Elden Ring Director Defends the Difficulty, the "Souls Games Need an Easy Mode" Crowd Gets Mad
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro/Context
4:42 - “No easy mode is lazy”
7:19 - “They need to appeal to a wider audience”
7:40 - “High difficulty is bad game design”
8:52 - Sponsor plug
9:16 - “Elden Ring has no story”
9:39 - Weird take about difficulty mods
10:46 - “People only like Souls games because they wanna brag”
13:54 - “Miyazaki doesn’t play his own games”
14:42 - “No achievements” for some reason
15:02 - “Miyazaki has terrible perspective” - เกม
I always make the argument that removing the difficulty from Souls games is like removing the scary parts of a horror game.
True these are my favorite games nowadays and if it wasn’t for seeing them constantly in boss ranking videos it wouldn’t have had the reputation that attracted me when I got burnt out on BRs and FPS games. Currently being humbled by a DLC boss who is VERY quick
People actually asked to deactivate the tyrant in re2 remake, You know the thing that generates tension and make you retreat.
@@Moxiemax511moon knight?
Nobody is saying remove the difficulty. But alot wanna experience the game at like a GOW level difficulty. So they could easily make the default difficulty the normal and easy be GOW level fifficulty
Removing the challenge/difficulty from a Souls genre game is like removing the turn based mechanic from the Worms turn based artillery game series. Worms is built around the players not being able to attack all at once, having to take turns controlling one of their worms at a time, and those turns ending when a weapon is fired. The game would turn into a weapon spam fest if the game was just turned into a real time one, as the turn based mechanic is a core part of the foundation.
Casuals: "I keep mashing the buttons but I am not winning. Add easy mode."
Goes from boss to boss barley levels themselves or their gear gets mad when they barely hurt the boss.
They literally spam panic roll and wonder why they're getting hit
@@mightguy3118 I remember when my ex tried Dark Souls 3. She told me killing Gundyr is impossible after few tries. I asked:
Why did you die?
He is too strong.
No, why did you die?
I couldn't roll away.
Why is that?
I had no stamina.
What did I tell you about stamina?
Don't panic roll nor attack until I am out of stamina.
There is your problem.
It took her like 45 minutes to beat him but she felt so accomplished. She beat Vordt on her second try. She doesn't remember Vordt but she remembers Iudex Gundyr to this day.
Meager flames all of them, unworthy of the throne.
Saw a streamer on tiktok running into those hand creatures at the beach of the blue flower area 😂 he died 3 times then started complaining about the hands so i commented too him "use fire they are weak too fire" continued to spam his moon greatsword 😂
I remember when my ex tried Dark Souls 3, non-gamer. She told me killing Gundyr is impossible after few tries. I asked:
Why did you die?
He is too strong.
No, why did you die?
I couldn't roll away.
Why is that?
I had no stamina.
What did I tell you about stamina?
Don't panic roll nor attack until I am out of stamina.
There is your problem.
It took her like 45 minutes to beat him but she felt so accomplished. She beat Vordt on her second try. She doesn't remember Vordt but she remembers Iudex Gundyr to this day.
brilliant teacher
Needs difficulty slider ❌
Needs patient and stubborn player with advice ✅
DS3 was my first souls after a friend finally convinced after 5 years 😂 she did good! I start at midnight release and didn't beat him until damn near 5 am 😂 it was turning blue outside! Never got that feeling and I've been addict ever since. I enjoy the diffulty and I can't wait to get molly wopped in the the new dlc 😂
That's a nice anecdote, but it doesn't change that I'm finding the games much less fun than earlier ones. There's something off about most enemy and boss designs ever since ER. I feel it's designed around ashes and shields, something that's not going to be in everyone's build, or simply not fun or satisfying for a lot of people to use (ashes). The open world is not that good even first time through, and kills my desire to replay. Combined with no boss refight option means I don't want to touch ER or sote again.
@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS That's a nice ancedote.
I've always lived by a simple saying "Anyone can get into gaming, but not every game should be made for everyone. We don't expect it of music, art or movies so why do some people think video games should be any different".
It has been expected of movies and of music. The short answer is money and control.
Agreed. It's impossible to make something for everyone. You can't make a movie that's scary and non horror at the same time for example. No game should be for EVERYONE. It's not even possible
My favorite is when they justify the addition of easy modes with "it will increase sales and bring more people into the fanbase!".
Yeah, no. We lament all the time how corporate games publishers water down a game's identity for "broader appeal". A game that tries to appeal to everybody will end up being played by nobody. Not every piece of art has to be made accessible for every person. If something's not your cup of tea, find something that is.
@@qu1253 It's so stupid for them to buy a game famous for difficulty then say they want an easy mode 💀
That is why genre exist
Those kind of people who like paticular genre but play something they hate and complaints.
Its like they listen to classic music and didnt like it, so you demand to arrange it into pop music
One of the people I enjoy talking to about Elden Ring the most, because he loves soulslike games, plays with his mouth. Yes, he literally plays with his mouth using a QuadStick. His nickname is BigMouthDylan. He can not use his hands and he's on a wheelchair. He can only barely move one or two fingers so he has switches for those. He is better than 99% of the people who play these games and the only type of accessibility he wants is the type of accessibility PlayStation doesn't offer.
"People who need accessibility" my balls. You just want an easier game.
Preach it.
Yo props to him. But can you dive in deeper to how he plays? If you and he don’t mind cause I would love to learn how he’s mastering this game
@@kiranikib42try googling QuadStick after I read the post, thr thing looks insanly cool and it's nice knowing there's people making games accessible to people who can't even use their limbs.
@@kiranikib42 just search on youtube theres a lot of disabled players playing with any part of their body they can
So.. that's what that mouth do.. 😂
FromSoft doesn’t make “Souls-likes” they makes Souls games. All other developers of the genre make “Souls-likes.”
this
More like soul-less games, amirite? 😂
Unfortunately, that's not true anymore. Ever since BB, all they did was just making pathetic copycats of the 3 good games that made them their name: DS, DS1 and DS2.
@@AikanaroSauron you obviously got stuck on Nameless... or Friede, or Midir or Gael. One of them gotcha and it’s been endless salt ever since lol.
@@skipjacks85 As always with the likes of you, the only way you can damage control out of anybody criticizing something that you blindly adore is resorting to "hurr durr u prob stuck on something, idk what tho". I bet you were pissing boiling water about all the fanservice in DS3 too, LMAO. That is assuming that somebody like you even played DS2, let alone DS1, which is a huge assumption for such a kid like you.
Sit down and keep shut.
A game for everyone is a game for no one
This
Exactly
💯
This is why no one plays checkers.
Thing is anybody can play Eldin ring. There's so much overpowered shit in the game and you can create one shot builds. People can't not level their character and refuse to learn enemies pattern and just panic roll then complain the game is too hard 🤷
Int + faith + death magic + onion rings = easy mode
But that requires WOOOOOORK I wanna just flip a switch and everything be made easy.
Make sure you DO NOT forgot dipping sauces for those onion rings
@@prismriot4910 The onion rings are not for me (too greasy). They are for the Godskin nobles. They can bring their own sauce.
Just use spirit ashes. Mimic Tear Was literally meant to be Elden Lord, just help mimic bro reach that goal lol.
@@TheRealJohnux Yeah... but Rollo is more fun to watch.
There is an easy mode. Spirit ashes. Hell even after it was nerfed if you find the mimic tear you've basically beaten the game as long as you don't suck too much.
Black knife tiche is even more overpowered than the nerfed mimic
Or literally just grind a bit
Give the Mimic takers flame attack, and it will keep healing throughout the fight it's still incredibly broken
You can buff summons in the DLC too lmao there's no excuse.
Lmao word biggest handicap ever offered in a souls game. These new players should fell lucky.
When a disabled gamer which can't use his hands and plays only with his feet, can play and beat Sekiro, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXCUSE THAT YOU NEED AN EASY MODE! The real barrier of the fromsoftware games is having a little bit of PATIENCE, which a lot of gamers don't have.
Also slowing down and actually exploring the map also helps there’s plenty of builds spirits and upgrades that’ll make bosses way easier all you have to do is explore the map and take time to level your character. The issue is some people don’t wanna do that and would rather just flip a switch and the game be easier.
That and I saw some chick play Sekiro with a dance pad!! No excuse you are right
@@senatorarmstrong4662 I spent 20 hours in limgrave before I fought Margit on my first playthrough. He wasn't hard by that point.
@@dylancole3430 for real I heard horror stories about the Radahn boss fight but by the time I had gotten to him I had spent several hours exploring both limgrave and the Liurnia of the Lakes region. So i had barely any trouble fighting him. I also had done side quests for gear and explored dungeons and churches to upgrade my flasks so I had plenty of levels by the time I reached him.
Oh shut the hell up. I had a stroke and my motor skills are way off. Just because one person can play the game with their feet doesn't I can play it with my hands.
That argument just insults every disabled person.
My poor steam deck has basically been my Elden ring machine for 2 years. I’m hoping the hotfix is out soon.
People don’t understand the feeling you get from successfully beating a boss after dying 90 times. Feels good man.
Does it run good on steam deck? I’m thinking about getting it on steam
Deck as well
@@LucciClubStudios Not OP, but it runs at ~30-40fps for me at lowest settings. I've put down the DLC until a patch comes out. The games hard enough without the frame rate wobbling up an down every second.
I thought elden ring came out just last year but apparently not 💀💀
not everyone agrees, and that's ok
I, for one, feel like dying to a boss 90 times is frustrating. them finally dying is not satisfying knowing I'm gonna have to do it again with the next boss.
a one-off boss, I can agree upon. but not EVERY boss. that does not feel good, imo. if I wanted that level of rage, I'd go play PvP in Destiny 2
not that satisfying after realizing how many hours I lost because of that.
Anyone asking for the game to be easier just needs to accept that these games aren’t for them.
Facts 😂 they wanna hang with the big boys but can't do big boy things 😂
These bad dodging, under leveled, maidenless haters refuse to raise their skill, and it's crazy
They just want movie games
They are weak.
@@youngc570 they're as strong as the guy that dropped his switch on his steam deck
@@meatpie7166 yes bro, they want an elden ring game made by supermassive or telltale
Idk I never got good at these games but tend to plat and beat them. Just play it how it’s meant….with community
Also i hate how often those demanding the difficulty settings use those with disabilities and such as a shield to try and make them change things or to hide behind if called out.
If a person can beat a soulsborne game with his feet, then you don’t have an excuse.
They like hiding behind accessibility options as well. They might be related but they aren’t the same. It annoys me when they do this.
The answer to disabilities: rebind the keys.
@Allustar you're confusing 2 different things. Souls players beat their meat to people's feet. They don't beat the game with their feet.
@@TheJohhnyEboth actually
"Easy Mode" is already in the game, use (the good) Spirit Ashes, Level Vigor to 60, use the Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman, eat some Boiled Crab, use the Crimson Seed Talisman, don't wear any gear that lowers your defensive values like Negation or Vigor, wear the lightest set you can that gives you 51 Poise and level Endurance until you can Light Roll, the Great Jar's Arsenal and Erdtree's Favor can help you out with that, use smaller weapons with Status Effects like an Antspur Rapier or Scavenger's Curved Sword, get a Cold Weapon with the Chilling Mist Ash of War, you get the point by now.
People want to mash buttons to win, not to read tips during loading screens nor use their brain.
@michaelbowman6684 my vigor is only 40 and I’ve been surviving decently so far. My dex was 60 so I’m making sure to put my stats into more vigor once I reach 80. Between all my flasks, talismans, and actually using great rune activation for the first time there’s a good deal of flexibility for most builds.
@@cynreiusacari3163 You must be really good at dodging perfectly. Because the damage late game enemies do is insane 😭
@@mightguy3118 far from good, I use a shield (beast crest in base swapped to wolf in the dlc it’s +14 to offset stamina drain) have 30 endurance. I do have a green turtle talisman but rolling and waiting for it to regen has helped if I don’t get greedy. Trying to dual wield a bit more to get familiar with its limits and expectations. You got this!
@@cynreiusacari3163 Ohh a shield that makes more sense because I'd definitely suggest 60 vigor to an average player for late game. I beat the game with 60 vigor. Even with 60 vigor I felt like I was still getting damn near 2-3 shot when I did get hit
I love it that they stay faithful to their core identity and customers, games that want to reach wider audiences often do this by gradually censoring, altering/hosing down gradually the game; removing all the elements that made it so special in the first place.
Sad but true. Gaming industry is often evolving backwards. Lie Far Cry series.
Ah yes they are not submitting to people who support DEI
it took me almost 6 hours to beat Mohg in order to access the dlc (solo, no summons/mimic tear), and the level of satisfaction I felt afterwards cannot be compared. Miyazaki is right, the hit of dopamine you get after overcoming a difficult challenge will always be superior to breezing through a game with little to no issue.
Miyazaki mastered this. NIOH 2 and ninja Gaiden games are my favorites but team ninjas design choices hurt them because they won't to break your will on boss 1 and weed out weaker players early where as fromsoft like to build your confidence and hook you in then kick your a$$ lol.
That was me the first time I beat the orphan of Kos.
@iaqh you play trash games made for babies and casuals.
I beat him my first try on my first play through but hot dang did the fire giant absolutely wreck me. I love the satisfaction too and the game is really fair there are tools to get around tough bosses in every fromsoft title
It hits different when games don't hand you victory for free, right?
I'm not good with Souls games, but damn, that Miyazaki quote makes me want to get Elden Ring for the support.
@JustinB6699 I never considered myself good at Fromsoft games, I have always loved the lore videos and decided to give it a try May 23rd. If you decide to give it a shot I can recommend a great walkthrough creator that doesn’t spoil anything. He made it with the intention to finish most if not all npc quest lines in one playthrough. It’s easier than I expected and I’m looking forward to playing the rest of the catalog once I finish.
based miyazaki
💯
Gigachad Miyazaki
"My company has made seven successful games in 15 years. You are not our audience. Make friends with the door."
My niece saw me play Tekken, she wanted to join. I explained how the game works, let her play, she was winning by mashing buttons, then she wanted to play against me. Suddenly she was upset she is not winning. She was convincing to let her win, after a while I let her win, she was happy. I told her to play again and I let her win again and again. After a while she was bored and she didn't want to play anymore. I was asking her why? What is wrong because she is winning.
Hollow victory means nothing, playing games with cheats is boring. If you download easy mod for Elden Ring, congratulation, you are winner, you are THE Elden Lord. Really.
All the elden ring difficulty haters have toddler brain
Yeah that works except if your getting instantly smacked upon entering the arena your not gonna wanna keep playing either
These lames are from the participation trophy generation
if you can see rainbowcolored flags in their profile you already know they are just NPCs riding a hate wave xD
😂😂😂
There are no good reasons for adding an easy mode into souls-likes.
add difficulty settings and the magic of the game dies
The game would die
This games entire mo is the difficulty
If you learn the game look around you can either can get destroyed or destroy the game
I love how this game wants you improve its not agents it wants you to win but you have to earn that win
Right, this isn't Bethesda 😂
i bet these are the same people that look up the puzzles in zelda games
There's this comedy video that I think explains "git gud" perfectly. There's no single weapon that's gonna one shot bosses and there's no armor that's gonna make you take no damage. You just have to practice and "git gud"
there is an easy mode, it's called fine tuning your build, which is also the fun part ngl
Beating a though boss when you first find them (especially if you're underleveled) is unmatched, but coming back to a boss that you once struggled with and then melting them with your new toys is pretty great too >:)
great. now if only that didn't require either 40+ hours of mindless grinding and/or searching for the right gear (assuming you even know the gear exists to begin with)
oh wait, that's not the issue. the issue is that the reaction windows to avoid attacks are unforgiving, and no amount of grinding will fix that
It has flaws/ if we don’t admit it your a dbsg.
oh great, it's Armored Core 6 bs all over again.
@@dragonriderabens9761grinding takes minutes 🫶 the windows are plenty forgiven with summons 🫶 hope this helps (get good)
One of the BEST gatekeepers! Lol these mfs who hop on every trend getting shut down is incredible that’s what they get 🤡
Buying eldin ring and complaining about difficulty is like buying call of duty when you don't like FPS games. I can understand saying a FEW bosses in the game have one bs move or combo but to say rank down the games difficulty?
“Miyazaki doesn’t play his own games!”
He went on record saying he’s absolutely dogshit at Elden Ring.
What an absolute chad
I just wished fromsoft would fix how the camera works. I’m not sure if they need an fov slider but once any enemy is flying above me it’s over I can’t see anything. Or like divine beast where he just puts you in a corner and does his beyblade move you can’t see anything. The bosses aren’t too bad for me but the camera angle is my main boss.
I've never tried a FromSoftware game before, but if a game is a "hand the victory to me in a silver platter" level of easy, like Crystal Dynamics' Rise of the Tomb Raider, then it's absolutely soul suckingly boring
People have two colossal swords, they start panicking when the boss doesn’t stagger after the second jump attack. So that means bosses are unfair!
I say no to difficulty settings in souls style games. The "easy" mode in these games comes from summoning phantoms. The very easy mode in Elden Ring comes from summon mimic tear or Blackknife Tiche, and then going ham with a big bonk. That is the beauty of these games, you can make them as hard or as easy as you want.
With that said I am not against balance patches to fine tune the difficulty. Difficulty should be progressional and if something is overtuned early in the game compared to things after it, then it needs to be addressed. The hardcore souls fans take offense to this and I have no idea why. Some sort of badge of honor just gets taken away the moment a balance patch hits.
The only issue I have with the souls community is if you beat the game in a certain way some people act like you didn’t really beat the game. Like me personally when I saw the executioners sword I instantly wanted to make a build centered around it after months of searching for items, spells and physics I finally got it to where I absolutely melt bosses. And I wanted everyone to know about this build imagine my shock when I started hearing wow he needed a op build to beat the game.
@@senatorarmstrong4662serves you right for not doing a no hit ng+7 run with your hands tied behind your back while being pepper sprayed every 15 min.
Git gud casul
@@senatorarmstrong4662HOW DARE YOU BEAT THE GAME WITH IN GAME TOOLS THE GAME PROVIDED YOU. You're not a real souls fan. Shame on you!
@@senatorarmstrong4662 When someone starts adding meaningless qualifiers to in-game accomplishments like that ("but did you use spirit ashes?" "but did you use magic?" "but did you use X, Y, or Z weapon that I don't approve of?"), I just ignore them. If other people want to challenge themselves by banning certain tools, that's fine, but that just isn't my cup of tea.
@@qu1253 for me when it comes to souls I go by the rule if it’s in the game why not use it? As long as you beat the game that’s what matters.
There is already a mod for that, sheesh. Chances of someone making a easy mod is a lot higher than FromSoft adding easy mode
There is an easy mode mod. It's comments section is full of losers asking for it to be even easier.
@@AdmarilDarius Lmao
You can literally run ahead and sneak better items and spells, then nuke everything on the map. There’s actual guides on how to do this. The game is as hard or easy as your build and items allow, and you can get some of the best stuff barely killing anything. I take the moderate approach. I farm low levels to level up, then slightly outpace the next few bosses by enough to compensate for a bad mistake or 2.
That’s the thing the game becomes very easy if you explore the maps take time to level and keep up with your gear. But nope some people would rather just flip a switch and the game becomes easier. My first souls game was bloodborne and you best believe I thought just killing a few enemies and barley exploring would be enough but I absolutely got destroyed by the cleric beast and and the hunter at the end of the first area practically danced on my grave. Several times I dropped the game saying it’s the game not me. Eventually I left the bosses and actually explored the area got better gear and leveled and learned the bosses and I was shocked how easy they become.
fr I knew I was op when I beat renalla first try cause I had explored caelid first
But that would require them to use 2 whole brain cells, and the only 2 they have are at war trying to keep them conscious every day.
That's what people don't seem to understand. Souls games are not difficult, they are tough but fair. There are games with unreasonable difficulty, but Souls games aren't it.
Souls games are definitely difficult lmao, but you are right about it being tough but fair
I agree, most fromsoftware games only need Patience and commitment. The only one that requires some level of skill was Sekiro and even a disabled person was able to beat it with his BARE feet.
If you keep up with your gear and take time to level up your stats the game can be really fair. But I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen people complain about the game and I see their stats and gear are extremely under leveled.
Eeeeehhh. They have some pretty unfair parts. Granted most examples are early in their lifetime so…
There's nothing fair about ranged enemy's beaming you perfectly from 3 football fields away.. but it is definitely a souls game ha
I remember playing Elden Ring for the first time. It was amazing experience, but the truly fulfilling playthrough was at SL15 with no upgrades. It forced me to use every available tool at my disposal and it was glorious.
So you have no life understood sir but some of us have to work 😂
Through my own experience through the DLC, there IS an Elden Ring easy mode literally available to everyone. It's called Magic, Greatshield, Mimic Tear. Block everything, Dump damage with your twin, boss melts. Will take you from 80 attempts to 8 real quick.
Difficulty gates are totally valid gates. Some people just don't like other people having fun that they themselves aren't able to have, so they whine because they feel excluded and it's not fair WAH. But Miyazaki is right, the achievement from beating a hard boss is a feeling like no other and cheapening that so "everyone can ride" would be a disservice to that experience. I saw a video where a dude beat Melania with no hits with poke attacks and no dodging. There's no way he did that in one try, but he did it eventually and it was awesome. These people that don't make or play games need to stop being such whiny busybodies.
At the end of the day, it's Miyazaki's game and artistic choice is also a valid answer and I'm glad he's not the type to let fragile egos move him.
I love how only no challenge and exceedingly challenging exists for people, as opposed to reasonably hard like every other game in Soulsborne
Problem is they add "easy mode" options with things like summons yet still design the game around using these options which means sometimes means there is some random goofy difficulty spikes or objectively cheap things like absurd button reading. Many of these things are surmountable by alot of players but it doesnt make it not poor design. It is his choice as if he wants to add difficulty options but if done correctly with good effort and thought it does nothing but let more people experience the game. I think the unified experience is also much less of a thing in elden ring already because of the wide variety of what levels u can approach content and how all over the place weapon and spell strengths are.
Difficulty settings =/= accessibility. A game can be difficult while still being accessible to anyone. Why people still use them together is beyond me
I blame Jim Sterling ever since he tried saying that they all started saying it. But I’m disabled and my reaction time is very slow and I’ve still beaten every souls game including bloodborne and sekiro. But I won’t lie it took A-LOT of trail and error fume knight and kos gave me ptsd.
The challenge is fundamentally built into the game. I suck at games, I play every game on normal. I bounced off of souls games many times and thought they were too hard for me. Then one day it clicked and I started to learn what the game was asking of me. Beating my first souls boss was so gratifying because I knew I did it. It wasn’t the game coming down to my level, it was me overcoming the challenges before me. I’m in love with these games now and I wouldn’t be here if there was as easy mode. An easy mode would’ve of robbed me of that experience and I’m sure many others can relate.
The funny thing with elden ring... is that a lot of its players actually hold themselves back from summoning, using ashes or certain weapons... If anything the game is so easy that the players are refusing to use certain tools and are imposing extra challenge on themselves. But I wanna ask... would halving Malenia's HP and damage save you from some of her attacks if you can't dodge them in the first place? How would they make the crucible knights easier? half their health? their damage? would you make the AI less aggressive? The difficulty with them is their moveset and that annoying af tail swing after certain attacks so simply tweaking numbers wouldnt do much. It would take a metric fuck ton of work to create a difficulty option because they would have to tweak a LOT of numbers and try to change things that change the way things behave.
"Complains about difficulty in Fromsofrware games"
Ah, classic, a tradition, who could have guess? No?
Yes its difficult, yes its supposed to be. the DLC is balanced around max level players with all powers weapons and potential stats.
Could you imagine how much trouble it would be to add more enemies to all the places in the game world based on the difficulty the player chooses. Plus situations in the game are handcrafted meticulously, the difficulty of encounters are set up intentionally based on enemy types, number of enemies and position of enemies especially in relativity to one another is important. If you add more enemies because of a higher difficulty or remove enemies based on a lower difficulty it changes the experience and challenge that was intended. Ambushes for example only work the first time you play the game and never again. Once you experience that you will always know where they are. Other encounters are only a problem until you figure out how to avoid getting ganged up on while simultaneously learning where your opportunities to attack are.
Keep the difficulty 🔥🔥🔥
Fromsoft games are for their devoted fans not one and some players who can't be bothered to play the game
"There are many ways to make the game easier without modding it but i dont want to do that so the game is designed poorly" is a hilarious take. These people are unhinged
They don’t need any easy mode but they need a way not to lock yourself out of fucking NPC quests and not even realize it till it’s way too late.
It's not the difficulty that's the issue. It's the mechanics that are not on par. Poor camera can't track appropriately and other technical issues.
😂 says the 1% like you bytching. Git gud. Probably got shyt internet.
I'm gonna be honest because some people are deliberately obtuse about it: Elden Ring is DkS2 with an open world and far more artificial difficulty than any other souls game. Its unironically the most hated souls game but with an open world, and people can't separate their fan status from the fact that elden ring is a downgrade from souls 3 in terms of combat design and boss fights. I've played every souls game, bb, sekiro, the new ac, and elden ring. I beat all of them and got all achievements in all of them. Elden Ring has more artificial difficulty than any of those games. AC has input reading just like Elden Ring and just like Elden Ring you can abuse the AI because its actually very stupid. If you defend bad design like input reading and other cheap garbage you're gonna get more of it.
Elden is easy compared to the 1st 3 souls games. DS3 was the easiest to me and even that seem harder to me than elden ring. This game has mad handicaps to help you from SS to crafting. This is the ez mode part of the game lol.
I bet the FromSoft team can’t even be excited during the release of their Souls games because they know there will be a deluge of “it’s too hard” shit during the first weeks after launch
"if souls games were easy people would definitely not rate them so highly"
For me this is actually true. If the game was easier I would lose interest in the gameplay. The gameplay works because of the challenge, it's what makes it more engaging. A game like Super Meat Boy would be a whole lot worse if it had only easy levels. Pushing the game's design to the limit is what creates that difficulty and usually when things are pushed to an extreme you get to witness the best the game has to offer.
I agree, the combat style of soulsborne feels very fluid as a whole, but what really pushes it over that edge is the difficulty. So when you try a boss 20 times and kill it on attempt 21, you don’t feel like you got some super saiyan power up, you feel like you went ultra instinct and just used what you already had before in a much more skillful way. It makes the approach feel like you’re mastering a martial art rather than just overpowering the enemy.
i killed the first dlc boss first try actually. + I like how cheeky and op some enemies are. They always make me question my build's strength when I'm unlucky
is it the black gaol knight or someone else?
The difficulty is part of the artistic vision. When fromsoft drops everyone stops what they're doing to participate in a crucibal of equal suffering and triumph. It also builds the confidence of players who would otherwise default to easy mode if given the option. Seen a compilation of gamer girls who doubted themselves beat sekiro and were brought to tears because they thought they couldn't do it. You can tell how meaningful it was for them and now they are addicted to the challenge. Easy mode would have robbed them of that experience. If you aren't ready to suffer then you aren't ready for a souls game. Play LITERALLY anything else.
No need for accessibility. The world, the items, the clues throughout the world can make life easier for the player. I cleared the game using the opposite of my build needs by accident.
Dex/INT/Faith (was the build)
STR/DEX/Vigor (i went with).
Not Elden or Souls, but I accidentally made similar mistake on one of my Grim Dawn playthrough. Basically I somehow made my mage a berserker.
Elden Ring gives the player a metric ton of options. It's your own fault for not using them.
Exactly. The Game has an easy mode already. People choose not to use it lmao.
Using summoning ashes makes the game easier. The game gives you options if you want to make the game easy or harder for yourself.
@@roninswiftballExactly. The options are there. They just want an easy way of toggling easy mode lol they would have to put in the work of gathering spirit ashes. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen get destroyed by the Tree Sentinel and just quit rather than avoiding him and coming back when they are stronger.
Crafting has to be one of the most underrated tools in elden ring. The amount of players I see say "I don't mess with crafting" 😅 then you like dying fool.
I don't understand why people need the satisfaction of criticism for a game they're never going to enjoy. Isn't it easier to just not talk about things you don't like? It would save a lot of time.
If you want an easier game just play an easier game, is that simple 💀 like why tf do people get so mad that the game is hard, if you don’t like it you could be playing any other game, but yet you choose to continue wasting time on a game that you don’t enjoy? Some people are just straight up stupid
They feel left out. Quite understandable. It's like having a movie that literally everyone in your circle is talking but you are not into the genre and can't sit through.
@@shrekkek9396 yeah… but if they really wanted to they can just try to improve at the game, instead of getting angry at everyone
Its like going to a painter and saying
"but why isnt your painting a sculpture, i like sculptures. You should make your painting a sculpture"
"Im a painter, i make paintings not scultpures"
"Oh well thats because you hate people that like sculptures, you should make your painting more accessible to people who like scupltures because thats what i like"
"You could just go see some sculptures then"
"Fuck you"
He’s right, if you really think while playing it, the game literally builds the game based on the difficulty, a easy mode would destroy the entire structure. Adding more health or increasing damage is just gonna make you tank bosses to death, the game is designed so you’re supposed to dodge. Making bosses slower would make them unable to stay close to the player, ruining their moves. The best part of elden ring is that you feel like your skill is earned, and you get a taste of how hard it would actually be for a lowly tarnished to beat demigods.
so the easy mode argument is, if a giant swings a building at me i should nt feel the impact. is this how casuals see these souls games?
Protect Miyazaki people, he is one of the good ones
Mfers still asking for a difficulty slider when four separate difficulty sliders already exist: summoning players/npcs, using spirit ashes, using strong builds, and finally skibidi fragments. They literally added a new mechanic to ease difficulty. I swear, you could have a setting that turns off all enemy AI and people would still find a way to complain its too hard.
From Software could become the ultimate troll... just add a game journo difficulty option that skips straight from the start screen to the credits.
Fromsoft games are insanely easy. There are dozens of ways to make the game easier for yourself. Summons. Cooperative play. Leveling up. Learning enemy patterns. Finding exploits for boss fights or other mechanics. Picking up a secondary play style alongside your primary. Using consumables. The list is vast. Most “difficulty” in these games typically just stems from players being too stubborn to do one or all of these things. Leveling up a bunch tends to solve most of my problems in the game. Or, upgrading gear. Or using consumables and ranged attacks. I don’t often summon in these games,but since trying a Pure Mage build in Elden Ring (first time I ever tried such a build) meant that I was also reliant on summoning quite a lot so that I could get spells off.
The DLC has reaffirmed my need to summon since my actual damage output was nerfed into the ground and I am back to only being able taking 1 hit from most enemies despite having 40 vigor. The summons became necessary for me to use again… and, the more I explore, the more powerful I’m getting again… so I am less reliant on summons.
But, there are dozens of options for reducing difficulty. Which is why these games are some of the easiest I’ve ever played. And, no, I do not try to skill my way through them. I just use every mechanic and feature the game tells me about. I die most often to falling in these games. And, honestly, that’s all I would change about them. Can we please have less “die from falling” nonsense in these games? I am rather tired, bored, and annoyed at having to navigate so many narrow and precarious edges. These are the least interesting and fun parts of these games.
Ok but bosses like Commander Gaius are literally impossible
We said the same about nameless king and midir 😂 get over it and git gud or get off.
Miyazaki has talked about breaking controllers over his own difficult encounters. So no, he does play his own games and still wants to make them harder. Don’t know what that guy is talking about.
Never mind the fact I’ve gotten through most of dlc with a character that doesn’t even have maxed out weapons. Something like that would get me screwed in earlier games dlcs (not to mention those who’ve done it no hit with a broken ladel at ng+7 lvl 1). That’s like crying over a workout regimen being too hard when you’ve only done the warmup.
I will never forget my first playthrough when I played dark souls 1 for the first time and beat it. Took me a year but I refused to put the game down and let it defeat me. Best experience I've ever had in gaming and with this elden ring dlc I am feeling that same feeling of overcoming what seems like impossible obstacles. The dopamine is worth it.
Its something i've said for years, these games just don't work on lower difficulties. Just run through Undead Burg in the original Dark Souls with a high level, then its just a bunch of mobs which stand around waiting to be downed, enemy placement then doesn't matter anymore. It would be very boring if the entire game would be like this. The difficulty also helps with immersion, when you have to consistently pay attention, then you are "in the game" if you know what i mean. Also the people who demand lower diffiiculty settings were not interested in these games in the first place and are salty because they are FOMO addicts and can't play this popular thing a lot of people like because its too hard for them.
Difficulty is a non-issue. I love playing difficult games especially Fromsoftware titles, however, there is a point where hard becomes unfun and unsatisfying when accomplished. There is a few bosses in the dlc that just feel straight up unfair and not fun to fight against. Even after beating them, it didn't feel good, and i was still pissed off. The souls like games have always had the idea of being hard, but fair, and there is several instances in the dlc where it crosses that line by a large margin.
Boss spoilers ahead:
Messmer is an example of a hard but fair boss fight. His moves come out eratically, but visually you can see them and learn them to overcome it. Bosses like commander gaius charging you right off the rip trapping you in a wall or being way to wonky to dodge is an example of not fun. Bayle is similar in this regard, but to a lesser extent i feel.
The final boss' (i wont name him because i know folks will click read more after the stated spoiler and still complain about the spoiler) 2nd phase is just complete and utter bs. The screen is so overloaded with white light it makes the moves near impossible to even see therefore unable to learn them. The clone attacks come out far to fast encouraging a more blocking playstyle instead of dodging which limits build potential. The massive aoe attacks that will catch you in a roll nearly every time, and the constant aggression leaves very little openings for you to attack. Its a very unfun fight.
The camera is the biggest issue with most of the bosses. Locking on is almost a death sentence for every boss do to how much they cram you in to corners, fly around, or their model being so large that your camera is forced in to a perspective straight up your own ass meaning you can not see the dangers that are on the ground. Fighting without camera lock is the way to go for most bosses in the dlc.
4:42 - That's like suggesting removing all the body horror from The Thing (1982) so that squeamish people can enjoy it too. Even if they did end up enjoying the resulting movie, it would no longer be Carpenter's creation, his vision. Elder Ring was made with a specific vision for a specific audience. Artistic intent is _not_ crap.
One of the things I don’t see people talk about enough is how fromsoft games get you better at playing other games. They are like the kettlebell swings of games.
The quest mechanics DEFINITELY need a whole lotr of work. It sucks on your first play through you miss so much storyline and then you gotta be overly focused not to do anything to mess up the next one. Like taking one step too far, it's bs.
Omg, you actually need to try to do quests, never happened in a souls game.
So I got the DLC and when I started game shadows started flickering even in base game. After I did everything I could the problem is still there. So what I did is uninstall DLC only having Base game and it works just fine. So I haven't been able to try it out
For those laughing and saying why does it matter when others cry, cry and cry some more on a single player game….. - because they end up NERF’ing it and it effects everyone, esp those who actually want the challenge and even more of a challenge. Common sense
Arent there those items that increase your stats? Im at +11 just killed the dragon and got so so so close beating mes well im on ng+ but im loving some of these fights
Camera could be its own boss
casuals got filtered by the tutorial boss in armored core 6. That is how bad they are.
Elden Ring literally so easy if you let it be
My buddy gave up multiple times when we first started playing last year(easily hates any sort of difficulty) now refuses to play anything else because he loves the gratification of beating these bosses. It took us literally 6 hours to beat a beefed up rellana and we refind our technique and beat her. I had fun the whole time.
I never play single player games but this is an exception. I can play for hours then group with my friends to help them out. Very well thought RPG. Wish they told the story better but this community has the best lore teller in history so they don't even need to honestly lol
The thing people don’t realize it that, one the tough difficulty harkens back to older games that actually require “git gud”, no one complained about og super Mario for not having an easy mode
Also the fact the difficulty reflect the world these games are set, and series that is heavily influenced by berserk it’s reinforced, slapping an easy mode would feel getting back to an bonfire less stress full and not at all satisfying,
And accessibility does Not mean easy mode
loosing runes on death? sonic.
cryptic quests without any markers or questions log? play final fantasy 1 and tell me where the questlog is.
enemies able to one-shot you? super Mario had only such enemies.
and yet, nobody is complaining about those games.
it's almost like it aint about the difficulty but hurt pride and bragging rights for those ppl.
@@aurumvale9908 seems that way 😅
We all know to expect a wave of articles and tweets talking about the difficulty, everytime there's a new FromSoft game, and I'm not just talking about Souls-Like games from FromSoft, cause we had this discourse when Armored Core 6 came out.
But I think one thing we haven't caught on to is there is always a Souls-like content creator, who is always somewhat respected within the Souls community, that inevitability ends up asking "Have they gone too far with the difficulty?", which of course, after a few months, the answer is always revealed to be "No".
So I wonder which sonewhat respected Souls content creator will have a bad day and end up asking this?
As someone who tasted ds2 as the first game when i was grade 8... Weak
It's simple if you think souls games need difficulty options, then souls games are not for you.
100%
Why? I never came here for the difficulty.
And there isnt any other game that plays like Elden Ring.
Tbf I work 40+ hours a week and have 2 kids so I don’t get as much time for gaming as I used to so I’m not ashamed to say I use easy difficulty on some games just so I can get through them and move onto another one. The exception is Fromsoft games. I know they’re going to be hard but that’s the thrill for me and also why I take forever to beat them. I still haven’t beaten Elden Ring lol, but I have platinumed BB, DS3, and Sekiro and enjoyed every minute of suffering because when I finally beat them I felt like a god for a brief second and am genuinely proud that I did it on the games terms, not my own and I still came out ahead
As soon as you let go of the blind frustration of struggling against a boss. And actually learn to time your rolls properly, the bosses start to get easier. I think people are so used to steam rolling the main game that they can’t handle not being the same way in the DLC.
People said the same thing about The Old Hunters DLC in Bloodborne so the DLC difficulty is nothing new.
9:23 there’s a cutscene that explains everything in the beginning of the game
That makes no sense
Is that so surprising from the people who want game developers to treat them like idiots?
Skumnut is a crazy streamer finishing the game with various hard challenges. Like enemies moving at 400% speed or finishing with 1 HP, 1 stam and 1 FP. He has great content.
Souls games have intrinsic difficulty settings instead of extrinsic ones. You don't choose a difficulty the beginning but by the way you approach the game. You can approach all enemies and bosses underlevelled, with bad weapons and without support or you can level up, get better gear and use NPC/ashes summons or any combination thereof. Like using only certain summons, or only summoning for certain parts of the battle. That's your "difficulty level". The game still requires the player to show a modicum of investment and competence, but if they can't even be arsed to deliver that, why did they buy the game at all?
Elden ring is my first from soft game and I just played it for the first time a few days ago. I'm 15 hours in and yes the game is not easy but it's difficulty is overstated by all those who are maidenless
People who say Elden Ring has no story are not to be respected. They are either lying or so willfully blind they might as well be with the depth of dishonesty required for such clear deception.
if you did not find out what elden ring's story is about all by yourself and watch it on youtube then shut your dirty mouth
Everyone wants to be included in everything for essentially clout or popularity or FOMO and I hate it. There are so many video games out there literally just play those, everyone knows this studio makes hard games, don’t buy a hard game and complain it’s too hard.
Elden Ring has an Easy Mode, it's called Mimic Tear. Alternatively, any other niche Spirit ash summon.
Crowd needs to GTFO
Are these zoomers discovering a popular game that is challenging? I thought we already went through this BS.
Having no pause button is pretty fucking stupid
10:03 my favorite broken cheese strat in ER is what I called “the Cheese Wheel” lol
Dosent need an easy mode but turn down the damage recieved or make me do more. 2 hits is all I can take at 60 vigor. My damage output is a joke ended up switching to a bleed build.
Yeah the hp really is ridiculous. Every boss is beefier than fire giant. Bleed builds don't care about hp so I used that but it really does suck that every other build is trash
@@Marika_ER i was faith beforehand but it just wasn't doing it for me ended up using rvb and nagikaba and mohgs spear only way for me not to get deleted.
The logic of
“I want an easy mode for Elden Ring 😭😭😭” is just like saying…..
“I want a less demons mode in Doom.”
“I want a less scary mode that makes the monster look like SpongeBob in Horror games.”
“I want an open world game without the open world.”
How many more of these👆🏻can we make?
This is what you get when someone who is not a game designer or a game programmer or even software programmer talks about programming. They come up with a criticism of some programming concept in some other game that they're disparaging, but somehow this same criticism doesn't apply to the game they're defending.
Case in point: "a lot of difficulty settings are just increase the amount of health the enemy has or increase the number of enemies there are, but adding difficulty to a souls-like game is more complicated because souls-like game are just inherently more deep in the combat than a lot of other genres are."
What does that defence of souls-like games even mean? The difficulty of souls-like games is all about numbers: I-frames, damage output, damage taken, parry windows, defence stats. If it wasn't, it wouldn't need be an RPG. RPG difficulty is always a numbers game, souls-like games do nothing special here, and this applies to From Software games too, because wouldn't you know it, there are trainers for those games, and all they do is tweak numbers to make them easier. Souls-like games aren't special pieces of software that somehow transcend game programming, just by virtue of being souls-like games.
Also, jump to the defence of the game director's statement about "breaking the game", but failing to realise that the game director didn't elaborate on how it would break the game. He should've just stated that he didn't want to and leave it at that, that would've been a more 'Chad statement' than trying justify it with an ambiguous consequence that could mean anything and nothing.
Well, outside of the final boss, on NG7 every enemy is completely manageable. The last boss though? Definitely needs to be looked at