Best VW/Audi Engine To Modify.
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- What is the best VW/Audi Engine to Modify? Is it the infamous VR6, 1.8T, or maybe it's the newer Gen3 2.0T? Obviously this is going to be opinion based, but we modify a lot of these engines and get to see the in's and outs of each. So take the info for what it's worth.
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Which one do you think is the best?
20V 1.8T ;-)
What transmission 😅😅😅
Well since most of them are garbage we're not working with much. lol
2.5L
07K 2.5L
Id love to see some 2.5L builds!
They're coming.
I want to build my mk6 wagon
Months later and i still haven’t seen the 2.5 builds… Let me pull up with my mk5 rabbit, and I’ll throw some money down for a exhaust, intake, tune, etc…..I’ll leave it in your hands for a week to see what you can do. And it’ll give ya a 2.5 build…
The 07k is so cheap to get a hold of. And it's head is light years better than any VR, so I'm curious if it's more cost effective.
I'm really curious if it's head flows as well as the DAZA.
Also, it (should?) be cheaper to build?
IDK if they sell enough of them to compete with cost to build 1.8T or even VR.
07k the world. I've had my boosted 2.5l longer than any other VAG car for a reason. It's hands down my favorite. There have been many fast cars inbetween, but that 5cyl is special.
I've been considering a 2.5 swap for a future project. I know they can be turbo'd but are they more limited for big power than 1.8T / VR6?
@@Kintoshi892 When it comes to big power and built block, the stock head flows better than both 1.8t and vr6 heads. Early 07k engines came with a forged crank, later engines replaced it with a cast crank. It's a solid base for a build.
@@moshuapit3722 thanks!
I picked up a MK1 225 TT my wife called her dream car... I used to hate it because I didn't understand it. I called it my nightmare because a 20 year Audi needs lots of attn... Now after watching this channel I am learning how to spend my money and enjoy my wife's dream car since she stole my wrx... So i'm looking forward to the 1.8t build and learning why they never lose. 🤔
Lots of good 1.8T content on here to get you motivated.
As someone in Germany who primarily builds 1,8ts - here are some major tipps:
-1,8ts always have some kind of pressure leak after 20years. Get one of those pressure testers, and get the PCV system and the turbo side tight.
-replace the Blow off valve with an OEM option, because with the forge ones you will go into limp mode guaranteed (because of the MAF sensor). Also check the N75 valve.
-if you want to go for power (>280hp, >380Nm), the 225hp engine only needs one thing: connecting rods. The pistons, the crankshaft etc etc all are able to withstand about 550-600hp if the compression ratio is optimized.
Yeah and change the oil every 8-9k miles and you’re good to go forever basically
@@gabrielvanya8245 Oem plastic dV? How do those do on a bigger turbo such as a 28rs with over 20psi of boost?
oem 710s barely function on a standart 1.8t lmao and vw/audi knew about that from the start when they issued an early tsb bc new buyers started having problems with the failing valves. they flipped the valve around so boost would enter into the side of the diaphragm helping it to stay closed during operation
@@fabium3410 Yep :-). The Keyser valves were a bit better but I’ve always had luck with my Forge DV. Just keep it maintained.
My favorite to mod is 3.0 supercharged. My favorite to work on is 1.8t all day every day. Can’t wait for the 1.8t engine build video.
I have a 2013 A6 and I must admit it's a fun car! Love my 1.8t!
2.5 07k I personally don't have a VW but I have a Porsche 944 and 924s. The 07k are becoming a popular swap in them and that's what I'm planning on building my car around.
I'm not looking for crazy hp, I think 300whp would be pretty fun in my light weight 924s rallycross car.
1.8 t20 valve in the Mark 4 platform was my favorite because it was so unassuming from factory and so dominant with just a little bit of work you could do yourself. I finally got one and it's so amazing that it's dead reliable and I love the sound 🤠
Amazing reliability so far w mine, had it for 2.5yrs. watch the coolant leaks though! Mines almost at 180k miles 🤣
@@jeremylucss4019 155K A4 B6 1.8T
@@jeremylucss4019 350 for radiator and you'll be good!😊
@@jeremylucss4019 nice! I'm at 152,000, brand new clutch brakes ignition system alternator and drive belts strut springs and all the suspension the turbo wastegate is broken I believe and so I'm about to put a KO3S and an exhaust on
Stumbled across your page, great content. I really enjoyed the layman’s technical descriptions. Easy to follow across manufacturers platforms when you describe it that way. Good job gents.
Appreciate the comments. Stick around for more.
2.5 is a slow economy engine by design. However I love the daam thing it sounds amazing and the 2.5 community really has gone out of their way to provide much love to the aftermarket and turbo mods you can do to it.
Funny enough the 07k was based on the IMSA GTO audi Five zylinders claimed by cheif engineer at audi. He wanted that sound back. The VW variant is obviously detuned for economic reasons BUT VW went to far on sand bagging its performance. VW purposely Lowered its hp so it wont hurt TSI GTI sales.
My 1.8t blew up on my gli this past weekend and can’t decide what to put in it , video came in so clutch 🙏🏽
Still a sucker for a TDI but a 500awhp mk7 golf/a3/s3 with basic bolt ons is definitely a great no brainer choice. Simple to the point video while still covering all the bases, loved it!
Appreciate the feedback. 👍
Tdi best vw
@@keeganpock864 negative
1.9 pd for the win. 👌👌👌
I prefer VE injection but PD motors are very solid
you guys are great, blessed thee for sharing such info. hopefully in the future you guys may share more on the bottom end, like example for the crank on reducing bending or even crankwalk, overlooked stuffs like the harmonic dampers & even lubrication cooling..
like the gurdle stuff, cheers
Appreciate the comments. Thanks.
Great video guys! Following you for a couple years now. I have a mk5 Gti gen 4 haldex swapped with a CDL engine. Beneath the bonnet its actually a MK6R lol. Currently pushing 350hp but thinking about upgrading everytime I see a vid of you. Keep going guys 💪🏼
Appreciate the comments, AWD swap... definitely time for more power. Another 100whp and it will be perfect. :)
I’m currently working on a 1.8 in a 225. I’m gathering all parts and prepping it. FMIC, 3” downpipe, all new forge hoses and DV. Ramair intake, 2.0 conversion power packs. Saving for the forge internals and larger turbo then tune.
Well I swapped a 2.0 gen3 for a 2.5 DNWA. So 5 cilinders definitely my favorite! Although I am building it for 7-800hp. Its not a fun engine to build but the sound makes it all worth it!
that's sick
I have the exact same lathe! Best engine in VAG is the 5 cylindres, VR6 and any TDI.
5 cylinder proven in rally and tarmac back in the 80's! Sold my 1994 UrS4 this summer. Best car I ever owned!
Been rocking the 4.0t on a 2018 s7 for about a year now. It's my first Audi engine I've owned and I'm pretty happy with it. Within the first two weeks of ownership I got a stage 1 tune by apr. Hoping to eventually go higher. Never watched this channel before but I was definitely curious by the title :]
Thanks for stopping in. We make power here, if you're interested stick around.
You were kind on the FSI engine. So far it has been a whole lot of expense, work and frustration for very little HP gain. I wise man once told me that before I got started though LOL.
Learn from others expenses. lol
I share your pain. I bought a mk5 GTI with over 60k in go fast part receipts and a snapped timing belt , I did a quick head rebuild and engine refresh only to have to pull it back apart 4k later due to oil pressure and oil consumption issues. I look at the money I have spent and the money it will take to make it the track car I want it to be and I realize I should have just bought a mk7 R.
Awesome video guys. Im a VW/Audi guy through and through. Ive built I dont even dont know how many turbo cars over last7 years i lost count. And My favourite motor is...... All of them. Ive built so many different iterations and combos of different cykinder head on different block and custom TDI cranks ground to fit ABF16v blocks with bmw 328I pistons. 1.816v and 2.016V heads on a variety of blocks. A super cheap killer combo is a ADY or 2E longblock woth 16v head all stock parts handles 500hp easy day in day out. Ive done low power 12v vr6 turbos to 1000hp vr6 turbos and fulle cemented 1300hp R36 drag motors. There really is such an amazing variety of choices. Im currently building a destroked R32 down to 3000cc 8000rpm revving 1200hp combo motor for myself. One thing I have notice through all of these builds for customers is that is has never been about what makes sense. It has always been about passion for a particular motor.
I'm German. I like your efficient talking. Straight to the point.
Thinking about my old 8j mk 2 TT 3.2 which I truly love.
Still waiting to come to life. Turbo off course. 500hp would be more than efficient.
I love the sound. I love the quattro.
Time to get it moving.
2.5T I believe can make crazy power when tested. I'm building a B4 Passat wagon 2.5T in Canada love to see tf make 400 to 475 whp. Will be reaching out to you guys for tuning & parts. Love the channel keep it up gentleman !
Can you document this? I own a 2007 2.5L Jetta Automatic and would love to build this Jetta community up for those with a 2.5
I enjoyed the information provided in this video. I found it informative. VR6 has a sound unlike the 4cyl but I like them all.
Glad you enjoyed it!
AFP 12 valve VR is my favorite, on my second one and its so perfect, other than gas mileage
Love every video you guys make no matter how mundane. On the side note 1.8T FOR LIFE. 🙂
XOX
I would love them to build my 2016 audi a6 3.0t premium plus. This channel is amazing and so informative. Keep up the great work
Appreciate the comments. 👍
Would love to see more 2.5 content. I have a mk5 rabbit and am looking for some more inspiration regarding power mods.
Awesome vid guys! Gonna have to pick up some merch. My favorite personally has to be 1.8t but I'd love to see some 2.5 content
Appreciate the comments. 👍
this is a great video. I agree completely with the choices.
Great video tho you guys are killing it!!!
Personally own a 19 GLI (Gen 3 2.0T) that is FBO IS38. I'm pretty happy with it assuming I don't have any issues with crank walk lol.
I'm a VW noob so seeing some turbo VR stuff would be pretty cool.
Best VW engine ever and the best to modify (diesel) is the TDi PD (last 1.9TDi to be exact).
The older 1.9 TDi ones, while capable of doing a lot of km/miles, weren't nearly, without a doubt, as good as the last one (injector pump).
You can count by the fingers of one hand the engines VW made that were really that good.
Agreed but the poster seems to think all that is important is peak power on his fav engines. As if the engine swap world doesn't exists. I don't think he realises what he titled this vid 🤣bcTDIs are a perfect mix of performance, fuel economy and torque in a truck swap!
I love the 1.8T. Bank for your buck but I would like to see 2.5L content. Thank you for a good video.
Best dyno compilation I have ever seen 🤙
Im still partial to the old NA or SC 2.0's. Fully built ABA 8v 2.2 liter stroker, or w/ a 16/20 valve head swap or 9A same build. KR, PL 1.8 16v bored over. Either high compression w ITB's or super charged. Instant torque, in light cars, mk1, mk2, mk3, puts the smile on my face, more than heavy 600hp turbo cars.
2.5 07k swap stuff would be fun. trans options and whats needed for boost. Gen 2 ea888 is something I'm looking into. B8/8.5 A4 have been catching my eye.
If you go Gen 2 TFSI audi EA888, make sure you get one with a CPMA or CPMB engine code. 2014-2016.
Great video guys! I have a mk6 gti Would I need to upgrade any parts apart from opening up the exhaust and intake and a rmap to be making 400-450hp? Cheers
I got a 2.0 Volkswagen engine with a 185000 miles on it and it's cast iron but it's starting to go now little things in 2001 cabrio 3,5 guys are great video
I’ve owned majority of the herein listed power plants. To this day, my 1.8t 20v is my favorite. May not sound as good as the VR, but an absolute blast
But have you owned/modify a Gen3 2.0T yet?
Planning on getting a 2.5 next and hopefully hitting you guys up for advice
Thanks MD.Dave! Respect.
As an owner of a mk7 R I can’t recommend it more highly. Perfect daily for me with lots of creature comforts
I have an mk7 gti, perfect for a daily and fun to drive
Any issues? Thinking about grabbing one
I love my 08 MkV GTI.
Stage 2+ 110k miles needs some tlc but she's been good for the last 3years.
I plan on getting an Alltrack in the near future for the Family. But wanna sell the MKV and get a MK3 vr6 also.
Just found your channel. Enjoying your content. I’m a TDI owner right now. My daily and I’ll drive it for quite some miles to come. Owned two 1.8T but down the road maybe looking at mk7.5 R. Kinda wish I got a new one in 2019 but timing wasn’t right. Had an opportunity to get great deal on a 180 TT but I realized I’d like something newer. Had my fair share of early 2000s VW. Looking fwd to newer stuff. Curious on what mk9 will look like since they somewhat dropped the ball on mk8 platform.
7r great car. Do it!
First things first, love the channel. My Wife and I have owned roughly 20 cars in the 20 years we've been together (easy to see how often we go thru cars LOL) and half of them have been Mustangs. All V8's, from 2001 GT to 2013 Boss 302 to 16 and 19 5.0's. I retired from my career after only 16 years and sold my 19 5.0 just to get rid of the payment. I bought a 21 Kia Forte GT 1.6T with the intentions of doing bolt ons and that's it. However the car wasn't that fun especially coming from newer 5.0 Mustangs I sold it. Did so much research and landed on my current 2020 GTI DSG. Within 2 weeks it had Stage 1 ECU and TCU tune and currently sitting waiting to be installed is the Trueflex sensor and HPFP so I can run E85. It's actually been one of the funnest cars I've owned and can't wait to run E85 with my new intake and catless DP. 👍
Great cars for sure. The R is where it's at simply due to traction but the GTI has the same power potential. Good luck with your build.
@CO Motorsports definitely only modded and raced 1 FWD car in my life and the struggle was real. I heard the stock axles are pretty strong and I'll be doing nothing but drag racing so we'll see. Thanks
@@theresellinghusband Good luck, and thanks for the comments. 👍
VR6 all the way for me. I had Mk4 GLI 24v VR6 and now a MK5 R32, I love the instant power and torque it delivers, though it's not easy to get more out of them NA, they're pretty much set for a Turbo or Supercharger setup.
I have one also, I daily it. But I met someone two days ago with Audi S3 modified and he was advice to get r32 because the motor is big and you can do more with but expensive
@@cliffb1932 If you can then yes it's an upgrade especially if it's a Mk4 R32. I love my MK5 but more expensive in parts and repairs because of the DSG.
I don't plan to Turbo/Supercharge mine maybe Software and Cams in the future.
For sound, The VR6 and on turbo's they can make great power 2.8 12v to 3.6 24v. The best bang for buck would be the TSI I'm thinking.
Fantastic video guys, for me.. it's a no brainer if you take price per performance you cannot beat the 1.8t 20v with a k04 turbo 👌 best bang for buck in the Audi VW engine by facts 👌
Amazing that mine still pulls 40-50mpg at 60mph, whilst still having almost 300hp on tap! For a couple grand and and 18 year old car, it cannot be beaten.. newer engines are insane but the price gap for performance increase doesn't warrant it for me 🤷
I have one 1.8t with k04s had it remapped just brilliant engine
Okay i do believe theres some fact in this:
Best most fun vw engine-2.5l 5cylinder!!!
Best efficiency/performance/reliability/ease/cost-hands down ea888/1.8 and 2.0. Zero question.
Performance/fun factor is hands down the 5cylinder tho
Power/power/power though hands down 3.0 super
VR6 the World! I drive for sensation sound and the raw analog feel with every notchy shift.
I have golf MK4 with 1.8t k04s turbo S3 injectors remapped on rolling road absolute rocket made a beautiful noise stainless steel Scorpion exhaust ,one of the best cars I've drive
I started writing this before you panned over to the 2.5 which was going to be my choice. I recently drove a 2018 RS3 on a long trip and was really impressed!!! I love the way an I5 sounds so much more than an I4 (I have a Volvo turbo I5). I would really like to see a build starting with a VW I5 block & then seeing what can be done with that. From what I read (IDK how accurate this is..) the VW & Audi blocks are pretty similar or basically the same it's just the upper end of the engine (and turbo obviously) that is so different. I think I was even told the cranks on the VW 2.5 is forged & is just as capable as the Audi crank.
It would be really interesting to see a turbo build of the VW 2.5 where you cover the differences between a stock VW engine & stock Audi engine & what each is capable of.
Another idea would be be similar to the above but working with the VW 3.2 & the Audi 3.2 especially with the prices of the Audi 3.2 vehicles.
Then there are a ton of options if you open the door to Porsche & their engines/parts which I would also love to see!! With the old Cayennes being relatively inexpensive (IDK about engines & parts) we could see some nice 3.2 & 3.6 VR builds. I've driven some of the V8 & V8 turbo's in the older models & was really impressed & IDK if there are any VW where these would fit besides maybe a Toureg & newer Tiguan (which I wouldn't turn my head from).
The Audi supercharged V6 would be interesting as these were used in the B8 S4 & C6 A6, Q5, SQ5, Q7, etc & the price on these is very obtainable now & we get the continuation of this engine as the turbo charged model in the later years of many of the above models. These tune nicely & are pretty robust from stock (I've been told) & I think Porsche has used the block as well in their SUV's even if slightly debored at times. I also found a lot of non-VAG parts that can work with many of these models everything from pulleys, intercooler upgrades to suspension & brakes - many available from GM vehicles (I found that good used parts available for about 1/5 the price of new aftermarket parts for VAG vehicles - so some of the builds could be very economical).
I listed the above in order of what I'd like to see in a project car down to the bottom where I think these would make affordable daily drivers that are very tuneable in stock form but can also produce some very respectable numbers with a more thorough build. I'm guessing you don't do much supercharge builds other than the G60 but for a
I currently have a 99.5 12v VR6 GTI (5sp) which I don't know what I want to do with as it seems like a nice project car but I really am not a fan of FWD & would really like to find the 6sp manual from the 25th anniversary edition.
The 2.5 came into existence after VW Group acquired Lamborghini. 2.5 engines are loosely based on 1/2 of Lamborghini's V10.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 thats fanboy myth...... Audi head engine engineer claims the 07k is based on the old IMSA GTO 5 cylinder race car. He wanted that sound back in the brand. The IMSA and Trans Am race cars was his first project from Audi after leaving BMW due to tension with engine master Pual Rosche(RIP). But their is a lot similarities with audi v10, Lamborghini, and 07k engines , which is common to keep cost low in R/D.
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo Must be a slow day since you decided to reply to this 6 months later....🤣🤣🤣
Im new to the VW Audi scene so i have only experienced 3 platforms i had a 2011 Jetta Sportwagen with the 2.5 5 speed all stock very fuel efficent engine and presently own a 2015 vw golf sportwagen with the 1.8T that i have modified a little hi flow turbo intake elbow and a turbo muffler delete pipercross hiflow air filter a tune and cat back exhaust and we also have a 2011 vw tiguan with the 2.0T all stock. The golf and tiguan are my first turbo cars ever!!
Good variety.
2.0L 16V turbo or 1.8 supercharged G60 now this dates back 10-15 years ago for me now we have much more displacement options and combinations.
I daily a late B5 A4 1.8t ready for a big turbo but only has a K04 with an unopened engine (for now) and methanol. Never been on a dyno but going by weight (CAT scale says 3280 with me in it) I just got it to hit 280hp at the wheels with 22-24psi... I would like to it on a dyno just to see how accurate that is but I know I've surprised a few people driving way nicer cars... The AMG Mercedes I was surprised I kept up with.
Love my 1.8t running on ignitron 👍 but I do envy the newer gen stuff and how easily they can make power
Yep, being in the game for a long time it's crazy to see.
Cool video. I'm a BIG 1.8t guy myself. I haven't done any mods to my EA888 but both are great platforms! Never realized how much more VR6 parts are. I take it you guys are based out of Colorado?
East Coast Canada
Man I wish you guys were in the states I have a mk6.5 GLI unitronic stage 2 and just got the cts boss turbo kit would love to get it tuned by you guys and see what it makes for power
At least he mentioned the 2.5's. But the B9 3.0T's, 2.9TT, and the 4.0's are monstrous. Still cant forget the easy and reliable 500 wheel from the B8 Supercharged 3.0T. Cheap to get into them too.
Didn't forget about them. 3.0T is a beast for sure have modified TONS of them. However 500whp... not the norm that's for sure.
@@COMotorsportsMore like 450 probably stage 2 dual pulley unless it’s running ethanol huh?
Im beginning the process of 07K swapping my MK4 GTI, got my hands on a 2006 beetle 2.5 with a manual so i have everything. Love the 1.8t but i think the 07K might yield the results im aiming for
Smart swap... boosted they're amazing.
@@COMotorsports how hard is it (generally speaking) to boost the 07k?
@@Plupx No harder than boosting any other NA engine. There's no real kits so you're piecing it together yourself.
@@COMotorsports Sweet, the 2.5 sounds much better than my tsi. I'll do some research
Awp 1.8t is the best 4 cylinder turbo ever made hands down. Reliable, tons of power, cheap and easy to work on. I had several with all power levels up to 700hp and they are just amazing. Also I own a 40v 4.2 v8 phaeton that’s getting supercharged 😊
I always new this but just had to have to have a vr every time
But how much experience do you have with Gen3 stuff. It's easy to say because you had success with that engine, however we deal with all engines and get to see the ins and outs of each. The Gen3 for 500whp easily crushes the 1.8t in every way.
Cant wait to see more 2.5!
As a mkv rabbit owner i would love some 2.5 content na or turbo!
will love to see more 2.5 turbo content. still waiting on updates with that last 2.5t golf yall had on the channel
Had problem after problem with it. Seems to be sorted now and is parked on the dyno now.
@@COMotorsports 🥳
The aba! 8v 16v or 20v head choices. Preferably with the 16v head fully built big turbo.
Here in South Africa we have 2009 Golf 1 aka Citi Golfs most enjoyable motor is the 1.6i 8v(AFX one of the best VW 1600 8v ever)we love to fit Estas 272 cam some headwork 50/57mm free flow exhaust and Unichip Q standard ECU is Bosch Mp9, honestly not the most power but with 890kg the car is Nippy and fun to drive and fun off the line..
Not all of us are nearby a reputable VW Shop so there is something to be said for picking a Gen 3 2.0T and some easily bolt ons for a sporty daily! Also lets not poke too much fun of the TDI! I love my CR170 swapped Jetta.
3rd gen 2.0T in the mk7 def my fav my old mk7 was stage 2+ making almost 400whp on stock internals was very reliable and fun. she got totalled going for another mk7 gti to do the exact samethinh with. loved that car so i gotta get another one
Get an R this time
@@COMotorsports i am really thinking about it. but i gotta convince the wife on the extra money for it xD
I personally drive a 2.8 vr6 24v. Stock its very pleasant to drive.
I’ve always wanted a MK4 GTI 24v. Or a Jetta. I’m looking for one as we speak actually. Is there anything that you know of I should be aware of or look for?
I had a few generations golf’s gti and so far my favorite it’s been my mk6 golf with the 2.5 for some reason I really like the 2.5
Great engine, lacks power... just needs a turbo and it changes it completely.
@@COMotorsports just wish we had shops here in vabeach like your shop the specialties in VW and Audi
Big VR fan here. It would be cool for VW to build a GLi with a 3.0 VRT 4 motion 6 speed manual. At this point a GLi with a VR would be amazing.
The GLI for the most part is always a Hodge podge of parts from the other chassis. If they ever did something like that it likely would be so cobbled it'd be impossible to mod anyways.
In regards to the ea888.3 and the manifold being cast into the head there are a few workshops now developing 4 port head conversions but not cheap!!
I know it’s not as popular but I’d love to see a gen3 1.8t build. I have a 2016 Passat and it’s just so tough to find information on these.
I think the EA888 is a no brainer for “cheap” power. I love my CRZ MK6 golf R EA113 though. The sound for a 4 cylinder is very deep for some reason and besides the cam follower is a pretty nice engine. Just need to do the TSI roller Conversion. Can’t go wrong with the 07K either, 9 psi turbo on stock manifold and engine is close to 400 wheel which is amazing
Really depends which ea888 you’re talking about, because gen 1 and 2 are trash
@@user-cn8tc2lr1c yeah I’m only referring to gen 3+. I’d rather keep my ea113 in my R over the gen 1’s and 2’s. K04s are nothing on IS38s even IS20s
I'm working on finishing up a stroked 1.8t in my b5.5 Passat. New TFSI crank, IE Tuscan rods, JE forged pistons, and EFR 6258. I'm doing a stock position turbo manifold. Just needing a turbo drain flange to make my oil drain, and then throw the front on the car and build out exhaust. Will be starting and running it on a Maxxecu standalone, but at some point intend to switch back to factory ecu and get it tuned using Maestro. Any recommendations on someone who could remotely tune it?
We swapped a stock 12V VR6 into a full weight Mercedes C230K back in 2017 and the car ran low 12's with a HX35, 42# injectors, and off the shelf UM tune. It's basically a fun junkyard car and engine. Since then, a lot of other cars have got in the way of progress, but we recently picked up a 3.2VR from a Porsche Cayenne and want to swap it into the Benz with a HX40 super. What off the shelf FI software options do we have other than like a UM ProMaf setup for this engine? Thanks for your time and keep rolling......
UM or standalone. Standalone will make any swap possible.
My personal fav is the 2.7 turbo from the B5 S4
Greeat video guys.I like It.
My favorite hands down the 2.0 T EA888 gen 3, so easy to make gobs of reliable power , Bomb proof engine to boot .
I have an 18 Audi S3 with stage 2 , it’s about an extra 100 HP over stock , high 11,s in the 1/4
I have a getta GLI EA888 2021 what do you recommend as a beginner at modifying
@@semba_9676 Hey, yeah go for stage 1 tune ECU/TCU....you do not need any add ons for stage 1. I went with 034 motorsports and am very happy with them. with stage 2 I'm right at 400 HP , I also have cold air intake/ turbo inlet pipe, CTS intercooler, CTS 3.5 downpipe. It's a total blast to drive, 11.9 quarter mile/ 0-60 in 3.9 sec.
@@volkssturm9694 I'll tune it & downpipe it for now how much you think it will cost? & what do you think about turbo blanket? I heard it's also good
Wait till the mk8 r has been around a few years, currently in the uk mk8 golf r stage 1 basic map 400-410bhp 99ron map. Then 460-470 with intercooler and exhaust and mal tweak. The current standard conti turbo on the mk8 r can push the mk8 r to mk7 r hybrid turbo power numbers with ease. It’s amazing the way the things have changed in the past 10-15 years. Remember back in 2005/6 a 1.8t 225 Audi TT stage 3 was blowing the doors off most things 😂
Yea TR Hamza's MK8R has been nicely mapped by MRC. Making silly power with basic mods
Love me a 2.5 and TDI but I'm happy with my ea888 gen 3
I have a project 914 with a 1.8t GT28rs in it, originally I installed a G60 lysholm, then a 16v g60 lysholm. I was at first disappointed by the 1.8t performance and was wanting a VR or 07k turbo for the low end punch I'm missing from the original g60 swap, but now after getting some more wheel time I think that I'll just keep with the 1.8t and maybe upgrade to a different turbo G25-550 or build a bigger displacement 1.8t. The only thing missing from this plan over the VR or 07k would be the intoxicating sound that the bigger displacement engines make. My problem is I've always wanted a 5 cylinder turbo car so maybe a 07k 944 could be in my future, as that platform should have gotten Audi's 5 cylinder in the 924 originally over the Audi sourced 4 cylinder Porsche used. VAG swapped Porsches for everyone!
07K Fo sho
@@bellacanacorsocross711 Swap engines, or buy different car.
I have owned two 1.8T cars a Mk4 GTi and a Mk1 TT Quattro.
The Mk4 was alright, didn't really impress me as a car but the TT was so much better, both engines were reliable and did 185k miles before I sold them.
I now have a B9 A4 TFSI Quattro with a CYRB engine (MPI from factory in Europe). I'd love to know how to make 400hp (at the crank) but useable on track days etc so it wont over heat and shit the bed.
I'm not racing or modding heavily. My EA888.3 2.0 stage 2 is a blast to drive. It was super easy to add a downpipe and a tune. I could do more, but my fwd GLI already has traction problems. Maybe an A3/S3 in the future.
R/A3/S3 where it's at. Traction issues be gone.
@@COMotorsports I don't NEED to replace my GLI. I absolutely love it. But I really would love AWD 😂
I want to see more of your 06x block and 16v content in general!!!!!
It's coming. Full engine build video.
Absolutely love my 2.0t fsi
AGU, BAM best for me easy to work on and a lot of power with not much work.
Best engine hands down for power is the 16v, 35+yrs it's been around and still can't be beat.
Love my mk1 Audi TT 225 stage 1 strong engine B.A.M holds 23psi all day stays cool aswell compared to the crap Gm Vauxhall Corsa VXR I had and blowup lol
The new evo4 is already pushing crazy numbers with very supporting mods
"What is your favorite engine to modify" should be the namesake of the vid, how you going to leave out the TDI? They are HUGE in the swap world (and the majority of swaps aren't stock). I doubled the miles *and* smiles per gallon in my Jeep for example.
Simply because they can't make nearly as much power as easy as their counterparts.
@@COMotorsports Hence why I put the bit about "your favorite" per what you guys do - not everyone's design criteria involves making gobbs of power. My Jeep has no business making more power than I gave it with my TDI swap. 180-200 hp is fine in this application - I've seen people tow 5-10klbs and still make better mpg than the little AMC 2.5L 4cyl engine that I swapped out, Cheers.
@@amorag59 it's what our channel's based around so it makes sense. Lol
@@amorag59 I agree, modify isn't always synonymous with "going for power" TDI's are all about decent low end torque and fuel economy in a low weight package. But he seems too blind to acknowledge that the viewership is bigger than his subscribers.
I'd love to see a video of a basic breakdown of how much it costs to hit certain power miletones of the Gen 3, 2.0. I have a golf R that I'd love to get 500hp out of, but I'd like to do it reliably, and I'm curious about what it takes to get there!
7r... easy recipe. Downpipe, IC, LPFP, MPI, turbo and software... 500whp.
Having headed down that route, anywhere from $3000-$8000 Canadian depending on brands, and new Vs finding good deals on lightly used bits
@@COMotorsports Have you done any S1 PMax turbos yet? Any thoughts?
@@acefighterpilot only S2
I think it's worth noting that if this advice we're to be taken by someone building a street car or a non-drag track car, that the VR (because of higher displacement) will have torque earlier in the powerband than the 1.8t or the EA with similar total power outputs and similar sized turbos.
Now yea, sometimes that hurts more than it helps but it's definitely important to point out in case you might have a car that doesn't have a traction problem.
The Gen3 outshines in low end torque also. Trust me I've compared 400whp dyno graphs between VR Turbos and Gen3's. The Gen3 with relatively small turbo makes crazy low end torque and maintains a completely flat torque curve until redline.
peak torque on my Mk7 is like
@@JT-oz7yn are you making 500whp?
Hey guys, just came across your channel and I like your content. But this video is all about turbos. What kind of whp are you seeing/building in a n/a 5 cylinder and 24v vr6? 🥂🏎
That's because we primarily only deal with turbo upgrades here. If you stick around you will see that's primarily what this channel is about.... big turbo VW/Audi's. We turbo everything.
I love my TDIs, but I've grown to realize if I want real power I will definitely go gasser.
What is your opinion on the us 3.6 vr found in the b6 Passat and cc?
Im not sure what engine i have. Its a 2006 4cylinder turbo passat. I think its the 1.8. Again not sure gotta look. But where do you get your parts from? Thank you im glad i found your channel and look forward to working on it.
For me the best one is 2.0 TSI (EA888) in all it's 4 gens the reasons are:
1. Engine with more gens ever so VAG has been putting all of its experience on that engine
2. There are a complete market of hardware in order to tune it! Since engine supports to ECU tune with more stages levels complex
3. Not for nothing is the VWs engine's icon and wins as the best engine by International Engine Awards (IEA) in 2019
4. Because it's connecting rods and Pistons config it supports some stages up with stock engine!
If I could get that piece of engineering, I buy it without thinking!!!!
By now I have 07k Jetta
The 2.5 is pretty neat
I love my 6R but the engine does feel like it gets sluggish and have to always gov through the carbon cleans and I think I need a new camshaft but! I was putting my build based on that engine ea113 … I know apr came out with a new smart LPFP and VIS has the best hPFP out there in my opinion and now a company JDY is doing tons of work with this platform and they offer dual LPFP …. But idk is that were the problem is on the car just have a good high performance LPFP and hPFP ? Or is it more then that cuz everyone’s been doing these daza swaps… well probably mostly shops but it’s either 2.5t daza or the 3.2 vr6 but the vr6 is heavy… changes the balance of the 6R makes it nose heavy…… I would push my self to get a billet block for the vr6 if I did.. even though that’s ax serious amount of money for just distribution….. idk man i never liked the way the 7R engines sound but your video makes me want to buy one now and swap it in my 6
I’ve only ever drove super old vw engines and the newest one. 73 super beetle with barely any power at all. A vr6 in a 95 Jetta, then the 2.0 tsi gen 3. It’s nice to know the current 2.0 can be beefed up like crazy. Be insane to see how the atlas drove then. I wanted the v6 initially. just the way it drove around the mountains with all the weight it’s carrying made it drive worse than the 2.0 turbo. I guess if you live in some flat place at sea level it’s the better engine.
I am a bmw enthusiast through and through but you guys just earner a sub from me simply due to the fact how professional and calm the presentation was. Great stuff.
p.s. from a bimmer guy, a 3.2 VR6 and 2.5 R5 are one of the two best engines of all time, as well as the old Audi 2.7 TT V6.
Thanks for following along. And yes the sound of the VR and 5cyl have definitely made its mark as some of the best sounding engines for sure.