You deserve some type of award for putting the most preparation time into a single video. Appreciate all the detail you've gathered and put out there for us. For 40 years I've had just one single stage press on my bench that has never left me wanting more. Your research suggests there is good reason for my being content! Thanks Gavin.
bought my Rockchucker in 1975 has been on many benches since the 1st day, it loads 55 different calibers and has never once let me think about any other press, i think I still have the bill of sale
Wow! I hope people can appreciate just how much work, time and thought was put into this video! The custom tools to measure and compare, the ways you decided to have direct comparisons and tests is a true testament to how dedicated Gavin is. Great video brother this was awesome, now comes the difficult part of choosing one....
I bought my Lee 50 cal press 2 weeks to early dang it!!! The only reason I got it was for the bigger thread pattern for the neck only 338 die now I know many others have that pattern too if you remove the bushing....
Tonight...I bought the Redding Big Boss 2 Pro Reloading Kit for < $400. I thought, at these turbulent Times... Why not, get into reloading. NOW, if I can only find bullets,primers,& POWDER...Really appreciated the MOST through evaluation of the majority if not all single stage presses for at least this novice to hand loading. THANK YOU..
All I have to say is I've owned a Rock Chucker since the early very 80's. It has supplied ammo thru 30 years of National Match shooting, IPSC & PPS, hunting & plinking loads and is now turning out rounds for my PRS endeavor's including suppling all my friends and relatives with ammo in our current shortage. I can't come close to estimating how many rounds have passed thru that press but let's average it at 2000 rounds a year and subtract 10,000 in case anyone thinks I'm full of it. When I started shooting PRS I considered replacing it so being an engineer I broke out my measuring tools. I primarily concentrated on bore alignment, squareness and ram runout because there is plenty of float in the shell holder. Long story short at full ram extension there was only .0006 (6 ten thousandth's) runout in the ram. Squareness and alignment was spot on, less than .001" which was easily compensated for by the shell holder and I pulled out some loaded ammo and checked the runout in the ogive of the bullet. Most fell within .002" which I found to be variations in neck thickness of the brass and at least half of that was just over .001". I keep her clean and well lubed and needless to say I believe she will continue to crank out ammo for me for the rest of my years. Quality and performance like that speaks for itself.
I found one owned by old war vet that was sitting on the ground rusted solid… the old lady said 10$ ??? I took the offer and it’s my primary reloading press , after cleaning and reassembly …. Redding loader is sitting idle …. Might be in my mind but the Rcbs old dog has mojo and I don’t want to mess with that….. found was a yard sale and saw it laying on the ground of garage
After I ditched my Rockchucker for a Forster Co-ax about 20 years ago, reloading went from something I had to do, to something I wanted to do. Nothing wrong with the Rockchucker, but it's a basic tool that isn't particularly user friendly. Don't get me wrong, I loaded a ton of ammo on that old green machine, but I sure was much happier once I upgraded. I passed the old press onto a newbie that was just getting started who has put it to good use, and you couldn't pay me to go back.
@@lagoonrd4173You ditched better press for some broken (rusting on something as precise as press basically means its broken) randomly found junk? You are crazy.
Wow! Gavin has been creating great reloading TH-cam videos for a decade! Yet, his presentation and content always seems fresh and informative! No One! And I mean No One, is working this hard to keep us up to date like this guy! Thanks for all your effort, bud! This beer 🍺 is for you!
There needs to be another Academy Award category for Best Reloading Product Showcase/Shootout (wouldn't the libs go nuts for that one?!). Gavin, thank you for all of the money spent and incredible effort and thought that went into this masterpiece! I watched it twice 😁. I am favoring the RCBS Supreme, but it is clear through this video that there are a few machines that are extremely good alternatives; each for their own reasons. I know that I weigh in pretty late, but I just wanted to say 'good job'!
It is three years later. After watching your review of 14 reloading presses, I purchased the RCBS Summit reloading press. I went one step further by buying Hornady's Lock-N-Load Die Bushing 3-pack kit making die change over KISS! The RCBS Summit press is GREAT!
What an absolutely insane amount of work, expense and time. Great job! I am a competitive bench rest shooter and plinking shooter and anything that goes bang shooter. Hell I shoot rubber bands too. I love reloading. I have made ammo since 15 years old and I am 65. The plethora of tools is a blessing for us, but it is confusing even for me! I have several of the old Star reloaders as my primary tools. This needed to be done so badly. Thanks for a great job! Great analysis! So many people don’t understand reloading at all. They surly are mesmerized by all the equipment. Your recommendations tell people that good ammo can be made with all the presses. And match grade can be made with most of them. I think this will be the definitive reloading tooling video!
Thank You! I picked up an RCBS Summit because of the information you gave in the video and the Full Story. Works perfect and is much better then my other press.
Impressive, and no doubt when someone ask me again "which press should I buy for precision reloading?" I'll send them right here. Thanks for the massive work involved.
VERY STRANGE !!! No aluminum on my Turban press, it's all CNC steel(but not the bushing, I think they are bronze). Try with a magnet you will see, I am sure your Turban press is also made of steel(frame, guidance, ....)
I always wondered about the RCBS Summit, looked like a great concept and the results show it is a strong contender. Thanks Gavin for this video and your comprehensive report will stand the test of time. But it didnt help my wallet so thanks!?!?!
Well..... I always knew that my rock chucker was not holding me back. Trying to tell that to others was a hard task sometimes. A lot of people simply think because the Co Ax cost more it was superior. The rock chucker scored the best in a couple and really as good as any and better than most across the board. I really thought the MEC would score better in runout. Also next sometime someone says I’m not a “serious reloaded” until I get a Co-ax I’m going to hit them with this article 😝. ultimatereloader.com/2019/04/08/fourteen-reloading-presses-compared-single-stage-shootout/15/ I think a comparison on dies would be very interesting. I’m willing to bet that results would be very similar and that more money does not always mean better results. Thanks for the comparison.
Thank you for the AMAZINGLY detailed video. I was taught Benchrest shooting/reloading by a gentleman with knowledge like yourself. We try to reload to the level of psychosis. This video is so detailed that anyone can understand the tolerances of these presses ... The time you took for this video is greatly appreciated.
Excellent review, a lot of thought and hard work went into this video, I’m sure every reloader that rolls their own ammo greatly appreciates your effort in bringing us this review. Hopefully one day you might look at reviewing Turret presses . Cheers 🥂 🍻
I'm a long time fan. I really want to start reloading 223 & 300 blackout. I'm overwhelmed with all the info on the internet. Do you have a getting started buyers guide line up that would help newbies get started with single presses that would lead to turret presses as we progress with our skills and confidence Any help for "dummies" is appreciated. Thank You, Sir.
Extraordinary, preparation was well beyond expectations and extremely well thought out......spell binding and suspenseful waiting to see the data results. This is a new standard of excellence in making comparisons between reloading presses. Thank you very much.
I ordered 120 Heavy Prazzi Press almost 2 mts. ago. Still waiting on Thomas to contact me since they have to file paperwork with German Gov.for export approval. And I have Inline Fabrication base ...just waiting now.
Gavin I love this. I would love to see next a Scale VS Electric Scale powder/load comparison. Like something that puts the charges thrown and weighed against one another compares Muzzle velocity, SD, & ES. I say this b/c I have went from using the RCBS Charge master back to throwing and my old RCBS 5-10 scale with the roller wheel for the tenths. With the Charge Master my 6.5 Creedmoor loads running Berger bullets and H4350 I was getting SD of 2.5-5.0 which is really good for what I do. Now having not ran the loads weighed out by my scale over my Magneto Speed V3 and loading the very same specs I'm wondering if I'll get the same results. Would be cool to watch. Thanks
I have a fairly broad collection of mechanical reloading scales and mechanical powder measures I would love to do testing like this between them all. Or have you do it. Very good work!
@Mike Good Lord Man, I was trying to be humorous, it must have gone right over your head. If I need that level of precision I will just use a set of Arbor Press dies.
@C-Bomb ...as a master toolmaker I usually put my high dollar precision Starrett, Brown & Sharp or Swiss indicators that read in fifty millionth of an inch on my RCBS or Lee loaders and make just as precision rounds as his. Plus I get to use those indicators at work making top pay which is money better spent and saved for magazines or ammo products.
I like the Tip TIR tables especially. They show that the best TIRs are not turned in by the highest price presses. The RCBS ones turn in the most consistent TIRs. Careful comparison of all 14 tables will indicate that TIR is controlled by the uniformity of the brass cases more than any of the presses or dies.
From Portugal. Thank you for your videos. They are all amazing and we can learn a lot. However, I would like to see a specific video charging the caliber 6 mm Norma BR and .308 WIN, from the beginning to the end, made with the best Dies for BR.
Redding Big Boss, RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme or RCBS Summit. For targets 1000 meters and beyond, which of those three do I want? BTW, fabulous presentation, as always! Your channel is tops!
Agree ... This is a monumental contribution to the reloading community. Many thank you's to all your hard work, and analytical approach to your analysis.
Gavin Have you done a turret press comparison ? Your videos are most informative ! I have a single stage and a progressive and am considering a turret for obvious reasons. The T7 Redding with Creedmoor sports die head ?
Modern presses arent the concern.. there are die manufacturers that make some dies that arent very good or just substandard.. When i first started reloading in 77.. there were dies that you had to check and set properly or they would cause what was called at the time shoulder set back.. That is they would reshape a bottle neck case angle further back DOWN than the factory and put the brass case out of factory and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute SAAMI specs .. What does that cause? instant case separation.. which means you lose your chamber seal.. At an average of 57,000 psi you dont want that.. The most critical thing a reloader can do is check a resized and clean case through a case length headspace gauge.. and know how to use it .. if the gauge says go.. then prime it and powder fill it and seat the bullet.. if not discard the case for recycling .. its to dangerous to use.. heres what they look like i hope gavin doesnt mind the link th-cam.com/video/YDg2ifAsy5A/w-d-xo.html
Great job and a lot of work putting this together. I have had my old Bonanza since 1972, it has been consistent for near 50 years. Probably reloaded 9-10,000 rounds. Still right on the money. RCBS dies, bench rest and hunting calibres, it does them all. Again, great video.
@@joed2392: Yeah...I watched this whole thing just to see where the RC Supreme came in. I figured it would place in the top three. I've had mine for about ten years and couldn't be happier!
Thank you. Very informative and useful, unlike most TH-cam stuff. I think non-floating is better than floating because floating parts can misalign if the parts are not machined extremely precisely. The Forster co-ax depends on the die locking ring being machined so the ring flats are exactly 90 degrees to the center-line. I don't like to de-prime in the press due to all the junk that come out. I use a small arbor press with a dedicated de-priming pin.. And I use a hand primer tool because it gives much better feel than in-press priming. Do you have any data or experience that would indicate the lock-n-load bushing produces precision equal to 7/8 x 14 bushings?
I loved the video and all the work you put into it, but I was disappointed that the Redding ULTRAMAG was not part of the lineup. I think it would have bested the German press.
I would see a press, hear you talk about it and then think,”yeah, that’s the one I want!” Until the next press! LOL Great time to be a reloader , great presses at every price level. Hard to go wrong with any, but think I’m going with the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme. Thanks for your hard work!
Hi Gavin...fantastic analysis! I can see where you are questioning the value of "float" based upon your analysis, I am looking forward to what you will come up with here. But an even bigger question I now have based upon your data is the accuracy hit with the LnL system. The data you have shows the Hornady presses at the bottom of the list. Do you think this is due to the LnL system or to the flex in the Hornady presses or something else? I would be very interested in your viewpoint here! Thanks again!
Extraordinary video with very useful and helpful information. Thank you. I have accepted your challenge and I am diligently working on a computer model to determine and predict whether spent primers will fall to the left or right on the Rock Chucker primer catch system as a function of whether it is in the northern or southern hemisphere. At the moment I am at a standstill because I discovered that my Rock Chucker sends spent primers to both the left and right side catch trays. One conclusion is that some Rock Chucker's may be transprimers and I have been unable to incorporate that into my computer model.....any help would be appreciated.
Wow, totally nerded out but that's not a bad thing. Lots of comprehensive work went into this, and it will be very valuable for new reloaders or people choosing their first new press. Very imPRESSive ;)
One of the most informative videos on handloading that I've come across. Quick question, is there any difference in performance and precision between the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme and the newer Rebel? Aside from the obvious structural differences. I'd really like to see the same tests in this vid done on the RCBS Rebel.
Brother, you’re the reason I bought a Hornady Iron Press! It is an impressive machine. And, of course, I invested in all of the Inline Fabrication products that go with the Iron Press. Life is short, so why not?
And no overview of the quality of the ammo produced! Why not include that data when you took so much trouble to compile it and ultimately it's the most valuable data of all????????
Gavin - You did a great job on what was surely a monumental task. I'm curious if you think that the presses that had floating dies or shellholders would have a problem with breaking decapping pins?
Like always you go extremely deeply in your reviews and again precisely mesure and analyse, I did not know witch press I was going to get, I will get the RCBS Summit Thanks for the good video and all the work put into it as a professional
Gavin thank you for this video!!! You really outdid yourself. This is great information and it's current and relevant. I like that you explained features in addition to performance. Thank you
So, after all that, the Rockchucker, which has been a best-selling press for several decades I think, is maybe not the best, but very close to it, and is also very affordable. Score one for "common knowledge."
@@TheDkb427 @Truthisstrangerthan Fiction You folks should just mount your presses on a coil spring from a car... Seeing how you're reloading experts and know a lot about how to achieve precision. Maybe don't even mount it at all... Use it free hand like a rock guitar.
@@xephael3485 ain't no expert here. I did split the wood and it caused a little too much flex and had to screw it back together. I get what you're saying tho. But only in a perfect world we can have a set up like Gavin dude haha
@@TheDkb427 yes use the best setup you can. You can make or buy some really solid benches to mount equipment to...but some people are constrained by space, or money.
Incredible! Your attention to detail is amazing. You engineering background is very evident. If ever there was a case of too many choices this is it. It’s almost as bad as choosing a rifle scope. You obviously enjoy what you do. I’m happy to be the recipient of your extremely comprehensive effort and hard work. Thank you.
The Rock Chucker Supreme primer catcher actually only funnels to one side even tho it looks like it should, you take that back plate off and see for your self
Excellent detail which I really appreciate. Would love to see your top 3 favorites from this. Great data, but it’s hard as a newbie to know from all this info which way to go.
Re: your comment at 30:18. I've noticed when using the Rockchucker compared to a few other similar presses that where the linkage connects to the bottom of the ram there is a lot of sideways float. This means that any sideways force on the press handle during the stroke is not transferred to the ram. I can wobble the handle on my Rockchucker and the ram doesn't move. I had a Redding press previously and i could see the ram move with sideways pressure on the handle.
Great video! It helped me decide to purchase a Lyman Ideal for reloading .38/.357. I Was a little disappointed that the Lee Breech Lock Reloader Single Stage wasn't included since it is by far the most economical press available, and it would have been interesting to see how it stacks up against the other simple basic presses.
After 25 plus years of loading for competition and cartridge design, I have to say I like the RCBS Summit. I have 2 of them, one with long handle and the other with the short handle option. In total, I have 7 presses including Redding, Dillion, RCBS and Harrells.
It has been almost 2 years since this was posted and I still can't believe 173 people "disliked" it! This was an extreme amount of work! I find that I refer back to this (and other people to it) a lot! Thanks for all you do for the reloading community.
@@TheSuburban15 His tests were fair and well done. He gave a well-balanced report / review. He posted the written results in a link. It is up to the viewers to pick and buy, not the Y.T. tester / video maker. This was not some 3 am Info-mercial with a paid audience clapping for the newest make-up or frying pan. IF he had made a "real conclusion" as you said, then there would be at least 10 people whining and complaining and crying because he did not tell everyone to buy a Dillon machine.
You had me at RCBS Summit! LOL!! Great video and only feedback is it would have been nice to have your top 5 presses results at the end as this is a long video. Very very informative though!
@@jonzie1228 mine is the org one, first model I think, and I have loaded hundreds of rounds on it every year for over 40 years and it is still chucking along.
I was just using my ol chucker the other night wondering if anything was improved on the newer ones or are the old ones made better like most things these days
Have a friend who has several reloading systems and presses that he has acquired over the better part of 50 years in reloading. Some he has taken with him when he was overseas and ammo was hard to find in some duty stations. Not sure what his favorite is as he has a Bunker that consist of four conex containers together around a central shaft so he can access them from a central point. one container is larger than the others and the ceiling in it is 10 foot? He says it allows him more freedom for some projects. He reloads everything from Pistol, Rifle to Shotgun and even some cannon round for his Toys.
Yes sir! I've been enamored with the Redding T7, then Lyman introduced the Brass Smith 8. What does one more hole mean? It means I can universal deprime on my single stage and clean my brass as usual; then have 2 calibers with FLR, expand and charge, seat and crimp on one turret. So many choices!
Awesome info Gavin. You are definitely loaded with great ideas and info. My respect to you brother. Would you do a review on the Redding Ultra Mag? I am thinking it might be one of the most precise presses available, but you have actually had hands on with so many presses that I would really like your review.
You deserve some type of award for putting the most preparation time into a single video. Appreciate all the detail you've gathered and put out there for us. For 40 years I've had just one single stage press on my bench that has never left me wanting more. Your research suggests there is good reason for my being content! Thanks Gavin.
bought my Rockchucker in 1975 has been on many benches since the 1st day, it loads 55 different calibers and has never once let me think about any other press, i think I still have the bill of sale
Wow! I hope people can appreciate just how much work, time and thought was put into this video! The custom tools to measure and compare, the ways you decided to have direct comparisons and tests is a true testament to how dedicated Gavin is. Great video brother this was awesome, now comes the difficult part of choosing one....
I bought my Lee 50 cal press 2 weeks to early dang it!!! The only reason I got it was for the bigger thread pattern for the neck only 338 die now I know many others have that pattern too if you remove the bushing....
Chris
@@chris3383 Iv got a old Hurder its in good shape its very heavy.
Tonight...I bought the Redding Big Boss 2 Pro Reloading Kit for < $400. I thought, at these turbulent Times... Why not, get into reloading. NOW, if I can only find bullets,primers,& POWDER...Really appreciated the MOST through evaluation of the majority if not all single stage presses for at least this novice to hand loading. THANK YOU..
it's his job. it's just a show and he probably has a crew helping him.
All I have to say is I've owned a Rock Chucker since the early very 80's. It has supplied ammo thru 30 years of National Match shooting, IPSC & PPS, hunting & plinking loads and is now turning out rounds for my PRS endeavor's including suppling all my friends and relatives with ammo in our current shortage. I can't come close to estimating how many rounds have passed thru that press but let's average it at 2000 rounds a year and subtract 10,000 in case anyone thinks I'm full of it. When I started shooting PRS I considered replacing it so being an engineer I broke out my measuring tools. I primarily concentrated on bore alignment, squareness and ram runout because there is plenty of float in the shell holder. Long story short at full ram extension there was only .0006 (6 ten thousandth's) runout in the ram. Squareness and alignment was spot on, less than .001" which was easily compensated for by the shell holder and I pulled out some loaded ammo and checked the runout in the ogive of the bullet. Most fell within .002" which I found to be variations in neck thickness of the brass and at least half of that was just over .001". I keep her clean and well lubed and needless to say I believe she will continue to crank out ammo for me for the rest of my years. Quality and performance like that speaks for itself.
I found one owned by old war vet that was sitting on the ground rusted solid… the old lady said 10$ ??? I took the offer and it’s my primary reloading press , after cleaning and reassembly …. Redding loader is sitting idle …. Might be in my mind but the Rcbs old dog has mojo and I don’t want to mess with that….. found was a yard sale and saw it laying on the ground of garage
After I ditched my Rockchucker for a Forster Co-ax about 20 years ago, reloading went from something I had to do, to something I wanted to do. Nothing wrong with the Rockchucker, but it's a basic tool that isn't particularly user friendly. Don't get me wrong, I loaded a ton of ammo on that old green machine, but I sure was much happier once I upgraded. I passed the old press onto a newbie that was just getting started who has put it to good use, and you couldn't pay me to go back.
What primers do u prefer to use for .308 win? Any specifics. With the primeaggedon going on I'm trying to be sure I get the right s$%#
@HockeyDad6631 I'm tempted to get one. I got it rounded down to either the rockchucker or the co ax
@@lagoonrd4173You ditched better press for some broken (rusting on something as precise as press basically means its broken) randomly found junk? You are crazy.
Wow! Gavin has been creating great reloading TH-cam videos for a decade! Yet, his presentation and content always seems fresh and informative! No One! And I mean No One, is working this hard to keep us up to date like this guy! Thanks for all your effort, bud! This beer 🍺 is for you!
Bacnow Thanks!!!!!
There needs to be another Academy Award category for Best Reloading Product Showcase/Shootout (wouldn't the libs go nuts for that one?!). Gavin, thank you for all of the money spent and incredible effort and thought that went into this masterpiece! I watched it twice 😁. I am favoring the RCBS Supreme, but it is clear through this video that there are a few machines that are extremely good alternatives; each for their own reasons. I know that I weigh in pretty late, but I just wanted to say 'good job'!
The absolute best video I've ever viewed on reloading engineering specs.
So where was the conclusion?? You didn't sum up.
It is three years later. After watching your review of 14 reloading presses, I purchased the RCBS Summit reloading press. I went one step further by buying Hornady's Lock-N-Load Die Bushing 3-pack kit making die change over KISS! The RCBS Summit press is GREAT!
I'm just getting into reloading and wow so much to take in I really appreciate what you do brother!!!
What an absolutely insane amount of work, expense and time. Great job!
I am a competitive bench rest shooter and plinking shooter and anything that goes bang shooter. Hell I shoot rubber bands too. I love reloading. I have made ammo since 15 years old and I am 65. The plethora of tools is a blessing for us, but it is confusing even for me! I have several of the old Star reloaders as my primary tools. This needed to be done so badly. Thanks for a great job!
Great analysis! So many people don’t understand reloading at all. They surly are mesmerized by all the equipment. Your recommendations tell people that good ammo can be made with all the presses. And match grade can be made with most of them.
I think this will be the definitive reloading tooling video!
Thank You! I picked up an RCBS Summit because of the information you gave in the video and the Full Story. Works perfect and is much better then my other press.
Impressive, and no doubt when someone ask me again "which press should I buy for precision reloading?" I'll send them right here. Thanks for the massive work involved.
THANKS!
VERY STRANGE !!! No aluminum on my Turban press, it's all CNC steel(but not the bushing, I think they are bronze).
Try with a magnet you will see, I am sure your Turban press is also made of steel(frame, guidance, ....)
I always wondered about the RCBS Summit, looked like a great concept and the results show it is a strong contender.
Thanks Gavin for this video and your comprehensive report will stand the test of time. But it didnt help my wallet so thanks!?!?!
As always, a very informative video. Thanks for telling us the country of origin. I will not buy anything made in China.
Well..... I always knew that my rock chucker was not holding me back. Trying to tell that to others was a hard task sometimes. A lot of people simply think because the Co Ax cost more it was superior. The rock chucker scored the best in a couple and really as good as any and better than most across the board.
I really thought the MEC would score better in runout.
Also next sometime someone says I’m not a “serious reloaded” until I get a Co-ax I’m going to hit them with this article 😝.
ultimatereloader.com/2019/04/08/fourteen-reloading-presses-compared-single-stage-shootout/15/
I think a comparison on dies would be very interesting. I’m willing to bet that results would be very similar and that more money does not always mean better results. Thanks for the comparison.
Yeah, I was surprised that the Rock Chucker Supreme almost matched the Präzipress in precision!
I use a rock chucker that was my dad's from over 30 years ago and it kicks ass. Back when it was made in the US.
I was apprehensive before watching the video because I didn't want to buy a new press... fortunately can keep my rock chucker!
Thank you for the AMAZINGLY detailed video. I was taught Benchrest shooting/reloading by a gentleman with knowledge like yourself. We try to reload to the level of psychosis. This video is so detailed that anyone can understand the tolerances of these presses ... The time you took for this video is greatly appreciated.
Your finest work to date. Thank you for all your time and effort.
Excellent review, a lot of thought and hard work went into this video, I’m sure every reloader that rolls their own ammo greatly appreciates your effort in bringing us this review. Hopefully one day you might look at reviewing Turret presses . Cheers 🥂 🍻
This makes me feel even better about my rock chucker. I believe my next press will be another one...
I'm a long time fan.
I really want to start reloading 223 & 300 blackout. I'm overwhelmed with all the info on the internet. Do you have a getting started buyers guide line up that would help newbies get started with single presses that would lead to turret presses as we progress with our skills and confidence Any help for "dummies" is appreciated. Thank You, Sir.
Extraordinary, preparation was well beyond expectations and extremely well thought out......spell binding and suspenseful waiting to see the data results. This is a new standard of excellence in making comparisons between reloading presses. Thank you very much.
Wow, thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it!
I ordered 120 Heavy Prazzi Press almost 2 mts. ago. Still waiting on Thomas to contact me since they have to file paperwork with German Gov.for export approval. And I have Inline Fabrication base ...just waiting now.
Worth the wait! Hopefully it will come soon for you!
Definitely the best video I've found over single stage presses, really appreciate the time you put into this!
Thanks Kenneth!
Gavin I love this. I would love to see next a Scale VS Electric Scale powder/load comparison. Like something that puts the charges thrown and weighed against one another compares Muzzle velocity, SD, & ES. I say this b/c I have went from using the RCBS Charge master back to throwing and my old RCBS 5-10 scale with the roller wheel for the tenths. With the Charge Master my 6.5 Creedmoor loads running Berger bullets and H4350 I was getting SD of 2.5-5.0 which is really good for what I do. Now having not ran the loads weighed out by my scale over my Magneto Speed V3 and loading the very same specs I'm wondering if I'll get the same results. Would be cool to watch. Thanks
A lot of hard work put into this one, thanks for all the great information!
I think I have seen this video like 10 times now 😅👍
147k subscribers only, with all the hard work you do, you should be over a million long time ago.
I have a fairly broad collection of mechanical reloading scales and mechanical powder measures I would love to do testing like this between them all. Or have you do it.
Very good work!
Good idea Glen!
Considering My shooting ability, buying that last press would be like hiring NASA to fix a Crop Duster.
John Parrish hahahaha- that’s funny :)
LMAO!
@Mike Good Lord Man, I was trying to be humorous, it must have gone right over your head.
If I need that level of precision I will just use a set of Arbor Press dies.
@C-Bomb ...as a master toolmaker I usually put my high dollar precision Starrett, Brown & Sharp or Swiss indicators that read in fifty millionth of an inch on my RCBS or Lee loaders and make just as precision rounds as his. Plus I get to use those indicators at work making top pay which is money better spent and saved for magazines or ammo products.
I made popcorn for this!
Awesome
Single Stage Porn? Raise the RAM to the top of the Stroke? Sorry, I just couldn't stop.
I like the Tip TIR tables especially. They show that the best TIRs are not turned in by the highest price presses. The RCBS ones turn in the most consistent TIRs. Careful comparison of all 14 tables will indicate that TIR is controlled by the uniformity of the brass cases more than any of the presses or dies.
From Portugal. Thank you for your videos. They are all amazing and we can learn a lot. However, I would like to see a specific video charging the caliber 6 mm Norma BR and .308 WIN, from the beginning to the end, made with the best Dies for BR.
Redding Big Boss, RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme or RCBS Summit. For targets 1000 meters and beyond, which of those three do I want? BTW, fabulous presentation, as always! Your channel is tops!
Agree ... This is a monumental contribution to the reloading community. Many
thank you's to all your hard work, and analytical approach to your analysis.
Thanks Paul- it was SOOOOO much work, I'm so happy that people are getting a lot out of it :)
@@Ultimatereloader Take a rest you deserve it :-)
Gavin
Have you done a turret press comparison ? Your videos are most informative ! I have a single stage and a progressive and am considering a turret for obvious reasons. The T7 Redding with Creedmoor sports die head ?
I know whats the next shoot out.... Brass prep machines!
Can you do the same with turret presses? That would be awsome! Greate video btw👍
Yes, I would definitely like to...
That's an insane and insanely helpful amount of work, awesome. Thank you for it.
Modern presses arent the concern.. there are die manufacturers that make some dies that arent very good or just substandard.. When i first started reloading in 77.. there were dies that you had to check and set properly or they would cause what was called at the time shoulder set back.. That is they would reshape a bottle neck case angle further back DOWN than the factory and put the brass case out of factory and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute SAAMI specs .. What does that cause? instant case separation.. which means you lose your chamber seal.. At an average of 57,000 psi you dont want that.. The most critical thing a reloader can do is check a resized and clean case through a case length headspace gauge.. and know how to use it .. if the gauge says go.. then prime it and powder fill it and seat the bullet.. if not discard the case for recycling .. its to dangerous to use.. heres what they look like i hope gavin doesnt mind the link th-cam.com/video/YDg2ifAsy5A/w-d-xo.html
Great job and a lot of work putting this together. I have had my old Bonanza since 1972, it has been consistent for near 50 years. Probably reloaded 9-10,000 rounds. Still right on the money. RCBS dies, bench rest and hunting calibres, it does them all. Again, great video.
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Hello Gavin, I am undecided whether to purchase the RCBS rock chuker supreme vs the Redding 7 Turret press. Have an opinion?
Impressive research as always. I did not expect Rock Chucker to be ranked #2.
Me too ! But I guess that German engineered $900.00 dollar press had better do something !!!
Joe D right?!
@@joed2392: Yeah...I watched this whole thing just to see where the RC Supreme came in. I figured it would place in the top three. I've had mine for about ten years and couldn't be happier!
Thank you. Very informative and useful, unlike most TH-cam stuff.
I think non-floating is better than floating because floating parts can misalign if the parts are not machined extremely precisely. The Forster co-ax depends on the die locking ring being machined so the ring flats are exactly 90 degrees to the center-line.
I don't like to de-prime in the press due to all the junk that come out. I use a small arbor press with a dedicated de-priming pin.. And I use a hand primer tool because it gives much better feel than in-press priming.
Do you have any data or experience that would indicate the lock-n-load bushing produces precision equal to 7/8 x 14 bushings?
I can't even imagine how awkward this would be if they were all mounted on a low bench!
I loved the video and all the work you put into it, but I was disappointed that the Redding ULTRAMAG was not part of the lineup. I think it would have bested the German press.
Got the rcbs rock chucker supreme after watching this vid thanks good job 👍
Good deal, great press!
What is the name.of the bench you are using
Wow the work that went into this test is incredible. The best reload channel on the web easily.
Thanks Gavin
From South Africa, I can verify the Rock Chucker catches spent primers to the right as well...
Haha! Good to know :)
Very well done covering a wide range of presses. Can’t wait to dig into the report. Thanks for doing this Gavin
Are you going to add data on the RCBS Rebel and Area 419 ZERO Press to this video. I would like to see for there claims stake up.
I would see a press, hear you talk about it and then think,”yeah, that’s the one I want!” Until the next press! LOL
Great time to be a reloader , great presses at every price level. Hard to go wrong with any, but think I’m going with the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme.
Thanks for your hard work!
You are welcome Jerry, glad you liked it!
Jerry, I have a used RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme for sale. Interested?
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@@robertvarner7392 Did you sell it?
ライマンのターレットとRCBSのサミットを使っています☀️💡👍🎶
Hi Gavin...fantastic analysis!
I can see where you are questioning the value of "float" based upon your analysis, I am looking forward to what you will come up with here. But an even bigger question I now have based upon your data is the accuracy hit with the LnL system. The data you have shows the Hornady presses at the bottom of the list. Do you think this is due to the LnL system or to the flex in the Hornady presses or something else?
I would be very interested in your viewpoint here!
Thanks again!
Extraordinary video with very useful and helpful information. Thank you. I have accepted your challenge and I am diligently working on a computer model to determine and predict whether spent primers will fall to the left or right on the Rock Chucker primer catch system as a function of whether it is in the northern or southern hemisphere. At the moment I am at a standstill because I discovered that my Rock Chucker sends spent primers to both the left and right side catch trays. One conclusion is that some Rock Chucker's may be transprimers and I have been unable to incorporate that into my computer model.....any help would be appreciated.
Wow, totally nerded out but that's not a bad thing. Lots of comprehensive work went into this, and it will be very valuable for new reloaders or people choosing their first new press. Very imPRESSive ;)
Redding for 25+ years
Deutsche Qualität, was sonst?
State of the art. German quality. 😎
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@@Ultimatereloader 😀😉😆
One of the most informative videos on handloading that I've come across. Quick question, is there any difference in performance and precision between the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme and the newer Rebel? Aside from the obvious structural differences. I'd really like to see the same tests in this vid done on the RCBS Rebel.
Brother, you’re the reason I bought a Hornady Iron Press! It is an impressive machine. And, of course, I invested in all of the Inline Fabrication products that go with the Iron Press. Life is short, so why not?
GOOD DEAL!!!!! Glad to hear it's all working out for you :)
So much you do for us re-loaders! Thanks so much!
You are welcome, glad you are finding these resources useful :)
You’re killing me!!! I’ve been waiting on this video forever and you don’t give a top three or top five rating 😭
Also didn't include Dillon...
toadamine Dillon makes a single stage?
@@21anthem12 yes, and they do all the steps in one pull... Just like the automatic ones...
And no overview of the quality of the ammo produced! Why not include that data when you took so much trouble to compile it and ultimately it's the most valuable data of all????????
@@toadamine Dillon doesnt make a single stage press. This test was specifically for single stage.
And the winner is..........?
Best video, answered all my question about single stage press. Ever thought about doing a video turret press
The Redding would blow ay of these presses out the water
Gavin - You did a great job on what was surely a monumental task. I'm curious if you think that the presses that had floating dies or shellholders would have a problem with breaking decapping pins?
With a sizing die, no, because the shell will self-center in the die, or vise versa. With a universal decapping die, yeah, maybe.
Like always you go extremely deeply in your reviews and again precisely mesure and analyse, I did not know witch press I was going to get, I will get the RCBS Summit
Thanks for the good video and all the work put into it as a professional
Gavin thank you for this video!!! You really outdid yourself. This is great information and it's current and relevant. I like that you explained features in addition to performance. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
So, after all that, the Rockchucker, which has been a best-selling press for several decades I think, is maybe not the best, but very close to it, and is also very affordable. Score one for "common knowledge."
04:00 Your mounting stand is flexing, that's not a good characteristic.
The little night stand my 1000 press is mounted on flexes. Long as you know what the fuck you're doing you're gtg
@@TheDkb427 @Truthisstrangerthan Fiction You folks should just mount your presses on a coil spring from a car... Seeing how you're reloading experts and know a lot about how to achieve precision. Maybe don't even mount it at all... Use it free hand like a rock guitar.
@@xephael3485 ain't no expert here. I did split the wood and it caused a little too much flex and had to screw it back together. I get what you're saying tho. But only in a perfect world we can have a set up like Gavin dude haha
@@TheDkb427 yes use the best setup you can. You can make or buy some really solid benches to mount equipment to...but some people are constrained by space, or money.
I would like to see a progressive press shot out.
Great info👍👍👍
Thank you
Have you tested by Redding UltraMag? I'd love to know your thoughts and watch you run it through your tests.
I was looking to see the Redding Ultramag too. Got one & a Redding T-7 turret press about 20 years ago.
The Inline Fab stuff is brilliant. Just got my Ultamount last week.
Incredible! Your attention to detail is amazing. You engineering background is very evident. If ever there was a case of too many choices this is it. It’s almost as bad as choosing a rifle scope. You obviously enjoy what you do. I’m happy to be the recipient of your extremely comprehensive effort and hard work. Thank you.
Thanks so much Bruce!!!
The Rock Chucker Supreme primer catcher actually only funnels to one side even tho it looks like it should, you take that back plate off and see for your self
Now that's interesting!!! I'll take a look...
Excellent detail which I really appreciate. Would love to see your top 3 favorites from this. Great data, but it’s hard as a newbie to know from all this info which way to go.
Re: your comment at 30:18. I've noticed when using the Rockchucker compared to a few other similar presses that where the linkage connects to the bottom of the ram there is a lot of sideways float.
This means that any sideways force on the press handle during the stroke is not transferred to the ram. I can wobble the handle on my Rockchucker and the ram doesn't move. I had a Redding press previously and i could see the ram move with sideways pressure on the handle.
You’re doing awesome work sir. Keep it coming!
Great video! It helped me decide to purchase a Lyman Ideal for reloading .38/.357. I Was a little disappointed that the Lee Breech Lock Reloader Single Stage wasn't included since it is by far the most economical press available, and it would have been interesting to see how it stacks up against the other simple basic presses.
Man, one hell of a video. I can only imagine how much work it took to put this together. Well done!
I would like to see a test with the Redding Ultramag press.
Thank you for all the hard work you put into this. I am brand new to reloading and this has helped me narrow it down.
Excellent video and comparison, exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you!
After 25 plus years of loading for competition and cartridge design, I have to say I like the RCBS Summit.
I have 2 of them, one with long handle and the other with the short handle option.
In total, I have 7 presses including Redding, Dillion, RCBS and Harrells.
Very nice video. I wish you included also the Redding Ultramag, but it's very nice.
Still waiting on a review of the Redding Ultramag.I have 2 because my research at the time proved to me they were the best for my needs.
It has been almost 2 years since this was posted and I still can't believe 173 people "disliked" it! This was an extreme amount of work! I find that I refer back to this (and other people to it) a lot! Thanks for all you do for the reloading community.
I think maybe because it's an overview without a real conclusion.
@@TheSuburban15 His tests were fair and well done. He gave a well-balanced report / review. He posted the written results in a link. It is up to the viewers to pick and buy, not the Y.T. tester / video maker. This was not some 3 am Info-mercial with a paid audience clapping for the newest make-up or frying pan.
IF he had made a "real conclusion" as you said, then there would be at least 10 people whining and complaining and crying because he did not tell everyone to buy a Dillon machine.
would have been awesome to also see turret presses in this comparison - like the T7...
Did you ever follow up on floating vs locked designs?
You had me at RCBS Summit! LOL!! Great video and only feedback is it would have been nice to have your top 5 presses results at the end as this is a long video. Very very informative though!
wow great job! Now I wonder how my original Rock Chucker from the 1970's stacks up to the new one. and that last press is crazy cool!
I have a Rockchucker II I bought somewhere around 1982, 1983 and it's still tight and as smooth as it can be. It has loaded thousands of rounds.
@@jonzie1228 mine is the org one, first model I think, and I have loaded hundreds of rounds on it every year for over 40 years and it is still chucking along.
I was just using my ol chucker the other night wondering if anything was improved on the newer ones or are the old ones made better like most things these days
Have a friend who has several reloading systems and presses that he has acquired over the better part of 50 years in reloading. Some he has taken with
him when he was overseas and ammo was hard to find in some duty stations. Not sure what his favorite is as he has a Bunker that consist of
four conex containers together around a central shaft so he can access them from a central point. one container is larger than the others and the
ceiling in it is 10 foot? He says it allows him more freedom for some projects. He reloads everything from Pistol, Rifle to Shotgun and even
some cannon round for his Toys.
IMPORTANT to me ; where each press is made - U.S.A. only for my money .
So glad the rock chucker is still highly rated. I have a old gen Chucker for my precision rifles. Glad I wasn’t mislead when I was told to buy green.
This study will be a benchmark in reloading data for years to come.
Thanks! That's a huge compliment :)
This is crazy informative! Do you have a similar vid on turret designs?
Turret press comparison next? 🤞
I'd like to do that!
Yes sir!
I've been enamored with the Redding T7, then Lyman introduced the Brass Smith 8.
What does one more hole mean? It means I can universal deprime on my single stage and clean my brass as usual; then have 2 calibers with FLR, expand and charge, seat and crimp on one turret.
So many choices!
Awesome info Gavin. You are definitely loaded with great ideas and info. My respect to you brother.
Would you do a review on the Redding Ultra Mag?
I am thinking it might be one of the most precise presses available, but you have actually had hands on with so many presses that I would really like your review.