How much does a big turbo 1.8T cost to build?
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- What does it cost to build a big turbo 1.8T? Since we just completed project 18HoopT this is a high level cost breakdown of what it takes to do a big turbo setup in a MK4 1.8T.
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Yes it can be done for less, and for a lot more. The point is to give a high level breakdown to give folks a rough idea. Also keep in mind this includes ZERO engine mods.
yeah we know the rods go to 320 tq..... did you know the older engines are stronger / faster ?... AEB with some forged rods will break 400hp until the block starts to twist around 500hp.. this is all common knowledge
@@JACKOFALLFATES we did over 400whp on this one.
@@COMotorsports impressive! Thats how it should be. The pistons are forged and with Ethanol knock is so minimal until you really start making high RPM with a built head its hard to push it any further
“We Did pretty well with power” you guys took the bar and made sure the next guy skydives for it
@@kdot3698 lol. Records are made to be broken.
No cold start, here; here. Next up on the chopping block, no crackle pop tunes. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
We're just looking for a reliable 325 to 350hp. This build has been very helpful.
Our platform 02, mk4, jetta wth 09a to 02m swap (not finished yet).
Thanks for posting.. Looking forward to the next episode...
Ive been running a 1.8t K04 setup / 02M as a daily for 8 years.
It’s plenty to have fun , lots of torque.
Super reliable and has OEM drivability.
Could you tell me more about your setup please? I’ve got a 2000 b5 1.8t. It is pristine, but I’d like a tad more power
@@ridiculousness7477 how much more power are you wanting?
my a3 1.8t 8k 500hp
Yo. Setup now?
@@ridiculousness7477 the B5 1.8t are cursed.... Don't do it
Another great video guys! Would definitely tune in for a live record attempt on the 1.8 hooptie.
Yes! My weekend is complete.
If you do a live stream, please do it at night in eastern standard time so I can set up a chair in my garage, crack a beer and watch you guys thrash on this car. Love the content
Thanks guys, let see 464+ hp! Looks like KO3 for a while longer 😑. No pressure on the live stream. You guys just have fun doing your thing.
I’m hearing a stage two 7.5 R cold start at 06.30 every morning. I’m sure my neighbours love it 🤣😂. Keep doing what you’re doing guys. Love the content. 👍🇬🇧
Thanks ❤️
hell yeah to the livestream idea! and 1.8t can be monsterous for shure, a guy about 50km from me has a Polo 6n1 with 1,8t Swap and 880hp. is ludacrisly fast
I liked this video immediately because of the opening clip! 🤣
New subscriber!!! Loving the content. Thanks guys.
That ka for tagging along. 👍
Yes do it do the live stream. Just give us a heads up when it's happening
ty for making a good example of what it really takes to do it right
I have decided to go with a f23 on a conservative tune with a stock engine
Best of luck on your project
Yeah a live stream would be nice :)
Yes do the live stream it’s gonna be awesome.
You guys are the best! No cold start videos and this gem had me laughing so hard: "Can you do it for cheaper? Sure, if you wanna put strictly eBay stuff on there..." hard cut to Garbage..... LMAO
Keep it up guys love the videos
Much appreciated. 👍
Hey guys, love the CO content. Slight suggestion I learned from a public speaking course about online presentations. Use a mobile whiteboard and write your talking points behind the camera so the presenter can see it. Just trying to help out the great technical knowledge and content for viewers and you!
Please please please do this for a 2.0t also love the content an you guys are so underrated you guys will blow up soon much love from Spokane Washington
Appreciate the love.
Thanks for another good video guys. Vr6t next once you put a rod threw the block of this one.
I've noticed all the cheap or struggling people that used to drive hondas have morphed into VW/Audi world. It costs money to make driveable buttoned-up power. Thanks for giving a realty check
Love the content👍 always awesome to see people that can build Volkswagens correctly not just straight piped 1.8s with 290k miles lol. Would love to see more 2.5l content! Great reliable motor yet can push out good power, building one myself just got a 6speed for it. If I were to send an ecu for you guys to tune would that be possible?
More coming for sure. And yes, reach out to us through email.
I've spent around $35k-$40k on my 800hp 2.1 stroker build. This also includes things like bigger brakes, susupension, transmission swap, ect... 🏎💨
Yep makes sense
Sitting about 20k on my GTI. Stock block, stock crank, stock head with Stainless ex. Valves. Stock o2j trans. Everything else is built and has been handling daily driving at 40lbs for a while now. Do you think the stroker setup is with it?
@@xaviercrowley7517 If you're building a new engine and need to buy pistons, then yes as there's not much of a difference in cost at that point (maybe a couple hundred bucks) so it makes sense. But changing it will just come down to what you want. It helps with low end power, and more displacement will help spool a big turbo easier. But for the average setup it's not needed really. The one exception to that I guess is if it's a heavy chassis like an Audi A4 or Avant or something then it needs all the help it can get.
U have the dream car
You guys are so godt damn entertaining to watch, gosh you guya have to build an audience.
Appreciate the comment, we're trying.
We need weekly or daily uploads!!! On any and all work!!!!!! Love the vids hate the gaps😂😂😂
We do our best to do a video a week but are just getting back into the groove after the holiday break. Appreciate you following along, we're trying. Just remember YT isn't our job, it's just something we're doing on the side to share. 🙂
live stream would be sick
I really like this channel, only the third video I've seen but I'll binge this week. I really like the clear explanations and details you went over. Thanks for that.
Totally agree, cold starts are stupid. Revving in place is stupid. Don't get me started on 2 steps and crackles. The only worthwhile sound videos are fly by or in car footage.
Appreciate and enjoy the content. 🙂
Sunday video, let’s gooo
How about video on the mk5 2.0t fsi pros and cons as far as before tuning it.
Cold start cold start cold start 🤣🤣🤣 jk! Love the channel and content how it is 👍🏻 keep up the great work!
2.0 with large cam sounds good on cold start 😉
stop it.
Love the videos vw/audi 1.8t’s are the shit! you guys should do an Audi TT in the future as I have one and can say there is not enough good content out there and they are relatively cheap
The chassis is irrelevant as the engines are mostly the same. However we have a great video of an Audi TT making some jam on our channel. It's coming back once it's out of storage to shoot for more.
Cold starts sound so good my turbo starts to go and it sounds like a jet and it's really loud and crisp
So in my mk4 clutch and trans both worked fine then I ended up dropping a valve. Got a new motor in it and got it running again. Went to go and drive it out it in gear release the clutch and car does not stall or move and I tried every gear. Took off the clutch put a brand new throw out bearing in put it all back together and still nothing. So I’m gonna assume that it needs a clutch which was my first guess but could there be any other possibilities like tranny or maybe even the clutch lever in the transmission or maybe even shift linkages. If you have any ideas it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance
As a member of MK4 groups, i've been wondering the same damn thing about cold starts
this wasn't specific to MK4... this is just specific to the "fad" in general.
I'm in for you taking it out for a rip there bud.
A Friday night live stream would be cool
Damm budget hoop d is still exspensive!! Hence i just bought an all stock audi s4 2.7t with 145k miles for $2500!!! Shop smart boys!!! Knowledge is power!!
Yep good power generally doesn't come cheap.
That truth about cold starts got me😂 engines are honestly worst for that 15 seconds after first start, no throttle response, bucking, stinks of fuel, high idle rpm😂😂
I already had the 5758 precision turbo i bought injectors timing kit supporting mods for about 4300
What is the turbo that was used on the 1.8hoopt? Seems Like it will hold power ?
I want more in depth " what it takes to track a mk1" and more technical thangs, not cold start....also thanks to you two im about to have a fully built 16vt in my mk1 for the local tracks!
Glad we can help. We'll have more on the MK1 this year. We only got to the track with it once all last year hence the lack of content on it.
@@COMotorsports you should document the 16vt rebuild with the 1.8t bottom end for those who want options that arnt 1.8t or vrt! my engines off the the machine shop next week.....with a full ferrea built head could i set my rev limit to 9k? last time I went to 8000 with autotech springs and retainers and I went much further then that this time. every time i see the berg kit on your mk1 I get a tad jealous
@@MrProject55 Yeah that's Claytons MK1, my MK1's are home being neglected. lol If you're not running solid lifters I'd say 9k is pushing it. I typically set the hard cut around 8800 on mine, trying to shift just before that. Solid lifters I've reved to 9500.
@@COMotorsports 8500 it is, content like this is great. This passion can be expensive and the saying is " cheap, fast or reliable. pick 2" got a $2700 quote for the machine shop after spending 5k+ on parts. things add up quickly! also would love to see you guys do this same treatment to a VR/8v/abf and see which is the most stout stock for stock, always heard rumors of 12vs are 5-600 and obd1 abas were 450ish from back in the vortex days.
@@MrProject55 I suspect a lot more power on a stock VR with good fuel.
That price tag killed some dreams lol
Truth hurts unfortunately
Some people ask for cold start videos from tuners so we can see how well they can actually tune a car
Lol Yes that's a valid point if those were the type of posts I was referring too.
@@COMotorsports I'm just saying 🤷
cold start lol hahaha, i think that's the most funny thing that i heard in last 98765 car videos :D
Glad someone else can appreciate my pain. :)
I'd like to see an mk7 1.8 build! I know where my flash tunes stand and parts ect but I'm stuck with the shit 5 speed!
you could buy a used 6speed for $1000
What size turbo are you using on the 1.8 hooopT?
Did you guys retain the N75 for boost control? Considering the ECU Master black for engine management but want some information about eliminating part throttle boost surging. My last 1.8t build with GT28RS had real annoying part throttle surging with both a manual and electric boost controller bypassing the N75 valve.
Can be used with an n75 or standard boost solenoid.
For us broke dads. We are going with a billet xspower k04-015xlb , an 034 cast manifold, 3” maf housing, and a 630cc file. All for 2 gs.
350whp on E85 is easy on a log manifold with a 62mm CHRA K04, FMIC and some injectors.... maybe introduce some ring gap.
It's not even worth it to go change the manifold because of all the "1 off tax" aka the guy makes them by hand.... you get more generic usable parts when you stay in the K frame range especially when you only made like 300hp!!!
I’d like to see a budget build with good parts mixed with ebay like let’s say ebay intercooler 80$ vs 300$ knockoff blowoff valve and then something good like a turbo and see if the ebay parts can hold up to real parts all while trying to get a car faster
but dang that’s expensive I’d probably cheap out on the intercooler and try to make my own manifolds I’m looking to get a 03 gti 1.8t next week
Most of it's junk, so although can work, it will generally fail prematurely or provide subpar results comparably. We've used "ebay" in many cases... typically it always ends up the same... buying twice. We try to build good reliable street cars, or track cars which are getting heavily abused. So using parts that are failure prone just doesn't work in those instances, or are not worth the risk/investment.
@CO Motorsports hello guys I’m going big turbo on my mk4 gti and I have a question, so the turbo I purchased only has an oil feed and oil drain nothing with coolant, so what do I do about the coolant drain and feed that used to be connected to the old k03? Please help!
Plug em, loop em. What ever you like.
damn i cant tell if i should do ie rods with wanting three hundred to the wheel
I would be down to watch a live stream! Could the next project be turbo charging a BDF VR6 in the same manner? Budget turbo VR (not garbage).
A VR is on the list for sure, just not sure if it will be next.
Was thinking this as well. Hell, why not a 12v VR6? Would be pretty easy to find one of those in a MK4 chassis.
@@bumblebvr6 the thing is it's not that easy of a find around here. We're gonna try though.
What turbo pulsar? I love mine, gtx3076 gen 2. Also my tubular manifold was 900 used. ATP turbo mk4 charge pipe kit 500, boost line rods 759, weisco pistons 499, detchwork pump 249, cat cams 675, supertech valve train 899. Fluid dampe 450, mabotech mk7 bi cooler 249, maestro 800, custom tune 500, ie manual tensioner kit 299, king bearings 125 for main, 51 for rod, arp head studs kit 299. I’m sure I’m forgot something but it expensive, like you said got to pay to play
Well fuck forgot turbo concepts intake manifold, 599, bosch 1000cc injectors 499 I think.
Still need clutch and Straight cut synchromesh gear set, clutch is 1200-ish and gear said is 2500. Then you gotta think of the machine work for the motor to get the bored out 82 mm I can’t remember how much that was. Gets expensive quickly
100% you are, and 100% it does. 😀
Cold start ,never understand that.
Yeah live stream and start it with a cold start.
What is the HP limit on a Stock 1.8T with stock fueling and Injectors... using whatever turbo make sense for that?
Basically a stage 2 tune maxes out injectors.
I would like to kno the tuning cost as well. Did you re use the stock flywheel?
Stock flywheel world never hold. Tuning cost depends on setup, how well it's put together. It all comes down to time, the less time messing with issues the cheaper it is.
In about 25k including dog box. Curious about the ecu masters plug n play your using…. going in now 2001 Audi TT. 2.0l stroker block built by FFE, AEB w/ferrea valve train Crower cams built FFE, PTE 6062, 1700ids running straight e-85. Goal is 650+whp with AC all accessories. We are planning on eurodyne but it concerns me since you can’t have two maps for reg fuel abs fine tuning for AC idle. Thoughts?
It's a great option, especially for what you're doing.
@@COMotorsports thank you for the reply do you guys sell them on your site? I’m really going to look into this
@@faucody in the description. 👍 Any questions just send us an email through our website.
I wanna see a race between another car around the same power range. You guys think that will happen?
No, it's not leaving the dyno until it's broke.
Would you be able to do a video comparing BorgWarner and Garrett turbos?
Comparing how?
@@COMotorsports durability, power limits, spool times. My OEM BorgWarner K03 lasted almost 130,000 miles on daily driving.
@@cmlsgarage All that is is journal bearing vs ball bearing... thats the only reason a garrett lasts longer. Borg warner makes them, too. Just not a K Frame.
You already goin g around 10 plus at the end 15. 20 whith labor
Is it possible to make this power in stock ecu??
I mean the stock ecu is capable of?
Yes, we've done it plenty of times on this channel. It's just more time consuming in most cases.
I subscribed just because of the intro...lol...
Thanks for joining in.
@@COMotorsports no thank you for all the knowledge I’ve been asking this question after buying my B5 A4 Avant…It’s not this 1.8 however I can learn and figure out how to apply it to my application…
i was wondering if you could cold start it
Thumbs down. lol
Wouldn’t it be recommended to stay DV compared to a BOV even when doing a big turbo build?
No
You guys make me feel spoiled. I got an A4 for 1500, came with 2 blocks, 3 heads and boxes of other parts. Has fmic, K04, 225 injectors, tuned... Alot of supporting mods. When someone gets bored/pissed, kept blowing head gaskets so dropped in whole motors instead of tearing down the old ones and setting the car up for his foot thus the spare blocks and such, take advantage of the opportunity if you can. Just got some IE rods ordered to put one of the blocks together and fell into a gt28 from a Nissan buddy. BT can be done cheap given the perfect storm of events. Still need a few more things but shop life does have it's advantages.
I calculate 50.00 per horse all in regardless for most modern cars, double that for fancy cars
For the first bit yes. It gets exponentially more once you get up there.
@@COMotorsports true. Once you look at the price of labor, tuning, etc......the hooptie is at least 10-15k all in.
@@hoost3056 we did a video specifically breaking the cost of just the parts. Although this setup seems easy and cheap because it's in a clapped out car the good parts and labor add up real quick.
You talking about at least 12gs all together in the year 22. 23
would you guys ever work on a 1.4t? I had to get one due to budget issues and I wanna know if it's able to be made faster, I've got an intake and exhaust but thinking about a downpipe and a tune.
Tuning it will be the best bang for the dollar you'll ever do to it. After that buy a different engine if you want more power.
@@COMotorsports thanks for replying! this is just a daily I just want more pep haha I'm thinking either a 1.8 or a vr6 as my next car, which would you rather have?
Neither, MK7 2.0T of some variation. Endless options for mods, and easy power.
Search stephen motorsport from malta, they got one mad fast
@@ixxapu oh damn I'll be sure to check that out thanks!
Now Don’t forget the 10$ shifter bushing kit 😅
is there any major difference between this 1.8t and an audi 225 1.8t besides the ko4?
That one is a little stronger out of the box.
Most 1.8T variants after 200+ HP have k04, 20mm pistons, wide channels. 420nm is Max safe line when it comes to stock engine.
@@Faggi0tto we went a lot further than that. Lol
20mm wrist pins
For a motorsports company you shouldnt hate on cold starts we do what we want and you shouldnt judge
You're literally conductivity yourself in the same sentence. Lol
I’m wondering if the Eurodyne Meastro setup I have would work for this? I think there’s a 870cc file that then can be customized. Do you have any knowledge or experience with this for the AEB file?
Yes, ran Maestro on big turbo 1.8t AEB for years. It works, just not nearly as good as newer 1.8t ECUs, however for the AEB there isn't a lot of options so it is what it is.
@@COMotorsports that’s very true. Wasn’t sure if I should try something else or not. If I can make it work for now then awesome.
@@dustysteele5408 Edited my post above to specifically say big turbo 1.8t "AEB's". The issue is, there really isn't much else you can try aside from going standalone... which again there really isn't any PNP adapter harnesses to make that a simple option either. You're just working with a very basic ECU in those.
@@COMotorsports so what would you do in my shoes? Or what was your setup? Just run the Maestro?
@@dustysteele5408 all depends what you're doing with it and your goals. Maestro is very limiting on AEB.
Are you by chance running a cat on these 1.8t that you always do …any benefits of deleting it or better to keep it ??
Thanks guys keep it up 👍 💯
More than likely no Cat
Not on most of them. If you have a high quality cat there will be little difference.
@@COMotorsports thanks guys, I do it’s gonna be just for the street so I wanna keep the cat …👍😎
I can’t stand coldstart videos either haha.
Next video, how much can we make on a stock 2.7t 🤷♂️🤔
Ain't nobody want to work on those. lol
Wait you guys don’t hold a to 5K rpms rev on cold start? 👁👄👁
I think the question here is why would anyone not want to hear the cold start of a turbo car?
The question is why would anyone want to hear that?
All this money, for stock Engine? Breaking barrier of 400nm and you're also breaking the engine for sure :D At least give it forged pistons. 1.8t are fun flexible engines, and you can throw any ammount of money at them. For 300KM+ I would go with hybrid K04-064, it has nice spool from low RPM or TD04. 620CC injectors. Fuel pump same, or DW65. Flywheel, VR6 in kevlar.
And what bothers me, are BOV's, why touch them if engine is desinged to run on DV.
It made 600whp. I think it did alright for stock engine. 😉
@@COMotorsports Would be very nice to take a look at the peak point, the graph. Because that's some real numbers.
@@Faggi0tto it's all documented. The highlights will be in it next video.
@@Faggi0tto Or you can skip to the end of our live stream video. All the runs in that live stream are over 500whp.
Are you on instagram? What would the labour cost
Labor varies by your location, what parts are being installed, quality of parts being installed, state of vehicle...the list is long and each project is different.
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Take it up 1/4 mile strip.
It's dead of winter here, and it will l likely be dead before summer.
did it ever explode? 😂
Lol I just made a cold start video 🤦🏾😂😂😂
So your telling me 10k in beaver bucks and not even 1 bolt on the motor is touched lol wow
It's what it costs.
Cold starts are the equivalent to waking up with a woman without makeup on. We all know she looks good when she's all dolled up and wearing her best Sunday getup. We want to see her at her worst to determine whether or not we want to be stuck with her for the rest of our lives.
I'm joking, because I seriously doubt the majority of people asking to hear cold starts are this logical...
Nobody wants to hear an engine start at -30 degrees out here in canada😂
yet people do for some reason.
Beaver Bucks lol
Dave I have the formula for 1m+ subscribers for you. You only need to look at Scotty Kilmers channel. Tailor yourself after him and the followers will flock to you. You are already halfway there with some small rants.
I think we need some videos of just Dave telling stories or ranting about the things he has seen. Rant about the vw vortex days lol.
I will make sure I share with all my friends.
Lol oh the ranting I could do. I will check out that channel...never heard of him. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the comments. 👍
LOL @ the price.
Why Americans insist on standalone for big turbo 1.8ts is beyond me... The standard me7.5 is more than capible
It's called flexibility.
@@COMotorsports granted, things like meastro and ignitron give benifets but for what your doing there you don't need stand alone.
I know You know more than me In regards to tuning them.
I just don't understand why it's Mainly Americans that ditch the me7.5 ecu which is completely capible of running even a gt35.
@@matk22 if you see on our channel 95% of the build use stock ECUs. This just made it easier and much quicker since we had an ECU here for a completely different project. Again where the flexibility comes in.
@@COMotorsports again appreciate that but you was running numbers and stating you need a Standalone unless I miss understood
Yea i follow your channel. And seen what you do and its pretty Cool. I'm surprised this engine has held up.. But goes To show a good tuner can keep timing and fueling in check to keep Numbers low to prevent bending cheese rods.
@@matk22 nope didn't state standalone was required. Made this power plenty of times on stock ECU....this was just easier as mentioned. I'm not being paid for the hours tuning this car, so wasting time reflahsing the stock ecu over and over again doesn't make sense. This was about getting the job done as quickly and as cost effectively as possible. Since we had an ECU kicking around it made the most sense.
🤣🤣🤣
Raffle the car out
Lol, everyone loses in that case.
@@COMotorsports crazy 👀 got jokes
Funny, never answers the question.
You clearly didn't watch the video.
🤣 @coldstart videos
Nevaaahh
@@COMotorsports yea cold start just makes the car sounds awful and broken