1:29 - Calculating the HP Ratio 4:52 - Stat Comparison - Who Heals More? 10:15 - Passives and Abilities 12:25 - Summary p.s. As Medic, how long after you lose LOS does you heal beam disconnect? Answers on a postcard.
Usually dissapears after less than 1 second when the beam touches a wall, but when it just reaches too far it usually dissapears after 1 second. But as I discovered, that's only visual, the moment the beam is unable to reach your patient it stops healing, I discovered that by pocketing and being pocketed
I think something helpful for both games would be remove the outliers for HP in both games. An outlier (if I recall correctly) is a value that deviates more than 1.5x from the mean
"You cant take the brain out of a criminal and put it in a pumpkin, but you cant take the criminal out of the brain inside a pumpkin" "Also dont take the brain out of the pumpkin"
He quite literally resembles Egon Spengler with his black hair in the movie and his passion with science. Not to mention some of the sound effects used for the medigun were based from the Ghostbusters proton pack. I think most people know that already.
@@jezdrawz1227This isn’t the first time Valve use Ghostbusters as an inspiration. One of the weapons in Half Life 1 is inspired by the packs use in Ghostbusters (forgot what it was called).
Another important thing to factor about healing is the burst heal of the crusader's crossbow, which is argueably the better part of using it. Since it's not affected by crit heals, you can quickly give a bunch of health to a teammate to hold them over before the crit heals kick in.
@@Toofty I also would have liked it if you factored in that the crossbow auto-reloads when not being held. Meaning you can switch between crossbow and medi-gun to heal someone much faster than would otherwise be possible.
medics uber is like 20x more important than valkyrie. Ults are kept on death, there are 12 of them and valkyrie isn't even one of the best. Uber is one of its kind (i guess banners are like mini ubers) and pro games are based so much on dropping meds, building uber.
Acquiring Uber and using it properly needs teamwork to pull through. Valkyrie is just an ability that needs to be charged and doesn't necessarily need teamwork to be effective since you can distance yourself from your opponents with flight. Really odd that her ability has no form of cooperation despite her being a support character.
Without the bare chested cosmetic, however, I did the math and found that Medic is more visually appealing to intelligent people and Mercy is more appealing to creeps.
The way I see it, the "Uber versus Resurrection" debate goes something like this -Ubercharge allows for the player to not die -ressurection bring them back from death this **obviously** shows that Medic cares more about the people he's healing as he stops them from dying, whereas mercy waits for them to die before bringing them back thank you for coming to my ted talk
His personality desagrees. Hes a psychopath, dont get me wrong its an interisting idea for the healer and really bring the stuff together, but he prob doesn't care if you die, he'll be like "ah damn he's doing. Anyway"
@@usernametaken017 was mostly kidding and trying to make a joke, but yeah, you are totally right. If you remember from the meet the medic video, he literally injected baboon hearts into his teammates because human hearts couldn't retain the energy needed to create uber correctly. so yeah, I agree with you
Fun fact: If Medic is healing someone below 142% hp his self heal rate is doubled for a max of 12hp/s after about 9 seconds from taking damage. This almost halves the time to self heal to full from 30ish to 16 seconds. So if you’re injured as medic then healing a non buffed player will heal you faster.
@@SoloMael So what if he's a little low on anesthetics? Besides that's just more impressive, a successful heart transplant on a AWAKE man with the man feeling little to no pain
well i mean medic is a 40/50 y/o german dude who CLEARLY is a medic, whilst Mercy is a hot, on her early 20's woman wearing leather pants, it's not even a match, poor mercy the medic is too appealing
Sun flower in BFN is a ridiculously powerful healer: 1. They have a heal beam that can still be used when shooting 2. They can produce sundrops that have a really good heal rate. 3. They have a powerful sunbeam
Pow: when You cornered the medic and really think you're going to win now. Medic: healing its not as rewarding as a hurting *Extracts Ubersaw and do crit* thanks for 25% comarad!
Said game mode is set several years after tf2 as we know it as well last I checked, so it makes sense he'd eventually upgrade and find a way to revive his teammates
Personality just 9. His personality is 20 at least After all, we are talking about thr man who scammed the devil twice, saved his entire team just with his underwear and ķilled TF:C Heavy (with the help of TF2 Heavy of course)
I thought "how about Melee as a base for damage?" But tf2 has 65 DMG to 125 avgHP and overwatch is 30 DMG to 200avgHP. You're right, the games are mostly incomparable.
You have to remember that everyone in TF2 got dedicated melee weapons, while most Overwatch heroes prefer a quick melee strike with whatever's already in their hands It's only natural to expect a bone saw would be more effective in combat than a healing staff
C'mon, obviously demo wins, he can be a knight, an alcoholic, an explosive character, and a KAMIKAZE(with the dead caber) Oh, and I did not mention his hability to FLY
If you ask me it's about the same overall. Both have easy characters to master, both have extremely difficult characters to get the most out of. And in both the main skill you're going to need is game sense.
@@valipower4468 honestly, Overwatch's just a different dynamic. There's depth to it, but it's a different kind of depth. Also the recent patch coming to Overwatch improves it a lot.
In TF2 you have a lot more to learn per character, in Overwatch you have to learn the basics of all the heroes. In my opinion TF2 is a lot harder to master.
It is my feeling as a personal competitive medic main myself that you left out the crossbow. Not accusing the video or anything but the burst healing of the crossbow is honestly better than the medi gun itself, that combined with the auto reload feature of it makes medic (in my belief) have much higher skill ceiling due to aiming/managing arrows and more heal potential
Shout out to all you comp medics. That crossbow has saved my ass so many times, especially as a heavy main, who is often down 100+ hp and still fighting
But 1 hp in TF2 is not equivalent to 1 hp in OW? But you're right, reading this comment is way more entertaining than watching a carefully crafted, written and edited video You see that BUTT? That's right, it's HURT.
@commander memes G.E.W.P the Quick-Fix should have been taken for the comparison, since it's the Medigun most similar to the Mercy's mechanics. The Ubercharge can bring teammates from near death to full in a second, and the rocket jump effect mirrors Guardian Angel.
You know what makes that even funnier, I’m pretty sure the guy who got his skeleton removed was still alive! He also did ‘live’ heart surgery on a still-conscious Heavy, replaced the whole Team’s hearts with baboon hearts and brought Sniper back from Heaven. Not to mention bargained with the Devil himself. So the dude is crazy
"Vait, it gets better! So when ze man *woke up,* his skeleton was missing, and ze doctor was never heard from again!" Yeah. Medic removed a guy's skeleton without killing him, which is mind-blowing when you consider the nervous system and how intertwined with your bones it is (especially your brain and spinal cord).
Why does this bring to mind the time I searched up cursed paul blart images and found the masterpiece known as blart cart 8: don't mess with his coconut mall.
Idk if it's a joke but Mercy defends herself with mobility. She is practically an evasion tank. Why fight her enemies if she can keep helping her team while avoiding death
@@dankdilly Mercy can Defend and Support but not Offend, while medic can Defend, Offend, and Support, especialy with his Crusaders Crosbow and Ubersaw, which are for Defense and Offense, while the Medi-gun is for support
About matching your heal Target's speed. I am not sure if you are talking about pubs or 6s, but in 6s this change is HUGE. It completely changed the meta in 6s because scouts can now be ubered reliably, and they can get medic out of trouble. This is a very big change to the game.
in my calculation: the medic is more powerful because he is intelligent and he even created his own stuff like inventing a beam that heals organic beings
Quick fix uber just kinda pimp slaps any of mercys healing, and I feel that 150% on demand is worth more than occasional revive since as a healer your one job is to keep your team alive not to bring them back when they die since you were SUCH, A BAD, DOCTOR! Still though great video! I love these comparisons!
@E Lafon I'm aware, but it's only available every 30 seconds. Overheal can buff multiple teammates at a time on demand. It's also able to turn the tide as rather than multiple light classes getting killed by a sniper each would be able to survive an uncharged shot and retreat to cover rather than respawning, which in tf2 can take considerably longer making prevention of the death worth even more.
@E Lafon Tf2 is team based as well, especially in competitive modes such as Highlander. And a numbers advantage is applicable to literally any team based shooter, more people in the fight = higher chance of success. And once again tf2s longer respawn makes losing a player just as if not more punishing than losing someone in Overwatch.
@E Lafon A team with good team work vs a team without it means the team with it will win 9/10 times. And even if it's not as much teamwork required it's only because Tf2 has considerably less Rock Paper Scissors balancing, every class except maybe medic has a moderate chance to beat classes that counter it where as in Overwatch an actual counter is almost always a HARD counter. You can be individually effective even against classes who have an advantage over you in Tf2 where as in Overwatch a character with an advantage over you is usually "I have been trained for my entire life to eliminate you in particular, prepare to die!" Unless the advantage is extremely minor. Not saying that's a bad thing, I like both games and think the way they balance works well for each, but Overwatch is much more X beats Y than Tf2 and as such you are more or less forced to stick with your team so that Z can counter Y when they attack X.
You also forgot to mention 2 additional passives that Medic has: his current health regen doubles if he heals an injured ally. Medic's medibeam also provides 50% duration reduction of most debuffs (jarate, mad milk, wetness, fire).
Sees enemy Mercy : Flies away and camps for deaths she can immediately reverse, drawing out the game and punishing good moves from opponents Medic : Hippety hoppity that 25% overcharge is now my property Mercy : "You can't do that, healers reverse pain, not cause it!" Medic : **Laughs in scammed the devil, brought Sniper back from 12 hour death, done several transplants while the patients were awake, and made one of his healing machines out of a garden hose and coffee maker. And it can **_still_** make coffee**
Medic: Nice health regen and movement speed mercy now it's my turn Fräulein Equips amputator, overdose, kritkrieg, and most importantly equips a beard and his bare chest Medic: oh that's a long healing beam Equips crusader crossbow Medic: oh you can fly Equips quick fix and sticks with a demoman, demoknight (the quick fix also makes medic charge), and a soldier.
As a medic main, matching the speed of a faster target could save the game, lets say your heavy is pretty far away and taking heavy fire while you're respawning and your engie is either new or non existent, and you and a scout respawn at the same time or a multiple head demoknight comes back to retreat for whatever reason, you can heal them to get there much faster than normal and possibly save that heavy (Yes I know I'm 3 years late, I don't care)
12:02 I would just put angelic descent on a 2 since it pairs really well with "super-jumps" and without it pharah+mercy wouldn't be the thing it is. The damage amp is usefull but i still don't use it as much, I would also put it at a 2-3. Great video by the way!
At higher levels of play, the main and pretty much only purpose of mercy is to amp the damage of the dps heros (due to her low amounts of healing compared to other supports). A perfect comparison would be spy in highlander, where his main purpose is to gather intel rather than simply going for backstabs.
*Medic:* Is devoted to keeping you alive while still being a mad scientist. *Mercy:* More concerned about her self while trying to be honorable. Its like pottery, it rhymes.
Tf2 is a valuable game with each character different than the other When it’s overwatch it feels like everything is getting recycled with little changes
If you can consistently hit Crusader's Crossbow shots, it actually outheals not just the Medigun but also Mercy, even at minimum distance from the target. That burst healing makes a huge difference in fights, too; it's like getting an Ana grenade that does more healing going by your ratio every 1.6 seconds, but for a single target. Edit: further, the Amputator sort of changes everything if we're comparing theoretical healing maximums and not just standard healing rates. Say that you have a team of heavies who are all standing by you and they're at 1 HP. You'd be healing 275 HP per second since the aura affects all of them. Now say that they've been out of combat for 15 seconds: that's 825 HP per second. The taunt lasts 4.2 seconds, so at the absolute most extreme maximum, you could be healing up to 3,465 damage in just 4.2 seconds.
7:23 laughs in blutsauger and amputator 11:50 the quick fix can copy rocket jumps, sticky jumps and shield charges so well its more situational, but it can get you to the front lines really fast
Overwatch has a lower skill ceiling for single characters however probably has a similar, but slightly higher skill ceiling than tf2 due to the large cast
*laughs in almost 2000 possible loadouts, each changing how a class is played (160 weapons/9 classes/3 slots is average of about 6 weapons per slot 6*6*6=216 combinations per class *9=1944 it's on average ok)
Quite surprised you didn't speak about the quick fix. Sure the downside is pretty heavy, but i was interested in the fact if medic can go ahead of mercy flat rate (both in combat ) due to the upside of the quickfix
A german mad doctor that stuffs baboon embryos into his teammates and requires skill and good positioning to play as vs a generic angel chick that requires 1 button to heal and escape
@E Lafon and her being able to do that creates stalemates and slows games down, the opposite of that is ubercharge, which was specially designed to break stalemates and chokepoints... and medic can also resurrect people from the dead, but he doesn't need a fancy staff or a pair of angel wings to do that, all he needs is some blood and animal organs
I would say mercy has a higher skill ceiling because of things like super jumping, beam uptime and knowing when to use damage boost. I main Mercy and a lot of newer Mercy’s tend to either not use these abilities or not take them into account. Edit: Damage amp is one of the most impactful things Mercy has in her kit, especially with Valkyrie since she can give her whole team a damage boost. (I still really enjoyed the video this is just a Mercy main’s brow on some of the stats)
In terms of impact, I'd give the resurrection like at least 4, imagine finally killing a very annoying enemy that was rolling your team after putting in a lot of effort just for them to get resed a second later
![TF2 Artillery sentry mod [Showcase and Gameplay]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2t_nM_mX_-c/mqdefault.jpg)
1:29 - Calculating the HP Ratio
4:52 - Stat Comparison - Who Heals More?
10:15 - Passives and Abilities
12:25 - Summary
p.s. As Medic, how long after you lose LOS does you heal beam disconnect? Answers on a postcard.
Heal juice if u know what I am saying : )
Medic create his own weapon. Mercy: Hmmmmm i can't do that but i can fly...
Medic: i heal the man who Will kill you...
Hey toofty will have a live this night maby just for fun
(i havent watch your live streams beacaus of homeworks)
Usually dissapears after less than 1 second when the beam touches a wall, but when it just reaches too far it usually dissapears after 1 second.
But as I discovered, that's only visual, the moment the beam is unable to reach your patient it stops healing, I discovered that by pocketing and being pocketed
I think something helpful for both games would be remove the outliers for HP in both games. An outlier (if I recall correctly) is a value that deviates more than 1.5x from the mean
>"Medic, as the only healer in the game"
>rip dispenser, never to be pootis'd here
ah yes the Engie, my favorite healer class
Don't forget Hoovy
@@thatrandomname7788 Not Engie, but Dispenser.
@Gammera ah yes, the dispenser, my favorite healer class*
also the payload. Everyone forgets the payload can heal, until you're almost dead
Mercy:Heroes never die!
Medic:I healed the man that will kill you!!
Not gonna ruin the 69 likes
@@aboredfellow1448 some one did tho
Yea its funny
Wow guys so funny sex number laugh guysssssss *earrape claps*
@@animq4ionboi.153 LMAOOO AHAHAHAHA XDXDXD SKSKSKSKSK
"Do no harm" - Medic, 2 hours after cutting open 8 mercenaries and replacing their hearts with a baboon's with a modded voltage meter attached.
bumpercarz shhh, medic doesn’t know the hypocratic oath was upgraded from a hypocratic suggestion
Also, he stole his teammates' souls.
Correction: he stole the TFC mercs' souls
@@Quickstein No, it was the TF2 mercs, that's why they don't die
What are you going off of? What's the context? Because mine is Comic 6 (The Naked and the Dead)
Mercy: _Heroes never die._
Medic: _I lost my medical license._
_"And when he woke up his skeleton was missing, and the doctor was never heard from again!"_
"You cant take the brain out of a criminal and put it in a pumpkin, but you cant take the criminal out of the brain inside a pumpkin"
"Also dont take the brain out of the pumpkin"
@@outlawcorn8169 **laughter**
@@Mrskeletonfitness "anyway, that's how i lost my medical license"
Archimedes, no. Ugh, birds
Mercy's Design: angel
Medic's Design: G H O S T B U S T E R S
He quite literally resembles Egon Spengler with his black hair in the movie and his passion with science.
Not to mention some of the sound effects used for the medigun were based from the Ghostbusters proton pack. I think most people know that already.
@@jezdrawz1227yes
@@jezdrawz1227This isn’t the first time Valve use Ghostbusters as an inspiration. One of the weapons in Half Life 1 is inspired by the packs use in Ghostbusters (forgot what it was called).
@@magnusvonbraun9870 gluon gun
Another important thing to factor about healing is the burst heal of the crusader's crossbow, which is argueably the better part of using it. Since it's not affected by crit heals, you can quickly give a bunch of health to a teammate to hold them over before the crit heals kick in.
I should have given this more attention in the video. That thing can do crazy hp/s at range. With the reload time I would estimate maybe 75hp/s
@@Toofty I also would have liked it if you factored in that the crossbow auto-reloads when not being held. Meaning you can switch between crossbow and medi-gun to heal someone much faster than would otherwise be possible.
Don't forget that swiss girl has tiny pistol and the übermensch has übersaw that one-hit kills 7 of 9 classes 90% of the time.
@@noobsaibot8780
Spy: Approaches medic
Medic, noticing the spy: "So you have chosen-" *pulls out ubersaw* "Death"
So no one uses quick fix?
medics uber is like 20x more important than valkyrie. Ults are kept on death, there are 12 of them and valkyrie isn't even one of the best. Uber is one of its kind (i guess banners are like mini ubers) and pro games are based so much on dropping meds, building uber.
12? No they have like uhh 30 idk
Acquiring Uber and using it properly needs teamwork to pull through.
Valkyrie is just an ability that needs to be charged and doesn't necessarily need teamwork to be effective since you can distance yourself from your opponents with flight.
Really odd that her ability has no form of cooperation despite her being a support character.
Not to mention other healers have better ults in overwatch. Armor, Sound boost, kamehameheals, and tranquility are all better.
Gr3nadgr3gory yes! Sound boost. My favourite ability. Much better than speed boost and sound barrier combined. 👍
Am I a retard wtf is sound boost
I appreciate your sacrifice of actually playing on Goldrush.
hoodoo*
That ain't gold rush bro
@@razvanpanaite178 possibly even worse
DUN DUN DUN
As a player who unironically enjoys both of those maps
*sad reacts*
“Who’s sexier?”
Pft mercy doesn’t have shit on burly beast medic.
Damn imagine the Burly Beast with Das Gutenkutteharen
*_but what about regular medic without the burly beast?_*
_he's still sexier_
@@GaryCandyPrince default medic is very hot, look at those gloves, mm mm mm
Your goddamn right
Everybody gangsta till the Sunflower starts healing.
I know, I main Sunflower. always top healer with a 2.5 k in average healing
Romain Veyrand i main everyone except for scientist and i only play the first garden warfare because its not a cashgrab
Peabrain First is best ngl
De Spy yes
Even sunflower is better than mercy so she is in the same spot as medic
Without the bare chested cosmetic, however, I did the math and found that Medic is more visually appealing to intelligent people and Mercy is more appealing to creeps.
Thanks, our lord and saver Shrek
So, am I a creep?
Yes (Sandvich)
Just a Person hi person!
I mean, you cannot out do the medic, but mercy has her equivalents
The way I see it, the "Uber versus Resurrection" debate goes something like this
-Ubercharge allows for the player to not die
-ressurection bring them back from death
this **obviously** shows that Medic cares more about the people he's healing as he stops them from dying, whereas mercy waits for them to die before bringing them back
thank you for coming to my ted talk
His personality desagrees. Hes a psychopath, dont get me wrong its an interisting idea for the healer and really bring the stuff together, but he prob doesn't care if you die, he'll be like "ah damn he's doing. Anyway"
@@usernametaken017 was mostly kidding and trying to make a joke, but yeah, you are totally right.
If you remember from the meet the medic video, he literally injected baboon hearts into his teammates because human hearts couldn't retain the energy needed to create uber correctly.
so yeah, I agree with you
I think he just wants his test subjects to not die so he can continue his tests, since what's good if you can't have live subjectS?
@@3verlong I was making a joke, hence the asterisks around the word obviously, implying over exaggeration
@@dexterity494 ik i was just stating how I saw it
Fun fact: If Medic is healing someone below 142% hp his self heal rate is doubled for a max of 12hp/s after about 9 seconds from taking damage.
This almost halves the time to self heal to full from 30ish to 16 seconds.
So if you’re injured as medic then healing a non buffed player will heal you faster.
This has blow my mind
Because the Amputator wasn't overshadowed enough already. The poor thing really needs it's effect to go passive.
Fun fact: If the medic taunts with the kritzkrieg, he gains 11 health for over 4 seconds, this is useful if you're burning.
what the fuck?!
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 well, most likely the 2 buffs stacks toghether
Him: mercy is faster
Me: *laughs in quick fix*
Medic who got attacked by a souja boi: try again.
How 2 fly:
Use quick fix
Heal trolldier
Profit
@@silly_lil_guy actually yes
Medic: Completed multiple successful heart transplants
Mercy: Has a Healy stick
*while Heavy was awake
@@SoloMael So what if he's a little low on anesthetics? Besides that's just more impressive, a successful heart transplant on a AWAKE man with the man feeling little to no pain
Mercy: resurrected people from the dead
@@roronoa_raven Medic was one of the creators of a machine to do the same thing and successfully cheated THE DEVIL
@@roronoa_raven Medic: *Also revives people in MvM*
"Doctor, Are you SURE ABOUT THIS"
"Hahahaha I have noooo Idea!"
I AM BULLET PROOOOOOOFFF!!!
Wow I can hear the music wtf
Medic has so much more character than mercy
[Valve] Tf2 How are you alive?!
[TF2] Hahaha I HAVE NO IDEA!
And then he can take care of several birds and baby baboons.
"Who is sexier"
Of course and with absolute no doubt at all....
The Medic with his shirt open.
medic does not simply opens it. he rips it to show how mannly he is.
His chest bursted his shirt open due to manliness
Ya mercy doesn't have the balls to do the same
Ye
jabüll
Toofy: who Is sexier
The Virgin Swiss Medic
The Chad German Doktor
The chest cosmetic
Hathat the Chinese Shark cosmedic lmao
YES
Medic is clearly hotter
well i mean medic is a 40/50 y/o german dude who CLEARLY is a medic, whilst Mercy is a hot, on her early 20's woman wearing leather pants, it's not even a match, poor mercy the medic is too appealing
the chad german doktor
Overwatch fan : mercy is so sexy
Team fortress 2 : medic burly beast
Spy is who normies think is sexy
Bro tf2 medic is hawt
*Interviewer:* _"So, Medic, do you think Mercy heals more than you?"_
*Medic:* _"I'M GOING TO SAW THROUGH YOUR BONE!!"_
**Interviewer dies**
Im sure we can all agree here that medic is a 11/10 sexiness
eh he's alright I guess
@@Velkishitf you mean "alright", he's fucking hot bro
Im sick of medic vs mercy
When is medic vs sun flower ?
Oh yeah, I forgot that garden warfare / fight for neighborvile exist.
@@ToastyTastyPancakes ye
@@bobmcboblin sun flower deal more damage
Sun flower in BFN is a ridiculously powerful healer:
1. They have a heal beam that can still be used when shooting
2. They can produce sundrops that have a really good heal rate.
3. They have a powerful sunbeam
@@mr.tatortot6469 ye
Enemy: *exists*
Mercy: *runs away*
Medic: Hippity Hoppity that 25% ubercharge is now my property
"I'M GOING TO SAW THROUGH YOUR BONES!"
This comment is severely underated.
@@WitherBombagree
Pow: when You cornered the medic and really think you're going to win now. Medic: healing its not as rewarding as a hurting *Extracts Ubersaw and do crit* thanks for 25% comarad!
MEDIC GAMING!!!!
_It's obvious that Medic is sexier then Mercy. Just look at that German beauty._
That’s the power of German engineering
Fruit Wagon Volkswagen
@@spacewolf9596 SPEEDWAGON
@@fruitwagon9275 BRAKA MONAGA
I am ze uburman
“Who does the more healing?”
Medic: *Ze healing is not as rewarding as ze HURTING.*
You forget that Medic can revive teamates as well, he just does it in one gamemode only
yeah mann vs machine, its an upgrade
That's the Projectile Shield.
MvM rez is available right off the bat.
Said game mode is set several years after tf2 as we know it as well last I checked, so it makes sense he'd eventually upgrade and find a way to revive his teammates
medic is more sexy than mercy
change my mind
You are stating what's in the video, not really a discussion...
Oh man, that beast sure is burly.
Why would I change the mind of a man that is right?
Just go on Ctrl+Shift+N and some sketchy websites
@@Sp00kq sfm?
I prefer mercy
Medic is more like my crazy friend.
I love hanging out with my crazy friend
I love your use of a prehistoric artifact at 9:46. I certainly didn't expect a lesson in dead cultures from this video.
I'm a boomer don't be racist
@@Toofty ok boomer
are you calling Star Wars a dead culture?
@@justiceofbook no the meme
May I suggest using medians in future, as it helps remove the effect of outliers. You get 200 for OW & 150 for TF2.
Is that the number that occurs the most? That works, I guess that would be the same as the baseline I used before
@@Toofty The median number is the middlemost number in a set.
@@Qaos Ah I see, thanks
I think doing a t2 to t3 mean would be better as it removes the outliers and still gives a proper average
Old comment is old, but I think the best way to approach the median HP for OW is to just get the HP values of the original OW heroes.
Personality just 9.
His personality is 20 at least
After all, we are talking about thr man who scammed the devil twice, saved his entire team just with his underwear and ķilled TF:C Heavy (with the help of TF2 Heavy of course)
“See, this button will make 3 baboons grow instantly inside of you”-medic.
9:12 I think medic’s silhouette is a ton more iconic than mercy’s
Pretty sure, TF2 characters are more iconic in general. The only ones compares to them are Tracer, Widowmaker and Mercy.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457
for obvious reasons
the only reason i can *slightly* recognize mercy is because of medic vs mercy videos LMAO
I thought "how about Melee as a base for damage?" But tf2 has 65 DMG to 125 avgHP and overwatch is 30 DMG to 200avgHP. You're right, the games are mostly incomparable.
You have to remember that everyone in TF2 got dedicated melee weapons, while most Overwatch heroes prefer a quick melee strike with whatever's already in their hands
It's only natural to expect a bone saw would be more effective in combat than a healing staff
Don't you mean 195 damage to 125 avgHP
Demo VS Junkrat
C'mon, obviously demo wins, he can be a knight, an alcoholic, an explosive character, and a KAMIKAZE(with the dead caber)
Oh, and I did not mention his hability to FLY
@@sho3003 the power of trimping
demoknight tf2
@@marshymela1006 demoknight tf2
@@marshymela1006 DemoPan TF2 is best class.
Crusader's Crossbow to counteract crit heal debuff.
Holy moly the Hp/Sec is off the charts
I don't know why you are worried, skill ceilings are higher in TF2.
If you ask me it's about the same overall. Both have easy characters to master, both have extremely difficult characters to get the most out of. And in both the main skill you're going to need is game sense.
@@valipower4468 honestly, Overwatch's just a different dynamic. There's depth to it, but it's a different kind of depth.
Also the recent patch coming to Overwatch improves it a lot.
per character the skill ceiling is far higher on tf2, but overwatch forces you to learn much more very different characters to succeed.
@E Lafon And in the English Language you have good grammar.
In TF2 you have a lot more to learn per character, in Overwatch you have to learn the basics of all the heroes. In my opinion TF2 is a lot harder to master.
13:07
*sad Russian sounds*
*sad Dispenser sounds*
I think he means the only one with a medigun
He said only healer so I had to make a joke
@@zuke3438 pensive MvM Health Regen and Health per Kill noises
*sad cum noises*
What you said about Russian sounds? Ну так что?
It is my feeling as a personal competitive medic main myself that you left out the crossbow. Not accusing the video or anything but the burst healing of the crossbow is honestly better than the medi gun itself, that combined with the auto reload feature of it makes medic (in my belief) have much higher skill ceiling due to aiming/managing arrows and more heal potential
Shout out to all you comp medics. That crossbow has saved my ass so many times, especially as a heavy main, who is often down 100+ hp and still fighting
Medic: 24hps - 72hps
Quick-Fix Medic: 33hps - 99hps
Mercy: 50hps
But 1 hp in TF2 is not equivalent to 1 hp in OW?
But you're right, reading this comment is way more entertaining than watching a carefully crafted, written and edited video
You see that BUTT? That's right, it's HURT.
@@Toofty fair enough.
Quick-Fix (actual values): 33.4 - 100.3 HP/s
Quick-Fix Uber: 100.3 - 300.9 HP/s
laughs in quick-fix uber
@commander memes G.E.W.P the Quick-Fix should have been taken for the comparison, since it's the Medigun most similar to the Mercy's mechanics. The Ubercharge can bring teammates from near death to full in a second, and the rocket jump effect mirrors Guardian Angel.
Medic once stole whole skeleton from person. Can Mercy do that? I don't think so
You know what makes that even funnier, I’m pretty sure the guy who got his skeleton removed was still alive!
He also did ‘live’ heart surgery on a still-conscious Heavy, replaced the whole Team’s hearts with baboon hearts and brought Sniper back from Heaven. Not to mention bargained with the Devil himself. So the dude is crazy
"Vait, it gets better! So when ze man *woke up,* his skeleton was missing, and ze doctor was never heard from again!"
Yeah. Medic removed a guy's skeleton without killing him, which is mind-blowing when you consider the nervous system and how intertwined with your bones it is (especially your brain and spinal cord).
@@benjaminoechsli1941"Anyways that's how I lost my medical license"
Medic with the burly beast cosmetic, is an
*I N S T A N T N U T*
I once saw nice fan art with HC where Medic was Mercy's father. The art was so wholesome
Why does this bring to mind the time I searched up cursed paul blart images and found the masterpiece known as blart cart 8: don't mess with his coconut mall.
reminds me of the comic where Heavy is Zarya's uncle
everybody gangsta till they find mercy x medic porn
@@pinata1368 what the fuck?!
@pacifist mini gun rule 34
0:22 is that even a valid question? There is no doubt that the medic from tf2 is much hotter
Yes
Tick tock heavy like a brinks truck
The medic, the medic does, because he heals our hearts when we are sad.
Yea we all know this
Medic T H I C C AF
Also Burly Beast is ridicilously OP
Bro how is Mercy slightly more "iconic" when she's designed after Medic as it's been confirmed by Jeff Kaplan himself lol.
Mercy got nerfed while the Medic didn't
*ARGUMENT OVER*
because valve knows how to make a class
*B A L A N C E D*
@@LainGato deadringer: Am i a joke to you?
ambassador who do you think I am
Every spy main will one day get they’re revenge
One day valve one day
@@hathatthechineseshark8168 but the amby is op tho
Mercy does more healing
Because medic can actually defend himself
Idk if it's a joke but Mercy defends herself with mobility. She is practically an evasion tank. Why fight her enemies if she can keep helping her team while avoiding death
@@thienangiap8793 Battle Medic exists you know...
@@dankdilly Mercy can Defend and Support but not Offend, while medic can Defend, Offend, and Support, especialy with his Crusaders Crosbow and Ubersaw, which are for Defense and Offense, while the Medi-gun is for support
@@dankdilly Ok but can mercy go on giant random crit rampages and in the process become bulletproof?
ZE HEALING IS NOT REWARDING AZ ZE HURTING
Medic, the class everyone loves but no one wants to play
Spy, the class no one loves but everyone wants to play.
I actually main medic
I'm a medic main
I main medic too lol
About matching your heal Target's speed. I am not sure if you are talking about pubs or 6s, but in 6s this change is HUGE. It completely changed the meta in 6s because scouts can now be ubered reliably, and they can get medic out of trouble. This is a very big change to the game.
12:38 welp, medic wins the sexiness
Toofty: Healers are the lowest damage dealers
Zenyatta: Yes, but actually no.
Laughs in ubersaw crits and blutsauger
in my calculation: the medic is more powerful because he is intelligent and he even created his own stuff like inventing a beam that heals organic beings
as a straight male, i can objectively say that medic is hotter
Medic: The driving force to my match.
Mercy: The driving force to my erection.
*Interchangable to preferences*
Other way round
@@arandomsquidward7761
_Excuse me what?_
@@criticallyconk4944
You heard the man
Fucking pathetic true gamers erect to medic
@@firecat2465
_Monka_
Quick fix uber just kinda pimp slaps any of mercys healing, and I feel that 150% on demand is worth more than occasional revive since as a healer your one job is to keep your team alive not to bring them back when they die since you were SUCH, A BAD, DOCTOR!
Still though great video! I love these comparisons!
@E Lafon I'm aware, but it's only available every 30 seconds. Overheal can buff multiple teammates at a time on demand. It's also able to turn the tide as rather than multiple light classes getting killed by a sniper each would be able to survive an uncharged shot and retreat to cover rather than respawning, which in tf2 can take considerably longer making prevention of the death worth even more.
@E Lafon Tf2 is team based as well, especially in competitive modes such as Highlander. And a numbers advantage is applicable to literally any team based shooter, more people in the fight = higher chance of success. And once again tf2s longer respawn makes losing a player just as if not more punishing than losing someone in Overwatch.
@E Lafon A team with good team work vs a team without it means the team with it will win 9/10 times. And even if it's not as much teamwork required it's only because Tf2 has considerably less Rock Paper Scissors balancing, every class except maybe medic has a moderate chance to beat classes that counter it where as in Overwatch an actual counter is almost always a HARD counter. You can be individually effective even against classes who have an advantage over you in Tf2 where as in Overwatch a character with an advantage over you is usually "I have been trained for my entire life to eliminate you in particular, prepare to die!" Unless the advantage is extremely minor.
Not saying that's a bad thing, I like both games and think the way they balance works well for each, but Overwatch is much more X beats Y than Tf2 and as such you are more or less forced to stick with your team so that Z can counter Y when they attack X.
@E Lafon A team without teamwork in tf2 just gets destroyed (unless carried by a pro player).
@E Lafon why did you say your comment twice?
"medic only healer"
Sad hoovie noises
sad texan noises in pootis minor
And Engineer
pensive MvM health regen and health for kill
_sad cart noises_
*Sad pyschotic pyromaniac noises*
TooftyTV: *who is more sexy- i mea-*
Me: *MEDIC*
Ja!
No doubts. Everyone here is thirsty for Medic for some reason-
@@titsoutforlusikka bruh, your name is litterally "Medic's Waifu" I think alot of us are thristy .,.
You also forgot to mention 2 additional passives that Medic has: his current health regen doubles if he heals an injured ally. Medic's medibeam also provides 50% duration reduction of most debuffs (jarate, mad milk, wetness, fire).
In the Army, the 68W's motto is "Do no harm, do know harm, I do harm."
The medic in TF2 definitely knows harm.
Mercy:just flies away Medic:SURFS ON LITERAL EXPLOSIONS
"Who does more healing?"
Me: "Yes"
Heavy does the most healing. He has a degree in Russian Literature
Medic, hes the best looking,video over nothing else to talk about and nothing to explain
I like how the thumbnail has the characters with their weapons out despite the video being about healing
Lmaoo
I personally think mercy's personality is 1 or 2
Yeah, its just mercy is nice
Mercy might need to heal herself from that burn
Honestly, as a person that plays Overwatch a lot, I hate Blizzard's writing. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Valve titles with brilliant writing, but yeah.
@E Lafon Yeah Idk I enjoy both TF2 and Overwatch comics. They both have their unique style. BTW Mercy is best girl.
@@delmer2389 still prefer pootis princess
"Mercy heals faster than Medic."
Medic: Haha, Quickfix go brrr
I've always felt that Mercy is closer to Medic with the Overdose and Quickfix loadout, you should probably compare these two.
Ah a fellow modern apex stranding apex 8 player who defiantly doesn’t play dead class based shooters anymore how do you do.
Sees enemy
Mercy : Flies away and camps for deaths she can immediately reverse, drawing out the game and punishing good moves from opponents
Medic : Hippety hoppity that 25% overcharge is now my property
Mercy : "You can't do that, healers reverse pain, not cause it!"
Medic : **Laughs in scammed the devil, brought Sniper back from 12 hour death, done several transplants while the patients were awake, and made one of his healing machines out of a garden hose and coffee maker. And it can **_still_** make coffee**
Medic: Nice health regen and movement speed mercy now it's my turn Fräulein
Equips amputator, overdose, kritkrieg, and most importantly equips a beard and his bare chest
Medic: oh that's a long healing beam
Equips crusader crossbow
Medic: oh you can fly
Equips quick fix and sticks with a demoman, demoknight (the quick fix also makes medic charge), and a soldier.
She is actually pretty hard to hit in the air if she knows what she's doing
@@LR_Bushido even though most mercy's just glide down and wait for their ult
MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC!
A simulation of what you hear when you're the only medic
Mercy:I can resurrect people
Medic: laugh’s in mvm
* LAUGHS IN NO COOL DOWN *
Mercy - Hippocratic Oath
Medic - Hippocratic _Suggestion_
As a heterosexual male I can confirm that medic is extraordinarily hot
to answer the real question of "who is sexier":
Medic
Duh
Medic can resurrect in MvM. You didn’t mention this but it’s worth noting.
3:19 TTK has literally the same amount of syllables as time to kill, but is a 100 times more confusing
Back when I played OW a bunch, medic just _felt_ like he healed more. Also medic sexiness 10/10
As a medic main, matching the speed of a faster target could save the game, lets say your heavy is pretty far away and taking heavy fire while you're respawning and your engie is either new or non existent, and you and a scout respawn at the same time or a multiple head demoknight comes back to retreat for whatever reason, you can heal them to get there much faster than normal and possibly save that heavy
(Yes I know I'm 3 years late, I don't care)
i think he forgot something...
ubersaw intensifies with the power of 1000 krits and the power of 4 dead spies
ubersaw crit go brr
12:02 I would just put angelic descent on a 2 since it pairs really well with "super-jumps" and without it pharah+mercy wouldn't be the thing it is. The damage amp is usefull but i still don't use it as much, I would also put it at a 2-3. Great video by the way!
There's a reason why few people use the BASE jumper. If you want mobility as a healer, somehow becoming a sitting duck doesn't seem appealing
At higher levels of play, the main and pretty much only purpose of mercy is to amp the damage of the dps heros (due to her low amounts of healing compared to other supports). A perfect comparison would be spy in highlander, where his main purpose is to gather intel rather than simply going for backstabs.
8:41 id just like to say i think medic defenitely wins with that bottom one
I had no idea about the crit healing mechanic. Good video man!
*Medic:* Is devoted to keeping you alive while still being a mad scientist.
*Mercy:* More concerned about her self while trying to be honorable.
Its like pottery, it rhymes.
But medic has something that mercy dont...
@@btsmember4072 A Burly beast cosmetic 😏
at least Medic actually dressed up like an actual doctor
Yeah-
Tf2 is a valuable game with each character different than the other
When it’s overwatch it feels like everything is getting recycled with little changes
Medic is vulnerable during 1v1s until the enemy makes the mistake of moving into Ubersaw critting distance.
The primary of medic its underrated as hell
If you can consistently hit Crusader's Crossbow shots, it actually outheals not just the Medigun but also Mercy, even at minimum distance from the target. That burst healing makes a huge difference in fights, too; it's like getting an Ana grenade that does more healing going by your ratio every 1.6 seconds, but for a single target.
Edit: further, the Amputator sort of changes everything if we're comparing theoretical healing maximums and not just standard healing rates. Say that you have a team of heavies who are all standing by you and they're at 1 HP. You'd be healing 275 HP per second since the aura affects all of them. Now say that they've been out of combat for 15 seconds: that's 825 HP per second. The taunt lasts 4.2 seconds, so at the absolute most extreme maximum, you could be healing up to 3,465 damage in just 4.2 seconds.
Both their sexiness is a 10/10. Change my mind.
fap/10
Medik has a flat chest and he ca squise tro smal spots
And he has a huge dick
Medic has *D E U T S C H E Q U A L I T A T E* on his side.
Nop meryc has 0/9999999
Medic wins 10/10
TF2 will be around in 10 years still.
Overwatch will not.
@@arbikverq9058 tf2 is very much alive I can't be bothered to explain why but if you want to watch big Joey slap-nuts' 'tf2 is not dying' video
@@arbikverq9058 that is all
@@arbikverq9058 although I agree with overwatch though
Overwatch is already dead so blizzards have to make a DLC called Overwatch 2
@@invrtd9409 and they ripoff mann vs machine in tf2
7:23 laughs in blutsauger and amputator
11:50 the quick fix can copy rocket jumps, sticky jumps and shield charges so well its more situational, but it can get you to the front lines really fast
Overwatch has a lower skill ceiling for single characters however probably has a similar, but slightly higher skill ceiling than tf2 due to the large cast
*laughs in almost 2000 possible loadouts, each changing how a class is played
(160 weapons/9 classes/3 slots is average of about 6 weapons per slot 6*6*6=216 combinations per class *9=1944 it's on average ok)
Laughs in movement mechanics beyond "press button, move in direction
I just love how mercy is the poster girl for OW R34.
Quite surprised you didn't speak about the quick fix. Sure the downside is pretty heavy, but i was interested in the fact if medic can go ahead of mercy flat rate (both in combat ) due to the upside of the quickfix
all the medic i run into have their ubersaw out
A german mad doctor that stuffs baboon embryos into his teammates and requires skill and good positioning to play as vs a generic angel chick that requires 1 button to heal and escape
@E Lafon and her being able to do that creates stalemates and slows games down, the opposite of that is ubercharge, which was specially designed to break stalemates and chokepoints... and medic can also resurrect people from the dead, but he doesn't need a fancy staff or a pair of angel wings to do that, all he needs is some blood and animal organs
I would say mercy has a higher skill ceiling because of things like super jumping, beam uptime and knowing when to use damage boost.
I main Mercy and a lot of newer Mercy’s tend to either not use these abilities or not take them into account.
Edit: Damage amp is one of the most impactful things Mercy has in her kit, especially with Valkyrie since she can give her whole team a damage boost.
(I still really enjoyed the video this is just a Mercy main’s brow on some of the stats)
In terms of impact, I'd give the resurrection like at least 4, imagine finally killing a very annoying enemy that was rolling your team after putting in a lot of effort just for them to get resed a second later
As a fan of both games, that tends to play Overwatch more. I really appreciate how fair you are in these videos.