6 SPEED SWAPPED my E36 M3 but got Screwed by a Rookie Mistake.
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- Today we complete the e46 m3 6 speed swap into my BMW e36 m3! The RTD shifter gets sold for something else, we test drive the car with the new transmission, and you find out why I had to swap the trans... TWICE. Thanks for watching homies! Your support has been amazing!
This video is dedicated to Landon Edwards. Heaven help him get an engine in his frickin BRZ so he can rip and stop spending money on Teslas.
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You're one of the best e36 channels but you don't upload nearly enough
Imagine if he upload more content. 4 me he is the number 1
I subscribed two years ago for this swap 🤣 I no longer have my m3 it was totaled (hit by a drunk driver) but I’m happy you are finally able to complete this dream 💪🏽💪🏽
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Excellent video! (and a long time coming LOL)
I was waiting for you to do it first before I dove in... but I got impatient with not doing any more upgrades and since I already had "all the bolt-ons" I went a bit crazy on the spendy performance mods and got the Active Autowerke Stage 3 supercharger kit.
Still only 5 speed... but the dyno says 459 whp and 420 pound feet...
I am actually contemplating a TALLER differential with 3 clutches so that 1st and 2nd gear can be used for more than just melting expensive tires LOL
Keep up the great content, thanks!
Nice efforts on the gearbox change Treats, looking forward to more content. Lovely MCar you have there.
Super cool bro! Currently undertaking an M52B28 + ZF 5 speed install into an E36. Great content as always bro!
Now I’m subscribed. This is great!!!
Awesome swap... Thnks for the great content...
Great work! I actually want to do that since I have a 3.91 LSD and the revs are so high in the highway
Thats nice!!! I have a 6speed GS6-37DZ from a diesel e90 320d waiting to be swapped in my 328i e36! it´s not a common swap but it´s possible, and a loooot cheaper too! Plus, is a bit more torque capable than the 5 speed... Keep it up with the work, love your e36, you where my inspiration to get my car so thank you!
I just went through something similar on my M3 with the while you are in there stuff. I eventually just ripped everything out and redid everything. Glad you finally got it done! I hope this will be me in a few years lol.
You make it happen bro. Kudos.
Great video!
I've been waiting for this for years because I knew it was possible gonna come back here when I do it myself one day
I’m curious, was it the input shaft seal that was leaking? Like on the inside of the bell housing? Or was it the seal behind the driveshaft (output shaft seal)? Good work btw! Love the car and would love to meet up with my ‘98 for a cruise one day!
Finally!!!!! Congrats.
Wish me luck with my LS and DCT swap 🫣
You should post the part numbers and links for the parts. Really nice vid otherwise. Been followig for years 💪💪
So awesome!!
It's kind of like the M50 intake, it just gives the motor more room to work and feel comfortable. Now, the engine won't be so revved up on long interstate commutes. Definitely a good mod for owners that use the interstate often in their M3.
I noticed the mpg gauge definitely improves it's position up in 6th gear. That is the number one reason I want a 6 speed in mine. I do a lot of highway miles but in the grand scheme the fuel savings will never pay off.
this sounds like quite an experience. I bet it's amazing, shifts look crisp as hell! Also very happy you got rid of that other shifter. While i don't doubt it's good, it just looked silly in a pristine car like this. This right now is the real deal.
Also here they say 500 kilometers for the break-in, not 500 miles, and 500km = 310 miles so ;)
Btw for anyone on a budget, you can get 6 speed tranny out of e46 330d, you just have to also replace engine mounts since transmission sits at 30 degrees angle in diesels. And those are bulletproof since they have to endure all that torque from a 330d obviously. So there ya go ;)
Unless of course, you live in America, like Gavin and myself… then the E46 diesel was never offered here, and not a readily available option… Wish we got them though considering they handle the most torque!! 👍🏻
@@dustinjohnson9166 welp, look on the internet. I have them readily available all around me for about $150. Even with shipping it wouldn't be more than $300 total i'd assume. If you do all the work yourself, with engine mounts, it would still be less than $500 total, with new clutch and flywheel and other bits and pieces i'd round it at $1500 maximum which is still considerably cheaper than alternatives. 😉 I didn't know you didn't get e46 330d though, kind of a fun car... for a diesel lol
@@Sibiriuss Whoa, that's sick. I didn't know any of that!
@@Sibiriuss Good info!!! I didn’t know they were that cheap in Europe. I wonder what shipping what cost. Another thing I just thought of… isn’t the E46 330d a 5 speed manual? Unless the 6MT was an optional extra for the 330d?
@@dustinjohnson9166 I just checked, postage would be about $190-$200. There might be cheaper options though, I haven't checked Fedex. e46 pre-restyling came with 5 speed while restyling came with both 5 and 6 speed transmissions. I can't vouch but I think lower level trims usually didn't get it, but for example my e46 320d M sport package (even if it's a 2.0) got it. Obviously transmission is not the same for 2.0 and 3.0 but I'm fairly certain higher level trims got it for the most part, while bone stock 330d might not have it. In regards to availability - they are not that cheap on eBay or such marketplaces, people try to scrape your skin there. Speaking of which, e36 m3 3.2 pistons in US cost like $100, i got multiple sets from there, while here they are closer to $500 because of aforementioned availability of parts. Speaking of which, i'd happily send you a 3.0d transmission for two sets of e36 m3 pistons (where I'd pay +$60 for piston postage, you'd have ~$200 for the tranny). 🙂
my input shaft is leaking on my 5spd. wish you showed how you did it lol
I did a zf 6 speed swap in my e36 just waiting to install the fuel cell and turbo kit
It's possible to do on my e36 323i non M3 let me know please
I 6 speed swapped my zhp but I went with the m3 trans because it could hold more torque and there are way more clutch options for it.
The ZF 6-speed has a special spline count so there are limited clutch options. But supposedly is shifts smoother
What is the part number to this seal? There are no specifics mentioned.
Beside modifying the bell housing, I understand that I’d need to modify the gear box for the Gear Identification Switch. What parts will go into the new tapped hole? if you could, please provide the list of parts that I need, part numbers ?
The gear switch just plugs is without modification because one is already there and used on the SMG cars. I believe it is what tells the car when it is in reverse. All the other plugs that are now unused you just leave them in the transmission but they don't plug into anything.
I recently purchased an m3 with an smg trans swap that was converted to manual and I feel like the gearing is way too long
Can you link all the parts?
Dumb question but when you jack the back of the car up do you use the diff or the subframe as the jacking point I read a forum and it’s like 50/50 saying both
It's impossible to use the diff on an e36 because the subframe cradles it. I jack mine up via the subframe right under the diff.
what brand was the red transmission brace you had on the car before?
No idea. It was one of the few things that already came modified on the car when I bought it and there was no branding anywhere
My 328is is still a 4 speed at 80 mph I’m doing nearly 4300rpm it’s terrible 😂 Amazing video thanks for sharing the knowledge!
3.91 from the auto?
@@TechTokOffical yeah m8 good when welded and drifted, not so much when cruising on the free way haha
Can you put a six speed on a 318ic
What kind of headers do you have?? Beautiful. I have a 98 328i, been wanting to redo the exhaust! Any recommendations?
Mine are SuperSprint reps. Love the way they sound and pulls harder up top at a bit of a low end torque sacrifice. If you want to keep low end grunt I'd go for Turner shorty's
Honestly by the time you're swapping in e46 transmissions and modding suspension components and what not it's gotta feel like you should have gone with a 328i and fitted it with an S54 or even the higher displacement model N52.
The E36 has the best body so I get that for sure...just by the time you're modding stuff you can get so much more out of the car that unfortunately equalizes the M3 with the rest of the lineup
How’s the ceramic coating still holding on since the video you made about it?
Holding up great.
well ful evo treatment would be great ( s50b32 + type210 rear end 3.23 )
Well done Gav. I put in a “e36 specific” 420g and now love it on the highway. I agree with taking out the body mount shifter as the 420g is a lot more crashy changing gears, but then feels right with the normal shifter in but with upgrades and/or new bushes.
Love your channel! What about a Euro 50b32 as your next upgrade? Stock 320hp awaits!
For what it would cost to not only buy one,but ship it...one would be better off to supercharge it with like 8lb of boost. Give it a consistent boost in hp instead of all at once,plus it multiples those awesome intake sounds. There is one more option NO ONE ever talks about doing,but I can't say it cuz I feel like anyone with an enthusiast+ build will wanna do it(and it's not an s54 swap)
Must not have seen S50B32 prices lol, coming from a owner of a EVO they aren’t cheap let alone to work on or build
Where do you get those in the US!?
@@alextasarov1341 buy them from a country that did have them and import it
Na. Just get an E46 specific 420G from the states and get the right clutch to match. It is the same bellhousing.
Nice Vid.. I have a boosted 4 door E36 M3 with 5 spd gear box. I too have the 6 spd box pending install. Question is - the clutch lines? Between the 5spd and 6spd box are they interchangeable?
Yeah they work without needing to really modify anything
@Treats On The Streets ok great man thx.
How are you liking the spec d clutch over the sachs clutch ?
The spec clutch grabs pretty hard and quick so it is a little more tricky to drive but not horrible. If it wasn't a stage 3+ it would be more comparable to a Sachs. This clutch will hold a lot more power than the Sachs would and usually that sacrifices a little driveability. I've driven other spec clutches that had smoother engagement.
I loved my 6-speed swap into my 325is. The only problem is I went with a single Mass flywheel clutch and I cannot stand it. I really hate the on or off nature of it. I should have just done a stock flywheel and clutch. Is your new clutch a single mass or dual-mass?
The clutch would just be the clutch,the flywheel is the only thing that would be "dual mass." When I manual swapped my car I had that choice of the single mass flywheel or dual amd SO happy I went with the stock dual mass
Good to see that this car is at least not molested for 500 mls…😩
Question for you.... Does a E36 m3 have a different flywheel from an e46 m3 flywheel? Do you know the difference? Which flyhweel and clutch setup did you use? Also do you like the dual mass over single mass?
You'll need to use an E46 clutch and flywheel because the splines on the input shaft of the transmission are different. I used a spec stage3+ sprung clutch and aluminum single mass flywheel but after using it I would not recommend it. Get a steel flywheel and from what I have seen, DKM makes a great twin plate clutch system that people are really happy with.
Killer video my guy!
Although keep talking crap and I’ll throw away the LS3 and Tesla swap the BRZ out of spite;)
Hey whats up with the old parts ? @treatsonthestreets I have a 318i with a getrag and would like to upgrade to a zf are you selling the parts?
Sold the trans locally the day after I pulled it out. Good luck with your swap!
@@TreatsOnTheStreets good stuff !
Hey, did you gain any milage with 6 speed? I'm in a process of the same thing, but with 330i 6 sped.
I haven't measured it but I'm sure that I have. That big of a drop in RPMs is going to provide better mileage especially on the highway
You should ad links to the parts used
At first, the RTD shifter seemed like a good idea but I dislike the feel. The lash is not eliminated at all but simply disguised by a constant spring force.
13:39 could you write the part numbers? Thanks!
Boost that thang already
Does it require an ECU programming for the 6 speed?
Nope
Anybody know what driveshaft would be needed to swap the 6-speed into a 3.0i Z3 roadster?? It's an "E36/7" chassis, but I'm not a parts diagram reading expert...
I believe the auto m3 one will still work
How’s the stage 3 compared to whatever you had in your 5 spd
Engagement grabs harder. You can tell it is a strong clutch. Has a smaller engagement window but is not bad. Still daily driveable and pretty will mannered. I've driven clutches in a Subaru I used to have that hold less power and were much harder to drive. The one in my 5 speed always felt weak and like it would never grab quickly enough but it was on the last leg of its life. Never liked how that one felt. It was like the clutch was made of mashed potatoes and gravy.
Awesome swap! I have a 1999 E36 that had the same transmission swapped into as well. My question to you is this: I really like having a six speed in the car now but the shifter feels a loose. It’s almost feels like he needs to have the gate changed out. How does yours feel? I’ve been talking to a lot of people trying to find a solution to my problem but nobody seems to have an answer. Will the DINAN shifter solve my problem?
What do you mean feels loose? Like wobbly?
i’ve always heard on the forums that a common issue is the selector rod, it’s got these little plastic washers that wear out super fast. look up a double shear selector rod
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Yes, wobbly. That’s one way to describe it. It does not crunch any gears, but there is an overall loose feel to the shifter mechanism. I’ve previously owned in E 46 M3 with a manual transmission and I presently own 2 E34 cars with Factory 6 speed units and, while none of these are perfect, The one in my E36 definitely feels the worst.
@@540idioT What would be the proper way to address something like this? I’m sorry for the stupid question, I am not very mechanically inclined.
You probably need to replace all of the rubber and plastic parts. I'd recommend looking into a shifter rebuild/ refresh kit. There are a lot of rubber and plastic parts in the linkage and selector rod that get old, worn out, or broken.
What selector rod length did you use for the swap?
You need one for a Euro e36 M3 evo
@@TreatsOnTheStreets thanks. Im planning to do a zf 6 speed swap.
I'm not sure the length on those is the same, especially since one is getrag and the other is zf. You might want to do more research on that for the selector rod length needed for the 6 speed zf
@@TreatsOnTheStreets oh ok. Thanks alot anyway. Im still doing research.
M3 original ?
What percent tint are on your windows
Front is 35 and rear is 20
Which length dssr did you get with the rtd shifter?
The 6speed Evo one. One their site you can choose which m3 it is for if you are using RTD. If you just need a normal selector rod, you'll need the 3.2 m3 Evo one.
Need 109mm dssr
Is the spec clutch loud?
Are you asking if the flywheel causes gear chatter?
Did the E36 have a CDV? If so, I'm guessing it was already long gone! Definitely preferred the clutch feel when I ditched it on my E46
Yeah I got rid of that a little bit ago. Definitely helped a lot.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Enjoy the 6 speed!
If you drive e46 330i with GS6 transmission then e46 M3 with 420G, you would know to choose the ZF over Getrag in heartbeat.
I don't know why you went with "can't shift into 2nd gear" Getrag :DD
U know the "zf > getrag" thing is a stupid myth thought up by gen z like the "water pump issue." Unless a car has boost the getrag will handle ANYTHING thrown at it
i have a 3.38 auto m3 lsd. in 5th 80mph i’m at the same 3600 rpm
Should be slightly higher rpm than mine with the 3.23 unless you have 18's or something.
Just getting into these Classic BMW M Cars and Just Wondering in Disappointment Why These 6 Cyl Engines From Like Late 80's and 90's Were able to make Over 300HP (From a NA Straight 6!) 340HP From 3.2L for example, (Albeit Euro Versions). But seems like no one Can even Achieve the same Performance from today's 6Cyl's Engines W/O some kind of Forced induction Even with all Our Advanced and Modern technologies!.. I know the Major issues back then was putting all that Power to the ground efficiently with the technology available then.. So that got Me wondering, If that 3.2L engine really Made 340HP (Which is still a lot of Power in My Opinion even in todays standards) that got Me wondering. Since Modern Automatic Transmissions are Almost As good And Arguably Shifts Better than Manuals, Is it possible to Mate say that High Output 340HP NA Straight 6 engine to a Modern 6, 7, or 8 speed Automatic Transmission? I know it sounds wild, but Wondering if it's ever been done or if its even possible... ???
I bought a e46 m3 6 speed from Ebay and end up finding out that it was fully build for for track day with only 71,865 miles on it just for $1000
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Did that turbo give away ever happen ?
Yes
@@TreatsOnTheStreets dang good shit to whoever won
got that break in done yet?
Almost there still a little more to go
Now a Euro spec 3.2 e36 M3 engine in it with 321 bhp
Those engines are so expensive in the US. Makes more sense to swap an s54. I'd rather buy a complete Euro m3 and ship it here. Now that's an idea
For the word "sachs" just use the sounds of saying Juan, put the J sound in between sa and the s, and you have the right pronunciation
I know it´s not what the car is about, but have you noticed any difference in fuel economy?
No improvement in city driving mpg and that's pretty much all I have done breaking in this clutch. I anticipate that with lower cruising rpm the highway mileage will be better though.
Will you be selling the 5speed tranny?
I sold it a day after I pulled it out.
90 speed limit?? where
80 speed limit but it is pretty standard to go 10 over here on the freeway.
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you could have probably just put a small screwdriver or something in then and folded that seal out, it was just folded in by the looks of it
Yeah stick a metal object in a soft rubber seal.if the seal folded over that means the garter spring popped off and will leak either way.
I wish something like that would have worked but nope. The spring did pop off and the seal was screwed.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets ah sucks I’ve had them just fold over a little and gently folding them back worked
What are you gonna do with the 5 speed? May I take it off your hands?
Sorry man! I sold it locally the day after I pulled it out.
I went to look at an E36 m3 the other day. The man wanted $15k for a salvage title, 156k mile, non-veydor seat car..
Saw an e36 M3 sell on BaT with over 200k miles for 20k but it was clean title in great condition and had Vaders.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Yes, the guy was asking too much for it. $15k would have been about right if it had a clean title.
ITS ALWAYS THE ONE PART YOU DIDNT BUY, recently got an m3 to go along with my turbo 323is and just went thru this lol
lol my whole car cost me like 3k now way am paying 5k for 6 speed swap
for 5 or 6k u coulda put that into a turbo kit
E46 M3 transmissions are good to hold power. But have terrible synchros. And are not rebuildable.
It's true! Gotta treat em nice on the shifts and change the fluid often. The gs6 53bz is probably a better swap option. It's just heavy and has long gears for these n/a cars.
I wish I were rich
I bought a “5 speed e36” for 600$ turns out it was 6 speed swapped