality is such a great advancement in technology. I cannot wait to see what the Deck 2 will do...
Now we just need to remind Namco about Ridge Racer
Riiiidge Racer!!
Soul Caliber 7
yeah it’s like they’e afraid to revisit their own franchise.
if there’s room for Ace Combat 7 then there ought to be room for new Ridge Racer
When John was showing Jin's model at 3:40 there was a second where I thought John's old desk setup was the actual background render in the game.
latency test is so great for these type of games really enjoyed this deep dive
5:00- llama tryin’ to get his screen time
i only played the demo but that ran quite well on Steam Deck, its way more optimized than im used to for new games
Cool vid but something went wrong with either your HDR capture or conversion in some of this footage. It's really blown out. Check out the jukebox selection screen at 3:19 - the cover artwork highlights have gone nuclear.
Hope you guys cover Infinite Wealth as well.
What a boring video that would be and for only around 70k views it would get wouldn’t be worth it for them
Forgot The muscle physics its insane when character do heavy moves or powercrash or electric they're body change veins pop out muscle tightening up skin colour change
This game is so great, have already played it over 10 hours since releae, I highly suggest you buy it.
12:37 damn that transmission from Lee to Jin was so smooth, awesome.
Loving the steam deck recommendation segment hope you include the steam deck more going forward.
I played this on my series x day one for hours and I was just amazed at the visuals! I know my xbox was working overtime cause that air coming off the top was hot hot! 🔥
Was so hyped for this game..and reading this video title is so satisfying!
This video took a lot of work. I'm super impressed. Amazing work.
So there is no option to disable TAA? Very disappointing.
wow, that intro-logo animation! :D shoutouts to whomever did the gfx for this.
I am glad that John pointed out the loading time improvement, since it matters a lot for a game like this. Also for racing game like GT, I remembered I just can't put up with the long loading time for GT sport on ps4
I really wanted to get the PC version but the demo had weird graphical bugs on my setup with an RX7800XT. Right after release I saw many reports of crashes and other bugs on PC so I’m glad I opted for PS5. Eventually they will probably fix the bugs at which point I’ll double dip. But I’m having a blast on the PS5 for now.
With two AMD computers in my household. 3700X-6600XT & 5800X-7900XT, I've had no problems with the demo. Since you have a relatively new AMD GPU, make sure you update your GPU drivers.
Yeah sounds like AMD driver issues
Awesome vid, John, thank you for that. Wanted info on upscaling prefernces and got it. And having Noodalls do the latency comparison - perfect!
I wish you guys would take the time to test XESS on an ARC card. I find it incredibly unfair that you test DLSS on Nvidia, FSR on AMD, but not XeSS on Intel, where it works much better
Just picked up the physical disc for PS5 today. I used to love fighting games back in the mid-90s to early 2000s, but haven't really played them much since then. And even then, I mostly played 2D (although I had the first Tekken on the original Playstation). I bought this primarily to mess around with on occasion, and don't have any aspirations of going online or fighting against another human, so the inclusion of all the solo modes, plus the overall generally great reviews the game has been getting, really sealed the deal for me.
Was it mentioned how the controllers were connected for the input latency testing? Bluetooth can add a surprising amount (or at least it did, I don't know about current gen).
Pretty cool to see more Steam Deck comparison with the next gen consoles like this one.
Great job with the analysis and video!, however the proposed steamdeck configurations do not work well on the LCD version.
20:27 one hell of a PECKed game
I can't wait to get this game for m6 Xbox Series S
Aside from the high priced dlc content I can't get enough of this game .
Haven't seen any $20 skins yet.
Had no idea about the TSR AA. I was using the TAAU on pc demo and felt like something was off so hopefully the TSR will resolve that. Will give it a go later!! Edit: tried it out and yep TSR is a night and day diff.. looks soOoo good. Vastly superior! Thanks guys
Can you share your other settings that you have with TSR? Like what do you have for background effect, etc.
@@b-41subject57 I have a gsync monitor which I why I have vsync off
For me vsync off and everything else is set to ultra with 100 resolution scale. I have a 4090 though. Game looks good with those settings. Can't quutr tell if AA set to low or ultra looks better.
It's amazing how they provide so many AA/upscaling options but don't include DLAA and UE5's FXAA & AA off option which is more far more relevant & useful than things like "Catmull-Rom Bicubic".
For DLAA my reasoning as a UE dev is that it's a seperate plugin from DLSS so it's often an oversight. As for FXAA/no AA it's most likely due to excessive aliasing however from my experiments with the Unreal Engine Unlocker Tool I was able to fix the aliasing with some engine tweaks.
Impressive the Deck can even hit 60 in this game at all.
Amazing review, John. I’m also curious about why they haven’t added the motion blur option for consoles. Maybe they'll add it in future patches?
Update Sep 2024: They haven't.
Sweet! Will be picking it up on Series X instead my PS5. Thanks for the detailed video as always.❤
really appreciate the inclusion of the steam deck. good to know its playable and the required settings for a smooth 60fps
Great to see Series X getting what looks to be the best console version. Tekken 7 got absolutely shafted on Xbox One.
Ahhh yes glad the smallest console base even within its own family of consoles has a zoomed in resolution benefit of 100-200p at best, really makes up for the shafting.
Yet has all the games you ponie warriors wanna play 😂😂😂@spenny2cents
It's the same dude with the PS5 version.
Whatever very slight difference exists in dynamic resolution won't be noticeable for 99% of the gamers.
John mentions that.
plays amazing, streamed it for 10 hrs yesterday
Yo, what's going on with the gamma levels in that footage of the Windows version? It's completely blown out.
HDR capture
Yep, pc all the way for anyone asking which is the best here overall I quite agree.
Love the inclusion on all the OST playable to one’s heart content.
Bandai Namco did gr8 here. Def a step up compared to its main rival Capcom imho
Steam Deck users beware - Namco in their infinite wisdom decided to keep graphical settings in the cloud. So, you'll have to manually update settings each time you switch between PC and Steam Deck. Very annoying.
Let me just say, its so cool to see a game that just gives you all the options for resolution scaling. This deserves a big shoutout i.m.o.
Why are you not calling out developers for not including taa off?
i Think that fight from the reveal trailer might look a bit more dramatic in the story mode. also, as soon as i saw the amount of upscaling options, i knew df would have a blast analysing all of them😭😭
i recommend setting effects to low while other settings to high. The effects just add flying rocks, mist and particle effects just clutter the screen. When low, it boosts performance as well.
And for someone like me they are a huge distraction as well. Now if they served any gameplay purpose I wouldn't dispense with those.
I recommend putting everything on max.
Thank you so much for the input lag measurement~!!!
Thanks for the detailed analysis as usual John, just one thing regarding arcade sticks, any stick that works on PS4 and PC also works on PS5 seamlessly without adapters or anything extra.