“Turn Based Games SUCK” - Spider-Man 2 Fanboys are Still Fuming Over Baldur’s Gate 3
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Spiderman fanboys left because they couldn't mash X to win the argument.
Goddman you. I just got caught watching TH-cam in my meeting at work. Because I laughed out loud just now.
@@alphax101-gaming2 r/iamverybadass
@@thunderflare59Just trust me bro
@@alphax101-gaming2 Source trust me, bro. Although I don't know what that has to do with who won game of the year.
Spider-Man 2 is a fun game, but ain't no way was it gonna win anything this year, basically your average Ubisoft game but with more polish and budget, it feels safe it offers nothing new or unique from a game design perspective that pushes the industry or its genre forward, or even to stand out among the games released this year.
It feels like this game you play in while waiting for actual top tier games then you forget about it a week later.
I think it's hilarious that they think Spiderman is even in the conversation. If BG3 didn't exist, Spiderman still wouldn't have won against Zelda and Alan Wake 2
Spider-Man looks like a fun game but it’s so basic compared to other releases this year.
Are you telling me Sony did not have any money to bribe the game awards for more awards ?! I am shocked !
Panderman 2 didn’t even win people’s voice and community support 😂😂😂😂😂
I feel like Spider-Man deserves more against Tears of the Kingdom tbh I found it very disappointing.
@@swifts6879 personally I agree with that, but I think we're in the minority in that belief.
"why can't it be real time combat?" because it's based on D&D
Imagine playing D&D and instead of waiting your turn everyone at the table is just screaming over each other trying to get the DM's attention every battle 😂😂
Wouldn't surprise me if the smoothbrain demanding realtime combat rolls a murderhobo and then ragequits when the rest of the party gangs up on him for being a twat.
okay thats it my next campaign is just going to be an auction during combat sections to see who can sell place their bid for the next attack.
Hell, because it's a cRPG, a genre that has never used real time action combat. Not just Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 (real time with pause counts in this category btw due to how it's interacted with), but also stuff like Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights, Planescape Torment, and more recent fare like Pillars of Eternity or Larian's own Divinity Original Sin, they all run turn based combat because that's the most effective way to make a game in this genre that's legible and enjoyable to a player. Sure the older games were that way due to technical limitations that birthed the isometric perspective in the first place, but they took that constraint and made it into something fabulous, so much so that decades later people decided they wanted more and the genre for to experience a resurgence.
"I START DOING A DANCE TO SEDUCE THE- NO I JUMP FROM THE TOP AND STAB IT- NO LET IT FLY OFF THE CLIFF AND-" Would be so confusing😭
Poor dm would be like "make a dexterity che- no you- you need a charisma check, wheres the dice- NO jason- you need to make a stealth check-"
utter fucking chaos is what it would be
The simplest explanation of why BG3 was GOTY: when it came out a huge part of the game industry were *terrified* that they would be held to this expectation going forward. People who were competent and confident in their skills saw BG3 and knew they could never be held to that expectation.
Its not a fair worry, plenty of games succeeded alongside and since BG3 without needing to be held to it's level, but the fact that this fear existed is in and of itself proof of how incredible the game is.
While the scale and scope of BG3 is definitely not a fair standard, there are lots of things that can and should become the new standard.
Things like:
-Taking player feedback seriously and fixing problems in your game quickly.
-Good writing and characters
-Well made dialogue animations
-Attention to detail and craftsmanship in design
BG3 may be LARGE, but a game of that quality that only included act 1 would be entirely achievable by any large studio in the industry and would STILL be a better game than anything else in years.
Starfields mediocrity and vapidity was made agonizingly clear the second it was compared to BG3, and BGS had WAY more resources and time to make that pile of shit.
@@munchkingod6this person was not saying this shouldnt become the standard, they meant that greedy companies didn't want this to be standard because this is "way too good" which is proof of how much this game deserves GOTY
Actually, many smaller studios have been quiet or even happy for BG3:s success. It's likely that for huge part of players this game was the first CRPG, or at least the first they have finished. This is great marketing for whole plethora of turn based video games, and to genre of CRPG's.
honestly i believe that bg3 SHOULD be held as a new standard for at the very least aaa games if we don’t acknowledge and demand better content to match the improving quality of technology other wise we’ll be stuck with games like star field forever
I used to hate turn based until my brother convinced me to buy BG3. Now I'm obsessed and have nearly 100 hours in the game. My favorite game of all time
she didn't even list all the possibilities for that one quest
she listed a lot, but the reason I know she didn't list them all is because I experienced one she didn't list. Barbarians can make the goblin at the front eat the shit you were supposed to smear on your face.
YES, YOU READ THAT, YOU CAN LITERALLY MAKE THE GOBLIN EAT SHIT
And join the Cult of the Lamb?
I also made him eat the poop. Still warm can’t let a snack like that go to waste 😊
Yeah, I made the Goblin eat the shit on one of my Paladin runs.
Neil stated there is a string of odd dialogue choices he had to record for that NO one has found in the game yet.
Yeah well in a game like spider man you don’t smear or make people eat shit, so…..
@@timeless74Oh well, limited by its rating I guess.
You know a game deserves GOTY when it scared the industry that I might have to raise its standards lol.
It was the only game that didn’t have a variation on it come out recently, and broke the pop culture barrier. Of course it deserved it!!!!
To be fair, the bar set wasn't very high. BG3 still had A LOT of the same problems people claim to hate but completely ignored for this game.
@@TheJohhnyE such as?
@@TheJohhnyEyou going to list them or just keep capping.
@@TheJohhnyE so are you going to list "A LOT" of those problems or are you just gonna spout bullshit??? Are you going to show you have working braincells and elaborate or are you going to prove youre a trog and not say what problems??? Cause other than bugs that every game has (not their specific bugs but bugs in general) BG3 doesnt really have any of the problem most games have...like for example...toxicity...the only bit of toxicity i see in BG3 is arguments about whos the best romance option...another big problem games face is being cash grab games with battle passes and loot boxes...neither of which BG3 suffer from
I love how gamers are so clueless that they're incapable of understanding that games like Baldur's Gate are CRPGs, which are just tabletop RPGs translated into a video game format. There's a reason for turn based combat, there's a reason for the presentation. They're basically elaborate board games on crack, and that's awesome.
Yea, it's like questioning why a monopoly videogame is turnbased
No, not really. Just because you are enamored with something (and probably for the wrong reasons, you glom on to things that you think are popular desperately hoping that popularity will rub off on you and you'll finally be accepted) doesn't make it awesome in general. I disliked BG3 and quit shortly after act 1, it isn't well written the story is pretty bland and there is no real character development.
@@thomgizziz That's the biggest lie I've ever seen, dude hating on one of the most complete and overwhelming story of the year with only the act 1 finished... and probably without finding every piece of story this act has to show 😂
One thing that Baldurs Gate made me realize is that some people cant handle the freedom. I played with a friend who after whatever we did asked:"What do we do we have to do now?" and I kept telling him to interact with the world and explore. He didnt. After whatever I offered him that could be done, because he did nothing by himself, was finished, he just stood there and asked the question again. Getting him to Withers alone was a HUGE pain. He succeeded the perception check for the button of the hidden door, then just walked away. After some encouragement and clarifications on the nature of buttons, he finally pushed it. After the fight, he had forgotten about the hidden room he just opened and made a beeline for the exit so I ushered him back into that room where he looted the chest and began to leave once more. I innocently asked him about the huge ass sarcophagus and he claimed he didnt find it worth checking so I triggered the cutscene myself. At this point I didnt know what was to come but Id soon learn after entering the grove which was the point at which I stopped playing Baldurs Gate with him. Now we are playing linear shooters together again and that works fine enough
i believe one of the main reasons behind the dislike for games like bg3 is that people have extremely short attention span nowadays, they need constant action and dopamine for a feedback loop so they can stay focused and need something to tell them where to go for the next dopamine hit. they cant seem stop and think about their actions and what it might potentially lead to.
That friend of yours sounds insufferable
@@pipwolverine Nah, hes a good friend and playing anything but Open World RPGs with him is a lot of fun.
@@a_degenerateit’s not just about short attention span, it’s about not wanting to care.
I’m on this camp. When I play game that isnt an fps shooter like cs my brain would shut down and just ride the wave.
When I played divinity 2 with my friends I just wanted fall asleep because of how mind numbling boring it was. The combat was literally using the same set of skills or waiting for cd (doesn’t help that one of my friends was very slow in making decision). That point made me realize bg3 is definitely not going to be my type of game.
@@sentryion3106 that’s fair tbh, I play cs a lot as well but I also like the slow paced strategy games. Apart from the issue of attention span there also the biggest factor of preferences in video games.
People saying turn based combat is "mind numbing" is like saying reading a book is mind numbing.
Turned based combat isn't my preferred way to play a game. That said, I can only imagine the type of people who say that are the same people who have never played a turn based game. Often, there's a lot more that goes into it than a lot of other games, and I guess if you find something overpowered and spam it, it can lead to brainrot, but then, you can do that in any game so I don't see how that really factors in.
When they have to think about more options than ‘press square’ or ‘press x’, or in really exciting moments, ‘press O’, the crayon build up makes their head hurt
thats because most of them arent smart enough top play games like that especially in the harder difficulties because it takes alot of strategy to beat these games in harder difficulties and they just dont have that brain power.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902 It's not really about being action game, it's about console warriors which can't think for a second. They need to mash QTE to win boss, not outsmart it.
@@Inf1e
I play primarily on console. QTEs are probably the worst addition to gameplay that gaming made, as it is both lazy and intrusive to the game itself. I see it as cheap, if I'm honest.
"Why can't it have real time combat tho? Why must it use outdated systems?"
I was not aware that real time replaced turn-based. Thought they were separate systems evolving independently from each other.
Exactly. Take the original LoZ; it was "real time" combat and it evolved right next to the RPGs of its time, like the original Final Fantasy games. There might even be an argument that turn-based is newer, I’m not 100% on the history, but I do know both have existed since at least the NES era, if not earlier. Either way, one is not the evolution of the other. Acting like it is would be like calling a side-scrolling platformer outdated for not being open-world. Its nonsense, they're two different types of gameplay with different goals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the first video games action-based, while the first turn-based/strategy games came years later, making them technically the more modern system?
@@noahloyd9176 You're right. Arcade games like pong and space invader
Fuckers would lose their minds towards a tabletop game.
I think this is kinda valid for CRPG fans; I honestly prefer turn based, but for the longesg time CRPGs have been Real Time with Pause.
Heck the previous BGs were not turn based.
I still ultimately prefer turn based; And Larian's game design has poisoned me, and I struggle to even enjoy replaying games like DAO.
If you talk about Baldur's Gate 3 with any other person who played it, everyone will have different stories, if you talk about spiderman 2 with anyone who played it, they will tell you about the scripted scenes that always play out the same way.
And if you talk about Starfield with anyone else who'd played it, they'll all tell you about how dogshit it ran, all the bugs, the storylines that have idiot balls superglued to every character, and space travel being dummied down to fast traveling with copious loading screens from point to point.
Like if yall think Spiderman 2 set the bar really low, Bethesda dug themselves a tunnel to China and lost the bar somewhere along the way.
It’s either goofy cutscenes with the option to fuck a bear or amazing animations with a linear experience, both great imo
I like BG3 way more but that's not a fair point. Both different games with different genre. What we must compare is the quality of the games delivered. Simple one is how Spiderman played it safe with its repetitive gameplay and mechanics while BG3 is a reinvention of CRPG with rich lore, amazing casts of characters, and crazy abundant non repetitive content that most AAA games couldn't even dream to achieve
@@pyrioncelendil also in the case of Starfield. Loading screen, loading screen, loading screen, ... etc.
It's funny because if I talk about or ask what happened with bg1 & bg2 enhanced editions along with dragonspear or even if just talking about forgotten realms in general. Most of the bg3 fans won't know what I'm on about. But at least with Spider-Man 2 alot of them know what their talking about and I know they're not gonna lie and say "oh y'know I've been a fan of marvel before the game even came out" unlike alot of the bg3 fans. I'm just saying while I do like bg3 more the community comments from you guys have been putting a sour taste to the game. I'm also pretty sure we've been the only ones to be making comparisons to Spider-Man 2 instead of them since I've seen it happening with other games as well like suicide squad and even a few failed attempts at palworld.
Your character class in Baldur's Gate 3 can also heavily influence those around you, resulting in different outcomes. This adds a ton of replayability. As a paladin, you get to act as a judge who gets to decide the verdict. As a druid, you can easily extract information from animals by talking to them. As a warlock, you can talk to the dead, which is awesome when it comes to investigating a crime and identifying the criminal. In Act 3, your given a quest to track down a serial killer. Speaking with the dead allows you to narrow who the killer is figure out their next victim. Clerics have different end results depending on the god your character worship. My first cleric worshipped an evil goddess, so people hate it whenever my character prays. As a rogue, my character stole a bomb from a suicidal runaway slave. Forcing them to give up automatically without having to negotiate. Not to mention, you are not locked in one class. You can even experiment by leveling up into other classes for more interesting playstyles.
Party memebrs are also not one-sided characters. They have their own personal goals and conflicts, and the end result of their final questline can vary heavily if you let them decide for themselves.
Ok you can speak with the dead by using the amulet you get in the room you get withers from. And shortly after that a character can permanently gain speak with dead by interacting with the necromancy of thay.
My paladin who can speak to animals and has an amulet to speak to the dead would like a word with you.
So, you can actually steal TWO bombs from the suicidal runaway slave.
Take two stealthy characters, turn them both invisible, sneak up behind the slave, and then have one character first pickpocket the vial of runepowder from the slave and then have the second steal the barrel. Stealing the barrel automatically triggers the conversation with the slave.
If you steal both, the slave will get absolutely pissed at you and then run off without allowing you to talk to them at all.
@@stephengrigg5988Why? He never said they were mutually exclusive, just that they offered different things.
Playing a gith and having a lot of fun of people just being afraid of me or just straight up not trusting me. Being a warlock on top of that means I can play the intimidation and deception game even better.
All these people acting like they've never heard of Baldur's Gate 3. Have they not been on the internet this year?
For real, I had to do a lot of blocking/curating everything involving BG3 gameplay, so I'm not spoiled........and then this video just spoiled me anyway. Great
Edit: I forgot to mention that I don't blame Joe shit happens, and videos covering it have a chance to spoil things.
Console gamers xd
Ppl like my friends, who play only one or two games and watch same content creators over and over maybe??? Esport games that is, so yeah not everybody have to see what you see
@@ttj7811 Yeah but they can't exactly be all THAT upset a game they haven't heard of won GOTY if they didn't pay much attention to gaming.
@@ttj7811So, as the commenter above me said, how can they complain about it winning if they don't even know anything about the game or how it actually plays. They didn't even know the thing existed. It's still nonsensical.
BG3 is turned based because it NEEDS to be turn based. You're controlling an entire party of characters, not one character. Often you need party members in specific positions or performing very specific actions during combat to react to different situations. You need time to strategize and set these things up. Also, each character has so many different skills, spells etc... how on earth would all this work in realtime without massively watering it down? The answer is, it wouldn't.
Well, I mean, Real Time with Pause exists. It was how the original BG games worked and their combat wasn't what you'd call shallow. Not disagreeing with what you're saying, mind, you're right, just adding.
So. I don't mean to counter your argument, but pathfinder wrath of the righteous has a button to switch between real time and turn based combat and both of them are pretty seamless to play and switch between and in WotR you even have more characters to control. It's a lot harder to play solely in real time, but it is possible to do both. Of course though, if there WAS real time combat in BG3 there would absolutely be people complaining that some fights are impossible without turn based being on since real time is just harder to control, and people who say they wouldn't complain are absolutely liars and I DARE them to go get pathfinder WotR and fight Playfull Darkness on normal difficulty without switching to turn based mode, or the knife wizard if they don't want to get super deep in the mid game and not say that that is a wretched fight in real time mode.
Turnbased modes are a blessing for fight planning and strategy and people wanting BG3 to be real time have no idea what they actually want because that is a difficulty nightmare for tabletop games like this. It was a nightmare in icewind dale, it was a nightmare in WotR, and it'd be a nightmare in BG3.
If you use your imagination and scale each full round with real time (6 seconds) each encounter is crazy.
Sonyslop fans are just too LOW IQ too understand strategy games
@@droylajarhirthefelinethief81but didn't you smash the pause key all the time? When you played random encounter then sure, it was so easy you didnt have to. For your fighter characters that was also fine. But for mages you had to press pause.
And BG3 has not only standard action but also bonus action and reactions. You can't do it without turnbased combat
There are 17 different versions of the narration depending on which character you play and how you play them, plus unique dialogue and play options for specific characters, in specific situations, even for custom OCs depending on class, race and background. The devs went so ridiculously in depth in every aspect. Add to that the amazing writing, acting, and performance capture to make the characters feel real. Its one of the best games I've ever played, truly unique, and it feels like playing DND.
There are like 17k different Interactions possible... The devs have said that some possibilities have yet to be discovered. And they haven't even talked about dlc or extended content yet.
The roleplaying aspect is good in BG3. But the game is absolute trash to play through because of bad mechanics and gameplay. This is why i highly recommend people watch a youtuber play the game instead of torturing themselves by playing it.
@@zackfair6791 what are you smoking? BG3 has excellent gameplay, if you like turn based games. Like, if it's not your style of game, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a bad gameplay mechanic. Like it is an objectively well done turn based RPG.
Exactly I just started playing the game today and so far, I like it despite basically being in the beginning after you escape from the mind flayers but so far I think it's a very interesting game. Even if it didn't win as a game of the year, i wouldn't care. There's plenty of enjoyable fun games even with a game of the year award. Spiderman 2 is gonna be fun on Christmas and it's really not that deep about which games are better.
So in depth they gave the game a worse ending than Mass Effect 3, and made it so none of your choices throughout the game mattered at all , so in depth...
A coworker of mine mentioned that he was really upset that Spiderman didn’t win GOTY, and my response was pretty much “look, Spiderman is a good game, but you finish the story and collect all the things and then it’s over. I have nearly 300 hours in BG3 and still haven’t finished it. People keep showing me things I had no idea existed. I knew it would win, I never doubted it once.”
With the way the entire industry was shaken, with how people just kept talking about it, Spiderman didn’t stand a chance
I'm just happy that a turn based game won both " Best Indie Game" & "Game of the Year" this year. The stupid discourse about turn based combat is ironically making me want to play these games.
It’s one of my absolute favorite gameplay genres
hear hear. Also dear sir may I direct you to JRPGs, especially Trails into Reverie and its previous games, am sure you will enjoy those too
Yup, I just bought Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader and having a lot of fun!
@@jeremyfusenliu3859if we’re talking about JRPGS with turn based don’t forget persona. Absolute clappers and the remake for 3 comes out in February
And sadly one of the most iconic RPG series of all time has completely surrendered to that “turn based bad” discourse. Much to its detriment I’d add.
The thing that gets me, is even if BG3 didn't win GOTY...Spiderman 2 still would have lost to Zelda or Mario.
And they would still be upset.
They would have said Zelda there is nothing to do in Mario they would have said something to similar or they would have said it's just because it's been around forever, there would have been a different type of complaining it's just so monotonous man.
Sony ponies just can't accept that more of the same just isn't what wins goty in years with good games.
I did not even know Spiderman 2 came out. I have not played BG3 but atleast I know of it and have great respect for the developers and the game
Sequels like SP 2, Tears of the Kingdom and GOW Ragnarok are not GOTY worthy IMO. It Takes Two was GOTY because it elevated CO-OP gaming to new heights. Elden Ring won because it reinvented open world game design in a time where people were getting tired of other games going open world. And BG3 won because it brought back the dying turn based CRPG genre with a massive effort.
@@valentinvas6454er won because it reinvented open world? lol no it only won cause it was the most casual friendly souls like game. The open world is just empty and pointless and honestly has the most unoriginal bosses compared dark souls 1,3 bloodborne, and demon souls. Legit only Melenia Mohg and some main bosses are the only good ones. Even armor core 6 has more challenging bosses than ER. And I really hope the ER dlc finally gives some decent bosses.
I played and absolutely loved Armored Core 6 and BG3 back to back. It never occured to me to expect them to be exactly the same. Why do these people refuse to understand different types of games exist? And both action and turnbased can be really good actually? Imagine.
As a fan of turn based combat, they can blow me. It allows for much more strategy, variation in combat and outcome, and ability to adapt on the fly. Some games suit the press X for light attack, press A for hard attack, press B for magic style, but this is a hard RPG and as such turn based combat complements it perfectly.
I dont like turn based but i gave BG3 a chance. These people wont even play a day before forming an opinion. Currently on my second run, balanced and having so much fun. I will do all the difficulties and still not tired.
This is what happens when you let social media and the mainstream affect your taste in anything
Facts. My brother in law is like that. Follows every new popular opinion. Dude has no personality. He's like a walking tik tok video.
That's the weirdest thing about now as compared to growing up in the '90s and 2000s...back then, when you were a teen, you wanted to be 'different' from your peers, so you put effort into finding new music, or new movies or hobbies that were outside the mainstream. Admittedly this could lead to its own kind of cringe, but I still think it's preferable to the kind of basic-ass conformist TikTok trending brain kids are going for now.
@@hemanthnair1290I’d rather someone passionately show me an obscure song or game than the same one or two songs I hear online all day long. I get way too tired of the same thing too many times
You described basically every Sony pony no matter the age, gender, race, country, religion, etc. They are all the same, Spiderman 2 for me is one of the most shitty games I have the honor to see, put the irony comes when some of this freaks call you nerd or even woke, yeah, because a superhero comic based character is not nerd or we are talking about Sony, the queen of the woke content in their videogames.
@@primenova4935Man, I remember when liking Spider-Man in pre school got you bullied but now everyone is a Marvel fan and you're a weirdo for not caring lol
Everything the girl at the beginning described is what DnD is all about basically doing anything your imagination will come up with
Yes let players approach the game and combat how they want to.
"I don't care how small the room is and if its filled with flammable barrels! I said I cast fireball!" - player s that love explosives.
like bear sex?
@@axiosespada7651 "Ignis!" (Whole room lights up in explosion) (game crashes due to excessive lag) 😂
The funniest part of this whole "discourse" is the fact that the Spider Man fanboys are in denial about the fact that if BG3 didn't exist, ToTK or Alan Wake 2 would have won. And if neither of those existed, Resident Evil 4 would have. Spider Man had absolutely no chance this year.
LOL at the guy saying Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't have great graphics. It just won Game of the Year and has some of the best graphics we've ever seen in a game. What an incredible achievement Larian Studios accomplished. It's not for everybody, but for the people it is intended for, it's everything they could have wanted and more.
Some of the best graphics we've ever seen in a game? Yeah how about no? Don't get me wrong they're not bad by any means but they're definitely not one of the best, the attention to detail is simply not up to par with the sheer scope of the game compared to the development team.
From magic effects to environmental lighting, weather, details of the skin, textures and so on. Fluids especially tend to be iffy, be it tears, blood, grease, water...
All those little things have been done way better elsewhere because they were willing and able to put that much more resources in that aspect.
@@markopusic8258 in terms of art style, not pure graphics power you doofus
The graphics aren't that good, not on par with most AAA games 2023.
Holy shit you hit the nail on the head with "you're just angry you can't enjoy the popular thing" It's perfect. It's like i unlocked a fucking skill tree
As someone who doesn’t like turn based or DND games, and as someone who enjoyed spiderman 2, I’m glad BG3 won and I hope Larian gets all the funding they need to make whatever they want in the future because they deserve it
I for example never really got into Witcher III. It just wasn't for me. But I never moaned about how bad it is just because I specifically couldn't enjoy it. To many people it was the game of the century. Who am I to tell them otherwise?
These spider-duds are absolute nutjobs.
@@FinckelsteinWitcher 3 is my favorite game I actually didn’t think I was going to like it.
But back on topic boulders gate is not for me but I’m really happy you did well. Like you said I am going i’m playing because another game do better than when I was playing.
Literally this^. Elden Ring was WAY too hard for me, but watching it, I was blown away by how absolutely amazing every aspect of the game. You'd have to be insane to think that the game is bad because you PERSONALLY don't like certain aspects of it.
@@yveltalsea I feel the same about the Dark Soul die hard (and often) combat, the main reason I do not get myself Elden Ring I just know it is not for me. Does not make me think this game sucks btw. I actually really adore the grotesque and at the same time pretty Art style and music ofc. On the other hand I adore strategic Games like Crusader Kings 3 many people will say how can you even, haha. It is just people need to chill more nowadays on the internet, I get waaay too much "I am too old for this" vipes lately....
@@Leafianaon a slightly off topic note, I don’t like platformers all too much but I LOVE Mario Wonder. It’s just so cartoonish and colorful. Awesome watching experience when high haha
I think the main issue with these fanboys arguing against turn-based games is they think the entire game is turn-based.
I dont think they understand ONLY the battles are turn-based, and outside of battle you get to wander around freely to your hearts desire (unless you choose to go turn-based to do fun stuff).
As someone who has nearly gamed for 30 years. A good game is just a good game. Doesn't matter if it's Turn-Based, Action, RPG. If it's good and hooks you it's a good game. And not everyone is going to like the same thing sometimes. But I have to hand it to Baldur's Gate 3 and say it handled pretty much everything with care as I expected from playing past Larian games. And has been getting even more updates and patches to flesh out the parts that the community felt were lacking.
I'm not even remotely surprised that tiktok kids with an attention span of literal seconds prefer the video game equivalent of jangling keys in their face over the one where you have to think about things.
All these people are IRL NPCs and they play games like bots.
Sheep gonna sheep
I only voted spiderman because that's the game out of all the game of the year options that I really wanted to play. I didn't even know about Bladurs gate until the nominees were announced. But how dare they call turn based combat bad. Turn based combat requires you to be smart and know how to make strategies, so I'm not surprised that tictock kids hate the game. Spiderman combat is mostly mashing one button. Man, what have we done to society to where people are going to have nostalgia over singing toilets taking over the world.
Because this game isn't accessible to all ages, or at least a young audience. I agree BG3 was the best game this year and think it's fantastic, but what ten year old would choose BG3 over Spiderman? Be reasonable dude.
Ironic of you to call people npcs when you have a SpongeBob pfp and can't use simple logic.
@@suchmousewhat ten year old is voting for game of the year
@@corporatecapitalism not talking about votes, just responding to OP as to why some people would prefer spiderman
As someone who generally prefers turn based games more, people have been saying this for decades. They don't seem to realise action games are also super old. They will argue no one plays them, yet there have been so mant times where a really good Turn Based RPG has blown up. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last time they embarase themselves saying this. They want everything to appeal to them and only them because they can't comprehend that someone likes something different to what they like
Wolfenstein 3D is one of the first 3D action based games, released in 1992. That's probably before even all of those criticizers where born (I played it when it was released by the way). So yeah. And I still like action based games, but am also a big fan of turn based games. For example - I like the fast paced action of Ys VIII or Ys IX, but also like the turn based Trails Of Cold Steel (or Trails In The Sky before that). There is no reason you can't like both...
@@jclosed2516literally ys 1 is action rpg it is 1989 game.
These are the same people that say rpgs are dead it’s laughable.
The saddest part about modern gaming is that it's brought in people like this who have no brain lmao
"no one plays turn based games!" Oh... I guess Pokémon franchise doesn't exist then
As much as these arguments against turn based make my head hurt, I genuinely feel bad for the people who don't like them, because it seems like for the most part, that it's an attention deficit problem
As someone diagnosed with it, it took some time understanding how things work but I loveeee the game! Even played early access.
Fanboys: *Cast “whine and Cry”*
Baldurs Gate: *“Whine and Cry” very ineffective*
Baldur gate requires attention and focus to have fun. You usually find fun through experimentation because the game doesn’t hold your hand.
These fanboys remind me of anyone who say that dark souls/Elden ring should have difficulty slider.
My favorite thing about BG3 is how the devs seem to have thought about pretty much *every* possibility a situation could turn out. I acted like I want to join the Drow at the goblin camp and got the mission to rat out the grove. I thought "I wonder if I can use this to set up a trap..."
Yes. Yes you can and it´s fucking epic, including cut scenes, dialog and all.
Yes! Lying was a very valid possibility so many times, it's insane.
every possibility... in a video game system with very limited interaction...
also thats a hilarious thing to say when you cant even talk as a group for a persuasion or insight check. something easily doable in the actual game... "we roll insight" "hey bard man, cna you roll persuasion on the guard?" now its random when they'll happen.
Oooh sounds like a cool thing to try...!
In act 1? Yes, Not so much in the later acts.
@@elgatochurro "Very limited?" It has more interaction than all Bugthesda games combined and then some.
I like how people call turn-based outdated when real-time combat in video games is older and has been a thing for over 60 years. No, the actual reason those people don't like it is because you need to use your brain for that, whereas in spiderman 2 all they have to do is press a few buttons to fly through the streets in a pajama.
Don't act like Spider-Man is trash by overly simplifying it, you can do the same to BG3 and it would be just as dumb to do. Both games are good but BG was just better and more innovative.
The deal here is that with "Real Time Combat", be it your typical FPS, First or Third person Action/Adventure, RP or whatever... you're technically in full controll of the character you play with at all times, which, ideally, it will respond instantly to the player input intended to execute an action, even one as simple as jumping while standing still. The only limitation of such system is in the developer's own limitations to create as many gameplay mechanics as possible.
In the other hand, with "Turn-Based Combat", while it allows to control more than one character, what you actually do is walk up to an enemy, have all the characters essentially gathering to stand still on an imaginary platfor and wait for you to select the action you want your characters to take from a hud element at the bottom of your screen, which have to with each of your characters, as well as waiting for the enemy to do so as well.
@@TheSpidersider But he's right about them not wanting to think, isn't he? It's tactical turn based combat, complete with interactive environment & hazards, meaning you have to think a couple moves ahead. It's literally like playing something akin to Chess. A lot of people don't like thinking that much. When I played BG3 and pulled off something clever, I felt clever - the game is all bout that. When I played Spiderman, I remember thinking how effortless it all felt, which mae me feel like nothing could stop me - it's a power fantasy for everyone. These are both power fantasies, but one just feels more earned and isn't afraid to let you completely bork things up for your character lol. It doesn't make Spiderman a bad game, just one that made to be more simple. I mean, it's for adults, kids, everyone. BG3 is NOT for children lmfao
@@Gamfluent Sorry you feel insulted by facts. I didn't call the game bad in any way, stupid games have their purpose too and I like playing some of them. I just don't lie to myself and pretend they're comparable to BG3.
@@Gamfluentits based on dnd and most of the time your facing far stronger enemies then you and your outnumbered if thatnwould play out in real time all time it wouldnt be viable but a chaotic mess. Think about something before saying it.
And besides its a huge identity of larian divinty had it too so it is what it is and it seems too have had huge succes so turn based does see viable that you dont like it is your opinion but dont drag it down because its not your taste just makes you look like a spoiled brat.
Something that bothers me is that people who DO decide to give it a try, only get to an area at the beginning of the game like reaching the Druid's Grove, and make their decision. Mind you, they have barely scratched the surface of what this game offers.
Never been a fan of turn based video games, always preferred real time combat. But I’ve played D&D for many years so BG3 came naturally to me and I loved it. The amount of creativity at your disposal in combat is amazing and Larian did such a good job replicating the open-ended unpredictability of 5e play
I don't know how people can say turn based combat is outdated when Persona 5 and Yakuza Like a Dragon exist.
or the pokemans games lmao well the one with turn base combat like pokemon diamound and pearl or emerald for example maybe Pokémon silver..?
Remember when ponies were holding up Persona 5 like the golden child of God?
@@roguespartan2854are ponies another name for PS Players? I keep seeing it and for a hot second was wondering why tf people were complaining about mlp lmao
@@dumbbumsc5329Yes it is
Big fan of more retro style JRPGs too.
Very true. The whole argument is ridiculous. The mere fact that every playthrough of Spiderman is going to be virtually identical, and every playthrough of Baldur's will be mostly unique means nothing to these people who didn't give Baldur's a chance because stepping out of their comfort zones means using their brains for the first time in their lives. "Why wasn't Knive's Out more like Endgame? Why not every movie use comedy and giant action pieces? Tailor everything to my narrow window of appeal please! " Sheesh. Sad world we live in.
It pisses me off because it’s so obvious that spider man 2 is a straight up downgrade from the sequel. Endless amount of gadgets? Gone. Gripping story with a tear jerkering ending? Lmao. Interesting and likeable characters? Gtfo. The first game is an absolute classic of a spider man game with even its “Be greater” trailer being one of the greatest trailers ever.
Meanwhile it’s sequel mid, on top of mid with more mid. But meanwhile these npcs just say that you didn’t play the game if you point out how trash the story is. I thought RE4 or Zelda deserved to win since act 3 of BG3 is kinda weak but Spider-Man had no business being nominated for goty
@@Gamfluent Yeah it just looks like Diablo to me. I can't get immersed in a world when my POV is from a bird's eye view.
Turn-based combat also doesn't make sense, imagine getting in a fight with someone out on the street and having to wait for them to hit you before you can do anything.
@@97CrazysteveI didn’t think I’d like the turn based combat but it was pretty fun. Also controlling 4 people in real time is not something you’d want to do in real time combat
@@Gamfluentno way you think it looks like a mobile game… have you even played it? It’s literally one of the highest rated games ever for a reason. The game is simply incredible and I didn’t think I would like it before I played it
There is an argument for flow, but Spiderman 2 is not DMC5.
The argument about the option to choose between real time and turn base doesn’t even work because BG1 and 2 did exactly that and I guarantee that non of the Spider-Man fanboys would ever touch those 2 games
I think the funniest thing about the SM2 fanboying is that even if BG3 didn't win, the next game up wasn't SM2 but TOTK. SM2 Wasn't even runner up
The idea that real time combat was somehow an evolution of turn based games rather than just a different type of game in these people's minds is melting my brain. Same for people arguing that both turn based and real time should be options. They are two different types of gameplay that don't really overlap well in that way. It would likely balloon costs for games even more as they would have to develop what basically amounts to two different games to account for both styles.
Of course it’s turn based. You are literally playing dnd
I like how Pathfinder games have both RTWP and turn based.
I wonder what they'd do if they saw someone playing chess. "Like bro, we can go play tag right now. What are you doing?"
This is what Tiktok gets you. A generation of total idiots
4:09 "bc turn based is shitty and lazy" he said while button mashing
I've been kinda pissed off that they're remaking old Final Fantasy games into ARPGs because "turn based is old fashioned." It's good to see not only that they still exist, but they obviously blew the competition out of the water.
What they're probably afraid of is that other gaming studios will take notice and make MORE turn-based games.
BG3 is for people that like to think. People that like a calculated challenge. It's for readers, for puzzle masters, for explorers. It makes you solve and second-guess. It makes you want to dig deeper, and to find out more. To start another character, another adventure. It offers SO much more than a spiderman game ever could.
It’s crazy that alot of people don’t mention the fact that u have the option to disable turn based mode while not in combat, also I feel like baldur’s gate 3 is a breath of fresh air when it comes to how we approach combat, u actually have to strategize and carefully decide your next move rather than just go in guns blazing 😂
yeah and as soon as you try that you’ll realize that bg3 is turn based because it needs to be
4 wiz 4 fireball we coming in blazing
Honor mode players after turning off turned based:
It's not really a breath of fresh air though. There were lots of good CRPGS like that in the last few years with combat like that. BG 3 just went above and beyond and managed to make the genre bigger again.
Because if its not gow, Spiderman, madden or COD its not good to them.
Madden and COD are cookie cutter bullsh*t throw aways games. GoW, and Spiderman are good games, just not as standout as the likes of Baldur's Gate, and Armored Core.
Madden is a turn based game. Each team takes turns playing offense.
idk what the fck madden is, but GoW is in a different league than the rest you mentioned. Spiderman’s gameplay is insanely repetitive with an OK combat at best (probably combat and traversal are the strongest components of SM), older GoWs and recent ones are outstanding in combat-, weapon-, enemy design. fighting requires skill, learning, practice. you need to have good timing, use the right tool, and so on. -with very captivating story, environments, characters, epic cinematic moments, etc. and 0 chores.
Spiderman is full of chores, sadly.
Seriously, one of the things I love about being a gamer is all the different and incredible genres of game I can experience. My favorite genre is RPGs but that didn't stop me from trying and discovering a love for X-Com style tactical games; I thought nothing of Visual Novels until I played a few of them and realized how great they could be. The mandatory multiplayer in ME3 made me realize that I actually really enjoy that model when done well and I played it for months, becoming quite good.
It saddens me when I see so many modern gamers building walls around their one genre and refusing to enjoy or try anything outside of their norm.
In a year without BG3... it still wouldn't have been Spider-Man 2. It would have been TOTK or Alan Wake 2.
Turn-based games don't necessarily suck. They can be bangers. Just look at Persona 5, Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Dragon Quest 11, and now Baldur's Gate 3.
Pokemon too
Octopath as well older paper mario and games inspired by it and the mario rpg remake
Turn based games are fun if done right. Final fantasy 10 was one of my favourites too cus of its turn based combat. Simple but fun
You forgot Divinity Original Sin. The fact that you obviously never played it is a travesty.
Shin megami tensei 4 is the peak of turn based games
I think part of the reason some people dislike BG3 is the depth of choice. They are people who are used to RPGs having a correct way to do things. Some had a correct evil way as well, but the way to line up choices was fairly simple.
One of the major criticisms many rpg enthusiasts have towards games like Starfield and Fallout 4 is the limited choices the player has. BG3 and games like PoE go back to the era of crpg's that had tons of character customization which meant that every playthrough is different. Classic games like Fallout 1/2 and Arcanum are still to this day highly regarded because of the massive amount of player choice that games today lack.
@@slashinghades7347 I am referring to the other people though. The ones who grew up playing JRPG stuff and then they may have done a few western RPGs like Mass Effect.
@@mattroxursouleh, I'm skeptical. While jrpgs usually are linear, they are obviously so. Also, the better quality of them definitely allow and require a lot of player choice on the matter of character setups and battle tactics. A long time jrpg fan might bounce off of BG3, but their complaints would probably sound a lot different. More talk about characters being weird and random, less about combat being slow or there being too much reading.
Imo, the kind of complaints sound more like people used to cinematic sandbox games and action adventure. Games where they are used to having "freedom", but which now results in culture shock when bg3 gives them *actual* freedom... and the consequences that come with it. "You mean I need to actually stop and think, and use good tactics, and consider likely results?"
Only thing I don't like about it is turn based combat but just like with wasteland I Love it anyways cause the story is great and I enjoy the rpg elements
No I hate it because of the combat and the perspective you play in. If it played like New Vegas I'd like it.
Spider-Man fanboys left because they paid 70 bucks for a good game that is completed fully within 30 hours, whilst Baldur's Gate 3 provides hundreds of hours of revolutionary and interesting gameplay for 60 bucks....
The people saying that "Larian could just add a real time system" sound like the game journos who think that soulslike games should "just add an easy mode"
I'm not sure who ever thought Spider-Man was worthy of an award. Just because it's an exclusive???
Sony ponies gotta Sony pony.
Because it's pretty much THE exclusive. Not much else this year for PS5.
Does this game even have anything going for it except for the cool swinging mechanic? I admit, that one looks so smooth and fun, but I have not heard anyone praise anything about the game but the swinging.
While for Baldur's Gate 3 you hear all kinds of praises about so many aspects of the game like voice acting, the insane amount of choices you can make, graphics and animations, the writing, the combat and probably more. You hear all that about BG3 while Spider-Man just sounds like a swinging simulator lmao
@@gamble777888 ff16 the whole reason I even own a ps5 well now bg3 but it wasn't on my radar until that bear scene went viral lol
just sony fans who only play the annual open world action adventure game with ubisoft exploration
All these people crying that BG3 won don't understand something; devs weren't coming out of the woodwork saying how their game wasn't setting a new standard in the industry, not to expect their game to BE the new standard, as they did with BG3. Because it was THAT good.
But in all honesty, BG3 has no new standards. It's a good CRPG but other CRPG have same things in common.
@@dimitrifake53
1) No microtransactions.
2) Playable at launch with bug fixes being the studio priority.
3) Expansive world so detailed you can speak to squirrels and rats... yes, they got dialogue.
4) Interactive companions that have their own story arc, have affinity or animosity towards other companions, romance arcs, are fun and/or compelling, etc.
5) Indepth tactical combat where even the environment can play a part.
6) Numerous ways to approach and handle quests.
And that's off the top of my head.
Yes. Other CRPG's have things in common with BG3. They have SOME of those. They don't have ALL of that. THAT is why it was seen as a new standard.
@@mgass1354
1 - It has nothing to do with CRPG. It is just a way to make money, mostly for F2P games.
2 - That hasn't changed.
3 - Depends on the game, it wouldn't make sense for some games to have that and expansive world can be debated.
4 - Pathfinder WotR has that too, pillers of eternnity as well. I wouldn't expact that in a game like CoH 2, it is a standard for CRPG and it hasn't changed at all.
5 - I beg to differ, but that is just standard for any RPG games that have tactical aspect in them, like wasteland 2 and 3.
6 - ACT 2 and 3 not so much.
List a new standard for CRPG, since you can't have this games standard on any given game.
Like FPS won't have same standard as an CRPG.
This is why I see it as stupid people who never touched a CRPG game in their lives thinking it's the frist game in CRPG genre.
@@dimitrifake53
"This is why I see it as stupid people who never touched a CRPG game in their lives thinking it's the frist game in CRPG genre."
I'm from the OGG; Original Gaming Generation.
I played PONG when it came out on home console in '76 for Christmas. I played Bard's Tale, one of the first RPGs, on a Commodore computer. I've played every RPG, and their sequels, worth playing on almost every console and computer generation from that time until today; Bard's Tale, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Arcanum, TES, KOTOR, Divinity; OS, Mass Effect... the list goes on and on.
I think I know computer games and RPGs as well as, if not better, than anyone. I've watched their rise and I've watched their fall.
I was there when MMOs became the next "big thing". Then RTS over turn-based combat. Then it was first-person shooters. Then it was pvp. Then battle royale pvp. And every game jumped on the bandwagon for every one of those.
Don't assume every gamer today is 13 years old. Those of us from the OGG, well many of us anyway, are still playing games because we grew up with them, through the decades, the technological advances, from text based games like ZORK to the expansive open worlds of Skyrim and Fallout 3/4.
BG3 is a throwback to the old RPGs, in scope and story, with today's graphics, technology, and the old mindset of "here's our game, enjoy it" instead of "we put out a game now give us every dollar you have".
@mgass1354
BG3 is not a throwback to CRPGs at all. I have many CRPGs, and all of them are great, but it just another good CRPG in the list.
A gaming standard is something that would have changed the CRPG, but everything that BG3 does is prelevent in pretty much most other CRPGs.
The scope of BG3 in act 1 hurts when one arrives on act 2 and 3. It's like scope clashes with direction.
But as stated, one cannot take standards of one genre to another.
Real-time RPG and turn based RPG still alive and kicking. One didn't overtake the other.
The level of interactions for each given encounter is taxing for many games, so many have little differences in how one might act in each given situation. But I only see it as a good feature to have if possible, but not javing such level doesn't make other CRPG worse off.
The two biggest standards you listed are not gaming standards but consumers' acceptance of them. Publishers wouldn't do them if we didn't pay for it.
Other standard you listed for CRPG that you thing BG3 set already were pre-existing in many CRPG games.
The amount of freedom you have in bg3 is insane, the gameplay itself is pretty good but what really impressed me is that you can do literally anything that's in your mind and it has the consequences you would expect. In most games, no matter what you do, it never changes much.
i love how some sm2 fanboy say they have level of detail ect ect , while their entire story are so mainstream that it's boarderline mine numbming
The same thing happened to me when I tried Elden Ring after it won GOTY. I bought it on a sale but I could not get into soulslike games because it's not my taste but atleast I tried broadening my horizons and kept it in my library because I can respect the effort and passion FromSoft had for it.
It was the same for me I would have loved to love Elden Ring but alas it wasn’t meant to be. I respect it for what it is despite that. I’ll be willing to give it another shot in the future if the mood strikes. If only these Spider-Man fans took it this way I’m betting none of them have even tried to play BG3, just saw it was turn based and noped out.
That or they tried it and found out the learning curve for combat was too steep for their liking ... couldn't just blindly attack their way through the game.
@@pearsemolloy9656as my first souls-like Elden Ring was a phenomenal experience. I fought the first enemy out the gate until I killed it(the Tree Sentinel), which took ~50 tries. There’s a bit of bs in that game but with the personality offered within one’s loadout, and how demanding and cinematic the fights were, it was a phenomenal experience but one catered towards quick and reactive inputs. As much as I find BG3 cringe for being slow-paced/ turn-based, made for 30 y/o’s that love to read, and a boring watch, I admire the game for being chess-like requiring proactive planning, while remaining loyal towards its true audience. I do think game preference boils down to what stress you prefer to engage with outside of life, proactive requiring thought, or reactive requiring action.
Elden ring sucks all of from other games are better
@@treebush nah it’s pretty dope
Baldur's Gate 3 gameplay - you are using your brain, trying different strategies, trying different builds and options, you are literally playing fantasy chess
Spider-man gameplay - press cross, square, square, square, circle, triangle in the right time and you will see cool cutscene
but turn based games are outdated, of course, it makes perfect sense
Spiderman fanboys will never feel the satisfaction of spending half an hour dying to, and then defeating a handful of rats after leaving the vault in fallout 1
Fans of the Spider-man is stupid woke shit-eaters, that's why.
Its like saying mk1 is braindead and you just have to mash random buttons, stop hating on a good game because the community is toxic
@@mikless6936 How are you comparing mk1 to spiderman 2? Spiderman is litterally just button mashing and it even pops op huge warnings and blinking red circles and the only think you do is press 1 button to dodge/counter. Comparing sm2 to any fighting game shows you have never played any fighting game against other humans or even higher difficulty AI. Cause that shits a wack comparison.
@@mikless6936Not the same thing, MK1 requires high execution and coordination to pull off a good, damaging combo while you can get by Spider-Man 2 by just pressing square and circle
i've learned that there is just an entire audience that is rather large of casual gamers who will be impressed by the most mundane things either because they're more graphically intense, have an "open world," are long games over 60+ hours, or some other reason that really does nothing to reflect the actual quality of the game. there are people out there that think Starfield is a work of art and the greatest game they've ever played. There are people out there that think the later series of Dragon Age were the best games ever and got better than the original Origins game. When a large amount of gamers are older adults working 40-60 hours a week with not a lot of free time to play games, these people are only ever going to be able to base their opinion around a handful of games that are usually AAA because big well known games come off as less of a risk to spend money/time on. The majority of gamers haven't played tons of indie titles or smaller games that showcase creativity, technical advances, narrative, etc. on an unprecedented level because they're still playing the one AAA game they bought 3 years ago they didn't ever have enough time to finish. Casual gamers are the reason AAA companies can release the most basic, poorly wrapped and bug ridden half-finished game with 10 planned paid DLC because they literally don't know how good games are actually capable of being. With this, in completely makes sense that they have no idea how much BG3 has reshaped the RPG genre in general nonetheless surpassed anything released in the past decade or longer because they don't have a scale of what is actually good or bad game design. Casual gamers like the same game re--skinned 40 times because when you have limited time to play games, it's a lot more comfortable to play one with the same systems and mechanics in place you already know. Learning how to play something is a risk buy if you can only dedicate a few hours a week. People in general are creatures of habit. In the gaming world, this just unfortunately translates to the majority of consumers being super complacent with what's released. That's why Larian Studios and BG3 are an anomaly.
I think the main reason people dislike bg3 is it doesnt create instant dopamine like real time games like spiderman gives.
Spiderman's gameplay isnt anything groundbreaking but its visually eye candy so everything you do gives you an instant hit of dopamine which is what the tiktok generations brain is wired to.
But BG3 gives you delayed dopamine hits because you gotta set up your cool plays.
Xcom 2 is turn-based. Nobody can say it's lazy, because it's not.
Most of those people have never played xcom 2 and it shows
The funny part is, the guy that complained about Dragon Age not having in real time combat probably didn't play them, because they DO have it.
Inquisition literally starts with this mode on, and you have to ACTIVELY turn the turn-base combat on...
Only game in recent years i can recall that had such variety of options. Had a discussion with 4 people about their experience in BG3 and NONE had same playthrough. Different ways, different solutions, dialogues etc.
There is yet another way to get in that wasn’t listed, because it’s what I did.
Which is trick the goblin into thinking I would kiss it’s foot. Instead, I bit off the toe and kept the magic ring that was on it. Thanks for the ring, Crusher!
The only series i hate for being real time is the newer final fantasy cus they completely changed what the series had been for years and the real time is was less engaging and impactful when u have a "party" but can only control the main character it just doesn't work with final fantasy
Here comes the ff crying just move on maybe 17 will have crpg gameplay since 10 everyone has been calling the new one the worst ever and all the people hypefor rebirth will enjoy it and then complain cause they change the story. I guess complaining is requirement to join the Fandom...
I finished FF16 and yeah I can understand, even as an action game the depth isn’t there until you unlock more Eikons and that’s very late game.
I am thankful they changed it. I can finally play them without feeling bored.
Agree with you my man!!!!
I can still forgive with ff 15 and 7 remake for be pme crpg because its still hold true with their root
But 16 just dumpster fire that didnt derserve any name fpr ff series!!!!
I remember being young and stupid and thinking turned based games were inherently terrible.
I'm still stupid, but I enjoy turn based games now. Even though I suck at them.
Baby steps! :)
I never thought that way, because I grew up with the Worms series.
To me, if you think turn based games are bad, you haven't been playing the good ones. Like yeah, if a game is just taking turns hitting each other I would find it boring too. But a game like P5 Royal makes it shine; so many decisions to make in battles, like how to best utilize the baton passes, do you wipe out the mobs with an all out attack or go for a hold up, what are you going to take from the hold up, do you initiate the battle with a surprise attack to lower the security level of the palace and get in the first hits, or do you go head on to raise the security level and increase the chances of rare loot mobs spawning amidst the stronger enemy presence.
Anyone who says turned based combat is bad because it isn't actions sounds lile they are saying "me think it stoopid cause me dont think."
It's fun because it is meticulous. You have to plan your moves, while also predicting the moves of your enemies. I don't care for fighting games, but I wouldn't call them bad as a genre because it isn't turn based.
"Turn-based combat ruins games". Absolutely. That's why chess has been around for a couple thousand years.
WhY cAnT cHeSs bE ReAl tImE
@@valx7586 cHeSs aNIMatIoN SUcks
What's funny is, I've heard some of these same arguments during the PS1 days
Gameplay in BG3 is amazing but for me it gets overshadowed by dialogues which are my favourites. That is the beauty of BG3 it has something for everyone. You want to be killing machine? Here you go, Want to play smart and drop things on enemies (my friend loves throwing books at them for some reason "knowlege is power" he says). BG3 allows you to do almost anything. And if it doesn't that means you don't know how to do it
Then the legend of The Book Bandit arose, those who were unworthy of the his knowledge got slapped by his legendary book throw. The golden power of the book bandit book throw would knock any evildoer to their knees.
Mgic the gathering should have a real time format, everyone just drop cards and draw em whenever you feel like it. Taking turns and making meaningful decisions literally ruins it for me
The "Thats just one quest" gave me a Cyberpunk 2077 flashback to when they marketed the flathead quest and all the different ways you can do the quest and finishing it with "Thats just one quest." Except that really is just one quest. It's only one like that.
Unlike Baldurs Gate that actually achieves what Cyberpunk always wanted to be with its quests.
And then you get into Dogtown and the gigs you get from Hands are just as layered (if not more so) as the Flathead quest. It demonstrates that CDPR is learning, so their Cyberpunk followup to 2077 will likely reflect that.
Though I'd argue that part of the reason Phantom Liberty reinvigorated Cyberpunk 2077 also has to do with timing: it came out right as Starfield burnout was starting to set in. Anyone who'd played BG3 and then got into Starfield saw what a godawful mess Starfield was, but were slogging it out to make the purchase worth it, and then PL dropped and they no longer had a good reason to be playing Starfield.
Every time I go into the goblin camp, I start roleplaying as Goblin Slayer and just massacre them.
Also the problem with most turn based games is that they become a massive slog at some point and you just want to avoid combat but which BG3 managed to avoid. In BG3, I was constantly seeking combat because it was fun and even in Ch. 3, it still felt engaging as it were in Ch. 1.
I do the goblin slayer thing and start counting how many iv killed not to mention inventing new ways to kill them
Wild haha. I like the game because I’m sometimes able to skip the combat which makes me annoyed 😂 FE3H was better for me on that front due to the “nevermind button” and the “I don’t care what yall are up to I’m gonna hit you again now skip enemy attacks button”. Bg3 doesn’t have that. So if I screw up, like with this goblin area specifically, it’s just like 5 minutes of waiting for them to be done lmao
I'm so happy dragon quest and persona really moved away from random encounters and long slogs of forced encounters I loved being able to just avoid most fights if I choose to, and thank god for auto battle for when I want to grind but not be super engaged
@@cyanmage1 I didnt even give examples but we’re sharing a brain cell lmao.
One thing I haven't seen yet is that the last winner Elden Ring also threw developers into a tizzy while single handedly winning over the world. For all my gripes with Elden Ring, it definitely deserved game of the year. And Baldur's Gate, regardless of bugs or personal taste, deserved the same. It's just crazy that two years in a row the winners caused developers to lose their minds.
The moment that bade me realise how amazing BG3 was is when I found myself in what I seemed a major pivotal battle.
In any other game, that would have been one of the key moments, but in BG3 it was just one of the consequences of my decisions. I thought of all the multitude of ways the battle would have been different or even avoided all-together.
Knowing that my choices mattered and that the game wasn’t going to hold my hand to ensure everything was “exiting” or “the best path” was one of the best moments I’ve had in gaming.
This point came for me when I talked with my friends and realized we all experienced completely different experiences.
One of my friends infiltrated the goblin camp and killed the leaders to save the Grove.
Me? I freed the goblin in the Grove, had then take me to the goblin camp where I talked my way into agreeing to help the goblins attack the Grove, then went to the Grove and told everyone the goblins were coming and set up traps to blow up most of the goblin army before a huge battle occurred.
The goblin camp went hostile at that point so I culled the whole place.
@@RavenGlenn i talked an ogre into thinking goblin meat was far and away more tasty than human meat took his warhorn and bluffed my way into their stronghold. And then called them, resulting in a pitched 7 on 70 battle.
my brother keeps coming in and telling me how ‘spider man should’ve won’ and coming up with excuses, which he did 2 minutes ago causing me to search for this video to send to him so thanks
Spider man wasn't a bad game, just not compared to Baldur's gate 3
Yes. I absolutely adore bg3 but you shouldn't put down another game just because fanboys hurt your feelings. Spiderman is a great sit down and enjoy the story type game. The combat was also satisfying to watch. I really recommend both games for everyone to try.
They're both great games but at the end of the day Baldur's Gate 3 simply went above and beyond and I'm happy to still enjoy both of them
I don’t play Baldurs Gate 3 but if people enjoy it that’s cool. Everyone has their own preferences. Fanboys can’t fathom people liking things they don’t.
then dont say the game suck if you havent tried it lmao
The problem is you think you Hate BG3 the problem your not seeing is it's not that bad at all. My point It took me 10 times to get pass the First zone because I don't like these type of Games after I went pass the First zone I made to the second zone 3 times notice I said I dislike these types of game and made mistakes along the way then I made it to the 3rd zone twice & finish it once and now working to play it through again. You can see why it deserves Goty because Players who may never played this type of Game can. That is the point People are missing it's So Good you forget how much you may not like the Type of Game it is. In the End You can do anything in Anyway to get to the End of the Game an in No way does the Game say No you can't and Sorry there is a lot of Games including Spiderman that could learn from this.
@@mattstansbeary3068 What?
@@NkenKenY he didnt say it sucked, tf are you on about lol
Listen I was completely blown away when I pulled some stupid shit no sane game designer would let me get away with and it actually working in game, sometimes even triggering a secret dialogue. I absolutely loved Baldur's Gate 3
Its amazing to see how many things you can do in Baldur's gate 3 in only one mission, some of them (like poisoning punch) i didn't even think about, probably because most of the game don't give you such freedom, but this type of thing are rooted in Larian Studios, you have a lot of freedom in their game, all of them are more or less milestones
The Spiderman 2 fans' attitude towards BG3 is an example of fanboy extremism. They can't see beyond because they're narrow-minded.
Larian deserves the success and they absolutely deserve my money. I don't like the idea of giving this much money for a game, it's just me, but i will feel ashamed if i got it for free. As a gamer i will give my financial support for Larian to incentivize more games like this.
Play it your way is a plague on modern gaming the idea of literally changing genres to appease some people sounds like hell
I just learned of this drama hours ago and am loving it. It's even funnier since it wouldn't have even been 2nd place Alex Wake would have taken it next due to being so artsy and the liberal voters love that.
Most people will like a genuine artistic achievement, the movies that you are talking about are the "trying to be artsy" stuff that pretty much only appeals to that brand of leftist who wears their fandom of such things as an accessory.
The pseudo-intellectual who wants really badly to seem far more intelligent than he is.
“I want to play action based TTRPGs like DnD but no turns. Instead of turns, we all just yell out our actions as loud and as fast as we can”
We want it to be line DnD, but at the club with hot people 😂
You can never please everyone and nothing proves this true than the gaming industry.
Most of the people complaining about BG3's win are streamers who are angry because turn-based combat doesn't fit into their style of fast-paced monetizable content. They don't care about the goodness of a game, just that it's monetizable.
These Spiderman fans are the same guys that probably said "Yakuza like a dragon ruined the series" back when it came out, i don't get people's problems with turn based,if its not your cup of tea, dont hate, just move and dont play it
Also last I checked Spider-Man 2 didn't have developers shitting themselves over raising the bar with gaming standards
They barely raised the bar from the first game, let alone gaming in general.
@@jthen8454 exactly
“Why can’t it be real time?”
“If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bike”
The average impression of a console gamer - a dribbling Caveman making grunting noises whilst hitting their controller with a club 😂
BG3 and Elden Ring both are games worthy of GOTY, and both get far to much hate by fake gamers.
"The clown mask is for overly sensitive folks" says the one overly sensitive about the fact bg3 is turn based and won goty lmao
Spiderman was the equivilent of a themepark rollercoaster. It had a few high moments but once it was over you were left thinking did i stand in that line for an hour just for this. Its about time something outside the consistent mediocrity of modern game development took a risk and got noticed for it.
The funniest thing is you could argue spiderman wasn't even in the top 5 games released in 2023
That same mission at the Goblin Camp in Act 1 of BG3, I brought along Sazza to passively get through the gate, stealthily picked off the goblins one by one, and Killed one of the major bosses in that quest by destroying the wooden bridge below her (Minthara, the Drow in the deepest part of the interior camp.) Other players discovered that you could befriend the same Drow (by siding with the villains) and she could join your party and was then a fully ROMANCEABLE CHARACTER.
This is one of my most favorite games to date because it redefined the structure and possibilities of rpg despite being turn-based and stayed remarkably true to the mechanics of DnD.
I hope turn based never goes away
It won't. The most successful franchise ever is turn based (Pokémon), even if it is not that great in those specific games, turn based is just the best way to do some things, like complex simultaneous interactions and coordinating specific action sequences between multiple characters.
In a turn based game the devs are able to know exactly what the player is capable of from any position at any time and account accordingly. Real time combat can be extremely dynamic but the devs need to limit player abilities in order to account for available possibilities
honestly, playing bg3 really showed me the absolute scale of it and playing it is so different than just. SEEING IT and hearing people talk about it. i already thought bg3 was great, but actually experiencing it myself made it one of my favorites. The replayability of it is so strong, and the amount of content and possibilities in the game is honestly overwhelming (in a good way.) its so clear why it won all of the awards that it did, its so satisfying to play and can appeal to people even if they dont like the combat style. I think its really good letting the player learn the mechanics. its really rewarding and gratifying when you get to understanding it, but of course its not for everyone. And I fell in love with the story and its characters way more than I ever thought. Like it does such a good job at actually making you care about whats happening, and thinking how you react in and out of combat.
I think spiderman fans just see bg3 winning as an insult towards the spiderman game but like. it had no chance against any of the other nominees 😭 but that doesnt make spiderman a BAD game.
Asking "Why not use real time combat?"is like asking a group playing D&D why they don't just LARP instead...
Like, yea, they COULD do that but the experience is WILDLY different in a lot of ways