*EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION* The Hitbox / Leverless controllers, Hitbox is indeed a brand name. None of the controllers shown in the video except the Crossup are Hitbox branded, Snackbox, Furin, Victrix etc, are Leverless Controllers. Been asked about this a lot since SF6's launch so... well time to make a video! There is no right or wrong answer really, but that said each controller type certainly has strengths and weaknesses so lets talk about it in this video! You should always go for what you personally prefer, but it never hurts to be armed with some knowledge!
Yeah, I only use analog sticks on my Dualsense Edge controller. It is way better than the pad when you get used to it. Been playing like that since SFIV.
I figured this wouldn't have my specific issue since I take the health of my hands extremely seriously but I use a custom pad with smart keys and some clawsocks so that I can be feather light and precise with my inputs. and one motion input I'm struggling with more than anything is quarter circle motion into DP motion, and as a Juri main that motion is very important to me. I know my situation is very specific but anything helps!
5:19 as a blanka player i remapped parry to triple kick so i can spam blankas foward hop which is TREMENDOUSLY important to blankas screen traveling. For example, 2 hops will NEGATE JP’s zoning and his little rift thing wont even pop, youll be well past them and in his face. It also goes thru one of his ghosts but not all of them
Yeah I do the same. I’m a Irish blanka player and was fairly new to sf but played many nether realm games high level. I think that alone turns his gameplay up by a mile
I've played all 3 for years except for the snackbox micro, which I've only gotten about 2 weeks ago. The snackbox micro is hands down already the best! My execution consistency is already better than with and pad, not to mention I have virtually no user fatigue (which is apparently an exceptional experience). The only difficulty is getting used to the movement, actually. I'm diamond with Chun Li and almost Plat 5 with juri. So, no master yet, but switching to leverless has not taken me 6 months or whatever to get used to. However, I, fortunately, did not have to limit my play time to 15 min at a time. I've never felt any pain and have played with it for hours at a time since the day I got it. Everyone is different though so keep that in mind. One more note the drive rush mechanic was the reason I wanted to switch to leverless and I was correct. It's much easier to land those now
The less stress thing was absolutely my biggest motivation for going leverless, too. There is no way I could play SF6 as much as I have been on a pad or a stick. It didn't take me 6 months either, more like 2-4 weeks. The hardest part for me was the jump button, but once I got over the mental hurdle of the jump button being the lowest button everything else was pretty easy to adapt to.
If your on PC, Keyboard isn't a bad option. Works just like a leverless controller does and you have enough keys to map what ever scheme you want. I personally use the num pad for atttacks and asd keys and space for movement.
I do that too! I have di mapped to + so my pinky is always on it (kind of convenient that it’s such a big button) and the down arrow for parry so my right thumb is always on it
@@elzilcho222 I've got parry mapped to + and DI on 0 since my thumb rest on it. So, our schemes are pretty similar. I also have 7 & 9 set up as EX buttons cause I'm weird like that.
I will always dig the leverless controllers just due to the fact that I play a lot of piano and its a fun controller to use. I have both the Hitbox and the snackbox micro xl and love them both.
I bought a leverless, only because I play everything on PC, and I'm very used to play on keyboard, so pad felt weird... Having a lot of fun with my choice =]
started with stick myself, it super fun but i was bad n not getting better with it i tried keyboard n it felt so much better, i ordered a flatbox same night now i only use my flatbox, was 70$ cad but it works amazingly n makes game feel alot better. defs recommend if pad/stick isnt vibing for you
I'm not a pianist but I do type an awful lot and am pretty good at it. I do wonder if that translated into learning hitbox easier. Never struggled with the inputs people say are harder on hitbox. Except 720s.
the newest xbox controller, the xbox series X, has such an amazing dpad imo. its got very good tactile responses where u can hear the click and feel it on each direction. And, its like the old sega controlers with grooves in the diagonals.
I bought one for PC (shmups) prior to getting an Xbox and words cannot describe how much I love it. I'm weird; I love the clicking of the d-pad but moreso I really like that I don't need muscle memory to know if I did a diagonal.
Didn't expect this video to answer some of my recent issues with doing 360 motions, but thanks a lot for explaining how those work. I'm playing leverless and have indeed just been doing the motion too fast. Just knowing that should help a lot with future consistency on those moves.
Thanks for mentioning the thumb travel on pad. That was one of my biggest gripes too. Also, I tried to play lily on leverless and ended up just using stick because I kept missing cardinal directions. It's super annoying when you get a jump by mistake. Half circles in GG also required cardinal directions making leverless more of a pain because most characters used half circles. Overall I think stick is the best when it comes to playing all different kinds of fighting games though.
I was actually inspired by your *Rooflebox* to develop my own custom leverless controller with its own unique button layout. I'll be putting it together next week, so wish me luck! I decided to go leverless because I'm too imprecise with both the pad and the stick for directional inputs (I need that instant Cammy dive kick). Since I work typing all day long, though, I'm good with buttons that just need pushing. A good ole fashioned keyboard can just as good as a leverless controller (and even more comfortable if you go the ergonomic route) but my GPU's old and so I play on PS5. It's a shame SF6 doesn't natively support keyboards on it, and that Sony's support for keyboards and wireless peripherals in general is somewhat lacking.
I went from gamepad to keyboard 3 weeks ago, now it's way easier to do motion or even charge inputs. It was easy for me on the left hand side cause I have thousands of hours playing shooters, right hand side took me getting used to but now it's all good. I'm planning to get a hitbox style latter but for now keyboard is plenty good.
Sliding your index finger across the directional buttons is the most consistent way to do an spd. I mained lily on the snackbox week 1 and almost never missed a 360
A tip for doing 360s on leverless, you can slide your finger on the directions of the left hand and then do up + P/K with the right hand. Since you are using only 1 finger in the left hand is guaranteed to avoid diagonals
I personally use the fightstick. A few month ago I bought a hitbox and I do like it but honestly, I prefer the regular fightstick. Still nice to have tho. Great to have when friends come over and they forget their sticks. I can let them use mine and use the hitbox.
A disadvantage I've found for gamepads is the bumper buttons aren't really geared for fighting games. This is coming from a PS4 controller, but I've found that pressing HK + any other button for stuff like OD can be awkward for timing because you have to press HK AFTER the other kick button. Now this normally isn't an issue for some characters, but if you play characters like Juri where you HAVE to press HK for the OD version of a move, then finding that sweetspot can be finnicky. However, the advantage is you can map button inputs to L3 and R3. Don't want to press all three punch buttons for Yoga Teleport? Map it to a button. Want an OD button? Go for it. Want to taunt? I don't see why not. Also, thank you for the tip about using charge characters. Might make my inputs more precise.
For me, the biggset disadvantage is that you only use 1 finger for all directional inputs, so you have to move it. And you have to switch back and forward, like, a lot. It' just impossible to keep the same pace as with leverless (or keyboard) - not to mention the precision.
Keyboard! Or I guess whatever you have that's convenient and you enjoy. I wish I enjoyed standard controller play because that's usually the most convenient and portable between platforms.
@@ItslewcarioI tried the pad, but when it comes to street fighter I am so used to a stick. I even bought a Hori fightpad as I could not play it it on a PS4 controller. And yes, the drive rush is hard on stick because you have to really make sure that you are precise with the dashes.
@@zeo5008 same I had the octa for its octagonal gate since I’m a analog user and I just wanted to try stick. I got the octagonal gate and was using it until 2 days ago when I finally modded my stick and decided Square is more suited for charge characters. (I main Guile) so I’m slowly but surely getting better
I have seen a few comments already, but in my community (which has a ton of musicians) they all prefer leverless. They say it feels the most rhythmic and instrument-like. I play piano and agree, there are some parallels.
Leverless is very similar to playing on keyboard. In fact some of the leverless controllers actually use actual switches that are found in keyboards and you can even swap out other types of switches in some of them which is nice since keyboard switches can come in many many different flavors but the big 3 are linear, tactile and clicky switches with varying switches for each of those 3. I do find it weird how some of these leverless controllers cost $200-$300 when they're essentially just keyboards but with less switches lol
My HP button on my Qanba Crystal recently gave out and I've despaired over the thought of returning to pad... this video has motivated me to jump back in and learn it already. Thanks as always for the killer content roofle ❤
I really like that you put up the pros and cons of each type. i tried all three, and where i really like the movement of my character on a leverless controller, i massivly prefer the button layout on gamepad. im also really happy with the options that SF6 is giving me with controls. at the moment im still using modern, but at some point io wanna swap to classic just because it feels like i have more control over my character.
I'm a stick player but my right hand is slower and more often in pain, so I bought a leverless controller and I'm having so much fun. Takes time to fully get used to, but boy is it great to finally be able to dash or Drive Rush properly.
Just curious how would a leverless be any better for right hand pain? It's pretty much the same for your right hand for both stick and leverless right?
The difference in price is pretty shocking. Most pads are around $80. But most leverless and sticks start around $200. So that is something to consider.
Everybody sleeping on good ol' keyboards. Got a 20$ Logitech keyboard here which is basically a Hitbox but with infinitely more customization options...
@@caspertrog1046iono hopefully that 20 dollars keyboard has anti ghosting. And also (as a tfh player, we compete on pc) keyboards are banned on most live tournaments to prevent both players wanting to be on keyboard… so that’s one consideration to upgrade to a leverless, particularly a wasd style popularized by mixbox
@martingutierrez694I wore out a dualshock4 D-Pad in a week. Now it wasn't busted. You can still play with it on every game. But it's no longer reliable for competition.
I got the hori octa and honestly i love it. I hated the ps5 controllers d pad and how it felt so i got the hori and i have been having a lot less miss inputs. I kinda wanna get an arcade stick soon just cause the look like a lot of fun to use and i am open to any reccomendations to ones i can get.☺️
I have a modified Mayflash F300. I switched out the stick and buttons. My biggest complaint is that because it's so light, it does not stay in place very well. Get one with some decent weight, and you'll be fine.
If you're playing on PC, the 8bitdo stick is really nice and quite affordable compared to most others. It can be used wired or wireless (bluetooth or with the included 2.4g dongle), is easily moddable if you want to swap out parts, has a good amount of heft so it won't slide around on your lap, and it has that old NES style aesthetic (subjective, but I LOVE it). You can reprogram any of the buttons using their app and have several profiles set up on it at once
Check this out. Started playing on Mouse and Keyboard. Left hand: middle of keyboard, left thumb alt - parry, left thumb spacebar - jump, pointer finger, middle, ring k, j ,h - left right down. pinky on v for drive impact. Right hand on mouse: left click - jab, right click - light kick. Press both mouse buttons to grab. 2 side mouse buttons - medium kick and medium punch. Mouse scroll wheel up - heavy punch, mouse scroll down - sweep. Try it out if your on PC. Scroll wheel is only weird part. Fingers only have to move for scroll wheel heavies and thumb moves from alt and space for parry or jump.
I bought a nice arcade stick to try with fighting games, but I can't get over how much quicker a dpad feels to me for inputs. I'm sure it's something I could practice for months and get better with, but the super short travel of my thumb seems so much simpler and easier than using more of a wrist grip movement for a stick. I did get a Hori Octa PS5 controller though which I mostly prefer over a PS5 DualShock however both are definitely usable and good enough for me.
Rob under me mentioned it already, but I'll reiterate that sliding a finger across the directional buttons on a leverless controller with your left hand, and using your thumb and a finger to hit Up + P is a shortcut for an SPD motion. It can get a little rough on your wrist if you're going for it a lot every game, but it's very consistent. It completely changed my game with Zangief.
IMO the only reason it hurts is because leverless didn't take the lessons of keyboard ergonomics. They just took the stick out of arcade sticks and shoved buttons in.
Ive been using pads all my life, I recently switched to fight stick and I love it. My inputs are so much cleaner. I will get a snackbox micro soon just to test it out and judge for myself.
I grew up playing fighting games at home more often than at the arcades. So after all this time, I still stick with Pads, never tried investing into Sticks or Leverless. It was tricky to play a 6-button fighter with this since 2 of 'em need to be in the shoulder buttons, but thankfully my time playing these game this way has prepared me for SF6. Additionally, using the left shoulder buttons as macros, especially for Drive Impact, helps tremendously. ^^
I'm looking forward to when your box goes up for sale. I was thinking of designing a leverless myself, but I don't mind rocking the stick a little longer
As an oldman I always will love playing fighting games with a stick. Around SFV it seemed like we were seeing less and less of sticks in majors and more boring PS4 pads. Don't get me wrong, the Dualshock 4 was a fantastic controller for SFV and other fighting games, but I like that arcadey presentation and player expression we get from sticks and hitboxes. I was so happy seeing so many people on Twitter talking about getting their first stick for SF6. I attribute that a lot to the downgrade that is the PS5 controller, even though the Modern control scheme mitigates that.
Sorry to break it to you grandpa but people would much rather use newer conttollers and shave off the time it takes to perform certain things than keep playing on stick because "muh arcade nostalgiuh"
@@ntwrk56I’m a grandpa then cuz I decided to pursue stick after playing pad since I was smol. The satisfaction of feeling the stick snap and inputs gives me dopamine. It’s just a preference tho, I told my self I’d practice stick and controller and be a hybrid player
I use the Hori Fighting Commander Octa for SF6. I don't like it. I regularly drop combos and jump when I don't intend to. For SFV I used FC4 and didn't have issues. I ordered a leverless controller not too long ago. Looking forward to trying that out.
I use this this controller and really like it. Any dropped combos I have usually feel like an online thing or sloppy inputs. As far as game pad goes I prefer it over the standard ps5. I do hate how the stick has an L3 and there is a separate button for it. I tend get a little rough with the stick during play so the L3 gets pressed naturally which means I can’t rebind a button like grab, parry, or ex to it.
@@bbyjohn11 I've realized I could actually program this controller. After adjusting the d'pad sensitivity, my inputs have been way more precise. No unintended jumps and very few dropped combos. I wish I did this a long time ago. I dislike this controller much less now. 😅 I agree about the L3 on the stick. It would have been great if they didn't make the L3 on two buttons or at least it would have been nice if you were allowed to turn off the L3 on the stick.
I've just switched over to leverless, and it's amazing. 👍 So much more ergonomic than my DualSense or my Hori FS3. I have to rewire my brain because my left hand is used to manipulating a joystick rather than buttons but the more I practice, the less I have to actively think about it. It's like learning touch typing on a keyboard. Yes, leverless is more expensive, but my Razer Kitsune was just a tiny bit more expensive than upgrading to a Nacon Daija and as I already have a Hori FS3 and not much room to store a large controller, the Kitsune was a no-brainer for the PS5.
I use the Qanba pearl for Street Fighter 6 but I'm selling it to get the Qanba Titan. The Titans extra space between the stick and buttons look comfy and the viewlix layout seems better for the way I play with the stick on my lap.
Unreal been watching this guy for what seems like years and I'm still learning new things I've yet to ever learn b4 now the only thing you can do about that is respect it so much so I had to give it a like its so damn respectable 😂
I was always bad on stick at the arcades, pad was the way until i discovered leverless controllers. I love leverless controllers, my inputs are so easy now. No accidently jumping lol
If you are going to go Leverless, I would recommend all your Buttons to be Keyboard Switches for your Buttons. I find them more accurate with your Inputs than like using traditional Arcade Buttons for your Directional Buttons. I recommend MX Cherry Speed Silver Switches for all your Buttons. So if your not liking your Leverless as much, that might be the reasons why.
I've played on all three: first pad, then stick and now leverless. I do like the feel of the arcade stick lever, but hands down my go to is leverless! On pad my thumbs would hurt after a while and my hands would cramp up, while on stick my wrist would get tired. But on leverless I don't feel any fatigue and can play for longer sessions
Rooflemonger, I tried to find any way I could to input a 360 on leverless, but I ended up settling on the slide input, where you just slide a single finger across the direction buttons and hit up+punch with the right hand. It's much more consistent, but I really only need it for SF6. Skullgirls and Strive don't care if I'm sloppy with my 360 inputs.
Many people tout how much easier hitbox/levelless controller are on their body. While I agree that is true in general, I have tennis elbow affecting my left arm/hand. Using my leverless controller aggravates my tendonitis (tennis elbow) while my fightstick does not, so I have to limit my play sessions. Note: I am sticking with leverless controllers moving forward, but I have to pay attention to my body with stretching, massage, and time limitations.
always been a pad player, but now with SF6, I have a very strong urge to switch to an arcade stick/hitbox... I wanna pick hitbox because of all the shortcuts and stuff, but a part of me wants a traditional fight stick because I always wanted one.
@@kimchinoodle3640 you're making my decision easier 😮💨 can I ask which one you went with? (kinda need one that works on ps5 since its what used in most tournaments)
@@IRahkuBz wow haha same boat again!! Needed one to work for my PS5 and PC. Hori fight stick Alpha is what I got, about the same price as an elite Xbox or Playstation Edge pad. All the buttons are swappable and so is the switch for when the time comes to replace things! Enjoy
I feel I have a much more important question; what fabric are Manon and Chun-Li's shorts and leggings made from? That stuff does not behave like anything I've ever encountered in the real world. >.>
You could add Fightpad. They sre controllers but the Dpad can be a lot better than ps5 and can be a crlircular dpad. 6 face buttons is a positive with 4 triggers left for PPP, KKK, drive impact and parry.
honestly I have used many specialty fightpads in the past and all the ones I have used are of very poor quality. I have had 3 different ones, and all 3 broke in under 100 hours of use.
@@rooflemonger Very true. But still 80 to 100 hours is still worth it to me when they are 60 dollars or less. On PS4 the Dual shock 4 was good enough for fighting games but the Dual Sense on PS 5 makes me miss too many inputs with the Dpad and it is very uncomfortable.
@@rooflemonger I've been buying Fightpads for all my systems for years. None of them have given me any trouble,and I've been given them quite a workout too!!!
I can vouch for fight pads. I'm using the Octa now, but I've had hori fighting commander, and multiple mad catz fight pads. Some early SF ones were definitely not that durable, but The WWE all stars fightpad is GOATED!
I have a victrix pro-fs12 , leverless controller. I'll never go back. Used to play stick, went from gold 1 to Plat 2 within 4 days of practice. Leverless goated.
I use a Horipad. Specifically for the Switch(but use it on PC), it's great. The pad is much better than the terrible arrows just laying there without "connection" in most controlles
there's also the L3 and R3 button on the pad (pressing the analog sticks). so you have more buttons than an arcade stick and a baseline leverless. maybe that's the reason i'm seeing some leverless with 10 buttons that are still legal (if i recall correctly, it's Gachikun's) thanks for the heads up for 360 on leverless! i've been trying to do piledriver on keyboard. on world tour mode, i have both Manon's half circle grab and Gief's SPD equipped. i did the inputs by going half circle then up + punch together but i seem to get Manon's more often than Gief's (or just whiffed jabs if i'm doing the half circle the other way). i am probably doing it too fast as you mentioned. down up charge has also been a minor beef for me. never seem to be able to do that consistently. the minigames in World Tour has been helping me a lot with practising the inputs in a safe yet not boring environment.
I use the sticks on my controller for playing... HOWEVER, I jump on the pad when I need to input the DOWN DOWN + P/K for Amnesia. So it has a major advantage for some characters.
10:21 About that disadvantage that arcade sticks and maybe also hitbox controllers have to play SF6 as comfortably as possible, not many talk about how you can make your life easier by remapping the punch buttons from the row of the triangle button and the kicks to starting from row of the circle button. This way you leave the square and X button available for the Drive Impact/Drive Parry macros. I usually remap the square button to use it as the Drive Parry and the X to use it as the Drive impact button, which I usually press with my thumb, much more comfortable. This has a major drawback, especially for the arcade sticks that have been sold all this time on the market, which use the Sega Astro City/Namco Noir button layout, which have practically become obsolete due to how uncomfortable they are for play Street Fighter 6. In this sense, the Vewlix button layout is the best suited to play SF6 comfortably, remapping the buttons without the need to modify the entire arcade stick.
same age same story and same reason just got myself a fight box and my wrists have thanked me for the change arcade stick will always hold a special place and i can still use it for fun but the hitbox, fight box, snack box, whatever your preference there just so much more relaxing and accurate its hard not to love them i was on the fence but dropped 220 on fight box ps5 compatible and i hated it for first week but stuck with it and now i love it. but i think all three have plus and minus charge characters and 360 i prefer stick shotos and mixed i think hitbox is better for so many reason might have to do this video myself i have had one planned for a while with my thoughts but this is a great bit of content matey !!!
Mr Rooflemonger, could you please consider doing a guide on the snackbox for beginners? Also thanks much for putting me on to them, as a boomer gamer its going to be a lot more comfortable for me to get my teeth into SF6 ❤
I never knew that you could take your finger off back and press forward punch I’ve been sliding my finger and it hurts a lot thanks for letting me know that
If you want to be "top" but not professional competitive, go for the cheat box, it's a reality it has shortcut advantages...now it is legal, also you can use modern control + hitbox and be an online king ....
What i do with my stick (only on 6 button fighters) is i move my hand down an entire row and remap the buttons. So i can use my thumb to hit the left buttons😊
I dunno who needs to hear this but there is a guy on etsy that creates his own homemade hitbox and mixboxes called vsfighter boards. I've purchased one from him for 130 and when I had issues with it I reached out to him on insta and he actually worked with me and even sent me a new prototype to test! All in all what I'm saying is there are cheap alternatives out there and I gotta shout him out cause he has changed my FG experience vastly. I can't express enough how powerful mixbox is!
I will forever play MOST fighters with stick, it's what I've been playing since kof95 in the arcade, and has never changed. Funny, I once tried controller for umvc3 after playing a year of it on stick, after a few weeks I still cannot do a basic combo, the muscle memory is so heavily ingrained in me that I don't ever think I can play controller ever again
This is obviously a preference for everyone, but as a semi casual fg player who only plays SF I've always just stuck to the pad, because that's the cheapest option. But 150-300 euro on a hitbox I would never see myself spending for something that I don't even play daily. I've been using the DS4 since SFV launched in 2016 and I only had to change it once, because the Dpad stopped working from so much usage (I went a bit hard on SFV in it's first year).
I have all the controllers and I really love playing stick and leverless, but I play SSBM which is already pretty bad on my hands, so I've been sticking with leverless for the most part in fighting games nowadays.
Have all three types. Controller didn’t work out because of my hand and wrist strain. Used hitbox for SF5 but I feel I get better execution with stick for SF6. Go figure.
I spent too much time in the 90's playing SF2 and other fighting games on snes, so I'll always be a pad player when it comes to 2d games. The pad I like to use is the 8bitdo m30, it's a homage to the sega 6 button controller, it has 6 buttons on it's face and 2 shoulder buttons, retrobit also makes nice replica genesis and saturn controllers that are good too if you want a controller with 6 buttons on the face and that sweet sega d-pad. These pads are easy on the wallet too.
Used to have a fight stick back in the SFIV days, picked up SF6 and been going back and forth on stick and pad. My biggest issues with pad are what you mentioned (the squishy thumb going between different directions) and thumb pain😅. I know I can fix the first issue with better awareness of lifting my thumb and the second issue can be fixed by not pressing so hard, but both are habits that are hard to break. That would take some time and dedication to get those habits out of my hands, time idk if I want to spend because ultimately i'm not trying to go pro, this is purely for fun, so right now I'm leaning towards stick.
Yeah I feel like an underrated aspect of stick is just how comfortable and natural all motions feel. Even if pad was advantageous it's just so unpleasant compared to an arcade stick. Heck the only reason pad is even in the discussion is because they've added input shortcuts over the years. Remove the software tool assist and pads would be back to trash tier (as would hitbox) just like it was in the original golden age
I’m planning to build an all buttons controller within the next few months, but in the meantime I picked up a hori fighting commander pad (the newer octa one), and while it’s taking some serious getting used to, it’s starting to feel pretty good after nearly a week of use. The dpad is stiffer than I’d like, but the buttons are quite nice - if the dpad were more like the xbox series controller, this would be maybe the best 6 face button alternative to the stock xbox controller, but the dpad on the series controller is actually pretty darn good. Still, I’m 45 and even though I’m an old head, I want to play fighting games as far into the future as possible, and pads and sticks are just too hard on the hands/wrists, so just like Rooflemonger, the obvious solution is leverless. If it ends up being a bit faster as a side benefit, well hey, I need all the help I can get in my practically geriatric state or I’ll be hard stuck at platinum rank for the life of SF6 😂
All button ( hitbox) is the best since it's faster to block and more precise. Drive Dashing is also very important and it's also faster on the hitbox. The only advantage arcade stick has is in KOF games for different types of jumps
If Mena can win two Capcom cups with pad then pad is good enough for me. Also I bought the Hori Commander Iacta for the extra buttons, flat shoulder buttons and better dpad. ( I dont use claw style)
I play zangief with hitbox and for 360 motions, I do the slide method. With your index finger of left hand, start by pressing right, and slide across the down and left button. and with my right hand i press jump with my punch/kick. I don't think ill be able to do it any other way.
I bought an arcade stick and I’m trying to learn because it’s fun but it’s hard to give up the benefit of always having a finger on the di button with a game pad.
You were me 2 weeks ago. Now i am confident I’m better on stick. Stay with it brotha I’m believe in you. Trust me you’ll definitely get wanna give up but trust the process
@@bbyjohn11 yea I felt it.. I decided too stick with the default scheme. I think my issue was that I’m used too only using my pointer.. It’s really muscle memory tbh. Now my DI with my pinkie is on par with my controller bind if not better. Just gotta keep practicing budday
For me, I've always been a pad player (I hadn't played fighting games for real since my teens). When I first picked up this game, the first fighting game in, well, maybe ever that I really wanted to devote myself to learning and getting good at, I was using the PS5 controller (I'm PC). And man, it was awful. I couldn't reliably do most moves (I'm learning Cammy). Then one evening I remembered that I had gotten an 8BitDo Xbox Controller last year, specifically because it was touted to have one of the best D-Pads. So I swapped to it, and suddenly, bam. Everything I was struggling with I was nailing without issue (mainly trying to do a damn Cannon Dive). Haven't looked back. Though I also picked up a Snackbox on Roofle's recommendation, and, man, that is WEIRD. I'm practicing with it on the side, but it feels like it's going to take me months to get my fingers and brain to understand it.
only thing i find with the whole shoulder button parry/DI point is when youre in your mid tier phase its WAY to easy to rely on and get punished for BECAUSE its one button, one whole button less to realize this is a bad idea lol
great video! I think the only thing to add are six buttons pads. I use one myself and there are definitely more advantages to using them relative to a normal ps5 pad as well as them being a nice price compared to sticks and hitboxes. Otherwise loved the video!
*EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION* The Hitbox / Leverless controllers, Hitbox is indeed a brand name. None of the controllers shown in the video except the Crossup are Hitbox branded, Snackbox, Furin, Victrix etc, are Leverless Controllers.
Been asked about this a lot since SF6's launch so... well time to make a video! There is no right or wrong answer really, but that said each controller type certainly has strengths and weaknesses so lets talk about it in this video! You should always go for what you personally prefer, but it never hurts to be armed with some knowledge!
hori or razer 6 face button controllers are superior to ps5 fight pad
Yeah, I only use analog sticks on my Dualsense Edge controller. It is way better than the pad when you get used to it. Been playing like that since SFIV.
I figured this wouldn't have my specific issue since I take the health of my hands extremely seriously but I use a custom pad with smart keys and some clawsocks so that I can be feather light and precise with my inputs. and one motion input I'm struggling with more than anything is quarter circle motion into DP motion, and as a Juri main that motion is very important to me. I know my situation is very specific but anything helps!
@@ekeclout3941when you do qcf do you keep your finger on forward? You could do that, or even hold up-forward to avoid some overlap
@@malcovich_games I've figured out it's a timing issue, and I still don't have it down but I'm practicing.
Inb4 "the best controller is the one you have/use"
fr... the snackbox is always oos 😢
the best controller is the rooflebox™ on sale soon
The best controller is the friends you made along the way
Just started using my phone via steamlink thanks for the advice
@@harrylane4that would make for a good video or like using joycons or snes controller to play sf6
5:19 as a blanka player i remapped parry to triple kick so i can spam blankas foward hop which is TREMENDOUSLY important to blankas screen traveling. For example, 2 hops will NEGATE JP’s zoning and his little rift thing wont even pop, youll be well past them and in his face. It also goes thru one of his ghosts but not all of them
Yeah I do the same. I’m a Irish blanka player and was fairly new to sf but played many nether realm games high level. I think that alone turns his gameplay up by a mile
I remapped R3 to be KKK and it does wonders whenever I play Blanka or Sim
@@soulwarrior5791 like clicking the r3 button down or does it work w just a regular motion
@@battlericky17 Just click the button, no need to swing it around
@@soulwarrior5791 🤝🤝🤝 ty for that
I've played all 3 for years except for the snackbox micro, which I've only gotten about 2 weeks ago. The snackbox micro is hands down already the best! My execution consistency is already better than with and pad, not to mention I have virtually no user fatigue (which is apparently an exceptional experience). The only difficulty is getting used to the movement, actually. I'm diamond with Chun Li and almost Plat 5 with juri. So, no master yet, but switching to leverless has not taken me 6 months or whatever to get used to. However, I, fortunately, did not have to limit my play time to 15 min at a time. I've never felt any pain and have played with it for hours at a time since the day I got it. Everyone is different though so keep that in mind.
One more note the drive rush mechanic was the reason I wanted to switch to leverless and I was correct. It's much easier to land those now
The less stress thing was absolutely my biggest motivation for going leverless, too. There is no way I could play SF6 as much as I have been on a pad or a stick. It didn't take me 6 months either, more like 2-4 weeks. The hardest part for me was the jump button, but once I got over the mental hurdle of the jump button being the lowest button everything else was pretty easy to adapt to.
If your on PC, Keyboard isn't a bad option. Works just like a leverless controller does and you have enough keys to map what ever scheme you want. I personally use the num pad for atttacks and asd keys and space for movement.
I do that too! I have di mapped to + so my pinky is always on it (kind of convenient that it’s such a big button) and the down arrow for parry so my right thumb is always on it
Me too. but my L/M/H is on Del/End/PageDown, DI on rCtrl, Assist on 7, Special on Home, parry on INS
@@ruudyghyou basically have the same setup I have but I play on classic. Right control for DI on thumb is so elite!
@@elzilcho222 I've got parry mapped to + and DI on 0 since my thumb rest on it. So, our schemes are pretty similar. I also have 7 & 9 set up as EX buttons cause I'm weird like that.
Arcade sticks are for old people now?! Wtf? 😂
I will always dig the leverless controllers just due to the fact that I play a lot of piano and its a fun controller to use. I have both the Hitbox and the snackbox micro xl and love them both.
I bought a leverless, only because I play everything on PC, and I'm very used to play on keyboard, so pad felt weird... Having a lot of fun with my choice =]
I’m a pianist as well. I started on stick on 6 release and have been having a blast
started with stick myself, it super fun but i was bad n not getting better with it
i tried keyboard n it felt so much better, i ordered a flatbox same night
now i only use my flatbox, was 70$ cad but it works amazingly n makes game feel alot better. defs recommend if pad/stick isnt vibing for you
I'm not a pianist but I do type an awful lot and am pretty good at it. I do wonder if that translated into learning hitbox easier. Never struggled with the inputs people say are harder on hitbox. Except 720s.
@@G0rgar To me it felt more comfortable, and I really liked it
the newest xbox controller, the xbox series X, has such an amazing dpad imo. its got very good tactile responses where u can hear the click and feel it on each direction. And, its like the old sega controlers with grooves in the diagonals.
Facts
I don't even own an Xbox, but I got one of these for my PC, and it quickly became one of all all time favorite controllers.
@@foxstomp4016 yeah same, i have it for my pc. great Dpad for fighting games and great sticks for rocket league.
That's what I use too. Love that D-pad.
I bought one for PC (shmups) prior to getting an Xbox and words cannot describe how much I love it. I'm weird; I love the clicking of the d-pad but moreso I really like that I don't need muscle memory to know if I did a diagonal.
Didn't expect this video to answer some of my recent issues with doing 360 motions, but thanks a lot for explaining how those work. I'm playing leverless and have indeed just been doing the motion too fast. Just knowing that should help a lot with future consistency on those moves.
Thanks for mentioning the thumb travel on pad. That was one of my biggest gripes too. Also, I tried to play lily on leverless and ended up just using stick because I kept missing cardinal directions. It's super annoying when you get a jump by mistake. Half circles in GG also required cardinal directions making leverless more of a pain because most characters used half circles. Overall I think stick is the best when it comes to playing all different kinds of fighting games though.
Even in gg you can plink half circles on leverlessy guy
360s are only fucky because if you go too fast itll misread the inputs
I was actually inspired by your *Rooflebox* to develop my own custom leverless controller with its own unique button layout. I'll be putting it together next week, so wish me luck! I decided to go leverless because I'm too imprecise with both the pad and the stick for directional inputs (I need that instant Cammy dive kick).
Since I work typing all day long, though, I'm good with buttons that just need pushing. A good ole fashioned keyboard can just as good as a leverless controller (and even more comfortable if you go the ergonomic route) but my GPU's old and so I play on PS5.
It's a shame SF6 doesn't natively support keyboards on it, and that Sony's support for keyboards and wireless peripherals in general is somewhat lacking.
I went from gamepad to keyboard 3 weeks ago, now it's way easier to do motion or even charge inputs. It was easy for me on the left hand side cause I have thousands of hours playing shooters, right hand side took me getting used to but now it's all good.
I'm planning to get a hitbox style latter but for now keyboard is plenty good.
Sliding your index finger across the directional buttons is the most consistent way to do an spd. I mained lily on the snackbox week 1 and almost never missed a 360
A tip for doing 360s on leverless, you can slide your finger on the directions of the left hand and then do up + P/K with the right hand. Since you are using only 1 finger in the left hand is guaranteed to avoid diagonals
I personally use the fightstick. A few month ago I bought a hitbox and I do like it but honestly, I prefer the regular fightstick. Still nice to have tho. Great to have when friends come over and they forget their sticks. I can let them use mine and use the hitbox.
I just got a leverless last week and my game has 100% improved. I very rarely get missed inputs now compared to stixk
Which one did you get ?
@@MrCupcakes85 I got a snack box micro xl first and did not like it. So I decided on the Victrix pro
I've ordered a Furin leverless (some time before this video came out)... can't wait for it to arrive!
A disadvantage I've found for gamepads is the bumper buttons aren't really geared for fighting games. This is coming from a PS4 controller, but I've found that pressing HK + any other button for stuff like OD can be awkward for timing because you have to press HK AFTER the other kick button. Now this normally isn't an issue for some characters, but if you play characters like Juri where you HAVE to press HK for the OD version of a move, then finding that sweetspot can be finnicky.
However, the advantage is you can map button inputs to L3 and R3. Don't want to press all three punch buttons for Yoga Teleport? Map it to a button. Want an OD button? Go for it. Want to taunt? I don't see why not.
Also, thank you for the tip about using charge characters. Might make my inputs more precise.
For me, the biggset disadvantage is that you only use 1 finger for all directional inputs, so you have to move it. And you have to switch back and forward, like, a lot. It' just impossible to keep the same pace as with leverless (or keyboard) - not to mention the precision.
Keyboard! Or I guess whatever you have that's convenient and you enjoy. I wish I enjoyed standard controller play because that's usually the most convenient and portable between platforms.
Fellow keyboard enjoyer
@@rigelseybert9406 fellow brokegang 🤣I made it to Master rank using kb tho!
Honestly, as a stick player, I have realized that this game might be easier on pad, especially when doing a drive rush.
Yea coming from pad and switching to stick. DR is definitely my biggest flaw. I’m getting better but it’s a learning curve for me
@@ItslewcarioI tried the pad, but when it comes to street fighter I am so used to a stick. I even bought a Hori fightpad as I could not play it it on a PS4 controller. And yes, the drive rush is hard on stick because you have to really make sure that you are precise with the dashes.
@@zeo5008 same I had the octa for its octagonal gate since I’m a analog user and I just wanted to try stick. I got the octagonal gate and was using it until 2 days ago when I finally modded my stick and decided Square is more suited for charge characters. (I main Guile) so I’m slowly but surely getting better
I have seen a few comments already, but in my community (which has a ton of musicians) they all prefer leverless. They say it feels the most rhythmic and instrument-like. I play piano and agree, there are some parallels.
Damn can’t believe he didn’t mention my favorite and most widely available leverless controller, the keyboard
Leverless is very similar to playing on keyboard. In fact some of the leverless controllers actually use actual switches that are found in keyboards and you can even swap out other types of switches in some of them which is nice since keyboard switches can come in many many different flavors but the big 3 are linear, tactile and clicky switches with varying switches for each of those 3. I do find it weird how some of these leverless controllers cost $200-$300 when they're essentially just keyboards but with less switches lol
My HP button on my Qanba Crystal recently gave out and I've despaired over the thought of returning to pad... this video has motivated me to jump back in and learn it already. Thanks as always for the killer content roofle ❤
I really like that you put up the pros and cons of each type. i tried all three, and where i really like the movement of my character on a leverless controller, i massivly prefer the button layout on gamepad. im also really happy with the options that SF6 is giving me with controls. at the moment im still using modern, but at some point io wanna swap to classic just because it feels like i have more control over my character.
I'm a stick player but my right hand is slower and more often in pain, so I bought a leverless controller and I'm having so much fun. Takes time to fully get used to, but boy is it great to finally be able to dash or Drive Rush properly.
Just curious how would a leverless be any better for right hand pain? It's pretty much the same for your right hand for both stick and leverless right?
@@2Namii Left hand, sorry.
@@IdentityChrist ah np
The difference in price is pretty shocking. Most pads are around $80. But most leverless and sticks start around $200. So that is something to consider.
@martingutierrez694that is true although a dpad can be replaced it's just more difficult
Everybody sleeping on good ol' keyboards. Got a 20$ Logitech keyboard here which is basically a Hitbox but with infinitely more customization options...
@@caspertrog1046iono hopefully that 20 dollars keyboard has anti ghosting. And also (as a tfh player, we compete on pc) keyboards are banned on most live tournaments to prevent both players wanting to be on keyboard… so that’s one consideration to upgrade to a leverless, particularly a wasd style popularized by mixbox
Most console players starting out are gonna have a pad so the cost is effectively zero, though.
@martingutierrez694I wore out a dualshock4 D-Pad in a week. Now it wasn't busted. You can still play with it on every game. But it's no longer reliable for competition.
I got the hori octa and honestly i love it. I hated the ps5 controllers d pad and how it felt so i got the hori and i have been having a lot less miss inputs. I kinda wanna get an arcade stick soon just cause the look like a lot of fun to use and i am open to any reccomendations to ones i can get.☺️
I have a modified Mayflash F300. I switched out the stick and buttons. My biggest complaint is that because it's so light, it does not stay in place very well. Get one with some decent weight, and you'll be fine.
Finally modded my F500 after 3 weeks. Getting into stick was the best thing I did
If you're playing on PC, the 8bitdo stick is really nice and quite affordable compared to most others. It can be used wired or wireless (bluetooth or with the included 2.4g dongle), is easily moddable if you want to swap out parts, has a good amount of heft so it won't slide around on your lap, and it has that old NES style aesthetic (subjective, but I LOVE it). You can reprogram any of the buttons using their app and have several profiles set up on it at once
I would 100% get a Mayflash F500 and mod it down the line if you decide you like stick 👌
I just ordered my Hori octa. Still loving it??
Check this out. Started playing on Mouse and Keyboard. Left hand: middle of keyboard, left thumb alt - parry, left thumb spacebar - jump, pointer finger, middle, ring k, j ,h - left right down. pinky on v for drive impact. Right hand on mouse: left click - jab, right click - light kick. Press both mouse buttons to grab. 2 side mouse buttons - medium kick and medium punch. Mouse scroll wheel up - heavy punch, mouse scroll down - sweep. Try it out if your on PC. Scroll wheel is only weird part. Fingers only have to move for scroll wheel heavies and thumb moves from alt and space for parry or jump.
Also you can autohotkey a SOCD cleaner if you want it to act like a hitbox
I bought a nice arcade stick to try with fighting games, but I can't get over how much quicker a dpad feels to me for inputs. I'm sure it's something I could practice for months and get better with, but the super short travel of my thumb seems so much simpler and easier than using more of a wrist grip movement for a stick. I did get a Hori Octa PS5 controller though which I mostly prefer over a PS5 DualShock however both are definitely usable and good enough for me.
Leverless is my absolute favourite. Just moving my character is so much more comfortable and precise on it.
Rob under me mentioned it already, but I'll reiterate that sliding a finger across the directional buttons on a leverless controller with your left hand, and using your thumb and a finger to hit Up + P is a shortcut for an SPD motion. It can get a little rough on your wrist if you're going for it a lot every game, but it's very consistent. It completely changed my game with Zangief.
IMO the only reason it hurts is because leverless didn't take the lessons of keyboard ergonomics. They just took the stick out of arcade sticks and shoved buttons in.
I built a leverless controller using the AFS stickless layout, and I love it.
Ive been using pads all my life, I recently switched to fight stick and I love it. My inputs are so much cleaner.
I will get a snackbox micro soon just to test it out and judge for myself.
Comfort + easy DI button is all that matters. I don’t like controllers, but bumpers are really good for this game.
I grew up playing fighting games at home more often than at the arcades. So after all this time, I still stick with Pads, never tried investing into Sticks or Leverless. It was tricky to play a 6-button fighter with this since 2 of 'em need to be in the shoulder buttons, but thankfully my time playing these game this way has prepared me for SF6. Additionally, using the left shoulder buttons as macros, especially for Drive Impact, helps tremendously. ^^
I'm looking forward to when your box goes up for sale. I was thinking of designing a leverless myself, but I don't mind rocking the stick a little longer
As an oldman I always will love playing fighting games with a stick. Around SFV it seemed like we were seeing less and less of sticks in majors and more boring PS4 pads. Don't get me wrong, the Dualshock 4 was a fantastic controller for SFV and other fighting games, but I like that arcadey presentation and player expression we get from sticks and hitboxes.
I was so happy seeing so many people on Twitter talking about getting their first stick for SF6. I attribute that a lot to the downgrade that is the PS5 controller, even though the Modern control scheme mitigates that.
The ps4 controller hurts my fingers
Sorry to break it to you grandpa but people would much rather use newer conttollers and shave off the time it takes to perform certain things than keep playing on stick because "muh arcade nostalgiuh"
@@ntwrk56I’m a grandpa then cuz I decided to pursue stick after playing pad since I was smol. The satisfaction of feeling the stick snap and inputs gives me dopamine. It’s just a preference tho, I told my self I’d practice stick and controller and be a hybrid player
I use the Hori Fighting Commander Octa for SF6. I don't like it. I regularly drop combos and jump when I don't intend to. For SFV I used FC4 and didn't have issues. I ordered a leverless controller not too long ago. Looking forward to trying that out.
I use this this controller and really like it. Any dropped combos I have usually feel like an online thing or sloppy inputs. As far as game pad goes I prefer it over the standard ps5.
I do hate how the stick has an L3 and there is a separate button for it. I tend get a little rough with the stick during play so the L3 gets pressed naturally which means I can’t rebind a button like grab, parry, or ex to it.
@@bbyjohn11 I've realized I could actually program this controller. After adjusting the d'pad sensitivity, my inputs have been way more precise. No unintended jumps and very few dropped combos. I wish I did this a long time ago.
I dislike this controller much less now. 😅
I agree about the L3 on the stick. It would have been great if they didn't make the L3 on two buttons or at least it would have been nice if you were allowed to turn off the L3 on the stick.
@@iPlayGameNoTalk Ah that's cool, didn't know you could program it. If you don't mind me asking, what are your dpad settings set to? Thx!
I've just switched over to leverless, and it's amazing. 👍 So much more ergonomic than my DualSense or my Hori FS3. I have to rewire my brain because my left hand is used to manipulating a joystick rather than buttons but the more I practice, the less I have to actively think about it. It's like learning touch typing on a keyboard. Yes, leverless is more expensive, but my Razer Kitsune was just a tiny bit more expensive than upgrading to a Nacon Daija and as I already have a Hori FS3 and not much room to store a large controller, the Kitsune was a no-brainer for the PS5.
I use the Qanba pearl for Street Fighter 6 but I'm selling it to get the Qanba Titan. The Titans extra space between the stick and buttons look comfy and the viewlix layout seems better for the way I play with the stick on my lap.
Unreal been watching this guy for what seems like years and I'm still learning new things I've yet to ever learn b4 now the only thing you can do about that is respect it so much so I had to give it a like its so damn respectable 😂
Keep the content rolling my dude!
Top self quality content as always.
I was always bad on stick at the arcades, pad was the way until i discovered leverless controllers. I love leverless controllers, my inputs are so easy now. No accidently jumping lol
If you are going to go Leverless, I would recommend all your Buttons to be Keyboard Switches for your Buttons. I find them more accurate with your Inputs than like using traditional Arcade Buttons for your Directional Buttons. I recommend MX Cherry Speed Silver Switches for all your Buttons. So if your not liking your Leverless as much, that might be the reasons why.
I've played on all three: first pad, then stick and now leverless. I do like the feel of the arcade stick lever, but hands down my go to is leverless!
On pad my thumbs would hurt after a while and my hands would cramp up, while on stick my wrist would get tired. But on leverless I don't feel any fatigue and can play for longer sessions
Rooflemonger, I tried to find any way I could to input a 360 on leverless, but I ended up settling on the slide input, where you just slide a single finger across the direction buttons and hit up+punch with the right hand. It's much more consistent, but I really only need it for SF6. Skullgirls and Strive don't care if I'm sloppy with my 360 inputs.
I use a pad with 6 face buttons . So I can use the extra bumpers and triggers for parry,Di and EX(OD) macros
thanks for the tip on how to do a 360 on hitbox! I was struggling with that alot for the reasons you mentioned and it was very inconsistent.
Many people tout how much easier hitbox/levelless controller are on their body. While I agree that is true in general, I have tennis elbow affecting my left arm/hand. Using my leverless controller aggravates my tendonitis (tennis elbow) while my fightstick does not, so I have to limit my play sessions.
Note: I am sticking with leverless controllers moving forward, but I have to pay attention to my body with stretching, massage, and time limitations.
Being that I have anxiety spikes when I'm playing Fighting games, I just use a Pad. I wish the early 2000s fight pads were available 😢
always been a pad player, but now with SF6, I have a very strong urge to switch to an arcade stick/hitbox...
I wanna pick hitbox because of all the shortcuts and stuff, but a part of me wants a traditional fight stick because I always wanted one.
Same boat, I went stick route. NO REGRETS
@@kimchinoodle3640 you're making my decision easier 😮💨 can I ask which one you went with? (kinda need one that works on ps5 since its what used in most tournaments)
@@IRahkuBz wow haha same boat again!! Needed one to work for my PS5 and PC. Hori fight stick Alpha is what I got, about the same price as an elite Xbox or Playstation Edge pad. All the buttons are swappable and so is the switch for when the time comes to replace things! Enjoy
I feel I have a much more important question; what fabric are Manon and Chun-Li's shorts and leggings made from? That stuff does not behave like anything I've ever encountered in the real world. >.>
You could add Fightpad. They sre controllers but the Dpad can be a lot better than ps5 and can be a crlircular dpad. 6 face buttons is a positive with 4 triggers left for PPP, KKK, drive impact and parry.
honestly I have used many specialty fightpads in the past and all the ones I have used are of very poor quality. I have had 3 different ones, and all 3 broke in under 100 hours of use.
@@rooflemonger Very true. But still 80 to 100 hours is still worth it to me when they are 60 dollars or less. On PS4 the Dual shock 4 was good enough for fighting games but the Dual Sense on PS 5 makes me miss too many inputs with the Dpad and it is very uncomfortable.
@@rooflemonger I've been buying Fightpads for all my systems for years. None of them have given me any trouble,and I've been given them quite a workout too!!!
I can vouch for fight pads. I'm using the Octa now, but I've had hori fighting commander, and multiple mad catz fight pads. Some early SF ones were definitely not that durable, but The WWE all stars fightpad is GOATED!
I have a victrix pro-fs12 , leverless controller. I'll never go back. Used to play stick, went from gold 1 to Plat 2 within 4 days of practice. Leverless goated.
I use a Horipad. Specifically for the Switch(but use it on PC), it's great. The pad is much better than the terrible arrows just laying there without "connection" in most controlles
My cons - PS5: Sore thumbs, Joystick: inconsistent Drive Rush, Hitbox: learning curve
Sf6 is my first sf title and im just used to dpad from ssbu so ill just stick to my xbox controller😂
Doing a video about the DNF Duel patch? Tons of great changes for that game yesterday.
there's also the L3 and R3 button on the pad (pressing the analog sticks). so you have more buttons than an arcade stick and a baseline leverless. maybe that's the reason i'm seeing some leverless with 10 buttons that are still legal (if i recall correctly, it's Gachikun's)
thanks for the heads up for 360 on leverless! i've been trying to do piledriver on keyboard. on world tour mode, i have both Manon's half circle grab and Gief's SPD equipped. i did the inputs by going half circle then up + punch together but i seem to get Manon's more often than Gief's (or just whiffed jabs if i'm doing the half circle the other way). i am probably doing it too fast as you mentioned.
down up charge has also been a minor beef for me. never seem to be able to do that consistently. the minigames in World Tour has been helping me a lot with practising the inputs in a safe yet not boring environment.
I use the sticks on my controller for playing...
HOWEVER, I jump on the pad when I need to input the DOWN DOWN + P/K for Amnesia.
So it has a major advantage for some characters.
Look for the brand "Fightbox" if you want a leverless controller for a reasonable price! I got mine there and couldn't say enough how glad i am i did.
10:21 About that disadvantage that arcade sticks and maybe also hitbox controllers have to play SF6 as comfortably as possible, not many talk about how you can make your life easier by remapping the punch buttons from the row of the triangle button and the kicks to starting from row of the circle button. This way you leave the square and X button available for the Drive Impact/Drive Parry macros. I usually remap the square button to use it as the Drive Parry and the X to use it as the Drive impact button, which I usually press with my thumb, much more comfortable.
This has a major drawback, especially for the arcade sticks that have been sold all this time on the market, which use the Sega Astro City/Namco Noir button layout, which have practically become obsolete due to how uncomfortable they are for play Street Fighter 6. In this sense, the Vewlix button layout is the best suited to play SF6 comfortably, remapping the buttons without the need to modify the entire arcade stick.
same age same story and same reason just got myself a fight box and my wrists have thanked me for the change arcade stick will always hold a special place and i can still use it for fun but the hitbox, fight box, snack box, whatever your preference there just so much more relaxing and accurate its hard not to love them i was on the fence but dropped 220 on fight box ps5 compatible and i hated it for first week but stuck with it and now i love it. but i think all three have plus and minus charge characters and 360 i prefer stick shotos and mixed i think hitbox is better for so many reason might have to do this video myself i have had one planned for a while with my thoughts but this is a great bit of content matey !!!
It’s definitely a skill issue on my part, but I have an issue consistently getting a drive rush to come out on stick vs it’s real easy on pad
At start: You better not be about to hit me with a "whatever controller you like"
At end: You bastard!
Mr Rooflemonger, could you please consider doing a guide on the snackbox for beginners?
Also thanks much for putting me on to them, as a boomer gamer its going to be a lot more comfortable for me to get my teeth into SF6 ❤
Wanting to pick up fg after a while. I’ll start with my ps5 controller and go from there. Thanks man
I never knew that you could take your finger off back and press forward punch I’ve been sliding my finger and it hurts a lot thanks for letting me know that
If you want to be "top" but not professional competitive, go for the cheat box, it's a reality it has shortcut advantages...now it is legal, also you can use modern control + hitbox and be an online king ....
What i do with my stick (only on 6 button fighters) is i move my hand down an entire row and remap the buttons. So i can use my thumb to hit the left buttons😊
I dunno who needs to hear this but there is a guy on etsy that creates his own homemade hitbox and mixboxes called vsfighter boards. I've purchased one from him for 130 and when I had issues with it I reached out to him on insta and he actually worked with me and even sent me a new prototype to test! All in all what I'm saying is there are cheap alternatives out there and I gotta shout him out cause he has changed my FG experience vastly. I can't express enough how powerful mixbox is!
Hold up, Rooflebox coming soon?! Sign me up, brother!
I will forever play MOST fighters with stick, it's what I've been playing since kof95 in the arcade, and has never changed. Funny, I once tried controller for umvc3 after playing a year of it on stick, after a few weeks I still cannot do a basic combo, the muscle memory is so heavily ingrained in me that I don't ever think I can play controller ever again
A good option for playing classic on pad would be a fight pad. I'm using Hori Octa and it is awesome!
What about wasd bro? I need that mixbox yesterday.
This is obviously a preference for everyone, but as a semi casual fg player who only plays SF I've always just stuck to the pad, because that's the cheapest option.
But 150-300 euro on a hitbox I would never see myself spending for something that I don't even play daily. I've been using the DS4 since SFV launched in 2016 and I only had to change it once, because the Dpad stopped working from so much usage (I went a bit hard on SFV in it's first year).
I use the dance dance revolution mat. I've never won a single game yet.
I have all the controllers and I really love playing stick and leverless, but I play SSBM which is already pretty bad on my hands, so I've been sticking with leverless for the most part in fighting games nowadays.
Do you think the Hitbox (leverless) type gonna be good for Mortal kombat 1?
Have all three types. Controller didn’t work out because of my hand and wrist strain. Used hitbox for SF5 but I feel I get better execution with stick for SF6. Go figure.
I spent too much time in the 90's playing SF2 and other fighting games on snes, so I'll always be a pad player when it comes to 2d games. The pad I like to use is the 8bitdo m30, it's a homage to the sega 6 button controller, it has 6 buttons on it's face and 2 shoulder buttons, retrobit also makes nice replica genesis and saturn controllers that are good too if you want a controller with 6 buttons on the face and that sweet sega d-pad. These pads are easy on the wallet too.
The one you are familiar.. big example Daigo use stick , MenaRd standard controller 🤷🏻♂️
You should make a victrix video about mk1, there isn't a single one on TH-cam
Used to have a fight stick back in the SFIV days, picked up SF6 and been going back and forth on stick and pad. My biggest issues with pad are what you mentioned (the squishy thumb going between different directions) and thumb pain😅. I know I can fix the first issue with better awareness of lifting my thumb and the second issue can be fixed by not pressing so hard, but both are habits that are hard to break. That would take some time and dedication to get those habits out of my hands, time idk if I want to spend because ultimately i'm not trying to go pro, this is purely for fun, so right now I'm leaning towards stick.
Yeah I feel like an underrated aspect of stick is just how comfortable and natural all motions feel. Even if pad was advantageous it's just so unpleasant compared to an arcade stick. Heck the only reason pad is even in the discussion is because they've added input shortcuts over the years. Remove the software tool assist and pads would be back to trash tier (as would hitbox) just like it was in the original golden age
I’m planning to build an all buttons controller within the next few months, but in the meantime I picked up a hori fighting commander pad (the newer octa one), and while it’s taking some serious getting used to, it’s starting to feel pretty good after nearly a week of use. The dpad is stiffer than I’d like, but the buttons are quite nice - if the dpad were more like the xbox series controller, this would be maybe the best 6 face button alternative to the stock xbox controller, but the dpad on the series controller is actually pretty darn good. Still, I’m 45 and even though I’m an old head, I want to play fighting games as far into the future as possible, and pads and sticks are just too hard on the hands/wrists, so just like Rooflemonger, the obvious solution is leverless. If it ends up being a bit faster as a side benefit, well hey, I need all the help I can get in my practically geriatric state or I’ll be hard stuck at platinum rank for the life of SF6 😂
I'm playing on Switch Pro Controller and it works pretty well for now lol
All button ( hitbox) is the best since it's faster to block and more precise. Drive Dashing is also very important and it's also faster on the hitbox. The only advantage arcade stick has is in KOF games for different types of jumps
If Mena can win two Capcom cups with pad then pad is good enough for me. Also I bought the Hori Commander Iacta for the extra buttons, flat shoulder buttons and better dpad. ( I dont use claw style)
my issue with the ps5 Pad is that I am too slow to use the hyperdash and connect a combo after lowkick.
I play zangief with hitbox and for 360 motions, I do the slide method. With your index finger of left hand, start by pressing right, and slide across the down and left button. and with my right hand i press jump with my punch/kick. I don't think ill be able to do it any other way.
Thanks for the info bro. ❤
I bought an arcade stick and I’m trying to learn because it’s fun but it’s hard to give up the benefit of always having a finger on the di button with a game pad.
You were me 2 weeks ago. Now i am confident I’m better on stick. Stay with it brotha I’m believe in you. Trust me you’ll definitely get wanna give up but trust the process
@@Itslewcario I gotta put a little more time into it every time I play. I mapped di to the x button of stick in hopes it would help me react faster
@@bbyjohn11 yea I felt it.. I decided too stick with the default scheme. I think my issue was that I’m used too only using my pointer.. It’s really muscle memory tbh. Now my DI with my pinkie is on par with my controller bind if not better. Just gotta keep practicing budday
Great video and good analysis
For me, I've always been a pad player (I hadn't played fighting games for real since my teens). When I first picked up this game, the first fighting game in, well, maybe ever that I really wanted to devote myself to learning and getting good at, I was using the PS5 controller (I'm PC). And man, it was awful. I couldn't reliably do most moves (I'm learning Cammy). Then one evening I remembered that I had gotten an 8BitDo Xbox Controller last year, specifically because it was touted to have one of the best D-Pads. So I swapped to it, and suddenly, bam. Everything I was struggling with I was nailing without issue (mainly trying to do a damn Cannon Dive). Haven't looked back.
Though I also picked up a Snackbox on Roofle's recommendation, and, man, that is WEIRD. I'm practicing with it on the side, but it feels like it's going to take me months to get my fingers and brain to understand it.
Very interesting.
That Victrix Pro cost more than a PS5 in Australia!!
I would like to purchase a Victrix Pro Arcade stick one day. If the stick wasn't so overpriced and hard to find here in Toronto.
only thing i find with the whole shoulder button parry/DI point is when youre in your mid tier phase its WAY to easy to rely on and get punished for BECAUSE its one button, one whole button less to realize this is a bad idea lol
great video! I think the only thing to add are six buttons pads. I use one myself and there are definitely more advantages to using them relative to a normal ps5 pad as well as them being a nice price compared to sticks and hitboxes. Otherwise loved the video!
I honestly just want to play on everything on rotation lol i prefer a fightpad but smashing buttons on hitbox or stick looks like fun lol