Titan was a great surprise villain and a great foil for Megamind. Megamind himself is a showing for how anyone can be a hero while Hal is a reminder that anyone can be a villain. Very rare to have a movie show both of those ideas and do them this well.
Another hint of Hal's cowardice is that when MegaMind comes to see Hal before the transformation he says " Is is a Robbery? 'cause the lady across the hall has better stuff than me!'" the moment he thought he was in danger willing to throw someone else under the bus to save himself.
Just because you mention it, I like the fact that Metro-man is horrible at music, cause I enjoyed the thought of Metro-man reopening a personal aspect in his life and its struggles. Because you can see him playing a ukulele in the school at the beginning, so I’d think he enjoys that as a hobby of his as a kid, which probably means he dropped the hobby once he got older and/or started working as a hero. And after a tiring life that’s probably full of hollow victories, to things served to him on a silver platter because he’s superhuman, he found enjoyment in learning how to play guitar-whether it’s relearning or something new to him. He likes how challenging it is because it gives him a sense of purpose and normalcy, and once he perfects it, he’ll finally feel what true victory feels like.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time AND I NEVER NOTICED THAT!!! And your interpretation managed to improved the character even more for me, which is insane. Honestly, you made my week dude 🙌
I like the distinction that Hal doesn’t actually like Roxane, he likes with the idea of her. Because that feels like a good way to discern the incel that he is, from an awkward guy who’s just unlucky in dating (proper definition or not, Incel as a slang term feels more like an entitled attitude towards dating/romantic interests rather than simply a virgin guy). because no one who actually likes someone would act like this. If you like someone you can be bummed sure, but you should want them to be happy. (It’s more nuanced from this and I’m no expert, but you shouldn’t be angry at them for it, basically) All and all, cool analysis. I thought it was nice. 👍🏽
I totally agree! I think that when you get sad, it's because you didn't get something you wanted, whereas when you get mad, it's because you didn't get something you feel owed. Like, disappointment versus outrage, I guess
Incel means "involuntarily celibate," it's literally someone that has the attitude that they're a virgin against their will, aka a fundamentally entitled virgin.
I can feel a _little_ sorry for Hal - he's clearly faced bullying before - but it did not give him empathy for others who suffered like him, only made him envy and want to emulate the bullies. He's what some call a "victim-perp," the target of cruelty who becomes cruel himself.
This was a great video-- I'd like to add that another obstacle to the idea of Hal having any redeemability is his lack of self-awareness or empathy, putting everyone in so much risk and danger. I could maybe kind of get the sense that his choice to play games in his apartment could be seen as an attempt to return to the only life he knew how to lead as a means of self-soothing, but the way he stole that stuff and it was just sitting there as though he was bored with it showed that it was kind of like he took it like a trophy to show that he could get away with it. The only way he'd have had an off-ramp is if he'd chosen to lead a simpler lifestyle like Metro Man until he wrapped his head around it all, put a lot of self-reflection in and done the mental work, and done no harm in the meantime. I'm trying to work together a villain that has a reason to focus on a particular person for her own reasons after another project of hers fails. I'm learning that making a villain is surprisingly challenging because they have to start relatively normal and then find a seemingly 'natural' progression to God knows where by thinking/doing stuff that runs so counter to what any average person would consider, but without becoming Snydly Whiplash and oversimplified. These video essays really are very helpful to analyze these characters and situations and add context.
A sense of hopelessness is a great motivator to slowly break down one's rationalization and turn it into a weapon against one's self without even becoming aware that it has happened.
Hal’s the type of guy who believes that the world should owe him when he’s done nothing to deserve it. Look at Roxanne, Hal is in love with him, but she wants there relationship should just be professional. Hal thinks that if he was like Metro Man than Roxy would go out with him.
@@Geheimnis-c2eShe actually literally mentions in the movie that Metro Man was never her type. It’s the scene where her and Megamind (disguised as that one guy, I think his name is Bernard) are looking at the clouds and telling each other stories. She says everyone thought they were a thing but they weren’t and she was never into him.
I don't know if it's just me, but Eddie Brock from Spider-Man 3 and Hal Stewart have very similar personalities, as they are both outright vile, perverted, psychopathic, devious, spiteful, dishonorable, heartless, dishonest, and outright sadistic scumbags who are already horrible people even long before getting their powers.
Honestly Hals the interesting character between the two. Spiderman 3 seems to think that Eddie was actually done wrong in the movie and actually had a reason to hate Peter when really he didn't. Just another reason that movie was a disappointment.
Titan definitely suffers from extreme “Nice Guy syndrome” Because where a good person would respond to rejection as “I’d like you to be with me but if that won’t make you happy then i accept that” he acts all nice but throws a tantrum and gets violent when he doesn’t get what he wants
Did you know some "Nice Guys" to this day defend Tighten? I've seen so many of them blame everyone (Especially Roxanne) for how he ended up, that she should've just given him a change yadda yadda yadda, it's kind of funny, but also a little concerning.
@@dumbclownThat’s funny. As a woman, I once gave a nice guy/incel a chance because he seemed nice from the start and we liked lot of the same stuff. But I remember even before we dated he was very passive aggressive but I didn’t see the truly hateful side until we started dating. Anything I would do wrong in his eyes (hanging out with my friends too much, hanging out with my brother, joking around and him taking what I said too serious or getting mad when I wanted to go to sleep early) he would do all sorts of very vindictive things like giving me the silent treatment, threatening to hurt himself, saying super hurtful things about personal issues I had and just generally always being petty. He would also not pay much attention to me anyway and it seemed like he just used me for bragging rights to his friends and he would not ever do things I liked, it was always whatever he wanted to do or he would get mad at me. I guess he also got bored of me too because it ended when he cheated. No doubt in my mind that even if Roxanne gave Hal a chance, based on the way he acts and how little he seems to care about her in any way, he probably would treat her like shit.
@@dumbclownThat’s funny. As a woman, I once gave a nice guy/incel a chance because he seemed nice from the start and we liked lot of the same stuff. But I remember even before we dated he was very passive aggressive but I didn’t see the truly hateful side until we started dating. Anything I would do wrong in his eyes (hanging out with my friends too much, hanging out with my brother, joking around and him taking what I said too serious or getting mad when I wanted to go to sleep early) he would do all sorts of very vindictive things like giving me the silent treatment, threatening to hurt himself, saying super hurtful things about personal issues I had and just generally always being petty. He would also not pay much attention to me anyway and it seemed like he just used me for bragging rights to his friends and he would not ever do things I liked, it was always whatever he wanted to do or he would get mad at me. I guess he also got bored of me too because it ended when he cheated. No doubt in my mind that even if Roxanne gave Hal a chance, based on the way he acts and how little he seems to care about her in any way, he probably would treat her like shit.
@@dumbclown yeah that’s disturbing, if someone doesn’t love a person, that’s it. There’s this fantasy of film that your magic love will change or fix him into the perfect partner. if he’s abusive or you need to change him to be attractive to you, that’s not love folks.
I didn't particularly expect much from a video about a fictional villain other than learning about said villain, but I was so excited to learn about David Hawkin's chart of emotion! I had never heard of it before and it's so cool! It's like a different take on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I'll definitely be using this in my further research.
It's odd, but I'd consider Hal here to be a great example of what happens when you give an incel too much power. The difference between someone who's just unlucky in dating and/or having a hard time because of their appearance and an incel is very distinct. The former doesn't think they're owed anything. Sure, there's frustration, but they understand that people can make choices. They're not entitled to affection, love, or anything else. They're a normal person at their core. An incel on the other hand, believes they are deserving of love because of some nebulous "hardship" or "difficulty" and they are resentful of the society and world at large, simply because they can't get what they believe they're owed. Give one too much power, and they'll tear everything apart out of some vindictive desire for unfounded revenge.
@@helixsol7171 While that is the text book definition, the term has devolved into also meaning someone who believes they are entitled to sex, romance, and the status it would bring. The usage of words change over time.
@@helixsol7171 Also, even the classic definition supports the entitled viewpoint as the “involuntary” half of full phrase shifts blame away from the individual and onto some nebulous outside party.
It's wild that Hal is such a perfect mirror to podcast bro/incel culture despite Megamind coming out WELL BEFORE that type of manipulative content became so mainstream. There is a SCARY amount of men that would absolutely empathize with Hal in the modern day.
You got it wrong. "Redpill" and "podcast culture " tells men to NOT be Hal. To work on yourself and to take rejection gracefully. Its the "blue pilled" simps that turn into Hal that think that just because they "Do the right things" they will get the girl.
I love this analysis so much, when I become a children’s animator at Dreamworks or whatever just gonna be watching your vids to help with storyboard and quote you every time someone asks.
The second they said they needed a certain type of person to give the powers to, I knew Hal was it. He was the only other character other than the mayor/chief. Imagine if the chief had that power... no more crime and he'd be sweeping the grime off the streets himself every day I also just realized Titan was so lacking in brains and wanting to do things the lazy or difficult way then complain that it went wrong, that he spelled Titan the DIFFICULT way
Not just wrath, but all the other deadly sins too. Envy: He may not care much for being compared to Metroman, but he does compare himself to Mega-ah, I mean "Bernard." Lust: Sometimes the Envy goes with it, and that especially holds true with him. Thank Asmodeus that it didn't go the Homelander route with Roxanne... at least not fully. Pride: But he did inherit Homelander's sense of entitlement. He knew he was bad, he knew he was a villain and thought it made him cool. But he predicted the queen's death 11 years earlier so who am I to judge? Gluttony: Gotta give him props for having both abs AND a double chin somehow, though. Greed: Ok, robbing a bank? Reasonable. But a bike?? You can fly! What, are you trying to be like E.T. or somethin?? Sloth: I think what it comes down to is that he doesn't really make an effort to morally improve like Bernard does. He had to parody Donkey Kong to train him. And I'll even throw some Darwinism cause he STILL didn't know Minion was lying to him too. Props for caring about Space Stepmom though! See, Dreamworks? This is how you make a fun evil villain. More of that and less of the Doom Syndicate please!
I just realized his name is just a combination of the two main green lanterns in DC, Hal Jordan and John Stewart. I wonder what the idea was about the choice. I don't even thini Metroman and Megamind HAD names outside of their "gig" names.
Love this format for your videos. Definitely a great source of advice and inspiration for aspiring writers or just creatives in general. Keep up the great work.
That's why you have to shut down simps fast and hard, but respectfully, otherwise they start imagining things, or just stay there with hope they will eventually wear them down. Sadly, I know a lot of couples that's how it went down.
Tighten's key personality-defining scene is when Megamind is training him, and Megamind creates a training scenario with a Megamind mannequin. Tighten first clumsily clanks around, suggesting he doesn't have the self-control to properly contain his god-like gifts, but then brutally and wrathfully melts the face of the Megamind mannequin. This 2nd part is important because it demonstrates what Metro Man *could've* done at any moment in the years of their rivalry, but did not. This is because Metro Man (who represents an amalgamation of all superhero tropes, but mostly Superman) understood that just because you have the POWER to do something does not mean you have the RIGHT to do something. Tighten never understood that; he believed powers alone gave him the right of getting the girl, getting respect and adulation, and getting whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. Tighten's story is a beautiful parable that shows that power alone does not make the hero.
There's one thing about Tighten that I think people go overboard with. They always say he's a "nice guy". There's a video by the channel "Movie Madness" that talks about how he is a guy living in his parents' basement type character. All that said, he is great.
i love your videos! i hope you do a video on shrek forever after. rumplestiltskin is such a silly villain although i doubt he has enough depth to him for a video of this length
Hal feels inadequate and ashamed, and that is part of his motivation. He wants to prove that he is worthy and wants to show that he is a Nice Guy. But to him that is a role, and that role includes "the girl." When he gets rejected he can no longer fit that role, he simply gives up on the entire thing and acts like a petulant child. He is self-absorbed and sees others as props to hold him up and highlight his niceness. And you ask if rejection really is enough motivation for a man to act like this? Ask any woman, of course the answer is yes. We've all experienced dealing with a guy like this.
My Idea of Creating a Truly Wrathful and Enraged Character is to Establish a Society that refuses to accept the Talents of the Character who feels Entitled to Praise of their Exceptional Abilities and Qualities and so afterwards the Character turns their Resentment towards Society into Pure Wrath specifically towards those who get Acknowledgement and Respect yet he Doesn’t.
Hey! Step in the right direction that you recognize this. Start working on yourself and find some true passions! Writing, art, running, anything. It’s good for you and having something you’re passionate about makes you a better person and gives you a sense of pride about somethingz
Guys... Well you are right I guess it would be the easiest to go back to some dropped ones like volleyball Damm.. Still It is hard to get into something one ure past school
@ yeah, it can be hard, but I think a lot of people go through isolation when out of school as it’s harder to socialize. Try finding your local YMCA and doing community events! You can also find a brand new hobby.
@@essesilme1212 - Look even earlier, to when you were a kid. What things did you like doing that you were discouraged from doing? Did you like doing anything that someone told you wasn't "manly" enough? That's how the cultural brainwashing begins. Look back at your earliest memories of being fully "engaged" with something. Don't discount things like playing outside in mud, sculptors, potters, gardeners or wildlife experts can start that way. Coloring books? Painting, either art painting or house painting, or some kind of visual design, can grow out of that. Singing or humming? Many kids who like music are told they "can't carry a tune" when all they really need is practice. LEGO? Models? Architecture or mechanic interests, or a model-building hobby. Reading? Poetry? Skating? Joking around? Even watching TV or Movies can lead to wanting to write things or film or make videos or podcasts. Ask relatives or others who knew you as a kid, if you have any you can trust to be honest and kind. Look into the books of Barbara Sher, they're all about helping people find their lost passions.
So how would you help someone like Hal? It feels lazy to just say someone is beyond help, so how do you teach someone or inspire them to get passion or hobbies? Or are those things just intrinsic to the way a person's brain works, and if they don't feel those things naturally then they never will?
A passion or hobbies won't fix him, they might be a consequence of him growing up, but his problem is deeper than not having a passion. It's not inevitable either, he needs to grow up (learn how and why to treat himself and others better). That's incredibly hard to do alone though, we see nobody who actually cares about him. And someone who has already become like Hal is more inclined to hurt and push away the people who are most likely to help them. Being alone can force someone to grow up anyway, but not when he has a job and some illusion of sociality. Staying in his room is easy and pleasant. Changing is painful. Without someone else to care about him and stick with him even when it inevitably gets them hurt, he'll be unable to change. That is, until something terrible happens to the point he has to work just to get back to normal or comfortable. If it ever happens. Dealing with things like that is usually how people mature. So if he somehow managed to not get a life sentence, then getting his ass beat and powers rescinded and most likely fired could be the best thing that ever happens to him. Or not, if he keeps thinking like a victim and still never gets any friends.
Hot-take but Hal may be a surprisingly sad villain if we had more of his backstory. Much like syndrome in the Incredibles he was probably bullied as a kid. To those who have never been bullied before it can permanently affect your passive or active emotional states. Things like apathy or sociopathic tendencies can become quite common to the bullied depending on the level of torment and development after the fact. At the very least it can leave people feeling lonely and disconnected.
That’s how he spell his name because that’s how his name is Tighten y’know cuz the suit is tight that’s why it’s goes by Tighten but the way they pronounce it sounds like they’re saying Titan
"Could someone truly be this infuriated because a girl declined his invitation to a date?" Oh, sweet, sweet summer child. Yes. Yes they can. Often enough that it's a very common motive in many murder and missing persons cases. People that pathetic and disgusting are far more common than most would like to admit.
@@CordeliaWagner1999yeah it i keep thinking about the fact people agreed to the deal of having stable resources, safety and a CHANCE of getting your deepest desire granted so long as it couldn't end wrong but nooo for some reason stealing someone's life's work is fine so long as it benefits the most vocal lol
OKAY I HAVVE TO ASK im writting my own show my own animated show and i'm really confused on whatt type of villain i should have i don't wannna be cliche
How about a villain who feels betrayed by the hero who was supposed to be his friend when in reality he was just a horrible person that's why he was "betrayed"
Consider a villain with extreme gluttony whose backstory is that they lost everything they cared for from a governmental seize of property and left them confined to isolation. To avoid any feelings of misery that haunts them, the villain systematically amasses a vast amount of resources by any means necessary. Basically sets up a situation where they everything from everyone. Their motive is to permanently end their misery and to display their pent up pain to all who have and will oppose them. Ill leave the rest to you.
I am weak but Christ in me is strong. I am foolish but Christ in me is weis. I am not pastient but Christ in me is pastient. I am a sinner but Christ in me is not a sinner. I am lazy but Christ in me is not lazy.
Hahaha well, Hal was of course meticulously crafted for this movie. If we were to make a video about fixing him, the movie itself wouldn't have had the villain we all know today
@@ozaiozadoHal has no one who believes in him, but also nobody to challenge him. Either one could've forced him to grow up. If you want to change that's a necessary first step but if you don't also have someone who will support you AND never accept "I give up", odds are you won't make it. Changing is painful and sitting still, or going back to the same old thing is easy, especially when everybody else expects nothing from you. You should be very grateful if you have a person like that and very careful not to drive someone like that away. The other option is even more painful, but doesn't require someone else, if you're physically able to handle it. If no one else will force you to grow up you can have the world do it instead but it's dangerous and difficult. You could find something to really challenge yourself, and do it in a way you can't back down. e.g. quit your job and don't let anyone pay for anything for you and force yourself to start from scratch getting a job, moving if necessary, renting the cheapest place you can find if necessary. doing a job where the place to stay comes with it, oil rig maybe? Whatever you do burn the bridge behind you so that giving up isn't an option, give away your stuff you use to pass the time, move out if you're staying with family, whatever your situation requires. That doesn't mean never accept help, just eliminate the option of staying the same. You can do it, it'll hurt, but you can still do it. and if you do it'll definitely be worth it.
Okay, but where's the point of the video? What makes Tighten such a compelling or such a good wrathful villain, as opposed other, more well-known wrathful villains? Villains like Claude Frollo, Sauron, Freeze, Syndrome, or Ramses II are all extremely wrathful, and to varying degrees are irredeemable in their own right? Hell you don't even go into the Nice-Guy Incel nature of Hal/Tighten. You have your point man, make it.
wam, the part where he lazers titan onto the city that I know remember different, he actually spelled it "TITANVILLE" is the tightenville thing real or an edit?
Why is people calling "Titan" as "Tighten"? I think the title is miswrote, is there any other dub that calls him Tighten?? Do people not know his name is TITAN and not TIGHTEN?? Edit: it seems like i am a dumbass and i have been wrong this entire time, sorry guys.
read Titan and Tighten again and then think about why people call him that even TIGHTEN himself calls himself Tighten, as seen by the laser vision writing on the city.
There is no tooth fairy
There is no easter bunny
And there is no megamind 2
And there is no war in Ba Sing Se.
I mean we got Megamind from wish for a show
@@Transformersfan-o6i We don't talk about that.
There’s no sequel to Pacific rim
@@kyoyaootori1104 there is no war in ba sing se
Titan was a great surprise villain and a great foil for Megamind. Megamind himself is a showing for how anyone can be a hero while Hal is a reminder that anyone can be a villain.
Very rare to have a movie show both of those ideas and do them this well.
you mean tighten?
Another hint of Hal's cowardice is that when MegaMind comes to see Hal before the transformation he says " Is is a Robbery? 'cause the lady across the hall has better stuff than me!'" the moment he thought he was in danger willing to throw someone else under the bus to save himself.
Just because you mention it, I like the fact that Metro-man is horrible at music, cause I enjoyed the thought of Metro-man reopening a personal aspect in his life and its struggles.
Because you can see him playing a ukulele in the school at the beginning, so I’d think he enjoys that as a hobby of his as a kid, which probably means he dropped the hobby once he got older and/or started working as a hero.
And after a tiring life that’s probably full of hollow victories, to things served to him on a silver platter because he’s superhuman, he found enjoyment in learning how to play guitar-whether it’s relearning or something new to him. He likes how challenging it is because it gives him a sense of purpose and normalcy, and once he perfects it, he’ll finally feel what true victory feels like.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time AND I NEVER NOTICED THAT!!!
And your interpretation managed to improved the character even more for me, which is insane. Honestly, you made my week dude 🙌
That song he played to Megamind and Roxanne is most likely a working song. Besides, he must have already written other good songs
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@@Xen_IV that's such a great observation!
Tighten is what happens when you give powers to a spineless coward who has homicidal tendencies.
Titan
What are you tightening
as the old saying goes: "power doesn't corrupt, it reveals"
Good people rejects power.
Power doesn't corrupt, hunger for power does.
I like the distinction that Hal doesn’t actually like Roxane, he likes with the idea of her. Because that feels like a good way to discern the incel that he is, from an awkward guy who’s just unlucky in dating (proper definition or not, Incel as a slang term feels more like an entitled attitude towards dating/romantic interests rather than simply a virgin guy). because no one who actually likes someone would act like this. If you like someone you can be bummed sure, but you should want them to be happy. (It’s more nuanced from this and I’m no expert, but you shouldn’t be angry at them for it, basically)
All and all, cool analysis. I thought it was nice. 👍🏽
I totally agree! I think that when you get sad, it's because you didn't get something you wanted, whereas when you get mad, it's because you didn't get something you feel owed. Like, disappointment versus outrage, I guess
Incel means "involuntarily celibate," it's literally someone that has the attitude that they're a virgin against their will, aka a fundamentally entitled virgin.
Tighten "There is no tooth fairy. There is no Easter Bunny. And there is no Queen of England."
2022:
He was right all along!
@@Piratewaffle43😔
Long live King Charles III
Bruh
It's been 2 years already? Man...
I can feel a _little_ sorry for Hal - he's clearly faced bullying before - but it did not give him empathy for others who suffered like him, only made him envy and want to emulate the bullies. He's what some call a "victim-perp," the target of cruelty who becomes cruel himself.
This was a great video-- I'd like to add that another obstacle to the idea of Hal having any redeemability is his lack of self-awareness or empathy, putting everyone in so much risk and danger. I could maybe kind of get the sense that his choice to play games in his apartment could be seen as an attempt to return to the only life he knew how to lead as a means of self-soothing, but the way he stole that stuff and it was just sitting there as though he was bored with it showed that it was kind of like he took it like a trophy to show that he could get away with it. The only way he'd have had an off-ramp is if he'd chosen to lead a simpler lifestyle like Metro Man until he wrapped his head around it all, put a lot of self-reflection in and done the mental work, and done no harm in the meantime.
I'm trying to work together a villain that has a reason to focus on a particular person for her own reasons after another project of hers fails. I'm learning that making a villain is surprisingly challenging because they have to start relatively normal and then find a seemingly 'natural' progression to God knows where by thinking/doing stuff that runs so counter to what any average person would consider, but without becoming Snydly Whiplash and oversimplified. These video essays really are very helpful to analyze these characters and situations and add context.
A sense of hopelessness is a great motivator to slowly break down one's rationalization and turn it into a weapon against one's self without even becoming aware that it has happened.
Hal’s the type of guy who believes that the world should owe him when he’s done nothing to deserve it. Look at Roxanne, Hal is in love with him, but she wants there relationship should just be professional. Hal thinks that if he was like Metro Man than Roxy would go out with him.
the funny thing is Roxanne probably isn't into Metroman. there was no implication for her to do so except be the representation of Lois Lane
@@Geheimnis-c2eShe actually literally mentions in the movie that Metro Man was never her type. It’s the scene where her and Megamind (disguised as that one guy, I think his name is Bernard) are looking at the clouds and telling each other stories. She says everyone thought they were a thing but they weren’t and she was never into him.
I don't know if it's just me, but Eddie Brock from Spider-Man 3 and Hal Stewart have very similar personalities, as they are both outright vile, perverted, psychopathic, devious, spiteful, dishonorable, heartless, dishonest, and outright sadistic scumbags who are already horrible people even long before getting their powers.
Hal isn't really that more he's just an incel
Honestly Hals the interesting character between the two. Spiderman 3 seems to think that Eddie was actually done wrong in the movie and actually had a reason to hate Peter when really he didn't.
Just another reason that movie was a disappointment.
Titan definitely suffers from extreme “Nice Guy syndrome”
Because where a good person would respond to rejection as “I’d like you to be with me but if that won’t make you happy then i accept that”
he acts all nice but throws a tantrum and gets violent when he doesn’t get what he wants
Did you know some "Nice Guys" to this day defend Tighten? I've seen so many of them blame everyone (Especially Roxanne) for how he ended up, that she should've just given him a change yadda yadda yadda, it's kind of funny, but also a little concerning.
@@dumbclownThat’s funny. As a woman, I once gave a nice guy/incel a chance because he seemed nice from the start and we liked lot of the same stuff.
But I remember even before we dated he was very passive aggressive but I didn’t see the truly hateful side until we started dating.
Anything I would do wrong in his eyes (hanging out with my friends too much, hanging out with my brother, joking around and him taking what I said too serious or getting mad when I wanted to go to sleep early) he would do all sorts of very vindictive things like giving me the silent treatment, threatening to hurt himself, saying super hurtful things about personal issues I had and just generally always being petty.
He would also not pay much attention to me anyway and it seemed like he just used me for bragging rights to his friends and he would not ever do things I liked, it was always whatever he wanted to do or he would get mad at me.
I guess he also got bored of me too because it ended when he cheated.
No doubt in my mind that even if Roxanne gave Hal a chance, based on the way he acts and how little he seems to care about her in any way, he probably would treat her like shit.
@@dumbclownThat’s funny. As a woman, I once gave a nice guy/incel a chance because he seemed nice from the start and we liked lot of the same stuff.
But I remember even before we dated he was very passive aggressive but I didn’t see the truly hateful side until we started dating.
Anything I would do wrong in his eyes (hanging out with my friends too much, hanging out with my brother, joking around and him taking what I said too serious or getting mad when I wanted to go to sleep early) he would do all sorts of very vindictive things like giving me the silent treatment, threatening to hurt himself, saying super hurtful things about personal issues I had and just generally always being petty.
He would also not pay much attention to me anyway and it seemed like he just used me for bragging rights to his friends and he would not ever do things I liked, it was always whatever he wanted to do or he would get mad at me.
I guess he also got bored of me too because it ended when he cheated.
No doubt in my mind that even if Roxanne gave Hal a chance, based on the way he acts and how little he seems to care about her in any way, he probably would treat her like shit.
@@dumbclown yeah that’s disturbing, if someone doesn’t love a person, that’s it.
There’s this fantasy of film that your magic love will change or fix him into the perfect partner.
if he’s abusive or you need to change him to be attractive to you, that’s not love folks.
I didn't particularly expect much from a video about a fictional villain other than learning about said villain, but I was so excited to learn about David Hawkin's chart of emotion! I had never heard of it before and it's so cool! It's like a different take on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I'll definitely be using this in my further research.
It's odd, but I'd consider Hal here to be a great example of what happens when you give an incel too much power.
The difference between someone who's just unlucky in dating and/or having a hard time because of their appearance and an incel is very distinct.
The former doesn't think they're owed anything. Sure, there's frustration, but they understand that people can make choices. They're not entitled to affection, love, or anything else. They're a normal person at their core.
An incel on the other hand, believes they are deserving of love because of some nebulous "hardship" or "difficulty" and they are resentful of the society and world at large, simply because they can't get what they believe they're owed.
Give one too much power, and they'll tear everything apart out of some vindictive desire for unfounded revenge.
More like giving power to an entitled guy in general, it doesn't strictly apply to incels.
Tighten is what happens when you give power to an incel.
Not all incels are horrible, rageful people. Incel just means involuntarily celibate, that's all.
The Incel community changed the meaning to agressively ha tin g women. With their behaviour towards women.
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While that is the text book definition, the term has devolved into also meaning someone who believes they are entitled to sex, romance, and the status it would bring. The usage of words change over time.
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Also, even the classic definition supports the entitled viewpoint as the “involuntary” half of full phrase shifts blame away from the individual and onto some nebulous outside party.
This is what happens when you give admin’s permission to your two-year-old cousin on a discord server
His name is what I do to my wheel bolts when it gets loosened.
Gotta turn that to the right
I wouldn't so much say that Tighten was a wrathful villain as much as he was an envious villain
I feel like titan is such a perfect example of the fact that being a loser is a choice that you actively make
But l am a loser even though l didn't even choice like l actively have a real life
@@ZachLn-oo4muI think they meant a different kind of loser: an obsessed creep
@@ZachLn-oo4mu same here
@@ZachLn-oo4mu you choose to call yourself a loser in this comment
You chose to do nothing about it@@ZachLn-oo4mu
It's wild that Hal is such a perfect mirror to podcast bro/incel culture despite Megamind coming out WELL BEFORE that type of manipulative content became so mainstream. There is a SCARY amount of men that would absolutely empathize with Hal in the modern day.
Andrew Tighten, for example.
And they _do._ I've had arguments with them in the comments of _Megamind_ videos.
You got it wrong. "Redpill" and "podcast culture " tells men to NOT be Hal. To work on yourself and to take rejection gracefully. Its the "blue pilled" simps that turn into Hal that think that just because they "Do the right things" they will get the girl.
I love this analysis so much, when I become a children’s animator at Dreamworks or whatever just gonna be watching your vids to help with storyboard and quote you every time someone asks.
The second they said they needed a certain type of person to give the powers to, I knew Hal was it. He was the only other character other than the mayor/chief. Imagine if the chief had that power... no more crime and he'd be sweeping the grime off the streets himself every day
I also just realized Titan was so lacking in brains and wanting to do things the lazy or difficult way then complain that it went wrong, that he spelled Titan the DIFFICULT way
finally, videos that give super villains some attention.
Tighten is a villain, but he's no super villain
Not just wrath, but all the other deadly sins too.
Envy: He may not care much for being compared to Metroman, but he does compare himself to Mega-ah, I mean "Bernard."
Lust: Sometimes the Envy goes with it, and that especially holds true with him. Thank Asmodeus that it didn't go the Homelander route with Roxanne... at least not fully.
Pride: But he did inherit Homelander's sense of entitlement. He knew he was bad, he knew he was a villain and thought it made him cool. But he predicted the queen's death 11 years earlier so who am I to judge?
Gluttony: Gotta give him props for having both abs AND a double chin somehow, though.
Greed: Ok, robbing a bank? Reasonable. But a bike?? You can fly! What, are you trying to be like E.T. or somethin??
Sloth: I think what it comes down to is that he doesn't really make an effort to morally improve like Bernard does. He had to parody Donkey Kong to train him.
And I'll even throw some Darwinism cause he STILL didn't know Minion was lying to him too. Props for caring about Space Stepmom though!
See, Dreamworks? This is how you make a fun evil villain. More of that and less of the Doom Syndicate please!
4:16 "I wanna brake it down for you..."
*starts showing Benson dancing gif
By metro city of course you mean metrocity
Hal is the average incel given superpowers. Think about the ramifications of that.
He was actually kinda scary in the end cause you know he really doesn't have any mercy.
4:17 *starts break dancing*
Idc what the haters say. *Megamind* deserves a sequel.
Technically he got one, but it was awful.
I'm gonna hold your balls when I tell you this...
@@GrapeGamer7what sequel?
Isn't there already one?
I just realized his name is just a combination of the two main green lanterns in DC, Hal Jordan and John Stewart.
I wonder what the idea was about the choice. I don't even thini Metroman and Megamind HAD names outside of their "gig" names.
Love this format for your videos. Definitely a great source of advice and inspiration for aspiring writers or just creatives in general. Keep up the great work.
That's why you have to shut down simps fast and hard, but respectfully, otherwise they start imagining things, or just stay there with hope they will eventually wear them down. Sadly, I know a lot of couples that's how it went down.
Simp becoming super human, what can go wrong 😂
He’s an incel, not a simp.
I believe the name Hal Steward is a reference to Green Lantern. A combo of Hal Jordan and John Steward. "There are no accidents."
Love your videos man
Just noticed some great foreshadowing when Hal holds up the magazine! 8:16
Mega mind is a staggeringly good film. Years later we keep finding more reasons to love it
Unfortunately, we also find more reasons to burn the sequel.
@VyHuynh202177 what sequel? 😂
I mean Titan DOES have some revelance today, more so in memes though
Tighten is male entitlement given superpowers. and its terrifying
i can't understand how you still didn't crack the 1000k
Tighten's key personality-defining scene is when Megamind is training him, and Megamind creates a training scenario with a Megamind mannequin. Tighten first clumsily clanks around, suggesting he doesn't have the self-control to properly contain his god-like gifts, but then brutally and wrathfully melts the face of the Megamind mannequin.
This 2nd part is important because it demonstrates what Metro Man *could've* done at any moment in the years of their rivalry, but did not. This is because Metro Man (who represents an amalgamation of all superhero tropes, but mostly Superman) understood that just because you have the POWER to do something does not mean you have the RIGHT to do something. Tighten never understood that; he believed powers alone gave him the right of getting the girl, getting respect and adulation, and getting whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.
Tighten's story is a beautiful parable that shows that power alone does not make the hero.
I remembered this man for years
So, no one's gonna talk about how Roxanne's head is bigger than the rest of her body? 😂
She's an animated character. That's not uncommon.
I wouldn't mind seeing you cover Doctor Octopus. From Spider-Man 2.
I always hated how Hal couldn't spell Titan.
There's one thing about Tighten that I think people go overboard with. They always say he's a "nice guy". There's a video by the channel "Movie Madness" that talks about how he is a guy living in his parents' basement type character. All that said, he is great.
i love your videos! i hope you do a video on shrek forever after. rumplestiltskin is such a silly villain although i doubt he has enough depth to him for a video of this length
Hal feels inadequate and ashamed, and that is part of his motivation. He wants to prove that he is worthy and wants to show that he is a Nice Guy. But to him that is a role, and that role includes "the girl." When he gets rejected he can no longer fit that role, he simply gives up on the entire thing and acts like a petulant child. He is self-absorbed and sees others as props to hold him up and highlight his niceness. And you ask if rejection really is enough motivation for a man to act like this? Ask any woman, of course the answer is yes. We've all experienced dealing with a guy like this.
when the video insults the villain, that's when you know he's misreable
Let’s give this guy a round of applause for his amazing thumbnails!
I mean.... You gotta stick to your style. Do you have any suggestions?
Hal hath no fury like a Titan scorned.
So... What you're saying is, that Hal/Titan, is Chris-chan but with superpowers.
also when we see Hal knocked out we see him reading a book of evil and a poster of rocksan in his apartment.
My Idea of Creating a Truly Wrathful and Enraged Character is to Establish a Society that refuses to accept the Talents of the Character who feels Entitled to Praise of their Exceptional Abilities and Qualities and so afterwards the Character turns their Resentment towards Society into Pure Wrath specifically towards those who get Acknowledgement and Respect yet he Doesn’t.
Im beginging to have some daubts about myslef now, due to having a lot of symphaty for the guy
I just hope i dont get powers anytime soon
take up a hobby and self-development, no superpowers will give you
Hey! Step in the right direction that you recognize this. Start working on yourself and find some true passions! Writing, art, running, anything. It’s good for you and having something you’re passionate about makes you a better person and gives you a sense of pride about somethingz
Guys...
Well you are right
I guess it would be the easiest to go back to some dropped ones like volleyball
Damm..
Still It is hard to get into something one ure past school
@ yeah, it can be hard, but I think a lot of people go through isolation when out of school as it’s harder to socialize.
Try finding your local YMCA and doing community events! You can also find a brand new hobby.
@@essesilme1212 - Look even earlier, to when you were a kid. What things did you like doing that you were discouraged from doing? Did you like doing anything that someone told you wasn't "manly" enough? That's how the cultural brainwashing begins. Look back at your earliest memories of being fully "engaged" with something. Don't discount things like playing outside in mud, sculptors, potters, gardeners or wildlife experts can start that way. Coloring books? Painting, either art painting or house painting, or some kind of visual design, can grow out of that. Singing or humming? Many kids who like music are told they "can't carry a tune" when all they really need is practice. LEGO? Models? Architecture or mechanic interests, or a model-building hobby. Reading? Poetry? Skating? Joking around? Even watching TV or Movies can lead to wanting to write things or film or make videos or podcasts. Ask relatives or others who knew you as a kid, if you have any you can trust to be honest and kind.
Look into the books of Barbara Sher, they're all about helping people find their lost passions.
Tighten is a menace based on his actions similar to Homelander.
So how would you help someone like Hal? It feels lazy to just say someone is beyond help, so how do you teach someone or inspire them to get passion or hobbies? Or are those things just intrinsic to the way a person's brain works, and if they don't feel those things naturally then they never will?
A passion or hobbies won't fix him, they might be a consequence of him growing up, but his problem is deeper than not having a passion.
It's not inevitable either, he needs to grow up (learn how and why to treat himself and others better). That's incredibly hard to do alone though, we see nobody who actually cares about him. And someone who has already become like Hal is more inclined to hurt and push away the people who are most likely to help them. Being alone can force someone to grow up anyway, but not when he has a job and some illusion of sociality. Staying in his room is easy and pleasant. Changing is painful. Without someone else to care about him and stick with him even when it inevitably gets them hurt, he'll be unable to change. That is, until something terrible happens to the point he has to work just to get back to normal or comfortable. If it ever happens. Dealing with things like that is usually how people mature.
So if he somehow managed to not get a life sentence, then getting his ass beat and powers rescinded and most likely fired could be the best thing that ever happens to him. Or not, if he keeps thinking like a victim and still never gets any friends.
Guess now we need Cornhead Killer, the best real villain.
anyone else watch this and think, “wow, I’m hal”
"Tightened" my fist when i saw the title😂
No one asks to exist. Especially not people of wrath
Hot-take but Hal may be a surprisingly sad villain if we had more of his backstory. Much like syndrome in the Incredibles he was probably bullied as a kid. To those who have never been bullied before it can permanently affect your passive or active emotional states. Things like apathy or sociopathic tendencies can become quite common to the bullied depending on the level of torment and development after the fact. At the very least it can leave people feeling lonely and disconnected.
No, that is a fair perspective
there is no tooth fairy
there is no easter bunny
AND THERE ARE NO MEGAMIND HATERS! (that should be left alive)
That’s how he spell his name because that’s how his name is Tighten y’know cuz the suit is tight that’s why it’s goes by Tighten but the way they pronounce it sounds like they’re saying Titan
Who could forget tighten
He reminds me a lot of Harold Lauder from the stand 😂
"Could someone truly be this infuriated because a girl declined his invitation to a date?" Oh, sweet, sweet summer child. Yes. Yes they can. Often enough that it's a very common motive in many murder and missing persons cases. People that pathetic and disgusting are far more common than most would like to admit.
Titan is the best 👍 villain ever 😅😊
Can you make a video about Magnifico from Disney's "Wish"? Everything about that stupid movie sucks, and it has the WORST villain i've ever seen. 😓💔💢
He isn't the Villain. He is the good guy till the story goes from ____ to even ________.
@@CordeliaWagner1999yeah it i keep thinking about the fact people agreed to the deal of having stable resources, safety and a CHANCE of getting your deepest desire granted so long as it couldn't end wrong but nooo for some reason stealing someone's life's work is fine so long as it benefits the most vocal lol
On it right now! Should be up later this week
@@ToonOfficialYT YAY! ❤️
Magnifico is the hero. Asha is the villain of that movie.
OKAY I HAVVE TO ASK im writting my own show my own animated show and i'm really confused on whatt type of villain i should have i don't wannna be cliche
How about a villain who feels betrayed by the hero who was supposed to be his friend when in reality he was just a horrible person that's why he was "betrayed"
@ hasn't that been done a whole lot before
Consider a villain with extreme gluttony whose backstory is that they lost everything they cared for from a governmental seize of property and left them confined to isolation. To avoid any feelings of misery that haunts them, the villain systematically amasses a vast amount of resources by any means necessary. Basically sets up a situation where they everything from everyone. Their motive is to permanently end their misery and to display their pent up pain to all who have and will oppose them. Ill leave the rest to you.
How To Write a Wrathful Villain - Tighten (Megamind) uh im sorry "titan"
Hal suffers from good guy syndrome
Is this the first time I’m realizing his name is tighten instead of titan?
I am weak but Christ in me is strong.
I am foolish but Christ in me is weis.
I am not pastient but Christ in me is pastient.
I am a sinner but Christ in me is not a sinner.
I am lazy but Christ in me is not lazy.
I... I have to work on myself.
Imagine hal & manny switching places?
Fuck bro... this video makes me realize I AM HAL .... fuck
holy crap im a piece of shit... make a video "fixing hal" plz
Hahaha well, Hal was of course meticulously crafted for this movie. If we were to make a video about fixing him, the movie itself wouldn't have had the villain we all know today
@@ozaiozadoHal has no one who believes in him, but also nobody to challenge him. Either one could've forced him to grow up. If you want to change that's a necessary first step but if you don't also have someone who will support you AND never accept "I give up", odds are you won't make it. Changing is painful and sitting still, or going back to the same old thing is easy, especially when everybody else expects nothing from you. You should be very grateful if you have a person like that and very careful not to drive someone like that away.
The other option is even more painful, but doesn't require someone else, if you're physically able to handle it. If no one else will force you to grow up you can have the world do it instead but it's dangerous and difficult. You could find something to really challenge yourself, and do it in a way you can't back down. e.g. quit your job and don't let anyone pay for anything for you and force yourself to start from scratch getting a job, moving if necessary, renting the cheapest place you can find if necessary. doing a job where the place to stay comes with it, oil rig maybe?
Whatever you do burn the bridge behind you so that giving up isn't an option, give away your stuff you use to pass the time, move out if you're staying with family, whatever your situation requires. That doesn't mean never accept help, just eliminate the option of staying the same.
You can do it, it'll hurt, but you can still do it. and if you do it'll definitely be worth it.
I... can't believe his name is spelled "Tighten" TF man, at least make it cool.
Sooo he’s an incel… got it.
Why this video calling me out so hard?
Okay, but where's the point of the video? What makes Tighten such a compelling or such a good wrathful villain, as opposed other, more well-known wrathful villains? Villains like Claude Frollo, Sauron, Freeze, Syndrome, or Ramses II are all extremely wrathful, and to varying degrees are irredeemable in their own right? Hell you don't even go into the Nice-Guy Incel nature of Hal/Tighten. You have your point man, make it.
wam, the part where he lazers titan onto the city that I know remember different, he actually spelled it "TITANVILLE" is the tightenville thing real or an edit?
Really hope major animation companies do more superhero films!
Oh god please no
No more superheros PLEASE we need a break
@Brex10 I'm down for some original ones--ESPRCIALLY if Disney did a musical (in a noncomedic, nonironic way).
BECAUSE HE'S ENTITLED
Plz do Anakin
0:32 whaddya mean tough character to recall?
Can you make a video about sir axle rod from cars 2
How is Megamind getting new reviews
I thought his name was Titan
Tnx For 10 subscribers 😢
Can you do one about the villain from turbo pleeeeeeease.
Fuck that's me
Do one on Darth Vader please
Holy shit, you managed to extend this video as much as possible...
can you make a video on how NOT to write a twist villain with Zootpoia's: Asst. Mayor Belleweather?
The way you spelled his name is bothering me more than it should 😭
Do Davy Jones from pirstes of the carrabien
Tighten is an S rank Simp crashout.
Why is people calling "Titan" as "Tighten"? I think the title is miswrote, is there any other dub that calls him Tighten?? Do people not know his name is TITAN and not TIGHTEN??
Edit: it seems like i am a dumbass and i have been wrong this entire time, sorry guys.
read Titan and Tighten again and then think about why people call him that
even TIGHTEN himself calls himself Tighten, as seen by the laser vision writing on the city.
7:55
@@Geheimnis-c2e i am so confused, I have been wrong all this time??? dayum
He calls HIMSELF Tighten 🤣