Can You Make A FNAF Timeline ONLY Using the Games? | FNAF Theory
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This is probably the most ambitious thing I've done on this channel. Sure it was kicked off with a timeline video but never have I had to put so much research and editing into one within a week. Luckily, a month later, I feel pretty confident in this Five Nights at Freddy's timeline. Well, as confident as you can be with fnaf anyway
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Timestamps:
00:00 How much FNAF lore did I miss?
03:40 What FNAF lore is confirmed?
06:22 What FNAF lore is a contradiction or retcon?
08:18 What is the beginning of the FNAF Timeline?
11:53 Morgan and Morgan Sponsored Segment
14:04 What is the middle of the FNAF Timeline?
21:35 What is the end of the FNAF Timeline?
23:58 How does the FNAF Timeline end?
26:33 BIG ANNOUNCEMENT
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What do you think of the timeline so far? Am I dead on? Or way wrong?
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Timestamps:
00:00 How much FNAF lore did I miss?
03:40 What FNAF lore is confirmed?
06:22 What FNAF lore is a contradiction or retcon?
08:18 What is the beginning of the FNAF Timeline?
11:53 Morgan and Morgan Sponsored Segment
14:04 What is the middle of the FNAF Timeline?
21:35 What is the end of the FNAF Timeline?
23:58 How does the FNAF Timeline end?
26:33 BIG ANNOUNCEMENT
Bro-hearted his own comment lol
I kinda disagree with the placements of your timeline and motives of William starting his killing spree for reasons I will explain in another comment, but I absolutely agree with everything else mate, great work. You, Game Theory and FUH-NAF need to work together since you guys are currently the biggest FNAF theorist on the Internet.
Now with that, I hope you give me a chance to share points I think hold alot of merit.
I just love there's no Books on it haha
@the coolest S I was thinking of that as well.
Your thought on the FNaF 1 location being a lure for Ennard is very interesting. I've never heard someone propose that theory. I really like your take on the timeline.
I don't have a problem with the Toy designs existing before 87. I always read it as they were originally toy designs, based loosely on the original animatronics, and when they tried to reboot the franchise in 87 they used the existing toy designs. The Toy animatronics were built in 87, but the actual toys they were based on date back to the Freddy's craze of 83.
You know a few people have been pointing that out, and I think that might fix my issue
this makes a lot of sense actually!!
Yeah, that makes sense
Well, ya beat me to it. I thought of that too, it's simple and elegant. Besides, it's cheaper to not pay for a new design when you have facial recognition software to pay already.
Also the withered ones in fnaf 2 are from the closed Fredbear location when Henry and William got jumped about the fact “All Your Dang Characters Can’t Be YELLOW!”
Honestly nice take on Michael, I think it’s probably not intended but when we just consider the games ties it into a nice bow. Since before CN we literally had no idea Cassidy even existed at the time. And If we think of it as a neat and tidy story, Mike is the best candidate because we already knew he had a justifiable grudge. Cassidy was nice because she explains Golden Freddy’s aggression but she does come out of no where from a writing perspective, so story wise Mike is better to explain it.
That's my thinking. Is this the most accurate timeline possible? Maybe not, but at least it's narratively satisfying
Yeah I had to look back to even remember why Cassidy is the one that made UCN. Apparently there is a cutscene in UCN where golden Freddy is shaking in the dark so we don't know who it is but we know the Golden Freddy soul is the one that can't move on if that's in the game can that be used? It would be the same as how we know who Henry is in the game but we technically don't know the name right? It also kinda explains why golden Freddy was so strong able to actually teleport and cause hallucinations.
@@RyeToast one thing tho golden freddy and hence the spirit inside was already a thing before Mike possessed golden freddy and if the crying child is to "soft" to be vengeful in fnaf 1 and 2 then what spirit is vengeful enough with a strong soul that was still around before Michael?
What's weirder is that Cassidy's name was not found in any of the novel or the Fazbear Fright books, her name came up from a puzzle of a fnaf survival log book, that was imo unnecessarily hard to find that took the community awhile to even solve.
Then again if these games are a perspective then of course we might not know. HRY thinks his kid was the first killed when it wasn't
I really enjoy the idea of Michael being "the one you should not have killed". It adds the layer of creating your own destruction that seems to follow William Afton everywhere.
MIKE HELP ME - screams in old mans cosequences
I think obeying William's order to look for Elizabeth in SL was the condition for Michael's being released from his FNAF 4 "punishment" and William hoped seeing Michael would trigger Elizabeth's memories.
In the process, William created an undying creature that hates him more than anything and isn't trapped inside a restaurant mascot. There's nothing the animatronics can do to Michael worse than what he's already gone through. He's the perfect nemesis for his father.
@@affsteak3530 honestly it seems so much better that way instead of just some random kid william would have killed, yeah that could be the case but with all michael had happen and how he is quite literally unstoppable at the time of him possessing himself it seems more fitting to have Michael be the one to torture his father, not just because he had the anger to do so but of everyone else he killed michael was the only one old enough to know that what his dad did was wrong in every way unlike elizabeth who practically cheered him on while he still was a murderous psycho
@@stevehenby I think you're underestimating why Scott didn't make it one of William's children and some random kid. Thats the whole point. Cassidy was at the wrong place, at the wrong time, targeted and used by a monster. Her death was unfair. Her life - full of potential- cut short because some creep killed her to be immortal. So, in that same sense of unfairness, she gives Afton exactly what he wanted: to live in an eternal torture chamber.
She is rightly angry and has been clinging onto that anger for decades. I think Scott definitely undersold the idea by not giving the victims of William's crimes any characterisation.
But Michael doing the torturing makes no sense. He wasn't killed by William, not directly. His invention killed him but Michael could have told his dad to fuck off after Night 1 in FNAF: SL. Next, Michael had spent DECADES cleaning up his father's mess and would no doubt just be too tired to spend his time in the afterlife by killing his dad over and over again. Crying Child wasn't killed by his Dad, it was Henry's invention and Michael's bullying that killed him. If anything, his dad was desperately trying to save him.
@@grandempressvicky6387 i am wondering though if the crying child was in his own limbo hell being stuck in and haunting one of the machines that not only was he terrified of but that also ended his life and blamed his father for making them and wanted to show/give his father a taste of what that hell was like by creating a hell that just repeats what William Afton was terrified of and making him relive it over and over again with no reprieve. If you think about it, crying child was terrified to even go near much less into the animatronic and then had to spend his afterlife trapped in it. I am also sure he was praying his parents would save him from his Michael's prank and when they didn't and just showed the machine of his nightmares that he was trapped inside into a room alone to rot I bet he started wanting to dish out revenge. But who knows I could have back asswards and just talking complete nonsense in the grand scheme of the game lore. Thanks for reading my novel of a comment. Have a great day.
Your explanation of the "later that night" events were the most cohesive I have ever seen, I loved it
I'm glad you think so!
yeah I think the idea of it being Mike visiting the hospital is perfect. I've mostly only watch matpats theories which has started to feel less and less cohesive with the book reliance. Everything's getting very crossed and if FNAF 4 is meant to have had all the clues for the box but got missed then I do agree this timeline needs to be game based. The kids going to a FNAF location makes no sense as by that point Elizabeth and Crying child are gone and Mike is guilty for killing his own brother accidentally. I can't believe that never occured to me, I only ever saw it as not making sense and being more likely a kid was running away from their scary ass serial killer dad. Plus giving Afton better motivations then just wanting to kill. It's beautiful
@Cakes
The only issue, is why is a Hospital called "Jr's"? It seems more likely that it's a bar or another faz location. Kinda like how you have Weeny Hut Jr and SUPER Weeny Hut Jr.(you better enjoy that SpongeBob reference)
The fact that it's the same purple car, purple guy, it's still raining just like the night charlie was killed in the alley. It's definitely supposed to be "late that night" after he killed Charlie.
There us the whole argument for if there are really 2 "missing kids incidents" or just 1. The articles from FNAF 1 say the killer was caught and convicted. So what if "JRs" is just the front of building he just killed Charlie at? Here's a guy caught and convicted and eventually released, showing up to a child's pizza restaurant the same night a kid was killed. The very crime he committed. Hence why you're told "you shouldn't be here" when trying to enter.
Now I'm not a full expert on the Lore so there's probably huge holes in this next theory...
What if it's just another FNAF Timeline issue? What if the story was (supposed) to be: crying child gets bit and dies. In a fot of rage and sadness, afton kills Charlie? Kind of a "my kid is gone while yours gets to live" moment of psychosis. Then, "Later That Night", it's afton going back to the restaurant his son was bit at? But that would rely on the assumption that it's just another issue of times and dates not making sense and being changed.
@@ItsSuperMoosh The kid isn't going to Jrs. The dad was at the bar sure but the kid was only said as going to "that place." That does not mean Jr's at all. Parents with children dying in a hospital if they're unstable like Mr. "Murder kids" Afton him spiraling into alcoholism makes sense. As does a guilt ridden teenager going to the hospital to visit his brother.
Afton wouldn't want Mike anywhere near the crying child when Mike caused the accident and Afton must not like seeing his own kid dying (something he'd have to see everytime he picked Mike up from the hospital). He can also have killed Charlie. Don't confuse Mike and William, my comment was about Mike going to the hospital and William only finding out when he came home from the bar "Jrs".
@@ItsSuperMoosh I like this though I think its crying child goes, he builds baby to kill henrys kid but that backfires and kills elizabeth instead, and then after he inadvertaly kills 2 of his children he snaps and kills henrys daughter leading to the events of the games.
man, i don’t know if this is the “correct” timeline but it’s DEFINITELY the one that i like the most. it makes everything so clean.
I'll take it!
fr so much better than using 10000000000 books for answers💀
I always find it a bit sad that some potentially big parts of the story are never really talked about in lore stuff.
*Afton Robotics* being a separate entity to Fazbear Entertainment has a lot of lore potential. combined with the fact that the underground workshop/bunker thing that is owned by afton robotics has a lot of human-like or doll/marionette designs, and very few animal ones, while the pizzeria's we see have almost exclusively animal designs with only a handful more human like designs.
There's also 'Chica's Party World' and 'Circus Baby's Pizza World' as unseen locations which are related to the Afton Robotics workshop.
Also, it's never really said what type of company Fazbear Entertainment is. Everyone just assumes it's purely a pizzeria chain, and while that could be true, it's not really necessary to be true. Considering that they had full animated TV shows, and a LOT of toys, and the fact that the FNAF 2 location supposedly was really popular despite having been closed down for a long time and only just reopened. I find it highly unlikely to be a small but popular local restaurant. Could be an entertainment company that has a few physical locations after it's brand (like Disneyworld, or plenty of other big entertainment studio's that have themeparks), 'Chica's Party World' might not even have been a restaurant.
It would explain why post-Help Wanted we have the friggin Pizza Plex in Security Breach. That thing's a goddamn media conglomerate
My theory is that they started out as a pizzeria, and then added some merchandise after some success, but with the various incidents, they branched out further and further away from physical restaurants.
I always thought it strange that no one talks about FFE as a larger company with multiple franchises and I.P. Only the original ones in Hurricane have the problems, but there is money being made otherwise.
Another thing you missed (I put it in the comments of the last video) is that Baby’s eye colour changes to that of Elizabeth from the 8-Bit minigame to the actual game. Otherwise this is fantastic! Waiting for a well researched timeline for FNaF for ages! I wonder if MatPat’s will be similar…
I haven’t watched the whole video yet, so I’m not sure if you mentioned this…
I forgot to mention that. It's really good proof that Elizabeth haunts baby since the eye color change matches Elizabeth's eyes. Totally right
I also have a feeling that Pat's is going to be different since they're taking into account the books and games past ultimate custom night
@@RyeToastAnd also since he believed both timeline still connected and not seperate stories
@@L16htW4rr10r which timelines?
@@balls_gaming the original games from Fnaf 1 to UCN vs. everything after Help Wanted
Chica had a location mentioned in one of the game’s files. That kinda validated matpat’s theory of a Henry location where Chica originated from
Oh yeah, Chica's party world or something like that
to be fair that location was only for funtime chica, who is designed by william afton. chica's party world only tells us a place where funtime chica could be during sister location, but nothing about where the original chica came from, or if chica's party world was around during the begining
This just reminded me, wasn't the spring lock suit you're in for fnaf SL mini game a chica suit or not? I swear I thought I heard someone say that
@@keytohearts1194 that was just a theory, because Chica is missing from the game and the mask sorta resembled Toy Chica's face. It's just speculation.
@@keytohearts1194 I know people have been theorizing about it for some time now and it hasn’t been officially confirmed but I definitely think it’s Toy Chica.
Honestly, this one might be my favorite "final theory". I never liked the books and the pure insanity that they brought with them. And so seeing how you managed to piece together the full story that makes sense using only the games does put a smile on my face.
My only last pain in the head are the Shadow Freddy and Shadow Bonnie from FNAF 2. Why are they there? What do they represent? And how is Shadow Freddy tied to Golden Freddy (identical pose) and Nightmare?
Shadow Freddy and Shadow Bonnie are tricky, personally I think they are restless souls of workers who died in spring lock suits. Since multiple spring lock failures happened. As far as nightmare goes, it might just be an actual nightmare
Nightmare is based
An interesting theory I’ve seen is that the Shadows are manifestations of the Agony of the victims of the Children Incidents, Shadow Freddy representing the MCI and Shadow Bonnie representing the DCI
@@mopishcobra6 oh damn i like that. i knew the agony theory, but not the bit about them being for the two different incidents. it finally makes the fact that one is a skin of a withered but the other is a toy actually make sense for me
It is absolutely remarkable how coherent and compelling this timeline is without ever referencing any material external to games. I adore it!
My only problem is with Michael as the Vengeful Spirit - considering it has the voice of a child it being Michael is an enromous stretch. At this point I firmly believe the books (the children's workbook, plus Fazbear Frights for guidance on the mechanics of the situation) are neccessary to solve their identity.
The fact that you were able to implement Fnaf World into the timeline of events and make it somewhat comprehensible is not only baffling to me, but also impressive. Props to you for being the first person I have seen, to try and fit Fnaf World into all this.
Wow I loovveeee the idea that William was tormenting Micheal in FNAF 4 to keep him safe while simultaneously getting revenge. It makes so much sense for his character which I love since we don’t get much information on him in the games. This is super interesting!
I'm glad you think so!
Hello neighbor
Man your channel has almost single-handedly brought me back into fnaf, and back into the lore of it (Though sometimes trying to follow it makes me regret the continued existance of my brain)
Lol same. And I'm glad I could drag you back in lol!
Wow, this makes much more sense. William's motivation to kill being the jealousy and rivalry PLUS his child dying makes too much sense to not be true. This might be it.
Something I think a lot of people forget is that Scott did not write Ballora’s song, her voice actor Michella Moss did. The lyrics were meant to be haunting, they might not have any significance.
Yes I am a Ballora Afton hater let her be her own thing.
I don't think they mean anything. I feel like the lyrics just represent how ballora feels in the bunker, nothin more
@@RyeToast Thank you! That’s how I feel too. I think that the Ballora Afton theory is such a huge reach because we never see any sort of mention of a mother figure. I mean, people don’t even nessicarily have to be married to have have kids, it’s kinda just a big question mark, which leads me to believe that it just isn’t super relevant to the story whether or not William had a wife.
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I agree I never liked the theory of her being possessed by Mrs Afton. But I believe she represents her nothing more.
The parallel between the song and the immortal and the restless dialogue isn’t just a coincidence though. Probably a case of Micheal/william’s memories of the mother influencing things
By watching your recent videos and the ones that came before, I just can say Thank you Rye, for all the effort that you put in these videos, how you turn this disorienting timeline into something understandable, and how you go deep and beyond with the game's lore and information. Hope you get all the recognition that you deserve, and I'm happy to be a new slice :D
Thank you!!! That means so much!
I’ve been binging your videos the last few weeks while playing games or doodling, and your videos are very well put together. You present the theories and FNAF lore in a very clear way, and the videos are very well edited. 😊
Thank you! I try and I'm glad you think so
Me too! I started binging all his stuff and I'm glad to say I'm a subscriber, and i defo want to keep to his updates.
He presents everything in a calm and friendly way which I can really appreciate. After binging his and fuhnaff's videos, i tried to go through some of matpat's playlist, but it was an awful idea because the way he likes making his videos eerie and creepy, I ended up not being able to sleep and having nightmares when drifting off.. you think i would learn after the first two times i tried to go through the playlist XD i thought i was used to the animatronics
I freaking love the lore theories of fnaf and solving the puzzle that is it's story!!! If only it wasn't a horror game 😔
i think the implication of "not in the way it was intended" is murder, the way that the suit is being used at the time of that sentence being spoken
Oh, you're saying that not in the way it was intended is referring to her putting Michael in it in the moment. That's possible
@RyeToast yeah exactly! in the novel trilogy thats also how the springlock suits are being used on one of the characters after being captured by "Dave"
Aight. I think some of your steps off the beaten path (Later That Night being after The Bite of 83, the girl in the dog arcade game being a girl from FNAF 4) are going too far. But I really like this video for how it interprets William Afton. I think this video does a great job at managing to join the two characterizations of Purple Guy, the pre-SL "Unrepentant serial killer who mows kids down" guy with the post-SL "Loving father who's a mad scientist" guy. Him starting his killings as revenge and then it becoming about reviving Crying Child after he notices the possessions is a smart look. I'm also fully convinced now that FNAF 4 is Michael Afton's dreams based on that detail of the FNAF 1 phone call being played in reverse, and this is the best answer I've ever seen for the FNAF 1 newspapers saying that someone was convicted for the murders, that being Henry who William framed.
I think this video is stellar, and is a very good look at the series from relatively fresh eyes by trying to escape the books and just looks at them with as blind an eye as possible.
Thank you! And yeah I think some of the details of this timeline are going to be wrong, especially because I'm not taking anything post-UCN or book related into account. But I'm glad you see the utility in doing it this way as well!
I have a theory and it's that mrs.afton dies first which motivate william to start killing and that the purple character we see fnaf world drown ending is actually her
That's possible. But why would her death start his killing?
@@RyeToast maybe he found out about remnant and immortality after killing charlotte so he wanted some to try and revive her
@@omaraliwan437 So the death of his wife prompted him to kill Charlotte?
@@derrickdaniels3955 no I think he killed her beforehand
Hmm, intriguing
One thing I think you missed: Chica's dead dog. In FNAF 6 in the fruity maze game, a dead dog is shown, then mentioned by Afton. Then, in the UCN cutscenes, Chica mentions something about running over someone's dog, and Mangle is loosely referred to as a dog. In addition, in FNAF 2, Mangle has no voice lines. Maybe Mangle was an early experiment of Afton's?
Edit: It was Toy Chica, not regular Chica. She said she would say that someone ran over the wolf's dog in order to get him to come to her house. Also, in the other cutscene, Foxy flat out says that Mangle is a dog.
That's kinda disproven by later games where Mangle does have voice lines
YES Henry being framed for the MCI makes so much sense
This whole thing sounds so good. I'm so excited for the full timeline video!
Michael being "The One You Should Not Have Killed" (TOYSHNK for short) is definitely a unique theory that I can't recall hearing before haha, but there was one thing that stuck out to me when you were explaining it, and that was you saying Golden Freddy twitching away was Michael showing him "this is what you did" basically with his "greatest crime" (which I can assume you're talking about Crying Child's bite), but we know that was ENTIRELY Michael's fault and his doing, and you said earlier on that Fredbear was HENRY's creation (so William killed his daughter for that reason etc.) So William didn't do anything to cause the Bite itself and couldn't have prevented it because he didn't even make the suit (so it's not like his regret/"crime" is making it or anything)
although I can see how you're putting it all together, to me that Golden Freddy cutscene is the thing that sort of breaks the Michael being TOYSNHK
but everything else in this video I could agree with or at least see where you're coming from haha, great video! :)
First off 👋
But you raise a good point, thinking about it. The crying child isn't really Williams fault at all. I have to think of a better interpretation of the Golden Freddy scene if I want to argue that Michael is TOYSNHK. This really is where the books come in handy with trying to figure out the timeline, the games do seem to point that whoever is possessing golden freddy is behind ultimate custom night, but the game's never cue us into who that would be besides the crying child. And we all know the crying child can't be TOYSNHK. I'll think about this one writing the final script, good call out!
@@RyeToast Although I personally disagree with it being Michael (like you said - due to the books and stuff outside games) I would say the interpretation of the cutscene if it's Michael doing it all, would be instead of showing William his "greatest crime", moreso his biggest loss and/or sadness - it would still fit your idea of Michael taunting William, just not quite for something he did but something that effected him the most
Thankyou for having a better excuse for William killing Cassidy.
Also Henry being in jail makes a ton of sense.
I'm glad you think so!
Actually the text color from the end of the game and the usual color for Fred Bear plush is a slightly different shade of yellow
this is seriously one of the best timelines made of fnaf ever, and it's even more impressive since you used ONLY the games to make a cohesive and honestly compelling plot, especially for William Afton. It's much more in line with the original theory that his children dying drove him mad, and it makes better sense/story rather than him being a killer for no reason other than petty ones.
Also I've never heard anyone else make that connection with Michael and it makes him screaming angrily at him in OMC's area make so much sense, and it even FINALLY convinced me on the FNAF4 you play as Mike theory.
Also Henry being in jail makes so much sense considering his absence, it really ties it all together
Seriously amazing video, you deserve so much more attention and hopefully more come to your content!
I hadn't even thought how (relatively) small your channel is. I've definitely been looking forward to seeing your videos each week and I've already binged you a few times. btw, we need more cat.
Yeah I really only started getting traction last January, so I'm still definitely making a name for myself. Thank you!
Wendigoon has a solid timeline for FNAF the FNAF games before help wanted and security breach. Felt realistic and human. Definitely what got me interested in the franchise beyond a passing knowledge from internet osmosis.
I do like wendigoon's timeline, although I disagree with a few things. It's perfectly valid though
@@RyeToastThe only problem I had w/ Wendigoon's take was that he outright dismisses everything from Help Wanted onwards. Kind of a disrespectful gesture IMO, but I guess he wanted to solely focus on the original 6 games and leave everything after that as a new story.
@@bluegold1026 Not really. His complaints are valid.
Help Wanted + Secruity Breach are terrible and very cash grabby. FNAF - UCN is the only timeline worth caring about.
@@JBonjubia Opinions don't equal facts. HW and SB are still FNAF games whether you like them or not.
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Never said they weren't FNAF Games Ben, I stated they aren't worth caring about.
Just because they exist: doesn't mean we need to divert attention to them if we don't want too.
In this case Wendigoon didn't. It still isn't ignorant. *Actually read my comment next time around, because it appears you didn't.*
I'm unsure how I feel about the UCN and FNAF world and Michael theory. It feels like kind of a stretch, but it's also such a GOOD narrative that links up with all of the characters motivations so well that I want it to be true.
Hello Rye, I loved the theory of the timeline, it really put the Afton storyline in one neat bowtie, and I agree with about 90% of what you've built so far. However, there are a few things that I want to discuss if ever you see them: [I REALLY hope this comes to your attention]
FNAF 2 happens AFTER Sister Location:
-For starters, we need to take into account the fact that Michael is a possessed corpse by the time of FNAF 1 searching for his father, and this is supported by the "Foul Odor" and "Tampering with the animatronics" in his pink slip. Why is this important? In FNAF 2 there is a separate character in the custom night called Fritz Smith that is also fired for the same reasons of odor and tampering. This can't just be a coincidence, the best reasoning for this has to be Michael starting his quest to find William Afton as far back as FNAF 2.
-I think this could also be a contradiction that makes Sister Location occur before FNAF 2 instead of after, because you've mentioned the Dead Child Incident leading to the situation that leads to Afton creating the Funtime Animatronics, and I cannot think of any other way for the Funtimes to be created except the Follow Me minigames of FNAF 3 which only throws both our theories off.
Cassidy/Golden Freddy is One You Should Not Have Killed and not Michael:
-Even without the books and the whole two spirit Golden Freddy theory, I still think whoever is in the soul of Golden Freddy is the one keeping Afton in hell and not Michael. For one, the Golden Freddy cutscene at the end of UCN is too important to be regarded as simply a reminder by Michael as the two characters aren't connected strongly enough. Besides, I think Michael would have been happy to pass on into the afterlife with all the freed souls now that his suffering could end, and I just don't believe the death trap motive isn't strong enough since Michael was fruitful in his efforts for finding Elizabeth.
-This is another thing people forgot to mention as well that in UCN after some jumpscares you will see the face of a strange child when you brighten the screen. That child could not have been there for no reason unless it was the malevolent spirit. Aside from that, you also hear the child's voice with the Mediocre Melodies and Michael as full grown undead adult could not have made that type of whisper.
-Next, the Fredbear jumpscare when you D-coin Golden Freddy. This confirms that Fredbear and Golden Freddy are in fact the same animatronic, a springlock suit stuck in an unmoving state based on its slumped position. Since GF is such, I'd be vengeful too if the Puppet put me into the one animatronic that had no movement like the others and could only interact with the night guard as a spirit or with hallucinations.
-Finally, the fifth spirit in FNAF 3. If it is true that the Happiest Day Minigame was made for the Crying Child, and the four other kids are of Freddy Bonnie Chica and Foxy, then that's only their souls that move on. Unfortunately, this mean's that the Vengeful Spirit's soul was NOT put to rest by Charlie, leaving it alone to torment William for eternity.
The Bite of 87:
-Also I know this is a minor event now and unimportant to the Afton timeline but it would be wise to include Jeremy FItzgerald as the FNAF 2 guard and how with evidence presented he proceeds to be the Bite of 87 victim Phone Guy mentions in FNAF 1, however I think this is still important to be added because it is a consequence of the Dead Child Incident, where we know two things from this:
1. Phone Guy becomes the night guard after Jeremy is switched to the day shift and will be the night guard until his untimely death in FNAF 1.
2. Jeremy being changed to the day shift means the already possessed toy animatronics had a familiar target to attack plus the suspicion towards all adults.
-I think this animatronic was Mangle, and this isn't just because of the whole frontal lobe biting jumpscare that everyone is talking about, but actually a detail that one of your other commenters mentioned in the previous video. Mangle was the only other active animatronic on the night of the dead child incident, meaning she likely saw the killer as well being purple guy in the process of dismantling Withered Freddy. Mangle would be the most likely to attack an unsuspecting adult if they believed Jeremy to be William especially as a security guard.
Maybe the face when he dies is CC.
And also the fact that Fredbear shows up after trying to kill GF is tied to the fact above that Michael reminds Afton of the Bite of '83 and where it all started. Heck, it might be that Michael communicates with Cassidy, keeping both of them in the suit and the hell and using these informations against Afton.
The Survival Logbook is proof that Cassidy is talking to Michael.
Another giant glaring hole in the "Mike is the The One You Should Not Have Killed" theory is that all of the Aftons are British and the kid is clearly not. Also, as you said, Michael was an adult when he died, so why would he have such a vastly different voice in death?
i get why people would think SL takes place BEFORE FNAF 2, but i don't think it's the case.. you see, "Tempering with animatronics and Odor" probably is just a joke SC did for the Custom Night (because you can select which dificulty you want to play, 0/20.. Odor would be because the player stink after beating 20/20 modes), to me it makes more sense for SL to take place AFTER FNAF 1, because it would explain why William Afton was destroying the FNAF 1 animatronics, to melt and use for parts for the Funtimes (also it would make Elizabeth born in 83 and it would be enough time for her to grow up a bit and be killed by Baby.. There's a teaser in Special Delivery of Mangle with a background being of a baby, because there's a crib there.. similar to FNAF 4)
I think mike is still alive after the scooping because there was some leftover remnant on the scooper, and the scooper is meant to inject remnant, so it injected some leftover stuff into him
I believe so as well
Love this video. And I even sort of agree with fnaf world's placement. But I will say you skipped the survival logbook which is cannon too the games and confirms Cassidy's name, plus that face is of Scott's kid, which doesn't really fit with Michael. Other than that this is the best timeline I've ever seen. Thanks for commenting on my Midnight motorist video, hope it played a role in this one!
honestly really like the ideas you layed out for us- im still iffy on the whole "Micheal being the vengeful spirit" but I cant really think of anyone else that would fit it better
I'm not sure I agree on SL's place in the timeline, or Michael being "the one you shouldn't have killed". But everything else is wrapped up with a nice bow, clearly explained, and makes sense. Which is more that can be said about 90% of fnaf theories. Well done sir.
25:51, I think this is a common misconception. The reason Michael's spirit was able to reanimate his corpse was due to the remnant injected into him by the scuper (blueprints show us that the scuper is a remnant injector) at the end of Sister Location. Not because of some indomitable will or motivation.
Agony empowered with remnant makes Michael a great fit along with Cassidy
This is probably my favorite interpretation of the fnaf timeline. Great work
I'm glad!
The most interesting points that stuck out to me:
1. I like your theory about what gets Afton going.
2. FNAF 2 before Sister Location. - What does this imply about who we play as?
3. Michael being the one who "You should not have killed."
4. Ultimate Custom Night being connected to FNAF World. - I am concerned about how that fits into the timeline if we are playing as Crying Child in FNAF World.
This really makes the most sense out of all I've seen! You really worked your ass off for this, tbh
Props to the RyeToast community, and I'll be sure to turn up for the charity stream! I hope you have a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Happy Hanukkah (this is a personal from me)/Ect!
I'm glad you think so, thank you! Happy Holidays to you to! (And a Happy Yule from me!)
MatPat should react to this like the way he reacted to FuhNaff's Security Breach theories.
Yes! Finally, someone who agrees that William framed Henry for the missing children’s incident!
I'm glad I could back you up!
i really like your take on the timeline, but linking those 5 children to the missing children actually makes the most sense to me. ive watched matpat explain the lore of fnaf since the beginning, so seeing that the five children in fnaf4 might actually be the missing children incident is kinda mind blowing, especially considering that the 5 children you pointed out are 2 females and 3 males - 1 female being cassidy (assuming the canonicity of her existence) and the other 4 possessing the fnaf1 animatronics. as for the fnaf6 and fnaf world, yea it does seem controversial, but also unfalsifiable given scott's lack of discussion and commentary on it and fuhnaf's interpretation of it
Right? At some points you really can argue for a lot of things using the lore we have. Because a lot of the lore itself is just interpretation. Thank you, by the way!
I physically cannot wait until RyeToast merch exists so that I can start more conversations about these theories than I already do 😭😭😭
You might not have to wait as long as you think 🤫😉
@@RyeToast 😱😱😱😱
I wonder if the reason why there are blueprints to other locations on the (sister location)'s camera map is that William Afton actually had cameras connected from his bunker to those locations? Maybe this even implies that those locations be connected closely to William Afton?
That's definitely possible
Yes! I've aleays wondered if it was possible, and I've even tried making my own timeline with this in mind
It's definitely weird, and I don't think fully correct. But if you only take the games into account up to ultimate custom night, I think this is the best we get
11:18
Wasn't it found out that the text color during the 'I will put you back together' was slightly different then the yellow used by the Fredbear plush throughout the rest of the game?
I mean, I don't know what means in the end, or if it means anything at all. But it is worth pointing out.
It's hard to tell. And if so there's a chance it's an error
William talking to the child through the fredbear plush implies he wasn't psychically present at his deathbed. So it's probably a text error, cause William would just be talking to him and not through fredbear, unless there's some weird shit where he does both, and the "I will put you back together" is William speaking without the plush.
11:00, definitely disagree. "A wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this." - HRY223, FNaF 6 Insanity Ending.
I get that, but couldn't that be interpreted as murder? Ostensibly, the crying child's accident is just that, an accident. Not something being inflicted on anybody. But, Charlie's death being Williams first murder does still fit the bill for a wound first inflicted on me. At least that's my thinking
@@RyeToast I can see that as a valid interpretation, but HRY223 stating that his wound was the one that started "all of this" signifies importance. I'd say that if the Crying Child died first, it would be the death that started everything else in the franchise. After all, that's what caused the closing of Fredbear's, death of William's son, Michael's guilt (and future plot point), bad rep for the franchise, etc. So if he was only talking about murders, I don't see why he would say his daughters death is what started everything. I know that your interpretation of Midnight Motorist is different, but the common belief implies the Crying Child is alive after the Puppet is possessed. Other evidence outside of the games also seems to confirm she was the first death etc etc but I know that isn't being used in your timeline.
7:30 It can just be explained as the Toy animatronics are newer than the Toy designs.
The toys, especially being plastic and simple, may have just been made as merchandise. Then, after the Bite incident, they decided to use those successful designs which weren't as closely associated with the incident.
Or, the toy designs already existed. Just the new Toys in the game are new.
7:50 That doesn't mean FNaF 4 was real. Just the location.
8:15 Again, no reason to think it's crazy that there are multiples.
9:35 There's nothing to gleam with him calling it "some yellow suit" rather than "springlock suit". If it was a commonly used tech, he'd feel no need to call it by its specific technical name. If it was not commonly used and he *didn't* know the technical name, he would still call it that, since that's just the literally just the physical description of it. All this tells us, is that specific suite wasn't particularly special individually.
It's crazy the differences you get with a TL creation depending if you use the games only or every side merch
The “toy” animatronics could just be interpretations of the various toys we see in the mini games.
That's fair, I wonder if the toy animatronics were built based off of toys that had existed already. Not necessarily that the toys that have existed were about animatronics. Could explain that away
@@RyeToast that could also be true, like if Chuck E. Cheese’s made animatronics based on POP Figures of their animatronics?
I just watched the first contradiction and I have to say that those toy animatronics we find in fnaf4 minigames may be just that: toys, and then they decided to make a new location on which they used the old models for toys in order to develop new more-loveable characters. It's just a theory, a pov, although maybe this "repeares" that contradiction. Needless to say, we always can find some sort of solution for everything, so...
btw, this prespective maybe, just maybe, could help us in the interpretation of the phrase "why toy chica is not wearing her mouth?" (I dont remember the exact words, but sure you know what I am refering at). I have passed a lot of time thinking "what would happen, what would happen if that Scott's phrase is not refearing to the deservely-unloved dream-theory???"
You know, Them just being toys does fix a lot of issues
I do think the idea of the Michael being the vengeful spirit keeping William trapped makes a lot of sense.
The only thing I would say doesn't necessarily line up is the age of the person. The vengeful spirit is stated to be a young boy or a young girl- it needs to work as either, but YOUNG is specifically designated. I don't think Michael is very young based on what we've seen.
Also, I do think narratively that the reason why there are some inconsistencies between FNaF 4 and the other games is likely due to the fact that the game was probably intended originally to show that everything was likely all a dream.
I know Scott has gone away from whatever he was originally planning the story of FNaF 4 to be, but I do wish we could have at least known what his original intention was.
Yeah. As weird as it would have been for everything to have been a dream, at least it was cohesive lol
@@RyeToast
Yeah. I think the old Game Theory video was probably correct. The one speculating that what was originally intended to be inside of the box was likely a collection of toys that all inspired the games in some way- old withered FNaF plushies that had been over used and over loved- retired due to strange smells and falling apart.
Toy versions like Mangle and what we see elsewhere. And a Springtrap that you can accidentally get your fingers pinched inside of.
It doesn’t solve EVERYTHING though, so that’s why I’d be really interested to see what exactly Scott’s vision was. Did the Crying Child actually see any murders? Did he not? How much of the story was truly imagined and how much was based on his reality?
It could be Michael's spirit in the afterlife takes the form of his young child version. Might be an explanation idk.
@@higiyoyt5889 Then why did he lose his accent??
I think that when William years about fnaf 6 he realises it's a trap (because of his voice lines saying "i knew it was a trap the moment I heard it") and placed a bit of his soul inside the old circuit birds that then get scanned into help wanted. This would explain how even after the fire he still survived.
I am quite shore of this theory but I don't see many people of any talking about it
I think so to, this makes sence
Huge appreciation to you for calling Henry HRY223 and not Henry Emily. The fandom went on a really weird tangent with that one.
Yeah, I think it is likely that his name is Henry Emily based on the books, but if you don't take the books into account, the best we can do is either Henry or Harry, so at that point might as well just stick with HRY
@@RyeToast My issue with "Henry Emily" is that it's based on Charlie's grave saying "Charlotte Emily", and someone (MatPat?) just kinda insisting that that means Emily *must* be her forename and surname... rather than a forename and middle name. That would actually be pretty normal on a grave, especially for a child in a family plot.
So for now I'm going to say that Henry's surname is Twotwothree.
@@FTZPLTC 223 is likely 2*0*23, the year
@@FTZPLTCThere was one piece of well known FNAF fan media (don't remember exactly what) but it gave Henry (or "HRY's") the last name of Stillwater. Ever since I found it, I've used that surname for both Henry and Charlotte (so her full name would be Charlotte Emily Stillwater)
@@FTZPLTCwhy would you only put a first and middle name on a grave
Another thing to note is that the date for the paycheck in fnaf 2 does not line up with the fact phone guy records the message welcoming you to your “summer job”
Yes I think we can make it possibly adding the storyline, characters, animtronocs and and also i think that the little girl in the poster might be vannessea childhood memories as kid to remind her but hey folks this all just a theory except this #RyeToastto100k
I think we can to! And thanks for the confidence!
You've convinced me Mike is a valid contender for UCN's "the one you should not have killed". I'm still tempted by the idea that if it's Cassidy then Midnight Motorist is probably their father, who is too drunk to realize the broken window and foot prints indicate Afton lured the child away (in the cloth Help Wanted yellow suit). However, your point of Mike not just passing on, but participating in UCN seems really tangible. I've also thought it would be strange if Henry just passes on; like why are dead children proven to haunt, but we just assume these three adult men have the ability to just pass on? Even if Henry did nothing wrong, he is probably bitter like Mike would be; assuming one passes and one is stuck or simply both pass is a little silly. You're doing a good job at shaking up the narrative and I think that's what the "spirit" of this type of story telling is all about; creating a mystery that needs lots of different perspectives to eventually put it all together.
LET'S GO. PART 3. IVE BEEN WAITING FOR IT
LETS GET THIS BREAD
@@RyeToast btw at 17:23. you have to ignore what was happening in fnaf 4. because fnaf 4 and all of the other games tell a different story. since Scott changed it from dream theory to a real story. basically those toys were to show that its a dream. thank god scott changed it later
28 minutes? Let’s go! I am prepared. I have my knitting, and I have my head phones. Now it is time to go even further down the fnaf rabbit hole.
Tbh I am kind of scared of the chaotic energy radiating form the thumbnail, lol
Ooooh what are you knitting? I'm about to start a new blanket come January
@@RyeToastso, I’m makeing a blanket for my little brother, but it’s patchwork, kind of? I found a pattern for the surprised picachu meme, so I’m working on makieng a bunch of those to see together. It’s a bit more complex than I expected, buts it’s fun. I can’t just knit I have to be watching something, so while I knit i somehow always manage to get deeper and deeper into fnaf lore, so the time it works out impeccably well.
I actually love this interpretation, bc even though there are some assumptions being made, it makes the most sense when only considering the games. And especially with the considerations for Henry being in jail and the Aftons being a somewhat regular family beforehand. It never sat right that Henry is just MIA for ages, then destroys it all, or that William is just some psycho. The only thing this theory doesn't really address is the animatronic footsteps outside of the broken window in Midnight Motorist, or maybe I missed it lol. Either way, as someone who doesn't read the books, or dig deep into code ect, this timeline is shaping up to be my favorite, bc it's based in the things accessible to everyone, and you treat the characters as rational entities. The games do not exist in a bubble where reality doesn't exist.
Alright, I’m back at it again, the cats timeline
A black cat, just chilling-0:00- 0:38
The boi is back 3:42- 3:53
You cna see a little bit of the kitty from 26:34- 27:39
You can see the cats tail as it walks out at 27:39
Also, I love the button to jsur add time stamps, it’s such a time saver!!!!!
I didn't even know that it was a button!
I really enjoy the kitties in all of your videos!
I'm glad!
Congrats on 50k! I've never played any of these games, but I love watching lore videos about them. You have such a pleasant way of explaining things, especially with regards to this series. Definitely going to have to watch your other videos. :D
I find it weird having Sister Location taking place before FNAF 1 since the FNAF 6 audio with Henry describes the events of William luring the animatronics and taking them apart in the fnaf 3 mini games. This coupled with the candy cadet stories of melting 5 souls together implies that the animatronic parts of the mci was melted into remnant and inserted into the funtimes (except Baby) AFTER fnaf 1. This places sister location events after fnaf 1.
Also Michael is confirmed to be the fnaf 3 security guard by the sister location ending. Since Michael experiences hallucinations of fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 animatronics, we can deduce that he is the security guard (at least for night 6) of fnaf 2. The fnaf 2 and 1 guards get fired for the same reasons implying that it was the same security guard which further supports that Michael is security guard for at least the first three games. It seems in general that Michael is the person we play as for every single fnaf game (except for the majority of fnaf 2). My theory is that after the DCI in the FNAF 2 location (which is what causes the lockdown), the owners tried contacting the original owners of fredbears family diner which would be William and/or Henry. Michael could have been made aware of Williams murders through this contacting and he begins to investigate. Therefore he starts investigating the fnaf 2 location in the custom night (night 7).
I really like this and I would like to add a few things. Glad to finally see someone talk about the DCI. People always tend to ignore them.
In sister location there’s cameras that have a red light blinking showing someone’s watching. You see this in primary control module, scooping room, implied by CB to be in parts room.
CB says on Night 5 The cameras are watching.”
Baby calls Ennard “Ballora.”
In fnaf6 Molten Freddy’s blueprint the fun times have security tags on them. Which was likely used by William to track the funtimes cause they constantly escaped.
“I have been out before.” - CB
“They always put us back, when we look like this. But if we look like you. Then we would have somewhere to go.” - CB
In fake ending
“We won’t be able to try again.” - Ennard
In fnaf4 I’m pretty sure Nightmare has an ambulance siren in his jumpscare.
While Nightmare Fredbear has older brother laugh which was the last thing BV heard before being rushed to the hospital.
Although I don’t agree with Mike being the person running ucn because the animontronics make it clear the person running ucn is someone William killed.
But its an interesting concept.
all great catches, i wish some of these were more talked about
specifically, the other times the funtimes have managed to escape, and who's watching the cameras in sister location... for that matter, there's other workers?? i've always wanted to know more about what's going on there, whether it matters in regards to the lore or not
@@ediblefredibleAfton Robotics seems to be running the location on their own despite Fazbear Entertainment being gone, given they're said to have essentially opened in response to Freddy's closing, and things like someone having died before in the vents in the location showing they've been operating for some time.
@@alpacalover0 but who's in charge of afton robotics and giving orders and such at that point if not william? it's just odd to me that they would continue on without him, when the whole company was a front for child murder/remnant experimentation to begin with lol...
@@ediblefredibleAny good company has a contingency plan for anything that goes wrong. He probably left them a lot of instructions on what to do with everything were he to die. It'd explain why they're working on scooping the Funtimes during SL, seemingly permanently (at least so they can give them new endos without the haunted metal parts inside). It's interesting to note that FNAF AR in universe is called the Fazbear *Funtime* Service and has a whole gameplay mechanic around collecting the remnant, light and dark, that was produced by you warding off the animatronics and releasing your emotional energy into the environment around you.
@@alpacalover0 well sure, it's just i would think the contingency plan in this situation would basically be to just shut it all down so nothing that happened there would get out lmao (figuratively and literally)
but tbf you're not wrong, he probably did leave them with instructions and all, it wouldn't be out of character lol. at the same time though, why send mike as well then? why not just have him do everything if you're sending him down there to do the real dirty work anyway lol..
as for fnaf ar, i've honestly never made that connection. the *funtime* service, the remnant collecting.. not to mention the fact that it's a rental service, same as the bunker. interesting.
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What a fascinating take!! Using only the game lore almost creates a new story to experience, just as engrossing! I miss the days of og fnaf so much and I'm glad people are still talking and theorizing about them ^_^
I'm excited to see your next video!
i love how cohesive this timeline is, and i love how you used only stuff from the games and didnt really base points on fanon assumptions that are normally considered canon. i discovered your channel about a month ago as i was dipping my toes into fnaf lore for the first time since i was a kid, and i gotta say i really admire how much work you put into your videos. theyre just soo good and this one is no exception. also i love your cats lol
I really like these theories you are making. I take pieces from so many different theorists to create my own perfect timeline. This video helped clear things up in the ever growing mess that is this lore. Thanks!
So if the yellow guy is William are the same person, and the yellow matches the Fred bear plush's text colour, aaaannnd later that night takes place just after he kills Charlie, then perhaps the point of him being yellow instead of being purple, is because this takes place before he kills all 5 children, and stuffs them (using the spring bonnie suit)?
Edit:
Just saying, this is a thought quickly put together. Mainly just because it always annoyed me, and had me thinking "why the two different colours if it's the same person." but then, if this is true, then I think it'd make sense for the two colours to used.
And it matches the text from Fruity Maze! (which is also william)
@@RyeToast I'll fully admit, I wrote the reply part way through the video. But I just had another thought:
Perhaps rather than yellow being used to show William before the first 5 kills, maybe it'd make more sense for the colour to show that it's William before he knew about remnent?
Your explanation of midnight motorist is the most satisfying and simple I’ve ever seen👏🏻👏🏻 Good job Ryetoast!
I see the logic in Michael being the vengeful spirit, especially with no mention of Cassidy in the games, but I do still like it being Cassidy - that every dead child has their own story and Cassidy was unable to act until their spirit was released at the end of FNAF6. But now they are free to act in the afterlife, they take the reins and enact decades of hatred upon Afton.
I think Cassidy's torture is so brutal *because* they didn't even have autonomy inside the Golden Freddy suit. They just sat there for decades, doing nothing, losing their mind and getting angrier at William as time marched on. And I think there's no better person to torture Afton in the afterlife that someone both he and the narrative views as inconsequential - a previously nameless child who was murdered.
***Almost 60k ?? Rye, I know you don't know me & I'm just another internet person, but I gotta say I'm really really proud. You have done an amazing job keeping up with your growth, keeping your content in YOUR style & really challenging some FNAF things that I think have just always been assumed as "canon" . Stoked to see that you're getting sponsors too, I still remember your first one (Thanks Morgan & Morgan haha), and the fact this has continued is awesome. Your sponsor segments are engaging, unique, tie into that un-easy horror vibe & really show your personality. Can't wait till your charity stream. Money is a bit tight for me at the moment, I've finished work for the year and don't start back coaching gymnastics until the beginning of the school year (Feb in New Zealand), but Ill donate what I can, I'll be there watching & share with anyone I know who is into FNAF! Congratulations on everything - you should be so proud
Thank you so much! But please keep in mind look after yourself first! Never feel like you /have/ to donate to charity or otherwise. When a plane crashes the instructions are to put a mask on yourself first, because you can't help anyone if you pass out. The same goes for charity, please try to make sure that you are safe, supported, and doing well as a first priority. But again, thank you for the kind words!!!
This is a great theory, I see where you are coming from and how the lore connects to what your saying. Good job
Thank you! I'm glad you think so
yass new episode, love your videos Rye!
Thank you! I'm glad
I will say with the toys it's possible they were originally literal toys some kinda line with a special art style it's pretty common with stuff like transformers and the dc animated stuff to have you exclusive versions of characters from the show
I honestly like this motive a lot more. it sets a good rivalry up between henry and william, and michael and william. it finally answers midnight motorist in a satisfying way too
my knee hurts :[
I'm sorry man!
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15:19 There is footprints that resemble those of an animal/animatronic in the bushes outside the window.
4:51 LMAOO I LOVE THE SOUBD EFFECTS
Only problem I have with this timeline is the pink slip from FNAF 2. Fritz is fired for odor, same as in FNAF 1; meaning Michael was already dead and scooped before FNAF 2 takes place.
Now there is the possibility that he's fired for odor for messing with the animatronics since they stink, not because he's been scooped
Also, it's likely that the Sister Location and BB animatronics were from William's failed business before they became what they are now, but with the death of William's daughter it had to be shut down and that's how they both become partners. But William was angry because Henry was more successful and was given most, if not all, of the credit for both their work and possible jealous that Henry and Charlie got along so well as a family while William's family was running on fumes after Elizabeth died, William did leave his children alone afterward and there still has to be a reason why William didn't want his children to go to the FNAF location.
The only reason I hesitate is I think he needs a compelling reason to build the funtimes, because the funtimes are specifically built to kidnap and kill children. So there needs to be a really good reason for him to do that in my opinion
Good theory! I personally think that Fredbears is the first location, and Charlie does since William wanted Henry to feel the same pain he did. He got a rush out of it so he killed 5 more, which he melted down to turn into the Funtimes after the merge. I ALSO think that he discovered remnant before the FNaF 1 MCI, just because he also needed another, better reason (pronounced “excuse”) for killing imo. However I do think that SL takes place after FNaF 3 and 4. Maybe the protagonist in that game is Michael and the MINIGAME protagonist is CC/Evan?
@@RyeToast well, Baby does explain to us how she lost control and couldn't stop herself from killing Elisabeth. If she was designed to kill kids then she would know that was what she was made for. If she was designed to kill kids then why Elisabeth instead of all the other kids, that's honestly the question I see no one asking, why Elisabeth of all people.
Also, Elisabeth's possession of Baby has to be the reason why Circus Baby's Pizzaria shut down, so how can William be partners with Henry and run his own restaurant at the same time otherwise.
@@forkalamari6093 I agree, but we see William leave the scene after Charlie dies, so there has to be some repercussions from that happening to the restaurant.
@@DJBurns-jq8mn The reason they killed Elizabeth was because she was alone,
I think.
Having Michael being the one you should not have killed makes sense with what you were saying. However, in sister location he isn't angry with his father. He was confused how he was alive in the first place. Plus the thing he got scooped with was the remnant INJECTOR. So what if the spirit of golden freddy or some other animatronic was injected into Michael. That would explain how he would still be alive but confused about it. This would also explain why he gets golden freddy hallucinations during the games.
I have a handful of things in this that I don’t think make too much sense (Susie in fruity maze is a vivid blonde while the girl from the FNAF 4 mini games is like a sandy brown, a few of the leaps with Michael including him being the locked child in midnight motorist doesn’t click right for me) but the big thing is despite the fact that I like the idea of William breaking down the FNAF 1 animatronics for their remnant to keep experimenting, I don’t think the timeline works out on the safe rooms being sealed with him inside if this is in a crappy, run down pizzaria nobody cares about, what would be the point? Seems more likely that it was sealed while the franchise was more popular as a forget and ignore type of deal, and would seem like a pretty big undertaking If the franchise had no life left in it.
That said I really love your take on the FNAF 2 animatronics being partially possessed, parts and service does imply that partial remnant transfer would occur!
Ya that's my main problem with this timeline. William has to die before phone guy and FNAF 1. Phone guy is the one who announces to us that the safe rooms are being sealed off. And we know Springtrap was sealed off in the safe rooms of the FNAF 1 location based off the minigame.
It's generally believed that the safe rooms were sealed off by henry sorry hry to lock away Williams dying corpse. However in his theory Hry is in jail but if he's in jail then who sealed the safe room with Springtrap inside?
Also to add some extra evidence we know that after the SL mini with Micheal that he possess himself and claims he is going to come find his father. This implies his father is either missing/dead already after or during the events of SL.
If you transform the book enough though commentary and critique / criticism you can get away with a lot of it. Rekieta law readed an entire book through several streams of his. It took him and his co-host almost 2 hours for each chapter because the guy who wrote it was crazy. So the co-host had to explain to him that the guy was as weird as his writing would make you think.
About the second one, I think that the SisterLocation's map is actually a representation of how Afton connected his house with his "weird basement"; I mean: the maps on sister location about fnaf4 are not literal, but "simplified" or "intended" for making us to understand that Afton was watching out after "his family", and I would asume he was locking after the CryingChild; just because of the freadbear plushie we find on slocation's secret room.
p.d.: I can not write in simple sentences, that's why I didn't pass the first exam jajajaj
I’ve never seen anyone have a Morgan and Morgan sponsorship lol 😂 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 congratulations
AHHH I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VID! I love listening to ur fnaf vids while i do my work
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Yeah; I Agree with Matpat's Newest theories about the Founding of Fazbear Entertainment INC(Not to be confused with Fazbear Entertainment LLC; As Founded by Elizabeth Afton); But Honestly. . . a More Understandable Catalyst for William to Start Killing; would be the Bite of 83; If that was the Catalyst that Was the Start of William's Transformation into a Monster; Angry at Henry's Design for KILLING HIS SON; He wanted Revenge against his Co-worker; so Since HENRY'S Creation ended up killing HIS son; He Decided to take it out on His Co-worker's Daughter so that Henry would know how it felt to lose his child; and Since he had YET to discover Remnant at this Point; IMMORTALITY was NOT what was on His Mind when He Killed Charlie; It was REVENGE against the Man who Created the Machine that killed HIS son!!
That's where I'm at. I think it makes a lot more sense for the bite of 83 to start Williams killings, not just jealousy. It just feels more natural. But everything else he said in that video felt spot on
@@RyeToast I Agree. . .
We have yet to see anything else in the games that Could've possibly turned him into a Killer!! No Seeking Immortality; Nothing that's as narratively boring & Unsatisfying as "He's Just an Evil Monster, Because we need an Antagonist for our game" nor anything just as Arbitrary as "He's A Killer Just because"
So excited for part 3!
I'm glad!!
congrats on 50k!!! im so happy for you, you deserve it! your videos are so cool and i cant believe you dont have hundreds of thousands subs by now :)
Lol well thank you! Maybe one day, but for now I'm just thankful that y'all enjoy the channel!
The alternative explanation for the SL springlock suit 'not used, or at least not how it was meant to be used' could be that rather than being worn by a Freddy's worker, it was used expressly for killing someone by having the springlocks compress.
In fnaf 3, phone guy says that the suits will be discontinued after 'multiple and simultaneous springlock failures'
This could also be the identities of shadow Freddy and shadow bonny who were strongly thought to be springlock victims
having my comment in a fnaf video is the highlight of my hundreds of hours watching fnaf content
It's the least I could do! Thanks for the help!
What if UCN takes place in molten fready (blob) and last game story ended in afton body + virus merging with afton soul
Very possible
Congrats buddy, you deserve those 50k subscribers, you’re a lot of fun to watch and you are pretty smart, you’re really good at explaining without going too far that ppl get lost.
I love when MatPat makes a new video cuz it will somehow affect your timeline and its cool to see 2 similar yet different versions of what happens
Wait a second I just realized everyone is making their timeline for FNAF
It is funny that three timelines are all coming out this month
Yeah
Didn't watch the video yet but I know it's going to be great one
I'm glad you're excited!
IDK about sister location's placement in the timeline, but you are the only one who has given me good enough motive for William to send Michael down. He kinda hates him after "Evan's" death and the animatronics were growing far too aggressive toward him.
I appreciate that! And yeah, SL's location never feels super solid to me no matter where on the timeline it's placed
I love the way you piece everything together, and I think there isn't a right or wrong way to theorize, so all in all great video I'm invested in this series