I can’t say I’m not disappointed in this “comparison”. The thing I waited two years for was mostly to see which progressive press loaded the best ammo. Concentricity, accuracy tests etc. maybe which one has the best powder measure or what ones the fastest, smoothest, most ergonomic. These are things people can not learn themselves without taking random guys word on forums. You would need to buy and then try. What we got is a brief overview of specs, accessories, and price, which can be come by through basic research. I don’t even know how this would take two years. Almost like it’s targeted to those brand new to reloading and don’t even know what a progressive press advantages are. Most of us know what can be done with more stations and that you can add case and bullet feeders. The things we are unable to learn ourselves are the exact things you did not cover.
I love the fact that you shared some negitive things. It always feels disingenuous when you watch a review/comparison and it comes off like an infomercial. You did an excellent job here of being honest, yet not "burying" any company's. Kudos and Great work!
Can’t imagine how long this video took to edit and put together. Thanks for all your hard work, Gavin. Always contributing. Although I would like to see an ammo consistency comparison between the presses, I imagine it would be motion picture in length. Thanks again for the information.
I use a loadmaster, but deprime on a C-press, and prime on a bench prime. Only clean primed cases are ever on the press so it stays clean. Resize on 1, powder on 2, powder-cop on 3, seat on 4, crimp on 5. This arrangement solved all my problems with the loadmaster.
My introduction to all this Gee-Whiz gear was way back in the late 1970s and spending some time with a Dillon 1000, set up to reload .308 Win. WAY out of my personal financial league, but it clearly showed the way for the well-heeled enthusiast. However, I run a Lee 1000 for 9mmP. VERY early on I learned about the problems of primer feed / seating and powder "spillage" ( if you try to go too fast , a few flakes will sometimes "shake" out of the case as it approaches the seating station. These magically seems to find its way into the "guts" of the mechanism and start to gum things up The issue of "primer crud" getting into teh press was solved by Carbide sizing ALL the cases on my Rockchucker. Cases are then sorted into crimped "range pickups" and "un-crimped" commrcial style. The crimped ones get a once-only treatment from my fabulous Dillon 600 primer pocket "adjuster". If you "recycle" a lot of ex-mil brass, this is the ONLY pocket swager to buy, I had endless dramas with both the CH and RCBS press-mounted systems . The Dillon is better than Smirnoff!. Prepped brass gets a whirl in the trusty Lyman Cyclone to remove ALL the remaining detritus. Thus, ONLY fully-prepped and clean and shiny cases go through the 1000. I do all this case prep in bulk; several thousand at a time. The finished and FULLY DRIED cases then go into AIRTIGHT storage jars with a date label. So, no rummaging around for suitable brass come match season; it will be there , sparkling, on the storage shelf. It also means that you will have weeded out the dubious cases somewhere along that preparation chain. See also: culling out the "small-primered" 45ACP "NT" cases from the "normal" ones". In these parts, weeding out Berdan-primed brass is also a must. Not that it is "un-reloadable", just you cannot do it on a progressive press set up for Boxer primers. Waste not, want not, especially if you live in places where ammo and components cost at least 3 times the US MSRP. One additional thing about the 1000: the indexing "drive-shaft" arrangement is marginal, at best. The dinky nylon "follower" is not immortal and, as it wears, the press "timing" goes astray.. I lube the entire machine with Moly powder, NEVER any oil or grease. This slicks things up substantially, BUT, as soon as you notice a bit of "sluggishness" or misalignment, it is time for a full service. Spares are cheap; keep a stash of any of the small plastic bits handy. Moving the "heavy" sizing and priming operations off-press substantially reduces the wear and tear on the press even if, like me, you run with the Lee case and bullet feeder extras. Finally, the "Auto-Disk powder systems work better with all the moving parts receiving a rub-over of graphite powder. Also LOTS of videos about "hot-rodding the 1000 hereabouts.
@@pcburner068 A; I don’t make TH-cam videos for a living, he does. Usually quite good ones, hence why I expected this relevant information to be included B; Ammunition evaluation was included in his single stage press shootout. It’s very reasonable to want to see that information here as well. After all it is THE end result that actually matters. Most of this video is just listing features that could be found on the manufacturers website. That’s not a shootout.
When discussing Dillon loaders I was waiting for you to mention one of the most important specs. The lifetime warranty. I have two 550s over 15 years old and have loaded so much ammo on them that one has been rebuilt once and the other twice. Free. Something breaks or wears out, they have replaced it or provided parts to rebuild it. Plus, I understood you to talk about "manual index" as a negative. You can index as slowly as you want or as fast when it is manual. If you are loading an almost full pistol case you can index slow enough that you aren't jumping powder out. A positive to me.
I am definitely interested in the X10 from Franklin Armory. Really great demonstration and the pros and cons as presented are fantastic. In-depth and succinct. The fact that you have used some of the reloaders gives you insight and knowledge that you pass on freely. You are a big help to me!
Thank you very much , I been loading since I was 9 , to this day , I can listen to you talk all day like a teacher. Very easy to understand ❤️❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@gavin Lee has a new Progressive Press coming out with a six die positions and primes on the downstroke, so all six are available. It's called the Pro 6000.
This just makes me wish I could use my dillon rl 550, I haven't been able to find primers in almost 2 years, and the ones I had as a backup are all but gone. 😢
I don't understand why many people are bashing Gavin for the video. Progressive Reloading have a ton variables, and he ain't a scientific lab doing scientific research. An apples to apples comparison is maybe impossible. Break down of the quirks and total cost of ownership is great. (For example, the Lee Load Master is somewhat of a 4.5 station press.) In my opinion, great video Gavin.
People were expecting much more based on the old single stage comparison video. Remember he said this has been in planning from 2008 and was posted 2 years after the single stage video so the hype and expectations were not in line with him just reading the product specs and telling rough prices. Now that doesn't make this a bad video. Great video for new people getting into progressive presses. One stop shop specs breakdown. We ordered cheesecake but only got the cake. Cake is still good just not what we wanted lol.
Awesome video. I'm looking to upgrade from my first Lee turret to a fully progessive and this has video gives me the information i was looking for. Thanks again.
I have 7 Dillon square deals 2 550's one in 30-06 and the other in 300 win mag 2 SL900 12 & 20 gauge 2 mec shotgun reloaders 16 & 28 gauges and Forster coax ///// I reload for 58 different calibers and 4 shotgun gauges . I started to reload in 1980 @ the age of 20 I was ery poor at the time and my first 30-06 ammo came from WWII blank ammo , I pulled the flash powder and de-primed the cases and chamfered out the primer pocket and then reloaded oer 1000 free Blank cases and got on an average 12 to 15 reload's for my M Garand. Alan Thomas
In all fairness everyone has their own opinion. Gavin does give a good review as a whole. None of these machines would be on the market today if there were not people buying them enough for them to stay in business building them. They all work. I personally have a Dillon but that is just my choice at the time. They will be in business if I need parts and their warranty is as good as it gets. Not saying any of the others are any better or worse. Most all of them have plusses and minuses. I don't believe there is a perfect progressive press.
Hey Gavin, I want to thank you for putting in the hours to get this done. I've been watching a lot of your content over the last couple of weeks as I prepare to start my reloading journey. After doing quite a bit of my own research, and waiting for my head to stop spinning, I had my mind all but set on the Lee Pro 4000 but really was looking for a cumulative comparison of what's out there. This video hit it out of the park for me. Everything about it, the costs associated, pros and cons, comparing everything available from each manufacturer, optional accessories, jist really top notch presentation all the way. Much appreciated!
No exaggeration when I say I've been waiting YEARS for this. I couldn't wait anymore so I broke down and picked up a Lee load master a few months back. Lets see if that choice is backed up by Gavin.
The load master with just a few ETSY upgrades and smart tuning mods becomes the best one BY FAR for a beginner who doesnt want to spend 2 minutes per bullet for the same price as a single stage with all the stuff you need to not hate preloading. i can switch calibers in under 10 minutes easily and do 1100 rds per hour even while paying attention with my 6 tube case feeder and ETSY mods. im in it for $504 for 3 calibers of dies/plates/powder feeders, plus, 4 etsy mods and 6 tubes for the ETSY case feeder. For another $180 in dies and tubes, i could do 5-6 more calibers too with the same shell plates and powder feeders
Santa Clause brought my Loadmaster in 2018 when I was doing a lot of USPSA shooting. "Fidgeting" is a profession when you own a LM... and I eventually gave up on the priming system altogether choosing to manual prime off press and use the stations as: #1 with case feeder for sizing (decap removed) #2 for Rotary powder/flare, #3 for a powder check, #4 seat and #5 crimp. If I ever need high volume pistol again, I'd probably jump over to the other "RED" alternative.
I like the analogy about the race horses going back and forth.... But as the old saying goes: “buy once cry once”.... I believe “The Blue” wins on an overall if you also factor in “time” And yes, most people as commented would like to see an overall product comparison “accuracy test”, etc. But I. relieve you have tested all or almost all of these separately, and those results can be found in your other vids. Thx for taking the crazy amount of time I’m sure it was to splice this all together
My loadmaster in 2016 shipped was 203 in 9mm config, bought 7.62, 223 and 350 legend dies case holder and 2 auto drums for another 200. Still running strong tens of thousands rounds loaded
@Gavin, thank you so much for doing this video. I can't even imagine the time and work it took to put this together (not to mention costs). This video has really helped with narrowing down which is the right progressive press for me!
In May of 2023 I graduated from my Lee Classic Turret (which I still love) to the Lee Six Pack Pro 6000. It is an amazing press at half the price of a Hornady LNL.
I am so grateful for this video. I'm just getting into reloading, and this video helped me narrow down my choices. I'm between the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP and the Dillon XL-750. I don't want to start at the bottom and work my way up. I am probably buying my last Press first. The choice isn't made, but it's much narrower now. Thank You, very much.
Which one did you go with? Funny enough those are the two im looking at the begin my reloading journey as well. I dont like starting off too basic either. My 3rd option considered would probably be the lee pro 6000.
Great video! Big Blue all the way for me... I've had my 650 since '98, and keeping an eye on what they've been going for on ebay, I can actually get more for it now than I paid for it 24 years ago.
Awesome frikin job with your channel n knowledge of all you content...I learned my progressive from your videos.🔥🔥..hands down brotha...thanx..take care🤙🤙
I love you videos. Very educational. Bought my xl750 2 yrs ago. After watching tons of videos and reading. Had your video on repeat setting up my xl750😂. Thank you
I have a Dillon SDB and love it. Super consistent. My only complaint is that it's a PITA to adjust case flare. Other than that, it does what it advertises.
Thank You for the review Gavin. I just bought a Lee 90900 Breech Lock Auto Pro for a decent price from Midway USA, and I already have all the dies for the pistol and rifle calibers I shoot. So, my investment will be(along with the 90900) the shell plate holders and the Safety Primer Feed system because the one that came with my Challenger Breech Lock kit doesn't work with the 90900. I also purchased the Lee Universal Case Feed, the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and Bullet Feed kit. This progressive press will definitely be used for high-volume as opposed to my Challenger single stage press. In my opinion, any press that will spit out a round with every pull of the arm is high volume. I'm sorry Gavin, I just can't agree with your assessment of the Lee Breech Lock 90900. I've heard to many good things about it. Thank You for your hard work and dedication.
I just got the six pack a month ago, constant jamming, double case feeding, primers not feeding, inconsistent OAL +/- 1mm, and powder variance of almost +/- .7 grains. I returned it and bought the xl750, no issues so far. The six pack has had a lot of praise, but I do not recommend it.
@@skopperkopp6091 whatever you did, you did it wrong. I'm at over 15k round 9mm and 45ACP on my sixpack using hornady dies and I'm cranking out around 500-700rds/hr using an auto bullet feeder. OAL is super consistent, such is precision and speed. Again: Whatever you did: It was wrong.
Lee really did step up their game in Progressives. I got my hands on a Load Master for cheap, and I'm pretty happy with it. No spot for a Powder Check though, points given to the Successor.
I’ve had a Dillon SDB for 30 years. I want to upgrade from a single stage press for rifle. I was leaning towards the 550 but am now certain it will fill my needs best, after watching this video. Great job, great effort. Your channel is awesome.
I can truly appreciate your hard work and effort you put into this video. Some may not realize the mind grueling process of deciding which presses to feature and all the factors taken into account to make the decisions you did. Great job 👏
Wow, you've been busy. This is awesome information and review. I have a few presses but one progressive being the Dillon xl650 and I love it. I want another one to do the large and small primer thing. Can't say anything bad about the Dillon. I have a RCBS rockchucker and a turret press too. They all have a purpose. Thanks for your time and effort.
Very impressed with the video. Nice to see the comparisons on a variety of presses. I have very minimal experience on a Dillon 550 back in the early 90s. Right now I have two Lee Loadmasters for six handgun calibers. One for small primers and one for larges primers. One thing I wish he would have touched on is whether the priming is on the upstroke or downstroke. Being a member of the Lee cult it does make a difference.
Let me start of with saying WOW!!! What a video & I only watched the presses I have, had & the ones I am considering purchasing. You are spot on with absolutely ZERO biases which is very nice. I had the Lee loadmaster. When I decided that press wasn't for me. I decided that there was literally nobody on earth I hated so much that I would have took $$$ from in exchange for the press. So I gave it away to a work friend with TONS of warning's that it's going to take time to set up & get running smooth from day to day or even hr by hr. It really seems that the best bang for the buck is the X10. I been lurking around that press for a bit now & am confident that I will purchase that one in the near future. I am confident that with most reloaders, we don't mind spending more money on a press if that gets us a more efficient press in the long run. The X10 looks beefy & very well made. I really like the amount of plastic that isn't used. Although I would consider that one a commercial press as it looks like it's built as strong as a tank. As always, I really appreciate your videos & in depth view & review of the products you're testing. Keep it up!!!
Gavin- do you by chance have an updated release time frame for the x10? I have emailed frankfort arsenal regarding an update but haven't heard anything back...
I started with a lee pro 1000 and just got tired of all the hiccups. My friend showed me his dillon 550 I Sold everything off now a proud dillon owner it was worth the money!!! And I do 8 different cartridges! From 9mm-500sw and .223 up to 6.5cm
The Dylan 550 is not auto indexing. I don’t even consider it a progressive press. The pro 1000 beats it by a mile. If you’re having hiccups with the pro 1000 you probably haven’t set it up properly.
Started on my reloading journey with the Lee hand tools and shotgun press over 40 years ago. Graduated 20 years later on to a used Dillon RL550B because the price was right. Upgrading process and parts/tools as budget allows. 550B has been solid, reliable, fully supported by both company and community probably the single best investment in a machine. Also have a MEC single stage for processing and load development. My advice to a new loader would be a progressive and the 550 series with its semi progressive and upgradable nature i think is the sweet spot and has good resale value. If you are just starting ona budget go with Lee if you know you are hooked go with Dillon save up if need be. Articles about starting with single stage instead of progressive are not spot on and the 550 series is where the value in production and control, and small learning curve
As a noob i really appreciate your comment. What I'm totally lost on is- I'm looking for a progressive press that will have the most variety/ability to do different rounds ex. .223, 9mm, 762x39, .45acp, .357, .38, 7mm, .308, 30-06, 30-30 etc etc. Can i simply buy the "dies" for each round or am i limited by the machine? Is there a press that can do them all? Thank you
@@thomasjefferson6334 the Dillon 550 just needs dies, and a shell plate and locator pins ( caliber conversion kit) for each caliber. Sometimes a different powder bar. I know lots of books say start with a non progressive press but as an intermediate reloader i would go strait for the 550. It is manual indexing and you can do one at a time but it's easy to progressively reload at a comfortable pace
Great video and I learned a lot and you made me realize I really need the Dillon precision XL 750 and I was fixing to make a big mistake buying the Lee precision 4000!!
Thank you for all the hard work and effort you have put into making this video. Now to digest all this information to figure out what I would want to get that fits my budget and needs. The information is there for sure. Thanks.
Hey Gavin, even if it wasn't a fair comparison the round concentricity would have been very nice to know. That said, how about a turret press shootout with concentricity added? Say the Lee Classic Turret, RCBS, Redding T7, Lyman 8, Area 419 Zero, and any others you have on hand. I prefer accurate and consistent ammo and wonder how much is given up on a decent turret press like the T7 or even cheaper Lee Classic over a quality single stage.
I was thinking of upgrading my XL750 for the RL1100 for the swaging feature but the smaller maximum case length makes it a no go as I load .308, 6.5 creedmoor and soon to be 8.6 blackout. Bummer.
so my take away from this is (as an aspiring reloader) Get the Lee Pro 1000 to start with. ive also seen an upgrade floating around that feeds the buttet heads for you. so all you need to do is work the lever (and keep an eye on the stations to keep them fed).
Thanks for putting this together. I have the loadmaster. It worked great initially, but now having some problems with the powder feed. Thinking of moving up.
I'm in the market right now and have just watched your awesome single stage shootout. ... I was so excited to see this ... and now I watched it ... my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
I’m only giving advice because I’m pretty sure it’s worth more than this video: I’m in the market and I’m pretty sure the LnL is the best option if you can deal with only five stations. There’s 3D printed case feeders for cheap too. I’ll buy one if prices ever come back to earth.
Great video! I've got a Hornady LNL now. But I started with an old hand me down RCBS RC2. I loaded just under 20K in my first 13 months with that old press! At over 145K combined now...
I can’t say I’m not disappointed in this “comparison”. The thing I waited two years for was mostly to see which progressive press loaded the best ammo. Concentricity, accuracy tests etc. maybe which one has the best powder measure or what ones the fastest, smoothest, most ergonomic. These are things people can not learn themselves without taking random guys word on forums. You would need to buy and then try.
What we got is a brief overview of specs, accessories, and price, which can be come by through basic research. I don’t even know how this would take two years. Almost like it’s targeted to those brand new to reloading and don’t even know what a progressive press advantages are. Most of us know what can be done with more stations and that you can add case and bullet feeders. The things we are unable to learn ourselves are the exact things you did not cover.
Kinda agree with you.
Agreed
I didn't watch the entire thing with rapt attention, but it sounds like you got some legit complaint. Demand your money back!
cool life story kid
Shill city is what it was unfortunately
I love the fact that you shared some negitive things. It always feels disingenuous when you watch a review/comparison and it comes off like an infomercial. You did an excellent job here of being honest, yet not "burying" any company's. Kudos and Great work!
Never signed up for a premiere video on TH-cam but this one I think everyone has been anxiously awaiting!
Good deal!
I have to give you a big thumbs up on all the work it took to put this together. Great presentation!
Gavin, I’ve been watching you off and on for 15 years. You really are the ultimate reloader!
Never once reloaded a single cartridge. But that'll change. Thanks for the many reloading videos.
Ps: going single stage. Not getting a mark 7 or something crazy. Thanks again.
Can’t imagine how long this video took to edit and put together. Thanks for all your hard work, Gavin. Always contributing. Although I would like to see an ammo consistency comparison between the presses, I imagine it would be motion picture in length. Thanks again for the information.
Probably just an hour and a half..🤪
I use a loadmaster, but deprime on a C-press, and prime on a bench prime. Only clean primed cases are ever on the press so it stays clean. Resize on 1, powder on 2, powder-cop on 3, seat on 4, crimp on 5. This arrangement solved all my problems with the loadmaster.
My introduction to all this Gee-Whiz gear was way back in the late 1970s and spending some time with a Dillon 1000, set up to reload .308 Win. WAY out of my personal financial league, but it clearly showed the way for the well-heeled enthusiast. However, I run a Lee 1000 for 9mmP.
VERY early on I learned about the problems of primer feed / seating and powder "spillage" ( if you try to go too fast , a few flakes will sometimes "shake" out of the case as it approaches the seating station. These magically seems to find its way into the "guts" of the mechanism and start to gum things up
The issue of "primer crud" getting into teh press was solved by Carbide sizing ALL the cases on my Rockchucker. Cases are then sorted into crimped "range pickups" and "un-crimped" commrcial style. The crimped ones get a once-only treatment from my fabulous Dillon 600 primer pocket "adjuster". If you "recycle" a lot of ex-mil brass, this is the ONLY pocket swager to buy, I had endless dramas with both the CH and RCBS press-mounted systems . The Dillon is better than Smirnoff!. Prepped brass gets a whirl in the trusty Lyman Cyclone to remove ALL the remaining detritus. Thus, ONLY fully-prepped and clean and shiny cases go through the 1000. I do all this case prep in bulk; several thousand at a time. The finished and FULLY DRIED cases then go into AIRTIGHT storage jars with a date label. So, no rummaging around for suitable brass come match season; it will be there , sparkling, on the storage shelf.
It also means that you will have weeded out the dubious cases somewhere along that preparation chain. See also: culling out the "small-primered" 45ACP "NT" cases from the "normal" ones". In these parts, weeding out Berdan-primed brass is also a must. Not that it is "un-reloadable", just you cannot do it on a progressive press set up for Boxer primers. Waste not, want not, especially if you live in places where ammo and components cost at least 3 times the US MSRP.
One additional thing about the 1000: the indexing "drive-shaft" arrangement is marginal, at best. The dinky nylon "follower" is not immortal and, as it wears, the press "timing" goes astray.. I lube the entire machine with Moly powder, NEVER any oil or grease. This slicks things up substantially, BUT, as soon as you notice a bit of "sluggishness" or misalignment, it is time for a full service. Spares are cheap; keep a stash of any of the small plastic bits handy. Moving the "heavy" sizing and priming operations off-press substantially reduces the wear and tear on the press even if, like me, you run with the Lee case and bullet feeder extras. Finally, the "Auto-Disk powder systems work better with all the moving parts receiving a rub-over of graphite powder.
Also LOTS of videos about "hot-rodding the 1000 hereabouts.
“What we will not cover: ammunition evaluation”
The one thing we all were waiting for 😒
it's definitely a factor and could be compared using the same (hornady) dies.
You don't like the video? Do one yourself. It's easy to sit back and complain till it's time to put up or shut up.
@@pcburner068 A; I don’t make TH-cam videos for a living, he does. Usually quite good ones, hence why I expected this relevant information to be included
B; Ammunition evaluation was included in his single stage press shootout. It’s very reasonable to want to see that information here as well. After all it is THE end result that actually matters. Most of this video is just listing features that could be found on the manufacturers website. That’s not a shootout.
Great video for making the final decision after going back and forth for a long time. Thanks
When discussing Dillon loaders I was waiting for you to mention one of the most important specs. The lifetime warranty. I have two 550s over 15 years old and have loaded so much ammo on them that one has been rebuilt once and the other twice. Free. Something breaks or wears out, they have replaced it or provided parts to rebuild it. Plus, I understood you to talk about "manual index" as a negative. You can index as slowly as you want or as fast when it is manual. If you are loading an almost full pistol case you can index slow enough that you aren't jumping powder out. A positive to me.
Slows the process down.
I am definitely interested in the X10 from Franklin Armory. Really great demonstration and the pros and cons as presented are fantastic. In-depth and succinct. The fact that you have used some of the reloaders gives you insight and knowledge that you pass on freely. You are a big help to me!
Even though I'm totally locked into my 550 and 650 dillons I'm really looking forward to this.
Thank you very much , I been loading since I was 9 , to this day , I can listen to you talk all day like a teacher. Very easy to understand ❤️❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@gavin Lee has a new Progressive Press coming out with a six die positions and primes on the downstroke, so all six are available. It's called the Pro 6000.
Looking forward to it! Huge amount of info and specs collected!
It's going to be GREAT- see you at the Premier!!! Thanks Dan.
This was amazing. Thank you for doing this. You've saved me hours of research. I've narrowed down my choices to 2-3 presses now.
You're welcome!
This had to take so much work, thank you for putting this together 🇺🇸
This just makes me wish I could use my dillon rl 550, I haven't been able to find primers in almost 2 years, and the ones I had as a backup are all but gone. 😢
I don't understand why many people are bashing Gavin for the video.
Progressive Reloading have a ton variables, and he ain't a scientific lab doing scientific research.
An apples to apples comparison is maybe impossible.
Break down of the quirks and total cost of ownership is great. (For example, the Lee Load Master is somewhat of a 4.5 station press.)
In my opinion, great video Gavin.
People were expecting much more based on the old single stage comparison video. Remember he said this has been in planning from 2008 and was posted 2 years after the single stage video so the hype and expectations were not in line with him just reading the product specs and telling rough prices.
Now that doesn't make this a bad video. Great video for new people getting into progressive presses. One stop shop specs breakdown.
We ordered cheesecake but only got the cake. Cake is still good just not what we wanted lol.
@@armalite3009 still, free cake.
Maybe we should be a bit more appreciative?
@@tonyzhu403 pump the brake there fella. Appreciate the free content? You ask too much sir. I want my cheesecake lol
Thank you for the great video. I have the Hornady AP for about 7 years that I do all my pistol rounds on I have 2 Redding T-7s for my rifle.🇺🇸
Man that had to be the most expensive reloading video ever. Thanks so much Gavin for all of your great videos. 😎
Awesome video. I'm looking to upgrade from my first Lee turret to a fully progessive and this has video gives me the information i was looking for. Thanks again.
I have 7 Dillon square deals 2 550's one in 30-06 and the other in 300 win mag 2 SL900 12 & 20 gauge 2 mec shotgun reloaders 16 & 28 gauges and Forster coax /////
I reload for 58 different calibers and 4 shotgun gauges . I started to reload in 1980 @ the age of 20 I was ery poor at the time and my first 30-06 ammo came from WWII blank ammo , I pulled the flash powder and de-primed the cases and chamfered out the primer pocket and then reloaded oer 1000 free Blank cases and got on an average 12 to 15 reload's for my M Garand. Alan Thomas
In all fairness everyone has their own opinion. Gavin does give a good review as a whole. None of these machines would be on the market today if there were not people buying them enough for them to stay in business building them. They all work. I personally have a Dillon but that is just my choice at the time. They will be in business if I need parts and their warranty is as good as it gets. Not saying any of the others are any better or worse. Most all of them have plusses and minuses. I don't believe there is a perfect progressive press.
Hey Gavin, I want to thank you for putting in the hours to get this done. I've been watching a lot of your content over the last couple of weeks as I prepare to start my reloading journey. After doing quite a bit of my own research, and waiting for my head to stop spinning, I had my mind all but set on the Lee Pro 4000 but really was looking for a cumulative comparison of what's out there. This video hit it out of the park for me. Everything about it, the costs associated, pros and cons, comparing everything available from each manufacturer, optional accessories, jist really top notch presentation all the way. Much appreciated!
Definitely been waiting on this one!
No exaggeration when I say I've been waiting YEARS for this.
I couldn't wait anymore so I broke down and picked up a Lee load master a few months back. Lets see if that choice is backed up by Gavin.
Awesome video. Time to sit down and make a solid plan for reloading.
Thank you for all you do!
I really appreciate you and your help
The load master with just a few ETSY upgrades and smart tuning mods becomes the best one BY FAR for a beginner who doesnt want to spend 2 minutes per bullet for the same price as a single stage with all the stuff you need to not hate preloading. i can switch calibers in under 10 minutes easily and do 1100 rds per hour even while paying attention with my 6 tube case feeder and ETSY mods. im in it for $504 for 3 calibers of dies/plates/powder feeders, plus, 4 etsy mods and 6 tubes for the ETSY case feeder. For another $180 in dies and tubes, i could do 5-6 more calibers too with the same shell plates and powder feeders
Santa Clause brought my Loadmaster in 2018 when I was doing a lot of USPSA shooting. "Fidgeting" is a profession when you own a LM... and I eventually gave up on the priming system altogether choosing to manual prime off press and use the stations as: #1 with case feeder for sizing (decap removed) #2 for Rotary powder/flare, #3 for a powder check, #4 seat and #5 crimp. If I ever need high volume pistol again, I'd probably jump over to the other "RED" alternative.
After the stellar test setup for the single press test, I had hoped for the type of data provided during the single press showdown.
I have been reloading since 1966 and you have reminded me of things I forgot. Keep up the great work 👍
Getting into reloading, and this really helped me with my decision. Thank you so much for the video!
I like the analogy about the race horses going back and forth....
But as the old saying goes: “buy once cry once”.... I believe “The Blue” wins on an overall if you also factor in “time”
And yes, most people as commented would like to see an overall product comparison “accuracy test”, etc.
But I. relieve you have tested all or almost all of these separately, and those results can be found in your other vids.
Thx for taking the crazy amount of time I’m sure it was to splice this all together
Thanks Gavin I like this comparison. I have been using the RCBS Rockchucker for many years. Time to upgrade.
I would love to see a progressive shotshell press shootout.
My loadmaster in 2016 shipped was 203 in 9mm config, bought 7.62, 223 and 350 legend dies case holder and 2 auto drums for another 200. Still running strong tens of thousands rounds loaded
Loadmaster was a really good budget progressive.
We need a turret press showdown now. If not too much to ask. Thanks for video. Great info.
Thanks Gavin for simplifying all this for me, I just ordered the x10.
Congrats, and thanks for watching!
Have you reviewed the Lee inline bullet feeder and will it work with the FA X10 and or which feeder would you recomend for the X20?
You have an outstanding channel and when I need a reference outside of MFG I go to you. Thanks for all the effort and accuracy!
@Gavin, thank you so much for doing this video. I can't even imagine the time and work it took to put this together (not to mention costs). This video has really helped with narrowing down which is the right progressive press for me!
Just here to boost the algorithm. This videos deserves so many more views.
Oh no! Lee is putting out the Pro 6000 later this year.
Yeah, they missed the boat on this one! Haven't heard from LEE in a long time.
Excellent job. Well done and looking forward for more.
Thank you Gavin, leading the reloading revolution! It was worth the wait!
Ba Man - you are the master of overstatement.
Gavin. YOU ARE THE MAN!
You are too kind, Thanks for watching!
An Ammo Quality follow-up would help many decide, but the effort would be huge.
In May of 2023 I graduated from my Lee Classic Turret (which I still love) to the Lee Six Pack Pro 6000. It is an amazing press at half the price of a Hornady LNL.
I am so grateful for this video. I'm just getting into reloading, and this video helped me narrow down my choices. I'm between the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP and the Dillon XL-750. I don't want to start at the bottom and work my way up. I am probably buying my last Press first. The choice isn't made, but it's much narrower now. Thank You, very much.
Which one did you go with? Funny enough those are the two im looking at the begin my reloading journey as well. I dont like starting off too basic either. My 3rd option considered would probably be the lee pro 6000.
Great video! Big Blue all the way for me... I've had my 650 since '98, and keeping an eye on what they've been going for on ebay, I can actually get more for it now than I paid for it 24 years ago.
That is a good investment! :)
Excellent overview, thank you!
Well done Gavin as always and thanks for Keeping Us well informed !
The only kind of Progressive I like.
Thanks Gavin, lots of time in this. Looks like the X-10 is out and maybe a Dillon Square Deal B and an upgraded single stage for my rifles.
Awesome frikin job with your channel n knowledge of all you content...I learned my progressive from your videos.🔥🔥..hands down brotha...thanx..take care🤙🤙
I love you videos. Very educational. Bought my xl750 2 yrs ago. After watching tons of videos and reading. Had your video on repeat setting up my xl750😂. Thank you
Great video, thank you for your efforts to clear up the market!
Great Video helped a lot with my final decision, Dillon XL 750
Good stuff. Still and always comes down to individual preferences, needs and other factors $$. Thank you as always.
Well said!
I was going to go out and buy a XL750, but now I'm seriously looking at the Frankford X10
Long time coming! Can't wait to see the results of all your hard work Gavin.
Thanks for this video, it really helps out. Greetings from The Netherlands.
I have a Dillon SDB and love it. Super consistent. My only complaint is that it's a PITA to adjust case flare. Other than that, it does what it advertises.
Thank You for the review Gavin. I just bought a Lee 90900 Breech Lock Auto Pro for a decent price from Midway USA, and I already have all the dies for the pistol and rifle calibers I shoot. So, my investment will be(along with the 90900) the shell plate holders and the Safety Primer Feed system because the one that came with my Challenger Breech Lock kit doesn't work with the 90900. I also purchased the Lee Universal Case Feed, the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and Bullet Feed kit. This progressive press will definitely be used for high-volume as opposed to my Challenger single stage press. In my opinion, any press that will spit out a round with every pull of the arm is high volume. I'm sorry Gavin, I just can't agree with your assessment of the Lee Breech Lock 90900. I've heard to many good things about it. Thank You for your hard work and dedication.
Thanks for all of your work on this. Great info for sure.
Lee six pack pro 6000 has entered the chat and took economics first place right away!
I just got the six pack a month ago, constant jamming, double case feeding, primers not feeding, inconsistent OAL +/- 1mm, and powder variance of almost +/- .7 grains. I returned it and bought the xl750, no issues so far. The six pack has had a lot of praise, but I do not recommend it.
@@skopperkopp6091 whatever you did, you did it wrong. I'm at over 15k round 9mm and 45ACP on my sixpack using hornady dies and I'm cranking out around 500-700rds/hr using an auto bullet feeder. OAL is super consistent, such is precision and speed. Again: Whatever you did: It was wrong.
@firebladeflow I mean maybe, to each their own. After getting the dillon and loading 3k of 223 I've never had a problem
@@firebladeflowthe Dillon is better, However, I agree with you.
Lee really did step up their game in Progressives.
I got my hands on a Load Master for cheap, and I'm pretty happy with it.
No spot for a Powder Check though, points given to the Successor.
I’ve had a Dillon SDB for 30 years. I want to upgrade from a single stage press for rifle. I was leaning towards the 550 but am now certain it will fill my needs best, after watching this video. Great job, great effort. Your channel is awesome.
Excellent information, looking move to a progressive reloader.
Excellent video !!!!! Keep up the great work !!!
I can truly appreciate your hard work and effort you put into this video. Some may not realize the mind grueling process of deciding which presses to feature and all the factors taken into account to make the decisions you did. Great job 👏
Wow, you've been busy. This is awesome information and review. I have a few presses but one progressive being the Dillon xl650 and I love it. I want another one to do the large and small primer thing. Can't say anything bad about the Dillon. I have a RCBS rockchucker and a turret press too. They all have a purpose. Thanks for your time and effort.
Very impressed with the video. Nice to see the comparisons on a variety of presses. I have very minimal experience on a Dillon 550 back in the early 90s. Right now I have two Lee Loadmasters for six handgun calibers. One for small primers and one for larges primers. One thing I wish he would have touched on is whether the priming is on the upstroke or downstroke. Being a member of the Lee cult it does make a difference.
Awesome been looking forward to this video 👍
Let me start of with saying WOW!!!
What a video & I only watched the presses I have, had & the ones I am considering purchasing.
You are spot on with absolutely ZERO biases which is very nice.
I had the Lee loadmaster. When I decided that press wasn't for me. I decided that there was literally nobody on earth I hated so much that I would have took $$$ from in exchange for the press. So I gave it away to a work friend with TONS of warning's that it's going to take time to set up & get running smooth from day to day or even hr by hr.
It really seems that the best bang for the buck is the X10. I been lurking around that press for a bit now & am confident that I will purchase that one in the near future. I am confident that with most reloaders, we don't mind spending more money on a press if that gets us a more efficient press in the long run. The X10 looks beefy & very well made. I really like the amount of plastic that isn't used. Although I would consider that one a commercial press as it looks like it's built as strong as a tank.
As always, I really appreciate your videos & in depth view & review of the products you're testing.
Keep it up!!!
Wow, great job Gavin. Tons of great information. Thanks!
Gavin- do you by chance have an updated release time frame for the x10? I have emailed frankfort arsenal regarding an update but haven't heard anything back...
A very nice piece of work. Thank you very much.
The Lee factory crimp/carbide resize pistol die is amazing. Produces very nice cartridges. Also the colllet neck sizing for rifles.
You would release this the weekend after I drop big dollars on a near new XL650 😄
You will like the Dillon!
Great work!!
I started with a lee pro 1000 and just got tired of all the hiccups. My friend showed me his dillon 550 I Sold everything off now a proud dillon owner it was worth the money!!! And I do 8 different cartridges! From 9mm-500sw and .223 up to 6.5cm
The Dylan 550 is not auto indexing. I don’t even consider it a progressive press. The pro 1000 beats it by a mile. If you’re having hiccups with the pro 1000 you probably haven’t set it up properly.
Where would the Lee 6000 end up if it were available when you did this test?
Started on my reloading journey with the Lee hand tools and shotgun press over 40 years ago. Graduated 20 years later on to a used Dillon RL550B because the price was right. Upgrading process and parts/tools as budget allows. 550B has been solid, reliable, fully supported by both company and community probably the single best investment in a machine. Also have a MEC single stage for processing and load development. My advice to a new loader would be a progressive and the 550 series with its semi progressive and upgradable nature i think is the sweet spot and has good resale value. If you are just starting ona budget go with Lee if you know you are hooked go with Dillon save up if need be. Articles about starting with single stage instead of progressive are not spot on and the 550 series is where the value in production and control, and small learning curve
As a noob i really appreciate your comment.
What I'm totally lost on is- I'm looking for a progressive press that will have the most variety/ability to do different rounds ex. .223, 9mm, 762x39, .45acp, .357, .38, 7mm, .308, 30-06, 30-30 etc etc.
Can i simply buy the "dies" for each round or am i limited by the machine?
Is there a press that can do them all?
Thank you
@@thomasjefferson6334 dillon 550 just need dies and a conversion kit for each caliber maybe a different powder bar
@@thomasjefferson6334 the Dillon 550 just needs dies, and a shell plate and locator pins ( caliber conversion kit) for each caliber. Sometimes a different powder bar. I know lots of books say start with a non progressive press but as an intermediate reloader i would go strait for the 550. It is manual indexing and you can do one at a time but it's easy to progressively reload at a comfortable pace
Dillion Square Deal B and RL550C are my favorites because it's what I know.
Great video and I learned a lot and you made me realize I really need the Dillon precision XL 750 and I was fixing to make a big mistake buying the Lee precision 4000!!
Thank you for all the hard work and effort you have put into making this video. Now to digest all this information to figure out what I would want to get that fits my budget and needs. The information is there for sure. Thanks.
I bought the Hornady A/P press. 'mazin' ! The RCBS single stage press is still on my bench.
This video and your single stage video was awesome. Love to see a turret press comparison video
thank you
Hey Gavin, even if it wasn't a fair comparison the round concentricity would have been very nice to know. That said, how about a turret press shootout with concentricity added? Say the Lee Classic Turret, RCBS, Redding T7, Lyman 8, Area 419 Zero, and any others you have on hand.
I prefer accurate and consistent ammo and wonder how much is given up on a decent turret press like the T7 or even cheaper Lee Classic over a quality single stage.
ive waited so long for this. my lee turret press is dying, my body is ready
I was thinking of upgrading my XL750 for the RL1100 for the swaging feature but the smaller maximum case length makes it a no go as I load .308, 6.5 creedmoor and soon to be 8.6 blackout. Bummer.
so my take away from this is (as an aspiring reloader) Get the Lee Pro 1000 to start with.
ive also seen an upgrade floating around that feeds the buttet heads for you. so all you need to do is work the lever (and keep an eye on the stations to keep them fed).
Thanks for putting this together. I have the loadmaster. It worked great initially, but now having some problems with the powder feed. Thinking of moving up.
Dillon 550 are great press. 100's of thousands of round thru mine i got used!!
I've got a lee turret press that I learned on and a Square Deal B which I absolutely enjoy loading 9mm on!
I'm in the market right now and have just watched your awesome single stage shootout.
... I was so excited to see this
... and now I watched it
... my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
I’m only giving advice because I’m pretty sure it’s worth more than this video: I’m in the market and I’m pretty sure the LnL is the best option if you can deal with only five stations. There’s 3D printed case feeders for cheap too. I’ll buy one if prices ever come back to earth.
@@PastaLaVista. I appreciate that you gave a helpful answer to my random shitpost.
@@celluskh6009 haha well I need someone to get something out of clicking this
Great video!
I've got a Hornady LNL now. But I started with an old hand me down RCBS RC2. I loaded just under 20K in my first 13 months with that old press! At over 145K combined now...
Fantastic video!
Very well done Video, great work
I don't prime on my Loadmaster, so have plenty room for all 5 stations