Which 1.8T Should You Build?
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- When building a big turbo 1.8t from a VW/Audi there are lots of different variations, but does it really matter? So which 1.8t is the right one to build?
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I'm pumped....Thanks Dave and Clayton for the effort, much appreciated.
next episode, how about asking the same question to the cameraman
@@fyuni-tek9422 Not sure I follow this comment.
What can you rev a standeed 1.8t 20v auq engine
I think this video deserves a part 2. Definitely deserves a series.
I agree. That was a super cool video.
What exhaust valves are better than stock and not $1000 for a set? Currently building a 1.8T with a goal of 350-400whp but more is definitely welcome. Capable of 8000rpm "safely" so springs are a must but I really want this to be a cheap dirty rebuild. Don't judge me! Nothing is going to a machine shop, it's getting a ball hone and new bearings, rods, springs and apparently exhaust valve. Again don't judge me, I have kids and I'm broke!
Supertech do amazing valves for the 1.8t. Inlet valves are never a problem. Must do exhaust valves as valves fail and the head falls off the stem.
I have a golf mk2 with ajl code block(058) with adr big port head and cams, k03s, full 70mm exhaust, tt 225 injectors(386cc) and a seat sport cooler. I don't know the power of the car but runs very nice. The n/a cams from adr can keep the power higher and it's a good and cheap mod. Your informations are good and you know 20vt engine. Keep up with a part 2!!
I was wondering what your thoughts are on running the vvt tensioner in the head as opposed to non vvt tensioners. Is the extra potential power worth the added complication? lastly, I have a Link standalone ecu, so is tuning vvt on 1.8ts as simple as setting on and off based on rpm or is it variable in any way on these engines?
It's on and off, you can use it to help boost onset. Very easy to install also.
Awesome video guys!
One note for anyone that is curious. with an aeb block if you go with forged rods you need to grind down a small portion of the inside of the block(intake side) to clear the cylinder 2 rod. If you go with a aba crank in an aeb block you need to remove about 60% of the intermediate shaft gear in order to clear cylinder 4 rod. I have pictures and measurements if anyone needs them.
doesnt seem like there is many of us left, atleast here in the states. people are moving onto the newer 2.0s and im seeing a lot of people do 07k stuff lately.
@@b5Bart yup I completely agree alot of aftermarket 058 parts are being discontinued. There is def some like us out there but not many left for sure which sucks. I’ve been seeing the same 07k is sweet though. Are you on vwvortex or Audizine we may have crossed paths before if you are.
@@Dap-Racing sure am and im sure we did at one point, ive been doing vw audi stuff for almost 20 years now 👌🤟🤟
@@b5Bart hell yeah that’s awesome to Hear. Have a good one sir. What’s your username on the forums?
I have a question, someone is offering a set of ARP head bolts for £180 which is a lot of money, question is are they worth it over the standard £30 bolts on a 320 bhp car, have you ever had a head lift? At 1.2 bar of boost ?
I have a rule 😅
IE ALL THE THINGS
Awp 1.8 for sure
My AWP engine setup (Made 720whp 50psi kill mode) E85 2450# weight
8 point roll cage
8.5-1 SPA Piston
IE Rod
Stock heads and cam
Supertech valve and springs to rev up to 9k
Clutch Master 725 heavy duty spring
Forger Oil pan with buffler
External catch can
3071GT turbo for track day and 4088GT for big power
Tial 50mm wastgate
Tial 44mm blow off valve
Do you have a TH-cam channel or a Facebook would love to see that monster
The AEB has a cast crank, Agu, bam, apy, aum, amk, bjx, Bex all are forged cranks but there are mush more forged. Aeb and Agu are big port. But on my bam small port head I could easily make 500hp. I also went to stainless steel exzhost valves. Stock pistons are very strong.
Im searching for bam 225hp TT for the simple fact i hear a lot of it is forged from factory apart from con rods. I plan to run 350hp on stock rods and internals
Also 058 - AEB, AJL has M11 head bolts. 06A - AWP, AWM etc has M10.
Yes correct. The video is way longer than we expected. Point mainly...is if you're building it...it doesn't matter.
On the subject of pistons. I'm assuming new OEM pistons with aftermarket rods would be more advisable than using the old pistons out of my 205k mile engine. And on that same note, would you advise just trying to find the 20mm wrist pin pistons since the aftermarket rods are easier to find in that size? My old MK4 is tired and i want to show it some love after 6 and a half years of service.
You can reuse the pistons out of your motor as long as they are not damaged. (I.e. valves never made contact). If you have the smaller wrist pins and want upgrade to 20mil wrist pins, then yes, get new pistons
Aeb or agu pistons. Check piston to wall clearance if your worried
You should also do the 2.0 fsi / tsi please🖤
Build a aeb 1.8t😉 I’m also commenting before watching the video all the way through lol
I used an app head with a amk bottom end
Running 327 bhp on my k03 hybrid in a mk2 golf, been running decent for a while on an omex 600 aftermarket ecu
Works well for what it is
Would you say it’s worth it to do a “stroker” with the 2.0 crank?
I really want you guys to talk about head gaskets and stuff
Mad scientist at CO Motorsports throwing the switch for power like Frankenstein!!! Hyped up!!!
Great video, you bastards have me looking for 1.8Ts to play around with!!! Lol Thinking of adapting one to the th400 in my E36 for drifting and other shenanigans, or maybe the 996..... Hmmm.
Seems like there are lots of AEBs in junk yards around me, and if a set of rods, exhaust valves, and valve springs are all I need to do a lot of dumb things, that sounds pretty cool.
1.8t question: could you guys look at the differences in 1.8t and 1.8N/A cams. You probably have a few you could put a vainer to, to see the lift. Maybe see if the part numbers are the same. I think my 1.8t has N/A cams in it😂
We never got NA 1.8t here so I'm not getting my hands on any. Sorry.
Catcams released specs on the adr cams. It's on their website
Yea Google it, it's been researched and tested. The higher longer lift aids turbo spool but kills down low drivability. Like anything. There's a compromise.
@dialgia111 thanks mate.
Small port head Stock Vs ported on same tune .. curious to see what gains could be made
To many variables.
Small port is good up to 450bhp but even then people have used a small port over 600bhp
The real difference will be small port flows better down low in the revs due to port velocity
The large port flows better up high revs due to port size and volume over the small port
I have 2016 jetta sport 1.8t. Want to swap turbo to is38. Cannot find any videos on this
This is very difficult topic, essentially all 20vt are the same but very different when you start comparing engine codes. You should consider engine code when you are going to run stock ECU because thats were the biggest difference is. Some come with narrowband, some with wideband, cable throttle, drive by wire etc etc. Proven combination for low budget sub 500hp is 225hp(if you have later model 150 or 180 with me7.5 just buy a second hand 20mm wristpins pistons) to start with because it has the 20mm wristpin, me7.5 ECU. Buy a set of rods and exhaust valves and thats about it. Turbo choises are endless, very good solution for turbo is a k04-064 from next gen S3 with adapter plate that will give you about 400hp with spool from 2500rpm.
The engine doesn't care what ECUs controlling it.
@@COMotorsports correct but if you are to start with a car with narrowband ecu, cable throttle body it is a pain converting to later model me7.5 wideband ECU and drive by wire. Again thats if you are planning on using stock ECU and not standalone, if you are going straight for standalone ecu doesn't really matter whichever engine you pick.
@@aleksandaraleksandrov8213 I understand your point however this video wasn't about the vehicles they came in, which is why we didn't discuss that. It was strictly about building a 1.8t engine.
Hi, I just seen your comment.
I have a cupra r 1.8t 2005 bam 225bhp.
I’m looking to achieve around 350-400bhp, what do you reckon I need to achieve this power?
Will a hybrid turbo be sufficient?
Or like u mentioned a later s3 turbo from 2.0tsfi be better ?
Will exhaust valves and rods be enough?
I would appreciate any information.
Thanks.
@MrOki419 Hi, depending on what you would like to do with the car. If you want nice easy to drive quick street car, definitely the k04-064 is the way to go. Rods are a must as well as exhaust valves. Also, you will need a minimum of 630cc injectors, bosch 044, or equivalent fuel pump and decent size bar and plate intercooler with at least 2.5" pipework to go with it, 3" downpipe with ideally 3" catback system and a very good tuner who could make work of the hardware on the stock me7.5 ecu.
Hey guys I have been reading throughout all Fordham to no resolution
I have a 03 audi a4 1.8t with ko4 550cc injectors 255 fuel pump. Stage 3 tune Here's my problem
In park car gos AFR 10.9 or Richard
I put in Drive it gos to 14.5 or 15.5
Par throttle Ghost lean
New map sensor no change new o2 sensor no change
Please HELP 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
In South Africa seems the most common mk1 swap is a 2.0 8v or the abf swap. Lots of the guys do that swop. Nice to see and hear other ideas of other swaps.
In Bosnia was Like that few years ago , but then it exploded with this engines with turbo.
But you know nothing runs like a cape town golf with a 8valve in hehe😂
@@alwinhugo5279 lol
I swapped an AEB in my corrado and although I love it, if I could do it over Id go with an 06A block vs 058. At the time I had all new G60
parts so I made it all work on a crappy worn out AEB.
Anywho, great video, appreciate the info.
Btw aeb came out in 97, earliest I know of. My block is stamped 97 production date.
AEB, ADR heads has biger port intake and also have biger camshafts
all 225hp engines and 20 pin pistons has forged internals so the 19 pin piston isnt forged and handle less boost
how do I reset my active shutters and how do I make sure they are closing when the 1.8T is activated
The poor, lonely rabbit...
I do really like my 1.8 Mk 7 golf - EA888
It's been a great engine, but I'm especially hesitant to tune it now, as I recently lost my oil pan to a truck tire on the highway. Now I have a slight, occasional rattle at startup, that I think is a chain tensioner noise... if anyone has experience with that, please enlighten... ~76k miles
Those 1.8t's are fuckin awesome
Do you have an extra head kicking around ???? Can’t find one !!!!😢
I cant remember how many times ive warched this.. but he meant to say 'fruition..'
I have a stroker 1.8t (2008cc). I wanted to drive it and didn't have the time or money at the time to build out the head. It has a EFR 6258 turbo. Is it worth me poking around and finding an aeb head if I'm gonna build one? I'm thinking about buying another head and having it built and ready so I can hopefully swap everything relatively quickly. Do you guys have certain brands you feel make pretty good valvetrain products, or are most of the common brands pretty decent
I know you guys said don’t stress between the AEB or AWP heads. How does the VVT factor into power ? Does it restrict what you can do?
No, when you're shooting for big power it's deleted anyways.
@@COMotorsports VVT in those engines is geared towards improved emissions more than power.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 it can help with spool but again big power it's not used.
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what did you do to the 1.8t block to fit the 16v head?
There's a few things in regards to timing set-up. Nothing physical when it comes to the actual block or cylinder head.
Just got a à4 b5 aeb engine at 167k km think its a good engine to start build 😅
You guys should do a video about buildings aba/16v turbo
Great video!!! Lots of great info. Thank you.
Can a BAM sub assembly work on bjx?
I would like to inquire about purchasing a built 1.8t from you guys. Need a motor for my Mk4 GLI
No problem, email us with your goals and requirements and we can make it happen.
So I have a project car, it’s an 2001 a4 avant, I 2004 1.8t amb swapped it. It’s tuned and has a gt2554r, making around 250 horse. I want to throw a water/meth kit next. I have the 5 speed in it but would the 6 speed from the 2004 a4 Quattro fit? I’ve looked on forums and can’t find a clear response
sure
I have a 2001 VW Passat made in March. It was made in Germany, which is pretty cool. The engine has the AWM code, which is only for 2001. What engine is interchangeable? From the list of engine codes, the only other ones listed for Passat with 170 HP are AWT and AWM. ATW is listed for Passat, but it is only 150 HP. Will the Audi engine with 170 HP work (AMB)? Thanks.
If it's an external water pump engine then any external water pump 1.8t will bolt right up. If it's an internal water pump engine then any internal water pump 1.8t will bolt right in.
@@COMotorsports Awesome. Thank you for letting me know. I can relax a bit.
Thing is, is my DBCable AEB capable of handling some tuning? (not more than k04) Or i need a standalone/DBW swap?
@@ppgg997 yes there are tunning options for AEB. It's just limited.
Thanks guys for all the info you share on your videos. Taking the opportunity to see some of my doubts anwsered. I bought a TT 225 (APX) as a project car, aiming to push it as far as possible while keep it in realiable for its purpuse. Would like to see +750hp crank.
VVT or No VVT
Valve guide angles? Which?
Oversized valves? Which ones? Exhaust? Intake? Both?
How big do I need to go on the turbo for the 750hp? G30-900?
How much of a difference does going 2L makes, other than spooling?
TDI or TFSI crank?
Get on a forum my man, you'll get a lot more conversation out of the people who are there. TH-cam really isn't good for that sadly.
Unless you live in a very remote area you'll be able to go to car meets and stuff with the people you talk to, added bonus
the limit is 300ft/lb of torque on pump gas "99" on any 1.8t from Volkswagen/Audi/Skoda/seat.
the limit of the block is 900hp. will split after a few runs. block can't really handle 700hp for to long.
Would an AWP crankshaft be the same in a manual and automatic transmission?
I need a crankshaft/bottom end, but im not sure if an automatic awp block & crank would work with my manual transmission.
Should be the same block/crank. Although it will likely have a pilot bearing in the crank that you will need to remove.
i’m new to the euro scene and the volkswagen/audi stuff. But I just got a 2002 Audi A4 Avant with 1.8T is this a good 1.8T to build up? need advice
They're all basically the same. Slight differences but if you're building one all mods apply across the board.
Im actually trying to build my 1.8t aeb 150hp i would love to build it to 300hp for fun daily car can you help me out what should I need to change?
You'll need a larger turbo and to do your homework.
hi, i have a question for you guys, i have an audi tt mk1, bam engine, should i buy another bam engine to build during the winter or i could use another block if so if it bolt on?
watched the video,awnsered almsot all my question ty,
Hey guys I've got a 2014 1.8t ea888 gen 3 that I got in a good deal, trying to do some modest mods I've got about 2k to spend what would you recommend?
Tune it and put a short shifter on it.
I have a 2.0ADY WITH 82.5 PISTONS WANT TO SWAP MY 8V HEAD FOR A 20V WILL THE 20V HEAD FIT THAT BLOCK
Don't know, haven't done it. Pistons won't work for sure.
Ok Here i come, ive got a 96 aeb with me3.8.3, no map Sensor only this shitty maf with throttlebody, is There a Budget way to Swap an me7 over of a standalone? To have more Control over the engine? I feel Like the engine runs 50% of the time blind when it comes to Lambda/boostpressure ... Ive Got extrem Timing retards between 2-3k RPM and cant really Figure Out why
Hey man I built mine but I have a few questions, I want to delete my evap and and pcv but I am lost where to hook up the Lines or block what you know
Google, the answers are readily available.
Question?! 2.2 5cyl na turbo build or to build a 1.8t?
2.5 turbo
Spaghetti connecting rods? Hotboi translation? ALL THE BOOST ALL THE TWO STEP. Y KOR BREAK. 🤣
I’m currently doing TDI Caddy things, boring I know. The full TDI swap was basically free (via part out) Plus owning a Caddy has been #1 on my dream car list. So I’m excited haha
I gots one for ya 🎉
I’m tryna get to 300 give or take..
05 AWP 1.8t with cold 🥶 intake,
3in downpipe all way back,
Boost peaks around 21-23 settles at 18-19psi
Traded my 225 TT for this GTI and would love to get past where I was with it.. was told there’s a “stage 1” tune but haven’t pulled the ecu to check label or anything.. my question is what is going to be the quickest way to 275-300.. turbo inlet pipe, intercooler,ko4 and/or equivalent..? Do I need to upgrade the spark and fuel pump? 93 octane.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated 🫡
do every single supporting mod(minus internals ofc) and get a tune spiking at 25psi on a ko4, im just under 300
K04 are a waste on these IMO. You want lager if your goals are 300whp.
@@COMotorsports I agree 100%, I’m basically pushing my ko4 to the max. Go with a gt28rs so you can be “reliably” push 285+
Awesome video !! What would be the 1.8T engine to go if, like in my case, you want to upgrade from a 1.4TSI (CAXA) exchange-wise? Are there parts I can use from my CAXA to build on the 1.8T? Is there a better fit for a 20V compared to a 16V? I know the airco compressor can be re-used. The power I have in mind is just what's achievable with a good reflash of the chip, as it's a road car and I want reliability.
got my 2000 vw passat 1.8t atw hanging out of the car, any budget mods i can do besides the gaskets?
Tune it
Hello COMotorsports, iam planning to buy audi TT 1.8T 132kw quattro manual. What upgrades i will need to reach 400-500 HP?
I just picked up a 2002 Audi A4 Quattro 1.8t and I don’t know what is a good upgraded fuel pump on a budget. So far I have Front mount intercooler , ko4 turbo , has a eBay diverter valve, and stainless 3 inch down pipe with 3 inch straight pipe exhaust all the way back. Also what would be good for my next mods
Don't know if that's a myth but here in the UK the BAM forged crank and pistons is a myth
No its not there forged in UK I've got one just putting forged rods in it .the UK bam is forged from the factory being as I worked for Audi Vw for 15 years trust me
Hey Dave and Clayton
I have put in a k04 from apr to my 1.8 mk4 jetta. I want to make more power out of it (around 325-350hp). Will that turbo hold or am I going to need to look into something different?
A stock k04 even on an engine with the best intake and exhaust won't make more than 300. Mine has a 2.5" intercooler pipe work. Huge fmic them porter exhaust and 3 inch turbo back. And makes 284bhp
Your turbo limited at that power. The turbo just runs outta puff
Buy a different turbo
Try a GT2871r, it will do that easy.
I’m building a big turbo Gen 3 1.8t. I’m stroking it to a 2.0 with ie Tucson rods and pistons with other supporting goodies and making an entire Frankenstein shooting for 500whp/wtq either or. Am I wasting my time?
Thank guys , i love your video. I 'm french , my english not perfect but i learn a lot of the 1.8T. about that , i hve question concerne 1.8t ( BJX engine code ) mount in Polo Mk4 ( 9n3). so do you know if all piston in 1.8T are forged piston. also with stock piston and connecting rods after market, how many horse power safe able to, for all days usage ( street). Have a good one
How about the EA888 1.8T with 192PS? Or does that not count?
Completely different engine.
I’m new to 1.8t’s but would I be able to run 300hp reliably on pump gas?
Depending on turbo and tuning yes. Or last video posted we did just that.
That list is curiously missing the ATC engine code, thats what I had in my TT. Canadian car imported into US 01 TT Quattro 5spd with a k03.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE AEB CYLINDER HEAD WHICH IS 058 ON A AWM BLOCK WHICH IS 06A? PLEASE AND THANK YOU
Of course
Hey guys, I've got a bad wrist pin in my 02 Jetta and I'm going to go ahead and upgrade my rods to IE drop in, the code on the head is AWM but the car has been worked on before I bought it. Is there any way to know for sure what block I have so I don't buy 19mm wrist pin rods if I actually need 20mm wrist pin rods?
With forged rods, how much power can I get from my gt2860rs?
Depends on engine, displacement, cams, fuel and many other things.
What sort off power can I make on a standard 1.8t awt engine or what are the best upgrades to make good power
We made 600whp on a completely stock 1.8t long block. All depends on the setup, turbo size and how reliable you want it to be. Lots of info out there.
Could you guys do a 2.0 8v video? Like this video. Different ways to get more power, difference between parts you can swap out from 1.8t’s, 1.9’s and mix Match parts?
Unlikely, in my nearly 2 decades of doing this I haven't turbo'd one single 2L 8v. So needless to say they're not common, nor do I have any parts around that I could chuck at one. If someone wants to donate a decent manifold sometime I could likely make it happen.
Aba block with aeb head aka 20/20 swap
Aba came with thicker beefer pistons, forge crank, and oil squiters.
Unfortunately I cant provide you a video but I used to have a MK3 Gti 2.0 8v turbo`ed here in Argentina and made around 260 chp on stock internals using a electromotive stand alone in those times (2008) was very exciting back in the day!
I want 100-200 8,5-9sec just methanol with pump gas.. how should i setup for A3 1.8t 150hp
I have an APU 1.8t which is from the Audi a4 b5 fwd which is the non vvt cast internal engine with 20 mm wrist pins if im using a 35-82 sized turbo what's the max hp I can make one that engine reliably
How much boost can the 1.8t amb block handle reliably?
@@notatrickshooter1378 boost is just a number. 20psi on a k03 is a lot different then 20psi on a 67mm.
Hey, i have a AUQ engine in my golf gti, im looking for about 280-300 whp. Im looking at a gt2860rs and some 550cc injectors with needed components. Is there anything you would recommend?
Ey up I have a A3 large Port AJQ and a TT small port Bam which would be the best to build bud 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
How about the oil pumps between the two different types of blocks? Aeb (058) or awp (06a). Do either of the oil pumps fail more often than the other?
I have an '03 AWM 1.8T B5.5 Passat 5 speed wagon with a K03S I need to fix... Damn deer... Now is the time to build it I suppose... This video was encouraging
What’s the difference between a BAM & BFV 1.8T?
It's basically all the same stuff as stated in the video.
"it's lonely"
Tell me about it...
I’ve got a 2006 mk1 cupra r bam
Wots your opinion on this engine please , I’ve got the jabba sport ihi vf22 turbo to go on and the jabba manifold to go with it ,
Wot internal work do you think I need to make it last lol ,
We have a Audi 1.8tfsi burning oil, but thinking of doing some mods, do we change the pistons and rings or just the rings, I'm hearing all kinds of confusing messages on these engine using oil....
i have an amk and aeb for make a frankenstein, wich setup will u guys run?
Big port block with small port intake, crankshaft and rods from amk, pistons from aeb, vvti from amk, etc
Hello i have a seat ibiza 1.8t fr 2008 and i cant seem to find any parts like downpipe or exhaust do i need to buy cupra parts or any other makes or models parts that fit?
I bought 2 AWP last year from yards. I would like you to contact me regarding me having you do these if you are interested
What are good companies or websites to get aftermarket parts for the 1.8t’s
comotorsports.ca
I’m hoping to rebuild my MK1 Audi TT 1.8T lol I die inside everyday I look at it. Hopefully one day it makes 300hp+
my exhaust cam has a tick it's coming from one of bearing caps it's not smooth. Is something to worry about?...thanks.!
I wish yoy guys were located closer because I'd let you guys build up my 1.8t in my a4 quattro
What do you consider good exhaust valves? Supertech stainless good? I'm building a 350whp setup gtx2860r
Inconel
@@COMotorsports ya... I already bought the stainless nitrate supertech..... hope they work
I-Beam rods can be very strong and your test proved it. 1.8 rods never looked like spaghetti to me
How about what manual transmission to swap my 1.8t from automatic I have a 03 vw golf 4 door
2.0 stroker with g35 900 garret 20v heads with NA camshaft and supertech kit
I got an aeb with all bolt ons but man the thing needs a tune and no one tunes them bc of the throttle differences
Has nothing to do with the throttle body, it had to do with it being a narrowband ecu.
@COMotorsports im building my engine right now. I have an 03 a4 1.8t awp engine. I have 19mm drop in ie rods, could i make 500hp with that, or would it hold i should say? Thanks
Yeah I've made that power with stock pistons plenty of times.
@@COMotorsports awesome! Ill be in touch for a tune once shes done. 🙏🏼
Hello guys love you channel. Question I have 2000 Vw Jetta mrk 4 with a 06A block engine code AWD trying to build it for daily driver/street car to push 450 hp to the wheels. Should I run with forged pistons if so which ones work best with IE connecting rods? And what size turbo should I go with let me know thanks guys. Much love from California!
04 Jetta Wagon AWP running Stage 2 Eurodyne software. Looking to flash Stage 3 soon, what reliable power level would you need to drop some rods in? And also rod choice, IE?
I have a BT Audi TTQ with a 3076, if you’d be down to chat about a few things that’d be great!
I have almost 175k miles 17mm wrist pin pistons, if I am already there is it worth upgrading anyways?
I have an aeb with 244000 kms 1.5 bar with stock engine only made an me 7.5swap and remap always treating it bad and it not bends do a long block love your videos