If you’re ever injured in an accident, you can check out Morgan & Morgan. You can submit a claim in 8 clicks or less without having to leave your couch. For more information, go to www.forthepeople.com/RyeToast What do you think of part 3 of the Game Theory timeline? Want to join a growing horror gaming community? Click here! bit.ly/3bD1O0c Timestamps: 00:00 Preheating 00:38 Where do my opinions of the timeline differ? 02:02 What assumptions/evidence does Game Theory use? 05:19 Morgan and Morgan Ad 06:44 What could allow Michael to go to FNAF 2 pre-SL? 07:49 WHO was the victim of the Bite of '87? 09:36 When does FNAF 1 happen? 10:40 Why does Michael go to the Sister Location? 12:18 So WHAT ARE the dates of the FNAF Timeline? 15:45 A Dated mid-section of the FNAF Timeline 18:13 Letting it cool
Making a FNaF Timeline is like trying to combine multiple different jigsaw puzzles into one. There is no way that everything will fit. There has to be cutting, gluing, taking pieces from other puzzles and making your own pieces just to get something that even resembles a finished puzzle. Everyone will get different solutions because there is no solution anymore.
@@RyeToast That is true; however there can only be one true timeline. Like either something happened at one point or it happened at another point in time: This is similar to how religion is, many people try to find the correct answer however they either one or the other is wrong or they are both wrong. Like if I was to buy a soda at the store there is only one type of soda one store and time when it occurred; it cannot be something entirely different. Scott knows/ is the “brain” of the universe I would use all direct information from him as he is the source of the truth about what happens and it is the community’s job to figure it out.
One part of me misses the simpler times, when it was all about haunted animatronics, with dead children in them and another part of me kinda likes how crazy things have gotten.
where the most "out there" theory we had was that fnaf 1 and 2's protagonist was a robot fazbear enterntianment was testing to try to cut costs on hireing humans and they intentionally made the bots come after you as negative feedback for not working good enough ......and nowerdays that sort of plot twist would seem very basic for fnaf
I'm willing to bet the whole "Michael turning into a zombie" WAS meant by Scott to tie into the "fired for odor" joke. However if this where to be the case, it throws i HUGE wrench into the timeline, therefore i think it's best if we choose to ignore it. Mike is just smelly 24/7, before AND after turning into a zombie.
@@RyeToast I think it might have been that + leaning more into the "getting elbow-deep in unwashed animatronics, that had rotting corpses inside, while tampering with them"?
@@Takejiro24 Not really, *HIGH* odds it's the FNAF 2 minigame where Charlie died. It says to save HIM. Yet we know now the child is Female. It should be saying Save HER.
I would personally place fnaf 1 and 2 before Sister Location and make it so Michael sees what happens during midnight motorist, in order to give him a motive to go there in the first place
Ya know, things have a really blurry place to just put in in a specific place. Therefore, as long as you put in specific pieces here and there, then you have a logical timeline.
The timeline feels like a puzzle and having some pieces made of silly putty. Sure they can fit in one place but still fit in another if you rework it a bit.
Just wanted to say thanks for always being respectful of others’ theories, even if you don’t 100% agree with them! I think the theory crafting side of the fan base can get a little intense sometimes, so your videos are always a nice change of pace ☺️
I definitely have been enjoying watching MatPat make these videos over a complicated series. Although I'm not FNAF theorist I definitely like how he's and the rest of the team are putting in their all with this series. Making it feel like an actual story rather than just This happened first and then this happened after. I also like your critique of his videos so far. I like to see other people's opinions on this timeline. FNAF is definitely a complex series with many questions that still need to be answered. But overall I like it. Also sidenote is that when it comes to these types of critique videos I enjoy them when people aren't just hating on Game Theory for trying to make a cohesive narrative timeline. Because really it's a complicated series that has many ways of interpreting it. If that makes sense. Stay Toasty Rye!!! Also congrats on both your new baby coming soon and 100k!! You deserve it. 👍
15:06 A little correction here just to clear some things up, Rye. We actually do know when the first Freddy's opened. A Faz-Coin in Help Wanted states Freddy Fazbear's Pizza was established in 1983. So, the night 1 phone call in FNAF 1 HAS to take place in 2003 if Phone Guy is being exact with 20 years. But, overall, it's a great video, and I can't wait to see your reaction to MatPat's 4th video.
@RyeToast It doesn't completely mess with your timeline, however. As we know, PG has a tendency to lie....a lot. Like, a lot a lot lol So, it is possible he's not entirely telling the truth and rounding up to 20 years, so it is possible he placed that call in 1998 as it's not entirely unreasonable to round 15 up to 20. The only problem would be Scott's placement of FNAF3 as 30 years after Freddy's closes officially, but that's never stated in canon and only in FNAF3's game summary, so it is still possible for FNAF3 to take place in 2023.
@@RyeToastDon’t forget Freddy’s pizza and Fredbears pizza are considered different. This leaves room as in 1983, would be the first freddy’s but before that it would be called Fredbear’s.
I’d like to think that maybe what phone guy meant was that Fredbear’s opened 20 years before FNaF 1, as in “singing those same stupid songs for 20 years” means since the company was established. 1978 was the most logical date of Fredbear’s opening that I always thought that anyway.
The idea that Michael was the victim of the Bite of 87 actually makes sense, and I'm not sure how nobody ever thought of that. And the idea that the Toy Animatronics were the Funtime's rather than the Fnaf 1 animatronics is an interesting thought and actually fits in better with the narrative timeline Love this video! It introduced ideas and concepts that made me pause the video and think for a few seconds, but not in a bad way. Still a bit iffy on the placement of Sister Location, though. I'm not sure whether to think Sister Location takes place before both Fnaf 1 and 2 (like Matpat says) or if it takes place after both Fnaf 1 and 2. But Sister Location taking place in-between Fnaf 1 and 2 is also completely plausible.
tbh this is the main part of the timeline that I doubt. I don't think Michael would immediately go back and tamper with animatronics immediately after being bitten by one and getting his brain chomped off.
the only thing that feels weird is the deconstruction of the toy animations instead of the normal ones. Sure, freddy, bonnie, and chica look kinda similar, but in the minigame we see it happen we clearly we a red foxy be deconstructed. So unless is was some weird unused version we haven't seen before, the minigame strongly implies it was the original cast
Taking Michael being the Bite of 87 Victim into consideration: Could the Phantoms just be a vague memory of what the animatronics look like but his brain isn't able to fully "replicate" them, so he sees them as burned Animatronics? Maybe influenced by the first phonecall that mentions burning and stuff... I have no idea if frontal lobe damage could work that way but maybe my weird thoughts ammount to something that makes more sense.
I love your thumbnail. I do agree with Matpat on why Michael isn't in the encyclopedia. We know he's a major character, but we don't know which Fnaf games he was truly in. If he was in the book, it'd reveal too much, so it's probably a good thing. But what really bugs me, is why is Phone Guy not in the Fnaf Encyclopedia??? He's a character that was in Fnaf 1-3, somewhat in Fnaf 4, and we know little to nothing about him. He was a character that was with us ever since the beginning, and we still know how major of a character he was, other than he worked for the company, gave memos to the Fazbear Employees, and seemed to work alongside Fazbear Entertainment. Is it possible that we could learn more about him in the future, be revealed to be a major character, or will he just be a forgotten one? He was a character that I miss, and I do wish we saw more of him. Also, the idea that William's bankruptcy being saved by Henry is a similar case in Tales from the Pizzaplex The Storyteller. We hear from a man named Edwin who's in his 60s, almost went bankrupt, but was saved by a man named Mr. Burrows, who's the board of Fazbear Entertainment. Edwin's backstory is explained where he used to have a wife and kid. He loses his wife from child birth, and the book makes it sound like he lost his kid at a young age, which sounds familiar to Henry's past. The story even ends with Edwin being dead in a fake tree from lack of oxygen, and Mr. Burrows suffering the same fate. 2 great creators, trapped in a enclosed room, slowly fading away, similar to Fnaf 6's ending. It seems that Matpats timeline was almost correct with Henry and William. But instead of William being saved by Henry, it's William saving Henry from bankruptcy. At least that's the vibe that I'm getting. What do you guys think?
The way I always thought about why Micheal would go to 1 and 2 was the William sent him. William noticed the withered being posses and sends Micheal to see more as William himself is not supposed to be left in. Same with 1 Micheal is sent to monitor the animatronics and report back. This allows contact with the sprits in the logbook, provides motivation to go 1 and 2 a well as motivation to investigate SL which I believe he you’ll have done in defiance and not out of being asked by William.
Literally this, although I think he did go to sl because of being asked by William but during SL is when Mike starts having doubts about helping William. Which leads to Mike trying to release him in fnaf 3
Yeah, definitely a valid idea for the motivations pre-SL. Although he DEFINITELY was asked/told to go to SL by Afton. Now, he likely DIDNT do it for William, but for Elizabeth, especially since William and Michael definitely had a pretty... toxic relationship, to say the least...
@@higueraft571 I could go with either of those reasons for SL as neither subtract from the story and both make thematically sense, it’s up to preference.
Yea I agree-I always thought odor was a weak piece of evidence for the placement, and there really wasn’t much else (that I can think of) to support it, and I don’t think they would hire an ourple dude lol
@@fantasysquad8425 Absolutely. Especially when EVERY time Custom Night happened, he'd get fired. Odor Tampering with the (unwashed dead child) animatronics "Unprofessional Behavior"
I feel like there's a decently big hole in your "Micheal Bite of '87 Victim", and it's the fact that we know the bite happened during the *day* shift. Or at least, we have a very strong suspicion given the night 6 phone call that directly states Jeremy's change to day shift: "Uh we have one more event scheduled for tomorrow, a birthday. You’ll be on day shift, wear your uniform, stay close to the animatronics, make sure they don’t hurt anyone okay" This heavily implies that Jeremy is the '87 Bite Victim and it happens during his first and last day shift on the day of Night 7, and I don't know about you, but I feel like it would be very unwise of him to directly tamper with the animatronics during the day shift. Maybe there's something I'm overlooking, but it doesn't make sense for Micheal to be the bite victim for tampering with the animatronics and getting hurt for it if the bite supposedly happens during the day shift, I think it's much more likely that Micheal is Fritz Smith and he gets fired after Night 7 when he's discovered tampering with the animatronics then.
I have some points to say for the video (this is going to be long): - The bite victim of '87 is Jeremy Fitzgerald not Michael. He was the guard that work during the night 1-6. After Phone guy talks about William using an yellow suit and the animatronic not working correctly, phone guy decides to celebrate a last birthday party for a future reopening of FFP2 (the restaurant of Fnaf 2)said in night 6, and Jeremy was put as the day guard. He's job was to be near the animatronic to look after them. This would make sense for him to be the victim since he is ironically at the right time and place. This event has to play out the day since the restaurant closes immediately after, and Phone Guy talks about it in Fnaf 1 as some commun knowledge ( he doesn't hide it behind PR like the uses of the springlock suits during his fnaf 3 calls when they were no longer used who are obviously William's murders: uses of the hidden room+ springlock suit). Since Michael is the nightguard during night7 he isn't the bite victim of '87. -I personally think Fnaf 1 takes place before SL(when Michael goes there). First reason: at the end of SL, Michael is searching Will, " I'm going to come find you," with a shot of Springtrap meaning William already went to the FFP1 and died, and already destroyed the classical animatronic. It would be weird for a company who never cleans their animatronic, Phone Guy:" If I was forced to sing the same stupid song for 20 years without taking a bath..." to rebuild twice the animatronic between Fnaf 2 and 1(withered to normal to destroyed to normal). Second reason: To counterpoint the fact that William wouldn't open the FFP1, We only know 100% sure that William is the one to open Circus baby Pizza World and Security and Rental since it's under Afton Robotics. During Fnaf 2, he is the first night guard who became the day guard that Phone Guy warns about while talking about "not trusting any previous employees." If Will is hiding as a nightguard to do his murders during Fnaf 2, he wouldn't be able to be the one to open the restaurant during Fnaf 1. That doesn't make much sense. Edit: What I was trying to say is William hiding as a nightguard means that Fazbear entertainment or Henry suspect him to be the killer and doesn't allow him to be associated with the franchise anymore. William is most likely no longer the CEO of Fazbear entertainment during this time, making him unable to open a pizzaria with Freddy's brand on it. So the reopening of the FFP1 is unrelated to William's action and it is more likely an attempt to gain money by Fazbear entertainment with what they had in hands (reusing old animatronic instead of new ones) after the fiasco of the FFP2. Lastly For when Circus Baby Pizza World takes place because it isn't between Fnaf 2 and 1: It is said to be opened after "The Massive success of Freddy Fazbear Pizza," while there were multiple one: the First one, the Fnaf 2 one and the Fnaf 1 one. Only the First one was massively successful, the Fnaf 2 one is open for around 2 weeks and the Fnaf 1 one wasn't successful because of the smell and blood of the animatronic ( mucus coming out of Freddy said in a newspaper of Fnaf1). Circus restaurant opened after the First Freddy Fazbear Pizza. Edit: There is also the possibility that Circus Baby Pizza World takes place before Fnaf 4 because of the empty girl room that would have belonged to Elizabeth and the fact that Baby states that her old pizzeria had springlocks suits (the one Michael was trapped in during night 4 of SL.) Some speculation on my part: If Circus Baby Pizza World takes place after the closing of the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the fact that Baby is the face of the restaurant even though there is a Ft Freddy is because William as the Ceo of Afton Robotics doesn't want to associate the restaurant with the missing children incident (even though Afton Robotics is a branch of Fazbear entertainment). Having Freddy as the head of the restaurant would have been useful for him and his experiments to lure kids. After the closure of the FFP1, William thinking that the police will end up finding the dead bodies, opened the new restaurant with Baby's face on it for keeping customers after the police founds the bodies. But with Elizabeth accident, Baby's restaurant closes. The bodies were never found by the police making this event the missing children incident. Finally, the Fnaf 2 restaurant was able to open with more security meaning Fazbear entertainment knows about those murders and also why William needed to sneak in as a nightguard to begin with. I want to say even though I disagree in some part of the video, I really enjoyed it and it gave me a reason to talk more something I like. Keep working hard!
In the character encyclopedia it specifically says the protagonist of FNAF4 experienced a traumatic event at the FNAF1 location on pg.9. This is not "the bite", because this is given as the reason the character is upset at the start of the game. So the Freddy's location seen in FNAF4 is not the FNAF1 location, it is it's own location, but the book on pg. 9 is specifically calling out that the characters of FNAF4 have already seen/been to the FNAF1 location before the start of the game.
Matpat actually did a video back in the day where he talks about the effects losing your frontal lobe has,the main one is emotions. The frontal lobe registers emotions so without it you lose them
@@RyeToast they made a movie called “Night Five” and it’s GREAT! They made the Fnaf 1 location and are currently working on the Fnaf 3 location… They even make a reference to SL (or William does) later in the movie so I think that was cool I highly recommend it :D
FNaF theories remind me of my great grandma, who once was trying to solve jigsaw puzzles. She couldn't do it, so she took a hammer and hit the pieces until they fit where she thought was suitable. That's FNaF timeline, everybody
a few things that I was able to pick out: If Michael really is the one that got bit then wouldn’t that be even better evidence for the fact he’s already a corpse by that time because he survived such severe damage as the entire frontal lobe was removed and not cleanly. This kind of injury would generally force a person into shock and I’m not too well-versed on the medicinal technology they had at that time. I’d also like to add that if William went through the trouble of creating an entire underground bunker just to conduct his experiments, I doubt he would suddenly risk having someone who at least used to hate him go down there. In the advent that Michael was waking up from the coma with the impaired judgment and memory, that’s still seems like a unreasonable risk for someone to take despite him taking so many precautions with almost everything else we’ve seen him do. Lastly, and most importantly, I think the dates are focused on too much, especially in the early parts of the franchise, where it’s even admitted by yourself that it had a different timeline of events before a rewrite twice. Because of this, I don’t necessarily think that the temporal placements of the first to finance games should be such a major issue especially when it’s possible that those times may genuinely be invalid at this point.
>went through the trouble of creating an entire underground bunker just to conduct his experiments Honestly, considering what it's attached to, and where it is. 100% betting it began as a sort of Workshop + deep storage for Fredbear's, alongside William's own personal Office. Simply expanded/renovated to serve as what we see it today. It'd explain WHY he would have Springlocks down there. Especially a "Prototype". >I doubt he would suddenly risk having someone who at least used to hate him go down there. Simple, he KNOWS Michael, he's well versed in manipulating people, and pushing their buttons, getting his way. His Sister is down there, he's still guilty about what he did to his brother, even if he'd rather spit in William's face, he'll still do it for HER. Do doubt he was the '87 victim though. >it’s possible that those times may genuinely be invalid at this point. Except, even IF the first few games were considered invalid, the Greater Timeline still is structured in such a way they fit pretty snugly in those already-canon times. FNAF 3 is 30 years after FNAF 1. FNAF 2 is after the MCI (Which is confirmed to be in 1985). (Of course, FNAF 1 and 2 heavily imply 2 takes place in 1987) FNAF 4 is 1983. FNAF 6 is 2023 (the same rough year 3 should be taking place in or so) FNAF 1 from our conclusions is either 1992 or 1993, which puts FNAF 3 at 2022 or 2023, which fits with FNAF 6's events. SL and FNAF 4's gameplay taking place sometime between a 1992-2023 stretch of time.
My sister got a brain injury to her frontal lobe during a bodily surgery a few years ago. By no means am I a psychiatrist, but living by her side for about 9 years now, all the parts of her personality that were effected have been very blatant. We had to relearn math and how to read efficiently, the emotional swings were off the charts. I could see someone with those unfortunate setbacks making life-threatening decisions at the will of a narcissistic parent.
I really like this timeline! I think there are a lot of viable ones (since I think there won’t be a final answer) but yours really convinced me because you filled some plotholes from MatPats timeline. I personally think that Jeremy was involved in the bite of 87 because of Help Wanted and the Jeremy that cut off his face but if it was Micheal it would explain a lot. Nevertheless I am pretty excited for the last part of the timeline since I feel like this part has the most obvious yet confusing storytelling :D
Slight problem with Michael being the bite victim. In the phone call that mentions it, Phone Guy specifies that the animatronics used to walk around during the _day_ before the bite. From what we've established, Michael only ever took night shift jobs. If the bite happened during the day, and Michael was only ever there at night, how could he be the victim?
ShyCrow made a great theory yesterday, and he talks about how everyone is wrong about Michael and it’s really worth the watch, he brings a perspective that for some reason nobody has thought of but is very likely
Even if we take MatPat's theory of Michael working at the FNAF 1 & 2 locations after Sister Location, your theory that Mike was the victim of the Bite of '87 is still solid. After all, it wouldn't matter is his frontal lobe was bitten off, considering he's a walking corpse without organs. If he's possessing his own body, he can survive the attack without any change to him other than physical.
Honestly. . . I Like BOTH MatPat's Theory about the second half of The Afton Era; as well as Yours. . . I Don't know which one is right; Nor do I care; I just Love seeing two different interpretations of the Confusing Complicated FNAF Timeline!! and I could see the reasoning behind both Interpretations!! So Much so; that I can't really decide which one I like more!!
There was a lot to chew on with Matpat's recent part. His comments about the Phantoms and the human heads are especially interesting. But yeah I don't know what happened with this one as it feels substantially less careful than the previous 2 parts. The order of events in Mike's life are presented way too messily in regards to FNAF 1 and 2 not to mention I think he kind of forgot the plot point that William sent Michael down to CBE&R to put his sister back together. The rest of it is mostly a bit of speculative filler which I don't mind as it makes for an interesting narrative but honestly I don't get the whole 'Michael being super angry and on a quest on revenge' thing. Michael in the logbook and in his one actual voice line paints the picture of a man who is very snarky and uses dark humour as a coping mechanism. He's less of a Zuko and more of a Sans kind of character I tend to imagine at least from what we actually have to go on. All in all it's another fun video but the cracks are definitely starting to show.
You just made me realize something that no one brings up. Mike can comunicate with ghosts(at least cassidy and crying child). That can solve alot of issues with the timeline. Why was mike in fnaf 1, because his brother needs him to be there. How did he know what to do in fnaf 3, because cassidy told him how. It makes fnaf 6 kind of weird but if he can only talk to the spirits in golden freddy that kind of fixes it.
About Michael's talking with Cassidy or C.C., William was in the spring Bonnie suit during all of the murders except for Charlie's, so all they'd know was that a guy in a bunny suit killed them. I feel that he'd either assume it was William due to his prime suspect status, or he'd slowly learn more up until sister location
@@RyeToast I DO suspect he'd be aware of what his Father's doing at least, if not the Remnant Testing... How would William explain away that his Sister just *vanished* one day, in one of his own locations? The same day a "Gas leak" occurred. :V (Infact, if that part of SL took place in 1986, fitting the current timeline's events... That'd give a decent potential motive for him to BE in the 2 and 1 locations, while not yet fully aware of Remnant's details.)
I personally think that the 1987 victim was not Michael simply because Michael is the nightguard. The phone guy specifically says that they were allowed to wander during the day. Also, fazbear Entertainment would cover the bite of 87 up if it occurred during the night so the public didn't know about it. So since Michael was the nightguard, and the nightguard won't be there in the day, Michael could not be the victim in the bite of 87
4:06 Pretty weird bird thing to shoutout. Pretty good video otherwise! Couldn't say a lot of this better myself, infact I said a lot of the gist worse.
I don't think Mike stayed purple after spitting Ennard because Remnant has regeneration capabilities. His entire stomach was regenerated, why wouldn't his skin?
@@RyeToast Well, less we DONT know, and more it simply hasnt been hard confirmed ingame, or stated. (Being another case of "who knows" more or less :V) It WOULD explain Scraptrap and Burntrap at least... Though where it's been mentioned more heavily (The Books) definitely makes it clear that at least Light Remnant/Book Remnant has healing capabilities and is made of Positive Emotion. And can even create illusions without Illusion Discs?
maybe being purple in the series isn’t a direct correlation to being a rotting corpse but instead having a correlation with being infused with remnant. it would explain why William is purple as he experimented with it to gain immortality and would explain why micheal would be purple post ennard because he is now living off of remnant. this can be taken even further to explain the shadow animatronics, the ones that are purple like shadow freddy could be remnant but the black ones like shadow bonnie could be agony
@@Raishuw25 i just now realized something even further. if your going with the purple = remnant could william be the yellow guy in the midnight motorist minigame because he has not yet been experimenting with remnant. it would place midnight motorist post fnaf 4 mini games and before william discovers possession, making him yellow instead of purple.
I really hope MatPat reacts to this video one say, because this is what theory crafting it all about: respectful exchange of ideas and clues. Love your videos and ethics Rye Toast
I quite enjoy your analysis of MatPat’s theories. Lots of people like to hate on him for his videos, but you carefully analyze each bit and don’t bash him for having a different opinion of the timeline. Keep it up with the great videos, Rye!
I love your channel so much. You are so smart coming up with the theories. You are also very funny sometimes. Any time you upload it makes my week. Also what are you do cats names?
I'm so glad that you did a shotout to Sire,lol. Altough,I still believe that the Bite of 87 was done to Jeremy,because it just connects so good. Mangle's motivation of seeing the things in save them(he was here.) So they just BITE the dayshift guard, no luck however,that wasn't William, lol.
My friend made his own timeline and he thinks that in UCN we still are playing as Michael, his argument is what animatronics are saying about "the one you should've not killed" and the one he should have not killed is Crying Child
Certain circuits in the frontal lobe are responsible for stuff like empathy and taking others’ perspectives, and on top of that damage to the frontal lobes can lead to apathy, so he likely would not be super inspired and justice-driven unfortunately. But I think it’s narratively satisfying and there’s no way Scott read that much into it so I’m just gonna consider it true for now lol
FNAF 1 is 1992. In the ultimate guide Scott calls attention to the fact that the security guard makes $4 an hour. The minimum wage in Utah was 4.25 in 92. It was higher in 98. Also another Friday the 13th, Charlie's 3rd Birthday, the year she died, 1983, per the silver eyes.
I'm very glad that you pointed out how it's not really feasible to make a fully dated timeline. I'm fine with critiquing game theory, that's how theories grow, but I don't like it when people dunk on Matpat because they assume there's one correct answer. I hope in the future we get clarification on what details from the first few games are still canon, and which ones have been retconned. I honestly think that's necessary at this point.
The phantoms burned appearance actually seems pretty simple to me There creations of the mind and Michael probably has Fire on the mind considering he burns the place down
Something I wanna note here; the Original Freddy’s location was opened in 1983, as proven by the token in FNaF VR or AR (one of the two), but it’s also confirmed that Fredbear’s Family Diner opened in late 1978! Now going along with your theory, on how FNaF 1 takes place in 1998, and the “20 years before” line, again that’s 1978! So I think that the original location was either starting construction in 1978, OR perhaps 1978 was the year in which all of the original FNaF animatronics were completed. This can explain quite a bit, and tells us that perhaps when William and Henry merged their franchises, perhaps the original animatronics (Freddy, Foxy and Bonnie from William, Chica from Henry) was completely finished and performed alongside Fredbear and Springbonnie until 1983, where their location would be finally built and they’d perform there from then on, JUST IN TIME for the Crying Child and Charlie to die!
While I appreciate the shoutout to Sire Squaks, one of my favorite newer fnaf TH-camrs, I’ll be honest, man, I don’t buy Michael getting the bite of 87. Not that it isn’t sound, I really can’t think of anything to disprove it, but in FNaF theory, there’s a point where a theory may or may not feel like it “fits”. For example, I believe the crying child’s name is Evan or that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit. I understand some of the evidence is shoddy, but it feels like the best fit with what we have. I kept thinking about Michael being bit but it just seems like a square peg in a round hole from a narrative perspective. Still, this is what the community is for and discussing theories is important so I respect your opinion and keep up the good work. 👍
That's totally fair! And i appreciate your leveled response. Mike87 is a little out there for sure, and I'm not too sure of it myself, just wanted to share that around
>For example, I believe the crying child’s name is Evan or that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit. Admittedly, i kind of... really dont see Evan as fitting. It fits pretty much about as much as you stated, except you hack off the corners to make a round-ish peg to shove in the hole :V (Theoretically, the same exact puzzle where you needed TWO solutions to get Evan, otherwise you'd get either "Eva" or "N", done a certain way you can in one go get "ISSPRINGTRAP", as a continuation to "MY NAME", mirroring a teaser Scott made for FNAF 3...)
@@RyeToast I am curious, what IS your opinion/belief on the "Logbook is actually Red = Michael, Faded = Springtrap, Altered = CC?" that SenshiOfSadness had figured out? There DOES seem to be some hefty evidence for it... And some even HEFTIER implications. It does match word for word with a FNAF 3 Teaser by Scott, and a quote from TTO. Not to mention a notable catch being: Page 52 is talking about Springlocks, which is pointed to by the mislabled 52? This would also mean that CC's name has been and always was Cassidy... And another more out there one: How realistic would Greggory being MICHAEL be?
Something that contradicts Michael being the Bite of '87 victim is the Night 6 and 7 paychecks. Jeremy Fitzgerald attends the birthday party of the Bite on the day between those nights, then on Night 7, Fritz Smith is the night guard. For Mike to be the Bite of '87 victim he would have to be hired as Jeremy, get bitten by an animatronic, leave, come back under a new name for one night, then get fired for messing with the animatronics. Regarding the dates of Fnaf 1: The Faztokens from Help Wanted say "Since 1983 Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" so twenty years later would be 2003. The paycheck dates don't match up with that being the correct year if you go by the assumption that Sunday is the first day of the night guard's work week. Also, the Fnaf 3 Steam page specifically says it's 30 years later.
If we consider the unused Faz-Facts from FNaF AR to still be canon, the one that says: ”Fazbear’s ”Twisted” Pizza Recipe was voted ”Most Yummy” by 6 out of 10 children in every survey from 1988-1993”. That would mean the FNaF 1 location would have opened in 1988 and closed in 1993.
I think I agree with a lot of this video, the fact that sister location takes place before fnaf 1 makes a lot of sense logically, but the part that is confusing about all of this is when exactly William gets springlocked. William can't open the fnaf 1 location if he's in a springlock suit. At 6:44 you say that the follow me minigames take place during fnaf 1, which would explain how this happens in your timeline, but this is confusing because it means that he extracted the original remnant for the funtimes off screen at some point, which doesn't make much sense to me. I'm re-reading this comment over and over again to see if it makes sense and it LITERALLY feels like I am having a stroke, this game is SO hard to figure out dude lmao. Great work, love your videos and keep it up :]
My theory is that Michael Afton went to the FNaF 1 & 2 because of his brother. So in Sister Location, William actually told Michael to go to the Sister Location because his sister Elizabeth was down there. So it would make sense that William Afton would tell Michael to go to the FNaF 1 & 2 to find his brother.
Or... Michael knows enough what happened to Elizabeth, if not the details? Her death most likely happened in 1986, JUST prior to Michael becoming an adult and working in the FNAF 2 location.
The lobe thing might explain the fritzy (get it?) hand unit. Micheal isn't thinking clearly. His attempts to answer the prompts would be impaired. To us it seems the hand unit is acting up. To Micheal, the unit is finen but he's not right. Food for thought.
Okay, I wanna thank you for including non-diegetic explanations for stuff like dates. I get MatPat's desire to not just write chunks the lore off just because we can't figure it out yet, (a lot of lazy theorists handle not being able to solve FNAF by calling the story badly written) but there are some things that really don't make any sense unless the story has been changed in places. The more explicit the clue, (like an unambiguous date) the more noticeable it is when it doesn't add up. I must say, though, one of my favorite things about Scott's games is how he's less interested in paying off every detail of what came before and more inclined to tell a sincere story. It makes sense that sometimes he would've had to paint himself OUT of a corner with some retcons.
Honestly I'm really happy you pointed out that FNAF 1 phone call talking about the bite, I never hear anyone talk about it and I'm always like "but they survived!"
Unrelated, but I just wanna say as someone that's been watching for a while I love how much Spyro music you use in your background. I always thought it'd be a fantastic backing soundtrack but just never really made enough videos where I could use it. As someone whose beaten the original trilogy hundreds of times each over the last 25 years or so, you cannot sneak the music by me that's seared into my brain.
I much prefer the idea of Michael being the main character throughout most of the games instead of playing as different night guards. I just like his character more and feel like it just makes for a better story. Having random characters you play as with little to no character just doesn’t sound very good to me.
I'm still watching this as I write this, but you have made an amazing video. That's it. That's all I can say. You have hit on so many great points and this is your best one yet in my opinion. I think the way you're approaching this is fantastic. Bravo.
One main issue I have with Matpat’s timeline is how he doesn’t take any time to focus on the mindset of the Villains. He never goes over the actions of the Funtimes, Baby’s manipulation, he pretty much brushes over the Ennard-Baby separation, and doesn’t even go into William’s head once he becomes Springtrap. It’s JUST Micheal’s POV. One of the major reasons people get invested into FNAF lore IS the villains and their motivations and mindsets, so seeing that brushed over in favor of more fan fictiony Micheal is a bit of a kick in the balls.
To be fair, there's so little evidence to really work with the villains and their mindsets and motivations, you basically have to write fanfiction to actually get anything workable.
@@Revanaught well I'd say the voicelines we get from the villains we get a lot of insight into how they think and Micheal is the one who is very hard to get a pin on without being fanfictiony
@@TheWizardMus we really don't get much in the way for motivation outside of the spirits wanting to torture William in UCN, and baby wanting to leave the bunker in sister location. Why they want to leave, and their goals after are something you have to make up. And yes, I agree that Michaels motivation is almost entirely fanfiction when people make theories.
ok I'm throwing my opinion out there: the reason the phantom animatronics look burnt feels metaphorical to me, those places, animatronics, events are burnt into his memory, burnt imprints of what he has to remember for years to come. I think the burned design could be explained as the fact they're burnt imprints of what he's seen/known, sure they could be literally burnt but I like the idea that it's supposed to represent how deeply rooted all this is in his memories yknow?
But doesn't Mike draws Exotic Butters in the logbook? He has already recieved the "bonus", so how could this be before Sister Location. He just started communicating with ghost after SL, maybe during Fnaf 1 or 2 since he meets Golden Freddy there. Maybe BV and Cassidy can interact with him only while he is in near the place the suit is
Honestly, with the new timeline, the timing and dates works fine as long as William is still locked in the safe room in 1993. A few weeks later, mike goes looking for him and finds the sister location. Then 2 weeks after that, ennard leaves him. That still gives the rest of the year for mike to go under cover in fnaf 1 in 1993 (which is when we originally thought it happened and know happens at the end of said year at 11/12/?) and only work night 7 (which has no date) in fnaf 2, trying to find his dad and end him. 30 years later, willam and mike meet in fnaf 3, then later that year in fnaf pizzeria simulator. Time still fits, if MatPat just compresses it a bit. A year is a long time, and a lot of things can happen
I miss when the lore was just "Kiddos die and get stuffed into animal suit",i am unsure of how we've gotten from that to "Man in rabbit costume that died like 30 or something years ago manages to transport his soul to a VR game that was made by a company to save face after a game creator made games about them that painted them in a bad light, possibly implying all previous entries in the series were not cannon."
If Michael was the victim of the bite of 87 and got bitten when trying to take apart the animatronics, why wouldn’t any kids who took apart mangle/toy foxy even get damaged? They are just kids after all
That’s good theory however the problem I have with that is Micheal I felt that Micheal probably would’ve needed some sort of family member to take care of him and considering the fact Henry does care about Micheal in some way cus of midnight Motorus not to mention that Micheal is a trouble maker and brave so I feel like he would’ve probably had the reflex’s to avoid getting bitten want proof 4/20 mode not to mention that the log book never shows any signs of Micheal having any memory loss
I've always fhought that sister location happened in between the "classic" Freddy's and the NEW AND IMPROVED Freddy's, with into the pit being during 1985, and a murder happening there, I'd assumed that it probably closed down that year due to said incident, making two years between withered and fnaf 2 locations. However, after watching this video It's very possible that you are right about when the PHYSICAL game takes place, as we know that the handunit is pre-recorded, and so his voice lines could very well be out of date, referring to a period that has since passed during the time of the game. It personally, makes sense to me if the sister location started being planned/developed during the close of the Freddy's location, with it maybe being seen as a new "brand" to unfocus people's attention on the child murders. I'd assume it was developed and made in the background, and probably fnaf 2 location was made during that time, with William originally not involved with it, and so they would be less aware of his wareabouts due to being on separate teams. After it was closed, there would be more time to continue working on the Sister location, with it being officially opened after fnaf 2 as you theorize. With my version, the animatronics would be made and stuff starting before fnaf 2, probably with the investors asking him stuff after fnaf 2 closes. With SL being started before fnaf 2 it would have more time to get made and so less would have to be finished, with it being able to get released and then closed earlier within the year gap, and more time for other things to happen such as remnant experiments and the rental of animatronics.
This is a really well though out Theory! I personally don't think I agree with it but it is compelling and it will have me reconsidering things for quite a while. The timeline laid out here does work very cleanly on a lot of levels. Thank you as always for the time and effort you put in and for being a positive voice in this community.
Random headcannon/theory : fnaf 4 happened after Michael got bit, and was in a coma, and is having nightmares about working at freddy's. This explains the phone call, and the movement patterns of the nightmare animatronics, and the hospital equipment. Also if I where in a situation like his, where one mess up on his job could mean life or death, I think that would be pretty traumatic, especially if an animatronic actually bit him, being the reason he's in the coma in the first place. Not to mention the bite of 83 also adding to the bad experiences he's had at freddy's, inadvertently killing his brother. I quite enjoy this theory, everything just kind of fits together quite smoothly, also I love the "traumatized protagonist" trope XD If there is something to contradict this please tell me bc I'm not quite a lore aficionado and a bit stupid TwT
This counters a point I remember hearing about the "I'm going to come find you" quote, where it was said that because of the tone of Michael's voice combined with the poster in Pizza Sim that represents the Afton family (minus the wife/mother), it was more likely that Mike was helping William as 'William" had a puppet that looked just like him, but with the idea of him being the Bite of 87 it also can explain what's going on. Summarizing my results on Frontal Lobe loss problems, they include; loss/reduction of problem solving abilities, memory problems, and changes in Social Behavior, however I'm also seeing that paralysis/motor control malfunctions are also symptoms, so either Mike somehow dodged that bullet long enough to get scooped, had some spiritual help from Cassidy or Crying Kid, or had to have been scooped prior to the Bite of 87 since if he's already possessing his own corpse losing part of the brain he isn't inhabiting anymore wouldn't be an issue. Which means we should be able to claim that Sister Location happened Post Bite of 83 yet Pre Bite of 87 just as I believe you were saying during the Dates of the Timeline segment The only issue is I do disregard the Fredbear and Friends '83'show because come on, how many times have you been watching adukt swim and seen the same Family Guy episode that came out over 5 years ago? I'd say it's fairly common and if the show is as popular as Scott made it out to be then I don't doubt that 5 year long reruns would be a stretch, as well as the fact that it could just be something like a copyright claim year, such as how when loading up Kingdom Hearts you see the starting year of ownership for IPs or whatnot. Long story short I think that based on the effects of losing your Frontal Lobe that S.L had to happen before the Bite of 87 and that the TV show from FnaF 4 can't be used as evidence of the time period. As more of a "ATM head canon" I think that the Pizza Sim poster may have been representing the Aftons after S.L but pre 87, and that Mike is indeed chasing down his father now that he's technically a spirit as well and should be able to make contact with other spirits. I also think that the series adding in The Mimic is leading the story towards having a Xehanort situation, with William split into 3 parts; the Mind or consciousness which is stuck in Cassidy's purgatory, the Body which is nothing but bones and placed onto The Mimic's body, and the Soul which takes the form of Glitchtrap or even possibly Vanny. And as neither Body or Soul know that the Mind is in purgatory I think Glitchtrap will try to use Mimic as a vessel to recomplete Afton much like killing Ansem and Xemnas bring back Xehanort. Yes I did just bring in a Kingdom Hearts reference to use as an explanation
One issue, what everyone is overlooking in the logbook is that michael has been to circus babys ent and rentals by the time he was working at a freddys location whichever location it may be
hey rye! been following you for a bit, love your stuff. quick note though, if fnaf 1 takes place in 1998, which i like as a date and agree with, that means fnaf 3 takes place in 2028, not 2023! cause it takes place 30 years AFTER the last fazbears closes down, so the further we push fnaf 1, the more we push fnaf 3. personally, i like this placement of fnaf 3! assuming fnaf 6 takes place roughly a year or so after it, that means 2029, and then, HW, AR, and SC take place in approximately 2030, 2031, and 2032 respectively! which i think is REALLY clean and neat, for a fresh new reboot!
Speaking of the Funtimes believing Michael to be William, what do you make of Elizabeth wanting to springlock and scoop him in SL, to then being very devoted to make her daddy proud in FFPS onward?
8:33 2 things at this moment Rye got wrong/didn’t think about 1. Free roam mode could just be someone in a suit walking around off the stage 2. Crying Child/Evan DOES live without the frontal lobe, just not for long.
Fair but consider 1. The bite itself supposed was caused by a free roam mode, something he wasn't in And 2. Fair. But the way it's phrased implies he survives for some time
@@fantasysquad8425 >they give the real-life science behind it-the nightmares. Except the Nightmares are something experienced from MICHAEL's PoV, not CC's. It's... possible? Maybe? But doubtful. I'd also like to remind you that Fredbear bit down on CC's head with Hydraulics hard enough to bite through his skull and immediately stop his struggling, yet keeping him alive for a time. SOMETHING was lost, at least...
@@higueraft571 I’m saying bc of the character encyclopedia Bc it may be a retcon unfortunately But if it is still Michael, that would go against the idea of him being the bite of 87 victim
Totally off topic, but I appreciate the bg music choices in this vid. I'm going through Spyro: The Ignited Trilogy and it's been a wonderful nostalgia trip.
It’s funny at first that Matpat was getting all the things (more or less) correct and people are just going with it until Scott said something and now it’s more or less the opposite. Matpat is now being corrected by RyeToast or Fuhnaff, and Scott is now retired. It’s funny how things turn out like that
@@herrflammen6487 Yeah, he's still behind SB and definitely working on RUIN. Steel Wool's simply taken the reins on the game dev aspect, and doing what he tells them to in terms of lore :V
Really enjoying these theory breakdowns Rye. Love your format and presentation in each video. There’s just one issue I have with your theory regarding Michael being the bite victim of 87. After Night 6 we get newspaper headline about the pizzeria being closed down and the toy animatronics being scrapped due to possible malfunction. That’s indicating one of them but someone during work hours. However, Michael is assumed to be the guard for the secret final night and is fired on the first day of his employment. That tells me that it couldn’t have been Michael getting bitten if the toy animatronics are already scrapped. So my thinking personally, is that Michael was the first guard for fnaf 2 and was fired early on, then Jeremy takes over later on. Since no date is indicated on the pink slip, or the fact both toy and withered animatronics are still in the building, it says to me that Michael must’ve been there first rather than coming later. How much earlier? I don’t know. At least before the bite of 87 though. Anyway that’s my thoughts on it. Keep up the great work Rye👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Ok i might not have the character encyclopedia and i may just be throwing stuff at the wall butt... Michael does sister location, disgusted with his fathers work he wants to destroy it and let these souls free, Goes and does fanf 1 and 2 and tampers with the animatronics destroys them one after one, to finaly let them rest. But they dont recognize him, they mistake him for his father and they force him into a golden bunny suit. the springlocks fail and yada yada the big reveal in sister location is that Michael was actually springtrap. wow amazing. just dont think about it too much...
One issue I have with this is that Michael specifically says he would come find his father, however if William is indeed alive he would be living with Michael. Not only would that raise the issue of WIlliam somehow not noticing his son is dead, but also if they live together why would the vengeful Michael be "searching" for his father if already knows where he is, not only that but why wouldn't he try to kill him, what's Willy gonna do, try and defend himself against someone who is already dead?
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Timestamps:
00:00 Preheating
00:38 Where do my opinions of the timeline differ?
02:02 What assumptions/evidence does Game Theory use?
05:19 Morgan and Morgan Ad
06:44 What could allow Michael to go to FNAF 2 pre-SL?
07:49 WHO was the victim of the Bite of '87?
09:36 When does FNAF 1 happen?
10:40 Why does Michael go to the Sister Location?
12:18 So WHAT ARE the dates of the FNAF Timeline?
15:45 A Dated mid-section of the FNAF Timeline
18:13 Letting it cool
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@@lizj5063 yeah
@@AmazingEmerald yeah
Freddy bit my forehead off :(
Are you having a second baby? I didn’t even know you had a kid so congratulations!!! 🎉🥳
Making a FNaF Timeline is like trying to combine multiple different jigsaw puzzles into one. There is no way that everything will fit. There has to be cutting, gluing, taking pieces from other puzzles and making your own pieces just to get something that even resembles a finished puzzle. Everyone will get different solutions because there is no solution anymore.
For real. That's why I'm trying not to be at all critical, because at this point I think there's several different valid interpretations
Don't forget there also needs to be scooping to put all the puzzle pieces back together.
@@joetyrant4713 lmao
And after you finish the puzzle, you will get a picture of scott showing a middle finger
@@RyeToast That is true; however there can only be one true timeline. Like either something happened at one point or it happened at another point in time: This is similar to how religion is, many people try to find the correct answer however they either one or the other is wrong or they are both wrong. Like if I was to buy a soda at the store there is only one type of soda one store and time when it occurred; it cannot be something entirely different. Scott knows/ is the “brain” of the universe I would use all direct information from him as he is the source of the truth about what happens and it is the community’s job to figure it out.
One part of me misses the simpler times, when it was all about haunted animatronics, with dead children in them
and another part of me kinda likes how crazy things have gotten.
Yeah I pretty much checked out with the Illusion Disks and Fazgoo. They're terrible plot devices for lazy writing
Y'know, I preferred when there *wasn't* a three car pileup directly outside my house, but it is spicing up my weekend!
this is why I like the Candy's/Popgoes timeline, feels a lot more refined
@@affsteak3530 fazgoo isn’t in the games. And the introduction of the illusion discs have allowed for some of the coolest designs in the franchise.
where the most "out there" theory we had was that fnaf 1 and 2's protagonist was a robot fazbear enterntianment was testing to try to cut costs on hireing humans and they intentionally made the bots come after you as negative feedback for not working good enough
......and nowerdays that sort of plot twist would seem very basic for fnaf
I'm willing to bet the whole "Michael turning into a zombie" WAS meant by Scott to tie into the "fired for odor" joke. However if this where to be the case, it throws i HUGE wrench into the timeline, therefore i think it's best if we choose to ignore it.
Mike is just smelly 24/7, before AND after turning into a zombie.
It WAS originally meant to be a joke after all
I think that would be kinda funny
@@RyeToast I think it might have been that + leaning more into the "getting elbow-deep in unwashed animatronics, that had rotting corpses inside, while tampering with them"?
Starting to wonder if the "Odor" was the retcon Scott mentioned that no one noticed.....
@@Takejiro24 Not really, *HIGH* odds it's the FNAF 2 minigame where Charlie died.
It says to save HIM.
Yet we know now the child is Female.
It should be saying Save HER.
"Fredbear isn't in a free roam mode, he's on stage, and the crying child very clearly doesn't survive."
*I've been saying this for years, thank you!*
I would personally place fnaf 1 and 2 before Sister Location and make it so Michael sees what happens during midnight motorist, in order to give him a motive to go there in the first place
Totally fair
Same here.
Ya know, things have a really blurry place to just put in in a specific place. Therefore, as long as you put in specific pieces here and there, then you have a logical timeline.
William told Mike to go to SL, Mike literally says this "it was right where you said it would be" "...just like you asked me to"
@@Iggyauna just because Michael is trying to stop him doesn't mean that William couldn't tell him that
The timeline feels like a puzzle and having some pieces made of silly putty. Sure they can fit in one place but still fit in another if you rework it a bit.
1000% the whole timeline is mushy and reinterpretable
Just wanted to say thanks for always being respectful of others’ theories, even if you don’t 100% agree with them! I think the theory crafting side of the fan base can get a little intense sometimes, so your videos are always a nice change of pace ☺️
Thank you! I try, because you're right it definitely can get intense
I definitely have been enjoying watching MatPat make these videos over a complicated series.
Although I'm not FNAF theorist I definitely like how he's and the rest of the team are putting in their all with this series. Making it feel like an actual story rather than just This happened first and then this happened after.
I also like your critique of his videos so far. I like to see other people's opinions on this timeline. FNAF is definitely a complex series with many questions that still need to be answered. But overall I like it.
Also sidenote is that when it comes to these types of critique videos I enjoy them when people aren't just hating on Game Theory for trying to make a cohesive narrative timeline. Because really it's a complicated series that has many ways of interpreting it. If that makes sense. Stay Toasty Rye!!! Also congrats on both your new baby coming soon and 100k!! You deserve it. 👍
Me too! And thank you so much!!!
@@RyeToast 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@RyeToast im not watching or lisining to ur vid sry i was watching the cat😅❤
15:06 A little correction here just to clear some things up, Rye. We actually do know when the first Freddy's opened. A Faz-Coin in Help Wanted states Freddy Fazbear's Pizza was established in 1983. So, the night 1 phone call in FNAF 1 HAS to take place in 2003 if Phone Guy is being exact with 20 years. But, overall, it's a great video, and I can't wait to see your reaction to MatPat's 4th video.
Oh, wow I had no idea about that. That does definitely conflict but I can forgive Scott not getting the dates of checks correct way back in FNAF 1
@RyeToast It doesn't completely mess with your timeline, however. As we know, PG has a tendency to lie....a lot. Like, a lot a lot lol So, it is possible he's not entirely telling the truth and rounding up to 20 years, so it is possible he placed that call in 1998 as it's not entirely unreasonable to round 15 up to 20. The only problem would be Scott's placement of FNAF3 as 30 years after Freddy's closes officially, but that's never stated in canon and only in FNAF3's game summary, so it is still possible for FNAF3 to take place in 2023.
Well, consider as well:
Fredbear's has been open longer, what if the Core 4 were created much sooner, but only became popular after 1983/1985?
@@RyeToastDon’t forget Freddy’s pizza and Fredbears pizza are considered different.
This leaves room as in 1983, would be the first freddy’s but before that it would be called Fredbear’s.
I’d like to think that maybe what phone guy meant was that Fredbear’s opened 20 years before FNaF 1, as in “singing those same stupid songs for 20 years” means since the company was established. 1978 was the most logical date of Fredbear’s opening that I always thought that anyway.
The idea that Michael was the victim of the Bite of 87 actually makes sense, and I'm not sure how nobody ever thought of that.
And the idea that the Toy Animatronics were the Funtime's rather than the Fnaf 1 animatronics is an interesting thought and actually fits in better with the narrative timeline
Love this video! It introduced ideas and concepts that made me pause the video and think for a few seconds, but not in a bad way.
Still a bit iffy on the placement of Sister Location, though. I'm not sure whether to think Sister Location takes place before both Fnaf 1 and 2 (like Matpat says) or if it takes place after both Fnaf 1 and 2. But Sister Location taking place in-between Fnaf 1 and 2 is also completely plausible.
THANK YOU! And yeah it's super fuzzy around placements there, it really could be any of those three
I thought it was pretty much assumed one of the guards from FNAF2 was the victim for a while?
@@geminia999 It was assumed by most of the fandom that Jeremy Fitzgerald was the victim of 87
tbh this is the main part of the timeline that I doubt. I don't think Michael would immediately go back and tamper with animatronics immediately after being bitten by one and getting his brain chomped off.
the only thing that feels weird is the deconstruction of the toy animations instead of the normal ones. Sure, freddy, bonnie, and chica look kinda similar, but in the minigame we see it happen we clearly we a red foxy be deconstructed. So unless is was some weird unused version we haven't seen before, the minigame strongly implies it was the original cast
Taking Michael being the Bite of 87 Victim into consideration: Could the Phantoms just be a vague memory of what the animatronics look like but his brain isn't able to fully "replicate" them, so he sees them as burned Animatronics? Maybe influenced by the first phonecall that mentions burning and stuff... I have no idea if frontal lobe damage could work that way but maybe my weird thoughts ammount to something that makes more sense.
always love seeing the kitties in your videos :) it's a combination of my favorite things: cats, FNAF, and video essays. what are the kitties' names?
Thank you so much! The orange and white cat is Marq, the black cat is Casey, and we have a long hair orange cat named April
@@RyeToast Marq and Casey look almost exactly like two cats that I used to own (they passed away).
[Just had to point it out lol]
I love your thumbnail. I do agree with Matpat on why Michael isn't in the encyclopedia. We know he's a major character, but we don't know which Fnaf games he was truly in. If he was in the book, it'd reveal too much, so it's probably a good thing.
But what really bugs me, is why is Phone Guy not in the Fnaf Encyclopedia??? He's a character that was in Fnaf 1-3, somewhat in Fnaf 4, and we know little to nothing about him. He was a character that was with us ever since the beginning, and we still know how major of a character he was, other than he worked for the company, gave memos to the Fazbear Employees, and seemed to work alongside Fazbear Entertainment. Is it possible that we could learn more about him in the future, be revealed to be a major character, or will he just be a forgotten one? He was a character that I miss, and I do wish we saw more of him.
Also, the idea that William's bankruptcy being saved by Henry is a similar case in Tales from the Pizzaplex The Storyteller. We hear from a man named Edwin who's in his 60s, almost went bankrupt, but was saved by a man named Mr. Burrows, who's the board of Fazbear Entertainment. Edwin's backstory is explained where he used to have a wife and kid. He loses his wife from child birth, and the book makes it sound like he lost his kid at a young age, which sounds familiar to Henry's past. The story even ends with Edwin being dead in a fake tree from lack of oxygen, and Mr. Burrows suffering the same fate. 2 great creators, trapped in a enclosed room, slowly fading away, similar to Fnaf 6's ending.
It seems that Matpats timeline was almost correct with Henry and William. But instead of William being saved by Henry, it's William saving Henry from bankruptcy. At least that's the vibe that I'm getting.
What do you guys think?
The way I always thought about why Micheal would go to 1 and 2 was the William sent him. William noticed the withered being posses and sends Micheal to see more as William himself is not supposed to be left in. Same with 1 Micheal is sent to monitor the animatronics and report back. This allows contact with the sprits in the logbook, provides motivation to go 1 and 2 a well as motivation to investigate SL which I believe he you’ll have done in defiance and not out of being asked by William.
Literally this, although I think he did go to sl because of being asked by William but during SL is when Mike starts having doubts about helping William. Which leads to Mike trying to release him in fnaf 3
Yeah, definitely a valid idea for the motivations pre-SL.
Although he DEFINITELY was asked/told to go to SL by Afton.
Now, he likely DIDNT do it for William, but for Elizabeth, especially since William and Michael definitely had a pretty... toxic relationship, to say the least...
@@higueraft571 I could go with either of those reasons for SL as neither subtract from the story and both make thematically sense, it’s up to preference.
I always figured that Mike could work in FNAF 1 before Sister Location. It seems to be what the movie is doing.
That's totally possible
Yea I agree-I always thought odor was a weak piece of evidence for the placement, and there really wasn’t much else (that I can think of) to support it, and I don’t think they would hire an ourple dude lol
@@fantasysquad8425 Absolutely. Especially when EVERY time Custom Night happened, he'd get fired.
Odor
Tampering with the (unwashed dead child) animatronics
"Unprofessional Behavior"
@@higueraft571 u get me lol
@@fantasysquad8425 I mean it’s fnaf anything can happen?
I feel like there's a decently big hole in your "Micheal Bite of '87 Victim", and it's the fact that we know the bite happened during the *day* shift.
Or at least, we have a very strong suspicion given the night 6 phone call that directly states Jeremy's change to day shift: "Uh we have one more event scheduled for tomorrow, a birthday. You’ll be on day shift, wear your uniform, stay close to the animatronics, make sure they don’t hurt anyone okay"
This heavily implies that Jeremy is the '87 Bite Victim and it happens during his first and last day shift on the day of Night 7, and I don't know about you, but I feel like it would be very unwise of him to directly tamper with the animatronics during the day shift.
Maybe there's something I'm overlooking, but it doesn't make sense for Micheal to be the bite victim for tampering with the animatronics and getting hurt for it if the bite supposedly happens during the day shift, I think it's much more likely that Micheal is Fritz Smith and he gets fired after Night 7 when he's discovered tampering with the animatronics then.
I have some points to say for the video (this is going to be long):
- The bite victim of '87 is Jeremy Fitzgerald not Michael. He was the guard that work during the night 1-6. After Phone guy talks about William using an yellow suit and the animatronic not working correctly, phone guy decides to celebrate a last birthday party for a future reopening of FFP2 (the restaurant of Fnaf 2)said in night 6, and Jeremy was put as the day guard. He's job was to be near the animatronic to look after them. This would make sense for him to be the victim since he is ironically at the right time and place. This event has to play out the day since the restaurant closes immediately after, and Phone Guy talks about it in Fnaf 1 as some commun knowledge ( he doesn't hide it behind PR like the uses of the springlock suits during his fnaf 3 calls when they were no longer used who are obviously William's murders: uses of the hidden room+ springlock suit). Since Michael is the nightguard during night7 he isn't the bite victim of '87.
-I personally think Fnaf 1 takes place before SL(when Michael goes there).
First reason: at the end of SL, Michael is searching Will, " I'm going to come find you," with a shot of Springtrap meaning William already went to the FFP1 and died, and already destroyed the classical animatronic. It would be weird for a company who never cleans their animatronic, Phone Guy:" If I was forced to sing the same stupid song for 20 years without taking a bath..." to rebuild twice the animatronic between Fnaf 2 and 1(withered to normal to destroyed to normal).
Second reason: To counterpoint the fact that William wouldn't open the FFP1, We only know 100% sure that William is the one to open Circus baby Pizza World and Security and Rental since it's under Afton Robotics. During Fnaf 2, he is the first night guard who became the day guard that Phone Guy warns about while talking about "not trusting any previous employees." If Will is hiding as a nightguard to do his murders during Fnaf 2, he wouldn't be able to be the one to open the restaurant during Fnaf 1. That doesn't make much sense.
Edit: What I was trying to say is
William hiding as a nightguard means that Fazbear entertainment or Henry suspect him to be the killer and doesn't allow him to be associated with the franchise anymore. William is most likely no longer the CEO of Fazbear entertainment during this time, making him unable to open a pizzaria with Freddy's brand on it. So the reopening of the FFP1 is unrelated to William's action and it is more likely an attempt to gain money by Fazbear entertainment with what they had in hands (reusing old animatronic instead of new ones) after the fiasco of the FFP2.
Lastly For when Circus Baby Pizza World takes place because it isn't between Fnaf 2 and 1: It is said to be opened after "The Massive success of Freddy Fazbear Pizza," while there were multiple one: the First one, the Fnaf 2 one and the Fnaf 1 one. Only the First one was massively successful, the Fnaf 2 one is open for around 2 weeks and the Fnaf 1 one wasn't successful because of the smell and blood of the animatronic ( mucus coming out of Freddy said in a newspaper of Fnaf1). Circus restaurant opened after the First Freddy Fazbear Pizza.
Edit: There is also the possibility that Circus Baby Pizza World takes place before Fnaf 4 because of the empty girl room that would have belonged to Elizabeth and the fact that Baby states that her old pizzeria had springlocks suits (the one Michael was trapped in during night 4 of SL.)
Some speculation on my part: If Circus Baby Pizza World takes place after the closing of the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the fact that Baby is the face of the restaurant even though there is a Ft Freddy is because William as the Ceo of Afton Robotics doesn't want to associate the restaurant with the missing children incident (even though Afton Robotics is a branch of Fazbear entertainment). Having Freddy as the head of the restaurant would have been useful for him and his experiments to lure kids. After the closure of the FFP1, William thinking that the police will end up finding the dead bodies, opened the new restaurant with Baby's face on it for keeping customers after the police founds the bodies. But with Elizabeth accident, Baby's restaurant closes. The bodies were never found by the police making this event the missing children incident.
Finally, the Fnaf 2 restaurant was able to open with more security meaning Fazbear entertainment knows about those murders and also why William needed to sneak in as a nightguard to begin with.
I want to say even though I disagree in some part of the video, I really enjoyed it and it gave me a reason to talk more something I like.
Keep working hard!
Why can’t Michael be the victim of the Bite of ‘87? Just because he wasn’t the guy who we see was fired doesn’t mean he also wasn’t fired.
In the character encyclopedia it specifically says the protagonist of FNAF4 experienced a traumatic event at the FNAF1 location on pg.9. This is not "the bite", because this is given as the reason the character is upset at the start of the game. So the Freddy's location seen in FNAF4 is not the FNAF1 location, it is it's own location, but the book on pg. 9 is specifically calling out that the characters of FNAF4 have already seen/been to the FNAF1 location before the start of the game.
Matpat actually did a video back in the day where he talks about the effects losing your frontal lobe has,the main one is emotions. The frontal lobe registers emotions so without it you lose them
sorry to hear that you have covid :/ hope you feel better! Thank you for putting this video out!
Thank you!!! 💚
This is the timeline Blue Ex went with for their movie, so it seems like a very succinct timeline. I like it
Oooo interesting. I'll have to look them up!
@@RyeToast they made a movie called “Night Five” and it’s GREAT! They made the Fnaf 1 location and are currently working on the Fnaf 3 location…
They even make a reference to SL (or William does) later in the movie so I think that was cool
I highly recommend it :D
FNaF theories remind me of my great grandma, who once was trying to solve jigsaw puzzles. She couldn't do it, so she took a hammer and hit the pieces until they fit where she thought was suitable. That's FNaF timeline, everybody
I mean you're not wrong lol
a few things that I was able to pick out:
If Michael really is the one that got bit then wouldn’t that be even better evidence for the fact he’s already a corpse by that time because he survived such severe damage as the entire frontal lobe was removed and not cleanly. This kind of injury would generally force a person into shock and I’m not too well-versed on the medicinal technology they had at that time.
I’d also like to add that if William went through the trouble of creating an entire underground bunker just to conduct his experiments, I doubt he would suddenly risk having someone who at least used to hate him go down there. In the advent that Michael was waking up from the coma with the impaired judgment and memory, that’s still seems like a unreasonable risk for someone to take despite him taking so many precautions with almost everything else we’ve seen him do. Lastly, and most importantly, I think the dates are focused on too much, especially in the early parts of the franchise, where it’s even admitted by yourself that it had a different timeline of events before a rewrite twice. Because of this, I don’t necessarily think that the temporal placements of the first to finance games should be such a major issue especially when it’s possible that those times may genuinely be invalid at this point.
>went through the trouble of creating an entire underground bunker just to conduct his experiments
Honestly, considering what it's attached to, and where it is.
100% betting it began as a sort of Workshop + deep storage for Fredbear's, alongside William's own personal Office.
Simply expanded/renovated to serve as what we see it today.
It'd explain WHY he would have Springlocks down there. Especially a "Prototype".
>I doubt he would suddenly risk having someone who at least used to hate him go down there.
Simple, he KNOWS Michael, he's well versed in manipulating people, and pushing their buttons, getting his way.
His Sister is down there, he's still guilty about what he did to his brother, even if he'd rather spit in William's face, he'll still do it for HER.
Do doubt he was the '87 victim though.
>it’s possible that those times may genuinely be invalid at this point.
Except, even IF the first few games were considered invalid, the Greater Timeline still is structured in such a way they fit pretty snugly in those already-canon times.
FNAF 3 is 30 years after FNAF 1. FNAF 2 is after the MCI (Which is confirmed to be in 1985). (Of course, FNAF 1 and 2 heavily imply 2 takes place in 1987)
FNAF 4 is 1983.
FNAF 6 is 2023 (the same rough year 3 should be taking place in or so)
FNAF 1 from our conclusions is either 1992 or 1993, which puts FNAF 3 at 2022 or 2023, which fits with FNAF 6's events.
SL and FNAF 4's gameplay taking place sometime between a 1992-2023 stretch of time.
@@higueraft571 I genuinely love debates, but I can already tell I do not know as much as you do
My sister got a brain injury to her frontal lobe during a bodily surgery a few years ago. By no means am I a psychiatrist, but living by her side for about 9 years now, all the parts of her personality that were effected have been very blatant. We had to relearn math and how to read efficiently, the emotional swings were off the charts. I could see someone with those unfortunate setbacks making life-threatening decisions at the will of a narcissistic parent.
I really like this timeline! I think there are a lot of viable ones (since I think there won’t be a final answer) but yours really convinced me because you filled some plotholes from MatPats timeline.
I personally think that Jeremy was involved in the bite of 87 because of Help Wanted and the Jeremy that cut off his face but if it was Micheal it would explain a lot.
Nevertheless I am pretty excited for the last part of the timeline since I feel like this part has the most obvious yet confusing storytelling :D
The... Michael from FNAF 6?
The one who was trapped in the building with everyone else? Afton, The Blob, whatever's left of Henry?
Slight problem with Michael being the bite victim.
In the phone call that mentions it, Phone Guy specifies that the animatronics used to walk around during the _day_ before the bite.
From what we've established, Michael only ever took night shift jobs.
If the bite happened during the day, and Michael was only ever there at night, how could he be the victim?
learning how to code rn and your voice really helps me focus Rye!
I'm glad I can help!
ShyCrow made a great theory yesterday, and he talks about how everyone is wrong about Michael and it’s really worth the watch, he brings a perspective that for some reason nobody has thought of but is very likely
Even if we take MatPat's theory of Michael working at the FNAF 1 & 2 locations after Sister Location, your theory that Mike was the victim of the Bite of '87 is still solid. After all, it wouldn't matter is his frontal lobe was bitten off, considering he's a walking corpse without organs. If he's possessing his own body, he can survive the attack without any change to him other than physical.
Honestly. . . I Like BOTH MatPat's Theory about the second half of The Afton Era; as well as Yours. . .
I Don't know which one is right; Nor do I care; I just Love seeing two different interpretations of the Confusing Complicated FNAF Timeline!! and I could see the reasoning behind both Interpretations!! So Much so; that I can't really decide which one I like more!!
Lol thank you!! And yeah i don't think either interpretation is more or less convincing, just both going off of different evidence
There was a lot to chew on with Matpat's recent part. His comments about the Phantoms and the human heads are especially interesting. But yeah I don't know what happened with this one as it feels substantially less careful than the previous 2 parts. The order of events in Mike's life are presented way too messily in regards to FNAF 1 and 2 not to mention I think he kind of forgot the plot point that William sent Michael down to CBE&R to put his sister back together. The rest of it is mostly a bit of speculative filler which I don't mind as it makes for an interesting narrative but honestly I don't get the whole 'Michael being super angry and on a quest on revenge' thing. Michael in the logbook and in his one actual voice line paints the picture of a man who is very snarky and uses dark humour as a coping mechanism. He's less of a Zuko and more of a Sans kind of character I tend to imagine at least from what we actually have to go on.
All in all it's another fun video but the cracks are definitely starting to show.
You just made me realize something that no one brings up. Mike can comunicate with ghosts(at least cassidy and crying child). That can solve alot of issues with the timeline. Why was mike in fnaf 1, because his brother needs him to be there. How did he know what to do in fnaf 3, because cassidy told him how. It makes fnaf 6 kind of weird but if he can only talk to the spirits in golden freddy that kind of fixes it.
About Michael's talking with Cassidy or C.C., William was in the spring Bonnie suit during all of the murders except for Charlie's, so all they'd know was that a guy in a bunny suit killed them. I feel that he'd either assume it was William due to his prime suspect status, or he'd slowly learn more up until sister location
Very possible
@@RyeToast I DO suspect he'd be aware of what his Father's doing at least, if not the Remnant Testing...
How would William explain away that his Sister just *vanished* one day, in one of his own locations? The same day a "Gas leak" occurred. :V
(Infact, if that part of SL took place in 1986, fitting the current timeline's events... That'd give a decent potential motive for him to BE in the 2 and 1 locations, while not yet fully aware of Remnant's details.)
I LOVE this theory. Michael being the victim of the bite of 87 is really interesting. :)
I personally think that the 1987 victim was not Michael simply because Michael is the nightguard. The phone guy specifically says that they were allowed to wander during the day. Also, fazbear Entertainment would cover the bite of 87 up if it occurred during the night so the public didn't know about it. So since Michael was the nightguard, and the nightguard won't be there in the day, Michael could not be the victim in the bite of 87
4:06 Pretty weird bird thing to shoutout. Pretty good video otherwise! Couldn't say a lot of this better myself, infact I said a lot of the gist worse.
I don't think Mike stayed purple after spitting Ennard because Remnant has regeneration capabilities. His entire stomach was regenerated, why wouldn't his skin?
That's possible, we just don't know is all
@@RyeToast Well, less we DONT know, and more it simply hasnt been hard confirmed ingame, or stated. (Being another case of "who knows" more or less :V)
It WOULD explain Scraptrap and Burntrap at least...
Though where it's been mentioned more heavily (The Books) definitely makes it clear that at least Light Remnant/Book Remnant has healing capabilities and is made of Positive Emotion. And can even create illusions without Illusion Discs?
maybe being purple in the series isn’t a direct correlation to being a rotting corpse but instead having a correlation with being infused with remnant. it would explain why William is purple as he experimented with it to gain immortality and would explain why micheal would be purple post ennard because he is now living off of remnant. this can be taken even further to explain the shadow animatronics, the ones that are purple like shadow freddy could be remnant but the black ones like shadow bonnie could be agony
@@MrMexican501 That's actually a pretty good explanation
@@Raishuw25 i just now realized something even further. if your going with the purple = remnant could william be the yellow guy in the midnight motorist minigame because he has not yet been experimenting with remnant. it would place midnight motorist post fnaf 4 mini games and before william discovers possession, making him yellow instead of purple.
Saw the sign in the background. Congrats on the upcoming baby!!! The due date is 2 days after my birthday haha
I really hope MatPat reacts to this video one say, because this is what theory crafting it all about: respectful exchange of ideas and clues.
Love your videos and ethics Rye Toast
I quite enjoy your analysis of MatPat’s theories. Lots of people like to hate on him for his videos, but you carefully analyze each bit and don’t bash him for having a different opinion of the timeline. Keep it up with the great videos, Rye!
I love your channel so much. You are so smart coming up with the theories. You are also very funny sometimes. Any time you upload it makes my week. Also what are you do cats names?
Thank you so much! The orange and white cat is Marq, the black cat is Casey, and we have a long hair orange cat named April
Thanks for telling me
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Ahh yes... _floofs..._
What's the name of the _floof_ on your lap, Rye?
That's Marq!
@@RyeToast Marq...
I hereby bestow Marq the title of...
_Marq the Floof_
Great points made here!! Especially Michael going to SL due to judgement issues and all. That chunk is probably my favorite!!
I'm so glad that you did a shotout to Sire,lol.
Altough,I still believe that the Bite of 87 was done to Jeremy,because it just connects so good. Mangle's motivation of seeing the things in save them(he was here.) So they just BITE the dayshift guard, no luck however,that wasn't William, lol.
My friend made his own timeline and he thinks that in UCN we still are playing as Michael, his argument is what animatronics are saying about "the one you should've not killed" and the one he should have not killed is Crying Child
Except someone calls for mile
Certain circuits in the frontal lobe are responsible for stuff like empathy and taking others’ perspectives, and on top of that damage to the frontal lobes can lead to apathy, so he likely would not be super inspired and justice-driven unfortunately. But I think it’s narratively satisfying and there’s no way Scott read that much into it so I’m just gonna consider it true for now lol
FNAF 1 is 1992. In the ultimate guide Scott calls attention to the fact that the security guard makes $4 an hour. The minimum wage in Utah was 4.25 in 92. It was higher in 98.
Also another Friday the 13th, Charlie's 3rd Birthday, the year she died, 1983, per the silver eyes.
I'm very glad that you pointed out how it's not really feasible to make a fully dated timeline. I'm fine with critiquing game theory, that's how theories grow, but I don't like it when people dunk on Matpat because they assume there's one correct answer.
I hope in the future we get clarification on what details from the first few games are still canon, and which ones have been retconned. I honestly think that's necessary at this point.
I remember watching a sire squawks stream, and RyeToast came in with a donation to help chat force sire to put up more screens
It was a funny stream 🤣
The phantoms burned appearance actually seems pretty simple to me
There creations of the mind and Michael probably has Fire on the mind considering he burns the place down
Out of all fnaf content creators you are the best presenter. I like how you speak calmly.
Congrats for 100k!
Thank you!!
“If Micheal isn’t Ourple, why is he going after the FNaF locations?”
Lmao it caught me off gaurd when you said “Ourple” with a straight face
also lesss go 100k! love to see it, your videos are great man keep the oven on its cookin
Something I wanna note here; the Original Freddy’s location was opened in 1983, as proven by the token in FNaF VR or AR (one of the two), but it’s also confirmed that Fredbear’s Family Diner opened in late 1978! Now going along with your theory, on how FNaF 1 takes place in 1998, and the “20 years before” line, again that’s 1978! So I think that the original location was either starting construction in 1978, OR perhaps 1978 was the year in which all of the original FNaF animatronics were completed. This can explain quite a bit, and tells us that perhaps when William and Henry merged their franchises, perhaps the original animatronics (Freddy, Foxy and Bonnie from William, Chica from Henry) was completely finished and performed alongside Fredbear and Springbonnie until 1983, where their location would be finally built and they’d perform there from then on, JUST IN TIME for the Crying Child and Charlie to die!
While I appreciate the shoutout to Sire Squaks, one of my favorite newer fnaf TH-camrs, I’ll be honest, man, I don’t buy Michael getting the bite of 87. Not that it isn’t sound, I really can’t think of anything to disprove it, but in FNaF theory, there’s a point where a theory may or may not feel like it “fits”. For example, I believe the crying child’s name is Evan or that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit. I understand some of the evidence is shoddy, but it feels like the best fit with what we have. I kept thinking about Michael being bit but it just seems like a square peg in a round hole from a narrative perspective. Still, this is what the community is for and discussing theories is important so I respect your opinion and keep up the good work. 👍
That's totally fair! And i appreciate your leveled response. Mike87 is a little out there for sure, and I'm not too sure of it myself, just wanted to share that around
@@RyeToast Yeah, all good, man. Love your content. Honestly wasn’t expecting a reply.
>For example, I believe the crying child’s name is Evan or that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit.
Admittedly, i kind of... really dont see Evan as fitting.
It fits pretty much about as much as you stated, except you hack off the corners to make a round-ish peg to shove in the hole :V
(Theoretically, the same exact puzzle where you needed TWO solutions to get Evan, otherwise you'd get either "Eva" or "N", done a certain way you can in one go get "ISSPRINGTRAP", as a continuation to "MY NAME", mirroring a teaser Scott made for FNAF 3...)
@@RyeToast I am curious, what IS your opinion/belief on the "Logbook is actually Red = Michael, Faded = Springtrap, Altered = CC?" that SenshiOfSadness had figured out?
There DOES seem to be some hefty evidence for it...
And some even HEFTIER implications.
It does match word for word with a FNAF 3 Teaser by Scott, and a quote from TTO.
Not to mention a notable catch being: Page 52 is talking about Springlocks, which is pointed to by the mislabled 52?
This would also mean that CC's name has been and always was Cassidy...
And another more out there one: How realistic would Greggory being MICHAEL be?
I’m loving the Freddy Fazbear Pillow Pet in the background! 🥰
Me too!!!
Something that contradicts Michael being the Bite of '87 victim is the Night 6 and 7 paychecks. Jeremy Fitzgerald attends the birthday party of the Bite on the day between those nights, then on Night 7, Fritz Smith is the night guard. For Mike to be the Bite of '87 victim he would have to be hired as Jeremy, get bitten by an animatronic, leave, come back under a new name for one night, then get fired for messing with the animatronics. Regarding the dates of Fnaf 1: The Faztokens from Help Wanted say "Since 1983 Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" so twenty years later would be 2003. The paycheck dates don't match up with that being the correct year if you go by the assumption that Sunday is the first day of the night guard's work week. Also, the Fnaf 3 Steam page specifically says it's 30 years later.
If we consider the unused Faz-Facts from FNaF AR to still be canon, the one that says: ”Fazbear’s ”Twisted” Pizza Recipe was voted ”Most Yummy” by 6 out of 10 children in every survey from 1988-1993”. That would mean the FNaF 1 location would have opened in 1988 and closed in 1993.
came for the theory, stayed for the cat
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I think I agree with a lot of this video, the fact that sister location takes place before fnaf 1 makes a lot of sense logically, but the part that is confusing about all of this is when exactly William gets springlocked. William can't open the fnaf 1 location if he's in a springlock suit. At 6:44 you say that the follow me minigames take place during fnaf 1, which would explain how this happens in your timeline, but this is confusing because it means that he extracted the original remnant for the funtimes off screen at some point, which doesn't make much sense to me. I'm re-reading this comment over and over again to see if it makes sense and it LITERALLY feels like I am having a stroke, this game is SO hard to figure out dude lmao. Great work, love your videos and keep it up :]
at this point...we can universally believe the fnaf lore/story is as hard and chaotic as Kingdom Hearts and other complex franchises
as Homestuck?
NOTHING touches Kingdom Hearts lore
@@RyeToast *Have* you looked at Homestuck lore though? :V
My theory is that Michael Afton went to the FNaF 1 & 2 because of his brother. So in Sister Location, William actually told Michael to go to the Sister Location because his sister Elizabeth was down there. So it would make sense that William Afton would tell Michael to go to the FNaF 1 & 2 to find his brother.
Or... Michael knows enough what happened to Elizabeth, if not the details? Her death most likely happened in 1986, JUST prior to Michael becoming an adult and working in the FNAF 2 location.
The lobe thing might explain the fritzy (get it?) hand unit. Micheal isn't thinking clearly. His attempts to answer the prompts would be impaired. To us it seems the hand unit is acting up. To Micheal, the unit is finen but he's not right.
Food for thought.
Okay, I wanna thank you for including non-diegetic explanations for stuff like dates. I get MatPat's desire to not just write chunks the lore off just because we can't figure it out yet, (a lot of lazy theorists handle not being able to solve FNAF by calling the story badly written) but there are some things that really don't make any sense unless the story has been changed in places. The more explicit the clue, (like an unambiguous date) the more noticeable it is when it doesn't add up.
I must say, though, one of my favorite things about Scott's games is how he's less interested in paying off every detail of what came before and more inclined to tell a sincere story. It makes sense that sometimes he would've had to paint himself OUT of a corner with some retcons.
Honestly I'm really happy you pointed out that FNAF 1 phone call talking about the bite, I never hear anyone talk about it and I'm always like "but they survived!"
Unrelated, but I just wanna say as someone that's been watching for a while I love how much Spyro music you use in your background. I always thought it'd be a fantastic backing soundtrack but just never really made enough videos where I could use it. As someone whose beaten the original trilogy hundreds of times each over the last 25 years or so, you cannot sneak the music by me that's seared into my brain.
We’ve reached a point where we’re not gonna figure out the timeline without Scott just outright telling us
I doubt he even knows.
I much prefer the idea of Michael being the main character throughout most of the games instead of playing as different night guards. I just like his character more and feel like it just makes for a better story. Having random characters you play as with little to no character just doesn’t sound very good to me.
I'm still watching this as I write this, but you have made an amazing video. That's it. That's all I can say. You have hit on so many great points and this is your best one yet in my opinion. I think the way you're approaching this is fantastic. Bravo.
One main issue I have with Matpat’s timeline is how he doesn’t take any time to focus on the mindset of the Villains. He never goes over the actions of the Funtimes, Baby’s manipulation, he pretty much brushes over the Ennard-Baby separation, and doesn’t even go into William’s head once he becomes Springtrap. It’s JUST Micheal’s POV. One of the major reasons people get invested into FNAF lore IS the villains and their motivations and mindsets, so seeing that brushed over in favor of more fan fictiony Micheal is a bit of a kick in the balls.
To be fair, there's so little evidence to really work with the villains and their mindsets and motivations, you basically have to write fanfiction to actually get anything workable.
@@Revanaught well I'd say the voicelines we get from the villains we get a lot of insight into how they think and Micheal is the one who is very hard to get a pin on without being fanfictiony
@@TheWizardMus we really don't get much in the way for motivation outside of the spirits wanting to torture William in UCN, and baby wanting to leave the bunker in sister location. Why they want to leave, and their goals after are something you have to make up.
And yes, I agree that Michaels motivation is almost entirely fanfiction when people make theories.
ok I'm throwing my opinion out there: the reason the phantom animatronics look burnt feels metaphorical to me, those places, animatronics, events are burnt into his memory, burnt imprints of what he has to remember for years to come. I think the burned design could be explained as the fact they're burnt imprints of what he's seen/known, sure they could be literally burnt but I like the idea that it's supposed to represent how deeply rooted all this is in his memories yknow?
But doesn't Mike draws Exotic Butters in the logbook? He has already recieved the "bonus", so how could this be before Sister Location. He just started communicating with ghost after SL, maybe during Fnaf 1 or 2 since he meets Golden Freddy there. Maybe BV and Cassidy can interact with him only while he is in near the place the suit is
Honestly, with the new timeline, the timing and dates works fine as long as William is still locked in the safe room in 1993. A few weeks later, mike goes looking for him and finds the sister location. Then 2 weeks after that, ennard leaves him. That still gives the rest of the year for mike to go under cover in fnaf 1 in 1993 (which is when we originally thought it happened and know happens at the end of said year at 11/12/?) and only work night 7 (which has no date) in fnaf 2, trying to find his dad and end him. 30 years later, willam and mike meet in fnaf 3, then later that year in fnaf pizzeria simulator. Time still fits, if MatPat just compresses it a bit. A year is a long time, and a lot of things can happen
I miss when the lore was just "Kiddos die and get stuffed into animal suit",i am unsure of how we've gotten from that to "Man in rabbit costume that died like 30 or something years ago manages to transport his soul to a VR game that was made by a company to save face after a game creator made games about them that painted them in a bad light, possibly implying all previous entries in the series were not cannon."
If Michael was the victim of the bite of 87 and got bitten when trying to take apart the animatronics, why wouldn’t any kids who took apart mangle/toy foxy even get damaged? They are just kids after all
As said in fnaf 2,animatronics are peacefull towards childreen,but they act weird with adults.
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That’s good theory however the problem I have with that is Micheal I felt that Micheal probably would’ve needed some sort of family member to take care of him and considering the fact Henry does care about Micheal in some way cus of midnight Motorus not to mention that Micheal is a trouble maker and brave so I feel like he would’ve probably had the reflex’s to avoid getting bitten want proof 4/20 mode not to mention that the log book never shows any signs of Micheal having any memory loss
I've always fhought that sister location happened in between the "classic" Freddy's and the NEW AND IMPROVED Freddy's, with into the pit being during 1985, and a murder happening there, I'd assumed that it probably closed down that year due to said incident, making two years between withered and fnaf 2 locations.
However, after watching this video It's very possible that you are right about when the PHYSICAL game takes place, as we know that the handunit is pre-recorded, and so his voice lines could very well be out of date, referring to a period that has since passed during the time of the game.
It personally, makes sense to me if the sister location started being planned/developed during the close of the Freddy's location, with it maybe being seen as a new "brand" to unfocus people's attention on the child murders. I'd assume it was developed and made in the background, and probably fnaf 2 location was made during that time, with William originally not involved with it, and so they would be less aware of his wareabouts due to being on separate teams. After it was closed, there would be more time to continue working on the Sister location, with it being officially opened after fnaf 2 as you theorize.
With my version, the animatronics would be made and stuff starting before fnaf 2, probably with the investors asking him stuff after fnaf 2 closes. With SL being started before fnaf 2 it would have more time to get made and so less would have to be finished, with it being able to get released and then closed earlier within the year gap, and more time for other things to happen such as remnant experiments and the rental of animatronics.
This is a really well though out Theory! I personally don't think I agree with it but it is compelling and it will have me reconsidering things for quite a while. The timeline laid out here does work very cleanly on a lot of levels. Thank you as always for the time and effort you put in and for being a positive voice in this community.
eyyyyy the sire squawks shoutout hell yeah, love how fnaf peeps pull each other up like john w GT live, so dope to see
having the worst day - time for ryetoast therapy! :D
Glad I could help! (But if you need actual help make sure to get some! The Trevor Project always has people to talk to!)
I was a believer in the "there were 2 bites" theory since the debate of 83 or 87 was happening. now, this makes me feel validated
Random headcannon/theory : fnaf 4 happened after Michael got bit, and was in a coma, and is having nightmares about working at freddy's. This explains the phone call, and the movement patterns of the nightmare animatronics, and the hospital equipment. Also if I where in a situation like his, where one mess up on his job could mean life or death, I think that would be pretty traumatic, especially if an animatronic actually bit him, being the reason he's in the coma in the first place. Not to mention the bite of 83 also adding to the bad experiences he's had at freddy's, inadvertently killing his brother.
I quite enjoy this theory, everything just kind of fits together quite smoothly, also I love the "traumatized protagonist" trope XD
If there is something to contradict this please tell me bc I'm not quite a lore aficionado and a bit stupid TwT
This counters a point I remember hearing about the "I'm going to come find you" quote, where it was said that because of the tone of Michael's voice combined with the poster in Pizza Sim that represents the Afton family (minus the wife/mother), it was more likely that Mike was helping William as 'William" had a puppet that looked just like him, but with the idea of him being the Bite of 87 it also can explain what's going on.
Summarizing my results on Frontal Lobe loss problems, they include; loss/reduction of problem solving abilities, memory problems, and changes in Social Behavior, however I'm also seeing that paralysis/motor control malfunctions are also symptoms, so either Mike somehow dodged that bullet long enough to get scooped, had some spiritual help from Cassidy or Crying Kid, or had to have been scooped prior to the Bite of 87 since if he's already possessing his own corpse losing part of the brain he isn't inhabiting anymore wouldn't be an issue. Which means we should be able to claim that Sister Location happened Post Bite of 83 yet Pre Bite of 87 just as I believe you were saying during the Dates of the Timeline segment
The only issue is I do disregard the Fredbear and Friends '83'show because come on, how many times have you been watching adukt swim and seen the same Family Guy episode that came out over 5 years ago? I'd say it's fairly common and if the show is as popular as Scott made it out to be then I don't doubt that 5 year long reruns would be a stretch, as well as the fact that it could just be something like a copyright claim year, such as how when loading up Kingdom Hearts you see the starting year of ownership for IPs or whatnot.
Long story short I think that based on the effects of losing your Frontal Lobe that S.L had to happen before the Bite of 87 and that the TV show from FnaF 4 can't be used as evidence of the time period.
As more of a "ATM head canon" I think that the Pizza Sim poster may have been representing the Aftons after S.L but pre 87, and that Mike is indeed chasing down his father now that he's technically a spirit as well and should be able to make contact with other spirits. I also think that the series adding in The Mimic is leading the story towards having a Xehanort situation, with William split into 3 parts; the Mind or consciousness which is stuck in Cassidy's purgatory, the Body which is nothing but bones and placed onto The Mimic's body, and the Soul which takes the form of Glitchtrap or even possibly Vanny. And as neither Body or Soul know that the Mind is in purgatory I think Glitchtrap will try to use Mimic as a vessel to recomplete Afton much like killing Ansem and Xemnas bring back Xehanort. Yes I did just bring in a Kingdom Hearts reference to use as an explanation
I realize I practically wrote an MLA format essay with how long that is so ummm... whoops
Scott has successfully crowd sourced almost the entire lore for fnaf
One issue, what everyone is overlooking in the logbook is that michael has been to circus babys ent and rentals by the time he was working at a freddys location whichever location it may be
hey rye! been following you for a bit, love your stuff. quick note though, if fnaf 1 takes place in 1998, which i like as a date and agree with, that means fnaf 3 takes place in 2028, not 2023! cause it takes place 30 years AFTER the last fazbears closes down, so the further we push fnaf 1, the more we push fnaf 3.
personally, i like this placement of fnaf 3! assuming fnaf 6 takes place roughly a year or so after it, that means 2029, and then, HW, AR, and SC take place in approximately 2030, 2031, and 2032 respectively! which i think is REALLY clean and neat, for a fresh new reboot!
Another awesome vid!
Michael being the victim of the bite of '87 and FNAF 1 taking place in '98? I'm all for it.
Speaking of the Funtimes believing Michael to be William, what do you make of Elizabeth wanting to springlock and scoop him in SL, to then being very devoted to make her daddy proud in FFPS onward?
8:33 2 things at this moment Rye got wrong/didn’t think about
1. Free roam mode could just be someone in a suit walking around off the stage
2. Crying Child/Evan DOES live without the frontal lobe, just not for long.
Fair but consider
1. The bite itself supposed was caused by a free roam mode, something he wasn't in
And 2. Fair. But the way it's phrased implies he survives for some time
There’s no way CC could have lost his frontal lobe
If u look at an older GT theory, they give the real-life science behind it-the nightmares.
@@fantasysquad8425 >they give the real-life science behind it-the nightmares.
Except the Nightmares are something experienced from MICHAEL's PoV, not CC's.
It's... possible? Maybe? But doubtful.
I'd also like to remind you that Fredbear bit down on CC's head with Hydraulics hard enough to bite through his skull and immediately stop his struggling, yet keeping him alive for a time. SOMETHING was lost, at least...
@@higueraft571 I’m saying bc of the character encyclopedia
Bc it may be a retcon unfortunately
But if it is still Michael, that would go against the idea of him being the bite of 87 victim
@@RyeToast You do make some valid points, and the last one I was kinda trying to ignore lol
Totally off topic, but I appreciate the bg music choices in this vid. I'm going through Spyro: The Ignited Trilogy and it's been a wonderful nostalgia trip.
Ayyy! I love that recreation. They really do the games justice!
@@RyeToast I'm nearly done with the first game and I gotta say it's very well done
I liked how you gave Squire some love, he is super underrated
11:02 “And then they *wear his skin* “ I laughed way too hard at that.
It’s funny at first that Matpat was getting all the things (more or less) correct and people are just going with it until Scott said something and now it’s more or less the opposite. Matpat is now being corrected by RyeToast or Fuhnaff, and Scott is now retired. It’s funny how things turn out like that
Well, """"retired"""", he's still controlling/making the lore, he simply retired from the game development aspect of it...
@@higueraft571 did not know that he was still a part of creating the lore! Thanks for telling me!
@@herrflammen6487 Yeah, he's still behind SB and definitely working on RUIN.
Steel Wool's simply taken the reins on the game dev aspect, and doing what he tells them to in terms of lore :V
Really enjoying these theory breakdowns Rye. Love your format and presentation in each video.
There’s just one issue I have with your theory regarding Michael being the bite victim of 87. After Night 6 we get newspaper headline about the pizzeria being closed down and the toy animatronics being scrapped due to possible malfunction. That’s indicating one of them but someone during work hours. However, Michael is assumed to be the guard for the secret final night and is fired on the first day of his employment. That tells me that it couldn’t have been Michael getting bitten if the toy animatronics are already scrapped.
So my thinking personally, is that Michael was the first guard for fnaf 2 and was fired early on, then Jeremy takes over later on. Since no date is indicated on the pink slip, or the fact both toy and withered animatronics are still in the building, it says to me that Michael must’ve been there first rather than coming later. How much earlier? I don’t know. At least before the bite of 87 though.
Anyway that’s my thoughts on it. Keep up the great work Rye👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Ok i might not have the character encyclopedia and i may just be throwing stuff at the wall butt... Michael does sister location, disgusted with his fathers work he wants to destroy it and let these souls free, Goes and does fanf 1 and 2 and tampers with the animatronics destroys them one after one, to finaly let them rest. But they dont recognize him, they mistake him for his father and they force him into a golden bunny suit. the springlocks fail and yada yada the big reveal in sister location is that Michael was actually springtrap. wow amazing. just dont think about it too much...
One issue I have with this is that Michael specifically says he would come find his father, however if William is indeed alive he would be living with Michael. Not only would that raise the issue of WIlliam somehow not noticing his son is dead, but also if they live together why would the vengeful Michael be "searching" for his father if already knows where he is, not only that but why wouldn't he try to kill him, what's Willy gonna do, try and defend himself against someone who is already dead?
Love the video... just couldn't stop staring at the mic in front of your face XD